458: When Expectations Are Not Met

Chase Kosterlitz
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Talia Bombola
Hi, guys. Thanks so much for tuning in to today's show, where I welcome Talia Bambola. And Talia is a licensed psychotherapist. She holds a master's degree in clinical psychology with an emphasis in marriage and family therapy. And she has won Newport Beach's best therapist three years in a row.

And today, Talia and I talk about what to do when our partner isn't what we expected. This could come out in a lot of different ways, but one of them is, you know, in those first few years of getting to know someone and being in partnership, we definitely tend to idealize our partners. And then we're confronted with the fact that they are human and they are going to disappoint us. And this can be quite hard to navigate when we are confronted with this. And then we also lose sight of the idea that we also are not perfect from the other side of things.

That's important to remember. And Talia and I talk about how to navigate this and a lot more. We dive into how to set realistic expectations and how to ask for what we want and what we need and how to communicate that in a relationship. I really enjoyed this conversation with Talia. I know you guys will, too.

Thank you for tuning in. Enjoy the show.

Hi, Talia. Thanks so much for joining me on the show today. Thank you for having me. I've been looking forward to this. Today we're going to talk about what to do, how we can navigate when our partner is not what we expected.

And in our pre show, I asked you about this, and you gave a great explanation of how you encounter this with your clients. So I thought we could start by having you share what goes on when our partner isn't what we expected. Yes. So the definition that I like to give the clients that I work with. So I work as a therapist, and I practice from a psychoanalytic, psychodynamic lens, which is essentially looking at how your childhood affected you and then the way that impacts your adulthood.

Sarah Kosterlitz
When we look at our romantic relationships, staring at our partner, I'm sure we've all experienced that at some point or another of, like, who is this? Like, that's. That's not what my dream version of you does. Silly. Silly.

You just go back to being what I, you know, what I imagined you to be. There's a gap between what we expect and dream and hope. Our ideal archetype, partner to be, girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, wife. It doesn't necessarily matter about the heteronormativity of things. It really is about who do you expect a partner to be in your life, and do you have space to close that gap with who they really are?

And that desire, that hope and expectation stems from our childhood template, whether we liked it or not. It also stems from media. What examples were we given of what partners should and shouldn't do? And it stems deeply from our sub and unconscious that we have these desires for fulfillment, for attunement, for somebody to finally understand us in all the ways we've never been understood. That part especially stems from our infant child relationship where we had no choice but to cry, to try to get our needs met.

And hopefully our parents cared and attuned to try to decipher, oh, that means hungry. That means I need a new diaper, that means I'm too hot or too cold. We take that. It's called like, an omniscient knowing where. It's like, I don't even have to ask.

Which so many partners like, well, I don't even want to have to ask. You should just know that comes from when we're babies. And our parent was like, they don't even have to ask. I just know that that's their cry. We carry that with us into adulthood.

And when our partner isn't what we expected, that is they fall short of something they never consciously agreed to do. We have certain reactions to that in a relationship. It doesn't mean the relationship needs to end. It's more about how do you navigate when the person isn't what you expected. Thank you for that explanation, and I want to dive into navigating that.

Talia Bombola
But first I want to just touch on one of the things you said is feeling like we shouldn't have to ask or tell our partner to do the thing that we want them to do. And another version of that that. That I've encountered, and I'm curious on your take and the origins is, it's like a version of that where it's like I can have a conversation about what it is that I want, but then once I've told you, well, now you're doing it because I told you and not because you really want to. It doesn't mean as much. Right?

I'm not saying that that's how we should be looking at, but I'm saying that's a thing that I've seen come up. Can you talk a little bit about navigating that and maybe where that sentiment comes from? If someone is feeling like, well, I'm gonna tell you, but. But now if you do it, you're just doing it because. Because I told you.

Sarah Kosterlitz
I told you to do it. You didn't, you didn't think to do it. You didn't read my mind. So that piece, it stems from a similar place that is our childhood and our upbringing when you look at your family relationship. So if you don't have an ideal family, go with me on a journey for a moment that you have somewhat of a functional ideal family in which you, more often than not, are getting along and try to meet each other's needs with or without having to ask.

We'll put that aside for a moment. When you look at how long you've been in a relationship with different kinds of relationship, but when you look at how long you've been in a relationship with your family, how old are you? How, how many years were your parents together before you were born? You can kind of do the math. You've been in a relationship with them for, let's say, 20, 30, 40 years.

