Everything You Need to Know About Peptides and Healing From Mold With Kyal From LVLUP Health

Jenny Jones
Welcome to another exciting episode of the Biohacker Bondi podcast. I'm your host Jenny Jones aka Biohacker Bondi and today we have a very special guest, Kyle, the founder of Level Up Health. In this episode, we dive deep into the world of peptides and mold detoxification. Kyle shares his personal journey with mold exposure and how peptides peptides played a crucial role in his healing process. Well explore his background in nutrition and nature of apathy, his experience at a hyperbaric oxygen clinic, and the founding of level up health.

Kyle emphasizes the importance of using high quality ingredients in supplements and discusses the benefits and challenges of both oral and injectable peptides. Throughout our conversation we touch on the impact of toxins on health, the role of genetics in disease, and the critical importance of gut health. Kyle offers insights into how mold exposure can affect testosterone levels and overall wellbeing and shares natural remedies to boost testosterone. We also discussed the comprehensive approach required for effective mold detoxification, including the use of binders, supplements and peptides. Kyle and I highlight the importance of individualized supplementation, reassessing and adjusting based on specific health goals and conditions.

We talk about the potential risks and benefits of certain medications and peptides, and the need for incorporating healthy habits alongside supplementation. Towards the end of our chat, Kyle introduces level up health's new pre workout supplement and discusses the benefits of certain peptides for injury recovery and skin health. He also shares his favorite biohacks including binders, red light therapy, vagus nerve stimulator. So join us as we uncover the powerful potential of peptides and natural remedies in optimizing health and own overcoming mold exposure. This episode is packed with valuable insights and practical tips for anyone looking to elevate their health journey.

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All right, well, welcome to the Biohacker Blondie podcast. I am so excited for this episode because we are with the founder of Level Up Health, oral Peptides Kyle. And we are also going to talk about mold. So peptides and mold are two of my favorite topics to talk about and I think a lot of people are have questions and this is kind of two big topics in the health space right now. So I'm so excited.

Welcome to the Biohacker Blondie podcast. And I would love to introduce yourself and tell the audience and the listeners how you got into this space of peptides, building your own company, your own health issues and how that led you to level up health. So welcome. Thank you for taking the time out of your day. Thanks for having me on, Jenny.

Kyle Vandalist
And from one blondie to another, it's good to be on a podcast. Really inclusive for my hair color. Yeah, we're matching. Though I shouldn't say. I wouldn't say mold's my favorite topic.

Like I'm so passionate about it. But it's probably from your perspective too. The reason we know so much about it is we've been victims or we've been in the circumstance of mold taking away from our health. And luckily when it's happened for me, I knew about peptides. Fantastic to have this modern evolution of science that can actually accelerate the healing which can usually take between a year and a half from chronic mold exposure.

But combining my level peptides, having level up and then just having basically every naturopathic and nutritional tool at my disposal allowed me to get healed from mold super fast. Which I think now with the prevalence of it in the world and poor building practices, it's more needed than ever. But that's like a nice introduction to what we're going to talk about later, but to take things all the way back. I'm Kyle Vandalist, naturopath, and the director of Level Up Health, a supplement company I founded sort of during the COVID times, the pandemic in Australia, it was all locked down and perfect timing for me to start something of mine. And at the time, just before the lockdowns, I was working as a naturopath in a health food store, um, recommending supplements to people for their immune system, their gut issues, and sort of using what was at disposal of the healthy store, which turned out to be not much of much use, so to speak.

So I was sort of helping people with sports supplements. So it's sort of my passion is sort of sport and sports and exercise science, but then also naturopathy I was studying at the time while working there. So that's where I got a really good understanding of herbs. But to take it back even further, before that, stool, I also worked at a hyperbaric oxygen clinic in Australia. That was my first job after becoming a nutritionist.

So my first degree that I completed was in human nutrition. And then I thought, oh, great, I know everything there is to know about nutrition. I'd study pathophysiology and diseases and stuff in university. Then I got the job there and I felt so inadequately prepared for the real world and for actual chronic disease conditions, like what they taught teaching in university versus what they might teach in a functional medicine course, or what you might learn from podcasts or experts. Books are very different things.

So that job there was very humbling. Hyperbaric oxygen brings you in sort of two main types of clientele. It's the elite performing athletes, which I loved and was part of the appeal. But then there was the chronically ill people, people with cancer, Lyme disease, autoimmune diseases. And that's sort of how I knew about it, because again, going backwards, about ten years ago, my mum was diagnosed with breast cancer and I stopped what I was doing and basically became a primary carer.

When I found out about the diagnosis, I cared for her for about eight years, and that was the big accelerant to my learning. Having her sick and sort of being there for her for the wins and the losses, and seeing how the interventions, nutritional and supplemental, sort of had, and biohacking as well, the hyperbarics and the intravenous therapies, seeing the power of those, what they could do for her in that chronic condition was really gave me education and accelerated my learning way beyond anything I could have done otherwise, because I'd wake up, turn on a podcaster while I'm eating my breakfast, and go for my walks, listen to an audiobook, and then get home and watch a summit on cancer, or watch a summit on, like, environmental toxicities. Because when you try to understand why your mother, who's an athlete, she rides every day, eats healthy and never smoke, never drink, try and understand how that sort of person got cancer. If she was a smoker or if she'd eaten western diet all the time, then it would make a lot of sense. But to me, it didn't.

It was just really confusing. I had to know. And that sort of my learning journey took me down the RK. So Candida and mold really affected and suppressed the immune system. But also growing up where she did was in an agricultural area.

So glyphosate use and pesticide use, which was a young girl riding horses and having the planes spray over the top of them as they rode. So there's, you know, reverse engineering cancer, kind of. You can't leave a stone unturned. And the amount that, like, my. From pain to purpose, like, it hurts so much having to go through that.

But what I learned from that is just like, my goodness, there's so many things that can cause it. Trying to reverse engineer it, trying to get rid of, like, breast cancer, for example, using aluminium based deodorants. That was a huge one that I found. Especially when you shave your arms and you basically create a passage for entry into the fatty tissue underneath your underarms. Close to the breast.

Jenny Jones
Yeah. Cell phones as well. People putting them, like storing in their bra or putting them elsewhere. That was another thing I had to learn, too. During that primary caring.

Kyle Vandalist
We lived within 50 meters of a massive cell phone consignment where the EMF meter was just almost constantly maxing out. And that was a really humbling experience too, really. Like the massive regression in all the therapies we were doing was working until. And we actually celebrated. We got the new house.

We were ready to move. Thank God this cancer thing is in the past. But then when we moved there, she actually developed primary brain cancer, which is ultimately was the beast that got her, rather than her breast cancer. Unfortunately, her radiation and the western medical system, the way they. When they stopped treating you with chemo, they basically then put her on high dose morphine narcotic, you know, they call it narcing in Australia, where basically euthanized her because she broke her hip, because the radiation took about 15 kilos of a small frame away from her.

So she was just really frail. So long story short, that's how I got into natural healing. That's the journey. Not only was it like an educational experience, it was the best way to test out what compounds worked and what didn't. During that time we would have spent over $300,000 on nutritional supplements to try and support the mitochondria, to try and support detoxification.

Things like keto nesters, things like deteriorated water mcts, all these things that I would take them alongside her because we were in it together. And I noticed how much of an impact and a difference it had on my own health. So I'm like, okay, there's something to this. I really like this. And then when I got into the hyperbaric clinic, I was a bit unprepared for all the other diseases, but the cancer was something I was really able to help the patients with and support them long.

That had been my journey for so long, but things like Lyme disease had no idea really. I had to learn all that on the fly, on the job, all the different types of autoimmunity. And that's sort of, I think where it came in. When I was working at that clinic, it was directly opposite one of Australia's largest compound in chemists. So some of these clients would come in and I'd ask them, oh, what's been working for you?

Because I was just trying to plunge up as much information as I could while I was working there. And peptides kept coming up from all these patients and I didn't really know all that much about them apart from a little bit. They were used by a sporting team in Australia. What year was this? I'm curious.

Or it would have been about 2016 to 2018. I worked at the clinic but my mom had her cancer from 2011 and she passed in 2017. So yeah, it was, yeah, go all the way back to 2000, sort of six, 2008. They were used by 14 teams and actually had really good results before it became like a scandal. And everyone thought they were this horrible thing that was synonymous with steroids.

Not really understanding the nuance to them and how powerful they are for both sporting recovery or the disease management. Anyway, that clinic was place to learn. I did hyperbaric too and I'm a really big advocate for hyperbaric therapy. Peptides combined with that, combined with all the nutritional stuff and lifestyles. So that's sort of how I got into that.

And then yeah, after Covid happened. I lost my job at the nutrition at the naturopathic store because obviously the whole city was on lockdown. So there was no need for me. That's when I just decided to start making these things because as an australian, it was almost impossible to import anything. Our border is the hardest one in the whole of the world, just about to get anything through.

So I try and order all these peptide and they were just getting stopped at customs or destroyed or just simply like they think you're trying to import illicit drugs. Finding a manufacturer within Australia to do them is what I did. With $500 in my pocket, I started level up and did a math. Oh my gosh. First order of 20 bottles, which I was worried that wouldn't sell and no one would like them.

And now, four years later, it's doing pretty well. So I have some exciting news. My book, Biohack for Life is available on Amazon. This is your ultimate functional medicine guidebook packed with everything you need to optimize your health and well being. In Biohack for life.

Jenny Jones
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It's designed to empower you with the knowledge and tools to take control of your health and live your best life. So grab your copy today on Amazon and start your journey towards optimal health. Wow, that is so amazing. You know, that is inspirational. That is just, I don't know.

And I love this so much. I think so many people in this space come from a point in their life of something kind of, you know, some type of health situation, either a family member or friend, and they see that and they're like driven to make a change, you know, and because you see how people can, like, their health just declines, how the emotional trauma, you know, the physical trauma, what it does to relationships and the people around you. So it's just, it's at any age too, you know, I saw my grandma go through Alzheimer's at the last five years of her age of her life. And it's like, that was, you know, traumatic for me to see. And then of course, you know, I think so many people too are dealing with mold and all this.

So I just, it's always so interesting to you talk to someone like you and we've been, you know, messaging and everything. And then you never know. This whole backstory of people and everyone, it seems like, has this health history backstory and it's just, it's heart wrenching, right? Because I feel like just have to see your mom go through that then, you know, and all these. And you see all these little things that it's like the toxins were surrounded by mold or like all these things, how it's impacting our health.

