Bobby Lee

Dax Shepard
Welcome, welcome. Welcome to armchair expert. I'm Dax shepherd. I'm joined by Monica Padman. That's us.

How you doing? Pretty good. My ear rewri. You're in it a lot. I've been watching you dig in it with your pinky.

Monica Padman
I know. I feel like there's bugs that went in there. God, this reminds me of my favorite thing. I think I've told you in the past, and weirdly, this guest is. This is the perfect time to say this, okay?

Dax Shepard
Cause Bobby Lee lets it all hang out. Yeah, he does. So Brie was in Guatemala, you know about this? And she had a crazy ear infection. And then she ultimately finally went to the doctor, and the doctor pulled out the most beautiful object I've ever seen in my life.

It was like, if you can imagine when they cut off a pretty huge hunk of hard cheese, like, out of a cheese wheel, it was like. It was big and it was cobalt blue. Yeah, it was impossibly blue. No, it was just. It was gorgeous.

If you look at our faces on that quilt, it was that color. It did not look like a color a human being could create. I think it was. Something got in there. Like, maybe that was a rock that.

Got in her ear or a pen. Right? It looks so unhuman, but it was undeniably beautiful. It looked like a crazy jewel had been. Did she keep it?

Yeah. So she came home with this plastic cylinder, and we would just lay in bed and stare at the thing and hold it up to the light. In fact, I have half a mind to ask her if she still has it. She did. What?

Treasure. That is a treasure. Oh, my God. A life's treasure. Okay, listen, I had so much fun in this fucking interview.

I mean, this really was so much fun. It was. I love Bobby Lee. He is so funny and honest. Really funny and wonderful.

And cheers to Robby Rob Wabi wab, who has been for a long time, saying, like, you gotta get Bobby. And he's so great. And we finally did. And I'm so glad. Bobby Lee was on Mad tv for years.

He was in Borderlands, the dictator, Pineapple Express. And he has two very, very popular, popular and successful podcast, both Tiger Belly and bad friends. And alas, he is here today to talk about his new movie, sweet dreams. So, guys, just really hop in a lawn chair and pour some sun tea. Cause this is a real party.

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Bobby Lee
Hey, if you guys don't mind, I'm going to do some tobacco for my gums because my gums get sick. Okay. Yeah. And they get really achy, so I need tobacco. I had the same ailment on my gums up until January 1.

Oh, really? Yeah. I'm 100 days off, but can I just say something? Your gums seem like it's missing. The stuff they look on.

Dax Shepard
You were offered all the things. I mean, this guy I've known for so long, I don't trust him. Can I do this? Like this? Oh, yeah.

Bobby Lee
I mean, I was supposed to say that. Oh. Crisscross apples. At crisscross applesauce. Is it bad indian style?

What does that mean? We're just sitting. Well, that's what's interesting. It begs the question, are they referring to Native Americans or people from India? It makes the most sense.

Dax Shepard
People from India. And then. I don't know why that's offensive. If they invented that style of sitting. I don't think they invented it.

Monica Padman
Exactly. I don't think they invented it. So it's, I guess, probably relating to how they sit for prayer. But you know how people do this. This is not China style, is it?

Dax Shepard
Yes. No, for sure. Oh, maybe. Well, look, this is known in social sciences. The reason Asians are so good at math is because of rice production.

Because there's so much math in rice production. Are you being real right now? I'm being dead real. Just like westerners brains evolved cause they learned to read from Martin Luther, spreading literacy, their brain physically changed. So there is lots of science behind the math in the rice production.

Cause there's so much math in it, you know? Can I just say something? Dax, before you podcasted, I thought, he's a good actor. He's a funny guy. And then you started this, and it was just like, oh, my God.

Bobby Lee
He's smart, too, and it drives me crazy. Why do you do all of it, anyway? I've always wanted to do this. I'm so glad I'm here. And, Monica, it was really good to meet you, and thank you for having me.

Monica Padman
You got it down. What? My name. Monica. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He practiced before you came up. Well, I go, who's that? And then I forgot it was Monica. And then I go, Monica, Monica in my mind. You know what I mean?

Bobby Lee
So, it's good to see you, Monica. It's good to see you, too. Well, also, it is a painting of her. It's not the most photo realistic painting. Now, if you were to confuse that painting, that's a bummer.

Dax Shepard
Cause that's baby Monica. I already know that's cause I asked Rob, who's that? Is that Dax's child? Yeah. And he goes, it's Monica.

Monica Padman
In some ways, yes. Is that not the cutest baby you've ever seen? Genetically great. Yeah. Yeah.

Bobby Lee
And I'm pretty sure the insides are good, too. The insides are doing okay, but. What a beautiful baby. I was a cute baby. You have a little brother, Steve.

Yeah. How much younger? He's three years younger, and I'm proud of him. He has 15 years sober, which is great. None of us have kids or anything.

Dax Shepard
No, I more meant family disease. Oh, really? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Everyone in my family is either sober or it went the other way. Now, let me ask you about this. A lot of people think that alcoholism is hereditary, and then some people think it's trauma and things of that nature that turn somebody alcoholic. What is your take on it? I have heard said, I think Brene Brown said this, that genetics is the gun and trauma's the bullet.

So I believe there's a genetic predisposition to it. But I also think that if you have trauma and you can no longer self regulate and you already have this gene, of course that's gonna happen. It's a combo. Genetics loads the gun, and trauma pulls the trigger. Oh, that's.

Bobby Lee
Wow. Much better. So what you're saying to me is I was born Bobby Lee, but I lived with the asian version of the huxtables. Aside from Bill Cosby. Yeah.

That'S trauma. That's right. Let me do another family. The Cleavers. The Cleavers.

Monica Padman
Thinking a lot of repression there.

Bobby Lee
The bunkers. Who are they? Archie Bunkers. Archie. Oh, boy.

Monica Padman
Well, he's abusive, verbally. Yeah. He's also racist. Right. That wouldn't be good.

Dax Shepard
But in a very charming way. Yeah. What's another tv family that I could do? I know one. Jean Lupicard's son.

Monica Padman
Wait, what? Jean Luc Picard from Star Trek Next Generation. Okay, right. If he had a son, he's a good guy. I was the captain's son.

Bobby Lee
I lived on the Enterprise. Oh, okay, right. I'm also mixed with, like, I see Worf, like a Klingon and Romulan, you know, cultured almost. Right. Well, hold on.

Monica Padman
You don't feel other. You're cultured, but you are also embroiled in war and adrenaline. Can we go with the Sievers? Do you remember that? Well, it's my life, but.

Bobby Lee
Okay. Do you remember the Sievers? No. Who's the Sievers? He has since become a very big christian.

Monica Padman
Yeah. No, no, no. I don't want. No, no, no, no. But that's.

Dax Shepard
I don't want. No, no, no. Oh, and my first agent was his mother. Yeah. Seavers was full house.

Monica Padman
Candace Cameron's brother. Right. Cameron. Kirk Cameron. Kirk Cameron.

Dax Shepard
Remember Kirk Cameron? Oh, yeah. What's that show called? Yes. Growing pains.

Growing pains. Growing pains. They were the Sievers. They were the sievers. I think that's the one we land on.

Cause they were liberal. But Kirk Cameron has a brother. Is Kirk Cameron my brother? No, he's not your brother. Well, not Kirk Cameron.

The character is your brother, but deep. Downstairs, there's some hardcore Christianity. No, no, that's not present in Mike Seaver. Oh. He doesn't come to Christianity until much later in the life.

Bobby Lee
Well, then why can't I just go back to the huxtables? Because then he's playing Doctor huxtable. He's not Bill Cosby. Well, fine. Let's go with the huxtables.

Dax Shepard
All roads lead back to the huxtable. Let's go back. So if I was a part of the Huxtables but I had the gene, I wouldn't have been an alcoholic. Is that what you're saying? Because I had such a great upbringing.

Well, look, I'm about to find out, right? Cause I have two little kids who have my genes. A break in the cycle that I can see. I'm about to do that show finding your roots. Maybe we'll find a shepherd that wasn't an alcoholic.

To my knowledge, there wasn't one. So we're about to find out. Really? Cause thus far, at least my kids haven't experienced the stuff I did. Wow.

Bobby Lee
Do you lay in bed worrying about it? I don't. You know, my dad was enormously cool about this. Cause my dad was sober. He got sober when I was 14.

In twelve steps? Yeah, in AA. Wow. And he watched me go through the whole ride and clearly knew what was going on. And he was so chill about it.

Dax Shepard
He's like, look, you know where to come. You've been to meetings with me when you're ready. I know you won't go till you're ready. So I'm just hanging, you know? My mother was terrified, but he had the most chill disposition about it.

Bobby Lee
He understands what you need to go through to get sober, and he probably feels bad because he knows that you're gonna go through a lot of spiritual pain and whatnot. But he knows that there's a home and there's a hope for you. Unlike my parents, were old school Koreans. They didn't really speak English. They don't know what alcoholism is.

Even though my dad was an alcoholic, my dad kept calling aa. Ah. Why you go, ah? I go to AA? I don't know.

You understand what I'm saying? Smack, smack, smack, smack, smack, smack, smack back. He was like a violent rageaholic. And then when I went to rehabs in high school, they wouldn't really go to the parental, like, the group therapies and stuff, because they just didn't understand. They felt uncomfortable culturally.

Dax Shepard
It's so white to do greek therapy. Group therapy? Yeah. Yeah. Well, therapy at all.

Monica Padman
Therapy at all is tough. But then I think groups, even, like, another. It's like x games. I did group therapy with my dad one time. It was called knees to knees.

