Dave Asprey Part 2: Best Diet for Acne, Ozone Therapy, Detoxing From Mold, Toxic Fragrances, Fertility Tips

Dave Asprey
Anything with your laundry stuff, your dish soap. If it has a fragrance that you can smell, it is directly hacking your endocrine system, and it's not. Okay. This is the pursuit of wellness podcast, and I'm your host, Mari Llewellyn.

Mari Llewellyn
Hi, guys. Welcome to part two with Dave Asprey. We cover a lot of amazing topics in this part two. I know you guys are accustomed to having a solo episode with me every Thursday, but this episode was just too good and too long to put into one. So make sure you stay tuned.

If you haven't listened to part one yet, highly recommend that you do. It is the perfect start to this episode, and we cover a lot of the basics you need to know, so make sure you go back. Why do you think I have acne? I need. I'm stuck on that now.

Dave Asprey
You have acne because you're a bad person. Okay. Clip that.

It has nothing to do with that. I had the worst acne when I was younger, and even as an adult, I would just get these, like, subterranean, like, really deep pimples that would just take a long time to come out. And your face is all red, and I get the little ones. Acne comes from systemic inflammation. Right.

And assuming you're not eating french fries and things like that. Haven't eaten a french fry in five. Years, tell me about the kinds of plants you eat when you're not doing carnivore. Okay, I'll talk you through my day. Cause I pretty much eat the same thing every day.

Mari Llewellyn
So beef, ground beef, or steak? Grass fed for breakfast with strawberries, blueberries, or raspberries. Okay, cut out the raspberries and the strawberries. I'll tell you why later. Okay, just keep the blueberries.

Lunch is a salad. What's in the salad? Butter, lettuce, red onion, sometimes tomatoes, sometimes kale. I know what you're gonna say about kale. I'm feeling triggered right now.

Beef again. Grass fed beef. And then I'll do balsamic olive oil. I use Brian Johnson's olive oil. That's good.

Olive oil, mustard. And then I do one protein bar a day. What's in it? It's a raw bar. Rawr.

And it's got almond butter, dark chocolate. I know. That's my little treat. Okay. 20 grams of protein, apparently.

And then dinner is almost always a steak with sweet potato. There you go. I was right. I know what it is. Tell me.

Dave Asprey
Okay. Are you familiar with oxalates? I've heard the term, but I'm not quite sure what it means. It turns out this is more important than I recognized when I wrote the bulletproof diet. When you are a plant, you can't run away.

Mari Llewellyn
Yeah. Because you have roots. So then you put in all these different defense compounds. Oxalates are a very common one. And what oxalates do when we eat them is they seek out calcium in your tissues.

Dave Asprey
They bind to the calcium and form razor sharp crystals that everything I'm saying now is referenced in studies. They cause direct harm to mitochondrial membranes. They cause neurological inflammation. They cause skin inflammation very, very commonly. Right.

They also cause vulvodynia. They're a major cause of interstitial cystitis. And the list goes on and on and on, including sore back, old injuries, hurting when you wake up in the morning, it's because they're crusted with razor sharp calcium oxalate crystals. The human body can eliminate 200 milligrams of oxalate maximum per day if you're eating super high oxalate foods. And of the ones you just mentioned, almonds are a massive trigger.

Raspberries are a massive trigger, followed by chocolate, followed by kale. And the reason I had you pull raspberries is they're not that high enough. Not raspberry. The reason I had you pull strawberries, they're not that high in oxalate, but they're usually high in histamine. And when you have oxalates in your diet, they trigger a histamine response in your skin.

And if you're eating a high histamine food, like raspberries, super fresh, fine. But if they're frozen and mushy or whatever, you gotta be careful with them. You're gonna find that when you cut out that bar that has the chocolate and the almonds and you toss out. I'm sad. Toss out the raspberries.

You won't miss them that much. Hi. I have helped so many people with this because you're probably getting, I would guess, 600 milligrams, which is three times what your body can eliminate. And because, like me, you are healthy. I used to eat tons of these.

Oh, I forgot. Sweet potatoes. Major source of oxalate and white potatoes. Also, there's a reason I. No, potato is.

Mari Llewellyn
Okay. You'll probably at least to test it out. Some people tolerate potatoes. Okay. Some people don't because of lectins, but oxalates are high in potatoes.