And then here you are with a few hundred dollars and you build this amazing company that like, I feel like every product is so well thought out. Like it's just. And I think it's really great with the, with the oral peptides is you're, you're helping them. I believe you can, you know, with all these different formulas, absorb better and work better because I think there's other oral peptides out there and if you just have that one ingredient, it's not going to do much, right? Like, or it might not be as effective, but when you add ten, you know, five different ingredients that like your liver support too, it's like you're adding in all these things and it's just so well thought out.

Like, you could just tell it's such a great product and I'm loving all of them, so. And it's so cool that you just started, right? Like, I just think I've been listening also to, you know, inspirational people of like the skinny confidential, the him and her podcast. And it's like everyone thinks that you just make this amazing company out of nowhere, right? Like you just were given this.

And it really starts from, bare minimum, nothing. And you just keep going because it's your passion and you move forward. And that's what makes you different too, from other people, is that you actually do it. And obviously there's so much research behind it. With the backstory.

Kyle Vandalist
I don't actually sell any products for cancer. It's all sort of related to gut health and my own journey, which I haven't even got into yet, but we teased about the mold. But there's a really strong principle in naturopathy that I learned. It's called just synergy. When you combine certain things, you don't need as much of anything.

Or if you combine multiple things and sort of overlap the mechanisms and, you know, a one plus one can equal three or a two plus two can equal ten. That's. That sort of result, for example, like pain and inflammation. There's multiple pathways that you can target, and drugs that, you know, pharmaceutical drugs work on different targets, different pathways of inflammation and pain. You know, natural, natural ones can work on it, too.

You've got things like white willow bark, which is an alternative to aspirin. You got things like pea, which is kind of like a, works like cannabis oil. It's fantastic. And there's all these different tools at our disposal. We're kind of like in a golden age of supplementation and health optimization at the moment, which is fantastic because we kind of need to be.

There's so many diseases that are running rampant. There's something like 70% of people are on medications or have a chronic disease condition. That's where we have this opportunity, as people in the functional medicine and biohacking space, to really turn the ship around for humanity. Because, you know, all those things that I learned about all the carcinogens, the endocrine disruptors, the plastics, the pesticides, all those things are, in my opinion, the primary driver of why we're in this position. Obviously, the diet doesn't help, but there's also this theory that I really prescribe to.

It's because when I was in mold, I was eating perfectly. My diet had not a seed oil in it, if I could help it, and the calories were correct. But there's a theory of toxin dilution via adiposity accumulation. And that is basically, well, how do you, how do you dilute this poison down? And that's by storing more fat and then storing the toxins in fat.

And this often happens when people lose weight, is they feel terrible. They have Herxheimer reactions because they're finally clearing this toxic overload. And a lot of people, you know, you can see it in their face. They might lose all this weight, but they look absolutely shot. Their eyes are dark circles under them, their livers overburdened.

Jenny Jones
And that's what's happening with this semi glutide. And I'm telling people who are taking it, there's a lot of people and only taking it. And I'm like, you need to be taking a binder, because when you're going to be, you know, you know, having so much fat released into your bloodstream, that comes with toxins, and then your liver and everything's overloaded. Right? So I think people need to be very careful thinking about when they're losing weight rapidly about these toxins.

Kyle Vandalist
You know, touch on the semaglutide. That's the sort of thing that needs to be used to physiologically not. It's like a, most, like a TRT, but for that peptide specifically, just taper up really slow if you're going to use that. I used to be completely, then I was chatting to a few people who've been using it, and they said it's, it's actually a game changer, more like the triple agonists or the double agonists, like radootide or something, whatever it's called. And tracepetide these ones, I prefer over the single mechanism.

GLP one. Yeah, yeah. 100%. Right. Binders are one of the most important supplements and people.

Jenny Jones
And, you know, it's so funny, too, because the, we're, I feel like the 5% crazy biohackers, health people, then the rest. I mentioned charcoal, and they're like, charcoal. You know, these, like, we all, like, this is normal to me, but I realize for most people, when I say binders, they have no idea, you know, and, but when you talk to people like the founder of symbiotica, I mean, they're like, people are taking, most functional medicine practitioners or, you know, founders of supplement, they're taking a binder most of the time, you know, because we're just constantly surrounded by toxins. Like, it's just, it's so bad. It's hard to be healthy these days, almost, you know, and even for yourself.

And, like, you kind of feel like you're going through believe mold right now. I'm not sure how well, but it's like, you know, I feel like we, we're expected to just be extremely healthy all the time, but it's always like this, up and down, right, because it's like, we work on our health. We get it to a great point, and then maybe something happens. We go to a different country, get a bacteria or something or, you know, and then some, or mold or whatever. And then here we have to kind of get it out of our system, reboot our immune system and, and all of that.

So it's just like, it's never ending. And we always need to pay attention to, I think these, like, the intuition of knowing something's off. Right? Yeah. Like, you can, um.

Kyle Vandalist
You got to give a lot of credit to the body for what it has to deal with. For most people to be living as long as they are with the amount of burden that is on their body is pretty impressive. And I actually think the adiposity is a protective mechanism, too. I don't promote people gaining weight by any means. That's horrible for longevity.

But a big reason you're doing this is to protect the cells from it. And often we're seeing a phenomenon with cancer diagnosis where people who are like marathon runners or ultra endurance athletes, they're putting a huge amount of oxidative stress on their body and they have no adiposity. So where are these toxins, these metals, these LP's or the mold toxins accumulating in organs, in fatty tissue like the brain or the breast tissue or the ovaries or the testes? All of these organs are so high in fat that that's where the body stores it. If you don't have it on your belly or any around your waist, then that's a potential reason why it's affecting these healthy populations.

And my mom was that she was a triathlete and an endurance cyclist, so she had nowhere for those things to go other than her breasts. That, I believe, is why she ended up getting it, not genetics, because her grandmother lived to 115 and her mother lived to 99. So it's kind of. I know, I was curious about genetics, too. I was going to ask you, like, if that's kind of something you find, you know, in your.

Jenny Jones
In your. Have you done a DNA test or anything? Yeah, we've got methyl. So like, that contributes, but it certainly isn't the be all, end all. And I think it's maybe like one of these things that might be a 10% risk increase rather than a causative thing.

Kyle Vandalist
Everyone who's in genetics says, you know, the genes are the bullets and the lifestyle is the gun. It's kind of like something similar to that. So I don't put a lot of weight into genetics. I think it's good to know, like, if you're going to be taking a B vitamin and you have methylation issues, taking folic acid or viridoxine hcl instead of p five p these are going to affect you. And the supplements you're taking to try and improve your health are going to do the actual opposite of that, which is what I'm so passionate with.

Level up is like, I never use a form of a vitamin or a herb that is inferior. Every time I've used zinc, I've used zinc alkynesine, because it's the best one, it's more expensive. But the benefits of that alkynesine on the gut and restoring zinc levels are fantastic. Same with the b six using pipe, pediatric form versus pterodoxine hcl, or heavens forbid, using folic acid, which is a really, really good way to mess up someone's methylation profile. I know.

Jenny Jones
I don't think people are thinking of this either, that not all types of vitamins are the same. Like, I even just had this discussion with the founder of yungoos. And like, the vitamin C. So, like, different forms of vitamin C is so important. So I think a lot of people are just like, oh, isn't vitamin C all the same?

No, there's different forms of it. Right. There's ones that are magnesium or these, you know, so it's like, there's just so much to think about. And that's why I guess we're here to kind of help guide people because a lot of people are like, I don't want to study this. I don't have hundreds of hours in my day.

Just tell me what to do. Right? Yeah. Unfortunately, with peptides too, there's a huge barrier to entry for most people with the injectable ones because you kind of get a pretty, there's a sharp learning curve with the injectable ones. Like, you have to learn about lyophilized and raw forms, and then you have to learn about reconstitution.

Kyle Vandalist
And so what water are you going to use? Bacteriostatic or another type? And then getting the insulin needles phase, you need to do how to redo it. It's a very big process. And I did all of that with the g.

I did melanitan, which, you know, works pretty well. You look nice and tanned. And it had some very good immune effects too. I did into growth hormone ones like epomoral and CJC and just for body composition, but I only did those for a month. I just as much as used to it as I got.

I was never able to get over the fact that I just do not like needles. And even though it didn't hurt much until you accidentally hit a nerve in there and you're like, oh, my God. So that's the most for me and most people. Yeah, I think a lot of people are scared of needles. That's kind of the big thing where they're just like, but once you do it, I think, like, I even my first time I did with using pestides, it was with Matt Cook.

Jenny Jones
He's in San Jose. He had me on thymus and alpha one. Yep. And I was so nervous to inject. Like, I was almost shaking, you know?

But then once you get over it, you're like, oh, my gosh, this is no big deal. And I think a lot of people do that. But I guess maybe even for you, you kind of have this like I'd rather just take an oral. Is that why you started the oral peptides? Yeah, exactly.

Kyle Vandalist
And it's a bit more foolproof too. Like we test everything that we ever sell and produce for purity. Metals and contaminants. If you're injecting a peptide, 100% of any metal contaminants or any like polysaccharide contaminant or anything that's not. The peptide is going on circulation versus if you take PPC and it had some metals in it just for example, sake, the gut lining and the gut lugs are actually going to prevent that metal from absorbing.

There's transporters that would only have like point marks or any of the dietary mercury or aluminium or any of these metals. Versus if you're just injecting it, you're getting 100% of it. So they're a bit safer for, you know, for compliance. And also just being in capsules already dosed up, you know exactly how many micrograms of peptides in it versus even in the ones that you reconstitute. Like I don't know exactly how well distributed in it's going to be.

It evens out in the end. It can take the whole vial but I always just find capsules of gray and put them in your little trouble when you travel as well. You don't have to have insular needles or these little vials in your carry on luggage. And trying to have to explain them. It just takes that barrier of entry away to peptide therapy, which is fantastic.

Luckily there's so many different peptides that are available orally now which I think there's like three 6912 peptides that I found that are really therapeutic that do work orally. These are one like EPC 157, the fragments of tb, four GHKCU APV lorazotide small molecules as well like testamency or perception. Five amino one and q. All of these ones you can take in oral capsule or you can have in a nasal spray or you can have as even there's ones for creams too. That's not even mentioning what the skin peptides do.

So not. So what makes it more absorbable as an oral versus injecting? Well injecting. Yeah, injecting is more. Yeah.

Jenny Jones
So do you know like I guess the percentage difference or, and it also matters I guess, you know how, how healthy your gut is like how much you can absorb if there's you know, permeability or whatever. So that also has a factor. But I've definitely heard people say, okay, when I inject, it's a lot stronger. You definitely feel that. And then why would some peptides not be good at all for oral?