Bobby Lee
So I was at the McDonald's center in La Jolla, and it's no longer there, but it's a rehab. The families come. They all form a gigantic circle in the auditorium. And then there's two chairs in the center of the circle, and a father and a son, or a mother and a daughter, whatever. They get in the center of the circle and they touch knees.

And then the son reveals something about their past that their parents don't know. Oh. So I told my dad that I was molested by a guy with down syndrome. I unfortunately heard you tell this story. When I was living in Minnesota.

Dax Shepard
No, this is real. I got this. It's gonna be hard for us. You should hear him trying to tell the story to two other comedians on their podcast. And they're prepared to hear him say he got molested.

They've braced themselves. And then he hits them with the down syndrome, and then he hits them with every day for a whole summer. And now they think, are you keep adding on. Yeah, every time we get stable. Oh, my.

Monica Padman
Okay. So anyway, I tell my dad that, and then there was, like, this pause in the room, and he went. He laughed. He laughed. And then my brother.

Bobby Lee
My brother and my mom start laughing. And then I start laughing, and then everyone starts laughing. It was so weird. It's weird, but is it nice? It was like you broke some tense.

It felt good to get it out. Cause that was in me. It probably would have been worse if everyone started crying. Like, wouldn't you have felt even more like, oh, God, yeah, maybe. I don't know.

But in retrospect, it was a funny experience, I guess. A memory story. And I think for people on the outside who haven't grown up in a lot of chaos, that sounds crazy, but I definitely think if you're under fire a lot, it's the only option. Every family I knew that was in the situations I was in or all my friends who were divorced parents and stepdads running through are boyfriends that were alcoholic. Everyone had a huge sense of humor about it.

Dax Shepard
I don't think you had an option. So we were talking about what causes it. So now I'm getting a better understanding about why I think I am who I am. Yes. Thank you so much for clearing.

Bobby Lee
I've thought about it for years, and I never thought maybe it could be both. Well, I think everyone wants more than anything just for efficiency and laziness, for everything to be one explanation. There's a chapter in this Malcolm Gladwell book about airplane crashes. Never one thing. An airplane almost never crashes.

Dax Shepard
Cause the wing broke or the engine went out. It's always four or five things go wrong and it hits critical mass, and then it crashes. I think we're the same. To try to, like, figure out the silver bullet of addiction, I think, is not realistic. Yeah.

How old were mom and dad when they came from Korea? And were they together when they were there already? No. So my dad came first, made it to LA, late sixties. And then my mom's brother in law knew my dad's brother.

Bobby Lee
They met through that. But my mom didn't like my dad cause he drank a lot and he was weird. Already? Yeah, already. I guess he was stalking or whatever.

So then she moved to Wisconsin. Oh, my goodness. And then he followed her there. Double down. He doubled down.

Yeah, yeah. Which in the sixties was romantic. Now it's scary. But he showed up with steak. I guess Koreans really like meat.

Dax Shepard
The barbecue. Yeah. Yeah. So he bought this nice piece of steak and brought it to her house, and I guess that won her over. It is romantic.

Bobby Lee
Yeah. Huge porterhouse that. It worked that quickly. So my mom, during the Korean War, she witnessed her sister, my aunt, get run over by a military truck. Oh, my God.

And, like, she had to go up to the house, grab rice bags with my grandmother and my grandfather, my uncles and aunts. And they had to pick my aunt up her body parts. Oh, it's okay. How old was she? It's fine.

Fine, fine. See, you would not have done well crying. Lived through it. We lived through it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

How old was she? She was like eight or nine years old. Older sister or younger sister? Younger. No, older.

Yeah. Then they buried my aunt. And then she comes to America and meets my dad, who was like, this alcoholic, rageaholic, violent guy. Just trauma on top of trauma on top of trauma. Old school immigrants.

They get layers of skin 100% to protect their heart. Pachyderms.

And so when my dad died, she was devastated, obviously. But you could also see weight lifted. Relief. Yeah. Uh huh.

It was weird. Like, she could breathe. She's been attached to a time bomb that went off all the time and just anticipating their next explosion. How fucking stressful. If I hear a loud noise, I instantly go into trauma.

He's one of those explosive guys. You should be eating with the family. And then he would just overturn the table. I always wanted to do that. Like, sometimes I wish I was a worse person.

Dax Shepard
Cause I've seen it in movies and I have one to do it. Me too. I've. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right.

It seems like the ultimate. Or the tablecloth thing. Oh, that's more of a magic. Yeah. Yeah.

Bobby Lee
Still, those are two things involving table I've always wanted to do. Yeah, yeah. We could do the ladder, no problem. Because that's not as traumatic as the table clock is. Like, that's cool.

Dax Shepard
No, everyone's like, whoa. Yeah, yeah. The other one is like, I need. Alcohol or something to regulate myself. Now if I'm at a coffee shop or whatever.

Bobby Lee
And I hear anything, I instantly go into that flight mode. I mean, I'm more of a freezer. In fact, it seeped into auditions. Can I ask just really quickly, when dad would get. Would you try to basically just disappear?

Dax Shepard
Like, to be invisible so that you didn't catch the wrath? You were always gonna get the wrath. There was no running, so I think I resorted more to freeze. So I would just freeze and take it. You know, I tried to run away from home a couple of times, but I always came back.

Would you try to cheer mom up in these moments? Is this the birth of comedy? I'm not even. I know. It's such a cheesy question.

Bobby Lee
Over time, it built resentment toward her for not really protecting us. So there was a time where I was mad at her as well. And she would also not close fist punch you, but she would be very physical with you, too. Culturally, I only have one other friend I've talked about this with. Her parents are from Korea.

Dax Shepard
She was actually born in Korea, but she's like, no, no, I got my ass kicked. That's what they do. That's what they do. Do you think maybe culturally, it wasn't even unique to your dad? Yeah, maybe bow, that's cultural, too.

Monica Padman
Maybe pick that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do something other than that. Right, right. But, yeah, it was cultural.

Bobby Lee
And also didn't speak a lot of English. Did they feel estranged from you at all, or. Obviously, you speak Korean. No, you don't? I know, like, six words.

Dax Shepard
Oh, my God. I can understand it. Like, if I watch squid games, I don't need the subtitles. Maybe. I don't know, but I still do.

Do you watch physical 100? Are you a physical 100? My favorite show. Am I physical 100? No, this is show.

It's a korean reality show that I'm obsessed with who has the best physique. Is it good? It's incredible. They're all Koreans. They're all Korean.

Well, there's a couple of whiteies in there. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. I'm so curious how these whiteies found themselves in Korea on this reality show about bodies.

I'm very interested in those. Is that on Netflix? It's on episode. I'm gonna watch it. There's two seasons, and it's phenomenal.

Bobby Lee
Okay. Physical. But I have a great suspicion that the dubbing isn't at all what they're saying, and I really need someone to solve that for me. Okay. Okay.

I'll be the guy. You'll take that on, and me and. That person will do it. Also, there's certain words in Korean that you can't even translate into English. Right.

Dax Shepard
There's no comp. There's one word. Cause me, my friend Gene and dumbfounded were at korean restaurant the other day, and there's a word called nunchi. Nunchi. Say it with me.

Monica Padman
I'm afraid so. Sorry, noon chi. I want you so bad. Cause I can tell it feels good. And when I'm by myself tonight in my shower, I'm gonna do it.

Dax Shepard
Do it alone. Yes, I'm gonna do it alone. Yeah. Like that. Yeah.

Bobby Lee
Yeah. Just groan it out for us. Yeah. Cause you wanna get the spirit of it before you even get. Dude, you know about words, huh?

You're the best. Hit me one more time. I feel like you're about to draw a sword on me. But it's not a bad word. It's a great word.

Dax Shepard
Oh, great. Yeah. What's it? Kind of even better. So, nunchi is instinct, but it's far more than that.

Bobby Lee
It's about etiquette. It's about reading. Like reading the room. Yeah. Reading the room is a part of it.

Dax Shepard
Knowing your place, maybe. Let's say I'm going to a red carpet event, which I do often. Of course. I constantly see what those. And I'm bringing a date who's not in the business.

Right, right. Of course. Try to wow them. Yeah, try to wow them. It really works.

Monica Padman
I know. Red carpets really do it. They're very bright. Yeah, they get your attention. Yeah, yeah.

Bobby Lee
And then I'm maybe taking a photo with somebody that people know. But then if my date goes, can I get a selfie with you? She doesn't know nunchi. She doesn't know nunchi. Oh, I see.

Dax Shepard
You go. No. Noon. Cheek. But I don't say it.

I'll let you say it. Social awareness. That's exactly what it is. Oh, social awareness is a part of it as well. Right?

Bobby Lee
So nunchi is a word in Korean. So maybe when you're watching your reality show, some of the words aren't translated. Well, that's true. They're like. There's not even a direct translation.

Monica Padman
The irony is, if we had said that right now on the podcast, we wouldn't have it. Oh, correct. It would have been a display that we don't have it. We wouldn't be socially aware if we were saying it. I don't understand.

Bobby Lee
Please, Monica. We're not allowed to say the word. Well, you can say the word. I'm afraid to do what I'm gonna. Do in the shower tonight.

Dax Shepard
One more time. Cause I wanna get it right tonight. Nunchi. Fuck. That sounds really nice.

Bobby Lee
Yeah. Yeah. Why don't people have nunchi? Well, do you think all Koreans have nunchi? Obviously the word exists because people don't have nunchi.

Dax Shepard
And that's what I gotta point it out. The bigger question is, why is that so important there, that it requires its own word? And I would argue that in a more collectivist mentality, tall poppy's a bigger thing. Or individuality, or these things that you would stick out from the group might be a little higher stakes. That makes sense.

