Supplements in Modern Medicine: Blending Nutrients & Technology with Dr. Yoshi Rahm

Dr. Mindy Pelz
On this episode of the Resetter podcast, I bring you one of my favorite doctors, Doctor Yoshi Ram. So I'm gonna read a little bit about Doctor Yoshi here in a moment. But those of you who have been following my podcast for some time, you have heard me talk about this miraculous iv treatment called Eboo. And if you listen to the episode with Leann Rimes, we talked about how deeply Eboo helped her on her healing journey. And I've been sending many of the patients I work with to Doctor Yoshi, and the results have been incredible.

So my original intention was to bring him on to share with you all what Eboo is. And since that invitation, I asked him what he felt about just doing a general podcast on supplements, and he was game. And I think this is one of the best episodes that I have ever done on supplementation. Because supplements are confusing, right? Like, how do you know if you're getting a clean supplement?

How do you know? Should you take a capsule or a tablet? Or how do you know? Do you do a suppository, a spray, an iv? Like, if you're like me, even confused as to what is the best supplementation path for you, or in my case, what is the best one for my patients?

And I know we have a lot of doctors that listen to this podcast. You are about to get a masterclass on supplements. And Doctor Yoshi has such a beautiful way around explaining, he has such a huge heart. And he and I really both agree that supplements should supplement a healthy lifestyle. You can't supplement your way to good health if your lifestyle is trash.

We talk about that. And he even took it a step further and said, make sure you are doing these things in your lifestyle. All of them, he said, are free before you supplement. And then we go into how do you navigate a tablet, a capsule, an iv, a suppository? How do you know how to find a supplement that is right for you?

And then, of course, we finish up the discussion, the back half of the discussion on Ebu ozone therapy and methylene blue. It is such a comprehensive discussion on supplementation that I really, really hope is going to help you make an educated decision for you. Let me give you a little bit of a simple explanation of who Doctor Yoshi is. He is a board certified osteopathic family physician with a separate board certification in integrative and holistic medicine. What I find really fascinating about him is that he grew up in a small town in northern California.

He grew up without electricity, a tv, a phone. I mean, he's my age, so this is a pretty unique upbringing. But from that, he really appreciated the simple things that give us health, like the sun and the earth and human connection. So he has a clinic in Glendale, California. Those of you that are looking for an integrative doctor to go to, this is my go to.

So this is the one I recommend you call. You see, he also has an online presence and a course that he teaches online that he talks about in this episode@dryoshi.com. dot so it is with great pleasure and a full heart that I bring you an incredible conversation on healing and supplementation with Doctor Yoshi Ram. Enjoy. Welcome to the Resetter podcast.

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Yeah, let me start Doctor Yoshi, by welcoming you to the resetter podcast. Thank you for joining me here. Thank you so much. Super honored to be with you. Now, for everyone else, Doctor Yoshi's clinic is called Oasis family medicine.

And this is the Eboo Master. We have been talking about eboo on this podcast. So I have to start off by thanking you for that because that has been, Eboo has been a game changer, game changer for so many people. So appreciate that you are offering that. Yeah, it's an exciting modality for sure.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
It's not the whole picture, but it is a potential game changer when there's a nice baseline to hold it up. Yeah, agreed, agreed. You know, integrative medicine has changed dramatically in the last ten years. And our appreciation for things like supplements and IV's have dramatically changed. So one of the criticisms that I see with integrative medicine, and one of the criticisms not just from other doctors, but also from patients, is the overuse of supplementation.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
And I think the supplement world is a wild, wild west world. And I personally, I don't think I ever told you this, that there was a time period I thought, I can't find a good supplement. I'm going to create my own supplement. And so I started to search for products that I could blend together that were free of heavy metals, that hadn't had been sprayed with pesticides, that were food based, they weren't synthetic, and that was really hard to find. And I finally, at that moment, was like, oh, that's not my field.

The only way I would go into the supplement business would be if I could create it from scratch where I was actually growing the ingredients. So I understand how dirty supplements can be. I understand how people use supplements and they don't know why they're just using them. And I also know that people can spend a lot of money on iv drips same way, and still have no formula or ethos in which to use those supplements. So how about ice?

We start off with where do you see supplements in somebody's healing journey. Yeah. Especially in this world that we're in, like you alluded to. And there's been a few studies and I'm going to get the percentages off a little bit here. But, like, how many of over the counter nutraceuticals supplements actually have as much of the ingredient in them as they say or do it even?

Dr. Yoshi Ram
And then how many are just completely adulterated and it's somewhere like 30% to 40% depending on which source you're looking at, of over the counter nutraceuticals have that issue. So a, it's like, be really careful once you do to find a good quality source. And then, but wait, before you move on to that, how do you find that good quality source? Because I've had a lot of people ask me that. Yeah, there are these kind of, these doctor product lines and there's a number of them now.

I think one of the first ones was metagenics. Right. And there's pure encapsulations and there's the designs for health and, and there's a lot of other ones now as well, a lot of good quality ones. And so you just really want to get tapped into that world. There are a lot of choices now.

But if you're just talking about going to Vaughn's or Rite Aid or something and picking up the over the counter or buying on Amazon, you know, you run into the risk of getting those adulterated products. Yeah. And by, and just so we fill everybody in by doctor products, you mean you can only have a doctor's license to buy it. And those brands are the brands that typically are better than what you can get on Amazon. Or like you said in the, and.