Kyle Vandalist
Yeah, so a few good examples that I'll use are like ones like DHK, for example. Normally that's pretty low absorption. There's about ten to 15 oral bioavailability of it. And that's why, like with the capsules, I use like ten times the therapeutic injectable dose. Because you're kind of allowing for that drop off and that degradation of the peptide, that sort of worst case scenario.

But then you can buffer it with delayed release capsules which prevent the acid from breaking it down. There's like a long list of other ones, like the KKV is the same thing, ones like lorazotide is the same thing. EPC is pretty much the exception to that rule. These small peptides are susceptible to proteolytic enzymes and peptin and stomach acid breakdown. All the things that would break down your steak or your dietary meat.

Massive proteins, protein degrading enzymes are what mechanically break down your food into digestible amino acids. Well, peptides are just short chains of amino acids, so they're susceptible to the same factors. So if you buffer with things like selco prosaic sodium, which is commonly known as snack, or you use things like sodium bicarbonate, which I prefer because it has less of an effect on the gut, on the, on the lining of the gut, you can sort of bare these peptides from degradation and have a much higher effect orally. You might be able to push it to between 40 and 70% for the other ones like BPC is one that you don't really have to do that for because it's endogenously naturally made in your stomach acid. So if you use the form, the BPC arginate form, that's got about a 90% resistance and absorbative capacity when you take it orally versus 100%, obviously with the injectable.

But there's two different forms of BTC. There's the acetate form, which is about eight times cheaper than the argonate. And that's what people tend to inject. But if you were to people inject the cheaper form, it's not an inferior form by any means. It's just not going to work orally because that acetate ac peptide is much weaker than the Argentine.

So that will break down. And then the peptides are just basically, you know, will degrade at that similar ten to 15% absorption rate. That 80% to 85% of it will be gone before it even can versus the argonates, what they call the orally bioavailable form. And that one is very beneficial. And that's why you don't necessarily need like a delayed release capsule for a VPC, but the other one to make sure that they get past the stomach acid.

Once they've passed that, it's kind of a much easier for them because that's where they will cross into your bloodstream in the small intestine and then, you know, then they can get in systemic circulation. But if you do have a lot of GI issues like most people do, I think I was reading that 80% of people in the world actually have some level of leaky gut. Then these peptides will have a local effect on your gut first before they might be able to act distally. Say you've got like a knee or something, elbow or golfer's elbow or something like that. You know, say, let's just for example, say you take a milligram or 1000 micrograms of BDC, that's a really good dose for it to act systemically.

But you are going to lose like maybe half of that to the gut lining. It will all be used locally there to sort of deal with what all the inflammatory and the leaky gut and any pathology in your gut. It'll get used there first before it even has a chance to kind of act on the rest of your body. So there's, yeah, it's pretty detailed nuance. So interesting.

Jenny Jones
You, you know, developing this company. Did you do just a ton of research yourself? Like how much was, did you know before or did you just straight go into researching and learn all of this on your own? So my, my method is try things first and if it has a good effect, then I'll figure it out later, which is pretty.

A lot of people are doing this with stem cells too and stuff. I'm like, okay, you can, you can be the guinea pig. Unfortunately, for the most part it works out for the, your advantage. But other times, like I did psalms, for example, I guinea pig on them. You know, they're not particularly safe and it ended up destroying my own testosterone levels.

What did you do? Psalms? They're called select selective androgen receptor modulators, things like AD 140 and Mk 677. And they're used by bodybuilders as an alternative to steroids because I didn't want to do those. And I thought, oh, these are fantastic.

Kyle Vandalist
They're going to act on the androgen receptors the same as testosterone. They do. I gained a lot of muscle, but then it suppressed my. Same as steroids. It suppressed my endogenous testosterone levels.

So I don't regret doing that because I've managed to bring it back. And there's, like, lots of herbs that you can use that work even better. Than those say that to say the herbs that help. Okay, sure. Because I'm sure a lot of men would like to know.

So probably the best of the best. As far as fertility, what is it? It's called Tongkat alley or. Okay, yeah. Long Jack.

It's probably the best known testosterone boosting herb there is. Boron. There's things like Fidojo agrestis, which is a bit contentious, but I really like that one effect. There's also ones like cistant tubulosa, which really helps with DHT, and a cyclist pyrethrum. There's just, this is, like a lot list of 20 things if you want to boost your test levels.

Jenny Jones
And I think it's a huge issue for men. I think men's testosterone is. I always ask people when they do their. I'm like, what's your testosterone? But it's always.

It's low for a lot of men. You know, I definitely think sleep and all these other factors play a huge role as well. And then also. But to add in the supplements or, you know, can help, or these herbs can really help people and. Or help men get their testosterone back up, that's a huge issue.

Kyle Vandalist
Very important, too. And the thing that, with a lot, like I had the mold is another thing that really tanked my testosterone even worse than the Sarms did. The mold got my test from a healthy range, in my opinion, is anything over 800, which is kind of top of the standard medicine's reference range now. But anything over that to all the way up to over a thousand is a really good reference range to be in. And a lot of men who dropped into TRT aim for that as their window.

The guys who want to get really big in the gym go way over that. And that's like, you know, there's a u shaped curve. Sorry, a bell shaped curve to everything, usually in the body. And. Yeah, but mine was all the way down to 300, which was terrible.

That was what the mole. That was one of the main things that the mole did to me. Besides, actually, it wasn't one of the main things or about 30 things the mold did for me, but that was one of the most troublesome ones, because as a man, when you have low testosterone, your dopamine goes through the floor, that it's a bi directional relationship. The better, the higher your testosterone, the higher your dopamine. And the more motivated you are, the more, the less lazy you are, the more likely you are to get out of bed and to want to conquer and work out.

So when I was in mold, my goodness, my, my stack was so long just to keep my head above water. And it's only really recently since we're now out of the mold, I think we're nearly three months removed that my levels have finally died down. I've had a really heavy push, and for a while I forgot the binders. When I was doing it, I felt so bad. It was the worst turkshymer reactions.

And I gained weight, too, because I liberated these mycotoxins, and leptin resistance started again, and the carb craving started again. So it's kind of like I took two steps forward and one step back by not using the binders. My very come to earth moment was when I took the binders again. I'm like, goodness, I feel so much better. Thank God I have these.

Jenny Jones
I know people are not thinking of the magic of binders. And I'm like, and it's funny you say this because I feel like I have so much stuff in my cabinets and, like, all these tools. And then sometimes I forget because I just, there's so many little things. I'm like, I should use this, or, oh, I should use my nebulizer. I completely forgot about that or something.

And then you're like, oh, I forgot binders. How long? How familiar with your mold, Jenny, are your audience? Have you spoken about it length before? Or is it something you.

Yeah, I did do a podcast about mold, and he actually was, it was a company he built to protect homes and to spray this, this chemical. Or you can also, like, for the air, he had, like, these mold bombs. And so we talked about mold because he had mold. But everyone I talk to has, like, in LA, and I mean, very healthy, healthy people. Like, we're all kind of in this little health bubble over here.

They're all coming up with mold. It's even the founder of bloom supplements. She's so healthy doing saunas, doing cold plunge, you know, and then she had no idea. Does a test. Her mold is just like completely.

So it's like we're doing all these healthy things and no matter what, that's why I'm so big about detoxing, because I think a lot of the times, like, if you could do all the health things you want, but if you don't get that toxin out, you're never really going to be healthy and heal, you know? And so I tell people it's so important to do this test as well because I think a lot of people that are struggling just are like, yeah, whatever, and just keep going on with their lives. And then when you do the test and you see how bad it is, you're like, oh, my gosh, I need to, like, take some strong action, you know? And that's why I think it's just so important to do this test, even though I wish it was less expensive. It's about 300, 5400 here to take a test.

I'm not sure how much it is there in Australia. Is that the mycotoxin panel? Yeah, yeah. There's other ones you can do to sort of test if you've got mold. The VSC, the visual contrast sensitivity test, there's like a symptom cluster that's a free online one that you can do as well.

Kyle Vandalist
And there's other ones, like gene testing that you can do to sort of see if mold is going to be a problem for you. They're called the HLA genes, and that determines, that's why, like, there can be so much variation. Like, two people can live in the same environment, one person's bed bound and chronic fatigue, and can't even get out. Can't even, like, put a sentence together, and the other one might be fine. And that's all to do with these HLA genes.

Jenny Jones
Yeah, I think that's a big, like, some people can live in the same household and it's not affecting them as much as another person. So we all have to, like, so I guess I, and I, I mean, I. I have really high levels of mold, and I would say I'm working pretty functionally. I feel pretty good, so maybe I do. I could handle it, but I definitely am.

I'm doing everything right now because it's like, I had mold in San Francisco, and I think when I moved, I got my health to a really good point. Then I think I moved to LA, moved to an old apartment that had, I just knew, I had a feeling there was mold. You could almost smell it. And, and then I just took a test and it's like, back up. And so now I'm doing the whole mold detox.

And I'm curious what's working for you because, you know, I'm trying to do binders. I'm actually doing enemas. I finally got to, I've done, like, cologne's I've gone to places before and that was beneficial I think. But to do it myself daily, I don't know why I've been intimidated. So what is your thoughts on enemas?

Do you recommend that? I was actually doing the ozone to the rectal ozone for the mold before thanks to Dave Asprey. And yes I was doing that. Nebulizing I think some glutathione, some herbs. He had me kind of on my old doctor Matt cook had me kind of on everything.

We were doing thymosin. We were doing all of it because it's just like it takes a lot to detox. So I'm curious what your, what's your protocol right now? Sweating peptides, everything. Yep.

Kyle Vandalist
So I reverse engineer the way I get rid of it. Like how does it get out of your body? Through your poo, through your bile. So the binders are so important ones like chitizens. Probably been the biggest needle mover for me.

Jenny Jones
There's two. It's called chitosin or chitosin. I can't exactly remember. H I t o s a n. Chitosin.

Kyle Vandalist
That one's a bile binder. Bile is one of the main ways gets rid of mold. And that's why all the mold protocols use things like oxfile or twitch is probably the biggest needle mover supplementally that people use like cellcore use it. I sell it because it made such a profound impact to my health. It's a water soluble bile salt.

So basically. Yeah, water soluble biosol. So it basically, if your drainage pathways are, you know, if you see if your liver is the sink, bile flow is like the drain under the sink. And if that's clogged up you're never going to get the dirty water out of your sink or your liver. And that's what it does.