You've reached enough pattern recognition. With that long of a systemic relationship, you probably don't have to ask. It doesn't mean you never had to ask. It means that the amount of time it's been since you had to ask is so long, you kind of forget that you ever had to, and it becomes second nature. You put that next to a relationship that's just starting out.

Years one to five, even, they don't even compare. It's a five one to five year relationship versus a 30 to 40 year relationship. We can't have the same expectation of somebody who doesn't know us for the same amount of time and hasn't had the same amount of opportunity to be asked or to even meet those needs. And the reason why we lovingly try to put that person we've just met in the same box as a person who's known us for our whole life, is because love and closeness and intimacy in the non sexual sense, meaning truly closeness, feels similar. No one is going to either love you or trigger you the way that your romantic partner does.

It's the second closest relationship to your family system and family of origin. Again, caveat for anything dysfunctional or abusive that's put aside. If you had a somewhat functional, healthy family system, your brain will almost synonymize. Oh, well, this person makes me feel the same way that this family does. They must know me just the same.

Not so. After a certain amount of years, we can safely say I shouldn't have to ask, because I've asked so many times. You've known me for how long have I ever wanted this other thing? There is a certain threshold that we reach, but in the beginning, they're connected from that reason of they make me feel the same love that I did growing up. They must know me the same way the people in my upbringing did.

Talia Bombola
Let's talk about those one through five years, and that's likely going to be when we are most confronted with this idea that our partner is not what we expected. How can we think about those first, I want to say, incidents or confrontations when our idealized image of our partner is shattered? And how can we think about that from a healthy perspective? And then I'll talk about just navigating those things and when we might need to think about the idea that that relationship might not be good for us. Yes.

Sarah Kosterlitz
So when we're looking at the. Or not, what I expected in analytic terms is called projective identification. So imagine you are one of those big screens that gets pulled down, that a projector gets, you know, shined on. Both. Both you and the partner are going to see each other in that way.

Meaning you're a screen for me to project onto. I'm a screen for you to project onto. And in those years, one to two, that idealization phase, we. We're doing that to each other. We project our hopes, our dreams, our fantasies onto our significant other.

And we also project what we didn't like from childhood. So if my dad was his phone all the time and that caused a rupture, anytime I see my partner on their phone, I may project onto them how I felt as a child, as a way, in my adulthood, to finally master what I couldn't when I was a kid. I didn't have the strength. I didn't have the brute force, the age, the what have you on my side. So here's the perfect example that I can just project that onto my partner and have the reaction that really belongs to the parent, that I should address that with onto them.

And again, the phone is just one of those examples. I've worked with many couples where you start to notice the things that were cute in the beginning when you idealize them now drive you absolutely up a wall. It's a pet peeve now. It's not like that quirky fun thing they do. You're like, I'm going to shave your eyebrow off in the middle of the night if you snore again, it's not funny anymore.

So you notice that idealization starts to go away and they might not match the projection, or that hopefully, then typically from years two to three of a relationship, you start to notice that's where the mask comes off. You're starting to see more of who they really are. You're trying to see if they will really fit in your life. You might start to have some conflicts, ideally that you resolve them. You start to adjust with them not being.

You're not in that limerence anymore where the sun shines out their eyes and hormonally you're like, oh, my God, they can do no wrong. That has quelled around 18 months. And then we have that more committed relationship where we're looking at them and going, could I make this work? Not, do I have to make this work? Could I really make this work for myself?

And could they make this work for themselves? And this is where the projections of your own fears and your own insecurities and unresolved problems are starting to come up. Not just the hopes and dreams, it's more of the deeper seated concerns. Attributing blame or responsibility. Where it probably doesn't belong onto your partner is another piece of this.

And if the partner doesn't match you where you want to be matched, or if they don't help you clean up that former family of origin projection, this is where you start to accuse them of, you're not in this anymore. You're not being loving, you're being distant. And that's not necessarily the case. It's that your partner, when we're doing this projection hot potato, they have the option to internalize the projection and then act as the person that you're accusing them of being. Or they have the option to just pull their screen up and be like, that's not my stuff.

That's on you. That really sounds like that's something to work out with your dad or your mom. Obviously, they don't word it that way, and they don't participate in the identification. They give it back to you, and then you have to sit with it and go, oh, that is my own stuff to work through once, if you can get through that part of the relationship, years three to five, that's where you have the patterns being established. Projective identification becomes more pronounced because you're falling into familiar roles.