Dave Asprey
They're just higher in sweet potatoes. So do you prefer rice? I feel great when I eat rice. White or brown? I don't like either.

Mari Llewellyn
I'm a white rice, girl. Okay. Brown rice is gross and bad for you. So we can just say that. I've seen the clip.

I've seen the clip. Sorry, that's just how it is. I never eat. I don't like brown rice. No one likes brown rice.

No. Doesn't taste good like you. Just people who eat brown rice traditionally is because they couldn't afford white rice. Right. So now somehow we trick ourselves.

Dave Asprey
I just put rocks on my shoes instead. Cause if you wanna suffer, that's cheaper. Just saying. What's your favorite carb sauce? White rice.

Mari Llewellyn
Okay, so you're not a potato guy. No. Potatoes have a lot of lectins. And I am sensitive to the nightshade family, so some people are not sensitive to potatoes. My daughter can eat potatoes.

Dave Asprey
My son has my genetics. He can't eat potatoes. Right. Or at least if he does, he gets the same symptoms I do, which is arthritis in your knees and your back and your neck. Where does your family originate from?

We're mostly northern european mix of a bunch of stuff. Cause I have this theory that because I'm from the UK, my ancestors were eating potatoes and meat. I hate to tell you this, unless you're peruvian. Your ancestors were not eating potatoes. What were they eating for carbs?

They didn't have a lot of carbs, but it would have actually been wheat. Right? Or like turnips. I love a good turnip. Or a parsnip.

There you go. Turnips and parsnips. You look at what actually grew there. Potatoes were an import from South America and a very recent import. Even tomatoes, which you might need to cut out.

But for you, I don't think it's lectins. I think it's oxalates. And of course, kale should be on your oxalate list, too. Okay, so use arugula instead of kale. I love arugula.

Better for you, it costs the same. And Kale's gross, period. So what you're going to do is just for two weeks and cut out those plants and eat the blueberries, eat the butter lettuce, have an avocado, up to an avocado a day, probably not more than that. So I'm not saying plants are bad for you. I eat plants most days.

I am not carnivore. I just make sure I get adequate animal protein. And you feel better when you do that. But this morning I broke a 36 hours fast. I had 80 grams of animal protein.

Blueberries and sheep yogurt and a mango. Right? So I'm pretty sure that I'm not carnivore. I love it. So I also want to ask you about ozone therapy.

Yay. We talked about this before we were recording because as I was researching for this interview, I went down a deep, dark hole spiral of ozone therapy because I'm obsessed with cleansing myself of these, you know, toxins. Technically, I don't have mold or candida any longer in my lab work, but I do still have staph. What's the full word for it? Staph.

Mari Llewellyn
Cocculus or something. Yeah, it's a. Staph is just a bacteria. It forms a biofilm. Okay.

Dave Asprey
Okay. And I want to do ozone therapy. Okay. But I don't fully understand what it does or what it is, but I do have a treatment tomorrow, so. Awesome.

Is your first one? Yeah. Okay. Ozone therapy is something I wrote a lot about in my longevity book. Believe it or not, ozone is just oxygen with an extra oxygen stuck to it.

And it smells like that after a rainstorm or like an electrical smell. You don't want to breathe ozone. It is irritating the lung tissue. But if you inject ozone into your blood vessels or. And you only inject it with a doctor because they usually take your blood out, mix it, and put it back in.

Or if you introduce it rectally, vaginally, through the ear canals, or even in a steam sauna where your head is not breathing ozone, your body will absorb it like it would absorb oxygen when it goes into your body. It has a direct antimicrobial effect. But the most important thing it does is it wakes up mitochondria throughout the body and reminds them they have to be able to make their own antioxidants, like glutathione. So years and years ago, this was kind of a fringe therapy. It was really perfected in Cuba, because we've had a pharmaceutical blockade against Cuba for decades.

So since people there don't like to be sick, they just made ozone therapy work. It turns out we used to use ozone therapy before we had antibiotics. This goes back in the history of things. So with ozone, because it has these broad spectrum effects on healing, it'll heal infections that you cannot heal. Otherwise, you can put ozone in a bag over a diabetic ulcer.