Whereas here, no nunchi's almost rewarded hourly. Oh, it is? Don't you see? The person does go get a photo with someone they shouldn't, then they pause, and then they get a bunch of attention, and no one's going, like, why? You know?

Bobby Lee
Yeah. I'm gonna tell you the worst nunchi. No nunchi story you've ever heard. Children's book. No nunchi, actually, no doubt, but no nunchi.

We're from Orange county. We are no nunchi. So you have to be the singer. Monica. Oh, my gosh.

Dax Shepard
That's her worst assignment. No nunchi. So when I was on Mad TV many, many years ago, right, this is probably 2001, 2002. Obviously, you've been to the up fronts. Yep.

Bobby Lee
So if you get on a show, right, and it gets picked up, they fly all the networks in one week. Every night is a different network. So Tuesday night's Fox night or whatever, right. And so they fly you out. Nice hotel.

Dax Shepard
Sidebar go ahead. Funnest flights in the world. Cause you're there with all these actors, you recognize the best. In fact, if you're really obsessed with celebrity, that would be the move, is just book yourself on a flight in New York, LA, around that time. You're gonna see like seven or eight.

Bobby Lee
And you also feel like, oh, am I cool a part of this? Yes, yes, yes, yes. One of my favorite moments. Sorry, another time bar about to fly to the up front. I'm in the first class lounge at LA, and will or not happens to have a show on NBC.

Dax Shepard
I have a show on NBC. And then Jason Ritter has a show on NBC. The three of us go into the bathroom. We're peeing at three urinals. Some poor guy in a stall is.

Monica Padman
Pooping, I guess, pooping his ass. He farts so loud in the middle of this. And Arnett goes, get some. Like, he threw.

Bobby Lee
It's so funny. He threw a get some out on. The three of us. Just started laughing so fucking hard. But you're never at the first clouds lanes with like ten comedians are on the toilet with you.

Yeah. Wow, wow, wow. Okay, so up front. Yes. They fire you up.

I met this girl in an AA meeting, right, right. And she was super hot. Open mic or comedian. And I thought she was very attractive. This is like a month before up front kind of made it seem like maybe there's something.

Like an idiot. I'm like, hey, do you want to go to the out front school? Oh my God, Bobby, no. Like, okay. Terrible.

Dax Shepard
This is the worst idea ever in my life. Oh, she's a comedian. She wanted to go. Precisely the worst move I ever made in my life. Talk about no nunchi.

Bobby Lee
No nunchi, dude. Right. So now we're at the gala. You're bringing her two events, not just at the hotel. Yes, at the Fox dinner gala.

There's one table fooled with people from that seventies show, the other tables from American Idol. Yeah, yeah. And so I'm sitting there and I forgot who Mike. Me. Mike McDonald goes, look, your date right now.

Dax Shepard
Oh boy. By the way, Michael McDonald's is the best person. He's one of the funniest people on planet Earth. And I look and this girl. Oh no.

Bobby Lee
Is giving her business card. Oh no. To the president of Fox, Gail Berman. At the time, she was a Goliath in the life. She was.

Dax Shepard
Yes. Right. And I basically saying, I'm a comedian and I've been doing all these shows. You should check me out. She's shooting her shot.

Bobby Lee
I sprint. Oh, like if I could turn into the yellow hulk, I would. I was rage. I grab her. Not violently.

In a very like polite man, gentle grab. Hey, they needed to talk to you about something over here. You just get a phone call? Yeah, yeah, something like that. I go, can I talk to you for a second?

This is how big Gail Berman was. It's not as if I've ever met her. Well, right. I'm imagining you are there. The seventies show's there.

Dax Shepard
Those are huge stars. You're on year two of mad tv or year one. You almost feel like you don't even belong. And now your date is cold. Calling the president.

Bobby Lee
I went from open mic. Yes, to a tv show. That was your first homelessness to getting an apartment. You just took your 1st 1st class flight. Probably, yes.

It was dreamy. The first hotel. You can't park your car in front of the door. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of firsthand.

And I gently touch her arm. May I speak to you for a second. And I went into, like, what the fuck are you doing? And she's like, well, I'm a Canadian. I'm just networking.

And then I had to spend, like, another two days with her. She slept on the couch or something. Sure, yeah, yeah. Or in the hall. And there was nothing sexual or anything like that.

Dax Shepard
This is my point about America, though, because America is riddled with this lore of people doing exactly what she did. You hear all these stories. I slipped so and so my tape, while they were eating dinner, enough of those things worked out that that has fueled a lot of people doing no nunchi all over the place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're real.

Bobby Lee
I just think that instinctually, though, I mean, how is that not ingrained into one's body? For instance, when I was coming up with open mics, I was in San Diego, and I was a doorman, and every weekend, we would get big headliners to play the weekend. I mean, at the time, they were big guys like Carlos Mancia and Paulie Shoren. These types of guys. This is who you end up opening for, right?

We opened for them over the weekends. They came up to me and go, hey, you're funny. And then once they start a conversation, then I can talk, but in no way would I go up to them out of nowhere and go, hey, I'm Bobby. You know, that's not the audacity. I'm on the path.

That was ingrained in me not to do that, and I just don't understand why people don't have that. So I'm the same as you. This show has complicated that because obviously, I need guests at times. And I'm, like, even calling someone who I think would even want to be on the show, I'm like, oh, God, here we go. It's painful to do that.

You need somebody else to do it. Well, we have certain people, but then they can't get to it. I do it person. But if it's someone that Dax knows personally, he needs to do it. Yes.

Dax Shepard
And it's very, very hard for me. I burn up inside when I'm doing it. I stopped doing it. There's no. There's no reward worth.

Bobby Lee
Not only that, I feel like I'm stalking my friends. It's the worst feeling. So I just decided to get other people to do it. Aren't there exceptions? Like, what about Brad Pitt?

Monica Padman
If you were best friends with him? No. Brad Pitt. If I had Brad Pitt's phone number, all I would do at night is just stare at it all day. I know, right?

Dax Shepard
I do reread some of our exchanges. Oh. I mean, you're so blessed. What are they? I'm nothing.

They're all about motorsports. Oh, really? He's my number. I tell this too often on here, but I know you'll really get a kick out of it. My friend Kareem and I, years ago, we were talking about how much we love Brad Pitt, and I said, this is the level at which I love him.

If he and I were, like, going up to Santa Barbara for the weekend together, and halfway there, he's like, shit, I think we got a flat tire. And then pulled over and said, will you check on the tire? And if I got out and looked at the tire and it was fine, and then he drove away and left me on the side of the road, I would go, what a free spirit.

Like, there's no amount of abuse that I wouldn't somehow take. Yeah. That's so fucking funny. I mean, I know people that know him, and he loves comedy, I heard. Yes.

Bobby Lee
And he's also, look, he, like, goes. And does Dave's show. He did jackass back in the day. Mark Marin's podcast. He's a supporter.

Just a great guy. But don't ever mention his name again. I just get really kind of juicy. I understand a sexual way. It can be sexual, inevitably, because people.

Dax Shepard
Know I'm so obsessed with him, they'll go like, well, what would you do with him physically? Yeah. What? How far would you go? Yeah, how far would I go?

And I think I really would kiss him. Would you kiss him?

Bobby Lee
In what way? Would you make out with him? Oh, my God. Tongues. Tongues, yeah, if he's interesting.

I'm trying to give you the best. You're gonna give me your honest answer. Complete honest. Yes. Now I'm me or my.

Dax Shepard
No, you're. You're you. I'm Bobby Lee. Where I'm at now in my life. You guys are hanging.

He goes, I would fucking love to kiss you, Bobby. Like, we're private. We're not out. No. Right.

You're not at a restaurant. We're in my car. No, no. Intimate. Oh, you are in public, but no one's looking.

Bobby Lee
We're at the out front. You're at a hike. You're on a hike, and there's nobody around. Okay. Early morning, there's a gigantic tree.

Dax Shepard
You get to the very peak up here in Griffith. I'm not gonna get the high. Oh, yeah. I don't exercise because then you're out. Of breath of kiss, and you think you do a bad job.

Bobby Lee
Yeah. I'll be exhausted. It's the beginning of the hike. No one's sweaty yet. I would have to ask questions.

Dax Shepard
Okay, go ahead. I'm Brad. All right. Will you say, hey, Brad?

Brad would then go, I wanted to kiss you, but then you said, hey, Brad, and now I know I don't want to kiss you now. So we're just hanging. I'm Brad. I need some questions before we. Situation parameters.

Bobby Lee
Have I hung out with him before? Yes, we're friends now. Start referring to me as, oh, no. Now that's. Yeah, we're friends.

Dax Shepard
We hang out kind of a lot. Dude, what you texted me last night was so funny. Oh, my God. Thanks. I stole that from someone.

Bobby Lee
Oh, you did? Yeah. Yeah. The last time we hiked, I was thinking I would not mind kissing Bobby. I just wouldn't mind at all.

Dax Shepard
I think I want to kiss you. Yeah. I mean, I'd probably kiss you, too, hypothetically. You know, I would. You know?

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Why are you laughing? You just can't pass up. Like, do you know how many women would cut off a finger to experience kissing him?

Bobby Lee
I would do it. I would do it. You have to do it. I guess my answer for it has always been everything up till shirts off, standing, kissing. Okay.

You and Brad, you guys are on a cruise. Oh, wow. The cruise goes down. Oh, fuck. Right?

You guys are the lone survivors. You're on an island. You know, Brad seems like he knows everything, so he knows how to filter water. Made us a shelter. Right, right.

