Cosmic Queries - Space Traveler's Delight

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Yes, it is. Which I'm delighted to know of, and that people are curious everywhere. It's foundational to what it is to be human. Welcome to Startalk, your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide. Startalk begins right now.

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This is Startalk. Neil degrasse Tyson here, your personal astrophysicist. And today we're doing a cosmic queries edition. And you know, I need Chuck. Nice for that.

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Yes. All right, Chuck, we got them right here. They're burning up the iPad. All right. They're all from our Patreon supporters.

Absolutely. We used to do this just for whoever had a question. Anybody? Well, this is just potpourri, right? That's it.

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All right, so we don't have a third guest with an expertise? No, this is just the galactic dumbo. So this presumes I know these answers, right? Well, I think the true presumption is that you will answer. Okay.

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Doesn't necessarily mean that you know, but there will be. I'll go somewhere where there's an answer that I know. Exactly. And we're doing this from my office here at the Hayden Planetarium. Yes.

The cosmic crib at the American Museum. Of Natural History right here in New York City. Yes. All right. All right.

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Let's do it. Let's start. All right. First up. Yes, King and yes, King says hello.

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Doctor Tyson Lord. Nice. Yes, king of Queens here in New York. If we ever get to move to Mars, will we be stronger and faster because we're accustomed to Earth's gravity like John Carter of Mars. So are we stronger on Mars?

There's the real question. Yes. When we get there. That's an odd question to answer because the question is, are you stronger than what? Right?

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Okay. If two of you all go from Earth to Mars, whatever your strength ratio was here on Earth, it's gonna be that. On Mars, it's gonna be that on Mars, if somebody can kick your ass on earth, they gonna kick you. Just getting a martian ass whipping. I'm just saying.

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Yeah. In terms of strength. So we have to be precise about how we're gonna answer that. Right. Okay.

How much stronger will I be as an individual once I land on Mars? All right, so let's. We gotta benchmark it. So let's say on earth you can lift 100 pounds. Okay.

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Okay. We have to ask, what does that 100 pounds weigh on Mars? On Mars weighs 40 pounds. Right. So on Mars you can lift more than your 100 pounds.

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Right. Because it doesn't weigh as much. Not because you're stronger. Exactly. Get my clear about that?

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So I'm getting that 220 pounds that I'm lifting. But it doesn't make a difference. Cause it's really still 100 pounds.

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Well, on earth it's 100 pounds. Right. Right. Still 100 pounds. So you are not actually stronger if everything you're lifting weighs less.

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But the stuff that I bring from Earth to Mars, which probably won't be a lot because the truth of the matter is you're gonna print everything that. Ideally. Ideally, you're gonna print it in situ resource utilization. Ooh, I love it. Isru.

Isru. Yeah. It's a whole branch of NASA. In situ resource utilization. In situ.

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Getting all latin on your. Exactly. So they don't want. This is the situation. They don't want to have to carry everything.

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Right. Cause that's very costly for the payload of any rocket. Right. We did a rocket equation explainer one time. Yes, we did.

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How quickly you need more and more and more fuel to carry the fuel that you haven't burned yet to carry the excess payload that you're trying to take. So if that's what it is, then you would be 3d printing it on Mars using raw materials there. Absolutely. So now, um, let's just say I need an object, and here on earth, it weighs 200 pounds, and they're on Mars. When I print it, it's going to be the same, like 200 pounds.

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But it won't be. It'll be martian, much less. Well, it'll be martian. It'll be martian weight, 80 pounds. 80 pounds.

And so I'm going to be able. To do that right now. Yeah, 80 pounds. Because 100 is 40, so it's going to be 80 pounds on Mars. And so really it doesn't make a difference.

That's why the question, it just doesn't make a difference. No, no. So here's something that matters, okay. If you're gonna build something structurally, it doesn't weigh as much on the supports, okay? So you can build bigger, stronger structures.

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Bigger structures in lower gravity than you can here on earth. Cool. Yeah. All right. At any time gravity is less, you can do more.

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Right. So look what we, our mammal branch of the tree of life has done when we entered the water. When we entered the water. But how much do you weigh in water? Zero.

