Camila Cabello

Dax Shepard
Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert. I'm Dan Rather. I'm joined by Monica Poust. Hi. That's your french name.

Monica Padman
Ooh, I want to be french. And people don't know if they should call you poust or poust. Monica Poust. Is it Monica poust or Monica Poust? And I'll be very french about it.

And I'll be very snobby. You won't answer, right? You'll just go like, oui, oui. Oh, we like it, though. We love the French, though.

Yeah, I love the French. They hate our gods. I know. That's why we love them. Yeah.

Dax Shepard
So charming that they hate us. Today we have a mega star on Camila Cabello. This was a party so delightful. Camila loves armchair experts. Oh, so flattering.

Oh, it makes it so much more fun interviewing people who know all the background, inside jokes and everything. Yes. Camila is a Grammy nominated singer and songwriter. Her albums include Camila Romance Familia, and her new album, C XOXO, is out June 28. But people will already be partying to.

I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. And people might have heard from. Fact check our fact check. Yes, we did an Easter egg. Yeah.

My daughters have, for whatever reason, forbade me to listen to that song. The cutoff, apparently, in their eyes, is somewhere before 49. What would I. Would I say that north of. South of.

Monica Padman
I think south of. I think you're going south, right? You're going downhill. This is like the downhill uphill thing. So I'm gonna say they've decided you have to be north of 49.

Dax Shepard
I don't know what that actual cutoff is, but for them, I was too old to love. I love it, I love it. Do you think maybe they had a make out to the song and so the fact that you're singing it is. Just too much grossing them out? I don't think so, but that could happen in a few years.

Camila Cabello
Yeah. They'll be like, oh, gross. This is my make out song with my. My dad's singing it. And now that I'm realizing my boyfriend looks like my dad.

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Monica Padman
He's in a chance. Hi. Please excuse my four minute party now. Oh, my God. Hi.

Dax Shepard
Hi, there. Welcome. It's so nice to meet you guys. I am such a huge fan of. No way.

Not possible. My mom was like, are you excited? I tell Liz all the time. Yes. I can believe you.

Monica Padman
Because, Liz, they're friends. Yes, but you didn't bring your mom to this. You brought her to call her daddy. Okay, well, I'm sure that's our fault. I'm sure we said no.

Camila Cabello
Yeah, you guys were like, mom, you can beat it. Moms can make vulnerable conversations difficult, to be honest. And I'm not just saying this. Not my mom. My mom is very cool.

Dax Shepard
Not the same one. That's nice. I would not want my mom in here. I wouldn't want my dad to hear most things I talk about. But my mom is.

Camila Cabello
Okay, guys, you have no. When I tell us, we love hearing it. Say more. I know the history of the chair and that you used to sweat. And the other one.

Dax Shepard
Still sweating. This one. Right, but you can't see it. Maybe you'll tell us something about us we don't even know about ourselves. Oh, my God, I can't wait.

Camila Cabello
Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know. I only know from what I've heard on the episodes. What do you hold? Cause you were holding something in the other interview I just watched of you, and I thought it was a vape, but it seems to be a lip moisturizer.

Yeah, it's just some aquaphor. I think I just like holding things. Yeah. If you saw my call her daddy one, that was my first interview that I've done in so long. I was so fucking nervous.

Monica Padman
You were? Yeah. For this one, I'm so excited because I know the best friend's name. He's Aaron Weekly. Best friend.

Dax Shepard
Aaron weekly. Right. I know all about it. First of all, you're so stunning. It's kind of overwhelming.

Camila Cabello
Oh, my gosh. Well, I didn't expect you to be so, like, jacked. Wait, can we stop and pause? We have to stop and pause. Okay.

Monica Padman
Because Dax says that no women noticed that, and you just proved me 100% correct. And if you're sure women notice that. But I'm saying it like, you know how bros will be like, bro, you're so jacked. I'm saying it in, like, also, don't you think in a broken safety in. The fact that I'm 60 years older than you 100%.

Camila Cabello
I'm literally saying that to you as objectively like I'm growing up. But that's what I'm saying. And not even in a sexual way or a romantic way. He just says women don't notice it, and they obviously do. And I say they do.

Monica Padman
And he's just never wanted to. I think also, because I listen to the podcast so much, you know, how you put a face or a physicality to a voice, and then when I met you guys, I was like, whoa, this is, like, the real thing. You know what I mean? Yeah. 3d.

Camila Cabello
Totally. Cause features get really blurry on pictures. I don't feel very photogenic. I used to be when I was. One, when you were a baby.

Monica Padman
But then it. Most photogenic baby of all time. Wow. Super cute. How cute is that baby?

Dax Shepard
Really? So cute. And I felt like such a creep because I recognized that it was baby you instantly. I was like, is that baby Monica? I feel like I'm, like, literally president of the fan club.

Camila Cabello
I'm not actually. You know what? I'm not gonna say it. Cause it's gonna sound like I'm fishing. I was gonna say, I actually don't feel like I'm that photogenic either.

Dax Shepard
Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. And you're afraid people are gonna be like, get over yourself. You're fucking beautiful. Right, right?

Look. But all things are true. I know one side of my face looks fucking crazy on pictures. There's one side of my face where I literally look like a different person, and one side of my face where I'm like, wow, I'm like a supermodel. Same.

Same. So I'm curious. Oh, which one? Oh, that's the right one. Oh, thank you.

Okay, so Kristen and I kind of are made in heaven because she has that side and I have that side. And when we stand next to each other, it's always the correct side. Perfect. You and I could be bros. I would always have to stand on your right.

Like, if we were looking out that way, I would always be on your right, you'd be on my left, and we'd be golden. So, wait, so you think, like, stand up so we have the same. Cause this is my good side, and that's your good side, right? No, that's good. Oh, wow, how cute.

Camila Cabello
But the hard part is when. Oh, no. And we'd have to do, like, the prom picture. Yeah. Because we have the same good side, which happens, and you get creative, or you just embrace the bad side, and you're like, I promise you I'm cuter than this.

Monica Padman
This is me. Okay. Now, super self indulgent, but I feel like it'll be informative. When did you start listening and who turned you onto it? Because I want to say you were dating Shawn when we interviewed him.

Camila Cabello
Yes, I was. Okay. Because I remember we were both such huge fans of the show, and he was so nervous to be on the show, and I was like, I don't feel like I was even ready to be on the show until this point in my life. Like, I just would have been, like, just too excited. But I think I've been a pretty long time.

Dax Shepard
Was there a guest that got you to check it out for some reason? The David Sedaris episodes are really? Cause you guys have, like, four with him. Yeah, he's our return. Yeah, yeah.

Camila Cabello
David Sedaris returns. But I can't remember. I listened to a lot of the actors that are on the show and David Sedaris. Okay, now, why were you nervous to be on call her daddy? Just.

Dax Shepard
Cause it had been a long time since you were interviewed. Yeah, it had been a long time. And I was like, fuck. Anything that I haven't talked about, it's all gonna come up in this one interview. Yeah.

Did anything naughty come up that you. Were like, yeah, but I feel like I was okay. Like, I knew the Sean stuff was gonna come out. I knew the group stuff was gonna. I love that I'm just bullet pointed.

Camila Cabello
This means I've really overcome my fears. And I was, like, bullet pointing at all the things that I was trying to dodge. Cheat sheet for me. Two years. Yeah, exactly.

I just had forgotten how to be for a bit. What were you doing? I was writing and I was working, but I had just stopped going interviews. I had just stopped being a public facing personality. And it was a conscious decision, right?

Yeah, it was a conscious decision. I think I just needed to do it for my mental health. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, when I'm talking about it with my therapists and stuff, it's really healthy to be who you are out loud and who cares? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Who fucking cares? Fuck you guys. I'm here. Yeah. The thing that I.

Dax Shepard
We just had a guest on that I was bonding with over Tiffany Haddish. It'll be out by then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the thing she and I both had, the feels we maybe have a touch of is it's a power thing for me. It's a control thing.

Like, I'm not gonna let you shame me. So I'm gonna be right out in front. I'm just gonna go like, yeah, here it is. And I'm not ashamed of it. That is the power move.

I'm not giving you the power to whisper. And. Oh, she doesn't wanna. You know, it feels way more empowering. This is extremely timely.

Monica Padman
I probably shouldn't say it, but I'm gonna. Is it gossipy? Yeah. Well, no, it's not gossipy. I love some hot goss, for sure.

Right before I got here, I got some information about a previous guest whose publicist has reached out. So there's all these articles about this person that are ridiculous. So ridiculous meaning frivolous. It's Maya Rudolph. Yes.

Camila Cabello
Oh, so it's excerpts from the episode that she did. I don't know what they're saying. There's something happening, I guess, where they're calling her a Nepo baby and they're referring to this episode, but there's no reference of Nepo baby. There's nothing. But also, I feel like it's also kind of a neutral phrase.

Like, if you are a Nepo baby, why does it matter? Then you just are. Let's add, nepotism cannot get you on the Saturday Night Live for seven years where you score every night. What the fuck are we talking about exactly? Nepotism's like the dumb, dumb son running the Fortune 500 company.

It's not literally the obvious talent that Maya Rudolph possesses. Yeah. So I don't know what they're saying. Cause I haven't looked. But it is so annoying that someone decided to grab onto something.

You can't control other people's stupidity and their moods. And how they fucking wanna react to. You and don't give them the credit. Now I'm 27, and I think I'm finally really letting go of what people think of me as just none of my business. I can only control being me.

And like you said, if you're upfront about all of your shit, then it's like, well, you can't say it to me first. It's so hard to get there when you have started really young in the industry. I still am. Like, how much should a person be triggered by when I see something that hurts my feelings on the Internet? I don't know if the amount that I get triggered is normal.

So I just delete the shit. I delete the app. Yeah. Just like, I can't. It is hard to know, right?

Dax Shepard
I'm writing about my childhood right now. Are you writing a memoir? A book? I am, yeah. Oh, my God, that's so exciting.

And I'm describing why I had to read out loud. And I was stuttering and fucking chorting and making all these weird noises, trying to sound out shit. And I could see my face, the freckles, there's too many. And it just looked like a cloud of fart gas. It was like yellow freckle gas on my face.

And my teeth were so sharp. You did, like, a reading. I've been talking about the experience of being in class with dyslexia, and they call on you to read, and you're, like, trying to read the thing and you're fucking the whole thing up. But there's not only that, I can, like, see my face fucking it all up. And then I'm describing my freckles and my crooked teeth and my huge overbite, but I'm acknowledging, like, I don't know how that was relative to everyone else's experience.

I feel like I trend really self conscious, like, above normal self consciousness. Like, even before you were in the public eye? Yes. Like, as a kid, I felt the searing self consciousness, like, the spotlight effect. Yes.

It fucked me up. But then I'm also probably like, no, it's probably standard, everyone. Yeah, we all probably are, like, panicked half the time, I think. Especially if you're sensitive. I find that my favorite people, a lot of the times, for some reason, have some anxiety because it makes them really empathetic and sensitive.

Camila Cabello
And people that are just like, I don't care in the blase about everything are more likely to be dicks sometimes aloof. Monica and I had this little. It wasn't a riff, but she was using an emoji, just for a few weeks, I think she was trying it out. Ooh. And it was the emoji with the girl, like, throwing her hand.

Monica Padman
Oh, yeah. And that's her. Which one? What does she, like, conjure? Like, is she like a promoter, or is she, like.

Dax Shepard
Whatever, after, like, 20 of these? I told her I don't like it. It feels aloof, like you're over everything. It hurt his feelings. Yeah.

That emoji's like, I don't give a fuck. And I'm like, I don't really wanna interact with so much. You want, like, a panicked emoji? Yeah, it's kind of weird. It's kinda like you want me to have all.

Monica Padman
No, I'm kidding. Yeah. I just don't want you to be over everything. Like, ew. Yeah, that's how sensitive I am.

Dax Shepard
That an emoji. I'm super sensitive. Yeah, whatever. This is funny, though. Cause it depends on what your.

I wasn't. You were getting pretty rapid fire with us. I was getting fast and loose. Well, I had to test out all the iterations. Like, are we meeting at twelve?

Camila Cabello
No, I don't fucking know. We'll see. Figure it out, maybe. Okay. I was gonna ask this question at the very end, but you just said it.

Dax Shepard
And I'm curious. If you had to choose, you were all powerful. Would you have started your career when you did? Or would you start the full ride you took at this age? You're 27, and one year from now is when I started my journey.

Camila Cabello
You were a full person. One argument I can make is, like, you're already post. You're like, seem to be. And spiritually, where I was at at maybe 39, which is kind of cool, but then I don't know. What are your thoughts?

I don't think I would have changed when I started, because so many parts of my personality today are because of the tools and the skills and some adaptive and some maladaptive. Oh, I like that word. Maladaptive mechanisms that I had to develop to survive and thrive. For example, I'm really into Buddhism. That would have never happened because I needed those tools.

Being on stage and being calm and being able to pull through. But also, it just carries over to other lifestyles where I feel like I'm wiser than I would have been. Yeah. I don't know how you enter into this huge arousal cycle at like 15, where it's like, heightened, heightened, heightened. Dopamine.

My nervous system is definitely. Oh, shot. Oh, my God. Poor baby. In my much more minimal experiences than you've had.

Dax Shepard
It is a very heightened experience. And then you get into this, I think, dopamine deficit cycle. When those highs are gone and normal life resumes, it could feel very low. It would be so obvious. You discovered Buddhism.

Cause I gotta regulate in some way, right? Or the amount of self growth. Podcasts, like armchair expert that I listen to. I listen to so many. That's a maladaptive one.

Camila Cabello
Yeah, that's a maladaptive one. There's some adaptive ones. But I listen to a lot of stuff where maybe other people my age weren't listening to that. You grew up fast. I grew up fast.

But then there's been times, for example, COVID, I learned how to drive and I learned how to cook. And I was just living the most normal life. I don't want anything salacious to come out of this. But also, you were like, I fucking do. Okay.

Dax Shepard
You. I'm just kidding. I have a look like this town empire. I'm an EPO baby. Exactly.

Monica Padman
You heard it here first. Nepo baby from Cuba. I don't even know if there's such a thing. You were having a domestic experience too during COVID Yes. I became a way more well rounded adult.

Camila Cabello
I was like, what do I like to do? I learned how to fucking ride a bike. I had never ridden a bike before. Oh, my goodness. It was literally.

What's that movie that Emma Stone is in? Oh, yes. Yes. Poor thing. Yeah, I was like, favorite.

Dax Shepard
Or Billy Madison, where it's like, what if you went back to fifth grade? You finally had time to resume 9th grade? I left in the beginning of 10th grade, so I never had the high school. My sisters were picking up prom dresses for her now. Wait, Sophia's that young?

Camila Cabello
My sister's 17. You know my sister's name? Did I just tell you? No, I know it. Wow.

Dax Shepard
Okay. Such fucking legends. I can't even take it. I didn't realize there was a ten year gap. Ten year age gap.