It thins the bile and allows it to flow more freely. Which mold is, does thicken the bile. Interesting. That's a good point. Without the chitosin and these other binders like the activated charcoal and bentonite, the bile will strip out the mold toxin.

But then it'll just recirculate. We need something to catch it. That's why Chris Shades has the poor catch for metals. But the same applies, mold included. We need to catch these things because that's where I was going wrong with my detox.

I was doing like zone two, zone three, cardio to sweat, sweat out the mold and get it moving. But then I felt so bad afterwards. And when we go and sit out in the sun even, which is, you know, you're getting some infrared, similar to a sauna. We just feel terrible because the mole was being liberated but not bound, and then it would just recirculate and then just end up going somewhere else in the body. Circulating mold can get in your brain, which can lead to anxiety and brain fog and cognitive decline.

You know, if it's bad enough, it's implicated with Alzheimer's and Ms and Parkinson's and all these chronic diseases. Being aware of it, knowing whether you've got mold in your environment or not, is huge. It's probably one of the biggest things that I ask about and talk about now, because, you know, I used to boost the heart one about, you know, not having gluten and avoiding glyphosate and all these things. They are important, certainly, because they will have a direct impact on gut health. Nothing will ruin your gut health faster or worse than mold exposure.

And these mycotoxins. Yeah. If gluten punches a hole in your gut lining, mold toxins are like a knife just ripping through them. Like, there was no amount of my product GI repair, which has three really powerful peptides in it for gut health, plus tripyrin and quercetin and zinc, carnosine. None of.

I was taking, like, a triple base of that when I was in mold. And, yeah, it helped a little bit, but it didn't actually get me further ahead in my healing or fix my gut issues. So it wasn't until I got out that now I can confidently say my guts back to where it needs to be in a totally. But also supporting the removal of the tudka. It's really great for getting that out.

Jenny Jones
Wait, when do you take the tadka? Because I never. I. That's kind of new to me, and I've seen this now starting to pop up, and I don't know when to use it. Yeah.

Kyle Vandalist
So Tutk is one that's kind of. You need to be a bit careful with if it's the first time using it. If you've got a real buildup of toxins, it can tell. You can tell if you do, if your liver enzymes are slightly elevated and you've not been exercising. That's how I knew we had mold, because it wasn't visible where we were living.

But my liver enzymes were high, my homocysteine levels were high, and when I did see test, it kind of was a little bit off. I noticed a drop down on that, and then, you know, we can turn it later with the microtox test. But todkit is very powerful at, like, clearing out pipes. If you've got a blockage in your pipes, just imagine the visual of a high pressure hose just clearing it out. And then you see on the other end all the crap that comes out.

Well, that can cause really severe herx time and reaction. You might just have all of these xenoestrogens. You might have huge hormonal dump. You might have mold and microtoxin and metals all dumping your gut, and then your gut. Bugs don't really like that either, and they get a bit angry, and then they release all the LP's.

So that's what's called a Herzlma reaction. Two people can cause that. That's why I have two different doses. I have a 250 milligram, which is a very sort of low level entry dose that, you know, people really have a high level of mold or toxicity. That's a good starting point.

And then you maybe do that every second day and then build up. So all the way, like some bodybuilders are on 2000 milligrams, which is four of the double strength capsules a day. Because they're on bodybuilders. Why would they take it? Steroids have a direct effect on bile.

Oral anivirus, oral steroids basically thicken the bile and end up with cholestasis and elevated liver enzymes for that. So that's another reason why people take it. But just making sure you've got good bile fluid, it doesn't have to be things like phosphatidy or choline. A fantastic PC beyond just the bioflow is it actually helps restore the cell membranes, which mold can. It's an ionophore, so it can store itself in the, in the phospholipid bilayers of your cells.

So as you're detoxing from mold and that gets pulled out, you need something to come in healthy to repair it. And if you're avoiding seed oils and taking good oil, good fats, and having something like phosphatidy or choline, that's a really good way to sort of repair the cells back to where they should be. But, yeah. So when do you take? Take at night?

Jenny Jones
Okay. Would it be, would it be good to also take it with the binders? You cannot take it at the same time as a binder like chitosan because that binds to biolass, which took care is if you separate them by about half an hour. Binders are so tricky to take. I think they're probably the hardest of all the supplements to take because you can't take them with a mineral and you can't take them with so many different things such as oxpile or tutka or phosphatidyl choline.

Kyle Vandalist
Because it has the potential to just the supplement plus the supplement negate each other. So yeah, I think I usually take the binder about at least half an hour before I take all my other supplements to kind of get it further down ready to catch as I push. Like my liver complex which has the PC in it. It has Taurine, it has clove artichoke policing called bile production. And then the tutka to help bile flow and to sort of make it thinner and make it flow more freely.

Jenny Jones
Oh interesting. Oh my gosh, there's so much. And so have you retested your mold as well? Yeah I did in my levels. I still have some ocratoxin but they've gone down.

Kyle Vandalist
Yeah they're up around the 90 mark and I think under nines your reference range and I was still at about 14. So that is amazing. So this all was supplementation and the peptides or did you also do like sauna every day? What else did you incorporate? Daily walks in sunshine zone two cardio.

I find that actually burning fat with exercise, and I've heard this from other people as well, is the best way to detox. Even more so than sauna if you're actively mobilizing your fat cells with exercise in a way that it doesn't really happen as much with sauna. So I just chuck on a weight vest and do an incline walk for half an hour. That was really stirring things up. And even going out where I live in Queensland, Australia, it's quite warm.

There's good uv. Going out in the sun's a really good way to stir it up, similar to a sauna. But the exercise was probably the best thing, ironically, can be, might be the last thing people feel like doing when they have mole mcas or surs or have been exposed from. From the mold exposure. But if you've got yourself out and you really want to move it.

Taking a binder and doing something red light therapy all around your adiposity and then you do something like a zone two or zone three cardio. That's just I found to be the best way to get them out of you. Um, you can do the things like the. The um, the enemas are fantastic for upregulating glutathione. But I've done too many of them because a.

I have a one year old baby who would just try and play with it and pull it out. And it's pretty hard to find time with that. Plus, the business is really busy, and it's a pretty time consuming task. But the combination of my products, liver complex is pretty much all of the ingredients I use for my first mold exposure. I ended up just making a product out of them.

Jenny Jones
And that's Liver complex, which, yeah, is amazing. I'm curious to a lot of people, you know, people are asking me, too, about Nac. And do you think that affects any, like, kind of the, like, I've. I don't know if you've, if you've ever been on Reddit, if that's something you look on or whatever, but people sometimes say it kind of makes you feel a little weird. You know, some of these supplements can definitely impact, like, the way you feel and then even, like, BPC 157, I think I'm just so.

I probably have had gut issues with my mold and too, so I'm extra sensitive, so I had to take it, like, like, lower doses, you know, so everyone kind of reacts to things differently. So you just took this liver complex and that helped you in your first mold exposure? Yeah. So I made liver complex to recycle glutathione. You can take glutathione as well, but there's not many oral forms of it that work really well.

Kyle Vandalist
That's why, like, it's probably good or even liposomal ones. It's a bit contentious. The only form of oral glutathione that I found to work really well is one called s phenyl acetyl glutathione. And that actually, because of that s phenyl acetyl group, it allows the glutathione to get intracellularly versus the reduced forms don't tend to get intracellularly as well. But the precursors like Nac and another form called nac.

Ethyl ester. Ethyl ester. These two are the precursor to glutathione. They have no trouble getting intracellular. The only difference between NAC and NASA is the NASA form is a fat soluble form, so it can absorb something like, what is it, like 14 or something times better than regular NAC.

I might be wrong with that number, but it's substantially better. This is like, what I call it, new era supplement. There's a lot of these things and there's other ones out there, and that's sort of where I nerd out and love spending my time is researching. Okay, what do we know that works okay yeah. So NASA works.

What else do we know? There's creatine. Okay. So we can get the precursor of that now too with GAA, which is guanidinoacetic acid. These are the things that really I find fantastic.

And I really spend a lot of my time trying to find and then peptides as well the gene transcription and upregulation and down regulation of like longevity and stem cell expression. They all really excite me too. I know. It's such a cool, like the whole peptide. It's like regenerative health, right?

Jenny Jones
Regenerative healing. Instead of putting like a band aid on a lot of these, you know, prescriptions. It's like we're not really healing the cause. We're just putting like a little band aid over something. So I think that's why people are loving peptides so much.

Because it's regenerative, it's healing, you know, our bodies and on detoxing or whatever. So it's like that's why I'm just so passionate. And I think a lot of people are now getting into of course like with semi glutathione. That's been the big eye opener for everyone. Which I also am worried about.

People are abusing. We have these peptides and we have all this. All, you know, semi glutide can be used for you know to help and benefit people. But I think a lot of people are abusing these things and thinking oh well I can, you know, eat like crap when I do eat because I'm not hungry. But it's like that's not going to help you really get to your full health potential.

You know. And then we can't depend on peptides, right? Like we say we don't want to be on medication the rest of our lives. Well we don't, we shouldn't have to be on peptides the rest of our lives. You know.

So I think that's a big issue. I think that's kind of the conflict right now is like a lot of people are like when do I stop, you know, taking peptides? It's also expensive for people. It's like okay, you know it's, they're not cheap. And it's like.

And people are asking me like okay, when, but how long should I take? Or you know, when do I get off? And how do you feel being off of these peptides? You know? And so I think we have to start thinking now like yes we're seeing this amazing benefit but where do we, you know, say okay I'm done.

Kyle Vandalist
You know, 100%. That applies to fruits. That applies to vitamins and minerals and everything you take, like, we don't know what we don't need until we stop taking it. I think quantifying as well, through blood tests and inflammatory markers and however that you are quantifying it, things like your aura ring or your whoop strap, you can see your heart rate variability or nervous system balance. These are all pieces of the puzzle you can draw from to see if you actually need these things.

Like a sleep score, for example. People don't need melatonin all the time. Or maybe they do. If they. If they take it and their sleep scores substantially better, they're sleeping longer, they're deep, and.

And Rem are going up, versus maybe you might swap it for l theanine for the night or Valerian root or something. You can quantify these things to see if you need it and then see what happens when you don't take anything at all. If it remains the same, then and you got to sleep the same way, then maybe you don't need it. Yeah, I think that's something, you know, that's what I tell people is I'm like, well, what is your goal? You know, are you trying to heal something?