If you haven't done the conscious work to decide what is a wife, what is a husband, what is a partner, what's the role of a child? And that's separate from what you grew up with. That's where you might fall into those older patterns. And that's usually where we see couples break up in those first five years because the level of expectation that they have differs so greatly from truly what they're wanting, but they're not doing the conscious work to get what they want instead of fall into what they don't want. A lot of relationships that do actually have a good prognosis end up foreclosing very quickly and then unfortunately backwards, we see the unhealthy or toxic relationships last.

Because if we grew up in a family system where that was modeled, our brain is like, no, but we should not like them. And we should be the couple that should have gotten divorced and is unhealthy. But we're together 40 years. It's like there's no badge, there's no award for dysfunction of 40 years. Like, I'd rather a child grow up and see two successful ten year relationships with two different people than one very dysfunctional 40 year relationship.

But you have to bring in culture and generational beliefs that get cast upon us. You know, don't get divorced or you have to get divorced. And I noticed that when I work with people who come from, I don't like to call it a broken family who come from families who had a rupture and maybe the repair was with another person, it wasn't with the original partner that they either are like, my parents got divorced. So I'll be damned if I ever get married. Or they are like, my parents got divorced.

I never want that. I want to dedicate my life to figure out how to prevent that. And they have a different outlook on marriage. So it can go either way. They feel that they're going to be doomed to repeat what they were shown, or they feel like they have the empowerment to prevent it from coming true in their own life.

Chase Kosterlitz
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Talia Bombola
You mentioned consciously asking or getting what you want out of the relationship. Can you talk about how we can do that? Some things that we can think about to take a conscious approach? Yeah, definitely. So when we're looking at making our wants and needs more available to be met in a relationship, that starts with doing our own inner work.

Sarah Kosterlitz
And this doesn't have to wait till you're in a relationship. In fact, it's better to get a jump on this before you're either seriously committed in those multi year relationships or you found a one. Or the one, depending on your philosophy. What are separate from being activated? Meaning, like, there's no person in your mind's eye that you're comparing this ideal partner to, what are your ideals?

What are your dreams and your hopes? We'll just go right to it. If you had the perfect partner, it's never going to happen. Spoiler alert. But if you had the perfect partner, who would they do?

Or who would they be? What would they do? How would they present? And on the opposite, what would they never do? What would they never make you feel?

Get a map. Like, kind of get a psychological map of yourself and then do the list again and go realistically, what would I. What am I really wanting in a relationship? What do I want to give? What do I want to get?

What am I hoping to receive? What do I want to provide? And on the opposite, what am I unwilling to give? What am I unwilling to put up with? Which means to interact with and still have and still have that conscious desire to be with the person.

We often mix that up with tolerating. Tolerating is to interact with and still have respect for tolerance. But we mix that up with, like, I'm putting up with this. Putting up with is truly the definition that we feel of, like, ugh, this again. Come up with those lists and then you'll have a different lens.

Consciously, which you see partners through. You won't be going on dates or relating. If you're in a relationship, you can still do this. You won't be doing it through that fantasy lens and that, well, they didn't do what my dream lover would do. Punish.

They didn't do what my dream lover would do. Withhold. Whatever our internal urges and defense mechanisms are, don't come out as much. They come out, but not as much because we're consciously going, oh, it's not just you. I want this from any partner.

And you look at your history and go, why have I settled for partners who have never given me this? And then ideally, you go to your own therapy or your own inner work and realize, oh, that's because it was either modeled to me or I was told along the way, I'll never be good enough or internalized along the way. I'll never be able to find somebody who's stable or emotional or what have you, because I'm too much or I'm dramatic. So going in and analyzing the narratives you have about yourself and the narratives you have about a dream partner or relationship, and a realistic partner in relationship helps you to make these things more conscious, and you can actually be in a real relationship with the person in front of you, rather than punitively acting in a way that your partner has no clue what they've done wrong. And spoiler alert, you have no clue what they've done wrong, either.

It just feels like you need to make them into somebody that they're not. And then finally, you can breathe. Can you talk a little bit about realistic expectations in a relationship? Because I think, you know, having a relationship advice podcast and just being interested in relationships, my Instagram algorithm is filled with all these therapist and these great quotes and everything, and I feel like there's a bit of a distorted idea about, like, how great our partner is going to be and make us feel. And can you speak to that a little bit?