Camila Cabello
Yeah, I know. It's green. She was born here. Obviously, she was born here. And she is living all the reckless teenage hood that I didn't and that I still feel like.

Do I feel jealous? There were times where I feel like I had bad COVID. I feel like I was just going through a rough time. My OCD was so bad. And I felt like my sister was having the best time.

And I was like, the fact that I'm jealous of a 15 year old right now is crazy. But I did miss. I'm always looking for that carefreeness and that return to childhood, in a way. Well, let's start at the beginning, okay? Cause it's fun and unique.

Dax Shepard
Let's start with your dad. Because I wanna know what's happening where a man from Mexico City decides to emigrate to Cuba. My mom emigrated to Mexico. That makes sense. Yeah.

Camila Cabello
When she was in her maybe early twenties. She was kind of let down by the revolution. My grandparents were a part of it. And then there started to be the power outages and the lack of food. And that's when she realized, oh, this is not the promise that they sold us.

And so her and her cousin went to Mexico. Can I add one fun thing right there? Yeah. I went to Cuba right when you were allowed to. Kristin was shooting there, and I took the babies there, and we had this amazing.

Dax Shepard
I guess maybe like a fixer. She was, like, 27 year old girl. Really fucking brilliant. Grew up there, spent her whole life there. And she was explaining, after the revolution, they assigned people housing.

That was the housing they weren't building. More housing. So then you just inherited your housing. So it's like if your great grandparents got a shitty apartment, that's it for the bloodline, right? The people that got the really nice house, tough shit.

That's what they got. It's so fascinating trying to comprehend a world where it's like, no, this is the family house, and that's the only house. No matter how hard you work or how smart you are or how high up you get, there is a ceiling. That's it. That's the house.

Camila Cabello
That's the car. Everybody gets. I can't remember what it was, but it's maybe like four eggs per month or something like that. There's rations. And so in the beginning, people started off being like, wow, there's healthcare for everybody, and nobody gets left behind.

Dax Shepard
No homeless people. Exactly. So my mom and her cousin go to Mexico really quick. Was it easy to leave and go to Mexico? Cause you weren't allowed to leave and go to the US, right.

Camila Cabello
You can leave. I think it would have been hard to come back or something like that. I get more and more information as I get older. Immigrant parents are such liars. It's crazy.

Monica Padman
Yeah, they do lie a lot. They lie so much, right? They're like, wow, I didn't know you were fucking married before my dad. Yeah, they're crazy. Wow.

Secrets. Things were different then. I know. Yeah. So many secrets.

Camila Cabello
So they go to Mexico. I think my mom was working as. I don't know if she was an architect or a bottle girl. She was both during her time. What's that?

Dax Shepard
But she was trained as an architect in Cuba. Right? She was trained as an architect in Cuba. Like, you just bring the bottles to the club. My mom was and is hot.

I don't doubt it. She and I. The same age. How old are you? 49.

Camila Cabello
No, she's older than you. She's 54. I'm in rare. You're stacking up a lot of people. You already have somebody else's mom, too?

Dax Shepard
I'm an addict. You know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have the disease of more round. Oh.

Monica Padman
Camila Mendez, whose mom is an airline. Sorry. Yes. I said the wrong words. People skewer me.

Camilla Mendez. No, I said airline stewardess. You can't say that. Oh. Flight attendant.

Camila Cabello
Flight attendant. Apologies. I didn't know that. But anyway, she meets my dad. She's a bottle girl at the club.

My dad is a bartender, so he's a stud. Because the bartender's always a stud. My dad is a stud. I have to show you a picture of my dad. Date him, too.

Dax Shepard
I'll date him, too. Yeah. Great. Yeah. More, more, more.

Camila Cabello
The disease is more. So they start dating after maybe seven months of being friends. And my mom in Mexico, she stayed with a family friend from Cuba. But I'm really proud that I feel like I come from a family of fucking hustlers. Yeah.

My mom didn't have her period for, like, eight months because at one point, she was living on Diet Coke and chips for, like, days and days. And I love this story about my parents. My dad, while they were dating, he had this watch, and he, like, sold his watch to get her, like, a bunch of groceries in the fridge. This was actually before they were dating. So he just did this as a friend.

Monica Padman
Aw. Good friend. So he was always, like, a stud. And a good guy? Yeah, good guy.

Camila Cabello
Good guy. So he was always taking care of her. And so then she got pregnant with me. I think maybe, like, in the first year that they were dating. No judgment.

I didn't mean that with judgment. Within the first year. And so then my dad traveled from Mexico to Cuba with me. So you were born in Mexico? No, I was born in Cuba.

Sorry. Yeah, yeah, born in Cuba. Okay, great. I skipped some chapters, but, yeah, they would go from Cuba to Mexico. I went to school in Mexico, too.

Dax Shepard
And then mom takes you when you're six to Miami, Florida, under the false pretense that you're going to Disney World. Exactly. What? More lies. How long did it take before you actually went to Disney World?

Camila Cabello
A year. A year? That's not terrible. No. Although when you're six, that's 20% of your life.

You were. Yeah. I'm like, when is it? Wait, so she takes you there? What happened?

Monica Padman
I don't know. Cause the mom's a Hustler, so. The mom's in Cuban. She's like, fuck this. Let's go check out Mexico City.

Dax Shepard
Still not good enough for me. Let's go to Miami. She was just like, this ain't it? But, yeah, I think she was just like, I want to go to the fucking United States. Yes, of course.

Yeah. The land of hustlers. The land of hustlers. Let's get it done. Exactly.

And you go and you end up staying with grandfather's colleague friend. And you live with her. Who becomes godmother. Yes. Wow.

My lord. My lord. He done did a deep dive on the fam. So we stayed there for a month in a room in our house, and my dad had not yet 18 months for him. He's got to wait a year and a half.

Camila Cabello
Yes. Oh. Cause of a visa situation or. Bitch. I don't know.

I really. There's so much I don't know. You'll find out in 15 minutes. Yeah, she'll tell me at some point. Not even.

It'll just come out through somebody else asking her a question. So then she started working at Marshall's and started going, like, night school, taking english classes. And we got our own apartment. And then a year later, I had this little Disney calendar where I would cross the x's. Until when my dad would come, and my dad told me this.

He was like, when I first got there, you wouldn't talk. Like, you were so shy. I feel like this is such a kid thing to happen. You're like, I'm so excited to see my dad. I'm so excited to see my dad.

And then my dad came, and I didn't know how to talk to him. Cause it had been so long. Yeah. Cause you're right. At that age, one year is one 7th of your life.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. And it was a year and a half, if my facts are right. So we're talking, like, a fifth of your life. I wonder if something more happened. Did you happen to listen to the Gabor mate episode?

Camila Cabello
Yes, I probably did. And I fucking love gabor mate. See, like, if I hadn't started in this industry at 15, would not know gabor mata. Right, exactly. There's no way.

Dax Shepard
I was 48 when I learned of Gabor. I fucking needed him. But he tells the story of having been separated to evade nazi capture, then reunited with his mom. And then even as, like, a one, one and a half year old child was icing out. Mom.

As this protective thing of, I'm not gonna trust you again. Cause you're gonna go. I'm not gonna go through that again. So I do wonder, even if it was like, excitement, excitement, excitement. He's here.

Oh, my God. Can I trust myself to reattach? Yeah. Or is he gonna bounce? And I feel like there's probably so many ways in which immigrant kids carry that stuff in our bodies when we're older.

Camila Cabello
That instability, it gets passed down. I just had therapy about this. Cause I was home. I mean, home. I was with my parents recently, and the last day of the day, I was so anxious.

Monica Padman
I was like, what's going on? Why am I so anxious? And I get anxious around them a lot. But I was talking to my therapist and I was like, I guess I feel like, how are they surviving? Like, are they okay?

They're in this world of white people. I mean, it's just deep. I'm not thinking that consciously that they're in this world of white people. It's a feeling. It's just a feeling.

And my dad was like, well, what do we do about the ballet? Where do we park? And I was like, it's what? It's like, it's fine. It's, like, overly triggered.

Yeah. So it's like, what do you mean it's fine? Why is this so stressful? And then I was realizing, well, I need to say that to myself, why is this so stressful for me? And it's because every time they don't know what's going on, I feel like they're gonna die.

Like, how can they survive in this country? Like, they're exposing themselves as being other when they don't understand these. Yeah. And it has nothing to do with that. But I take everything like that.

Camila Cabello
Yeah, yeah. You carry so much of that as well, I assume. Yeah. Now, and I'm not trying to make you cry, but I think when you're 27, I'm assuming you don't have a terribly clear memory of being separated for that year and a half. But it's part of your story.

Dax Shepard
And it's like, oh, yeah, it's just a piece of your story. But I can tell you, as someone who has an eight year old and an eleven year old, if they hadn't seen me at six for a year and a half, it would have a big effect on them. Especially if you're a daddy's girl, I'm. Such a daddy's girl, then, yeah. It had to be a very disruptive bit of time.

Camila Cabello
It's crazy because I think my brain is like anything that feels emotionally traumatic, I just black it out. I don't remember some chunks of my life, to be honest. We just had a memory person on and he was talking about that. Really? Does that happen?

Monica Padman
Yeah. And there's some conscious choosing of what you keep at the forefront. My brain is so excellent at that. Similarly, we learned, which is so fascinating, is your memories are altered by what perspective you're currently in when you look back on the memory. So if you're sad, you're gonna kind of more dial into those.

Dax Shepard
If you're happy, you'll remember more happy. It's as subjective as the conscious experience experiences, of course. So, yeah, it's hard to really know. What the actual truth is, which is so relieving, actually. I definitely had the habit of going back and trying to just figure out, not from childhood, but adolescence, what was right and what was wrong.

Camila Cabello
And there's, like, something so freeing about being like, I don't fucking know. I'm never gonna be able to objectively assess it all. It, like, always brings you back to. There's no choice but to just fucking be present. When do your memories start?

Dax Shepard
Mine start in second grade, if I'm being honest, I have little glimpses. But for myself, I'm probably second grade out and I have a pretty good picture. I have some sensory little sparks of things. Our house in Cuba or certain smells will be like, whoa, I really remember this. But I feel like the first visual memory is first grade when it was the first time I liked a boy.

Camila Cabello
And I remember seeing him, and I remember exactly what this little boy's face looks like. But again, look at. I mean, it's so fucking basic too. It's like, you miss daddy. You missed the male attention or the maleness.

Dax Shepard
And then in first grade already, you're like, ah, boy energy. Yes. I always in any guy that I am pursuing, if they have any dad like qualities, somebody like my dad. Yeah, I'm in love with them. Like, I'm always looking for somebody like my dad, but I also think he's the best person I remember.

Camila Cabello
I think you had Gwyneth on, and she always talks about how she was, like, in love with her dad. I'm just like, I want a man exactly like my dad. Yeah, maybe not exactly, but sure. The 2.0 version of dad 2024 version yeah. You know, it's funny.

Dax Shepard
I know exactly what you're talking about, and I know the exact sentence because I happen to be behind her on an airplane randomly coming home from Nashville on Easter. And she was directly in front of me, and I leaned over and I was chatting with her, and I said, when you said, everyone has a father, but if you're lucky, you get a daddy, I remember that. It wasn't here. She said that I have to be. It wasn't here.

Right. She said it on stern. And then we talked about it on here. I remember you talked about it on here. Yeah.

And as I'm saying, daddy, I'm fine. And I'm sitting next to my nine year old while I'm saying it. But yes, I couldn't agree more. Same love, everyone that was like my mom, anyone that was like my mom, I dated for a very long time. Yeah, I've definitely dated guys like that.

Camila Cabello
For sure. Okay, so you were boy crazy from first grade? Yeah. And then when do you start singing? When do you know that you have a good voice?

Dax Shepard
What pocket of Miami are you in? Are you in a very latin, heavy area? Are you feeling that Miami vibe? We moved around, but we moved into this apartment complex, and the first friend that I ever made in the United States was because we had this boombox and I would bring CDs and we would just listen to music. And then we pretended we were in a girl group.

Camila Cabello
Like, my first friends that I made were always because of singing and music. So anytime somebody asked me, when did you start singing? I can't pinpoint. Music was my number one joy. When is the moment that either your parent or someone you admire says, oh.

You'Re actually good at it? When you go from, like, I sing because I like it and I'm happy to white. I actually have this skill. I think my friends, when I was in elementary school, I remember high school musical had come out, and I would bring my high school musical CD, and I would play the CD and I would try to hit the high notes. And, like, my friends would be like, wow, that was, like, really good.

Yeah, yeah. And I don't know if you had this experience, but singing was like its own form of power currency. In elementary school, like, I feel like everybody wanted to be a singer. Everybody wanted to be on the fucking Disney Channel. You guys are also kind of close to the source of the fire.

Dax Shepard
They're doing a lot of that shit in Orlando. That's delicious. I'm sorry. That is hot. That's so good.

I know. We always feel perverted telling you the name of it. But that is a cream top. Wow. Yeah.

Camila Cabello
This is a cream fucking top. I enjoy it. I don't know. It's working. They can't sell them fast enough.

Wow. How do we get from elementary? Wow. I can hit the high notes. Oh, everyone's kind of into this.

Dax Shepard
Oh, this is cool. I got a superpower to auditioning for X Factor. X Factor? Yeah. Even when I was, like, in 9th grade and when I was in middle school, I just wasn't going out and hanging out with people and partying.

Camila Cabello
Were going on YouTube, looking up the instrumentals of songs and singing. I got more and more obsessed. This is what I like to do more than anything. And I was a really big pop culture fan even when I was little. I had a Justin Bieber phase.

I had a one direction phase. I had a Taylor Swift phase. Some of these phases are ongoing. I was about. They're still happening.

Monica Padman
Yeah. I was gonna say earmark Taylor Swift. Cause it's crazy to have a phase and then open for her. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, my God. I know. Yeah. That was fucking crazy. There have been so many moments that have been like that for me, where I'm just like, I just can't.

Dax Shepard
Do you have a hard time internalizing them when they're happening? Yeah, and sometimes I feel like I can't. I bet you guys feel like this. Like if your favorite person in the world is sitting right in front of you on this couch. Camila.

For me, sure. Yeah, whatever. But you know what I mean? Like, you can't really. What'd you say?

Monica Padman
I said Matt Damon. I can be honest, right? If Matt Damon is here, you're not gonna watch, like, five Matt Damon movies the night before. Cause you can't. You'd explode.

Camila Cabello
I just did Coachella with Lana. Yes. I've been telling people. Oh, I haven't been telling people. I told one person.

Monica Padman
Tell us. Tell us. I have been telling person. I've been telling many people I had to not listen to her music for, like, four days because I can't be a fan. Yeah.

Yes. Being a fan is tricky, problematic for performance. It is. Yeah. I had to do that with Letterman.