Nothing. You're neutrally buoyant, you'll slowly sink, or you'll slowly float. But basically, because humans, depending how much fat to muscle density you have. Okay, let's not talk about that. Okay, please.

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But some will sink and some will float. So on average, we are the same density of water as we are of water. So in water, we don't weigh anything. Okay. Put a scale in water and stand on it and read it.

Okay. That's what I'm saying. Okay. So when you don't weigh anything, then structurally you're not putting yourself at risk. And that's why the largest creature there ever was is a mammal.

And it lives in the ocean. Right? It's a whale. Right? The blue whale.

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That's it. We got one of those hanging in the museum. In the museum, yes. Okay. And by the way, it says all the time, my back is killing me because there is no water here.

Held up these hooks. I can't believe the gravity that I'm feeling right now. So when they say, how much does a whale weigh? The answer is zero. They give you a weight.

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And how do they give you a weight? They take it out of the water, put it on a scale on dry land, and then it weighs a gazillion tons. But that's not the weight that the whale feels as it moves through the ocean. There you go. Now, there's another side of this.

Not to just make a long answer, longer. But your weight is. Whatever is the attraction of gravity is to you. Okay, your mass doesn't change. Doesn't change.

Doesn't change. Right. Okay. Mass is. Count up the molecules in your hand, your body, the rock.

The mass is the mass. The measurement of a mass is the same no matter where it is in the universe. Okay, nice. All right. Wait.

Unless it's moving relativistic speeds, then the mass increases. But holding that aside. Right, that's a different conversation. Okay, okay, but mass matters with regard to momentum, right? Okay, so watch.

If I take a hundred pound brick and I throw it at you, I'm suing you. He'll knock you over. Yes, it will. Okay. Now, so how much mass is in the 100 pound brick?

We can ask. Okay, you can measure up that mass. If I pick up that brick on Mars, it only weighs 40 pounds. But if I throw it at you. The mass is the same.

The mass is the same. It'll knock you over in exactly the same way it would have done it here on earth. Right. Okay, just so you know. And in both cases, I'm like, why you hit me with a brick?

Sorry. That was it. That was a. That was a morbid example. I know.

There probably some other example I could have thought of. I'm sorry. Sorry about that. All right, next question. All right, this is Alicia.

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Okorofa. Okoroafu. Okoro. Afu. Okoro.

Afu. This is Alicia. Okay. Hi, Alicia. Hey, Alicia.

What's happening? How you doing? Alicia? Alicia. O Alisha.

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Okay, there you go. If the earth center wasn't hot and there was a hole all the way through, what would happen if you jumped in? Because you will only fall down until the center of the earth, and then you'll start going up and you'll start falling backwards. Oh, by the way, my name is Arian. Age?

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Eleven, and I'm from United Kingdom, Wales. Okay, wait, so what was the first name? That's just the handle, I guess that's. Mom or whoever who sent it. Okay, right.

Okay, but Ariana, who actually. Ariane. Hi. Arian. Who spelled her name?

Arian. Arian spelled her name. You don't know if it's a boy or girl? Oh, who knows? Spelled her name?

Oh, I don't. Okay. Arian, who spelled their name. Their name phonetically, is eleven years old. From where?

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You so genderized. That's true. That is true. So this is what Aryan wants to know. What happens when you jump in a hole that goes all the way through the center of the earth?

Oh yeah. So I'd like the fact that Arian turned off the heat first. Isn't that something? That's good. Aryan knew the deal.

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She was just like, we have a molten core. So at the center, here's what happens. You got crackle, sizzle. Yeah. The core is hot enough to vaporize you.

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So you would not make it to the other side. Just so you know. But if you dug a hole through. And I did this, I didn't do it. I did the math on it.

Well, when I was a kid, maybe when I was eleven, I said, if you dug a hole from the United States, cause that's where I live. Where would you come out? On the other side. And everyone says, if you dig a hole all the way to China. Right?

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That's always the case. That's how we see a hole to China here in the United States. That's right. However, China is not where you will land if you dig a hole through the center of the earth. Because if you dig a hole through the center and you start in the northern hemisphere, you have to end up.

In the southern hemisphere. In the southern hemisphere, if you start in the western hemisphere, you got to. End up in the eastern hemisphere. That's how the geometry works. Exact.