That won't heal. It'll heal. Add some red light, it'll heal faster. Right. And it'll stop infections that would otherwise require really big antibiotic treatments, including things like blood poisoning.

So it's really powerful. And when I discovered it, though I didn't discover ozone therapy but when I discovered it from my own uses, it's because I ran a longevity non profits in the Bay Area. And one of our members was an 88 year old doctor and actually not doctor, dentist. And he said, dad, why don't you come to my dental practice and I'll show you ozone? And I didn't realize that I had mold back then.

I just knew my mitochondria were broken. Things weren't right, and I was just getting my energy back. So I went to his practice, and he says, oh, that room that's full of people with cancer? He's like, I'm not really allowed to be treating them for cancer. But, you know, I'm old, and what are they gonna do to take my license?

And so he walked me into the other room and he said, buy this kind of ozone machine. And at this point, there's a couple episodes of the Human upgrade, my podcast, where I go through ozone therapy and how to do it. But what he did is buy this machine and then basically stick it in your butt so you can do this at home. And it's very affordable. The machines run about $1,000.

A bottle of welding oxygen, which is the same as medical oxygen, will run, I think, $50, and it lasts a very long time. I have one in my bathroom, like, next to the toilet. So if I'm like, oh, if I want ozone therapy, like, after a flight or if something's off in my GI tract or just my brain is foggy, you take a tiny hose, it's smaller than a pencil, and you stick it in the part of your body that you probably should be suntanning. And then you. I snuck that in there.

Mari Llewellyn
My husband's a fan of the butthole sonic. Is he? Yeah. Oh, my God. Or red light.

He does it in front of the red light. Okay. They both maybe work. I was in the New York Post for biohacker, bro. Burns bun.

Dave Asprey
Burns bum. That was not the title. It was. The news cracks me up. It's, well, the New York Post.

Right. But they picked up some humor post I did about it, of course. But anyway, whether or not you sign your butthole putting ozone in it, there's really good systemic effects that are almost as good as the intravenous. So iv is relatively expensive. Yeah.

And it's invasive. And I don't know about you, but sticking a needle in your arm is more invasive than sticking something very tiny in your butt. Neither one is my favorite, but I'm. Down for the butt one. But what's confusing me is the at home setup because I started to look into it and I called myself functional medicine doctor and she was explaining it to me and I just got super overwhelmed.

Mari Llewellyn
So I was like, let me start with going in for the iv. Oh, yeah, start there. But there's a blog post on, on my site about how to do it. It's really easy. I don't have to go to like a welding place.

Dave Asprey
Do you have to just buy some oxygen? Yeah, that's fine. Well, you just go to the welding place and say, I need a small bottle of welding oxygen. And if they say, why you say, so? I can weld.

Mari Llewellyn
Oh, because I'm a welder? Yeah. If you say because I'm going to stick it on my butt, then they won't give it to you. Okay. Okay.

Good thing you told me. Yeah. No, the local guys in town once thought I was gonna do something health wise. I'll tell them. I know you.

Dave Asprey
No, no, don't do that. Okay. I'm like. Cause I'm just. I'm a very active welder.

I have this whole art thing in my bag. It's for burning man. Like, you guys should see it. It's epic. I don't use an electric welder for whatever.

I only use oxygen. But that's fine.

Mari Llewellyn
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Dave Asprey
So that's how you do it. And once you have it, it's good for probably a year. And just, you never want to breathe it because it'll make you cough and it's not good for your lungs. But then it's just, it takes two minutes, put a little thing in, turn it on two minutes later. I usually.

I've done Instagram lives while it's going in, it's not uncomfortable. I just hashtag reverse fart. Like, that's what it is. Love it. Okay.

Mari Llewellyn
Love. Now, the systemic effects are profound. So when I had toxic mold and this dentist taught me how to do it, I went home and I bought the gear, and I started doing it. And the first day I did this, I had 1 minute of mental clarity where I felt like myself. And I was like, oh, my God.

Dave Asprey
Like the curtains parted, I could see the sun. And the second day, I had two minutes, and I just kept doing it every night. And over the course of a year, my chronic fatigue syndrome went away. Now, that's not the only thing I did. I've done lots of other things.