It'S because they're putting that extra, like, they cost a little bit more, but they're using that extra cost. Right. To put the efforts into getting cleaner products. So true. Which at the end of the day, that's like, if you're going to pay for something, you got to have it be quality.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
That's right. Yeah, that's right. And then the other thing is I used to see people come in to me to begin with and they would literally bring in their bag of medications with 10, 15, 20 medications. And then for a while I got into the trap of, okay, here's your 10, 15, 20 supplement bottle. Yes.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
Oh, my God, I'm guilty of that. Over a time period now, I've gone away from that because I don't want to. It's like supplements can still be a band aid approach. They can still cover up a deeper lying issue. Yeah.

Now, we also live in a severely toxic world. Yes, we do. And our detoxification pathways are not what they need to be usually to live in the world that we live in. We don't live in cave woman times where the earth was pristine and we're chemical free. Where, I mean, you walk outside, well, you walk inside your house, and it's like you're bombarded by thousands of chemicals in the air.

Same when you walk outside. Right. And so it's like every breath we take, we are taking in toxins. And so I do believe that there is a space for nutraceuticals and supplements and vitamins and herbs. The question is, how do we, how do we tailor that?

How do we make it a really personalized experience so that you're taking maybe the top one or two or three or, you know, depending where you are at in life. I mean, if you're, if you're pretty healthy, maybe it's only one or two or three. If you're going through a situation, there might be a time period where we have you on more products to begin with, but the goal should be to get off of those products, use the lifestyle. Right. Like getting.

I mean, you know as well as anybody about proper food. Right. Timing, quality, quantity, the awareness around it. Yep. And then you just kind of go through the sleeping, the moving.

Right. The. The photobiomodulation. Right. There's all these devices out there.

We'll walk outside. There's this thing in the sky that glows. That is our. That is our photobiomodulation device. Yes.

Right. It even goes red. It even goes red in the morning and it goes red at night. Right. When we need it, right?

Dr. Mindy Pelz
That's right. It's amazing. And then it's like EMF. We're bombarded by these EMF. Well, go outside.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
Take your shoes off and ground. Right. Electrical discharge within seconds. Like immediately. Right.

Breathing the air right below our nose. It's free. And there's different ways of breathing to affect different changes. Whether you're going for more of a sympathetic parasympathetic oxygen or CO2. Right.

That's a whole podcast in and of itself. And then you get into connection and community and spirituality and something grander and just awareness, like having awareness. So few people have awareness, but it's like when you eat something, right. Your state of awareness, your happiness levels. Like, that's just as important, as far as I can tell, as what you're eating.

And so there's so much there. Yeah. I'm so happy you said that because that is one thing that I've been, is sort of, I call it an elevation of the conversation I've been having with my following about food has been, we put so much effort into, am I eating the right food? Did I get the right macro? You know, and it's like, become diet.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
The diet culture is so rigid, but nobody ever says, like, who am I eating with? Am I sitting in a relaxed state? And eating like the environment matters as much as actual food. So I'm so happy you brought that up. And I also want to point out, I love that we're starting this discussion with some simple things.

You can do that. When you look at supplements, I see people that are not sleeping, they're not getting outside, they're not walking, they're not grounding. There's so many things they're not doing. And then they're spending thousands of dollars on supplements, hoping that supplement is going to bring them back into balance. So I love what you just ran through because that was a beautiful explanation of, are you doing those things first?

And then now the supplement may have a chance of actually helping heal you. Yeah, so true. So, okay, so if you are already got your lifestyle dialed in, like, where do you go from there? Like, are there certain supplements that you're like, hey, these are musts for everybody? You know, I'm going to diverge a little bit from what most of my colleagues might say.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
Like, most are going to say, you're omegas, your vitamin D. I think you ought to test those levels first. Ooh. Okay. I really do like, objective data speaks volumes.

Otherwise, it's just a blanket statement. And so there's all these. You go on YouTube and Instagram and there's these, like, here's my, here I'm a famous person with my top list of supplements. And it's like, those are really good as a general advice. Right.

But again, how do we, how do we tailor? How do we personalize? And that's where objective data beats wins every time. Because I'll tell you, when I was swimming outside three days a week for like, a few years, my vitamin D without supplementation got up to 98. Oh, wow.

Now that is, I mean, like, holy cow. I don't even like when people supplement with vitamin D for it to be up at 98. What's the upper end that you'd want to see? Yeah. For me, I like vitamin D levels.

If someone's supplementing to be like 40 to 60, unless we're in a cancer situation, or a really severe autoimmune situation. Should I have been taking vitamin D at the time? Absolutely not. Right. Too much of anything is toxic.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Yes. That goes for oxygen. It goes for water. I mean, you drink ten gallons of water right now, or even just a gallon like that, and you're gonna get some real imbalances. And so everything is a poison or a medicine in, and it all depends on dosing.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
And same with omegas. I do see some people who actually, just through diet, have beautiful omega levels. So why are you gonna go out and take a supplement, spend that money, swallow the big horse pill? Right. So I really, it's, it, for me, it's objective data.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
So the omega thing is really interesting, and you and I haven't discussed this, but it's a good discussion to have. There's a balance. There's omega three, six and nine balance that needs to happen. And one of the things I've heard some omega fatty acid experts say is that if you are eating a diet that has brought the harmful omega six s down. So this is like your standard western american diet.