Dax Shepard
I had to do ten days with my therapist of going live. I love the ten days with your therapist. That is so real. Yeah. Like, I gotta walk in there.

As for this 90 minutes as a peer. But sometimes I try to. This is the buddhism thing is right now. I just had a moment where I was like, wow, really? Fucking ten this in you've been listening to this podcast, and now you know what the inside of this room looks like.

Camila Cabello
Nobody really like. You guys don't take pictures in this room. Well, it's. We do for the social, but you. Obviously, I'm still the biggest ever follow us on Instagram.

I actually do. I've never seen this room in here, though. It's really such a nice vibe. I love it here. I, like, don't want to leave.

Dax Shepard
You chose to not wear headphones. Explain that to me. I feel like I'm a little bit of a sensory overload person. Yeah, I could see that. You can see that, right?

Camila Cabello
I have not let go of this chapstick. I know. I kind of want you to vape. I mean, I don't want to free her health. Yeah, of course.

Monica Padman
Cause she's 17. I know. Cause it's fun. I know. Like, if I started hearing my.

Camila Cabello
I would just. Monica's so embarrassed for her dad right now. I love it. I might even start. Wait, what?

I missed this thing. I was like, oh, yeah. Cause that's fun. And she looked at me like, dad, stop trying to act young. Then I recognize, oh, I'm embarrassing Monica, which can be a very fun thing.

Dax Shepard
And I started leaning into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you vape? I did. I had a phase.

I smoked forever. I was a smoker. I haven't smoked for 19 years. And then in COVID, best friend Aaron Weekly was visiting. Aaron weekly.

Camila Cabello
Shout out Aaron weekly. Boom. He was smoking darts, blowing camels up on a vacation, and it was the first time I ever wanted one. And I was like, well, I can't smoke. And then our friend Matt had vape.

Dax Shepard
I'll do that for a week. Cut to a year and a half later. I had to quit that. Still vaping? Well, I haven't for a while, though.

Camila Cabello
My dad does it because it just really calms him down. Does it really calm you down? Yeah. I can't tell if I have an addictive personality or not. Well, I want to get into that.

I think I do have an addictive personality, but I think because I started so young and x factor and whatever, I think I have a very, like, military discipline. I'm very disciplined. So I smoked a cigarette in Paris, and I fucking loved it. Sure. It's the perfect place to smoke.

It tasted so good with the espresso. And, like, because of that, I was like, I can't do this every now and then.

Dax Shepard
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Oh, this makes me think of the Motogpu race last weekend because my man Marquez went for a pass on the last lap. Three turns left. Impossible. Dived up the inside, went for it in one glory. It was spectacular.

Which basically means that sometimes it's better to push for what you want. I do a good deal of pushing for what I want. Of course, I'm always trying to stay on the right side of being pushed, but I go for it. Yeah, you have to. Yeah.

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Monica Padman
Yeah, you did. Yeah. And it put me in the greatest mood. We had a long, big day, and I just felt much better for having. You work not to out you.

You were a little grumpy going in. I was. I was. I was. Debes, Rob and I received some texts.

Dax Shepard
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Camila Cabello
We're all interrupting. Like, that's. Yeah, like, just so. My daughters were making fun of me yesterday, okay. Because I told them I was interviewing you.

Dax Shepard
Cause I knew they would be excited, and I was trying to steal your cultural capital to make them like me. As you should. Yes. And I want this to be. I was pronouncing Camila a little off.

And then on the same day, this is yesterday, my one daughter said, how do you say that word? Cause on the radio, there's a song called Espresso by. Yeah. Sabrina Carpenter. Sabrina Carpenter.

Camila Cabello
Think about me. And then my daughter said, pronounce that word. And I said, espresso. And she said, but do people say espresso? And I said, yeah, people say espresso.

Dax Shepard
People like me say espresso. Oh, interesting. Even though it's wrong. And so the joke yesterday was, they told me I should say, would you like an espresso, Camila? So I could fuck up both things out of it, right?

Camila Cabello
Espresso, Camilla? Yes. And you just said you were drinking espresso. And I just thought, that's impossible. You, on your own, brought up espresso.

Dax Shepard
When they told me, I had to say to you, that is a koinki. Did espresso wrong, Sam, that's a coinky drink. That was a zap to my brain. Whoa. Okay, now, so you smoked that one cigarette and then were you inclined to do it again when you got home?

Of course. I always do. I miss cigarettes. You do? Like, I'm a smoker and I never, never have.

But here's what I would say that's kind of parallel with the addiction and the OCD is you're spending your summer as a kid in your room listening to YouTube. You fucking busted me. Right. So I think where it parallels addiction is like. You did that once.

It gave you a feeling. Yeah, no, you're right. My therapist would say we actually don't even call it OCD. We call it obsessionality. Oh, okay.

Monica Padman
Oh, that's fun. Because why? I don't even know. I think something about OCD. Just that.

Oh. Cause it has disorder in it. Yeah. It's triggering for me for some reason, just. You have an obsessive nature.

Camila Cabello
I have an obsessive nature, which is a superpower. It really is. You gotta learn to wield that sword, Hunter P. Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

Dax Shepard
Part of me is like, stop trying to euphemize everything. But at the same time. What does euphemize mean again? It means, like, make it sound better than it is. Yeah.

She had a strong smell. She smelled like shit. Yeah, that's a euphemism. Okay. What?

Monica Padman
That you should use a euphemism if. Somebody'S in the room.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. Yes. We can be honest amongst ourselves. Yeah. Amongst ourselves, for sure.

But I don't know that we need to euphemize every single thing. And it is weird to call OCD a disorder. Cause it's a personality type and it's super beneficial. And I also think there are some things that don't fit into neatly labeled boxes. Like, sometimes it is just you're being obsessive.

Camila Cabello
It's not necessarily obsessive compulsive death or pathological. Yeah, because then it's placebo effect, and you start giving yourself symptoms that you didn't even have. But when I was younger, I definitely did have. Fucking textbook. Did you have tics?

Yes. Yes. Hug my parents for 11 seconds or else they'll die. Oh, yeah. Pray to God, then kiss your fingers three times or else you'll have cancer.

Like, all of that. Just adorable stuff. Why do we do that? I had one time where I was in 7th grade. I got my period.

Then I didn't have it for a year, and I thought I was the Virgin Mary. Oh, my wonderful. I wonder. You and Liz are friends. Yeah.

Monica Padman
That's so Liz. And then there was the whole neurosis. I would just, like, pray every night for God to take away the new Jesus Christ that was being born in me. Ah, you didn't want to be the new virgin? No, I was going to.

It's time consuming. Motherhood. Too much responsibility. Too much for a 7th grader. You gotta guide this messiah.

Dax Shepard
Messiah? No, totally not me. God, please. Yeah, it's like I'm stressed out. Cause I think my kids have the potential to be good singers.

I hope we get them there. Or writers, but not the mass. Oh, wait, wait. I have a question for you. Yeah, so my mom is like, I really hope my sister isn't in the industry.

Camila Cabello
Are you like, I hope they're not, or are you like. No, I hope they are because they'll have somebody great to guide them. Well, what I think is, I don't want them to do it as children. It's really important. Yeah.

Dax Shepard
I just want them to have stuff to draw on. I want them to fuck around in New York for two years without thinking about people around. Like, if they're gonna be filming them. Fuck up pretty big time. No, fuck up.

Camila Cabello
I just started giving myself permission to fuck up, literally a year and a half ago. Right before that, it was like every mistake I made, I would just punish myself. I was so hard on myself. Well, the world was watching you. It wasn't even in your head.

Dax Shepard
It was a reality. But. So I would like them to have childhoods, but I do have a lot of friends that don't want their kids to go into it, even as adults. And I'm like, I'm sorry. I wash cars for fucking 16 years.

What job do you think is more pleasant? You. What? For 16 years? I know your father and I have this in common.

I washed cars. I detailed cars from 14. I guess I just exaggerated 14 to 28. So 14 years, I washed cars. Tens of cars.

Right? Cause this is so cute. Monica, the mom, who had been trained as an architect who came to America and worked at Marshalls, ended up taking a job working at an architect firm because she knew Autocad, she taught herself autocad. And then the dad and the mom formed a construction company. Wow.

Named after the little girl. Yeah. And then at a family business construction company. Oh, my God, that's incredible. And I think this is also, like, an immigrant parent.

Camila Cabello
Like, even now, my mom cannot fucking sit still. Yes. She just has to always move going. But wait, talking about the industry, I agree. With you, like, go say words in front of a camera and hang with a bunch of creative people.

Dax Shepard
How could that not be great? I feel really lucky that I've held on to the sacredness of what made me get here in the field. Like, I love music and art so much. If anything, I love it more and more. The more I'm exposed to things.

Camila Cabello
I watch an amazing movie or I read an amazing book or I listen to an amazing album. And sometimes it's frustrating. Cause I do feel like there's a big difference between, like, commerce and art. Actually, by the way, you know what? Let me go back.

I'm not trying to sound like a pretentious dick douchebag. Yeah, but I'm saying it's different. And doing something that you love for work has its own trickery because you find yourself being like, well, I wanna succeed in the business sense, but at the same time, I never wanna lose the childlike integrity of why I do things. Don't you think you're dancing with the devil and that what you don't wanna do is move, service the commerce. Cause you're afraid that it'll no longer be art.

That's what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to sound like I'm fucking like Michelangelo. Right. You should want the success that you're trying to prevent yourself from letting it guide your artistic output. Yes, it's hard.

I've done that for 95% of my career, which is really good. That's a huge. It's a really good batting average. And I feel like now, for example, in this last album, hundred percent, I never, ever did anything that I'm not obsessed with. I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it.

Dax Shepard
That's the song. I figured you knew that. So young. Monica, watch out. I'm younger than you right now.

Camila Cabello
Take a hit of your vape after you say that. I am really delighted to hear you say that because I do think what could happen starting at 15 and it being professional since 15 is you could kind of be like an Olympian, where you fall in love with a sport, and then the sport becomes everything. And then you don't enjoy doing the sport anymore. No. There can be something fun to the competitive aspect of it, too, for sure.

But sometimes I feel it in myself, and I'm like, the competitive thing has to take a backseat, and you have to get back to joy again. That's another thing. I don't think it's black and white. I don't think it's, like, don't be competitive or not. It's like, what's the ratio?

Dax Shepard
That you don't feel sick about yourself or disappointed. Exactly. And it's constant. I love this meditation that I did once where it's like life is like riding a bike and you're constantly micro balancing. You're constantly like, ooh, little adjustments.

Camila Cabello
Little more weight here. Just tiny adjustments. Did you do the meditation after COVID, when you learned to ride a bike before that? Yeah, I know. Very confused would have been a bad metaphor.

What are they talking about? I thought it was all about peddling. I think the zone is like, I want to win, but I'm not rooting for someone to fail. That's like the line. I'm not actually seeking someone to fail, but I am seeking to win.

And I think that's something we don't practice a lot in our culture. Like, anytime I catch myself feeling jealous of someone, I did this last night. I practice genuinely trying to find the space where I feel happy for them. Who are you jealous of? Because that's really hard to believe.

Dax Shepard
I'll list some of people I'm jealous. Okay, go, Vince Vaughn. Still to this day, I get jealous. Whenever I feel like they're having their moment and I wanna fucking have my moment. Well, how could you be a performer and not be jealous of Taylor Swift?

Camila Cabello
Taylor is a little different, though, because Vince Vaughn was your contemporary. Taylor, I don't feel like is like my contemporary. She was like, before me. That makes sense. It'd be like me being jealous of Bill Murray.

Right? That's probably not a good reference for you. Right? Like, obviously he's the goat. Not gonna be jealous of him.

Dax Shepard
And he's 15 years ahead of me. It's more like your contemporaries where you're like, like, fuck, I want what she's having. Yeah. I do think there is a competitive drive that is important and fun. It's like why I love sports documentaries.

Camila Cabello
Like, I love Kobe Bryant. Muse. This is telling of you. It really is. That informed a lot of my teenage years.

Dax Shepard
Do you harness black mamba? I did, for sure. I really do. You know what that means, Monica? No.

So he was beloved. Then he had legal troubles. Accused of rape. Needs to be said. He was not convicted of that for this conversation.

But everywhere he went, people started booing him. And it was like a huge 180. And at some point it was like, either gonna kill him or he said, you know what? Now I'm black mamba. Fuck it.

Camila Cabello
Yeah, let's go. And he actually thrived on going into Denver and having them boom. And be like, I'm gonna shut these motherfuckers. I think Beyonce has a similar thing where I've heard her say, not personally to anything she said when she's angry, it makes her a better performer. It makes for a better show, which is maybe maladaptive.

Dax Shepard
I would argue it's adaptive. It is adaptive. There's a positive outcome out of something negative that's adaptive. I think you're right. If you turn something good into a negative that feels malicious, a very powerful.

Camila Cabello
Energy behind anger or sadness or rage, and it's huge. Yes. There's, like, sexual. Yes. And then there's justice in revenge, and they're huge.

Dax Shepard
Yes. You know what? There's times where I remember this performance that I did singing to my dad, the first man performance. I will say, I think love is a huge energy source. I remember being like, fuck whoever's in these first few rows.

Camila Cabello
This is for my family. And that shit. My hand was so steady because that energy is so strong. But that's pure adaptive. We all do it.

Monica Padman
We all use anger and revenge. We can use it positively. I do think that would technically fall in a maladaptive category. I think the black mamba stuff was more in my teenage years, when I was struggling a little bit more. The group stuff was hard.

Camila Cabello
Everything was hard. I felt misunderstood sometimes. Like, it was just all fucking hard. And that was my way of releasing that, was harnessing that. But now I don't draw from that place as much.

Dax Shepard
Yeah, you're right. Again, everything's in moderation. I do hear a lot of people tell their story, and so many people's story involves. They told me I would never blank. And I'm.

I'm like, who? It's like 80% of people's stories they told me I would never buy. Who's they? I think a lot of people invent the they that told them they couldn't do it. I think that they is actually themselves were terrified they couldn't do it.

Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. And others this kind of fictitious they that said they couldn't do it. I find myself doing that sometimes, and then I remind myself it's never as personal as you think it is. Exactly. And it's like maybe they just didn't see it because they weren't seeing it that particular Monday, but you're giving so much energy to that.

Camila Cabello
They just went and had breakfast after that. It's just never that personal. Yeah. So, okay. You go to X Factor.

Dax Shepard
You go through the process. They don't air your thing, which is interesting. They couldn't get the rights for respect. You sang Aretha Franklin's respect. What a swing for the fences.

Oh, my God. Well, I made it the poppy version. Okay, go ahead and sing it for me now. I don't mind if you do. Oh.

Camila Cabello
E s p c t. That's all I'll do. Cause I have the fucking. Wanda, you're supposed to then go, oh. Definitely not a choice I would have made now.

I was fucking bold as hell. I love it. I just was like, nobody's gonna sing this song. Yeah. In this way.