There's a shelter. And now years go by, you guys have beards. Oh, so he looks just like legends of the fall when he goes on a weird boat trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're smoking opium at the bottom of the boat.

You look like Tom Hanks from cast away. Oh.

Dax Shepard
I wouldn't let him kiss me if I look like that. No, I mean, he deserves better. You don't like, you know, too much shellfish? Can I look like Hemsworth or something? No, no, no.

Bobby Lee
You're that rough. You're on the island. You're on the island. You can't work out. Okay, now, would you go beyond kissing?

Dax Shepard
I'm gonna give you a sincere answer. I don't think we can know what it's like. I'm sincere. Are you being real? I'm being real.

Bobby Lee
You're right. I don't know. I don't know what it's like to have spent an entire year on an island, come to accept that I'm never getting off this island, I'm with this person. And if I want to have any sexuality while I'm still on planet Earth before I die, it's gonna have to be with this person. I don't know what that whole context does.

Dax Shepard
Right. You're so right. I don't know. People need intimacy. I think you would.

Monica Padman
And maybe it wouldn't be super villain, but you guys would cuddle because on. Islands, it gets really cold at nights. Exactly. Well, cuddling I'd be fine with. Right out of the gate, my best friend Aaron and I will cuddle.

Bobby Lee
Yeah. But if you started getting aroused, day two. Right, right. Would you question yourself? Like, why am I getting aroused?

Monica Padman
I think about early. Well, I feel very confident in saying I want to get aroused. Cuddling him right away to. Okay, okay. But a year in to this experience, cuddling, I don't know.

Bobby Lee
You? Me either. So I don't even really want to. That's a DVD. Yeah.

Tom Hardy, six months. Oh, Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy for me, six months. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dax Shepard
Is he above Brad Pitt? Yeah. Clint Eastwood? Never. No.

No. Okay. And he says 90 something. I would want to take care of him and, like, nurture him as he gets. You'd feel like you were taking advantage a little bit.

Bobby Lee
A little bit, yeah. Like, what do they call that? Elder abuse. Yeah, elder abuse. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dax Shepard
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Monica Padman
I have therapy on Saturday. I'm really looking forward to it. I had therapy this morning. Yeah, you did. Yeah.

Dax Shepard
And it put me in the greatest mood. We had a long, big day, and I just felt much better for having. You not to out you. You were a little grumpy going in. I was.

I was. I was. Debes. Robin, I received some texts this morning. Yeah, I was locked out of my therapy setting, which is this attic.

Monica Padman
But then you felt much better after. I felt much better, and I even made some apologies. Talking things out can be so helpful. And if you want to save space for that conversation, I recommend therapy. Check out betterhelp.

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Bobby Lee
Let's get off the island. But listen, that gal, that's worth exploring. What gal? You're talking about. The gal that you took.

No, nuinity girl. Years later, you stopped singing around. I heard she got married, had kids. Oh, good. She got out of the game.

Dax Shepard
Have you had that sense that girls want to be with you? Cause they want to be close to comedy, and they want to be in the world of it? I feel like she would have confirmed my worst fear if I were you in the way she behaved immediately when she had the opportunity. What would have been going on is not only my fear of now I'm gonna get kicked out of this party I just got invited to. And I mean that metaphorically.

Bobby Lee
Yeah. Additionally, fuck. Some voice in my head was like, this girl doesn't really like me. She just wants to be kind of closer to the flame. Was any of that happening at the time?

It was new because before I got onto MADtv. I wasn't an incel, but it wasn't like I had a lot of options. You weren't dating a ton? Yeah, maybe once a year I would get lucky and make out with somebody. Cause you partied a lot.

Dax Shepard
And that helps. I was sober then. I got sober at 17 to the age of 31st of all. Let's take 1 second to say that that is nearly impossible. So impressive.

When I meet these guys who have, like, 35 years, they got sober when they're 17. I'm, like, in complete awe of them. My sponsors like that. My sponsor got sober Young. Yeah, my old sponsor, same way.

And it's so fucking impressive. How does the attic voice in your head not go? Like, I was a kid. I don't really know about me. I know it was like to be a pubescent, crazy person living in a crazy household.

Bobby Lee
There's so much. We'll talk about. Yeah, let's go back to the girl thing, and then I want to talk about that. Monica, do you have that in your head? We got it.

Dax Shepard
Don't rely on Rob. We got it all. So your point about you were saying right now, do you think girls. Well, at that time, did you have that fear? I'm single now, and I have been dating.

Bobby Lee
I mean, I have to check off so many things before sexuality kind of occurs. Yeah. And you gotta, like, somehow determine, do. They want a story? Yeah, do they want a story?

Well, there are certain things you do. For instance, if I make out with somebody, I make sure after I leave them to text them I had a really good time, they have to go, oh, me too. Was so great to me. What a great. Thanks for dinner.

This and that. Like, I need that exchange to feel peaceful. Because they can't lie. Right, right. That now you have to do that.

Dax Shepard
But back to the girl when that was happening. Did you already have that fear, or were you like, I don't really care why she's here. I'm just happy to be with somebody here. At that time, there was no cancel culture. Those paranoias weren't there.

Just the self worth stuff. Am I being used? But Dax, Brad Pitt is being used for his good looks. Great. Cause I do think that's another way to look at it, which is like, people go, do you think she likes you?

Cause of this or that? And I'm like, I don't really care why someone likes me. I just want someone to like me. Kalila and my ex, we lived together for ten years. They're like, she's too hot.

Bobby Lee
She's probably using him. But is that really because Kalila, when I'm sick, she makes me soup and takes care of me when I have food poisoning. I had food poisoning in my car. I shit all over my prius. She cleaned it.

Dax Shepard
Oh, my God. You know what I mean? That's love. She still had sex with me, right? So that's not it.

Bobby Lee
There's a love there, and there's a care. Or even I was watching you guys do this weird thing where you could either answer a gnarly question or take a shot of ginger. And she was asked to rate your body out of ten. And the sincerity with which she's like, Bobby, you are a ten to me. You've always been a ten to me.

Dax Shepard
You're still a ten to me even though we're broken up. I love your belly so much. She, like, loves Bobby's belly. And I'm like, I 100% believe her. I would not have thought that about her just based on what I saw.

Bobby Lee
All the girls that go out with me have that to a degree. I've been on dates with a beautiful woman, and then she'll say, even in the seventies, my dad used to take me to these kung fu film festivals. And you're like, yeah. Just watching them move. I just really like them.

In love with Asians. Oh. Like, there's a little kind of a. Fetishy kind of a thing. Oh, sure, sure.

I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. I don't like it. Why? As soon as they say, I just really like indian girls, I want you to leave. Then it's not about me anymore.

Dax Shepard
Yeah, but why isn't it just. That's what they find physically attractive. I know. Skin color and the features. I don't understand why that can't be your type.

Monica Padman
I know. I understand. I think maybe it's my issue. I like taller women. I don't know why, but they're like, 5859 510.

Bobby Lee
I love it. You can't get enough. When I date women my height, it never lasts. I think when I was a kid, my parents were both five foot. Yes.

Dax Shepard
Okay. Whereas I was looking at them, and as a kid, I'm like, oh, no, I gotta go taller for the family. Oh, right. For your future, Projun. For the lead generation.

Bobby Lee
Let's get taller here. This country, the land of opportunity. If a guy goes, yeah, I'm just really into indian chicks. You don't like it? No, they can think it, but I don't need them to say it, because it immediately becomes you're just here because of your fetish.

Monica Padman
But it has nothing to do with me or my personality or anything that. Could be the initial attraction. Right. But for somebody to hang out with you, they're gonna have to like all the other things. Yeah, your personality, income.

Bobby Lee
I mean, just different social standings. Oh, they should like those things about me. They're all pretty good. But without making it feel like I'm attacking you you have many reasons why you wouldn't trust someone would like you. Legitimate reasons.

Dax Shepard
I don't know that they're legitimate. As much as if you have easier time believing people like you in general I don't know that you would be shining a light on all these specific categories. So another thing that Monica, we've argued about this in the past. She's like, I would never date someone who was a fan of the show because they like me. Because it's a little bit of a turn off.

And I said, well, Monica, you're not playing a character on this show. You're yourself. If someone's fallen in love with you, like they actually love you, you're showing all sides of yourself. Monica, I want to say something to you. And now to find out, like, if someone thinks the hottest girls in the world are indian and then that would even be a turn.

It's like, well, you're the number one most attractive type. They think, and they know you from the show and they actually know you. Those are things. I think they're a defense because those are fine things for someone to be attracted to you about. I'm dating a girl who lives in Ohio, okay?

Bobby Lee
And she dm'd me. She had on a thermos, my podcast sticker. And we start talking. Then we started facetiming. And I hang out with her maybe once a month, every other month because she lives far.

There is a comfort level there because she knows my character defects and some of my oddities and my instincts. You've already shown her your bad stuff. Exactly. On air. Yeah.

So she'll go, yeah, I know you don't like that kind of drink. You like that? Yeah. Because I don't want to have to audition. Yeah.

Dax Shepard
There's no false answers. Every date is an audition. I want to be able to do the song and dance and, like, is she gonna like this? She already likes all my bad shit. Yeah, it's so much easier.

Bobby Lee
Yeah. Like, you meet a stranger on a plane getting along great, and you're like, well, I guess maybe date three. I tell her, like, I'm a hardcore addict, man. You're gonna find me one day, baby. Here's the playbook.

Dax Shepard
Right? You don't have to do that. You talked about your mistakes with your ex girlfriend who you still have a show with. You're already owning up your shitty patterns that you do in relationships. Now, I understand if you're playing Rachel on friends and the person's in love with Rachel from friends, and then they meet you and now you're like, oh, fuck.