If you're not eating those harmful oils where your omega six is really, really high, then supplementing with an omega three, if you have a clean diet by itself. Yeah, exactly. Tips the three six nine scale. Yeah. So all the studies ever done on omega three fatty acids, how important they are, are only really that beneficial if you're eating a toxic diet.

But once you clean that up, you need a supplement that's omega 369 balanced, not omega three by itself. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's, it's, we can look at these levels in isolation and say, okay, here's a reference range. Oh, here's the functional medicine reference range. Yeah.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
But it's also about ratios, as, as you just stated, so. Completely agree. Completely. I used to, in my clinic, the first thing I did is take everybody off their omega three s because I was like, we're going to change your diet. We're going to work on getting that down naturally.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
And now if you're mega dosing Omega three s, we've thrown the whole system off. That was like, literally the first thing I took away. So, yeah, I love it. That's how I think I want to establish a baseline, an objective baseline of where someone's really at and then go through the lifestyle modifications and then kind of get a new baseline. Right.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
And it's not about making everything perfect. Like, we live busy, hectic, chaotic lives. I mean, you can't get an a in every lifestyle category, right? Or very few people can. It's not realistic to expect that.

But it's like, okay, what are the levers that can make the most difference? And let's try to get b's, b pluses in all categories. And then a few a's and maybe even an a or two in each in a couple of categories. And then get the new baseline and then you can supplement. Right?

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Is there a test you like that is an accurate test? Because I've had a lot of people say, well, the tests are not accurate. So I used metabolomics for a while. So I don't know if there's a test that you like that will give you a good reading. So interesting.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
Like the Dunedin pace of aging. That's an interesting test out there as like a one marker. Where are you? How fast are you aging? What rate are you aging at?

Are you aging at ten months for every calendar year? Are you aging at 14 months for every calendar year? But that doesn't give you like, oh, you're low on this or high on this or toxic on that, right? And so that's where there are a lot of tests coming out. Iolo, like, they test hundreds of these biomarkers.

And the metabolomics, like, I like that test. I think there's, you know, hormone testing, right? It's like there's different labs have different capabilities. And when one lab starts testing everything, their accuracy might not be totally true. Right.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
And that is a really interesting way to look at. Are you gonna test urine? Are you gonna test blood? Are you gonna test saliva? How accurate are all of these things?

Dr. Yoshi Ram
And this is like, I don't know is the answer. Because I'm like literally learning that every week I learned something else, right. About how to test better. And so I think it's just do the best we know how right now, knowing that something better is going to come along. And I try to stay abreast of what's better.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Yeah, I love that. And that gives you some wiggle room. Because I used to always say, like, I'd get so excited about one functional test and then I'd roll it out to my patients. And then something else would come around and I'd be like, oh, no, this is better. And you start to like, look like you're contradicting yourself.

But like you said, something new is coming out all the time. So what's the difference? So I get my lifestyle based down. I'm testing so that I know what supplements I might need off my current situation. What do we know is the difference between, like a capsule, a suppository, a spray up your nose, in your eye, like our friend John Laurence likes to do, like, he'll go for every orifice.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
Yes. Like, you know, is. And then there's iv. Is there a difference in all of those ways of getting these nutrients into you? Yeah, boy, that's.

Those are rabbit holes. A rabbit hole down each orifice. Orifice holes. So, supplements, when you take something orally, it's. The question is, you might be putting the right thing in your mouth.

The question is, how are you absorbing it? How well are you absorbing it? Right. And so that goes for food too. You might be eating the most pristine food, but how much of it are you absorbing?

Is the question. How's your stomach acid? How's your gut microbiome? Right? Yep.

And so in someone who is like, I'll kind of just segue real quickly into the iv's, because in someone who, their gut is not optimized yet, like, there's a huge kind of hole that could be at least temporarily filled with doing iv's. Right. Because when you put something in an iv, it's straight into the blood and it's like 100%, or nearly 100% bioavailable right away. Versus when you put something, a capsule or a tablet in your mouth, you just don't know how much of that is being absorbed. Right.

I mean, there's some crummy, crappy quality pills that like, actually come out in some people's stool. Right. And that says a lot about their, the lack of good digestion, maybe also a little about the quality of the tablet as well. But those are, or what I was going to say also, when somebody's detoxification pathways need to be amped up, that's another great space for the iv's, I find. Or just in general, when somebody's going through an acute issue or a more.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Severe chronic issue, would you say then if you're like the average, you're listening to this podcast and you're really trying to make smart supplement decisions, that it may be as simple. And I know there's a lot, I want to simplify the healing process, so that's a very difficult thing to do. But if I know I've been on rounds of antibiotics, if I know I've been on birth control for decades, if I bloat every time I eat vegetables and I don't have a bowel movement every day, I have like some real clear signs that my digestion is off, then maybe the door, in, no pun intended, for me, with supplements would be a suppository, or maybe it would be an iv. Like, can people make an educated decision just by looking at their history of what might have happened in their microbiome to dissever decide that? Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
And also part of that is it's like this vicious cycle. And so if you can get really quality nutrients into your system easily, then it can kind of help cut that cycle, and then it makes healing even easier to all of those symptoms that you just described. And when you do a suppository, rectally or vaginally, like that mucosa, that. That skin. It's skin on the inside of our bodies.

That mucosa absorbs nutrients exquisitely. Yes. And so. And that's really the truth of any orifice. It just tends to absorb.