When they didn't air my audition, that started building my underdog story for sure. I was like, they didn't believe in me. Now come to find out, like, six years later. No, they just didn't have the rights. They can't afford the rights.

Yeah. Like, it wasn't personal, bitch. So they didn't air her going through the audition process. But you go to boot camp, and then you get bounced out of boot camp. Your story ends on X Factor at boot camp, but then they bring you back and they bring you back with four other people.

Monica Padman
Yep. Monica. I did not know this story until today. They bring her back with four other people, randomly paired, and they perform together. Okay.

Dax Shepard
And that becomes Fifth Harmony. Whoa. The random group? Yeah. Did you think we knew each other before?

Monica Padman
I assume that with all of these groups, and it's never that way. Like, Spice Girls was placed together. And even more and more now with the K pop groups and stuff, it's. Such a fascinating dynamic to do that because if you look at all the great bands that historically have existed, it's like two or three of them all went to height. Like, you look at Led Zeppelin, people knew each other.

Dax Shepard
Chili Peppers, they're best friends and they form a band. But in the band, everybody had their role. There wasn't, like five lead singers. That's another insane dynamic. You have five lead guitar players.

Camila Cabello
I think that's probably why those bands were more sustainable, durable. Yeah. So you were 15. What were the age of the other four? I believe it was 1515, a few months younger, maybe like 1617 and 20.

Dax Shepard
So it's not like you were 15 and they were all 18. So it was a little smattering of ages. You were older than one person and then three were older than you. Yep. Also, it's a unique moment to fuse you guys, because you have all just.

I hate to use the word failed, but you guys all came there with a dream, and then that was shut down. And then now this is this weird second chance. So I would imagine that's an interesting dynamic. I was such a big one direction fan that I was kind of like, whoa, this is crazy. I'm living this reality.

So were you immediately kind of embracing of it? Oh, I was immediately embracing of it. Okay. I was like, this shit is fire. In elementary school, I always pretended to be in girl groups with my friends.

Right. I was, like, literally in four girl groups before fifth Harmony, made of, like, seven year olds. But out of five people, there's no way all five had that same. No, no, no. All right.

And we don't have to name any names. I have no interest in the reactions, for sure. Understandably. I mean, I think I was lucky I was already a one Direction fan. I was just crushed that I wasn't gonna keep going.

Camila Cabello
This was the closest proximity I had to actually doing this. In your mind, this was the one shot you'll ever have in your life. Yeah. So I was like, I'm going home now. Hell, no.

I'll be fucking janitor here if you want me to. I was just happy to be back. And also, to be honest, the one direction thing, I was like, wow, this is so sick. So I was really happy. And then you obviously, you guys hit the chemistry lottery in that.

Dax Shepard
As a group, it immediately works. That's also one. It really is. And even seeing stuff. Cause there was, like, a brief moment on TikTok, I guess, where there was a bunch of videos of us coming back, and I was like, wow.

Camila Cabello
Yeah. I could see how, as a fan, it's really interesting to see, like, five totally different personalities. It's a crazy social experiment. It is. Yeah.

Dax Shepard
It's like big brother or something. Yeah. It was definitely not boring. How immediate was it? Should I put these on or.

Camila Cabello
No. What's wrong? Hello. Do you like it? I actually really like it.

Dax Shepard
Well, you know why? I was gonna say you might. Cause it actually limits the amount of stimuli. No, I actually really like it. Yeah.

This is how good your voice is. It's, like, making me want to talk more. Like, I like it. Same, same, same. How immediate is that first performance on X Factor to.

You guys have songs in your touring shit. You're really making me draw on the memory bank. This is where I definitely have some gaps here. But we went right into it. We were nonstop working for, like, five years.

Camila Cabello
I think we maybe had 15 days for Christmas break every year. And besides that, we was working, I think, right? From X Factor. Yeah, that's 2012. And then by 2013 you have an album.

We went right into the studio and. How big are the shows you guys were playing at the. We were like in malls. Oh yes. What was that like?

Dax Shepard
Was it fun or memories? Hilarious memes. Now people who saw you like sears. Yeah, literally just giving are all with fucking forever 21 in the background. Yes.

Sunglass mobile kiosk behind you. Yeah, literally. What did it grow to though? The size of the venues? You were playing some arenas and everyone's parents are with them during these tours.

Camila Cabello
When we were minors there was all parents and then there was a point where there was like two parents at a time. It was cats. It was capped probably for fucking budget reasons, like just hotel rooms. At any point did you start getting. I think it would be insane excitement and then at some point I'd be like, hmm, somebody's making a lot of money around here.

Dax Shepard
Did that ever click to you? We actually always made the same amount. I more mean whoever's on top of. All those 0000 I think that's the. Promoters, not the band members.

Camila Cabello
Right, right. More like the Simon Cowper and the La Reeds and the promoters and all that. Maybe some parents were smart enough to figure that out. Honestly, until maybe the past few years I just never really thought about money. Yeah, this is Monica's gift.

Monica Padman
Well, but also cause you're doing the thing you like. Yeah, we all were. I think the currency of that time when you're a teenager is not money. It's fame, power, ego, how people look at you. So I think that was the currency that we were all.

Dax Shepard
How was your ego doing at 1516 1718 with that amount of attention and approval? Be honest. I would have been a monster. Well tell me specifically. You mean like how was your ego?

Camila Cabello
As if I was fucking like, yeah, I'm the shit. Yeah. No, I truly was not like, yeah, I'm the shit. I was definitely competitive for sure. You want to be the best singer in the group?

Yeah. I wanted to be everyone. I think everybody did. Sure. It's disgusting.

Dax Shepard
I wanted them to clap the loudest. I wanted them to clap the loudest. I wanted to be the most loved. Yeah. How could you not?

The weird thing. Can I just add one thing that I think is really interesting and it's a gender dynamic. As a girl you're already beautiful. So like guys are an option. I think when you're a boy and you get in that situation you're like, hold on a second.

Every girl here likes me. That's a very powerful elixir. I think that's where I would have destroyed myself at a young age. Girls don't have groupies like guys do, though. They don't.

Camila Cabello
No. Because was it mostly girls in the. Halls are girls and gays. Exactly. Girls and gays.

Yeah. G's and G's. So we're not, like, really getting groupies like that. Okay. We're getting maybe one or two hot, famous people that slide into your DM's.

Dax Shepard
Okay. You live for those one or two pictures. You're like, oh, my God. This is all I'm doing. It is fucking slim pickings out there.

Monica Padman
But they're not coming to the concert because in the patriarchy, they're not gonna show up at this like a bunch of powerful girls. Unless they're smashing. Well, unless they're smart. But they aren't. It's so hard in that dynamic to even admit.

Camila Cabello
Yeah, of course I wanted to be the best. Of course I wanted the most applause because I feel like the demographic at times could be very toxic, and they would be like, how dare she want to be the best? How dare she want the most applause? Fucking bitch. And it's like, well, I'm sorry.

I'm human. We all did. They designed it that way. I mean, five beautiful girls who can sing. Of course, it'd be crazy if you were all at that age, like, yeah, we're super happy to completely share.

Yeah, I'm sorry. It was before we had our prefrontal cortex. It wasn't formed. Yes, yes, yes. I do wonder also, you're from a very individualistic society, which is very well studied and documented.

Dax Shepard
I do wonder if these korean bands that are right, they might be more. That's a great point. Well positioned in a collectivist society to deal with that better. You're supposed to win everything you do. I know.

Camila Cabello
And also how people react. There's always, who's your fave? Who's the best? I think we all felt like, I wanna be your fave. You just want love.

Dax Shepard
It equates to acceptance, which is the nice thing we really want. 100 p. And you're also selling merch, I imagine, like, individual merch. That could be trash. You're not.

Camila Cabello
No way. That would have been a fucking nightmare. Yes. If you were, like, selling ten x of your t shirts to other members of the band. Are you on social media at this period?

I promised myself I would never google myself or search my name on Twitter or anything like that. But you are on social media enough that you can feel it. You know how many followers? That's what would get tricky is there's five members of the group and everyone can see how many followers everyone has. Were you the number one that was followed?

Monica Padman
Don't be mad at her for saying that. Dax made me say that. No, that's just a fact. What's crazy is I do feel like the fans will eat you a lot. Yes, yes, yes.

Dax Shepard
And let's add the layer of misogyny that exists somehow with women, which is like the only story for five women working together, is that they hate each other and fight. That was the desperate housewife story. Any one of these, they don't ever do that when there's a group of dudes. No. Yeah.

Monica Padman
No one's saying dudes have to be. Fist fighting each other in public for that. Crazy. Justin Timberlake wanted to have a solo career. No one's saying that.

Camila Cabello
Hundred percent. I mean, I will say, to be fair, I think the best part of looking at groups, because I remember seeing this from one Direction or Destiny's child. You love seeing the sisterhood and the friendship and the moments of laughing because you want it for yourself. Yes. Especially as a fan, it was a parasocial relationship and you just place yourself in that.

So I actually think people rude for people to get along. It's such an impossible situation. Like, imagine you're a girl of eleven years old, four years older, being thrust into, like, a thing with four other girls. One of them would be great at it and one of them, it would destroy. It would be.

Dax Shepard
It's also personality. It is. It is a personality. It would be hard for anyone, any type of personality, because you can't help but compare. Well, look, I was at the groundlings at 27, 28 in the Sunday competition.

When I say I love everyone there, I would have done anything for anyone there. I would have given them my money. I jumped in front of a train for them. And I definitely wanted to be the best person in that show and I wanted them to clap 20. Yeah, right.

All things were true. All things were true. When you left, what was the main thrust of thing you were desiring? Was it expression? Yes.

Camila Cabello
I was so into songwriting and I just wanted to write my own songs. Who, at that moment that you were about to launch your solo career, were you kind of obsessed with as an artist? Probably Taylor. Yeah. I think she was the person that made me get into writing.

Dax Shepard
That's so cool because the vibe is so different. It's so different. I mean, it really evolved. My influences are so different, but I think I started to find my voice through, you see, like, a young woman who writes about her experiences through song, and it just feels like I can do that. That sounds fun.

Monica Padman
Yeah. I think she's almost the best role model an artist has ever had. By the way, Beyonce's my number one. She fell out of the sky, and so there's a lot of things about her that are not really even aspirational. I can't look and move like Beyonce, and she clearly has a great work ethic, but that's not the thing that was center stage.

Dax Shepard
It was like, she's so glamorous in her fucking innate singing. Well, not innate. I'm sure she worked, but her range and her power as a vocalist is like Aretha. So these are things I can't work and get. And so for Taylor, I think that so much of her success is just based on the commitment to explore herself and tell her story and be prolific in hard work.

That's a really great role model. I think there's different things that I take from both of them. Beyonce, I think she has that Kobe Bryant thing on stage. She's just like a fucking monster. What she becomes when she's on stage, it's superhuman.

So Taylor was obviously someone you were like, okay, were you old enough and mature enough to recognize that the thing she was doing was also securing some longevity for herself. Like, if that was the approach you took, you could more write your own future. I definitely feel like, wow, thank God that I started writing at such a young age. There was an era of people that were maybe just singers, and they took songs from people. And now the industry has changed so much where the songwriters that were behind the scenes became artists.

Yeah. Of those singers that did that are like, oh, shit, who's gonna fucking write my songs? And I feel really grateful to past me that I had that curiosity, because I don't really have to wait on anyone or, like, depend on anyone. That's what I'm saying. It puts you in the steering wheel a lot more.

Camila Cabello
Absolutely. But that's the misleading thing about Taylor. Like, when you say it seems a tiny bit more attainable because it's not, like, dropped from the sky. It is. Her ability to write in a way that's hyper personal yet extremely universal is unparalleled.

Monica Padman
There is not another artist who can do that specifically. There's a new album. People have all kinds of opinions on it. You know what's funny about the way you just said that? I don't know what's happening.

I know, but everyone. But I now think people are shitting on it. Is that what people are? Some people are. It's also the most streamed album of all time.

She's doing just fine. But at first, when I heard it, I was like, whoa, it's a little too personal. I can't connect. And she says, these are poems. But then I listened again, and I was like, no, I can't stop listening now.

And I super. It's a grower, not a shower. That was the Rolling Stone review of it. It said, a grower, not a shower. It's actually amazing.

Camila Cabello
I was gonna say, I think she taught me so much, and I feel like my favorite art now is the more specific something is actually the more universal. Yeah, 100%. And I feel like my songwriting grew so much when I was focused on that. Don't try to make it universal, because then it's nothing. Exactly.

Dax Shepard
Well, the hits start calling fast when you go solo. They're coming hot and fast. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.

I want to go in order. While you wait for your order, I do want to say one thing. Everyone in my panel. Oh, let's see. Can I.

Camila Cabello
Okay. Yes. Matt Damon's in here. Yeah, he is. He lives there.

I am the fastest. Wow, I'm impressed. You guys go in your pool a lot. Yeah, we go in the hot tub almost every night because we sauna every night. Cold plunge.

Dax Shepard
Yep. We have a plunge and a sauna. No, I don't. Cold plunge. She's a beast in the sauna, though.

Her indian blood. She's going in there in her clothes. I did one time go into my clothes just to, like, say bye and chatting. You, like, don't even notice that. Yeah.

Camila Cabello
Sauna. I don't know if she wasn't sweating because she's impervious to heat or she has no water because she doesn't drink water. I don't drink a lot of water. Yeah. So one of the water.

I don't get thirsty. Yes. I don't get thirsty unless I'm working out. If I'm working out, I'm super thirsty. I am with you or in the sauna.

Other than that, I'm not thirsty. I could go literally all day. I don't crave water. One thing I want to say real quick before we come back in, because this happens all the time, and it's important to me that we say, I don't like that. Every time we talk about Taylor, every time we talk about Beyonce, not you in general, the world is doing this.

Monica Padman
Where they are now linked, where we're comparing one to the other. I mean, a part of it's timing, I guess. They both have concerts at the same time. They both have these new albums, but it's always. And even from friends of mine, I know they're like, I'm a Beyonce girl.

I'm like, well, you can be. That's crazy. I don't do that. But I thought it was so sick when they linked up. Me too.

Dax Shepard
Wait, what's that mean? Love it when two bad bitches link up. Like, they were. Like, they just supported each other. Oh, they went to each other's concerts.

Camila Cabello
They're red carpet. Like, I think that's so fire because other industries, you have colleagues and you go to lunch. The music industry is really not, like, that supportive. It's like, can we just hang out? We all do the same thing.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. We're the only four people on planet Earth that knows what this experience is like. Yeah. Like, let's comfort each other. But I do want to.

Monica. I think we're smart enough to make the distinction between what I was saying and what some people are saying. A lot of people are positioning this as who's better. Yeah. That is not at all apples and oranges.

I'm looking at two people that are apex success and how they did it differently. I would say Vince Vaughn and Will Ferrell are like, this two of my comedy heroes, and they had such different approaches. And what were those approaches? And I think it's honoring them to actually break down what their unique recipe is that ends them both here. I'm not saying what you did is wrong, but there is a.