You have to get rid of the metals. You need to bind the toxins. In your case, the staph is making a toxin that's pretty similar to a mold toxin. Staph makes lipopolysaccharides, which are fat soluble toxins that cause systemic inflammation. Mold makes fat soluble toxins that are not polysaccharides, but they're still fat soluble.

So for both of them, you need to be binding the toxins, which is usually activated charcoal, bentonite, clay, and sometimes a medical substance called cholestyramine. Don't do all of these every day because especially cholestyramine will take out your vitamin dake. Do you know about vitamin Dake? Vitamindake.com dash. It's a specific mix of vitamin d.

Real vitamin a, not plant based vitamin a, which doesn't work. Vitamin k two, which is from animals, because that's what works. It doesn't work when it's k one from kale, and then a specific form of vitamin e, not the synthetic stuff. You take this every day? I do.

I actually take three of them every day because I have poor vitamin D. Genetics. Okay. I have poor vitamin a. Genetics.

Oh, cool. So then you need extra. Yeah, there you go. I'm taking kidney every day I take a chunk of kidney. That'll help.

But if you take too many organs, your purine levels go up, and that's not good for you. So I'm a huge fan of 1oz of organs a day and not more. It's like this much. That's probably frozen. It's probably about an ounce, but it's not gonna have enough vitamin a in it.

Mari Llewellyn
So I need to take the dake too. Yeah. Vitamindake.com. Okay. Did you write that down?

Thank you. I'm gonna have a lot of things to buy after this. I'm happy to help.

Dave Asprey
Let's see. Do you think ozone therapy would help with acne? It really does help with acne because it helps to fix the microbiome. You can also take that same ozone machine and make ozonated water when you drink the water. It helps with the upper parts of the GI tract.

Mari Llewellyn
So iv is not the only way? It's not the only way. Okay. It's a very deep, systemic way. I like iv ozone therapy, but if you're on a budget or you're on a time budget, it takes like, ten minutes, the whole process.

Dave Asprey
And you put some ozone in your butt. Walk around for a while, you're probably gonna have to visit the bathroom, and everything's fine. Okay, so maybe I need to figure that out. Why don't you see how you feel after the iv, and you'll go, oh, my energy came back. You feel different.

Your brain wakes up in a really beautiful way from ozone. Okay, so ozone is one of the technologies for treating mold. But let's talk about what mold really does, going back to the beginning of our conversation. We have the mold spores themselves floating around, the fragments of spores, immune dysregulation. Then we have the mold toxins, the mycotoxins themselves.

Guess what else mold does when you live with it? It moves in and it lives inside your body. Aspergillosis is really common in the lungs, which is aspergillus, a black mold. It's also exceptionally common in your sinuses. And when mold is present in your sinuses, it causes the strep and staph bacteria to become highly aggressive, because mold makes antibiotics.

Bacteria hate antibiotics, so now they're fighting. So they both militarize in your sinuses, which is right next to your brain. And the way they militarize is by making more of these lipopolysaccharide toxins that go into your brain and cause inflammation and make you tired. They also inflame your skin, but I think your skin is coming from the plants you're eating. So we have this going on.

And no wonder you have brain fog. So sometimes you heal mold, and then you have to go into the sinuses, and there's a couple different nasal sprays that will get rid of the biofilms that are formed. But let's say you've bound all the mold toxins in your body. You've moved, you've thrown away all your moldy belongings that you couldn't clean, and you're eating food that's low and mold even. But if you still have symptoms, it's really common.

It's because you're generating mold toxins in the body. And there's a guy, I'm going to think of his name in a second here. His name is Andrew Wakefield, and not the one that's famous for all the pandemic stuff. This guy has been practicing mold medicine for 40 years, and he runs a company called mymicolab.com. dot.

That's m y c o lab. He's got some aggressive protocols that work better than anything I've seen. What he'll tell you and what I believe to be true now that I don't have any business relationship other than that. I paid him for a test, and he explained some stuff. I know a lot about mold.

He explained a couple of things I didn't know. Mold grows in your interstitial tissues. That means between the cells in your body. So he said, look, just go on an antifungal drug, but don't just take it for a week like you did. Take it for six months until you're done.

And he said, the average patient takes six and sometimes nine months of taking sporinox every single day. And I did this. And for people who've had mold, remember at the beginning, I said, if you walk into a moldy room, you feel like you're going to die. When I moved to Austin, I lived in a house that had 42 water leaks that I didn't know about. It was full of mold.