Jenny Jones
Like, you kind of feel like your knees, you know, maybe take some BBC or, you know, these things that can maybe help the inflammation or something, but once it's gone, it's like, okay, yeah, you don't need to start taking. Once your gut issues, maybe you feel like your gut is back, then it's like, you don't need to be taken anymore, you know? So I think it just like, it's kind of like, where you at, where you're at, what you're trying to accomplish, and then you get off. Like, that's the great thing, too, is like, a lot of this is not going to like. But I think with this, the semi glue tide, I've just seen so many people taking it in there, and it does make you lose muscle.

And then you are like, now your metabolism is slowed down, you know, so when you get off, it's like you're gonna gain weight, you know, so I think it's something that, like, when you're taking these things, like, some also, like, peptides help you lose weight. Like, I've taken, um, Tessa Marellan the visceral fat. And so it's like, you know, but you have to be making sure, like, you're creating habits, good, healthy habits while taking these, you know, so, like, it's a lifestyle too, that these are not just like, what's going to fix whatever your bad habits are. Like. You have to incorporate the good habits too, you know?

Kyle Vandalist
Exactly. Right. In naturopathy we have a term called green allopathy, which just means instead of taking the drug for the rest of your life, you can take the human for the rest of your life. It's just a direct swap. And yeah, that's something they warn you against is like, if you're not actually getting at the root cause of the condition or the reason why you're taking it.

Things like a detox supplement, something I think in the world we live in now, unless you live in the pristine hills of like Montana or jungle with. Papaya bananas and that's it, do a. Full saladino and live in Costa Rica and just circulate. I know, I'm like, yeah, of course, your health, you know, and same with these blue zones. It's like, well, you live in the middle of nowhere by an ocean with like barely any, the computers and, you know, these ems and everything.

And the meat you eat is the animal you raised on the diet that you ate as well. So of course it's going to be healthy until the. Yeah, but we're all not going to move there, you know, so in reality, we all live in these cities and we have to like, somehow counteract, you know, the negatives of living in a city. Well, for every advance, everything kind of comes at a cost. How big the cost is it sort of depends on how much you're willing to gain.

Compromised. For example, like right now I have the Wi Fi on, it's right next to me. I know I'm getting EMF, but I took some magnesium threonate and some methylene blue I'm going to take afterwards to mitigate that. That's a choice I made. Therefore I will mitigate it with a supplement.

The same thing with, like if people choose to eat gluten or choose not to eat organic, then they're making that choice for convenience or for cost or whatever or just preference, they're going to probably have to do something about it. Either immediately afterwards. You can, can take things like the z biotics to. No, sorry, that's for alcohol. What's it called?

Gluten guardian or. Yeah, by optimizers. Yeah. Or you can take something like lorazotide acetate, which prevents that zonulin from causing the leaky gut. But if you make that choice, then you kind of have to be willing to either deal with the long term ramifications that is you've got leaky gut, which leads to things like autoimmunity, or it leads to pretty much every chronic disease is inflammation driven.

And when you've got chronic leaky gut, 80% of your immune system is basically on high alert. Because all these things like bacterial endotoxins, peptide or not peptide, but amino acid food fragments might come through that leaky gut. That tight junction breakdown might basically keep your immune system on high alert. Or if you've got something like mold suppressing you, you need to deal with these things. You can't just put your head in your sand sand and pretend they don't exist.

How long do you need to be on something? Is really so individually contextual, like as I said before, the bodybuilders who take steroids, you're going to need to be on a lot of things. Yes, congratulations. You now 120 kilos, you look like a greek God. But you've made that trade off that you've got testicular atrophy and now your kidneys are shot and your blood pressure is high and your liver enzymes have all shot up.

So if you've made that decision, you need to deal with the consequences of it. They would then have to take something like the Tongkat Alis and even enclomophine, like a pharmaceutical, because they push the pendulum so far off center that you might need something really powerful to push it back towards center. Otherwise, a lot of guys who go on it end up back on steroids despite not wanting to be on them because they feel so bad, because their own endogenous production has dropped. Every decision we make in our lifestyle affects the supplementation that we might need. And living in a city, you're going to be breathing in crap.

You're going to need an air filter if you don't have one, or a water filter. Water filter.

And even if you don't, even if you have, like, bottled water too, you're getting all the plastic. So there's just so many things working against health in the modern environment that maybe every two, three months you might need to do a round of BPC to fix your gut lining, or GI repair every six months to deal with that. But if you've already left it too long and developed something like ulcerative colitis or Crohn's disease or diverticulitis, then you're probably going to need to be on these things until the lab markers or the blood tests show that you've got the improvement needed to come off of them. And then seeing how you feel off of them. A lot of people kind of have to take that with really bad ulcerative colitis.

Kind of have to take it almost year round just to keep it in remission, which is not much better than a pharmaceutical. But at least it's not coming with the side effect of the pharmaceuticals usually are immunosuppressants, they're chemotherapeutic agents. So you're getting the same result without the side effects. And that's why I really like peptides, is they're so safe. They don't have really any.

The natural ones anyway. The synthetic ones might be a bit different. But the naturally found ones, like the thymic peptides, the BPCs, the GHK, they're all found in the body normally, so the body knows what to do with them. They don't interact with your own liver enzymes like other, even botanical things like grapefruit extract, that can interact with medications, it can influence your liver. But the peptides are just broken down in like in circulation.

There's no real risk with something like a BBC. It's just broken down in circulation after a few hours. Um, it's very safe. I feel like the FDA here, you know, has shut down peptides or labs, you know, making peptides and this whole thing of. And I feel like there's just so much background behind that of, you know, these companies trying to make their own patents with the peptides.

Jenny Jones
But they're saying they're like I think on the danger list or something. And I'm like, I had never heard of anyone having any complications. And also I'm thinking of all these pharmaceuticals, the complications with most prescriptions. There's so many side effects and like things that can happen with prescriptions where I feel like peptides are completely down the list, if there are any, to where they would do something compared to like prescriptions. So I did a cost calculation a few years ago to try and get to a human lethal, like LD 50 of BPC.

Kyle Vandalist
You would actually need almost half a million dollars to take that much BPC in one dose. And you'd have to be injecting round after round after round. And even then, like, it's just speculative that that's the LD 50 of us versus a tylenol. If you, if you consume a whole, a whole box of that, you're almost dead. Like you need NAC therapy.

And it's a life threatening condition, yet that's so easily accessible. There is definitely a lot of background forces at play. Politics and companies and money behind. Yeah. Chatting about this a lot recently.

And I think unfortunately, what's happened with the FDA's compounding ban of these peptides is they've driven people online and they've actually sprouted a lot of online vendors similar to my company. But unlike my other companies, like limitless, they don't provide certificates of analysis, they don't provide purity reports. And a lot of people just say, I felt absolutely terrible on this. There's no real regulatory body that's going to stop these companies from selling these things to people unless someone has a really negative effect. And I kind of feel like maybe that's the play here.

They're seeing what peptides are doing to people, how they're reversing diseases. They're not just, you know, putting a band aid on it. And by taking away probably the most pure source, which would be a compounding chemist, that sort of opens it up to the Wild west and all these companies that, you know, people, I know how much these products cost and some of the prices that companies sell them for. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't seem possible.

So in my mind it's just like, that's not possible. Therefore they're not using either the right amount of it, if they're even that ethical to use the right peptide in the first place. Or they're just making you inject saline water. Or even worse, like it might be something completely different. Really going for a trust, a trusted company is something like, not only I'm saying that because I am one, but it's just important for the safety and the longevity of peptide therapy for globally, we can't have these go away because, you know, so healing and yeah, need them people, they took him away from the compounding chemists.

But it's not stopped people from taking them. It's just made people find another way to do it. The genie's out of the bottle and people know how beneficial they are. And it's just driven people to online vendors and like, good for me, good for limitless, good for other companies selling them. But it also opens up that risk that I'm not willing to ever compromise with my peptides because I don't want to be the one that ruins it for the world, you know?

Jenny Jones
Yeah, I know. And that's where I think. And it's almost like word of mouth, right? Because everyone's kind of like, well, which, how do I know this is a good source? And that's why it kind of screwed things up.

It's like, okay, we rely on the FDA, rely to make sure that this stuff is good quality, but then they take that away and now we have to like figure it out on our own, you know, and so I get those questions a lot of like, where should I get my peptides? What? You know, it's just like this whole word of mouth thing because it's like the wild west. It's ridiculous. Yeah.

And kind of the stem cells too. I think stem cells right now are also in the little wild west of like, where do you go? What do I do? You know, they can be very healing when you go to the right source. I want to, I want to loop back to something we were talking about earlier, and that's like, I kind of only partially gave my protocol for more detoxification.

Kyle Vandalist
So I'll go very quickly through it all. The quicksilver ultra binder or some binder that contains either fentonite or titosin was the first thing I take. Then later on I take Tutcar liver complex, anything with Nac or taurine or calcium, deep glucorate or citrus spectrum. All these are fantastic for helping support phase two liver detoxification, which is the real crux of the liver support that you need to focus on. NASA molybdenum selenium.

They really help with the glutathione recycling, but you can also take liposomal glutathione and then even further back. And part of that second phase of supplementation is the KPV peptide. This one is the peptide that has made the most significant difference for my mold healing. And that's because it is derived from alpha msH. It's 100 times more anti inflammatory than alpha MsH.

And to give some backstory to what alpha MSH is, if you don't know, it's one of the primary anti inflammatory pathways in the brain. It's part of what's called the melina coordinate anti inflammatory response. And a lot of the time when people are in mold, they can't sleep because, you know, there's so much inflammation in their brain that their melatonin productions is reduced by supplementing with KPV, basically supplementing alpha msH. But on steroids, it's 100 times more potent by weight than alpha msh. Wow.

It's a fantastic peptide. It does it make you sleepy? Not. It does have an antihistamine effect. So some people, I've heard it can make them sleepy.

But not only does it help with that melanocortin system in the brain and everywhere in the body, but it also helps with the gut lining too. It's very effective for mcas for antihistamine, but it also promotes the healing of the gut and other organs that might be getting damaged, like your kidneys from mold. So that's probably, I think a lot of people are pushing this peptide now as like the primary one to use. And it doesn't have much risk associated with its use comparative to other ones that are used in the space, like VIP nasal spray. That one's called vasoactive intestinal peptide, and that's really good for mold illness too.

But there's the nuance to that one. If you have sirs versus if you have mcas, mast cell activation syndrome. A lot of people with VIP nasal spray might take that for their mold and then they'll feel absolutely terrible because it can actually drive mcas versus chronic inflammatory response syndrome, it can be beneficial for. So those two are the kind of endothymos and alpha one like you took. Those three are the primary peptides for mold detoxification.