It's like a transdermal absorption, and it absorbs very well. And almost always, if it's something that will dissolve it, it's actually better absorbed than something taken orally. Right now, something. So oral would be your last choice. Yeah.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Yeah, me too. Again, depending on the situation. I don't want to over generalize, but. I've really come to that conclusion, too. And I've been taking supplements since I was a kid in my house growing up, so we had electricity.

I love that you didn't have electricity, but I was also raised by a health freak and who didn't bring any sugar into the house. We didn't have any plastics. Like, there was she, my mom was like a warrior there. And every morning we would get to the breakfast table, and there was a customized pack of supplements at each one of our spots at the table. And so I was just part of.

Supplements were just what I took my whole life. And I've come to a place now where I am, and I'm like, I prefer a suppository. I prefer a spray, or I prefer an iv. I still take the other supplements, but that would. I feel the most immediate difference with those things.

And they're easier to do than to remember to keep taking supplements all day. Yeah, I agreed. And, you know, there is some patient education. Some people don't want to do it those ways. Right.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
And so there's like, okay, let's. There is some education that needs to be had around that, but I think it's a huge opportunity for people to really get what they need to the source. From the source to where they need it. Yeah. With IV's, we see this huge iv culture.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
I feel like we've gone from really resisting IV's or you only could get an iv if you went to a doctor like you. And now we have franchises, you know, all over the country. Here in America, we have a worldwide audience. And, I mean, even in Europe, it's easy to get IV's. Like, it is so easy to get an iv.

So one of my questions is, what do we need to know about IV's? You know, I have, when I look at an iv, I see a plastic bag, and I wonder, is there plastic in that? I also wonder, when you're forcing that many nutrients into your body that quickly, can your body absorb it? Like, literally, when I go and get an iv outside of your guys place, if I go get them other places, I'm like, give me the kitchen sink. Like, put everything in it.

And then, and then there's this little voice in the back of my head that's like, but wait, can your body, can the innate intelligence of the body handle all this that you're shoving in? So is, what are some things we need to know about IV's so we can make smart choices? Yeah, I think it's a, you know, for a while, I, like, we do a lot of cool, different sort of IV's in our office. So I would not shut down our iv's but our iv room. But for a while, I kind of considered, like, am I, am I doing people a service?

Dr. Yoshi Ram
Am I giving them expensive urine? Yes. Right, right. Like, that's. That was a huge question of mine.

And yet, when it. So, first of all, a lot of places do offer just watered down iv's. Like, it's mostly just water with, like, a little bit of this and a little bit of that because ingredients cost a lot. And so most franchise iv places really are just watered down now. They're still.

Maybe I'm not, like, bad mouthing. There's still a place for that. But you do want to go somewhere where they, like, are gonna put enough in. Because when somebody is sick, acutely sick, like, getting large doses turns people around. I mean, you have somebody, you know, who has, is going through something that looks like the flu or Covid or whatever kind of infectious disease you want to call it, you can come in, get it, and get an iv, and they walk out feeling so much better.

Well, that says something. And, I mean, this is not, like, a placebo effect. You can. Sometimes it's a placebo effect, but you can tell, like, people are coming in like that and they walk out feeling better. Or we'll have people go through, like, a series of ozone, um, who are just having these chronic autoimmune flare ups.

And it's like they walk out and they do better. Their objective, their biomarkers, their blood tests are better. And so it's like, we know. We know for a fact that these iv's are doing something and that there is a place. One thing I wish we did, I wish people knew more about doing iv's, like, pre surgery and post surgery.

Like, that's a huge, like, I w. That's another. But that's one of those areas where I wish all surgery centers would just give patients, like, iv's afterwards. So all of our patients at Oasis family medicine, like, I'm encouraging them to do one or two before surgery just to, like, plump, plump themselves up. Even if they're peeing out the excess, it's like, at least fill up those.

Those holes, those deficiencies. So smart, because it's going to make that surgery, which is a trauma, a physical trauma, even though it's maybe necessary at times, it's still a physical trauma. And so if we can, like, get that body ready to. Able to better handle that trauma, great. And then after they've had the trauma, like, when our bodies are under stress, we use up nutrients a lot quicker, we use up our magnesium quicker, we use up our b vitamins quicker.

And so it's after this surgery where people really do so they, they heal so much better. If they do maybe, say, three iv's, I mean, it could be more, maybe it's less depending on the severity of the surgery. But people who do iv's who have come into our office and do a series of iv's after a surgery, they're. They come back and their surgeons always say, oh, wow, you're healing really quickly again. That tells you something like, it's not just expensive urine.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Right? Is there just a general for post surgery and pre surgery, you just, like, get everything. The. All the minerals, all the vitamins. It's kind of the kitchen sink.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
I mean, the minerals and the vitamins. Right? Yeah, yeah. Kitchen sink. Because I'm not.

There's not time to, like, test, get the objective data right and just put in the ones that are needed. Right. We want. We just. We want to throw the kitchen.

That's a time to throw the kitchen sink at someone. Yeah. There was something you said that made me. I think this is a really interesting point. When we take, whether it's a capsule, a suppository, an ivy, I always tell people, you should notice a difference when you take a supplement, if you don't notice a difference, like more energy, even if it's a negative thing, you should notice something that indicates to you you just took that supplement.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
And if you don't, there's a large chance that you might not need that supplement, whether it's an iv or a capsule. So would you agree with that? Almost always, like, as a categorical statement? I would absolutely agree with that because I. And so many patients, they, they want a protocol, right?