Cause it's a ball. It's a ball. Right. All right. So when I did that and did the measurements on that, if you dug that hole from the United States, you would end up in the Indian Ocean.

Nice. So basically south Indian Ocean, you just. Flood the United States. That's really what you get. You pop through and all of a sudden you're like, oh lord, what have I done?

What have I done? And the whole United States is now flooded. So now, so we have to ask now where, if you live in Wales, where does their hole come out? Well, it's easy to figure that out. It's trivial.

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Okay. Because what line goes through the United Kingdom? The most prime line meridian. The prime meridian, most famous line in the world. And what is diametrically opposite the prime meridian?

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The equator.

What? Let's try that again. What's diametrically opposite the prime meridian? Oh, give me a second. I'm trying to think of the line that goes across the North Pole down.

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On the other side. On the other side it goes all. The way through the South Pole. No.

Okay, I'll help you. Oh, the prime meridian. No, no. The prime meridian is only pole to pole, but on the other side, we call it. What?

It's the same line. Continue. But we have a different word for it on the other side. Oh, I don't know. The international date line.

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Oh, I didn't know that. You didn't know that? I did not. You didn't know that? I didn't know that the prime meridian and the international date line were the same line.

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They're the same damn line. I did not know that. You didn't know that? I have never made that connection. I've always.

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Because people always talk about the international. Date in its own world. In its own world. Okay. And then they talk about the prime meridian because it's like, oh, this is.

Is the line that runs all the way through. So I didn't know that. Okay. Okay, cool. Okay.

So that's why. That's why I was a kid, when. I was a kid, I spent a lot of time looking at maps and globes and stuff. I thought that was just cool. Sorry, but just to be clear, I was bigger than other kids, so thank God.

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That kind of nerd activity. Let me just tell you something. Get your ass whooping. I'm just gonna say, up in the. Bronx, yes, but you're a man of large stature.

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If you were chuck nice size, the world would not have Neil degrasse Tyson. That's all there is to it. Because if Chuck nice was a kid and was just like, did you know that the international date line and the prime meridian were actually the same line? Isn't that amazing? First of all, they'd have been like, take off all those clothes, those shoes, give me the money.

And then they'd have beat me. It'd take your lunch from money, sneakers. And then the beating. That's how it goes. Money, sneakers, beat.

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In that order. In that order. So what's convenient about the international date line, because that goes through Greenwich, England, is on the other side, is the middle of the freaking Pacific Ocean. So you don't want the international date line going right in the middle of your country. Because then one half the country would be one day, the other half would be the other day, 24 hours different.

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Exactly. And so you don't want that. So it's just convenient. Now, there's few places, is it the Solomon Islands? There's some place where they had to do some bending because there's some scattered islands in the Pacific, but basically it bypassed that challenge.

Right? Okay, just thought I'd say that. So Arian will dig a hole and we'll land in the south Pacific. Okay. Okay.

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Let's get back to the question. What's going to happen when you jump in? Yeah. So you jump in, you will fall and accelerate continually. Right.

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You're picking up speed the whole time. Actually. It's not discrete. So I have to say you will fall and accelerate continuously. The difference between continual, continual and continuous.

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I was talking to a Brit who invented the language, so we got to be good about the language here, okay? That's right.

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Yes. They sound so much smarter than we do when they speak English. Well, some of them. And we're self aware, right. You don't go deep cockney.

Right. Yeah. We sound smart. If they're going like, hey, I got no, yeah, then we sound like the smart ones, you know? But if you're like Gary, our Gary O'Reilly automatically sounds sophisticated and smart with the british accent.

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Right. Right. So you'll jump in, you'll accelerate continually. Right. Until you get to the center.

Let me just. For those who didn't know, okay, a river flows by continuously, right. The parade floats moved by continually. Continually. Right.

Right. Cause those are discrete, they're discreet, and. They are not connected. They're not connected. But if it's connected, then it's continuous.

And usually it's the same material substance. Correct. Right. Okay. You can't tie a chain between the floats and call it continuous.

Exactly. So you jump in, you will accelerate until you get to the center where you'll be. You'll hit peak speed. Nice. Peak speed.

And I'm thinking that speed is 5 miles/second okay, I have to verify that. I'm just pulling that out 5 miles/second so you're dead. No, no, no. You're just falling. You are weightless, right?