And the KPB is the only one that I really needed to take to get me sort of ahead. But I was also taking it in GI repair and standalone. So bind bile, detox, and then gut support. That's sort of the process for my sort of supplemental regime and then the exercise, of course, to liberate the toxins too. Wow, that is amazing.

Jenny Jones
I just, I feel like everyone has mold and toxicity lately, so I think this is going to be so beneficial for people to understand the process because it's not just one supplement, you know, just taking the binder, like the bile, the, you know, the liver support, like all these things, you know, opening our detox pathways. Like all this is just like, it's a whole process, right? Like our body is not just the gut. It's like, starts from, you know, from the mouth, all the wind goes through everything down to the colon. Exactly.

Support all the organs. And even like something I didn't need, something someone else might need is like some magnesium oxide. It's a terrible form of magnesium, but it's a good biomover, bowel mover, not biomover primarily. Getting out of the mold as best you can is your first and only really effective step. As I said, when I was living in it was everything with a life jacket.

Kyle Vandalist
Histo resist I had to make to help with my histamine intolerance and my mast cell activation syndrome. But that only worked to a certain extent. I actually didn't think the Praq worked when I first pulled it out because I was taking four or five of them. But my histamine levels were so high because of the mold. It was only when I got out of the mold that I realized, oh, this actually works really well.

That's great. And I knew Gi repair worked really well, luckily, before I was in the mold. But seeing that it didn't actually help really all that much with my gut symptoms when I was having really high exposure. Yeah, it's kind of humbling. Where was the mold from?

Jenny Jones
Like, I've also. You have kids as well. Do you think your kids were affected by it? I know they were, yeah. I've heard a lot.

Like, there's a doctor here that, I mean, his passion came because he was seeing so many kids with these, you know, these issues, and he realized it was always come back to mold when they're like, I've done everything. The mothers would come, and they're like, I've done everything. And I don't think people realize, like, it could be in, you know, your kid's bedroom and causing these issues with them. Like, one had these rashes and just, I don't know if his eczema or something and couldn't eat. Like, it was scratching himself, this kid, and it was the molecule.

And so I think we look at this as an adult, but it also can affect kids if it's in their bedroom or, you know, specific situation. So where was your mold coming from? And then did you also kind of help your kids kind of do some detox as well? Yeah. So this has been the really annoying and frustrating part of the detox is I have a one year old son, and his test results came back at the same time as mine, and his were horrible.

Kyle Vandalist
He had really high levels of gliotoxin, which comes from linoleum flooring, or what's called lino flooring, which is where he was crawling around on it. He was every day crawling around like a little demon. And just like that, far away, like, centimeters away from the lino flooring, which if you lift it up, there was aspergillus and penicillium mold growing underneath it. And that was because the house we were living in was a renovation. It was poorly done.

It was cheaply done, and they just knew there were problems. But just band aid or put stuff over over it so it wasn't visible until you pull these things up. The other issue is building materials. Every room that we had in our house and carpet ended up with mold because underneath it was just cellulose, chipboard drywall material, too. All of these materials are, like, fuel for mold and then all you need to do is introduce water source, it's already in the environment and then you've pretty much created it.

Plus if you have something like Wi Fi or if you live close to a tower that aggravates mold growth and makes it grow, something like, I can't remember the exact statistic but I believe like 200 times faster than if you don't have any EMF exposure to. And that's why I think it's becoming such a problem now because cell coverage service, everyone's got 50 Bluetooth devices including a really high strength for 4g or 3.6 GHz Wi Fi router in their home, that if they do have any mold, they've got the right building materials. They've used fungicidal paint most likely, which has kind of created a fungus resistance similar to antibiotic resistance, where only the really toxic ones can survive that paint and grow in it. And then you've got the EMF, you know, aggravating it and making it go into survival mode, basically where if anything's in survival, remote proliferation is the primary goal to serve, provide itself protection. So there's a lot of reasons why mold's popping up now unfortunately, and we have to deal with it.

We can't put our head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist because if you do that, you'll end up really, really chronically ill. And then only at that point that might be your truck moment that you have to confront it and deal with it. Because unfortunately remediation is usually very expensive and very hard to do properly. This can include throwing out mattresses, throwing out pillows, throwing out clothing, throwing out books. There's a lot that you have to give up in order to get your health back.

And that was our journey. We had to throw out. We went through three mattresses in the other house. We had to throw out old photos, all of my textbooks, all the ones I'd used in my learning journey with my mom's cancer. They're all really expensive medical textbooks, all in the tick.

There were thousands, there were hundreds, not hundreds of thousands, but almost $100,000 worth of materials over the two houses that we've lived in. We've had to dispose of all the couches, anything with cushions, anything that we couldn't treat before or you know, essential oils had to be thrown out.

Jenny Jones
Even in like the mattress because I know of course like black mold or whatever, I don't really understand the exact difference. But you know, with black mold, I know it's like get rid of everything. You have to get rid of, you know, anything that absorbs. So you're saying you just kind of got rid of everything because it's too. You know, it's like if the mold is analogous to a fire, then the smoke is analogous to the spores.

Kyle Vandalist
And the spores actually are worse for you than the mold itself. They are the micro toxins that, you know, end up in your circulation. They're thousands of times smaller, these little fragments of the mole, when you kill it, like you might introduce like ozone or something in your home, but that can make it substantially worse because then it will create all these molecules and spread so small that they can get through your blood brain barrier. They cause that neuroinflammation, which can be horrible and cause basically, for lack of a better word, temporary retardation. With your ability to think.

Like, I couldn't put essentially together when I was in the mall. I had to get on podcasts and try and talk about peptides and complex issues when I couldn't even really remember how to tie my shoelaces. And you're so healthy. That's the thing. I think a lot of people are like, I'm doing everything, what's going on?

Jenny Jones
You know, and it's so scary because it's like a lot of people are not thinking of this. I know when she was in the hospital for like a year, and, you know, the doctors were doing everything. They never checked for mold. She finally went and saw a functional practitioner after being hospitalized many times. They were like, doing these procedures to drain her lymph nodes and doing all this weird stuff.

And it came back that she had high levels of maltoxicity. It's a whole process of what really works. Should I be doing ozone? Should I be doing this? You get into.

And it's a very expensive ordeal as well. And so I think people also are like, okay, which route do I take? You know, I have this much money. What do I do? You know, as well, because it's an expensive thing to go see, maybe even just a functional medicine practitioner.

Kyle Vandalist
All of these complex health conditions like cancer or autoimmune diseases and even mold, unfortunately, like, the tools are there, but they're all pretty expensive, and it's a pretty long process to do it. As far as things that are free, I mean, it's not free because you have to move. But finding if you can house that doesn't have it in it, that will be 60, 60% to 70% of your healing starts right there because you can't get sick in the place that made you sick? Yeah. And then it's sort of, you know, that's when I'd work with a practitioner to make sure that what you're doing is done well.

Make sure you're using binders and using the appropriate supplements, like certain binders work for certain mycotoxins. The charcoal is good. It's kind of like a broad spectrum line. The bentonite clay is probably the best of all the single ingredient binders because it binds to, I think, like, seven of the different mycotoxins that you have. But then you can get really specific.

And if you know, through a microtoxin test which one of these toxins you are really high in, then you can be really targeted and really specific. And that's why the chitosin, or chitosin, is the one that's really moved the dial for me so fast is because the only one that I was really high in being the aflatoxin, it's fantastic for, because aflatoxin from aspergillus niger, it gets removed from primarily through your bile. So I support bile, and then I bind the bile, and it gets out of you so much faster than if you were just to kind of leave it to your regular detoxification process, which I don't think they can cut it. And especially if you have the HLA genes or, you know, you might have candida overgrowth in your gut, which basically liberates what your body has detoxed. And then it just ends up recirculating, and it can just cycle around your body indefinitely until you actually catch it and remove it with a binder.

So I really, I don't even sell a binder, but I think quicksilver's ultra binder is probably the best that there is. I know. I love it. All the things from mold. That's probably that.

And KPV. Am I too, like, if you only had, could buy two products, it would be those two. And then exercise and get in the sun and get in the sauna if it's free or if it's not, just lay in the sun with your binders. And hopefully, you know, if you're not in mold, you'll get, you'll get, you'll get your health back. What do you, when you moved into your new place, how did you, you hired someone to go around the house and make sure there wasn't mold.

Yeah. We had a really good building biologist and not kind of like all doctors. Kind of like doctors. Not all building biologists are the same either. They have to be really stringent with the testing.

They have to sort of lift up the carpet, check the smooth edge, which is that nail, those nails that hold down the carpet. That's usually pretty susceptible. Look under your dishwasher, look under your dryer, look under every room. Even looking into the refrigerator, like I've. Heard too, like in the back of your refrigerator, that little air compressor or something can be have mold.

Jenny Jones
And then it's just putting air mold straight out than to your. Air conditioning units are usually a very high source of it. And you literally just crop dusts all of your possessions with multiples if they're not cleaned out regularly. If you're in a high humidity environment, that needs to occur every like six months at a minimum as well to sort of stay on top of it because it's just so inducive to growth in that. So there's so many things once you.

Kyle Vandalist
A lot of people actually have like PTSD from old because it's been so traumatic. They've had to throw out all their stuff. They've been bedridden from it. They've had that mental challenge. And even like, from a relationship perspective, it tanked my testosterone.

I didn't want to be intimate with my partner. And then we had all sorts of issues because of that. Like, that's something. And not only wasn't just a mental thing, it physically, like, it basically just didn't work downstairs for me. And I'm 30, that really shouldn't be an issue.

So if you know people, luckily, we're kind of both on the same page and we understood why, so we're able to get through it. But I just wonder how many people's relationships are affected by it, by mole from that level. But also, when your liver's backed up, you get really angry. Bilious is a term that people used to use sort of back 50, 60 years ago, and that was just described. Someone who's grumpy and bilious means that their bile is not flowing.

It means their liver's backed up and they're angry. We had nothing, and that was pretty much because of the mold and because of the neuro inflammation that we were constantly dealing with. On top of that, I had anxiety attacks and just frustration. And there was so many people who have anxiety. Should maybe do a mold test, you know, our heavy metals test.

Jenny Jones
I mean, these things are like, I think before you get on any of this medication that is so hard to get off club and has side effects, why not do these tests and see? Because I think this happens. You know, this really affects our neurotransmitters, the mold, the heavy metals, these toxins, you know, so I really think these should almost be mandatory tests before almost just with blood work. I really think that it's so common now. And I even know, like, you know, doctors, huge biohackers, it's like they just tested their testosterone.