Yeah. So expectations are something that you should do without me having to ask. And if you look at the definition of that next to realistic expectations, they're not congruent, because realistically you will have to ask and communicate for what you want and need. And like I said, over time, pattern recognition will allow you to not have to ask. So the realistic expectation, again, that definition of like, well, you should know how to do it without me having to ask.

You either find somebody who was raised in a similar way. Principles, morals, values, what have you, and they have the same quote, unquote common sense that you do. So if a friend was not feeling well growing up and you saw one or both parents drop soup and crackers off at their door, your internalized version of common sense when someone's sick is you drop soup off. It's just what you do, right? That's the quote that I hear in all my couples.

If you don't partner with somebody who also sees someone sick and goes, that's just what you do. Maybe they're, that's just what you do, is ignore them and maybe send a text or reach out after a week, you're going to fight with each other because you're looking at them and going, you're dumb. Why don't you have common sense? They're going to probably be looking at you in the same way of like, why don't you have common sense? Is not all that common.

It's not grown in the same garden. So you have to either, again, pick a partner who has already, from the starting line, very similar principles and common sense to you. Or if you're wanting those realistic expectations to be met, learning your own wants and needs, and then that's the first step. Then learning how to communicate them in a way that your partner feels incentivized to meet it. Not that they're only doing it to avoid punishment.

No one's motivated to get to zero. If the only motivation to get out of debt was that you would just be at zero, but you can never make money. Most people be like, screw that, I'm going to stay in debt. Like, there's no motivation. I'm not going to win.

So you have to word, how can you meet my want and need in a way that it also benefits you, either by getting more of what you want or avoiding what you don't like. So nagging often comes up in relationships. I'm sure it's come up with some of the people that have been on this podcast, at least from episodes that I listen to, get touched on. Nagging either comes from a place of I saw this model as how to get a need met. My parent was passive aggressive.

They never learned directly to ask for what they wanted. So I expect that is the tool I'm going to use to get my needs metal, when in reality, sometimes nagging isn't nagging, it's, you made an agreement with me. I told you what I expected. You agreed to what I expected. We have like kind of a handshake agreement and then I give you two weeks, a month if I'm generous.

I'm not seeing what you agreed to do or not do. I'm going to follow up with you. So it's not nagging, it's following up on a deal, just like you would in business. If you made an agreement with somebody or you paid for a service and they're not doing the service, you'd be like, we have a contract. What's going on here?

So starting to reframe a realistic expectation, you will have to probably ask more than once until it becomes a pattern. You'll have to ask in a way that incentivizes the person to give you what you want or need. And you have to understand, which is the whole core of the projective identification part. You're not what I expected. Unlike your parent, when you're a baby and it's your mom especially, you don't even know you're a separate self from her, at minimum for the first three months.

But really, we don't see rapprochement until like the year three. Infancy, mentally, is about years, you know, two and a half to three, where the child can go out in the world and be like, I'm my own self, but I can come back and get the refueling I need for my parent. And then slowly but surely, the amount of distance and space they take up is more and more. That's where their individuation occurs and they'll still ideally come back again. Barring any dysfunction in our romantic relationships, it's almost the inverse.

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Who's going to stay home? What do we want that to look like? Better to have that discussed. And even if it doesn't go according to plan, you could at least have some argument that you at least tried, rather than being like, well, I just expected that you would know. And then your partner's like, well, I expected that you would know that I was going to go, who's going to watch our imaginary kids?

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Talia Bombola
This is so valuable. And really the foundation of being in a successful relationship is understanding what it is that we want out of it and then being able to communicate that, not assuming our partner is going to read our mind or just because I was raised a certain way that they're going to do that thing that's like on a daily, minute by minute basis that's coming out and that's how we relate better. I want to touch on the motivation for our partner to meet our needs. Could you give a specific example of what that might look like so we. Often word needs in a way that our partner doesn't understand it's coming from us.

Sarah Kosterlitz
So we project onto inanimate objects that they have needs, and we ask indirectly, so women especially, instead of saying, could you please shut the window? Will be like, oh, it's a little chilly in here. And women will hear that and go, oh, I should shut the window and get her a blanket. And men are like, yeah, it is. And we're like, get off the couch.

And shut. We're, like, motioning with our eyes, like, shut the window. But in their brain, they're like, no, you just made a statement. You made an observational statement about the current temperature of this room, where, again, reading between the lines, women are like, you should know what that means. Now, again, over time, if you've developed some sort of code word with your partner that anytime you say, it's a little chilly, they should shut the window.