You don't care that you move 5 miles/second well, you care. Well, that is true. You're on earth going 20 miles/second around the sun. So now, okay, I'm gonna let you finish. Cause you don't care what the airplane, when you said peak speed, that means now we're going up because you're not.

I didn't get there yet. We're the center of the earth. All right, all right. Okay. That's what I'm saying.

Peak speed, center of the earth. Now what happens to you? The hole is all the way through the earth. You will overshoot the middle. Okay?

You go 5 miles, you'll overshoot, right. You'll overshoot the middle. And now earth will slowly slow you down. So that's what I was saying you're dead. So that breaking.

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Actually you're going up now. You're not going up. Up is any way away from the center of the earth. Exactly. Okay, so you're going up in terms of.

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No, you're going up into and towards the South Pacific. When. If you're in Wales. Okay. And you are slowing down continuously.

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Right. And in the exact rate that you had sped up going in. So it's the exact undoing of everything that happened on your. En route to the center of the earth. Sweet.

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So then you will exact where. Ignoring air resistance here. Of course. Okay. Okay, there we go.

And then you get to the South Pacific. Now, assuming the water's not just flowing. We have a tube that's a little tube above. Above. We'll give you a life saving tube.

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Right. You'll come right up to the edge and unless somebody grabs you, you're gonna fall back down and you're gonna repeat this forever. Oh, that's terrible. Somebody's gotta grab you. Oh, this is a good, good version of hell.

Forever. I like it as a version of hell. Yeah. You'll just keep going back and forth. Right.

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There it is. Oh, well, that was cool. And one round trip comes back to Wales. One round trip takes the same amount of time as an orbiting spacecraft. Ooh.

Yep. That makes sense. So if the space station orbits over your head and you jump in the hole. Right. You go down the other side, you actually see it past.

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You're gonna see the pace on the other side. That's great. And you come back and there it is. There it is. That's really cool.

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It's really cool. Yeah. Cause you're going. The diameter of the Earth. Well, you have to do the math and the newtonian physics and it all works out.

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Yeah. It makes sense though, because you're falling. Yes. So you're falling. The diameter, it's falling.

The circumference. You're both in free fall. That's awesome. In earth, dude, I love it. It's physics.

That's really cool. Yeah, that's cool. Well, Ariana, that was. Thank you for that, Arianne. Sorry, you're right.

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Yes. I messed up her name and she spelled it phonetically. If it's a she. Oh, sorry, Arianne. Sorry.

They. They go. Thank you, Arianne. Thank you, Arianne. Okay.

From Wales. Great to have fans in Wales. There you go.

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I'm Ali Khan Hemraj and I support startalk on Patreon. This is startalk with Neil degrasse Tyson.

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All right, here we go. Brett S. Chapel says hello. Doctor Tyson and his niceness. Warm greetings from Copenhagen.

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Here in Denmark, we're getting international. I know. Look at this, by the way. One of the most famous astronomers ever was danish. Okay, give me a second.

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And I sat for 20 minutes with some native Danes to teach me how to pronounce his name, and I will show off now that I can pronounce his name. Okay. Who is this Tuchel Brah? Tuko brah? No idea.

Tycho brahe, we call him. Oh, tycho brahe. Tycho. Okay. There's a crater on the moon named after him called Tycho.

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Tycho. It's the crater that has rays coming off of it. Nice. Yeah, it's called the Ray crater Tycho. Very famous crater.

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But tuco brah, tu co bra. Yeah. I want a plus for that. Cause I worked my butt off. That's pronouncing that pretty cool.

Okay, what do you have? All right. Carl Sagan edited a golden record which went into space in 1977 on NASA's Voyager expedition. This disc included music by diverse sources such as Chuck Berry, peruvian panpipes, and Johannesbach. If you had to revamp the playlist to meet 2024 standards, which one of the two songs would you add to ensure a more modern repertoire?

Oh. So is there a. Is there a song recently? So let's get past Chuck Berry time. So I'm gonna say you have to go from late sixties till now.

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What two songs would you add to from late sixties till now? Cause Chuck Berry's the fifties. Okay, so you gotta go late sixties till now. I gotta put in rapper's delight. What?