I lived in it for four months. What do you think happened to my health? Deteriorated? Nothing. Oh.

Mari Llewellyn
Cause you're on spornox, huh? Cause I've actually. I've been on sporinox before. That. It heals you.

So you're not anti pharmaceutical drugs. You would have to be stupid to be anti pharmaceutical drugs. Okay. Like the difference between olive oil and a pharmaceutical drug. Let's think about this.

Dave Asprey
Someone picked a massive amount of olives, way more than you could ever pick, and they processed them via some industrial process of squeezing. Right. And sometimes they do other stuff besides squeezing. Right. And now you have this concentrated extract of things that has a biological effect you would never get from eating olives.

So why do we not look at the downside and upside of olive oil? It has both. So does butter, so does beef, so does kale. Right. There's good stuff in kale.

It's just smaller than. So if you're saying, well, I don't look at anything pharmaceutical, that's the same as a vegan saying, I will never eat a plant or carnivore. Sorry. A vegan say, I'll never eat beef, or a carnivore saying, I'll never eat a plant. Dude, look at each substance as the sum of its good stuff, and it's bad stuff.

There are some drugs that are life saving. There are some drugs that will get you out of chronic fatigue. There are some drugs that will kill mold in a way that no natural compound will do. And you could choose to suffer, or you could say, I'm going to use the most effective tool, and I'm not going to be biased one way or the other. I'm just going to be aware of the risks.

Spornox. Very, very slight risk of taxing the liver, which you can counter with glutathione if you're worried about it. Other than that, you can look at the side effects of it. You can look at the pro side of it. But what I like about my mycolabella is they give you a test that tells you, do you have mold?

Do you have an immune response to mold or an immune response to mycotoxins, which then guides what they tell you to do. Is staph a mycotoxin? Staph is a bacteria. Does sparnox help? Something like staph?

No. Okay, so that's specifically mold. But ozone really helps with staph. Do you know where your staph is? No.

Mari Llewellyn
I mean, I found it in a stool test. Okay, so it's probably some Gi stuff, but I, uh. Well, actually, there's some forms of stuff that aren't even that bad that can be in your gut. Do you know if it was a bad form or a good form? I think it was a bad form.

Dave Asprey
So ozone in the butt? Ozone in the butt. And maybe some oregano oil. That would be really good. Okay, that'll probably solve that problem.

Mari Llewellyn
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Also, you mentioned glutathione, which I have been injecting once a week. Can you just clarify? Everyone's obsessed with the liposomal glutathione. Does that actually work? Does it need to be injected?

Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Let me walk you through the glutathione story, okay? Back in the nineties, there was a doctor named Tim Guilford who launched the first liposomal glutathione on the market. I know him well because he's the guy, when I was going to him, who said, Dave, I don't know what's wrong with you, but you don't heal like all of my patients are supposed to heal.

Dave Asprey
I'm going to get an HIV test for you because I don't think you have HIV. You don't have any of the risk factors, but your immune system just won't function right. And when, of course, that came back negative, he ran a mold allergy test, and it showed I was allergic to eight of the top ten toxic molds. And that was actually the spark that led me to understand mold. He also did glutathione iv's for me all the time.

And then he said, hey, I got tired of doing iv's. I made this liposomal form, and I made this because your body digests glutathione. It comes into the stomach, your enzymes break it apart. You cannot get anything out of it, but liposomes are little balls of fat. And you put the glutathione inside it, and then it sticks to the wall of the gut, and it soaks in through the wall, and it escorts the glutathione in.

This is a technique stolen from pharmaceuticals, by the way. They invented liposomal delivery systems, and then Tim and guys like him used it for glutathione. So, um, that he's why I'm aware of glutathione. I was very early on that, on that train, and I actually made the first dry liposomes for glutathione when I was running bulletproof before they let me go years ago. So what's uh, what's interesting there is.

If it's not liposomal, it's not going to work. There's a new form called I think s acetyl. If I'm remembering right, that allegedly works, but I haven't tested it. Okay. That would be for oral, the most effective glutathione, besides injecting it.

You want to guess what it is? Up the butt? Yes. Why is it all up the butt? It's just, I saw it on TikTok.

It's gotta be true.