Okay? It's low. They have high levels of heavy metals. So if we're as healthy as we are, and we have mold and we have heavy metals, I'm curious, people, all the toxic people that are eating a bunch of crap and doing everything, how bad their levels are, you know, because. And that's why I think so many people are on medication, because it's like they just cover up.

Like, I know a lot of men that have eczema and psoriasis, and I had no idea, but they're on medication for it. You know, these low testosterone, like, all these little things. I probably go up to everyone, someone's on something. But let's go back to level up health. So you just came out with some new products and it's your pre workout.

Kyle Vandalist
Yeah, that one's not out yet. I've just released one that's called crevolution, which has that precursor to creatine I mentioned earlier. That's been fantastic. And the reason I think I'm liking it so much is, yes, I've got some strength gained, which is very noticeable. But this form of that precursor to creatine is actually eight and a half times better than creatine monohydrate getting into your muscle.

So that's really good for strength, but it's four and a half times better at getting into the white and gray matter of your brain, too. So this has implications for increasing the energetics of your cells in your brain. And ever since I've been taking that, and I've been taking really strong lines, made mycelium. At the same time. My brain has just been fantastic.

Despite, like, co sleeping with a baby and only getting seventies to eighties in the aura. Sleep scores like those two together, especially creatine is like an amazing remedy to a poor night's sleep. That and tyrosine are really a really good one. Two combinations bring your brain back. Especially the GAA has so much potential for a variety of things that I honestly think, like, creatine is everyone's favorite thing.

You know, most people go to a gym, they're already taking creatine, which is great. It has so many benefits. It helps with your methylation pathways. It helps with muscle strength, your mitochondria. But now this iteration is form of the precursors out there.

I think that's going to take things to a whole other level and become very therapeutic for and go way beyond just the sports science, even preventing against traumatic brain injuries. A lot of fighters are loading up in creatine, but in case they get a head knock or football players, for example. But if it's GAA, then you know you can five x your the benefits from that ingredient. So that's the newest one I've brought out. I'm bringing out the oral fragments of thymosin beta four.

They're called ac SDkp and ac l K T E T Q. They are very long.

Jenny Jones
I don't even know how you remember all of these. They're so long. It's like. I am also the graphic designer for the company too. So I have to write them down and the copywriter.

Kyle Vandalist
So I do a bit everything. I see them about 30 times before they actually stick in my brain. So that's the only way. Otherwise there's no way I'm remembering that long of a code. But basically, just in summary, they are the active fragments of that larger molecule, the tb four, which normally people to take that would need to inject it.

I think it's 45 amino acids long, which is too large anyway, even if you were to take it orally to get any oral absorption. But basically they have this long chain, this long peptide, and they cut off the end one side, that's the SDK, and they cut off the other end, that's the LKTQ. And those two fragments are small enough that they can absorb orally and give you the benefits of the whole parent peptide. So that helps with your musculoskeletal injury recovery, that helps with its anti fibrotic, it's anti inflammatory, it's really good for gut health. And it also helps with sort of muscle as well.

So that's like an amazing peptide. It's the second half of the Wolverine healing stack, the first half being BPC and the other half being TB. Wow. So finally, those two together, you can take orally and get a really therapeutic dose of both of them and that can fast track your ear recovery. But the products that I like the most are the ones that have had the most impact on me.

That's the tanabolic product. That's the one I took to bring my test back to optimal ranges. After the mold, there's one that I made called total recon, which kind of targets all of the mechanisms of fat loss. It has ingredients for lipolysis, like l carnitine and GBB. It's got things to support Dnf ten.

Yeah, that works, I think, almost as well as the GLP ones for Titan. I was going to ask you, I mean, is this something that maybe someone can think of before taking, you know, semi glutide? I think people should maybe think of this before taking that semi glutide. I just, I think there's great benefits, but I think the muscle loss, which I've seen is a huge factor, and then people are not upping their protein and doing these things that are like the whole well round to make sure you're doing it right. I think people are just like, give me that weight loss drug, you know.

What are we seeing in the evidence too? When people go off at their rebound? Weight gain is they get to a higher base level than when they started. And the big issue that I have too is the gastric emptying problem and the effects it can have on stomach acid. Like stomach acid is your gatekeeper to preventing sibo and cfo.

You need strong stomach acid. And if you're taking a drug that basically suppresses gastric emptying, and for all intent purposes is neutralizing the, the benefits of your stomach acid, then that's not going to be good. You need that to break down any protein you consume. That's a big problem. Yeah, that's a big problem with gastric bypasses too.

People think, oh, I'm just going to get back to lose weight, and then they lose the stump, the function of their stomach and the stomach acid. So all these short term fixes, I think fundamentally, people need to not reach for the short term, the really quick fix, and just figure out what the problem is. Like most people, diet is a big factor. But I think honestly, as we described, as I mentioned before, my diet was bang on perfect. I'm a nutritionist by education and I practiced what I preach and I still gained like six kilos of fat when I was in mold.

No matter fasting, I couldn't do keto. My thyroid went to crap because of it. Making sure your environment is dialed in is probably the first thing you can do for weight loss. But yeah, not to knock semiglutide, I think it has a place in low dose, but things like Dnf ten don't tend to have any side effects to it. Using these things first before you just go try and go for a home run at consequence, I think is probably a good idea.

And even things like akamansia mucinophylla that directly increases glp. One, even todka that bile acid, bile acids increase glp release as well. There's many ways you can go about. Prebiotic fiber or something. Exactly, exactly.

Right. Yeah. So I just like, I love these things and I love biohacking and I, and I think there's really magical things happening with semi glutathione and all these things. But I think people need to realize it's not just the one fix all. Like, it's like you have to have the nutrition, you have to have the sleep, you have to detox, you have to, you know, add these other things and supplement sometimes with deficiencies, you know, so it kind of like all plays together.

Jenny Jones
And then, and then the last one to the GHKCU, which I think people are really starting to pay attention to, you're also. Are you coming out with some type of skin? Yeah, it's very close. The brand's going to be called Kyana. When it finally releases.

Kyle Vandalist
It's just so hard to do skincare and do it right because you have to. Unlike a capsule where you just throw in the ingredients, make sure they interact with each other within the capsule. There's so many elements to it that everyone has different types of expiration dates. And I know, I just did a whole podcast with the founder of young Gooz. I'm like, oh my gosh.

Jenny Jones
And then even the, you know, the encasement of the product to make sure that it, you know, it doesn't expire or stays. And so all these things that come. With skincare that you just, we've even experimented with running liposomal forms of the skin peptides too. But we found, all right, when we liposomed it, it didn't actually have as good of an effect on the skin because it went systemic like we actually noticed. We did the BPC in a liposome thinking this will be fantastic.

Kyle Vandalist
We'll finally be able to use a larger peptide in skincare. And then it just didn't really have the effect we wanted as a liposome. So then we removed it and like, okay, it works again, the same with the GHK. It didn't really have an immediate effect. And these other botox like peptides, like the stack aid and the argolines, making them liposomes basically just change the kinetics, the pharmacokinetics of the ingredient.

And instead of them having that local topical effect and reducing lines and, you know, having that acetylcholine inhibition that botox does. It just went too deep and it didn't work. So there's been so much, so much work trying to get it perfect, trying different ingredients, and then also cross checking every ingredient with the environmental working groups, a list of ingredients, you know, making sure every ingredient is safe, but also is effective as well. And, and trying with things like hyaluronic acid. And then realizing, okay, maybe this isn't actually that good of an ingredient and finding alternatives to that.

It's just been the longest work in progress that when we finally release it, I think we're up to iteration six now. And that's the one we're running with. Wow. When it comes out, trust me, it'll be the best on the market. I think young goose will be like, oh crap.

Jenny Jones
I know. No, I really appreciate it. Stuff to do because it's like we want that clean, you know, that clean beauty, clean skincare and like, there's a lot of clean beauty. But you almost like described it as like all like face wash, you know, because, yes, it's not really like doing much. You know, it's not like stimulating or like our nad levels of our skin or all these things are rejuvenating.

It's just kind of like getting off that makeup. So, yeah, I really, I really love that these peptides exist though. Like there's people are becoming a kind of overdoing it with the injectables botox. So if we can provide an alternative to it, not that a little bit. It's like, again, the dose makes the poison.

Kyle Vandalist
And every time we do something, we take a risk and botox does come with a risk profile. So if we can have peptides that are going to actually restore the health of the skin and reverse the aging process, stimulate stem cells, which is we age. You can't just tell people to stop taking something they love without actually providing an alternative. So that what I'm basically trying to do. My partner really has had some negative impacts from, from Botox.

When she took it reactivated steam bar and she's seen people getting, what is it called? Botulism. Botulism or something. I forgot the name. But it's basically they get a bad reaction to it and their face is completely frozen and the muscle as well.

In their face. There are a lot of unspoken negatives or maybe they are spoken about. There's a page on Instagram called Botox reactions or something like that. Sharing the, the negatives to that. But, and then even injections, I think these fillers and they don't disappear and a lot of surgeons that are doing facelifts and stuff too, as you get older, they're like, it's so you could, it's so much harder to work with and it's really hard.

Jenny Jones
Like, it just keeps building up and getting displaced. And so over time, it just kind of deforms the face. And then when you want to have maybe a facelift at 50 or, you know, it just makes it that much more difficult for the surgeon as well. So it's like, yeah, I think just like these peptide alternatives are hopefully the solution to our wrinkles and our pigmentation. Stem cells and peptides.

Kyle Vandalist
Honestly, I think the issue with the current one two combination that most people use is the hyaluronic acid or the fillers stretch the skin, but then simultaneously the Botox freezes the skin and actually you lose the muscle tone. So it's getting straight and then you don't have any time to sort of rebound it back, so you end up. People as young as 15, I'm seeing, are actually taking. It's getting a bit out of hands and it needs some regulation, in my opinion, because the long term negative effects of these things, that's why I think even if people don't actually stop doing it, taking something that can restore their skin health from inside out, like, you can take oral ghk and it'll help on the deeper layers of it, whilst just simultaneously taking a topical ghk to work on the epidermal layers as well. So really restoring the collagen networks, helping, helping basically bring the skin back to a more youthful state, which is going to be needed if you are using those things.

That's sort of the purpose behind it. A lot of everything I do kind of tends to have a purpose. I don't just make something for the sake of it. They're all to help a certain sector, subset of the population. The GI repair and the gut health stuff.