Dr. Yoshi Ram
Tell me the protocol. Just tell me the protocol. And I'm like, try this and see and take note. Become aware. Yes.

Like your body will tell. Yeah, like, chap it. Like you. Okay. You would bring up a really good point.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Like, I think that's left over from the medication world. You know, think about what happens when you walk into a doctor's office and they say you have x, y and z, and you go, great, you know what I have? What should I do? And they say, here's the medication you should take. And so we just take the prescription, we go, we take the medication, but we've outsourced the healing process to the doctor and to the medication, so we have no internal guidance to tell us, you know, if that was the right thing for us.

We just cross our fingers that our symptoms go away. But what you're saying is take it and then check in. Yeah. And you touched on a huge thing there that you just mentioned. It's like, do what the doctor says.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
The doctor is God type of mentality. And, you know, I'm a doctor, I've went through a lot of schooling, I've done a lot of conferences, paid a lot of money to go to these conferences and to learn. And I know a lot, but my job is to be a teacher and to help someone weigh the pros and the cons. And honestly, I think of myself more as a healer. And with that, I think, comes with hopefully teaching the person to become their own healer.

And that awareness is everything. The more we can get people to become aware of that supplement or aware before they take a bite of food or aware before they go to sleep or that first thought when they wake up is actual awareness. I mean, our healing potential is exquisite. Yes, it is. Yes, it is.

And so to take away some of that, like, I mean, all the doctors I know have gone into it for the right reason. Yes, right. But we're taught that we know best. Write that 30 day prescription with eleven refills. Come see me in a year and then I'm going to write it again at plus eleven refills.

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And if you feel moved, donations would be incredible. I had a mentor once tell me that your goal is to educate the patient so much that they no longer need you. Yes. And I always kept that in my mind. I still, in everything I do, even in my online world, is how do you keep empowering people and empowering people to heal themselves so they don't need you?

I think that that is a complete flip on the system that is like, you need me because I have the best education. I have a tool that only certain people can prescribe for you. It's a total flip on that. And there's a lot of information coming at us these days. Like, information.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
There's no shortage of information. Right? And so I think where I'll just speak for myself, where I'm able to help my patients is like, I've listened to so much information, I've learned so much information, and so I can help. I am best equipped to help that person kind of distill what is good for them. But again, ultimately, it's like, how do we teach them to become aware so they can become exactly what you just said, their own healers.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
And I think that's the kind of conversation people can go into when they're looking for doctors like you who have clinics that I think it's a good thing that, like, is this person teaching me or is this person just handing me supplements even in the natural world, like, handing me supplements or handing me medications? So let's. I want to move to because I want to leave plenty of time for my new favorite one, which is I want to go through Eboo, and I want to go through methylene blue and then a little bit into ozone and just a little backstory so that people understand. Why I'm so excited about Eboo is that for years, I did supplements that helped detox. I mean, my clinic, like, half of the clinic, what we were doing is detox.

And detox is not pretty always, but the end result is pretty phenomenal. And we did specifically heavy metal detoxing. So one of the ways that I found Doctor Yoshi was I was blessed to work with Leann Rhimes. And she's come on my podcast twice now and explained the most recent, talked about Eboo. And we put her through all the supplements.

I put her through all the heavy metal supplements. And it was oak. It worked, but it was rough. And that was hard for somebody who's turing to the degree she's touring. She also had, her Epstein Barr virus had just kicked in, and fatigue was huge.

So I told her, hey, how about we try this thing called eboo? And it has been a game changer. That and methylene blue, just total game changer for her health. So with that in mind, help us understand. And I know every time I come into your office, I'm like, tell me again what this is doing, because everybody I send to you all, even the most difficult cases start to improve, and it's phenomenal.

So what is eboo? All right, so first of all, the people you are sending to us are doing so much first. That's right. Yeah. And so I don't want to put out, like, to people.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
Oh, if you're not doing the things or at least working on the things, don't come, just do Eboo for the heck of it. That's right. If you're a biohacker, if you're like healthy and just want kind of the anti aging effects, like, yeah, you come do it. But if you're going through a health situation, make sure you're doing the things. Make sure you're working with someone, whether it's us or you or some other health kind of provider, just to make sure you're doing those things.

And then Eboo can come into the discussion. So that's why it's been so effective for your, for the people you've sent to us. And I think before I get to ebu, I'll kind of touch on ozone because of this stepwise fashion. Ozone is, a lot of people know the ozone layer, ozone to measure smog. That's kind of like saying a fireman is bad because they're always at the fire.

Ozone is there to actually mop up the smog. And ozone, let me make clear, we do not have a deficiency of ozone in our body. So this is something that we can add and use as a therapeutic modality when the time is right now, always with everything, it's like, what are the potential pros? What are the potential cons? And with ozone, when done well, like there's very little potential cons.

It's all potential pros. And that's why it's such this exquisite therapy that's been around for half a century, but kind of more in Europe and hasn't really made its way over into the US until maybe the last 1020 years, much more so. And you can go all the way from things that are very mildly ozone therapy. Kind of like ozonated olive oil. Right.

Topically for something. You can do some limb bagging with ozone for ulcers that are not healing or infections of the skin that are not healing. You can do ozone in the ears, which is great for ear infections. I mean, takes away great for sinus issues. You can do rectal ozone or vaginal ozone.