How long before they realize I'm not Rachel? I'm much richer and prettier. I'm Jennifer Aniston. That's exactly what it is. I gotta own the fact that I'm not in the marginalized class.

But if an indian girl says to me, I love tall white boys, I'm like, perfect. That's right. Get in line. So does everyone in the whole world. But some people like fat korean guys.

Monica Padman
I mean, look, I don't know. I don't know. There's one I'm suspicious of, but it's not of indian. So I am suspicious of white guys who have asian fetish for girls. That one.

Dax Shepard
I need to ask a few follow up questions. Well, I'm Asia. Go ahead. Yes. Cause my fear in that situation, if it's just aesthetic, great.

But if it's that you think Asians are more submissive and you'll be able to be more dominant and get away with more shit, and that's why you like Asians. I don't know that. I love that as a motivation to have a fetish. Yeah. I'm worried about asian women that only go out with white dudes.

Bobby Lee
I don't wanna get canceled, but I feel like there's an elitism or something about it. Well, I'll tell you what it is. Cause I love this. Where you spend your whole life trying to get the attention of the white guy at your high school, the quarterback is often a handsome white guy. So that is what starts to become ingrained.

Monica Padman
It's not about anything other than that. That just becomes like the highest get. Yeah. Cause they're holding all the status. It's wrong, but it's what happens.

Dax Shepard
We all wanna be validated by the highest status person available to us. Yeah. Whether Angelina Jolie is your type or not. You'd go on ten dates with her. Cause you're like, I can't believe she likes me.

Bobby Lee
Oh, yeah, I would. Yeah, I think. You think? I think, yeah, I would. 100%.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Six months. Six months.

Dax Shepard
I think it's three years. To realize it wasn't a match. That status goes a long way. But when I'm with white women, though, I have noticed, I'm gonna say something. So growing up, you know, I'm much older than you.

Bobby Lee
How old are you, Monica? 36. So I'm 52. So I was in an era in America where there was a lot of microaggressions with racism. Just little things that white people would say.

Dax Shepard
Well, also, I was thinking, too. Cause we're roughly the same age. You're a few years older than me, but you spent your time going through school at, like, the height of karate kid. All these things would pop up where it had to have all been fucked up. It was fine to be kind of overtly dismissive of Asians in the way that the movies were long duck dong.

Bobby Lee
So I talked to Getty one, and so when Magnum PI was a show, I would reoccur on it. And one day they're like, well, who do you want as a sushi chef in this thing? I go, try to get Getty one on a hobby. Is that who played long dog don't? Because I just wanted to be around him.

I grew up with him, and he. Fucking deserves something, right? For being the token. Yeah. So I'm with Getty.

We're sitting around, and I go, hey, that role, it blew you up, but it didn't do well for us. It's not a really good image for us. And he goes, you have to understand, Bobby, I'm an actor. That was my first audition in, like, four years with anybody of my type. And then when I showed up at the audition, every asian guy that's an actor was there fighting to get this one little thing.

And that's why I love Getty Watanabe. I loved what he went through, his struggles. Cause he's such a talented guy. Well, that's what sucks. So he's objectively, insanely funny in the role.

Insanely good. Holy smokes. The way he's playing hammered and writing the exercise, like, forget the asian stereotypes that are happening. The physicality of long. What was it?

Long duk dong. Every time I say, I'm like, it couldn't be that bad. Is it? Yes, it is. Long duck dong.

Monica Padman
I don't even. I don't know. What's 16 candles? 16 candles. And he gets drunk for the very first time, and then he has sex for the first time, and he is comic relief.

Dax Shepard
We're going back to check in with. Him at the party in high school, people would walk by me and say that. Of course. That's what I was trying to say. Yeah.

I used a dumb example. Karate. Cause there's a bunch of white people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I grew up with that.

Bobby Lee
There was never a movie where we were the leading man. I've never seen back then an asian man kiss anybody on anything, any screen tv or anything. Right. Not even in like, a Pepto bismol commercial or something. Nothing.

Monica Padman
Not much kissing happening. I've never seen it. Okay, honey, did your diarrhea pass from that pepto? Yeah, it's all gone. Oh, good, right?

Bobby Lee
I did a commercial with Jane lynch once. Her and I made out on a couch. It was for, like, booking.com. And I remember going, oh, this would have never happened. 2030 years ago.

Dax Shepard
No. So I'm always very aware. I feel great when that happened because I'm like, oh, I just never knew that this day would come. But anyway, now, because of all those little microaggressions I grew up with, I. Sometimes when I'm with white girls that are mean to me, I kind of go, why am I in this situation?

Bobby Lee
Is because I'm used to it. And so what I'm trying to do is set boundaries and not date people like that because I'm trying to treat myself better. It's like when I used to have a bad audition. So one time I had this audition in front of Amy Poehler. It was so bad, I froze.

Dax Shepard
And you must have wanted to do so good. We love her. I love her, too. I was in my car. I took a bottle of water, and I smashed my head to the point where I was bleeding in my face to punish myself for fucking up because, you know, my dad would do it.

Yes. Right? I just don't do that anymore to myself. Good. I don't put myself in any of those kind of situations.

Bobby Lee
I don't punish myself over things anymore, repeatedly. Because I want to try to just have empathy for myself and love myself. I bet you and I have shared this thought where the decency. I'll extend someone in an AA meeting, I'll hear something that they did. And my first thought is, yeah, dude, life's hard and we fuck up, and we're gonna do better tomorrow.

Dax Shepard
It's fine. And if I do the same thing that that person did, it would be months of self flagellation. And I'm a terrible piece of shit, 100%. And sometimes I'll go, like, as a goal, if you could even be half as nice as you are to strangers at a meeting, as you are to yourself. That would be a huge improvement.

Bobby Lee
Why do we do that to ourselves? Oh, I know. It's brutal. We punish ourselves, and that feels genetic. Cause my daughter, we've bonded over this.

Dax Shepard
She's a little girl. I'll go, do you ever embarrass yourself? Oh, yeah. And we'll tell funny stories. We've embarrassed ourselves.

And then she'll go. And then I just. I'm so mean to myself in my head afterwards, I'm like, me too. I call myself terrible names. She's like, you wouldn't believe when I call myself.

Bobby Lee
But do you tell her to stop doing that or. No, stop is maybe a pipe dream, but you're not alone. Ah, I'm like that too. And, yeah, it blows in aa. You wanna go like, so you should stop drinking.

Dax Shepard
You go like, oh, fuck yeah, brother. I did the same thing. Yeah. Like, back in the day, before Bill met Bob in 1935, he would go like, you need to do this. It wasn't working.

Bobby Lee
It's. Until he met Bob for the first time, where he went, this is what I went through. These are my experiences, and these are the feelings attached to those experiences. And then Bob was like, oh, I relate to you. That's exactly what I go through.

Dax Shepard
And then they would go to a hospital, and all they would say is their story. They're not there to go, like, you know, this is bad for your liver. The motherfucker's yellow. Yeah, yeah, we know it's bad for his liver. He's in the liver ward.

Bobby Lee
Sometimes I think. I think without those guys meeting, what would I be doing right now? Oh, I know. There's some bizarre magic to it. It's flawed.

Dax Shepard
I have complaints. They need to update it. I agree. I think we're in an interesting phase of it in its history. There's a call to, I think, make the mistake christians have made and that constitutionals have made, where it's just like, you start revering the beginning of something so much that you're not taking on any new information.

Everything should evolve. There's no sacred text. Everything needs a rewrite as more information is known. Like, if I didn't address my trauma and do EMDR and see a trauma therapist and do all that kind of work, right? I don't know if I'd be sitting here right now.

Totally. I had a friend. Thank God. I'll give him a shout out. Kevin, I was going through a ton of stuff a few years ago, and he said to me, you know, aa is not gonna be enough with your childhood, like, your brain wiring is fucked.

Bobby Lee
Wow. And there's no step for that. You're gonna have to really figure out how to get into your brain a bit. And then I did start therapy in a good way, but, yeah, I was hoping it would cause. Fuck.

Dax Shepard
It does cure so much of your shit. It's great. You do wake up as a person you couldn't have fathomed. You'd be like, you actually can hear when you're lying to yourself. And you can admit to people when you were lying, you can say sorry.

Like, these things were unimaginable to me. And you do start to think, well, I could probably solve every problem I have with this. I think you can clean up most wreckage through doing the steps. I think there's just certain things that are so deep seated into your body that it just doesn't work. How do you feel about people in the program without telling their sponsor, doing ayahuasca?

I say this sincerely. I don't care what anyone does. There are people who use weed in the program that they seem to be fine. There are people that do ayahuasca or they do shrooms. I don't have an opinion on it.

All I have is, for me, I think we all have a different set of things that would set us off. I'm not one to prescribe. Now. If I was working with a dude and every time he did an edible. I know your story.

You took an edible on an airplane ride to Hawaii, and you woke up three months later and you're on the verge of dying. So I would say to you, I don't think edibles for you work, but I also think people do it, and I just don't have an opinion. My sponsor says ayahuasca no, which is fine. I love my sponsor, so I'm not gonna do it. But I do know a couple of people that are super active in the program that did it a couple years ago.

Bobby Lee
One time, it was a great experience for them. They didn't do other drugs or anything after that. I believe them. I believe them, too. I have watched documentaries on ayahuasca where it talks about in the same way shrooms can as well.