I think 80% of the population itself, the like 70, 60, 70% of people who are mold affected, I don't think. People are thinking about their liver. I ask people to like, do you ever test your liver? Do you do the, you know. And people are not thinking like, hey, I need.

Jenny Jones
I mean, especially people, I think now people are becoming more aware of not drinking so much, but a lot of people have drink a ton and just that completely takes away your detox, you know, like, so then you're just, you're adding in the toxins and taking away your detox pathways. So it's like it all comes back to that philosophy of choice. Like, if you choose to do these things, you need to supplement. Like, there are some. Mitigate it.

Kyle Vandalist
You can take your binding. I'm gonna biohack. Like, I think Ben Greenfield just did a whole, like, podcast about drinking. And I'm like, yeah, these are the things. If when I do drinks, I do these things, right?

Jenny Jones
Like, we take pre workout supplements. Why are we not taking this, like, pre drink supplement and taking our minerals and our glutathione after and making sure we're doing the least damage, you know, because I made that choice to go out and have a drink, and now I would like to do the least damage by, you know, biohacking. We choose to flood, we choose to drink, we choose to even exercise over exercise or not. You know, there's so many things that we actively make the choice about EMF or no EMF, living in the city or living in the country, just knowing. That's why I think we're in a golden age is we have the tools at our disposal, if we choose to use them, to bring us back to a baseline level.

Kyle Vandalist
So that's why I'm really optimistic and positive about the health space. And, you know, I don't think disease can really get too much worse than it's at now. So if we can start educating people about alternatives, stickers like, you can't just tell people to stop it without swapping at first. And then eventually, you know, then people can make sort of larger scale changes. Once they've got those easy, short wins under their belt and they start feeling better, then it's like, okay, this is my new way of life.

I think they can. They can now choose to supplement something that might bring them a short term win, and then that might go to, okay, now I finally have enough energy, or I'm not bloated in discomfort. I can now go for a walk or go to the gym. And then once you start seeing the progress from that, it's like, okay, I'll take something to accelerate the weight loss. I might take a thyroid support supplement like thyroid fixer or total recomp or just l carnitine.

And then that, you know, you compound your wins until you get to where, wherever it is and however long that takes. But I really think the tools are at people's disposal. All the education's out there. There's so many books and audiobooks and podcasts, and there's just never been a better time. And, you know, that's what I'm trying to do with level up, is to provide one of those tools for people with a product that work, products that work, that don't have fillers that are exactly as they say they are on the label, which can be a problem for some companies and that don't have any of the contaminants.

So that's my contribution to society, is just giving people the right tools to help them get their health. I love it so much. I just, it's such a great supplement. Like, I just, I'm so picky about my supplements. I make sure I, and I have always come out with like anything I say, I'm like, this is the best of the best, right?

Jenny Jones
Like, I don't want any fillers, I don't want crap, I don't want one of these, like these sugar alternatives and a lot of supplements and these things that I'm just like, I just want the supplement, right? Especially if I'm going to be taking it daily. I don't want those additives, you know, it's not like I'm taking it once a week or once a month, you know, thing. It's like I'm taking it daily and that adds up. So I want to make sure it's good quality, you know.

And all your stuff is just so amazing. No fillers, just great quality. And I love the stacks. Like, all the stacks are just like. I do help some fillers.

Kyle Vandalist
I'm not completely out of the woods from that one, but I use either has an unavoidable function or I don't think it's particularly harmful. Like magnesium stearate is one that a lot of people to speak out against. The reason it's supplementate in manufacturing is without it. Magnesium, as a lot of people know, if you've rubbed magnesium oil is pretty lubricating. It's slippery.

And then the steric stearic acid is a fatty acid. So that's also lubricating. We use like small amounts of that that coat the manufacturing tools to allow all of the ingredients to flow and not get stuck in the manufacturing process. This allows better distribution of the ingredients. It stops clumping and it just streamlines the manufacturing process.

You don't need to use that for every ingredient. Most of the products I make don't have it in it, but ones that have like tributerin, for example, that's a fatty acid, it's a butyric acid form. That's a glycerol and three butyrate molecules that really clumps because it's fatty. And if you didn't use magnesium stearate, you would have some capsules coming in at like 200 milligrams, some being full. And then it not, it actually having a lot of oxygen in the capsule too, which would lead to it expiring so much sooner.

So everything tends to. Interesting. I didn't even think of this. But this is what happens when you start your own supplement company. And for the peptides too.

Yeah. This is all learning on the, on the fly. You have to use things to make sure that you get that even amount of the peptide in every capsule. It's like a silica, colloidal silica, I think is what we use in ours. Just to make sure that when we dose it at 250 micrograms, not milligrams, which is like a half of a capsule, but micrograms, which is one like half of a percent of a capsule, that we know that that's consistent amongst every, amongst every capsule that you get.

So you are getting exactly what you think you're taking. So it's pretty hard to avoid all fillers. But things like todka, we don't need to use them. That flows really well. Ingredients like the liver complex doesn't have anything in that that doesn't flow well.

Really need it sometimes on the label. I've just made the label before the product's been completed. And there's like, says magnesium sterate, but there's none in it at all, which is, yeah, it's, it's, it's one of those things that's pretty prolific. But the big ones that are problematic are things like your ace K's, your aspartame, your artificial colorings, your artificial flavors of gorillas. Yeah.

Yeah. Like I'm a little like kind of going away from stevia too. I know it's a big common one, but I've just listened, kind of been reading a lot of effects and I, and I'm like, even your sex drive too. I don't know. I've heard all kinds of things with stevia.

Jenny Jones
So I'm trying to just do mostly monk fruit and once in a while I don't care, you know, but I'm just trying to not make that my daily. I just knock worse to stevia than I do sucralose, which is interesting that you brought that up. Stevia really disrupts my gut and gives me a lot of flatulence. Versus like I take a one called muscle text euphoric, which has, I think they have monk fruit and a small amount of sucralose, which is one I normally avoid. But the microgram amount of the sucralose disrupts my gut more than the.

Kyle Vandalist
I think you'd need about five times more stevia than you would sucralose to get the effects. Again, everything has a bit of nuance to it. And I think sucralose is bad as it is, and as much as it can disrupt your microbiome, if you don't use much of it, then for most people it's not going to be a problem. Same with stevia. A lot of people don't have issues with that.

But ones like monk fruit, I really like. I've never had an issue with monk fruit. Ones like alveolo ones like d? Ribose, these are great sweeteners. And I've tried, I'm making a pre workout and trying to flavor it without the artificials is so hard.

Jenny Jones
Really. We had tormentin, which is a protein based sweetener too. And that's sickly bad. Like, when you first consume it, it's great. It tastes just like you'd want it to.

Kyle Vandalist
But because it's a protein and not a sugar or a sugar alcohol, it just sticks around on your mouth and it accumulates, and ten minutes later you still got the taste in your mouth because the proteins taking so long to break down that you just end up getting a bit nauseous. So there's so much in manufacturing in supplements once, and that's interesting. And that I've learned on the fly and skincare flavorings now it's good care. I actually admir chevron with symbiotic up his products, like how actually tastes good. He's got a activated charcoal with the glycerin and all these things.

It tastes pretty nice. And his greens even taste nice. I'm like, wow, he's. I know that he probably put a lot of money into the flavoring and making sure these taste good. So there's all, they do taste good.

Jenny Jones
Sometimes just like, I just want that taste. I don't even want the vitamins, but oops, there you are. But, yeah, this is so great. Oh, my gosh. I just love this conversation.

Is so help. I'm sure this is going to help so many people. I have learned so much from you. You are just like a wealth of knowledge. And what you're doing in this space is amazing.

Honestly. It's like, it's helpful, can help so many people, and I'm so excited. And you're based in Australia. So do you ship? Does everything get shipped from Australia?

Does it take a while to get to the US. If people want to order your supplements. Average time from purchase to delivery is about six days. So it's not too much worse than if you were to order from an american company. There is the fact that it does have to come from the other side of the world, so we can't ever get past that thing.

Kyle Vandalist
But, yeah, we always send everything express, and most of the time, unless you order a heap, gets across without any issues. Okay, so everyone can go to level up health, lvl health. They can put in my code biohacker Blondie, and get 10% off all your amazing supplements. I'm just, like, loving all of them. And then, since this is the Biohacker Blondie podcast, I just want to ask you three of your favorite biohacks.

Sure. Binders is now top of my list, as I said. Yeah, I think that's one of mine too. I was going to say sauna, but I've actually stopped using it because it's being a bit too much for me. So maybe my next biohack would be my boncharge red light therapy mask.

I really like that in combination with the topical peptides. And then third would be my vagus nerve stimulator. That's been really good too. Having been in mold, you kind of get put in what's called cell danger response, where your autonomic nervous system gets thrown out and you're kind of stuck in Paris in sympathetic. So by putting this little clip on your ear, or I think even Brian Johnson uses one, I've forgotten that brand's name, but I basically, just within a few minutes, can put you in a deep Paris sympathetic state, which is very, very, very beneficial for many things.

Stress reduction, healing, and digestion. It's. It's awesome. It's probably my top item biohack at the moment, but, yeah. Oh, I love that, because, you know, these tech devices, you just never really know.

Jenny Jones
I'm like, did they do anything? And so it's the one that Brian Johnson has. I have. I've seen that one. It's the same one you're using.

Kyle Vandalist
Yeah, it's the Vegas nerve stimulator. I can't remember exactly the brand. Yeah, it was like an s or something. I can't remember, but. Yes, yes.

Jenny Jones
This is so great. Thank you so much for coming on my podcast and doing this. I learned so much. Everyone's gonna learn so much. You just have so much knowledge, and I'm so grateful for you bringing these oral peptides in this space.

So thank you for coming on. Right at the end falsetto is the name of the Vegas nerve stimulator. Okay, yeah, I think a lot of people need that. Anyways, thank you. Thank you, Kyle.

Thanks, Jenny thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of the Biohacker Blondie podcast. I hope you found our conversation with Kyle from level up health as enlightening and inspiring as I did. If you enjoyed this episode, please take a moment to share it with your friends and family and leave a review on your favorite podcast. Platform support helps me reach more listeners and continue bringing you the best in health and biohacking insights. Don't forget to check out the show notes for links to everything we discussed today, including that special discount code for level up health.

Stay healthy, stay inspired, and keep biohacking your best life. Until next time, this is Jenny Jones, aka Biohacker Blondie signing off.

Everything You Need to Know About Peptides and Healing From Mold With Kyal From LVLUP Health

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