There's a pity. There's a. There's a big conversation out in the world that's specifically about them. And it's a very common thing for female artists. Like, I'm sure you get it all the time.

Monica Padman
You do not hear it as much at all with this man is always compared to this man and who's better and who's. Who's not. That's not true. Monica. In the rap world, you were Jay Z or Nas, and they hated each other.

Dax Shepard
And then it was Prince or Michael Jackson. It's very human for there to be two popular things and you to identify more with the other and then inadvertently make yourself in that team. So it's not exclusive to women. I don't think that's really exciting. I think it's more.

Monica Padman
I think it's prevalent. It's much more prevalent. Okay. I definitely agree with the. Like, they gotta be fighting.

Dax Shepard
Cause they're women. They can't get along. Stereotype that's perpetuated. I think men are pitted against each other, like Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones or Rolling Stones and Beatles. In fact, growing up, my mother was like, we're a Rolling Stones family.

Camila Cabello
Yeah. I definitely remember growing up and being like, you're either a prince fan or you're a Michael Jackson fan. Right? It pervades all of it, to be honest. Okay, so you leave in 2016, and then quickly, hey, mom comes out, you're in a fast and furious soundtrack.

Dax Shepard
Crazy. You go on the Bruno Mars 24 Magic world tour. But I imagine even with that success and excitement, Havana's like, something bonkers is now happening. Is that fair to say? Best selling single of 2018, Spotify's most streamed song ever by a solo female artist.

As much as you wanted to win, when you win that big, then you kind of flip and go like, uh oh. Like, a little too fast. Yeah. Or just like, I don't trust this. Honestly.

Camila Cabello
What I remember. Or you're like, I knew it. I don't think you ever know how big a song is gonna be, but I feel like I know when a song is special. And I was like, I feel like this bitch is special. Yeah, sing it.

Dax Shepard
Whoa. Those are those Beyonce pipes coming in. There was something just kind of weird about it. Those are usually the ones where it either totally goes under the radar or it really connects. People either really get it or they don't.

Camila Cabello
I often know if a song is good when I play it to someone, not because of their reaction, but how I feel. You almost are extra critical because there's somebody there. And if you're, like, cringing inside, you're like, this is not good. You still like, fuck you. Yeah.

Then you know it's good. Hear this shit. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's why it's important to stay connected. If you're always listening to music for fun, you know how a great song makes you feel.

So you know if your song makes you feel like that, and if it doesn't, then you're like, well, shit, this ain't it.

Dax Shepard
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Camila Cabello
What I remember the most about that time actually was, and not to sound ungrateful, because I'm not, but I had my first relationship at that time. Oh, I can't even believe I blew past this. You lived out my fantasy. Oh, God, what was it? So for people who have not done this in their life, it's a very weird experience.

Dax Shepard
It was just, you go out on a publicity tour of some variety, and on your schedule in the morning, you wake up, and you're gonna do the Today show, and then you're going to the view, and you're going to David Letterman at night, and while you're out around town and it can even happen in Atlanta, they send you to Atlanta, and you're gonna do this show and this show. You're at a hotel, and you see other people that are promoting their stuff. So these are, like colleagues that you didn't even imagine you had. And so you go on these shows, and I always had this fantasy where, like, you're in the green room with people and you meet a fellow actor or a fellow something, and you're both out selling your thing. I've always wanted to, like, fall in love with one of those people.

Is this the relationship? This was the relationship, yeah. So she's doing the Today show and meets a guy who's there with, presumably a book or something. He's a life coach. Yes.

So what happened? You're at the Today show. Were you in the green room? I was outside where they have the tv with the scripts. I had actually listened to his podcast before.

By accident or in preparation. I'd listened to his podcast before as a fan. Cause he had, like, a dating podcast. Okay. And he is married now, so congratulations.

Yeah, wonderful. But I was like, oh, my God. I'm such a big fan. I love podcasts, as you can see. And so we went to dinner that night, and that was my first relationship.

Camila Cabello
It was late for my first relationship. Yeah. How old were you? I was 20. Did you feel a little.

Monica Padman
Not fraudulent, but. Oh, yes. Right. Absolutely. I was like, oh, my God, I've never had a boyfriend.

Camila Cabello
There was, like, literally eight songs that were, like, basically lonely. I am so lonely. Had you been having sex at all before 20? No, that was my first. My first time having sex.

First lovemaking was love making. Oh, God. It was literally love making. Wonderful. Yeah, no, it was beautiful.

Monica Padman
Yeah, that was a great look. Now, one thing I did think about, because he's a, quote, relationship expert, or at least had written a book on dating, and now I'm learning how to podcast about dating. At any point would you go like this? Feels like he knows too much about this, and it's calculated sometimes, but I. Think that also honestly made him a great partner.

Camila Cabello
He was a really great person. It was like the perfect first relationship really expanded my world because he wasn't in my industry, too. It was like, oh, my God. Have you ever seen Anthony Bourdain, parts unknown? And have you ever seen Studio Ghibli?

Films. He just really expanded my references because before that it was like six years just in the music industry and we traveled and we took trips. So I remember when Havana was really big. I was just like, but most importantly, I'm in love. You know, I'm just such a fucking.

Dax Shepard
So what a year of your life, 2018. Yeah. It was a great year. I really want this year to be similar for me. I really hope I meet someone that I really like because it's been a while.

Monica Padman
Has it? Like, probably. Yeah. Like a year. I always say I would relive 7th grade over and over again.

Camila Cabello
I love that. Would you relive 2018 over and over if you had to pick one year? No. What would be the year? Hectic.

I feel like I really. I won't say peaked at fifth grade because that's not. That's not the vibes that I want to give. Okay. But fifth grade, I feel like I was king of the world.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. I had my first tiny little boyfriend. He kissed you on the cheek and you ran away. You are the goat. He kissed me on my cheek.

You need to write a song. Kissed me on your cheek and I ran away. By the way, I actually did write a song about this called Butterfly Garden. Okay. And it was about being in fifth grade that didn't make the album.

There's no way you would know this, but do you know this band, Wolfpack? No. They have a song. It's the cutest song in the world. It's a great song.

And it's called back pocket. And the song is. Put it in my pocket put it in my pocket in my back pocket put it in my pocket in my pocket in my back pocket and it's all about getting a note slid in your back pocket on the playground. I love the specificity of that. That's some taylor swift shit.

That's some t swift shit right there. But, yeah, fifth grade. And also, I feel like that was my favorite era of music, too. Who was hot when you were in fifth grade? Crank that, soulja boy.

Camila Cabello
Low by t pain. Okay. Oh, man, that was. Gotta get low. Low, yeah.

Stronger, iconic. What an album. Okay. Is it too much dance? I mean, this would be my guess.

Dax Shepard
This gentleman was a little bit older and he had already worked through all this stuff. And he probably was wise enough to go like, this gal's still on a big, big ride that I don't know if I can link my cart to. I gotta let this one go free and flap her wings and do all her stuff. Yeah, I think we really had. And I'm really putting this through, like, a big filter, too.

Okay. Yeah, of course. Cause I wanna be so respectful of him, but I think he kind of knew, but we were so happy together that I think he was probably like, this will be strong enough to kind of outweigh what is normal 21 year old's curiosity and peeking over the fence and whatever. I would be very scared to be in love with you in 2018. Yeah, I think he was.

Camila Cabello
He had a lot of anxiety about it, reasonably so, having never met him. Didn'T read his book. No. Nothing about him. It sounds like maybe he was smart enough to go, like, I wish I met this person ten years ago.

We always. He always said that it's kind of. Cool also of him. Cause I think a lot of guys would have then tried to destroy you so that you couldn't have that future so that he could keep you. I think you see that pattern, especially with powerful, talented women who have a lot of attention and their own money.

Dax Shepard
I think the impulse is not to set you free, but to try to take all that from you so that he can have you forever. Yeah. So he can control you. And, like, when you're that young, love feels like the fucking best. It's the number one drug.

Camila Cabello
If somebody would have been like, drop everything and run away with me, I would have have been like, fuck, yeah, I'll do it. Right? That's what I'm saying. He could have been a dick. Yeah, 100%.

Whereas now I would be like, that's maladaptive, but I probably still do it, actually, to be honest. My therapist said this is maladaptive. Yeah. And I would still do it. I'd be like, okay, wins the fight.

Album promo is canceled. Do you feel like you give men a lot of power? I say this to Liz all the time. Even when I just said that joke, I would probably still do it. There's two parts of me that are always fighting each other.

I know that it wouldn't be healthy, but I would still want to do it because it feels so good. Well, I can tell you exactly what happened. You would do that, but you would do that for nine months. You'd wake up one morning and go, what in the fuck am I doing? I don't really think you're dominable in that way, but I do think you could convince yourself in a romantic fantasy.

Yeah, me too. But I think you would pull yourself out of it. I think it's so fun. Cause I still actually don't think there is anything more fun than when you're first with someone. There isn't.

There are things that are nourishing, more healthy. Healthy. And, like, a deeper joy. But as far as the candidates of it all, nothing. And back to energy sources.

Oh, yeah. Energy. It's crazy. Is impossible. It's cocaine.

It's cocaine. And an obsessive personality. You just cannot get enough of that feeling. Oh. And the planning of what thing you're doing next and living in that.

Dax Shepard
What's next thing. Oh, my God. And your energy after you text them. Everything is funny. Everything's gonna work out.

Camila Cabello
Yeah. Everything is, like, amazing. It's the best day ever. Do I give a lot of power to men? Can you specify a little bit more?

Monica Padman
I'm gonna. Cause I don't think she'll care because she loves you. I'm gonna bring her. I say this to. We talk about this, though.

Liz. Yes. Your and I friend. Mutual friend. Liz plank.

Camila Cabello
Your and I friend. That's how you say it. Our urine. I friend. That's a correct word.

Dax Shepard
Our urinary tribe. Our urinary friend. Our urinary tract uti friend. Liz. I always tell her that she gives men way too much power because she's incredible.

Monica Padman
She's so smart. She's beautiful. She's capable. Everything. She's everything.

Often, she'll dilute it or she defers to men in a lot of areas in life, not just in a relationship, but even her and I have talked about business stuff, and she's like, well, my mentor. And I was like, Liz, that person should not be your mentor, but just cause he's this, like, powerful man, you immediately elevate. Cause the world elevates him. It's not necessarily her. And also, I feel like mentor men do walk around with, like, a you need me vibe.

Yeah. But she's susceptible to that. And I wonder, are you? I definitely have that tendency. And then when I like somebody or have a crush on somebody, I'm always working on pulling myself back to reality.

Camila Cabello
This is so easy for me to spend the whole day daydreaming about them and giving them characteristics that they have not shown me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I have to remember, like, not the person that's in your head, and it's so much less fun. That's the thing. It's literally like.

It's like sobering yourself up. Like, it's like you are drunk off of this fantasy that you have. It's having a glass of water between drinks. Aw. Yeah.

Monica Padman
It sucks. We hate water. We literally are never thirsty. So, yeah, I always have to bring myself back to the reality, which is always less fun. I remember before, whenever I would perform, nobody would make me more nervous than my boyfriend.

Camila Cabello
I did feel like I would give men too much power at the time. Cause my therapist would be like, that person should be a source of comfort. That person should be a source of, like, I'm so happy they're here. I'm nervous about everybody else, but I would be the most ner. I would be like, doing fucking SNL.

And I would be like, is Shawn gonna see it? Yes. I almost think what your therapist is suggesting is unrealistic and an unachievable goal, which is actually, why would you give a fuck what anyone else thinks? You're not vested in that person liking you. I don't care what Joe schmo thinks of me.

Monica Padman
I care what. Yes, the person you're in love with thinks of you. I actually think that's kind of healthy. Like, you should care what your friends and family now, should we elevate it above friends and family? Maybe not.

Dax Shepard
I don't know. There's a zone probably healthy, but I actually think that's very natural and almost seems like a waste of time to fight that. It's true. But if you're anxious, it depends. If you're just like e, like, I hope they like it, or I want them to be impressed with it.

No, but when you said to me the other day you saw my last Kimmel appearance. Yeah. And you were like, oh, my God, buddy, you crushed it or whatever. Yes. And I was like, oh, that feels great.

I mean, certainly people said that on instagram to me, but, yes, I want Monica to think I'm funny when I go on tv 100% since I was hysterical. It's more like, if you were like, fuck, Monica's gonna watch. Exactly. Well, yes, that would be the pathological side. Exactly.

Camila Cabello
I go a little pathological, for sure. Right. Now, what's interesting, now that I've met you and I've interviewed Shawn, and I've also been at a couple places where Sean was and chatted with him, I think what would be interesting about you two is that you're both in a very wonderful and cute way. Oh, God, what are you about to say? You're about to say, no.

Dax Shepard
You wanna figure it out like, you're on it, right? There's therapy and there's some self actualization going. But I almost wonder, I think at least what works about Kristen and I is we're watching a doc right now about a murderer and his friends don't want to turn him in. And she's like, how could these people not turn him in? And I'm like, hun, loyalty.

If Aaron killed someone, I'm not saying shit, but just. We're opposites. And I think if both of us were like, yeah, let's help our friend bury a body. Not a great partnership. So I almost wonder if you two could be on this journey together, and at some point, just look at each other go, Jesus Christ, we're both 85.

Us has to be insane. No. 100%. And I think that even though I talk about the Buddhism and the therapy and the meditation, I do feel right now, especially, I'm in my era where I need to go out and have fun and have a good time. It's teenage time for me, for sure.

Camila Cabello
I want to, like, almost black out, but not. Do you want to hang later? Cause I drink a lot of wine. I am actually not that into wine. It just makes me sleepy, but I will.

Maripinis. Yes. Great. Okay, great. Perfect.

Dax Shepard
Espresso. Exactly. Espresso. Marzo martini with Camilo, with Camilla. Can we do a show with you that's called expressa with Camilla?

Well, changing the spelling of your name, of course. Yeah, sure. Camilla, my alter ego. I know you'll have two listeners, Lincoln and Delta. Yeah.

Camila Cabello
I definitely think that's why I gravitate towards people and guys who are maybe a little bit more on the dangerous side. Cause I don't want to take a. This is self serving, but can I recommend a reformed bad boy? That's maybe the sweet spot for you. Yeah, I agree.

Monica Padman
Everyone wants that, and they're not very many. There's a lot of bad boys with not a lot of reform. They're reformed, but they're not. Right. Right.

Slippery. You know, the pool is shallow nowadays, for sure. All right, so what we have coming is Cxoxo. Yeah, but that's mid June ish. You'll have to explain the strategy of all this stuff to me because you release signals leading up to it.

Dax Shepard
And I love it, of course. Already. And I listened to it twelve times this morning. Ooh, did you for fun or for. Well, I listened to it once for research, and then I was like, I'm gonna keep listening song.