Dax Shepard
Your brain starts functioning in a way where it forms new neural pathways and kind of breaks down these superhighways. We have where you and I. Something tiny happens to us and we react like someone has pointed a gun at us. Like I overreact to certain stimuli so dramatically that, yeah, if I could do ayahuasca, and that part would be over now I haven't done it. I would tell you if I did.

At the same time, I'm also suspicious of you. Would take something that would fix you. I just think anytime I think I'm gonna take something that's gonna fix me, I do have a knee jerk that probably not. That's why I haven't done it. Also, risk reward for each individual person.

Monica Padman
You should know, and I think you two do, the likelihood of this going very poorly. And is that worth the reward of quote fixing? I guess it depends how much pain you're in. I'm not in enough daily pain that I need to experiment with ayahuasca. I'm just not.

Bobby Lee
I would have to explore all the other alternatives before I made that decision. I'm doing trauma therapy, and I do sometimes EMDR. In fact, there are some times where I go away to a place for a week and do, like, a week worth of psychotherapy. Really just try to get in there. If those roads end and I'm still, then maybe I would consider it.

Dax Shepard
You're bringing up the best part. And this is what I should have said when you first said that. I don't think anyone should get sober to be miserable and suffer and be suicidal. I don't think that's the goal. So I'm not in a position where I'm so uncomfortable being alive and I'm doing all the stuff.

So it's not fair for me to say that that person shouldn't do ayahuasca. Cause I'm not suffering hourly. But there are people that are. And so. So you're gonna tell somebody who's literally, maybe the other option is killing themselves and they're already sober.

Who am I to say you shouldn't try that thing? I'm not in the judgment game of it all. I don't really give a fuck what anyone does. If they're somehow drinking and going to five meetings a week, and they go to their job every day and they're married and everyone's happy, well, then I don't even know. They end up probably not an alcoholic.

Bobby Lee
Yeah, maybe they're not. It's not for me to say. I can only say that when I am doing that, I feel morally bankrupt and miserable. I mean, I know guys that are hugely successful and just riddled with the disease. They show up to everything, and their family loves them, and they'll even say, yeah, I'm a chronic alcoholic, and they can just do it.

I look at them, I go, I can't do that. That's the point. I don't think there's a moral imperative about being an addict. I think if you are an addict and you're happy and everyone around you is happy, I don't think that's implicitly bad for me. I'm very unhappy and the people around me are sad.

Yeah. Yeah. But somehow Nicholson and I don't want to get sued by him, but it appears this dude has gone hard his whole life and it has worked the fuck out for him. I'm jealous of it. I'm Gary Busey.

Oh, me, too. Right? I'll be in a motorcycle accident. Yeah. I'm Charlie.

Sane dude. Yeah. Tiger blood, tiger blood, tiger blood. You know what I mean? I'm like that guy.

Monica Padman
Wait, but this gets back to the pin. We're revisiting the pin. So you got sober between 17 and 30? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're so good.

Bobby Lee
It's in here. You're the best. You'll never forget that name. Yeah. No, she's the best.

Yeah. So from 17, how do we get there? When do you start using? So, wait, there's bullying. Dad is violent.

Dax Shepard
I can't really even begin to imagine what it's like to not be communicating with my parents and for them to not be communicating with me through time. I have a lot of empathy for them. They both experienced the Korean War. My mom witnessed my aunt. And then my dad never went to school.

Bobby Lee
He was a street kid. He was kind of in gangs and stuff. Started a great business. Yeah. Later on when he came to America, so, you know, there is a little bit of empathy there.

So I was born into the household. My parents had money, so we lived in affluent areas. And then we moved to San Diego from Minnesota when I was eleven. I just was in so much pain. So my parents had a refrigerator in the garage and my mom would stock it for my dad.

Beers, other liquors. And he drank so much that I was just able to go in there. They would never notice. And you were eleven and also I'm small. Yeah.

A beer. A beer and a half, two beers would just obliterate me and give you relief. Relief from it. And I remember just laying in bed drunk. I would hide the cans and just being.

Ugh. Yeah. Like the pressure was finally off. Yeah. The problem was I was outside my house one day and this skateboarder kid flipped over his board and he started chomping up meth.

I was like, eleven or twelve. I walked up to him, I go, I didn't even ask what I was. Can I have some at eleven, at 1112. Well, I guess then when you were eleven, that's 82. It's everywhere.

Monica Padman
He does fast math. It's everywhere. Incredible. My family's from rice production. It literally was rampant in San Diego at the time.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. So ever present. And it was easy to get to. You could order a truck of souda fed. No one ask a question.

They had to claim that. I mean, I didn't have a lab, so I didn't do that. And then I just remember, oh, this is great. And then smoke weed, and I would steal money from my parents and get weed, meth, acid. Did you also like that it allowed you to join a group of people quite easily?

Cause that's the other thing people leave out, is a lot of early addicts were also quite lonely. And it's a pretty turnkey group of friends and a non judgmental group of friends. I always only had one guy that I would hang out with even later in life when I did relapse. I'm a loner user. I don't go to bars.

Bobby Lee
I'm just in a hotel room. Getting darker. Traps. Getting darker and darker. Yeah, dark.

One time, Andrew Santino came to my hotel room once. I was blackout drunk, and he walked in and I had poof. All over my body. Just kind of, like, shaking. He remembers that.

But when I was 17, I got sober. Did your parents initiate that, or did you say I needed help? They didn't know what, they just thought you were american. They're like, fuck, you don't understand this kid. Super American.

We had our kid in the middle. No, at 13, they were like, don't be gay. At 17, they were, live, don't die. You could see me dying. So I went to two or three different places before McDonald's center.

When I was 17, I got sober there, and I met this old korean man, the name of Dan. I just gave him a 40 year cake last week. Wow. In San Diego. But this old korean man who's in AA, who has long white hair, he has tattoos like a biker guy, but spoke fluent Korean.

He became my sponsor when I was a junior in high school. And I stayed sober from then till 30, until I got on mad tv, and then I relapsed. Okay, great. Back to really just one last thing. You have this little brother, Steve.

Dax Shepard
How much younger? You're getting blasted. You knew that was happening to you, and I have to assume you had to have known it was happening to your little brother. I took the brunt of it. Cause my brother abided by the rules.

Bobby Lee
So he would do everything he could to not get in trouble. So he took the straight a route. He took the I'm in sports and activities and made friends with people. I took the other route, which is interesting, but we both experienced trauma. But his trauma, he lashes out outwardly, so he's easy to snap and fight and get into physical confrontations.

I go within, I punish myself. So that's the difference between us two. That's a great relief to me because I was thinking probably even more heartbreaking for me than the abuse, taking it myself. If I was unable to help my little sister through that, that would have been way worse for me. So I'm glad Stevie wasn't also adding to the inferno, thank God.

Although he did get some of it. But my mom, especially one time she came to my room, it's like two in the morning, and my brother and I slipped in the same room, and she opened her mouth and she had a tooth missing and she was bleeding. And then my mom in Korean goes, help me with the door. Right? So my brother and I and my mom barricaded.

It was like two in the morning. And when I talk about it now, it's not as impactful because I've done Emdr on this one incident. You're disconnected, so I can talk about it. But I just remember it just being like, are we gonna die? When you wake up abruptly and you see things like that, it sucks.

Monica Padman
It's war. It sucks. Yeah. Fuck the event itself. It's the notion that that can happen at any time that fucks you up.

Dax Shepard
I think, like, once mom comes in the room once at 02:00 a.m. With the tooth out of her mouth, your logical assumption is, when will that happen again? Probably soon. And you'll just never have peace of mind after that. Yes.

Bobby Lee
This is your mom. This is now an option on planet Earth, is that mom comes in missing some teeth, and we got fucking barricade ourselves from the wild boar out in the living room. It creates a permanent sense of unrest forever. You know what I do, Dax? I just realized this.

I not only close my door in my bedroom, I put stuff in front of the door, like a chest and another chair. I have a big thing with the door closed, too. And my wife's like, we have kids down the hall. And I'm like, every man for themselves. They should lock their door.

Dax Shepard
We should lock our door. Wow. Wow. No, not lock, but I want to at least hear the door get open. Yeah.

Bobby Lee
What is that? Nicotine spray. Wow. Get that, Copenhagen. Oh, you're using the.

Dax Shepard
The little bandits. Yeah, little bandits. Yeah, little cute little bandits. Okay, so you get on mad tv, you make money. Back then it was like sketch money.

But you've got, like, 22 paychecks coming. That's true. Were you making pretty good living as a stand up at that point? No, but I went from no money to, well, I did this IBM commercial, so I had some money from that. 60 grand on that.

Bobby Lee
No, I'm not made. 350. Wow. And a fucking commercial. Commercial.

Those were the days. 350. It was a campaign for IBM. Joe Pitka directed it. You know, it was pretty good.

Monica Padman
Yeah, that doesn't happen anymore. They don't do that anymore. But back then, you would see people go, I bought. You know, I bought something. Yeah, I bought an IBM.

Bobby Lee
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get on mad and getting a weekly paycheck. I have my own apartment now, and I bought a car, so that's cool. But what happened was, you know, I've talked about this so much. Something happened the first couple of weeks of mad where it really hurt my feelings, and I just instantly relapsed after 13 years.

Monica Padman
Wow. After the insult, was it a racial thing? No, it was. You don't have to share it if you don't want it. No, it was just somebody from the show that had some power who outwardly said that he doesn't think that I'm funny, and it hurt my feelings.

Bobby Lee
No offense to the guy, you know? No offense. No offense to the guy. Yeah. What?