Well, it did start at all. It birthed. It birthed from my home borough, the Bronx. That's true. Okay.

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Bronx birth. Hip hop. There you go. So I put. Put in rapper's delight.

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Wow. Okay. Worst rap song ever made. But the most important rap song edit. Chart in it was number one.

Yes, it did. And we danced our ass off in college today. Cause when it came out when I was in college. All right, and. Shake it off.

Shake it off. Wait. Oh, Taylor Swift. Shake it off.

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I don't know. I mean, we gotta update it, right? And that's very in the moment, right? Whatever alien finds this will also find the leader of our world. That is the leader of the world.

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When they listen to Taylor Swift, they'll be like, oh, and this is the leader of their world. Take me to your leader. Here she is. From the realm of pop music. I think that's what I would pull out.

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All right, what would be fun? If we put John Cage's 427 or whatever the name of his work is. It's a piano work. Okay. You know it.

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I don't think. I know that. The pianist sits there at the piano and doesn't do anything. Is this the guy who doesn't play. Doesn'T do anything for four minutes?

Okay, I've heard about this. We should put that on the record. Yeah, that'd be great. Four minutes of silence and somebody going, the aliens are listening clear in their throats. It's like, what's wrong with these people?

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Right? So maybe if I were to do it, maybe that I might have thrown in a disco song, but disco kind of came and left. Yeah. And I would not have predicted that at the time. Right.

I would have said hip hop was a flash in the pan and disco would be here forever. No, the opposite happened. Yep. Yeah. What two songs did you pick?

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Okay, for me, I'm going to go Kendrick Lamar. They not like us. Ooh. Yeah. Just because clearly these are aliens that found it, so.

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Oh, okay, okay. Very clever. Very clever. All right. And for my second song, smells like teen spirit, and that is nirvana.

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And the reason is because I don't know any teenager ever, no matter what their color, no matter what their creed, no matter, like, what their background, who doesn't hear that song and isn't moved by it, they truly capture teenage angst in a song. They found the resonant frequency way to say it of not just of a generation, but of a period of life. Life, yeah, a period of life. Everybody knows what it is to have the anxiety of teenage existence, and it exists in that song. All right, so, yeah, smells like teen spirit.

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All right. All right. So I love that. Okay, we hope that. There you go.

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All right, well, there you go. This is Oliver Cook. Hello there. This is Oliver. I'm 36 year old painter and decorator from south Wales.

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Whoa. Love the podcast. There's a second question from Wales. I want to know if there's such a thing as absolute stillness in the universe. And if so, what would happen if we were to reach it?

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Would everything else just blink out of existence? Wow, look at that. That'd be a fun science fiction premise. That would be. Or if you can't find it, you create it.

Right? Right. Earth is rotating. Let's stop the rotation. Earth is going around the sun.

C
Let's stop that. The sun is going around the galaxy. Let's stop that. Right. Galaxy is falling towards it.

B
The power of stillness. What a cool superhero. I have the power. And now would that be stillness all the way down to the vibration of molecules and add, that's not how I'm. Thinking of the question.

C
But it turns out that that's not possible because quantum physics demands that even when you cool something down to absolute zero, to absolute zero in the day. In Lord Kelvin's day. Right. Oh, dear lady. And Lord Kelvin.

Kelvin his actual name is Thompson. But Kelvin, when he became lord, he was Lord Kelvin. A brilliant physicist, a little cocky, but brilliant. He pioneered the Kelvin temperature scale, which is the absolute temperature. So what they found was at any given temperature, air molecules are vibrating where they're moving among and bouncing off each other.

If you drop the temperature, they move a little slower. Drop it some more. They move a little slower. Nice. And so he extrapolates it.

There must be a point where they stop moving at all. Okay. They stop moving at all. There's no temperature left. Absolute zero.

You can't have temperature less than the temperature of something not moving. Ooh. Completely reasonable before quantum physics. Uh huh. Quantum physics.

As you try to take it to the lowest possible energy state, and you cannot characterize a zero energy state, there's always some fluctuation. Something is moving. Or fluctuating. Or fluctuating. Or.

I want to distinguish sort of vibration from translational moment. Exactly. He means translational movement. Is there a point where nothing is moving? Okay, so the answer is no.