It's because they call the colon the third lung. And during certain kinds of surgery, they'll put oxygen in it and it just absorbs very, very well there. So there are some compounds, even melatonin. In fact, there's a company who makes a melatonin and glutathione suppository. And it just absorbs better.

Strangely, and this is important for listeners, your skin will let you absorb things way better than swallowing them a lot of the time. There's another company that makes a nano sized glutathione spray that absorbs almost instantly and raises your intracellular levels. Now, this should scare you, because remember earlier I said mycotoxins can absorb through the skin, soak in the endocrine disrupting chemicals in your axe body spray or in that expensive lotion that says fragrances on the label. Literally, if it says artificial fragrances, you never use it again. If it says parabens, you never use it again.

Because that's why your testosterone is low. That's why your hormones are dysregulated. I used to use when I was younger and I was first diagnosed with low testosterone, my doctor prescribed a testosterone cream. This is just like a little score, like a teaspoon of the stuff, right? And it absorbs best through the perineum, but that's, like, weirdly greasy.

So it also absorbs in the armpit. That's the same amount of deodorant you would put on. And it absorbs into the body enough to raise my testosterone levels from, like, 160 up to 900. That's how powerful the skin is. So if it won't be something that's safe for me, I'm gonna say that again.

If it's not something that's safe for me to swallow, I am not putting on my skin. So I'm really selective that way because the skin absorbs as well as the gut. And I hope the women are listening right now because we talk a lot about fertility on the show, and you've written a book on fertility. So, and we use a lot of products. We have a lot of makeup.

Mari Llewellyn
We use the deodorant, the body lotion. Wow. I went through that in the fertility book. I'm like, look, the hair dye you're using probably isn't good. So there's like a, about a three to six month window before you get pregnant where you can set your body up for massive success.

Dave Asprey
And when I wrote that book, if you were 30, you were going, I hope I don't get pregnant or get someone pregnant, because it was a risk. My friends who are 30 today, they're saying, I hope I can get pregnant. And they're freezing their eggs. We've had a massive shift in fertility. People worry about there being too many people on the planet.

Look around. The number of babies we're having is way lower than the replacement rate. So if we don't do the longevity thing, that's my main focus at upgrade Labs. If we don't do longevity now, we'll have empty cities 25 years from now. We'll just have a bunch of old people who can't get around and can't remember their names.

And I'm not going to be one of those. I don't want anyone to be one of those. So that means if you want to have kids, you want to prepare ahead of time. Give us your top tips for fertility in that three month window. Well, in that three month window, let me provide another resource to you.

So betterbabybook.com dot I wrote this book in 2011. It's how I restored fertility with my former wife, who's a medical doctor, and Ann Shippie, MD, who's local here in Austin, just launched her preconception program that is very well constructed. She's one of my favorite alternative med functional doctors who does mold and does environmental toxins and fertility. What was her name? Annshippimd.com a n n.

And what you'll find is, whether it's her recommendations or the ones from the better baby book, reducing endocrine disruptors, reducing toxins, getting rid of fragrances, getting rid of like air freshener plugins, anything with your laundry stuff, your dish soap, if it has a fragrance that you can smell, it is directly hacking your endocrine system. And it's not okay. Your hair care products, you can have nice hair from natural products. You just have to find the ones that work for you. So you go through and you eliminate those.

And what Ann does and what I recommend if you can afford it, is doing some basic lab testing do you have enough minerals? You could go on things like vitamin D and minerals 101 from that same website to make sure you just have adequate basic minerals. But getting lab tests is good. She goes deeper on her lab tests. You should get a thyroid test, because this is for the man and the woman, by the way, both.

If you have low thyroid, your energy thermostat is low, and that means it's harder to have the energy it takes to have healthy eggs and healthy sperm to have a baby. And you should get a hormone test. So once those are lined up, are you getting enough protein and are you getting enough for the woman, especially fish oil in the form of dhA? People don't know this, but the reason that men are attracted to women with thighs and hips and a butt is because women store dha in their fatty tissues in those areas. This is an omega three oil that baby brains need to grow.