And you let them know when I say that, that's your cue to get up and shut the window. Reasonable expectation. When I say it, they will shut the window. Knowing how to ask for a need to be met. Nobody wants to have needs.

We think it makes us vulnerable. And back in cavemen times, it meant death. If you were too vulnerable, you died. That part of us primally still lives inside of us. So we don't want to be too needy, and we don't want to have needs, because that's a weakness.

And weakness equals, again, I will perish. My whole family line will die because I am cold is essentially where our brain goes. Learning how to be specific and saying what you need or what you're projecting the needs onto and being able to say, I need you to shut the window. I need you to take the trash out. I need you to pick up the kids, rather than, again, these observational statements.

School ends at 250 thumbs up. I can't tell you how many partners I've worked with. I'm a parent also, where they go back and forth and they're like, you didn't ask. And the partner is like, yes, I did. I told you they needed.

I told you when school ended. You didn't say you needed to pick me up. Don't you just know how to do that? And they get in this fight because I don't want to have to ask. I don't want to have to admit vulnerability is really what that's sometimes code for.

And I want you to just know, I want you to share in what society is now calling the mental load with me. It's unrealistic. To expect any partner to know what needs to be done unless it's been asked or trained. And that's where every couple gets to have those discussions of, I need this. I would like it done by this time.

Is there some sort of time constraint involved? What do you need or want from me for that to happen? Could you give me a reminder? And we're not talking about weaponized incompetence where you're all, you know, one partner always, I'm putting that in quotes. Has to give the other direction.

If it's our need, if it's our perceived need or want, it is in part on us to at least initiate the reminder for our partner. And I can't. I can give the example of growing up in your family. My mom did this. She.

She would when she load the dishwasher. Of course, there was a right way and a wrong way to load it, so none of us ever wanted to load it because she'd redo it anyway. So talk about your efforts being totally futile. We're like, what? What's the point of taking 30 minutes to do it if you're going to redo it?

She'd be like, it'd be. It'd be nice if somebody would put the sponges in the dishwasher before it would start. And again, observational statement. We'd be like, yeah, it would be nice. Next morning.

Why did nobody put the sponges in the dishwasher? Well, you didn't ask. Yes, I did. I said it would be nice. So I grew up with, in part, that being my template.

So I knew personally how annoying it was. Simply ask to be done. You have to be clear about, it's my want and need. This is coming from me. I want you to shut the window in what it represents for me.

Right. This is the incentive it represents for me, is that I matter and that you want to tend to me and nurture me, which makes me feel close to you. And when I feel close to you, I want to, whatever, be intimate with you. I want to cuddle you. I want to be physically intimate with you.

So then your partner understands. Oh, it's not just about the window. It rarely is about the actual thing we're asking. It's more so about what we are asking represents in terms of how we matter to our partner, if we matter to them and how much we matter. Not everybody is built this way.

Obviously. There's differences and partners. There's also some gender differences in translation of tasks and items and desires. It's up to us. To narrate that for our partner and share.

And not again saying it in a way of criticism. Well, when you don't do this, this is how I feel, then your partner is going to be like, okay, but what do you want me to do instead? Unbelievable. And now I have to tell you what I actually want instead. We could cut all of that out by just jumping right to there, leading exactly with what we want and what it would mean to us if it gets done, rather than here's what's going to happen if you don't.

Which again, most of us were parented by punishment, not by this positive parenting encouragement and reward. It was speak when spoken to. Do what I ask you to do. And if you have any questions, don't. We're like, okay, thanks.

Talia Bombola
I love these examples. And a lot of what you're saying are related to tasks. And one of the things I'm thinking about is also to apply that to just how it feels good to be loved and related to. If it feels really good to be just hugged when you're in the kitchen and share that with your partner, identify that with yourself. Or maybe your partner just does it occasionally, positively reinforce that.

Say, hey, I really love when you just give me a hug at the end of a long day. It feels really good and it makes me feel super loved. And I find it's not our default. We're not taught to do this, really. Just can lead to more relationship fulfillment, more love.

You're just going to feel better and it's really a skill that you have to cultivate. Just even as I'm saying this, I'm like, it's a good reminder to constantly be doing that. Obviously you don't want it to be passive aggressive, you don't want it to be overbearing or controlling or anything like that, but just to positively reinforce. Or it's just like, hey, I really love and appreciate when you pick up the kids from soccer practice. I know that's not the most fun thing to do.