Camila Cabello
Were you working out? I feel like it's a good workout song. And then I watched the video, and I love the video. Thank you. It's almost like a mini episode of Euphoria just in its own.

There was a lot of euphoria. Visual references for the album. I guess this is all just a ploy to relive my teenage years in the way that I want. And it feels very Miami too. Like, I don't know what your childhood is, but it's almost like a Miami version of you euphoria.

Right now, I'm deep in rehearsal times, so I actually can't drink and go out that much. But when I am in Miami, those are my favorite nights, when I get dressed up with my friends and we go dancing. I love Miami. People try to shit on it like it's cheesy. What do people.

Dax Shepard
Those people are allergic to a great fucking time, literally. Cause that's probably the only place I go where I actually can kind of touch what it felt like to be drunk sober. I can buy into the can, wear a speedo, get my yellow speedo, and then I love going out to these restaurants where it's like everyone's on a Runway, everyone's swinging for the fence. Everybody's trying to be on vacation, but it's their home. I love this quote that's, like, on the other side of cringe is everything you want.

Monica Padman
Ooh, I like that. Good, because, you know, my big trigger word is cringe. I hate when people use that word. It's such a snobby word. It is.

Dax Shepard
They're going like, I'm embarrassed for you. Fuck you. Why don't you go try do something for yourself? Yeah, why don't you hear them laugh, though? I feel like I made myself cringe.

I don't know when they write that. That's a comment people write on post. Like, my hair is the best, though. And it feels like it's not in the United States. States.

Camila Cabello
Because of the. Is this a word? Confluence. Confluence. I feel like that's not a word.

Monica Padman
No, it's word. Okay. I feel like it's like the merging of two things. Merging of the latin people and the people from the Caribbean. And there's so many different cultures.

Camila Cabello
It's such a melting pot. Most Uber drivers will only speak Spanish. It's vibe city. The energy there feels just way more chillaxed. Speaking of my family story, everybody there has the same story.

Everybody fucking moved when they were six years old and their parents are from, like, this south american place. And so it's a bunch of kind of misfits in that way. Junkyard dogs. Exactly. Yeah.

Dax Shepard
I love it. Me too. Yeah. So when I watch the video, I'm like, oh, sign me up. I want a whole month there in that weird house.

Drive the moped through. Let's fuck shit up. Cops should be called at some point. Some spring breakers vibes. Another great reference.

Spring breakers. That's a big visual harmony album, too. Yeah. Harmony. Corinne.

Camila Cabello
I feel like this album is all about, which I feel like, is why I love this show so much. And why I love you guys so much is I feel like you guys are not afraid to show the complexity, just the messiness of being human. You're like, I do this thing that's fucking and couldn't make me the bad guy. I am the bad guy. Sometimes I'm also not.

Dax Shepard
Sometimes, shockingly, I'm the good guy. Shockingly. Yeah. Can you believe it? Everyone's all of the things.

Camila Cabello
Yeah. I love it. Is that departure is too strong of a word. But there's an evolution here. Yep.

Dax Shepard
And so this is where you need to educate me. I just don't know this world. I know movies in tv. Oh, wait, how was Phineas? Cuz I saw you guys.

Camila Cabello
I haven't listened to his. It's a great episode. I will listen. He's phenomenal. Phenomenal.

I know. He's the another. He's 26. I'm sorry, what? I know.

He's one of those people that makes me feel like I'm fucking twelve years old when I talk to him. How are you so mature and have your shit sewed together after the interview? Had I no idea when he was born, I would go, well, he and I are definitely the same age. There's just no question. All his references.

How old do I feel? 36. No way. Yeah, I feel like my age. Wait, that's really cool.

Dax Shepard
No, Phineas feels 48. Would you want to work with him? Yes. I actually have worked with him before. Oh, you have?

Camila Cabello
We made one of my favorite songs together, maybe like, a couple albums ago. It was so fun. What was the process of working with him? Did you have to go to some unconventional space to make sure we didn't. Go to his house?

Dax Shepard
Okay. You weren't in his parents bedroom? I wasn't in his parents bedroom. I think it was one of the first times that I was seeing Shawn and we wrote a song about it. Wow.

Camila Cabello
Literally, it's one of my favorite songs. He's so good, though. But I would love to make more music with him. Do you feel like you got the experience? And again, this is all me watching the Billie Eilish dog.

Okay, I haven't seen that. Oh, you haven't? It's so beautiful. She's really young. I mean, what are we talking about?

Dax Shepard
She's still really young. I feel like musicians see things in, like, it was eight hairstyles ago. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's probably right. Yeah.

What he appears to be doing in that doc. Cause I want to be fair to her. She's a beast. I admire her. She's awesome.

But he had this most gentle, loving way of so beautiful, seeing her pull these things out of herself. He's almost. In addition to being a music producer, he's, like, an incredible therapist. So did you get that? I did.

Camila Cabello
And even in that album, where I feel like I still hadn't found complete confidence as a songwriter, like, the way I have for this last album, I think he was one of the first people to. I don't know. That was one of my favorite songs, lyrically, songwriting wise, of that album, do. You have producing partners that you're just like. We click every time.

It changes. It's kind of like sometimes you really get along with somebody, and then two years later, you're like, I don't feel anything. I think it's smart to mix. You have to, because it really is. The stars align, and I've had producers who I've made a whole album with, and then because it went so well, I tried to recreate it the next time.

Dax Shepard
That's the danger, I think. And then we just. The expectations are too high. Yeah. You have to really be open.

Camila Cabello
But what I was gonna say about Phineas is it is really beautiful how he has such a loyalty for Billy. Like, he's always defending her. Oh, he did it in the episode. Amazing. It made me want to hug him.

I love that. That's, like, one of my favorite qualities in. Well, he's being, like, very polite about his own fame. Right. I understand people are this.

Dax Shepard
But then when it would get to how they treat her, he's like, this fucking rude and bullshit. Yes. Get it, big brother. I have a question. Am I 36 to you guys?

Camila Cabello
Because my buddhist meditation therapy stuff, like, do I feel like. No, because your skin looks terrible. Right. Okay. That ain't it.

Dax Shepard
I was just visual. No, it's all the cigarettes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. Well, I guess, egocentrically.

I got sober at 29. In two more years, I would have been making this decision, like, we gotta get our shit together. Right? Right. So I put myself.

When I'm in at least group therapy, I'm, like, 36, seven. When I'm starting to understand, like, why I get mad. And then Buddhism was this January 1 resolution. Really? Yeah.

And I hardly understand it, but what little. I understand. I'm like, oh, my God, this is the greatest thing ever. When I was 27, I knew drinking was, but I didn't. Yeah, like, fuck it.

Yeah, it was still fun. Yeah, totally. Okay. But again, back to the evolution. Yes.

I'm curious. I guess I've dealt with this as a comedian a little bit, which is you define a point of view and you define a voice. Yes. But you want to evolve, but you don't want to alienate, and you don't want to lose what's great. So how do you navigate that when you're like, I want to grow, but I don't want to lose.

Is it scary or you don't even think about it? I don't think that much about losing the point of view that I have had, because I'm just really focused on whether this is great or not. And, you know, I love it. There are other songs on the album that feels more like what I've heard from her, like, a similar perspective. But I think it's always gonna feel like me because.

Camila Cabello
Because I've been the one that's writing, so it's always gonna have, like, a similar voice. I mean, I'm not the same person now that I was two or three years ago. So my references have changed. The things that I liked have changed. There's so many habits that I feel like I picked up three years ago, and now I'm like, ew, I can't believe I did that.

Dax Shepard
I wish I could remember the verbiage, but one of the reviews I read of I love it is like, this signals a something pop. Hyperpop. Yeah. What is hyperpop? Hyperpop is a genre.

Camila Cabello
There's different artists, like Charlie XCX or Sophie or hundred guests. Not my sister. Yeah, not my sister. Which I feel like it sounds just, like, very futuristic pops, like, high pitched voices or really intense, crazy sounding drums. Yes.

So I think this particular song is heavy. The tempo seems quicker as well. I would love to be in a club dancing to this song. Yes. In fact, I specifically.

Dax Shepard
And this is not a great thing to say, I specifically thought this fucking song would pair so well with MDMA. Oh, okay. Yeah. This song was built for MDMA. Music, to me, is like, some songs make me feel like that.

And you're in your adolescent phase, so it's like you want to be in a club, feeling that feeling. My favorite things that I have done, like Havana or whatever, is when I'm doing something that feels weird, that's my favorite. My ego thing or whatever, is not if it's successful or not successful, it's more. Is it basic, a middle of the road, or did I try something different? And if I tried something different, then I feel cool, and then I feel like I'm the shit no matter what.

Camila Cabello
Does that make sense? Yes. I love this. It's like anything, really, in any movie or whatever. You want to be on your toes.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. Okay, last question. This one's scary is how much do you worry about longevity or the future? One part of me is like, I would love to have Havana. Also so scary to have Havana.

It's like Tarantino directing pulp fiction as his second movie. That's a lot. And we deal with this a lot. It's an interesting thought of, could I just succeed mid level and be happy? You're like, there's David Sedaris, then there's fucking Camila.

Monica Padman
Fuck. No, no, no. Yeah, but, like, it's a blessing and a curse to have achieved something so huge. And I just wonder, do you obsess a lot about the future and longevity? I think about it, and then I think my way of preparing for it is diversifying the things that I like to do and the things that I'm knowledgeable about.

Camila Cabello
Like, okay, once I don't have a fucking pop star, 65 million instagram, I think it's smart to be like, this is temporary buddhism. Totally after me. There's gonna be. It already is. You know, you're the new kid on the block.

Everybody's excited. Then it's like your fourth album, and there's another person who's the new kid on the block, and it'll still keep happening. But I think being like, okay, well, maybe when I'm, I don't know, in my fifties or something, I could put together soundtracks for movies. I could do this. I could do that.

Dax Shepard
Well, that's the innate and inherent issue, is that to do what you've done requires almost 100% time and focus. You can't really be building out these other sectors of your life. That's not the nature of a tour in writing an album. So it's like, when would we dedicate the time to have a real pickleball passion? Because time doesn't allow for that.

Camila Cabello
But I think more and more now there's people that are multi hyphenates. Speaking of Charlie XCX, you see that she's working on a soundtrack for this 824 movie, and she's also making an album for me. It's like, that feels like a more interesting life because you can also be so in your bubble, I mean, it's like you were an actor. You were in movies and you're an actor. Yeah.

You're living a few different lives in one, which I feel like is so much more fun. Yeah, just for me. I get bored easy. Me too. I do.

Dax Shepard
This was a party. I had high expectations, but this quadrupled. Really? Yeah. This was so fun.

Camila Cabello
I want to hang out. You are welcome to hang out. Do you really mean that? Yes, I really mean that. Okay, well, I would love to have dinner.

We can have Liz. You guys can get fucked up. I'll drive everyone. So I'm the dad? Yeah.

Yeah, I would love. And then I'll cry when I get. Home to that Gwyneth quote. That one Gwyneth quote. Thank you so much for having me.

Dax Shepard
It was really, really, really fun. I love you. And expresso came. It was like in the stars. I loved it.

And you're always welcome back. Oh, my God. Yeah. Next time you're in town, let us know. Camila returns.

Yeah, the return of Camila. You could be like the David center, the Davidson. No, but I want to come also and just hang out because I would all be such great friends. Okay. Wonderful.

Camila Cabello
Okay. All right. Well, first of all, everyone listen to I love it right now and then watch the video. The video's a ten out of ten. And then fucking start counting down the days till mid June when the whole album C xo comes out.

All right. I adore you. I adore you. One more visit and I'm gonna be saying, I love you. Oh, my God.

Dax Shepard
That's how it feels. Yes. I adore you. I can't wait to come back. This was the best thing ever.

Camila Cabello
I've been excited about this for literally years.

Dax Shepard
Hi there. This is Hermione Permian. If you like that, you're gonna love the fact check, Miss Monica.

Okay, I'm done chewing. Okay, you ready? Yeah. I'm doing the finding your roots this Friday. Oh, that's so fun.

Monica Padman
Friend of the pod. Henry Lewis Gates. What does everyone call him? Everyone calls Skip Skippy. Yeah, I just want to know about the shepherd side of my family.

Dax Shepard
Like, I already. I've heard so much about the LeBeau side. My uncle already did, like, a big genealogy thing. I know all this lore. Some of the family members were killed by Native Americans in Michigan.

I don't know one thing about the Honchells and the shepherds. I thought you been doing a lot of research on them. Other than my immediate uncles, who I know all murdered everyone. But I don't know anything above them. I don't know anything about the shepherds.

Like Papa Bob. Yeah, that'll be fun. Yeah. Are you nervous? I'm mixed between, like, nervous that they're gonna want me to cry at some point.

I think that they expect you to cry. Don't feel awful to do that. I just. It seems common that someone cries. Like, he'll hit you with a piece of information.

That, like, that's what I'm nervous about. He's gonna be like, are you ready for this? And I'm gonna find out. I'm gonna be like, yeah. I mean, whatever.

Camila Cabello
Yeah. So it's almost like Christmas present opening. Sure. I have a little anxiety that my reactions aren't gonna be the right ones. I get that.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. Whatever your reaction. And then conversely, I'm. I am considering and open to the notion that I might start bawling for some weird reason. You might.

That's interesting to know. You're gonna go, do. You might just start crying in the middle of it. Yeah. It's different than if you're an actor and you go and, you know, you have some scene.

Monica Padman
For sure. I do think most of the time, if you anticipate it, you don't. Well, I don't anyway. If it's like, oh, this is gonna, like, be emotional. It normally isn't.

Dax Shepard
And that's why I could see it actually hitting me. Cause I have no expectation of being emotional, as I've told you and I told him. I'm hardly, like, I don't feel any connection to the things people did before me. Like, if learning my great great great grandfather was, like, a general in a war, I don't. I don't really care.

I'm like, that sounds like a storybook. Yeah, that's true. Well, you'll find out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mostly just want to know the gnarly stuff, as you know.

Monica Padman
Yeah. I don't know about all the crooks and the. Would you want to find out you had saints in your family or criminals? I'm kind of with you on. I don't care.

Dax Shepard
Right. If someone was a great leader of freedom in India, I mean, I guess. I'd be like, oh, that's cool that I'm linked somehow to that. Yeah. But I wouldn't feel guilty if I was linked to something bad.

No, not at all. I don't feel. This is more interesting, to be honest. It's interesting, yeah. And I have no one to call.

Well, I could call my uncle Randy on the shepherd side, but everyone's gone. So I would call my brother, but I know he doesn't give a fuck either. I know. I'm gonna call him. You're not gonna believe this, but Papa Bob's great great grandpa, and I'll have lost him already at that point.

Camila Cabello
Right, exactly. I'm my brother. My brother never calls me. Right. We text, we talk so infrequently on the phone.