And then it's kind of stepwise up the ladder. You can do iv ozone like mah, major autohemotherapy where you take out a little bit of blood, put it in a bag, squirt a little ozone in that bag, mix it up and it drips back into you. And that's a fantastic therapy. Mah is what that's called for short. And then there's tin pass.

Ozone and tin pass is a little bit more intense, a great therapy. But then there's a step above that is, or I consider it a step above that is ebu, which stands for extracorporeal. That means outside of the body, oxygenation and ozonation. And I consider this, I call it the creme de la creme of ozone therapy. And it has this ability.

Well, before I talk about ozone, I just kind of ozone in general, it does a lot of things in the body, but I like to think of it doing three things. One, it lowers unnecessary or undesirable inflammation. And then two, it modulates the immune system. So if someone's a little bit hyper immune autoimmune, it can kind of lower it. And if someone doesn't have enough immune system, it kind of bumps it up.

And then, number three, it creates energy that is ATP in the mitochondria. So it creates energy, literal energy, in our body at the cellular level. And those are kind of the three pillars that I generally think of ozone doing in the body. And so the question becomes, in the right situation, how can we get a really good dose in a really gentle way? And that's what Eboo does.

And it's. We're taking blood through an iv out of one arm and back into another, and it goes through this filter, so you can see your blood outside of the body, and. But then crossing that blood while the blood goes up, the ozone comes in the opposite direction and through that filter. And there's like hundreds of these little straws in there with each of those straws, if you picture them being perforated, so each straw has hundreds of little holes in it. And if you spread that all out on a flat surface, it would be like this blood kind of gently rushing over that surface while the ozone comes on the underside and comes in contact through all of those holes.

And so you get this massive surface area of blood that's constantly just being gently ozonated. And so that's how we do it. That's kind of the process. And. Yeah, where to go from there.

What do you want? Yeah. No, no. You had me like I was. You were.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
It was like you're reading me a bedtime story.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
Let's nerd out. This is what happens when you're like a lover of the human body. So, just so everybody knows, you literally have two iv's, one on one arm, one on the other. Blood is being pulled out, and then it's being recycled and put back in where I got excited about it and I know this is a question everybody wants to know, which is when it's going through this filter, what toxins are being pulled out. Because after doing heavy metal detox and so, and mold detoxes and gut detoxes for so long, I was pretty excited when people were saying a couple sessions of this, and you are really getting rid of a huge toxic load.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Now, I also know you and I have talked quite a bit about this, that we can't make claims that it does heavy metals. We are strongly convinced that it pulls out pathogens. So you know the science better than me, but do we have any idea what it's pulling out? So in the beginning, eboot came on the scene in the US, like four ish years ago. We have done, by the way, we've done.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
I feel like we're coming up probably on 2000 of them, so probably done more than anywhere else in the country. I believe I could be wrong totally fine if I'm wrong on that, but we've done a lot. And in the beginning, it was kind of like, oh, there's tons of toxins coming out of the body because when that blood. So what you're talking about is there's this, like, container, and you end up with fluid and foam at the end, and it's like, that's toxins right there. And in the beginning, that was the belief.

And then I started to kind of question that because I didn't want to overstate what we were doing. Like, I want to be fully transparent. And so for a long time, I was like, I'm not so sure about that. I think so, but I'm not sure. We don't have the testing.

However, over the last year, I would say, and especially more recently, there have been people, doctors, who have cut those filters open and looked at it under the microscope and found parasites, bacteria. So we know that there's. It's like the. The filter is like a velcro attracting those. And there's more evidence that it is definitely pulling out heavy metals, and I'll just say other toxins.

So it is pulling those things out. My question is, and I just. I don't know. And I'll probably know more at some point in time, I hope. How much is it pulling out?

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Yeah. And how significant is that? Because we are also, because we're just like this during an eboo session. It's like we're only covering what's in the blood. We're not covering.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
It's not like it's gonna suck out everything in the tissues, which is where most of our toxins actually are, there's toxins, our body is smart enough to kind of tuck it away so that it's not in our blood because it's trying to protect our brain. Right. We want as few toxins in there as possible. And so that's part of my question. Now, ozone also like speeds up phase one and phase two of liver detoxification process.

So just the ozone itself is actually detoxing aside from whatever's, whatever's being pulled out. And then we also do, like we do, we give people a little bit of hydrogen beforehand via those tablets. We're giving humic acids and fulvic acids before them as well. Those are great at binding toxins. And so if we're, if the ozone is speeding up phase one, phase two of the liver detoxification process, and then we're giving humic acids, fulvic acids to help bind those, it's going to draw out toxins.

Right. Without the side effects, without the unwanted side effects. And then if we're pulling some out and, you know, it's pulling some out. Right. And if you're doing a series of eboos, it's going to be pulling more out.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Right. So, yeah, there's a lot to unpack there. Yeah. Like what if you put a methylator in the, like to, like if it's, if you're trying to get to the stuck toxins and tissues, could you like do a couple of days of a good methylator beforehand and just kind of push it all out? Yeah, I would.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
I would think so. I mean, so we do a pre nutrient iv as well. It has the methylated b, b twelve in there. But I love that having people take some like TMG or betaine choline, like all those methylators would probably be a very good idea. I have recommended that to some people, but it's not like our standard protocol.