You're right. You don't think someone's funny. You don't think I'm funny, that it's not an assault on anyone, but you're already feeling like you don't belong there, and he confirms your biggest fear. Well, I had never been on a tv show before, so. You're also the first asian to be on a sketch show.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. You're like, when is the door gonna open up and mom's coming in? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, number one, I don't know what a jib camera is.

Bobby Lee
I don't know what a mark is. I don't know how to vocalize in front of a live audience. I don't know anything. So you're learning all that shit. I'm from stand up, so I've never done a sketch class.

Dax Shepard
Yeah, you haven't acted. I never written a character. I don't know any of the shit. So imagine the pressure I have to kill this. And then you overhear that somebody there who has some power doesn't think that I'm funny.

Bobby Lee
Yeah, that hurt me, of course. And so I went out, and then the next two years were just painful. Did you go out drinking? No. So I couldn't sleep that night when I heard that a friend of mine, Paul, had some valiums.

So I took about two valiums, and then I go, get me bottles. You're back to the little boy in the bedroom on two beers. Exactly. And I started taking it during the day, and then I'm like, what else? So then Viking was the thing, and I was taking, like, 20 to 30 a day.

Dax Shepard
He didn't even work. When I tell people I was taking 30 plus a day. Yeah. They're like, what do you mean? I'm like, after the first four, they don't even work.

Bobby Lee
They don't work. You take five at a time, thinking, like, well, that might get me back to that initial. It's the worst. It's the worst. I tell people this all the time, like, go ahead and be a drug addict, but I'm telling you, skip that one.

Dax Shepard
It's such a fucking way. You can always get too drunk. Coke works, yeah. Meth works. Yeah.

Pregnant does not even work. It was great. Yeah, there's a minute. It's great. Amazing feeling.

At that same time, I was in the growlings, and I was eating quite a bit of Vicodin, and I'd go to this dude's house. Coker was his name, was the dealer, and he had the bottles that the pharmacy had, and he had dozens of them. I don't know what the count of those bottles was, but a thousand or something. Yeah. And I'd go, oh, I need a hundred.

And he'd eyeball it. It'd be like 150. I mean, that's how free they were in 2002. I should have known. Coker, about that.

Monica Padman
Yeah. Damn it. I'm glad you didn't. Yeah. I had to go through my friend Paul.

Bobby Lee
But anyway, second year in, I would get so sick if I didn't have it. It's a sickness I don't ever want to experience again. It's like your spine is about to snap. Your insides are rattling. The relapse four years ago, it took a month before I felt right.

Yeah. At our age, going out. Oh, God, dude, if I eat a lot of cheese, I feel terrible. I know. Like, your body is going, we can't do this.

Dax Shepard
No, we're old. We're not doing this. Do you have any autoimmune issues? What does that mean? Autoimmune disease?

There's a trillion of them I happen to have. I don't think I have. Okay, Monica, do you drink? Probably too much. Are you seeing anybody?

Monica Padman
No. So you're single? I'm single. I'm drinking, doing it all. Yeah, I do drink.

I don't think I'm an alcoholic, but I do like drinking. I like going on dates with women when they have a glass of wine. I want somebody to be able to just do what they do. It gets so habitual, though. I get into phases.

I'm sort of entering one where I feel like I'm back in this habit where it's part of the day you finish work or you're working on work and you have a glass of wine and it just becomes part of it. And after a while, I do think, like, when was the last time I didn't? Well, I could tell you, Bobby, because we speak the same language. So she has a frequency that maybe has a question mark on it, but she doesn't get hammered ever. It's not like she ever will drink.

Four glasses of wine sometimes. Okay. But rare. It's not like every night. It becomes four glasses in the mornings.

Bobby Lee
You've never done it? Well, I've had, like, mimosas. Yeah, if you're on a Sunday with. A girl or maui or whatever. Yeah, sure, sure.

Monica Padman
I'm not, like, waking up. I want to go. No, I'm not waking up and pouring wine or drinking in the morning. I don't have anything like that. And there's a part of me that is, like, if I did, that'd be easier.

I would know that was an actual problem. This is so gray. Yeah, hers is very innocuous. I think it's fine. It's nothing.

Dax Shepard
It's fine. You know, it's funny, Bobby. You would love this moment. Monica and I had. We were one time driving through this neighborhood and I went and grabbed a Perrier can out of her cup holder.

We're in her car, and I go to take a sip, and she screamed, no. And my first thought was, oh, there's alcohol in here. And she had spit in it. Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow. But I said, I assumed there was alcohol in it.

And then she said, wouldn't you be so alarmed that I had alcohol in a perrier thing? And I go, no, I observe your life. I was watching his children at the time. I don't see any wreckage. You're very dependable.

You're not moody, actually. Wouldn't think anything of it. Yeah, you couldn't believe that. Well, yeah, I wouldn't either. What?

Monica Padman
You guys, if you're in a car, someone has a perrier that they've replaced with alcohol. It could be great reason. I don't know the circumstances of why. That Perrier is there. You know what I mean?

Bobby Lee
From last night. Yes. You wanted to have one on the way to the bar. That's all right. You made a vodka perrier.

Dax Shepard
That's fun. Keep it in the can. The cops won't know. That doesn't mean you're an alcoholic. It means you like to be loose.

When you're behind the wheel. If I was around anyone with that, I would think they had a. It's just so funny, the evolution of all what happened, which is like, I took a sip of her spit, but then it transferred immediately into this crazy debate where she was more troubled that I wouldn't be troubled that she had alcohol in there. That was a mess. That one four minute stretch might summarize our entire existence.

Monica Padman
For real. Yeah.

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Bobby Lee
Now, Dax, why four years ago? I've always wanted to ask you, did you go out? There's a long version and short version. I'll try to do a medium version. I had broken my arm.

Dax Shepard
I had a prescription for Vicodin, and Kristen handed them out to me. And I decided I would not take those when I traveled back to Detroit because I was going to see my dad, who was dying of cancer and she wouldn't be there to administer the Vicodin. So while I was with my dad and he had all these percocets, I said, you know what? I have a prescription for Vicodin at home. I'm gonna take some of these percocets.

Bobby Lee
Makes sense. That was eight years into being sober. I had a total meltdown. Kristen ended up coming to Detroit and surprising me. Did he pass?

Dax Shepard
Two months later, he did. But again, here's the thing where, like, when I read about you and your dad and your recent relapse, it's like I would have told you, I'm handling that whole experience fine. I'm flying home once a week to deal with his thing. The room's full of aa people. I would tell you that it wasn't really having an impact on me, but I did that thing and no one will like this.

My dad and I did sit in his living room looking out over the lake, and we were both on Percocet and we're both sober. I don't hate that. I had that moment with my dad. I'd never party with my dad, but we were both just kind of sitting there, enjoying the thing. Next day, I'm overwhelmed with guilt and fear.

Oh, my God. I've relapsed. I'm gonna have to reset my day. Kristin comes in. I confess to her what I did.

I took this, and I wasn't prescribed that, and blah, blah, blah. And she's like, look, it's fine. You're here. I have that prescription. You're not gonna do it again, and you keep it moving.

And I was like, okay. And I kept it moving, but that was almost like when those owls that the falconer flies, they're only supposed to eat the food from the trainer. If they catch a mouse one time, danger, they're gonna want to hunt again. Yeah. Because I had that experience, and really, it was fine.

And opiates were never really my thing. Over the years, I break a lot of stuff, and when I would use opiates, I was tricky. So she would administer them, but I also would maybe not take them at night so I could save up, and in the morning, I could take three times the dosage. So we're in a very gray area, sporadically for several years. I certainly don't think I need to come in and say I need a new date.

But I'm also being a little tricky when I have them prescribed. Okay. Then in rapid order, I break my hand. All the bones across it. I get all these pins.

I'm in a motorcycle racing off road stuff. Stop doing that. No. Okay. We're going Monday.

So I get all these pins, and then I get a pretty healthy dose of real good opiates for a while. Almost immediately after I shatter my shoulder, my ribs, my thing on a motorcycle. Now I have multiple surgeries. Now I'm on a lot of opiates. What was very misleading about the opiates compared to the other stuff is, like, if I drink, you will know in 1 second, because the second I'm drunk, I'm gonna get coke.

And when I get coke, I do it for three days. There's no version where I don't do it for three days. There'd be no hiding. In the most conventional sense, it's unmanageable. This was very weird.

I'm on opiates. I'm still doing the podcast. I'm still very responsive and present with my family, and I'm going, this is weird. This isn't very unmanageable. This is fine, other than I know you have to keep upping your dosage.

Cause you get used to it so quickly. Like, I'm not dumb. I know that that's an issue at. This point in your mind, did you know? You realized, I think I still had plausible deniability at that point.

I wasn't ready to accept that. It was when I started buying them illegally. I was like, okay, now we're definitely doing something. And then that lasted for a couple months. And then I decided I have to quit, and I started to try to do it on my own.

And then I was visibly going through detoxes, and then I copped to the whole thing. Wow. It's just a sneaky sucker, huh? So when I relapsed after 17 years, I was doing my friend sam Tripoli's show at the main room, and his show is sponsored by a weed company. And I have 17 years of sobriety.

You already fucked up on mad tv. You got sober again, and now you have 17 years again. I did 13 and then 17. For me, it's always, I just stopped going to meetings and stopped calling my sponsor. And this is years.

Bobby Lee
Cause you think you can do it. Have time. 1516 years. I don't even think about this stuff. Yeah.

So I'm sitting there and. And this guy that owns this weed company goes, hey, we have a package. When people do the show. And I go, I'm sober. He's like, oh, cool.

But I have a CBD thing. And I go, what's a CBd thing? I don't know what it is. What do you stand for? And he goes, this oil has 1% thc in it just to activate the CBD.