Monica Padman
Yeah. And he called me. Must've been Friday night. Oh, we were watching the documentary about immaculate heart. There's a documentary called Rebel Heart?

Dax Shepard
Oh, it's about the nuns who broke away from the archdiocese. Cool. Yeah, they were pretty kick ass. Pretty good doc. And we're watching it, and then my phone rings as my brother.

And it's late. It's like 10:00 at night or 09:00 at night. So of course my first thought is, my mother has passed. Oh, my God. What else would you think?

He doesn't call me and it's night. Yeah. So I, like, I, like, leave the room. I'm like, hello? And he goes, is that pickleball post, like, is that real?

Or did you get paid to say you liked it? Do you really like, like it? Oh, my God. Totally reasonable question. Yeah.

And I go, oh, no, no. No one paid me. I did it and I love it. And he goes, oh, my God, this is great. I've been thinking about doing it.

I've been trying to talk Tammy into doing it, and now. And did Kristen like it? I'm like, yeah, she liked it. And he's like, okay, great, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna order all this shit.

And it was just all about pickleball late. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it wasn't two in the morning. It was just like, yes. He probably was scrolling at 09:00 p.m.

Perhaps laying in bed, and he got really excited. Twelve. No. Why twelve? Aren't they.

He's in Oregon. Oh, yeah. No time change. Oh, yeah. That makes more sense.

Yeah. Yeah. So it was fun. I hope he gets into it. And I'm converting my driveway today into a pickleball court.

So hopefully he can visit and he and I can pickleball each other to death. That's so fun. Did you say you've played yet? No, I've been wanting to. Oh, fuck.

Is it fun? I really want to learn. Oh, good. It takes 13 seconds to learn. Oh, good.

The only hard part is the scoring system is so bonkers. But you get used to it. Fun. What part of the driveway? So I'll move the bus back.

And then I need 45ft, 20ft wide. Okay. And I have it. So volleyball court in the grass and pickleball just turned into a sports complex. I really did.

Monica Padman
I have an update. Oh, okay. The place I went to maybe get Kybella and then I got all that skincare stuff. Yeah, that did not work for me. The skincare stuff?

Yes. And backfired. It did. Bats. Yeah.

Dax Shepard
When I missed that. Cause you didn't have a skin outbreak. Yes, I did, and I still am, but I mean, I'm wearing makeup, so it's less noticeable. I'd been on the new regimen for like a week. And bad, really bad results.

Camila Cabello
Bad results. Wow. So that whole excursion was not worth it. It was bad. But you know what?

Monica Padman
You live and you learn it. You try stuff. You try stuff. Some stuff works, some stuff doesn't. You keep trying.

Yeah, it's frustrating. Yeah, it's a frustrating process. I am going to another place. Oh. Tomorrow.

Dax Shepard
Oh my God. To just get another consultation. Okay. About maybe some chin filler. Okay.

Monica Padman
Or whatever. I just want to get there. Opinion. Sure, sure. But you're Cabela's done.

Dax Shepard
You're not. That's off the table. Not 100%, but I'm mostly done with it. The comments, which you wouldn't read, they were a very mixed bag for people who have done it. Really?

Yeah. So I'll just leave it at that. I don't wish to disparage anything I don't know much about, but very mixed bag. Now, some people loved it. Yeah.

But it was definitely not the kind of unanimity you would want for. You know, like you don't ever hear people go, I hated my botox. I have heard that. Oh, you have? Yes, but only because if it's too much, you can look so stiff.

Frozen. Yes. Frozen face syndrome. Yeah. Ff's so people don't like that.

Yeah, but that's what you're gonna get. That's the worst case. And that can't be unexpected. Like they're. That's how it works.

You can't move your fucking forehead. I know, but if they do small amounts and in the right places, it can be fine. You can still have some movement and some expression, just not so many wrinkles. Okay. But some people, it gets stuck.

Like Belle's palsy. Yeah. And one, I heard one story of someone, oh, maybe that was filler, but like, it made their eye all droopy. Oh, wow. Yeah.

And then they just had the filler removed. Yeah. It dissolved and it went back to normal? I think so. That's the thing with filler is it can be dissolved.

Monica Padman
So I might try it. I might not. I don't know. Yeah. They use, I think hyaluronic acid dissolves it in.

Oh, really? That's also what is used often in the filler. Oh, then maybe. Maybe I've got that wrong. Maybe it is hyaluronic acid.

Sometimes it's hyaluronic acid in the lips. Oh, it is a common. Yeah. Okay. Anywho, and there's another place I wanna go to also for a console.

I wanna just like, see, sample all these places. Yeah. Before I make any major. What's that? What's the other place offer?

Dax Shepard
Something not same. All the same style. Yeah, I guess there's no one has like a totally unique approach to this. There's like ten or twelve products, I. Guess, in like, Korea.

Monica Padman
They do all kinds of stuff. Sophisticated stuff. Well, yeah, I was listening to this one podcast and this guy went there. I don't know if he got it or if he was singing about getting like. It's called like, tiny face.

Dax Shepard
Oh, what happens with tiny face? They like, make your face. They shrink your face. Yeah, I don't know about that. Can you look it up?

Monica Padman
Tiny face surgery. Oh, surgery. It's like plastic surgery. This is all technically plastic surgery. No, Filler's not plastic surgery.

It's not, but it's cosmetic. Cosmetic? Well, what would you call it? I don't know. Cause Filler's non surgical.

Dax Shepard
Botox is non surgical. It's non surgical cosmetic surgery. Non surgical cosmetic surgery. All I'm seeing is stuff about someone nicknamed tiny getting plastic surgery on her face. Oh, did it turn out nice?

Elegant? It's fine. Hard to know. We don't know. Are you talking about Tiny Harris's plastic surgery?

Tamika, tiny Harris is all I'm getting results for. Yeah, me too. That's weird. Maybe it's not called that. Sounds so scientific.

Monica Padman
I know. I'm shocked. It's not called that. Yeah. It's so crazy.

It's not called that. Anywho, so we shall see what happens. TBD. TBD on my face. When is that appointment?

Dax Shepard
Tomorrow. Tomorrow afternoon. Okay. Speaking of faces, this is for Camila Cabello. She has a beautiful face.

She has a lovely face. And we actually talk about being photogenic. She said she didn't really feel photogenic. And then we talked about having different sides of our faces that we like. A side.

I do remember that. She has a side she likes. I have a side. You don't have a side. Right.

Monica Padman
I do think one side is preferred, but not so extreme. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't say specifically in the episode, but my nose was broken in a fight. And it is curved.

Yeah. Yeah. So one side does look much different than the other. I think my left side is better. I think.

Yeah. I think my right side is preferable. Well, there you go. There it is. There you have it.

Well, what was crazy? I'm kind of nervous to say it, but none of this is negative. Okay? None of this is negative. So we hugged.

We met. We hugged. And, you know, she's friends with Liz. This is before you got up here. And so we were chatting, and it wasn't a perfume, but, like, I smelled like her pheromones.

I had a smell. Oh, really? It was not negative, so that's why I want to be clear about that. Okay. And I was like, what?

I know that smell. And then some minutes into the interview, I pinpointed the smell. Okay. And it was from a friend of mine, had that exact same smell. Uh huh.

And I was like, oh, it's this. And then I looked at her face, and she has the exact same face as that friend. Interesting. Your friend. I know who you're talking about.

Dax Shepard
She's of italian descent. Yes. She's not Latina. Yes. But their features are the same.

Oh, wow. And I guess their expressions, the way their face moves was the same. And then they had the same smell, and it was wild. I, like, really was in my head about it for some minutes. Well, you know, I have this opinion that there's way fewer versions of humans than we want to acknowledge.

I meet people all the time that are almost carbon copies of us, other people. And then I was also even thinking of this. I was watching a woman, in fact, this morning after I dropped the kids off at school, I was watching her cross the street, and she had such a specific face and look on her face that I was like, I know what her personality is. I would bet my life on that. I know what her personality is.

And then I was thinking, like, what direction does it go? Is that you have a face. You present to the world with this face, people treat you a certain way. It informs your personality. I hate to say, but I feel pretty confident that I can predict people's personality pretty good.

When I look at their face, I generally know what's coming. Yeah. And then you see all these copies of other people all over the place. It's true. But sometimes it'll surprise you.

Yeah. Surprise you. And then that's fun. I find that to be so fun when someone's personality does not match my preconceived notion. But I agree with you.

Even take, like, Zach Braff and I, we're not terribly dissimilar, even our personalities. That's true. You know? Yeah. Interesting.

Monica Padman
I think you're right. I should have got out of the car and just said, hi, how's it going? Oh. What? I'm so sorry.

Dax Shepard
I just want to chat with you for 2 seconds to confirm that you have the personality I think you had from looking at your face. No, I just. I wouldn't describe a personality as negative or positive. I just knew what it was going. And what did you think of it?

Monica Padman
We don't know her, so it's fine. I'd have to look at her again to really remember all the ways. Curmudgeoning. She had this little dog, and the way she was walking across the street. I was like, she's not very friendly, and she's a little bit princessy, and she has a lot of products at home.

Dax Shepard
She has so many products in her shower and stuff. Oh, okay. And there's, like, some solitude. She's more of a solitary creature, and she likes to be in her apartment, like, doing all these products and stuff, and she has this dog, and I just, I could, you know, I could really see. What, how old?

Thirties. Oh, was it me? No, no, no, it wasn't you. I like products. I know what you mean, though.

Like, you meet a big guy, like, a big blonde guy with, like, big shoulders and kind of, like, a little jowly. You know, he's got, like, maybe, like, just jowly. Does that make sense? Kind of chin is kind. You know, I'm like, oh, that guy's gonna be so friendly.

I can just tell. And I know that guy is gonna be friendly. Oh, that's funny. I didn't. You didn't go there.

You're probably portraying a different jowl big guy than me. Yeah. With the kind of soft chin like the other Kelsey brother. I don't know. When he looks like enough, he looks like that.

Oh, he does. And is he frowning? Yeah, maybe that big, robust, manly chin. Like, I feel like I know what's coming. But then this is the opposite of what we talked about last fact check with the podcast I was listening to and the voice, and, like, my idea was so wrong.

Well, but actually, what's interesting is what we just talked about. Ding, ding, ding. Is if you change the general outline of your face with some chin and jawline, Filler. There will potentially be a little bit of a mismatch, and then I'll be curious to see if your personality catches up with. Yeah, this is a social experiment.

It is. I almost need you to do it now to see if we observe. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw someone like that not, not knowing it was him. Yeah.

Monica Padman
I have an idea of that person's personality, but it's not that they're friendly. He's also wearing a football jersey, so that's a little, you know, there's some, there's some built in, like, aggressiveness that you associate with the sport. I think if I see that person, I assume they played football at some point. You do? Yeah.

Dax Shepard
What if they're wearing a peach collared shirt? Southern played football. Oh, yeah, right, southern. That is interesting. They wear.

They definitely wear more colors in the south. I noticed that. Polos. Polo shirts. They love their polos and their khakis.

Yeah, they do colorful shirts. Yeah, they sure do. Culture is hilarious. You think everything's objective and it's just nothing. You think, yeah, right.

But I mean, you feel like it. You go like. Like, if I'm here in LA, I go like, oh, that's kind of goofy to wear a peach, and here it is. But it isn't innately goofy to wear a peach colored shirt. Yeah, I agree.

Monica Padman
But also, I think La's kind of one of the reasons I like it is I think you can wear whatever you want here. Like, it does. Everything matters. It does not matter. You can be so dressed next to someone, so casual, everyone looks normal and fine.

I like that about the city, and it's unique to this city. Well, what I like even more specifically, and I have said this on here a few times, there's not a dress code for wealth, so there's not like a built in status dress code. That's what I like the very most. Like, in Michigan, as you climb the socioeconomic ladder, you go to polos, you go to khakis, and the brands of the polos and the khakis change. Then you go to, like.

Dax Shepard
It's just. It's like, so prescriptive and it is a marker of your status. And I don't like dressing that way, so I like living in a city where you don't have to wear a certain outfit to. Well. Cause actually, I think here what's prized is having your own style, whatever that means, as long as it's you.

Right. And in some other places in the country, it's not that it's like, yes, everyone needs to look kind of the same. Then that shows, like a marker of where you are. Are. Yeah.

I was even thinking I was somewhere, and I was on my high horse about just the concept. Oh, it was in India. Did I already say this? What I was thinking about? We were in India, and I had walked behind the hotel, and it was just like this big trash heap all throughout the back of it.

And I was just sitting there looking out, and I was thinking about the fact that this is a palace that's very old. And I was thinking about the English being there. I was thinking about manners. And I was thinking, oh, my God. I think I understand for the first time why manners even exist.

I think for you to morally feel okay about going to a place and subjugating a group of people into doing, basically slavery, you have to tell yourself you are higher on the higher, that this is somehow natural and normal. And so you have to start really defining a bunch of arbitrary things that are outward displays, that you are, in fact, superior. Yeah, we eat more civilized. We eat with our backup and we have our hand on, and we use this and we. So I think all these customs, the customs go up and up and up and up as you climb this status ladder.

And I think they're like bizarre symbols to justify why they're different. They're more civilized. Yeah, for sure. It's like they're proving. It's innate.

Yeah. Just like it's obvious that they're. They're not civilized and we are. You can't just say that if you're all wearing the same clothes and eating the same way. And there's really nothing to even point to.

You gotta kind of make up all this stuff to make yourself feel like, yeah, yeah. These people are like a. They're happy to do this labor because that's what they would do anyway. They're like 200 years behind us. So this thing we're giving them, which sucks for us, is still an improvement for them because we're different.

And this is the proof of it. We have collared shirts with buttons and whatever all this stuff is. Yeah. I used to just think of it as like, oh, it evolved because people had discretionary income. They wanted to display their status.

And of course, that just evolved into more and more elaborate page. But I think there's something a little more deeper in that that it's like, it's also a justification for why you don't have to clean your house and someone else does. Especially in a place where it's not black, white. Yes. If you can't ascribe race to it.

In fact, I was listening to this professor talk about that slavery is not unique at all to the US and our history with it. The only thing that's unique about it is that it was race organized. Generally, it was. Was just a foreign group of people, or it was a different religion. They were allowed to be enslaved.

There are all these different ways that they're less human than you. And that really, race is a new one. Relatively new. Like, in Egypt, they had slaves. Yeah.

But they weren't different colored people. They were still indigenous to the. They didn't bring anyone over. They didn't bring anyone over. So they had to draw different arbitrary line of why this group deserved to be doing all the labor and this one didn't.

So it had to be like a religion or something. Yeah, that's. I mean, that's the caste system is. Yeah, I think it might even have been in the cast documentary. I don't know.

The Americans didn't need to do any other shit because they were just white. That was their, like, the explanation stopped there. We're white and we're more. Whatever evolved or whatever they were saying. Yeah.