And thank you for that. And that gratitude, that acknowledgement, that practice so important to a thriving relationship, I. Feel so when we're looking at what we want more of in our relationship is on the other side of us asking for it. So what we appreciate appreciates meaning. It grows and it's human condition.

Sarah Kosterlitz
Like, this is why yelp exists when our expectations are extremely exceeded. Five stars. This is the best meal ever. I want this. If I ever had to go to prison as my last meal.

One star. This was garbage. How could this chef call themselves a chef. You're doing it out of, this was great, or, this was terrible. Most people don't talk about, like, three stars.

Those were okay tacos. I'd probably go again. So we have this inner balance of what we like, we shouldn't have to appreciate, because, again, that common sense thing. Oh, they just know that this is great. I don't even have to say thank you for it.

Look at us. This twinning mirror. Like, they already know me. We only point out the one stars of, like, this is garbage. Why would you do this?

And your partner's like, okay, but look at all the other nice things I did for you. And we're like, don't try to detract what this. We get in these conflicts that are, in those senses, unnecessary. They're not getting to the point. So if you appreciate what you want more of, I'm not saying don't ever bring up what you don't like.

There's a place for that. I'm saying separate from that, everything that your partner does that you like say thank you. And people are probably like, that's so patronizing. I'm not saying go in and be like, who's a good boy for doing the dishes? Like, don't do that, but just be like, thanks for doing the dishes.

Thanks for making the bed. Thanks for picking up the kids. Just thanks for behavior. Notice how your relationships start to change when that appreciation comes up. Totally.

Talia Bombola
It's such a valuable practice that. Yeah. Again, this is just a great reminder to leave some three star reviews daily. But it's so true. I love the fact that my girlfriend and I reinforce it, but she says, you know, she's like, thank you.

And it's just she's. When the first time I was like, hey, I really love that you always say thank you and you acknowledge she didn't even really even notice she was doing that and kind of wrote it off. And I'm like, no, but that's important, and I appreciate that. So this is a great reminder for myself and for our listeners. Talia, I really appreciate today's conversation.

Before we wrap wrap up, can you tell our listeners where they could find you online and if there's anything you want to leave them with, and then we'll say goodbye. Yeah. So my main platform I'm the most active on is Instagram, so it's just my first and last name, taliabombola. I'm working slowly on. I used to have a media manager who helped me with TikTok and, like, YouTube I'm trying to get on those platforms, but I'm having a five month old like my whole world is her.

Sarah Kosterlitz
So I'm like, I'll get to it eventually. Which is still true. So I'm most active on Instagram and if people want more of kind of this dialogue, I have my own podcast that they can find through that page if they're curious to listen to more of these topics. I also teach a relationship class where we dive really in depth to a lot of these concepts of we touched on them today, but like the how, why it happens and how to get out of it that's on my instagram. The little link in bio.

I would say that would probably be what I would leave listeners with. And I try to do a weekly q and a. Obviously, I can't cover everything in whatever 90 seconds the Instagram limit is, but I try my best to answer the questions of the people. So I'm happy to give any other information that I have that would be of use to your listeners. We will have those links in our show notes and on our website.

Talia Bombola
And thanks for taking the time to come on the show. Thank you for having me. Thank you guys so much for tuning into today's episode. As always, all the links to the guest as well as any of their recommendations will be in the show notes page. You can find the link to that in the episode description or by going to idopodcast.com.

Chase Kosterlitz
click on the podcast tab up at the top and you will have access to all the episodes that we've ever done. There are over 300 of them. And while you're on our website, if you haven't checked out our free 14 day happy couple challenge, we really hope you do. It's a free email challenge that we send to you. It's 14 days of fun, easy, doable challenges to help strengthen and improve your relationship.

And if you're looking for something that provides a little more help with working on your relationship, whether it's improving into missy or communication with your partner, or just bringing the spark back, we would love for you guys to check out our online course, sparkmyrelationship. We're offering $100 off to all of our listeners if you go to sparkmyrelationship.com unlock. We worked with over 15 psychologists and therapists to create the real life tools and strategies that they are teaching their clients, so we wanted to give them to you. It's a self paced online course that can be done in as little as a month or up to three months. You can really decide how much or how little you want to do with your partner or maybe just yourself.

So we hope you guys check that out. It's sparkmyrelationship.com unlock. Have a great day.

Sarah Kosterlitz
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