B
Wow. Because you've been on a train before. So true. Let's say Amtrak. Not everyone has, but Europe, they're all about trains.

Right. Here, some of us have been on trains. Yeah. We only have one. It's called Amtrak.

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Yeah. Yeah. And you sit on the train and you look out the window, and all of a sudden things start moving. Right. You're at the station and you're there, and then things start moving backwards.

And you rationally say, oh, they're not actually moving. I'm moving cause I'm on the train. But you didn't know that because it was so smooth. Okay. All I'm saying is, if you believe you are stationary, someone else has equal rights to that claim.

B
Hmm. And if you say they're in motion, they can legitimately say, no, I'm stationary and you're in motion. There's no experiment you can conduct to say otherwise. I know I am, but what about you? Who?

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You are, but what about you? I know you are, but what about. I know I am, but what are you? So that is a foundational principle of relativity, right? Yeah.

Okay. And so we're stuck with it. That's how the universe is put together. There was a brief moment where, looking out to the cosmic microwave background, right. The question was, is it a different temperature in this direction than that direction?

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Okay. Cause if it is, that means we can tell absolutely that we are moving relative to a reference frame. That's the entire fricking universe. Right? There is no such thing as no motion.

There's no such thing as no motion. Correct. Because once you get down to the quantum, there's something. And even so, even if you think. You'Re in motion, someone else's frame of reference.

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It's a reference frame. Someone else's frame of reference. If you think you're not, you're in motion, you're still. Your frame of reference says I'm in motion, you're still. Correct.

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There you go. And there is no experiment that you can conduct that can tell you differently. Right. Okay. Wow.

I never thought we would get all of that out of Oliver's. Yeah. There it is. That is fantastic. His name?

C
Oliver Stone. Oliver Cook. Oh, Oliver Cook. Oliver Stone's the director. Yeah, I'm Oliver Cook.

Okay. Please, sir, may I paint some more? That's a bad welsh accent. It certainly is. You're imitating Oliver.

B
I know. From the streets of London. Yes, exactly. All right, here it is. Caleb Carter says howdy from northern Indiana.

I just watched an episode where someone asked if a pair of quarks get spaghettified, would they sooner or later find an equilibrium? Y'all responded with essentially, I don't know. But I do know this is the moment there is an enough energy to sufficiently separate them. They would just make quarks to become a pair again. Thus, an infant amount of quarks would be made.

I remember y'all talking about how a single h two o molecule doesn't make water, but water is made from clumps of h two o. It's possible that quarks and gravity are related in a similar way. If, and this is a mighty big if, both cases are true, could this explain why black holes are infinitely dense? Could this just be another version of a runaway thermonuclear reaction like we see in stars? But in terms of gravity.

I'm gonna handle this one for you. You got this. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Here we go. Watch this. Nah, bro.

Sorry, bro. Nah, nah. That's not how it works. That ain't how it goes. So I'm thinking again about this quark falling into the.

Into the hole, which we were talking. About runaway creation of quarks. And I realized where's it getting its energy from? It's getting its energy from the gravitational field. Right.

C
Of the black hole. Correct. Right. So the black hole, I think, would eat itself. It's.

B
Right. Its entire gravitational field would morph into particles. Right. Because it's feeding off that reaction, which is feeding off of the field. But then the feeding reaction then make a field exactly.

So you have this kind of just infinite loop that would keep happening and it could end up eating itself. Yeah. So that's really cool. Now I'm no less than what I knew before. Exactly.

C
Right. So I don't have a good answer. I don't think. I don't know how to respond. Right.

It remains a mystery, at least to me, if not to others. Okay, out there. There you go. Mm hmm. That was easy.

So is he saying that the gathering of quarks is itself the black hole in the way? The gathering, because you can't have a single black hole molecule, in a sense. Exactly right. So. But a bunch of water molecules makes water.

A bunch of quarks makes black hole a black hole. Yeah. Nah, bro.

B
It's fun to think about. But you did give it quite a dramatic read, that question that was.

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Time for just a couple more questions. Okay, here we go. Fabio later says, good day. Fabio, here from Washington. Fabio?

B
Yes. Fabio. Okay. And what should I say? Fabio, so lovely to see you, dear.