They didn't need to have the level of detail in manners and pageantry, you know? Does that make sense? Yeah, but there's still manners here. Like, the more wealthy you get, the more manners are expected. Yes.

Monica Padman
And especially in certain parts of the country. Yeah, but do you think it's deeper in the south? I feel like manners are a bigger thing. They're big in the south. Yeah, they're really big in the south.

Dax Shepard
And the way you talk to people is really big, too. It's like ma'am and mister and all these different things. I think those. I have to feel like those are a bit vestigial of that whole period. Yeah, probably we have to display we're more civilized at all time, or we're gonna start having to acknowledge, no, we're all just people.

And this is nuts. I'm so, so on manners. Cause, oh, I hate them. Well, there are things I like about certain manners. Like, I think.

Hit me with some you like. I mean, I think politeness is good. That's civil. That's civility. Yeah, I believe in civility.

But what should be worn at a dinner table is crazy. It doesn't mean. What are we talking about? What side silverware is on. It's insane.

Monica Padman
I agree. I agree with all that. Your hand, what you cut, what hand you cut with, whether your napkin's on your lap or it's on the table. Now there's like. I get that.

Dax Shepard
Should you be burping really loud, right? No, but that's cause it actually causes someone to lose their appetite around you. Cause you're smelling food. How do you feel about chewing with your mouth open? Yeah, it doesn't bother me either.

And talking with your mother, I don't care. Now, if you have shit falling out of your mouth while you're talking, that's an issue. But, like, just the activity of the mouth moving like this while I'm talking. Yeah, they're like, the natives. Chew like that, we're gonna learn to chew their mouth.

It's like, so unnatural for us. No animal chews with its fucking mouth closed other than humans. It's real. That's really true. Yeah.

Look at these, these indigenous people. They're chewing our mouth open. We gotta force ourselves to keep our lips closed while we chew. So it'll be totally unnatural, but we'll do it. Yeah.

Monica Padman
Okay, I'm looking up common table manners. Okay. Chew with your mouth closed. Wait to eat. That is a manners thing.

And I agree with that. Or I abide by that anyway. Well, what's interesting about this, I understand. Again, it seems like civility, but there's nothing I hate worse than when I'm someplace my thing hasn't come and people are waiting to eat because of me. I'm like, eat.

Dax Shepard
And they're like, no, it's so. And I'm like, no, I'm telling you, this is way worse for me. This favor you're doing me. I feel terrible. No one's eating.

You all got your food. It's just me that got it. We shouldn't all suffer because I didn't get mine. So I do reject that rule. Well, I reject it, but I think it's fine to have the dance of waiting and then you saying, no, everyone eat, and then, okay, that's fine.

That's like opening a door for someone, right? I just think, like, it's acknowledging your food hasn't come yet, and we'll do this together. But again, I think it's getting confused about what the. The actual value of the activity is. The value is all sitting in a circle together.

Now, whether four of the people are chewing and three aren't, and they're waiting. I think people get distracted by what the value is. Like. Like, no, we all eat at the same time. Why?

The thing that's special is we've all gathered together and we're staring at each other in a circle. I think part of it, though, is that it's actually to prevent someone from being done very early so that the other person doesn't then feel, like, rushed to finish. But again, why would anyone feel rushed to finish? This would be another crazy thing. Well, I have.

Monica Padman
Cause I'm a pretty slow eater. Or I used to be a pretty slow eater. You feel people are clamoring to get up and leave the table. Well, if they're finished with their food and 90% of my food left, I do think, oh, I should get a move on. No.

Dax Shepard
Okay. There's a manner I'll sign on to is just like, you don't desert one person at the table while they finish. You know? You don't, like, bounce and go, I'm gonna watch tv. That's taking too long.

Now that. That, to me, is rude. Yeah, because you've left someone alone. Oh, that's interesting. See, my family didn't have that.

Monica Padman
It was like, well, normally we didn't even eat all at the same time. We didn't eat together. But if we did, everyone could bounce back on, like, a second. They're done. Kinda.

Yeah. Not now. That wouldn't happen now. Yeah. Because I think we care more about all talking, but when it was just like, let's just, like, eat our food and be done.

Go back to whatever we were doing individually. Yeah. Okay. So uncivilized. No wonder the Brits were there.

Exactly. Well, my dad does spill food out of his mouth all the time. Oh, God. I wouldn't mind at all, but I don't want him to belch really loud and stinkily. I don't either.

Dax Shepard
And farting at the table shouldn't be done. No, but you've done it. Yeah, of course. I paid for this place. Oh, God.

Monica Padman
Okay. Do not stretch across the table. I stand behind that. What's that mean? I think it means don't.

Dax Shepard
No, it means reach for something. Oh. Cause that's another thing I think gets a little crazy, like, waiting forever for someone to pass you something that you can reach. Oh, that's a big news. No, no, I think you only need to do that if you can't reach it.

No, I think, like, here's one. I would say that. No. So there's someone to your right, and you're gonna reach over their plate, but not over it. You're gonna reach in front of it and pass their plate.

I think in that case, that was rude. You were supposed to ask them, like, could you pass me the green beans? Yeah, but fucking grab it. Yeah. Watch yourself when you're doing it.

It's like you've just met your family or something. Everyone, I think this isn't for family. No, this is my stepdad, who was, like, hell bent on the fucking thing. Control freak. Yeah, that was pretty customary.

Monica Padman
Yeah, I guess you're right. I guess you're right. Everyone was supposed to sit there and eat with good manners. Because it's practice for when you're out in the world. Right?

But I do think that is the goal. It is practice for when you're not with your family. But again, it's insane. I mean, yeah, it's like people don't think. Like, as people know, I permit some swearing in the house, but they know they can't swear at school and they're not stupid.

Dax Shepard
I can explain to them you're allowed to do this here and not there. And they get it. So I could tell them, hey, when you're at your buddy's house, don't reach across with grandma to grab the mashed potatoes. It doesn't mean we have to practice that. Yeah.

Monica Padman
I also don't care about the reaching, proper placement of the napkin. Puke. Always drink from a glass. Yeah, right. Like, don't have a coke can or a bottle of soda.

Oh, I see. I don't care. Milk carton.

Dax Shepard
Yeah, that was a gallon of milk, a pitcher of Kool Aid, and one guy's drinking a gallon of milk. I mean, how sick. Drinking out of the coffee pot.

Anyone want coffee? Yeah, hand me that. And then they just drink out of the pot. No. Yeah.

Monica Padman
This says, avoid reaching. So I think do not stretch across the table means, like, don't lay on the table. It can't be a rule. No one has to be told not to lay on the table. I think some kids need to be told that.

Elbows. That's a big one. Why? I know, I know. I agree.

I don't care. Insanity. It's a posture thing. Probably. But why do people care what people's posture is?

Dax Shepard
Also, yes. I don't care if you're banana'd up at this. You're fucking. That's between you and your back and your chiropractor. Oh, my God.

Monica Padman
Never blow on your food. I've never heard that. I mean, you have to. Sometimes it's too hot. Heaven forbid someone blows on their food.

I know. Anyway, I agree that this is silly, but I do care about politeness. I'm not even sure I fully sign on to politeness. Really? Because if you go to Sweden, and you look at it through their eyes.

Dax Shepard
I agree with them as well. Like, it's insincere, it's pageantry, and it's not real. They like, I told you I met a kid that was a foreign exchange shooter in Georgia, and she was like, the amount of, like, hey, baby, how are you doing? What's your day? Have a great day.

Monica Padman
All this stuff, that's not politeness. Well, no, I think a lot of people would say that, being polite. I think maybe, I mean, that's like, southern hospitality. Friendly. But politeness is like.

Excuse me. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Please.

That feels nice. Absolutely. Yeah. Just respect. But, yeah.

Over friendliness. No, I'm not for that either. Or, like, fake friendliness. Yeah. Okay, so a couple facts for her rations in Cuba, the vast majority of cuban families rely for their food and taste on the libretta de Abbas de Samiento, which literally means supplies.

Booklet, distribution system, and stated on March 12, 1962. The system establishes the rations each person is allowed to buy through the system and the frequency of supplies. Cuba is a fascinating place to go to. Yeah. Yeah.

You went there. I went there. It's a beautiful place. The people are radical. The food is awesome, for sure.

Dax Shepard
But what is also obvious is the moment they went to communism, every single bit of maintenance stopped. It's just like they had money in the bank that capitalism built, and then they just drew from it. Every day for 70 years, every building's crumbled, and, like, there's just. The cars have not been updated. You just see?

Monica Padman
Yeah, yeah. It's so. Physical. Yes. And observable.

What was she shooting there again? House of lies. Oh, yeah. Okay. Adaptive coping versus maladaptive coping.

This came up a few times. Adaptive coping characterizes a person who deals with stressors through personal growth, optimism, solution focused actions, creativity and flexibility. Different coping approaches, problem solving, reaching out for support, changing our expectations to better fit the situation, regulating stress related emotions, taking actions to reduce stress, such as breathing techniques, changing the way we think about the stressor. Okay, now, maladaptive coping strategies may be more likely to be in the toolbox if there are overwhelming stressors or trauma, or if there was maltreatment, neglect during childhood, or exposure to emotional invalidation. These strategies provide temporary relief, but they don't address the problem.

Dax Shepard
Cigarettes, booze, drugs, sex, food, pretty much. Substance use, rumination, physical escape, mental escape through disassociation, numbing, excessive daydreaming, procrastination, self injury, binge eating, risk taking behavior, blame, self blame and self criticism, avoidance and safety behaviors. Behaviors that temporarily relieve anxiety but actually reinforce the perspective perception that the stressor is a threat. Maladaptive. Maladaptive.

Monica Padman
Okay. Havana, you said, has the most streams of a solo female artist and that. Made me want to look up Havana banana. Good song. Wanna look up the most streamed songs on Spotify.

Okay. Number one of all time. Mm hmm. Blinding lights by the weeknd is number one streams. I don't know if I know that song.

Dax Shepard
Blinding lights. You just added a stream. You've heard it.

I think. I thought this was like a british singer. Oh, yeah. He's not canadian, is he? That's Drake.

Monica Padman
Drake is canadian? Yeah. Have you been following Drake and Kendrick and Lamar in a big dust up? No. What's happening?

Dax Shepard
They're both writing songs about each other. Other. Oh, boy. It's quite. It's overtaken.

Monica Padman
It's a beef. Yeah. Okay. Number two is shape of you. Ed Sheeran, friend of the pot.

Dax Shepard
Aye aye. Three is someone you loved by Louis Capaldi. Vince Giraldi. Vincent Giraldi. Peanuts.

What's it called? Someone you loved. Someone you loved by Louis Capaldi. Oh, yeah.

Monica Padman
Oh, I love this song.

This song is number three most streamed songs of all time. I have a guess. Why.

Is it a remake? Well, that's a good question, but here's my theory on why it's third. Okay. Because if you love a dance song you, like, listen to it twice and you dance to it, then you move on to another dance song. When you're super sad and the song's hitting the right note, you hit it, repeat, and you listen to it like 350 times.

Totally. Yes. Agreed. Four is sunflower from Spider man into the universe. Is that coldplay?

No, it's Post Malone and Swaylee. Are you sure about that? No, no, I'm not. Then Starboy by the Weeknd and daft Punk. Weekend's big.

Dax Shepard
I don't know anything about the weekend. Really? Yeah. Is he the one who had the HBO show that was. Yep.

Yeah. Idol. Yeah. Six is as it was by Harry Styles. Seven, one dance, Drake, whiz kid and kyla.

Monica Padman
Eight. This now sounds like you're hosting the Billboard charts. You do a lot of different hosting gigs. I do. You were doing best cinematographer.

Dax Shepard
No, you were doing best score for the Academy Awards recently. Hans Zimmer. Yes, Hans Zimmer. But now you're doing billboard, like Grammys. Grammys.

This feels more billboard, let's be honest. I have to work on it to get to Grammy status. Eight is stay with Justin Bieber, nine, dance monkey tones. And I and ten believer. Imagine dragons.

Monica Padman
I'll just do ten. But I have 100 on here. I thought that was. I was surprised by that list. Yeah.

I don't know what I was expecting. Was there any women on Taylor? Was there any women? No, none. I don't see.

This is interesting because the first female solo artist I see on here is dua Lipa. Don't start. Now that makes sense. See Billie Eilish, 17, but with the IC 19. But that's with Khaled.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. With Khalid. So Dua Lipa is the first I see alone solo. And that's a 22. So I don't see Havana.

No, that was of that year. Oh, of that year? Yeah, I said that when I said it, it was of that year 2018. Okay. I didn't.

Monica Padman
It wasn't clear to me that that's what you meant. I thought of all time. Oh, no, no, no. It was of that year. Okay.

Oh, you said you have an eight year old and an eleven year old. I did, yeah. You have a nine year old and eleven year old and. Yeah, that's fine. It's weird when they're a year.

Yeah. Between December and April. Yeah. They were nine and ten. So weird.

Dax Shepard
And that feels weird. I don't know why I said eight. Well, whatever. You just made a mistake. I mean, you just made a mistake.

Do you remember what my dad used to do? He was always off by a year or two. He made you older though, right? Oh, he made me younger. Oh, really?

Which is why it was so funny. Cause I already looked way too big for my real age. And then he would hit him with the fact that he was like, can you believe he's only eleven? And I was like, 13? 511.

Monica Padman
Oh, my God. And I think people would be concerned that I had acromegaly or something. Yeah, sure, sure. This little guy's only eight. He's smoking a cigarette with a mustache.

Well, that's it for Camila. She was so fun. Yeah. She was genuine fan of the show, which makes it so fun for us. It really does.

It's so flattering. It is. It's kind of the dream I had. Cause when you go to Stern, Stern has this upper hand where it's like, anyone that goes there, they love the show, they want to do good on the show. I was excited.

Dax Shepard
That was my time on Stern. Yeah. And for a handful of the guests we've had, it's kind of that. And I love being on that side of it. Stern must really enjoy that.

Monica Padman
I hope so. He should. Yeah, he should. It's a big feather in his cap. Something happened on connections that I wanted to bring up.

It wasn't, I don't think it was a wing, but a side eye. There was something weird because. Did we say something about Spanish? No. I mean, that's a big umbrella.

When we were talking about connections in Waina and to tell us. No. Okay. There was spanish pronouns yesterday. Yeah, but I thought maybe before that we had mentioned when we were going through, like, be really obvious, say this.

Dax Shepard
Do our initials. We didn't say that, but that would have been a good one. Yeah. I mean, today, Mls. There was a cars.

I hated it. I was proud of myself. I got that one first. I hated it. Cause I've been, like, waiting for a car thing.

Monica Padman
I know. And then it was a dyslexia car thing. I know. She might have been winking. Oh, that was a side eye.

Dax Shepard
That was definitely. She. Mad dog one of these. Oh, yeah. Over it.

She's over it. Oh, gosh. All right, well, that's it. Love you. Love.

Monica Padman
Love.

Dax Shepard
Love.

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