But I love the way you're thinking because it makes sense. Yeah. Just to get it out. Now, I will tell you, in the people that I've sent you, there's been a couple patterns that I've seen anything to do with mold seems to work incredibly well. Like people who are in a bad mold situation that is like a game changer.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Epstein Barr virus definitely seemed to do something there. And the most recent, which we can talk about a little more afterwards, but she's been also very public about the work that we're doing together, is Lisa Bilyeu. And I think the last time we did eboo she had a rough go, but we hit a parasite and it came out in her stools. And this was of information I just learned two days ago. And she described to me what was in her stools.

And I'm like, oh, my God, we hit a parasite. The eboo is mobilizing parasites and she has some serious digestive issues. So I do think that there is, like, I look at our toxic bucket. I really like that analogy that you start to get. You've got mold and Candida and lime and parasites and heavy metals and plastics and like, all these things, and people's buckets are so high.

And when you go to eboo, my feeling, and this is the way I explain it, is we start to lower the toxic load. We just don't know how much we're lowering it, but there becomes a point when you lower it enough that the body can take over and it can heal itself. And I think that's why you can get away with like three eboo sessions. And then you start to see all the other things work so much more, more efficiently. Is that what you guys are noticing as well, or am I the.

Is it just in the patients I've sent you? Yeah, no, that's, that's totally true. We, I mean, we've had people come from all over the US for the, especially for the mold and, and lime, for sure. So that, that totally fits your experience. Fits, yeah.

Yeah. So talk about methylene blue. Because when I get eboo, just so I get methylene blue with it. I know you don't do that with everybody, but what is methylene blue by itself is quite a popular iv that everybody's getting. So talk about that.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
Yeah. Where to go with that one? That's a whole podcast, right? Well, just so you know, I did do a whole podcast with John on methylene Blue. Oh, like about a year ago.

So if people go back and listen to doctor John Laurence about methylene blue, because he's brilliant when it comes to methylene blue. Agreed. Do go back and listen to that. Maybe put a link in. We will.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
That's a great idea. We'll put a link in the notes. Yeah. Because methylene blue is just as a little backstory. First drug on patent in the US in like the late 1880s.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
And so again, kind of like ozone. This is not something our body is deficient in. We're not deficient in methylene blue, however, just like ozone. What are the potential pros versus what are the potential cons? And the more I use methylene blue, the more I just, like, fall in love with it as a something that we can exogenous, that we can take to help up level our health.

There is almost like, again, everything in proper dosing. If you're using proper dosing, there's almost no illness side effect from methylene blue. So even though our body's not deficient in it, it is, it's this exquisite medication. And I think of it as a medication. It's over the counter, it can be done orally, liquid suppositories iv.

Right. And methylene blue, it does a lot of things in the body. However, probably one of the kind of what it does or what it's most well known for is it helps the mitochondria and the mitochondria. I'm sure you've talked a lot about the mitochondria, but the mitochondria being the energy producers, the ATP producers in each cell, and that's really our energetic currency of the body. Right.

And so anything we can do to help improve the health of the mitochondria is a good thing. And methylene blue, there's like, there's what's called the electron transport chain in the mitochondria, and the electron transport chain, there's actually multiple areas that can get poisoned or poisoned by too much toxins. And so every. Nobody really has, like, the perfect mitochondria nowadays because we live in the world, we live in the toxic world that we live in. And so I read in one pubmed study, there's like eleven areas in the electron transport chain that can become leaky or produce the reactive oxygen species, which is too much, is bad, basically creates damage at the cellular level.

And the methylene blue can kind of go in and insert itself in a number of different areas of the electron transport chain and make energy production more efficient. It actually creates, it allows for the body to use oxygen more efficiently and then it's actually activated by light. That free photobiomodulation device in the sky, it actually activates and together they actually increase energy, ATP in the body. And that's like, hands down, one of the best things that it does. It does other things too.

And so again, it's like, why would we do it iv to get it fully absorbed quickly. Now, we have both Leanne and I have mentioned a brain, like, and I've had other people say this too, there's sort of a brain brightness that happens when you're. And now our brain probably, if I come to think of it, has a significant amount of mitochondria. So it could just be that you're getting more ATP in the brain, but there is a, you know, I call it, I think I told you this last time I was in there. Like, I call it eboo drunk.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
When I leave and I get my methylene blue with my IBU, I feel like I'm drunk in all the right ways. Like just happy, energized, focused. Like there is just like somebody did something to my body. And what I love about it is it's like it just enhanced what was already there. So do we have any thing on methylene blue that we would know around like serotonin or dopamine?

Like, does it change any neurotransmitters? Yeah, it does. That's one of the, like, if you go, if someone goes and googles like, side effects of methylene blue, you might read about serotonin syndrome because it does upregulate serotonin, which is why you feel better. However, what you'll read is like, oh, methylene blue in too high of doses can be dangerous. Well, the doses that become too dangerous are crazy high.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
So just to give an idea, it's like over 1000 milligrams in a day consistently, and probably more like 4000 milligrams now. Different people will recommend different doses, and I recommend all the way from like 1 mg for some people, maybe upwards of 100 milligrams for some people in different scenarios. So we're talking levels that are way, way, way below that. And you'll read, I've searched myself out of curiosity, and you'll read about, oh, if you're on an antidepressant medication, beware. Totally not true.

Partially, I think because so much of why people are on antidepressants is because of a lack of cellular energy. If our brains are not, if our brains don't have enough ATP, like, I'm going to be foggy, I'm going to be easier depressed our brains. So if you can literally light up the brain with enough energy, oh, I'm going to see things brighter, metaphorically speaking. So I am not worried. Again, I'll go back to the very beginning of the methylene blue discussion.