Right. And this is also why first children are usually higher IQ than second children, because the mother donates all of her mineral reserves and all of her DHA reserves to the baby to ensure the next generation survives. It's also why women used to eat their placenta, which is good for you, but sounds gross to me. You can get it in capsules, but if you do this stuff, like taking enough supplements before pregnancy and the right ones during pregnancy and then after, you're much less likely to get postpartum depression, and you're more likely to have a healthier baby without immune issues, and you're unlikely to have pregnancy complications. My kids, one was born at 39 and one at 42, in a woman who is diagnosed as being infertile because of pcos.

Six years before we had the kids, there was no IVF and no pharmaceuticals. You can do this. Wow. So I talk a lot about fertility on the show. Cause my husband and I have, you know, we wanna have a baby, and we have been on fertility protocols for IVF.

Mari Llewellyn
Not IVF. No, we haven't done that. Just, like, holistic. Oh, good, good. But we kind of are checking all those boxes.

Dave Asprey
Oh, you should totally talk to Ann. She's here in town. I know. I'm thinking I'm gonna go contact her. I can introduce you if you want.

Mari Llewellyn
Cause I'd really like to avoid the other ways. You know, IVF is really challenging on the woman's body. Yeah, it's also challenging on relationships. I mean, all of my friends who've been through it, they just talk about these horrible mood swings. And it's not like you choose to have a mood swing.

Dave Asprey
It just like your reality changes, right? Yeah. So. And if you find that that's the only path, then do it. Usually there's another path.

You just have to know where the blockages are. My former wife had been vegan. She way overtrained and had no body fat and almost no thyroid hormone, so. Okay. And then she had pcos as a result of oxalates, because.

Drum roll. Oxalates also are raised by toxic mold and by candida. So if you're eating oxalates and you've had mold, you have oxalate burden, and it takes sometimes several years of low oxalate diet and having more lemon juice to slowly eliminate oxalates, because they build up over time. Yeah. And that can also affect fertility directly, because you can get oxalates in the reproductive tract, and then it makes it harder for it to work in men and women.

Mari Llewellyn
Wow. Okay. I could literally ask you a million questions, but I should probably wrap it up. Are you wearing an aura ring? I am.

Do you like it? Kinda. Kinda? I like it because I don't have to wear a watch, and I don't like watches. Yeah.

I feel the same way. And I also don't have to charge it very often. I was an advisor to aura when they first got going, and it's the most convenient form factor. Yeah. I have some questions about the.

Dave Asprey
About the accuracy of the data, and there's two companies that have given me pause for this. One is called sleep space. This is a sleep doctor who's been on my show, who actually wrote a new algorithm that's better than this and has an app for that. But the one I'm most excited about now will be at the biohacking conference. And it's a company called Irable, like Ear.

It's a headband that you wear that is an exact replica of a hospital sleep study. This is out of Oxford University. $10 million of funding. Like, this is really solid tech. I will tell you that my hospital grade data doesn't look very much like my oura ring data, really?

But I love my oura ring, because my oura ring tells me a bunch of stuff, including heart rate variability, that's really useful, and it's effortless. And I don't wear my headband every night, but I wear my aura every night. So I look at my aura as, like, a health partner that gives me good data. And I know that the total amount of deep and rem sleep that I get from aura might not be as accurate as I want. But I know that if it went up or down.

Mari Llewellyn
Yes. Then I'm going in the right direction. So that's great. But it's not as accurate as saying irrivable where you really know what's going on. So what I like to do is have the irritable and then correlate the two and understand how do I feel when I had really had, you know, 30 minutes of REM, that is what the EEG on my head from Earbull says, versus 90 minutes from my ring.

Dave Asprey
So you can fool the ring, but you can't fool the brain sensors. I would be curious to try the headband because I have a ridiculously high hrV, but it does, like, nice. I can see it go up and down when I drink alcohol or when I cold plunge, but it's generally over 200 every night. Wow. I know.

Mari Llewellyn
So it's my biggest flex. You know, it's. It's a flex. It's. It's a good flex.

Dave Asprey
There are different ways of calculating heart rate variability. There's slightly different equations. And so the company called Heartmath, I think, has the most accurate things. They don't do sleep monitoring, and I've worked with them since 2008. And you might want to get their heart rate variability sensor that goes on your ear and then learn how to train your heart rate variability and see if it matches if it does.