Might I say you look ravishing. Excuse me? While I stroke my hair and look at you longingly while I flex my pec and wash your clothing on my washboard abs. I am Fabio.

C
That was his real name, right? That dude? I don't know that. They drew on all the romance novels. That was his sad name.

B
We know that. Green Actors Guild. Green Actors Guild. That was his name for them. So, all right.

He says, in your educated opinion, do you think media censorship should exist in future space colonies in order to mitigate most of humanity's undesirable traits? Wow, bro. That's a good one. Wow. Look at you.

C
Yeah. I mean, he's talking so selective protective censorship is what he's talking about. With all of its weaknesses, I think its greatest strengths outweigh them, and that's the strength of freedom of speech. There you go, my friend. And maybe I say that.

Cause I'm indoctrinated as such, as Merck. I tell you what you said. Cause you live the greatest damn country on this face. Merc. That's right.

Merck. Apostrophe m. That's right. U r r I C A. Let me tell you something, Merca.

B
Jesus gave me the right to free speech. That's cause I'm here in Merck, all right? He let all you other people speak, too. All right? Let's go.

Cause I could do this all time. No, we need a ref here. Blow the whistle. So. And maybe cause I'm indoctrinated that way, I allow that to be a possibility.

First of all, I agree. But I disagree that it's indoctrination. Here's why I disagree that it's indoctrination. Because with the right to censorship comes a certain power, and we all know that power corrupts. Yes, power also seeks power.

And so if you were to give people the ability, never ends well. It never ends well. That's all there is to it. It's not just indoctrination. There's evidence.

That's right. If you want the stability of that colony to be a thing, like with all the challenges and all the fits and starts the free speech causes, the benefits outweigh. Outweigh any of the detriments. And quite frankly, what you need to do, Fabio, is have free speech and teach everyone in that colony to think critically so that they can assess the value of the free speech that's being spoken. Ooh.

C
So you get it for you. Nip that in the bud. That's it. That. You start out that way.

B
Start out that way. Maybe you don't even allow people to go to that colony, right? Unless. Unless they can think critically. I like to go to the colony.

No, dumbass. No. Stop. No, you stay your dumbass right here on earth where you belong.

All right? It's the dumbass disqualification. It's a dumbass disqualification. That's it. Stop.

That's it. We can formalize this. We should name that planet rationalia. Okay, okay. Like in your book, which I just happen to have.

Excellent. So I tweeted. You gotta tell them the name of the book. Oh. Starry messenger.

C
Cosmic perspectives on civilization. Sweet. So I and others came up with this idea of rationalia at a conference. Okay. A science conference, all right?

And I tweeted it. It says, Earth needs a virtual country. I wasn't thinking other planets. Right. Virtual country.

Rationalia with a one line constitution. All policy shall be based on the weight of evidence. Whoa. There you go. Boom.

B
That's it. That's it. That's it. You get rid of so many problems, Evan. So many problems.

C
And if you don't have Evans, then there's no problem. Yes, exactly. Wait a minute. I feel. Shut up.

B
Shut up. He cares about how you feel. You shut up with your feelings. Get out of here. We said evidence.

C
No, no, wait, wait. Hold on. Wait. Just to be clear. Go ahead on rationale.

You can have feelings. No, your feelings are fine, but you can't. You just can't make a law. You can't write. You just can't write a law.

B
You can't be a part of the conversation. No, you can have a conversation. You just can't write a law based on your feelings. No, but that's what I'm saying. When we are debating the law, what the law should be.

Your feelings don't matter. It's just all about evidence. If it's about evidence. Correct. Right.

C
Correct. Yeah. So on that planet, free speech would be. Oh, my gosh. Exactly.

It would be the blooming of the greatest democracy the universe has ever seen. There you go. Wow. So that's from the chapter in here called law and order. Law and order.

B
Law and order from starry messenger. It's really what? Thank you for the sound effect. It's things that we care deeply about in civilization. It's what they look like when seen through the lens of science.

Right. And so many of the arguments that we have over holiday dinners, they evaporate right in the presence of rational analysis. There you go. So that's what goes on there. Okay.

All right, here we go. Let's do this one. It might be our last one. Hello, Doctor Tyson and Lord nice. And anyone else that might have been invited.