And the potential downsides outside of doing just crazy, crazy high doses are just so minimal. Yeah, yeah, we've come to, you know, I've come down to like really simple supplements because of doing IBU regularly, methylene blue regularly, the NAD suppositories, like, it's pretty, you know, we've dialed in some of these mitochondrial nutrients or fuel sources that really clean up that system. So, yeah, I would agree with everything you just said. And I think methylene blue, like, some methylene blue tablets or suppositories ought to be in everybody's emergency kits. I mean, because if you have a heart attack, stroke, if you have an infection, like, all of those things, like, it helps.

I actually had Covid like symptoms pretty recently, and I just started pounding methylene blue. And that was orally because it wasn't near the office, and I didn't feel well enough to go into the office, frankly, for an iv. And I turned that thing around, like, 12 hours of fever. And then I was like, I was good after almost immediately. And I know my body and I don't get sick too often, but that was, like, the beginning, typically, historically speaking, that was the beginning of a three to five days where I'm just, like, down for the count.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Right. And yet 12 hours after, I started feeling bad, and that just hit me like a semi truck. 12 hours later, I kind of was shocked. I'm like, am I really feeling this good? Yeah, I am.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
And it's because I was pounding the methylene blue. You know, I gave my literary agent had Covid, and I said, here, you got to order these methylene blue trochees. And she did. And two days later, she's like, I don't know what those magic blue things are that you just gave me, but, like, it's completely gone. So I really agree with that.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Have we seen with long, like, long haulers? Have we seen Eboo at all? Really help with people who've had long haul Covid symptoms? Yeah, just like you were saying, like, how it kind of lights you up, which is what it does for me as well. I find after one of those, I can go on a run, and it's just like I'm flying, basically.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
It's like little wings are helping me along, and so. Yeah, long haul. Long, long haul Covid. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.

Brilliant. Yeah. And I think because that's, like, I don't know. Are you getting more long haul COVID patients? It seems like a lot of people are talking about it still.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Still. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that whole process definitely does a number on many people's physiology. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And it takes.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
It takes a little bit of. It takes a lot of extra special care to bring people back up to where they ought to be. Yeah, yeah. Well, I love this discussion. And I always make sure I make my eboo appointments when I know you're there.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
So you and I can geek out on this stuff. I love that. I just. I'm like, always when you're around, I'm like, there's something in the brain there for me to learn. What can I ask him?

What can I ask him? And vice versa. Thank you. And I love when I go in there, I get red light on my head. And you guys have, like, heating packs.

I mean, you're just. The whole experience is so great. We just today added grounding in, so we have a little grounding accord. So, yeah, there's maybe another thing coming to that, too. Oh, I love that.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
It's always looking at how to, like, uplevel it a little bit. It's so fun. I feel like you turned me into a superhuman. It's amazing. So where do people find you?

Dr. Mindy Pelz
Before I ask you the last question, I just want people to know about, you know, about your clinic and. Yeah, like, brag away. Like, let us know how we can. We can get people to you. Thank you.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
So probably go to dryoshi.com. that's Dash o. Dash I.com. and there. There's a link to Oasis family medicine where you can get eboo, if that's of interest and appropriate.

And then there's a little link to the live method, which stands for longevity and basically vitality. And it's a little six month program where we go through everything we just talked about. Amazing. Amazing. Okay, well, this is going to be a fun question for you, and one that I probably would have just asked you, like, in the office, because it's more complicated than it appears.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
What does health mean to you? If somebody was to say, are you healthy? What is your measurement of health, and how would you describe health? Yeah, I love that.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
So I will take that health and actually ramp it up to vitality vibrancy, because I think when we talk about health and wellness, because it's definitely better than disease or dis eased and hopefully a little bit better than okay. But then the question is, like, how do we take that and, like, really up level someone? Right, right. And so I know if I think of myself, how am I vibrant? And that's when I'm all those things that we talked about at the beginning, right?

The sleeping well, moving well, eating right, eating well, hydrating well, which each of these are its own separate podcast. Yeah. Again, the photobiomodulation, the sun, the earth, the air, the awareness, the connection. For me, it's spirituality. Just like the belief of something greater, whether that's the force or God or magic or whatever that is.

For someone. But all of those things, when I'm doing and focusing and being those things, it's like then I can feel vibrant. And how do I know that I'm on track? If I roll out of bed and I can move freely, feeling good and feeling vibrant, and I have the body energy, like, okay, I'm feeling good. Like, ready to tackle the day with some passion and vibrant in my mind.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
I love that. Happy, aware, grounded. That's how I know that I'm on track. And then the extra little piece is get the objective data right because I don't want something to sneak up on me where I think I'm like, rosy colored glasses, but something sneaks up and pulls the rug out from under me. So that's where the objective data can just like, take everything I just said and uplevel it.

That was incredible. Well, thank you, doctor Yoshi. I again, I adore you. I love what you're up to. I love picking your brain.

Eboo has just been one of those things that it just, all the heavy metal detoxing I have done with people, this has been a game changer. So thank you for being such a master of it. Just keep up the great work. And I look forward to years of collaboration with you because what you're doing in your heart and your vision is just spectacular. So back at you.

Dr. Yoshi Ram
So thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you. Thank you so much for joining me in today's episode. I love bringing thoughtful discussions about all things health to you.

Dr. Mindy Pelz
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