Awesome. Otherwise, there may be an equation based on the low heart rate. You probably have a low heart rate. There's some corner cases where it might read higher than it should. Could probably also ask aura why the algorithm is showing that there might be a reason.

They do have some customer service stuff. They're so exclusive. They'll also be at the biohacking conference, I think, and I'm pretty sure they'll be there. And it's like, would I rather wear an aura or a headband all the time? I want the cause.

I'm getting data right now, so it's the lowest annoyance form factor there's ever been. It's a miracle of engineering. It's stylish, right? So I wear that, and sometimes I wear my irable because I want really hardcore data. And the combination for me has been amazing.

You mentioned earlier that you had borderline personality disorder. Part of that disorder, as well as a lot of other ones, is including bipolar, it's circadian disruption. And there's a reason I make Truedark, which is the glasses I'm wearing now. That was my next question. We have glasses.

We actually filed a patent on that. We're about to release a study that shows that 15 minutes of wearing them, it causes the brain to go into the same state as advanced meditation. It's like noise canceling headphones for your eyes. And it's called Truedark. It's truedark.com dot.

It's one of my smaller companies. It doesn't change my life if you do or don't get some. I just like to talk about cool stuff. And these are glasses that are red. There's other companies that make red glasses, but no one does this because if you wear these in the evening, they take out all four colors of light that disrupt sleep and a couple other variables.

And you just wear them. I don't get jetlag anywhere on the planet. You wear them at night and you just chill out and you get much higher quality sleep. So for people with any of the various brain dysfunctions, and certainly Asperger's, ADHD, all that kind of stuff, just calming the brain down with appropriate light at night before you go to bed. In studies, just blocking the light that comes around your curtains.

69% less chance of depression in a study of 800 people in Japan. So darkness matters. And you can get glasses that mimic darkness even though you can still see. And that's what true dark is all about. That's why it's called true dark.

Mari Llewellyn
Do you wear them when you record? Because of the lights in here? Yeah. These glasses, these are the ones we designed for daytime. They block only the toxic blue light because it turns out if you wear blue blockers during the day, they'll mess you up.

Dave Asprey
Blue wakes you up. Right. Blue is necessary for your body to know that it's morning in the middle of the day. But we never get exposed to blue light below 490 nm. So what are these doing?

They're blocking the bad blue and allowing the good blue in. And then at night, blue blockers don't work very well because there's three other colors that also affect your sleep. That's why true dark has two different types. There's day glasses for studio lighting and all this. And people go, but they'll think I look dumb if I wear yellow glasses.

I've been training to be a rock star. I've been doing it for ten years. They look really cool. It looks like, you know, something we don't. Which is also valid.

Mari Llewellyn
Cause you do. You know, I would like to see a world where we just fix our led lights. Wouldn't that be nice? That'd be so nice. We can make lights that are good for you.

You know, the worst is the airport. Oh, my God. I'll wear them at the airport because I just feel bombarded. If you want to find me at an airport, I'm the guy with a baseball hat. The yellow or the darker?

Dave Asprey
True dark glasses. Noise canceling headphones, right? Oh, and I'm wearing an EMF blocking shirt and compression pants and a compression shirt. And when I land, I feel exactly like I did when I took off. Yeah, but it takes work to be healthy when you fly.

And airports are gross. Disgusting. Truly disgusting. Dave, I think we need to do a part two. We both live in Austin, so I might have to drag you back here because I want to ask about ayahuasca.

We got to do a whole thing on consciousness. 40 years of Zen ayahuasca mushrooms. Okay, we'll do it again. It's a deal. Where can everyone find you and your podcast and danger coffee?

All right. Go to dangercoffee.com to get coffee that is free of mold and full of trace minerals and electrolytes. It tastes like the most amazing coffee you've ever had. Because it is. But it's got benefits.

It's called danger because who knows what you might do? Something good. Daveasprey.com has all my stuff. My podcast is the human upgrade and upgradelabs.com has information about the new upgrade labs opening in Austin. There's 28 opening across the US and Canada.

It's a franchise, so you can open one yourself. If you're interested in being a biohacking entrepreneur, I want to help you. Wow. That's amazing. Thank you so much, Dave.

Mari Llewellyn
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Dave Asprey Part 2: Best Diet for Acne, Ozone Therapy, Detoxing From Mold, Toxic Fragrances, Fertility Tips

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