Craig Cordwell from the UK here. I was wondering, how sure are we that spiral galaxies like our own and our neighbors Andromeda, are not being sucked into the black hole, which is what causes the flushing toilet like shape that makes up the galaxies? Love the show and look forward to hearing the episode. Ooh. Okay, this makes, like, four people from the UK.

C
Is that on this round, we got. A lot of people, a lot of love from the UK, a lot of love from the colonizers. Lot of love from the colonizers on this show.

B
But watch out. We tune in next week, we two brits. Dudes, sitting here.

C
There's an old joke about earth. There's no such thing as gravity. Earth sucks. Okay, so black holes are not giant sucking machines, right? They just have a gravitational field.

If you get really, really close, kiss your ass goodbye. If you're not, you'll just maintain an orbit around it like we do the sun. Like we do the sun. Exactly. As we do the sun.

B
Right. We don't. We don't crash into the sun. We don't crash. We're not getting sucked into.

Right, right. And so if you step back, it looks like all the planets are spiraling around, which they are. Right. But they're not getting sucked into the sun. All right, so the toilet bowl effect, that's work.

C
These are called spiral arms, and our understanding of them came of age while I was in graduate school, because how do you maintain that? And because the inner parts of the galaxy actually will complete an orbit faster than the outer parts. So you get this stretching of these coherent cloud formations. Cloud, gas form. They're not cloud, they're gas clouds.

B
But clouds. Not puffy clouds? No, not puffy Earth clouds. Gas. Streams of gas.

C
That, because the galaxy rotates, as we say, differentially, which means the inner parts rotate faster than the outer part of it will drag it into this spiral shape. And one of our big challenges was how does it maintain the grand design, two arm spiral without, over time, just winding up on itself? Right. Okay, so that's where it got complicated. Worry about what's called spiral density waves.

It's not really a physical gaseous structure. The gas is everywhere. There's a density wave that's moving across the clouds, triggering star formation. Wow. So wherever this density wave is, there's star formation in that shape.

So it's more complicated than it looks. But all I'm saying is everything is just simply orbiting the center of the galaxy. Right. And it's not like a toilet bowl that's ultimately going to go down the tube. Right.

B
Because there's gravity at the center of the galaxy. Yeah, there's gravity there, and that's what maintains the orbits. The orbits. Right. But if you want it to fall in, you're gonna have to stop the motion.

Right. Then it won't know to go sideways, and it'll just fall straight in. That's what you'd have to do if you wanted it to actually behave like a toilet bowl.

C
By the way, we detect black holes because of this toilet bowl phenomenon. Oh, okay. If a gas cloud or star gets too close, tidal forces will rip it apart. The material spirals around, and the spiraling material, because the inner parts are rotating faster than the outer parts, there's friction. And wherever you have friction, you have what?

B
Heat. Heat. So this is what we call an accretion disk. This disk, as it spirals, gets hotter and hotter and hotter and harder and hotter. It starts glowing, first red hot, then white hot, then blue hot.

C
Then it's glowing so hot, it emits x rays. Aha. That's how hot it gets. And so our greatest discoveries of black holes occurred when we launched x ray telescopes into orbit. Right.

Earth orbit. And you look out and you see these sources of x rays. Those are black holes talking to us in the universe. Is that the chandra? Yeah, Chandra Sakhara, a brilliant indian physicist.

We named the telescope after him in the way we named Hubble after Edwin Hubble. Hubble. So the Chandrasekhar x ray telescope is named after him. Cool, man. But anyway, that's how we found black holes.

Very cool. There you go. That is a toilet bowl because it's falling in as it radiates away, whereas we are not falling in. It's just a density wave moving across clouds that are already there. All right.

That's all the time we have for you. That was great, man. We went, got caught. A lot of fun there. Yeah.

B
That's our international version of cosmic queers. There you go. There you go. Plus northern Indiana. This has been another installment of startalk cosmic queries.

C
Galactic gumbo. We love galactic gumbo. Galactic gumbo. We love those. Those are nice.

B
Absolutely. Because we can do that just ourselves. Exactly. We don't need, like, bring in the big guns. Extra expertise.

We don't need no stinking astrophysicists. Extra astrophysics. All right, until next time, keep looking up.

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