Right. But if you just do the dosage, you're not gonna feel it. So I drank the whole thing. Yes, of course. And I got buzzed.

So I went back next week. Cause my stomach hurt. Because you're not supposed to drink, of course. That's all oil. So my stomach really was in pain.

Hey, do you have one that's like 50%? It started getting better, and then I started getting 99% thc, 1% CBD. And obviously I had relapsed. And it was just that easy. Did you know at that point when it was 99%?

I think when I drink that whole bottle for that 1%, I knew there's something really strange about this. I think a lot of people who have relapsed will relate to this. You're distracted at first with the thought of just making sure no one knows. You forget that you didn't ever get sober for anyone else. You got sober cause you were miserable.

Dax Shepard
But at some point in sobriety, I started telling myself this thought, well, if no one knows and I'm focused on them. And then again, deciding to ignore, like, well, I know, and I can't really live that way. First thought is, can I get away with it? But you ignored the fact that, like. You know, the problem is the eight years of real Sarah that you had, that never goes away.

Bobby Lee
So that's in your mind and your heart, you know now. Yeah. And I was sad and missed that purity I felt that first eight years. There was nothing on my report card that you could have said was tricky. And then I had several years of just.

Dax Shepard
That was in the back of my mind. I still only had them when they were prescribed to me. All these other ways I would justify it, but it never had that super clean feeling that those first eight years had. There are moments in pure sobriety that is just the most joyous I've ever been. I know when you have those ages, you're like, why don't I recognize?

I am so much happier this way. The freedom and also your belief that everything's gonna work out. You're not looking into the future and going, what if this happens? And this happens, you're just really in the present moment. Just like, I'm here, I'm free, and I have peace.

Bobby Lee
Those occasions are rare, but I never had them. No, when you go like. Yeah, when you go like, I don't need anything to feel okay is the most miraculous feeling you can have. It's amazing. Cause you really, for so much you're life, you're convinced you can't feel okay without something.

Especially growing up, going through all the experiences. I was never taught these tools and this way of living. There was no Internet. I'm just in this violent house of chaos, driving. Do you want to talk about the movie there?

Yes, yes, yes. We're getting there. By the way, this is about the time I would always start talking about the movie. Yeah. Really?

Dax Shepard
We always do. We're always doing 2 hours. It's insane. Yeah. What is your show?

1 hour and you're out. Congratulations on your show. Oh, thank you. I'm bad friends. Oh, thank you so much.

It's enormous. Come on, you're the king. Well, I don't know that I'm the king. No, I'm genuinely happy for you and Andrew so much. You guys have a wonderful living off of doing podcasts, right?

Bobby Lee
Obviously, him and I both had decent careers before it. Yeah, but the fan base when it comes to podcasting is a completely different kind of relationship you have with them. When I see them in the streets, it's not weird. I love them. I love them so much.

Monica Padman
I know. I just don't know why you don't do it on video. We know why. Yeah, we do know why. All right.

Bobby Lee
I'll tell you the assets of it, and then you tell me the cons of it. I'll give you the pros. And let's have this debate right now. Let's settle this once and for all. I still believe mine's the right way.

Dax Shepard
I think yours is the right way. I think Theo's is the right way. All right, dad. I'm not. Let me do my pros first, okay?

Okay. Yeah. You don't do your cons yet. Okay. So, number one, you're gonna reach a broader audience.

Yes, for sure. And definitely more males. Males love consuming things on YouTube. It's a very male dominated platform. I already kind of feel what your cons are about you saying that.

I agree with you. It's very sneaky that you did that just now. Interesting. Yeah, no, what's my pro. How about you not saying no nunchian?

I forgot my word. No noon cheek. I can do it right now. All right, so number one, a bigger audience. Number two, it's more money.

Bobby Lee
And number three, it becomes more like a tv show almost. When you have guests, it's like the reoccurring on the sitcom. I already feel like I've lost the thing. No, I'm drowning. I'm drowning.

I'm drowning. No, no, I'm drowning. I'm drowning. I think one of your cons is gonna be like, yeah, well, your guests won't be as vulnerable, but you can be vulnerable with the cameras on as well. You can.

Dax Shepard
I can. We go to aa. We're used to being stared at, saying crazy stuff. We've had a bunch of episodes, and they are among our best ones, that I am certain wouldn't have happened if they had a camera pointed it at them. I think there's a magic.

There's two things I would say to push back a. I love other people's video stuff. I think Theo's show is so fucking great. I just watched you on it again this morning. It's so fucking funny.

I just adore him. I love that. I think that we wouldn't get the conversations we have if people saw a camera pointed at them. One. You don't know that yet, though.

Totally. I'm guessing at that two, I don't like people being distracted by how. How people look. I don't want them to have to go through hair and makeup, and I don't want people watching, like, oh, yeah, she looks pretty good, or, she doesn't look pretty good, or, oh, she must have got her eyes done, or her chin lift. I want you to be listening to what's in this person's soul and not distracted by evaluating how they look.

You're cringing at the notion of that. What I wanna say to you is, you won the argument. Because I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I think I feel far more relaxed this experience, because usually I'm so aware of the time, like, okay, we've got to be at 45.

Bobby Lee
But this time I literally went, I think we did 45, and I looked and we did double that. Yes. Because it's a state of flow. I'm still gonna stay on video. No, you're the way.

You're gonna love video. I love video, and you're doing much more comedy than we are. It's different types of shows, too. My third thing I want to say is the singular auditory experience, to me, is such an antidote to the fucking stimuli that we're overwhelmed with. So, like, I do it.

Dax Shepard
I listen to this show. I listen to other shows that are only audio. I now can't hear any other thing. I enter this weird kind of sacred space. I listen to this american life when I lay in bed.

Bobby Lee
Great as hell, right? I love Ira. I listen to the Moth Doorways podcast, and they're not on video radio lab. And I lay in bed and I listen, I close my eyes, and if those two things were on video, I don't think I would see it. No, it's also intimacy.

Dax Shepard
There's a lot of intimacy, and you block out every other thing. Or at least for me, when I'm working out, listening to a podcast or I'm hiking, that's actually white noise. And I'm, like, in another time and space. But when I'm watching stuff, I'm also looking at my kids, I'm looking at the room. Here's another argument, though.

Bobby Lee
People listen to my podcast, too. I'm just giving them a second option. Absolutely. But the gas part. The gas part is.

You're absolutely correct. I think you want it. I think you're better, brighter than me, right? Literally, you won this conversation. My mind is completely turned around.

I came in with this. Like, I'm gonna convince them. I'm gonna liberate them. I'm gonna liberate them. And I failed miserably.

I think you're right. I wanna say congratulations. This is amazing. So I'm here because I'm promoting a movie. I know, but it's actually a very easy segue.

Dax Shepard
Because the movie that you're here to promote, sweet dreams, is about sobriety. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. When I was shooting this thing, I didn't know. You know, sometimes you're on a set and you're like, I don't know.

You mean you don't know how it's gonna turn out. And you don't even know what movie you're in. Cause both happens. No, I knew what movie I was in. I just think this might not be good.

Oh, sure, sure, sure. Because of the parameters. Cause of the low budget. Because it's a softball movie as well. I thought the stakes seemed not high enough.

Bobby Lee
You would show up, and there was, like, not a lot of people in the stands. It was more guerrilla filmmaking. And I just didn't know the tone, really. But I trusted Lijah and his notes and his direction. But last week, I saw the movie.

And also, I've been in some movies. I've never seen myself on the big screen. You haven't? Long time ago, I was in Harold and Kumar, and I went to that screening. I remember seeing my big, gigantic korean head on the screen.

I go, look at that bobblehead. I literally had, like, a visceral, negative kind of experience, and I ran out of the theater. It's never nice. Look at that bobblehead. And so I never did.

But this one, I sat through it because it was about sobriety. And I watched it. And I have to say, dax, number one, I think it's the best movie I've ever seen when it comes to portraying aa meetings. Okay. Cause it's always a disaster when they do it.

Dax Shepard
Everyone's so serious. It's in a gymnasium. It's always a circle of some. And in a gym. I've never been to a meeting in a gym.

Tens of thousands of meetings. I've been to churches. I've been to, like, you know, even people's houses. Yeah. Even, like, schools I've been to.

Bobby Lee
And they're always like. You know that line in the big book? It says, we are not a glum lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

It's always a glum lot. Yes. The person's always delivering the monologue. Please release my family from this jail. Yeah.

So this is the first movie where I was watching it and there was a couple of scenes between Jay Moore's in it, you know? So Jay plays Johnny's sponsor, Johnny Knoxville. There are scenes between them doing a sponsor sponsy kind of conversation where I went, oh, that felt real. They got it. Yeah, yeah.

Dax Shepard
I don't know if I've ever seen it done right. Me either. That's great. There's a lot of laughter and joy. I've walked out of the meetings going, that was, like, better than a play or whatever.

Bobby Lee
Right? That was fun. And that's never portrayed. And because lige, the director, is a member of the program. Yeah.

He's outwardly says it well, good. If he says. Can I say it? If he has? Yeah.

Okay. So when we were shooting these a meetings, you know, all the background were people from his men's meeting. Oh, awesome. Right? So perfect.

It's perfect. Right? So you have a spattering of actors, but everyone I know from the rooms. Right. And they're giving the real reactions.

Right. They weren't in a circle. They were kind of disheveled. Everyone's so fucking unique. Yeah, yeah.

And guys with a lot of time there, too. So when watching it, I'm like, I think you got the tone really. Right. And also, you know, obviously there's some things I have problems with, but I think, in general, if you want to watch a movie that betrays people getting sober, this is pretty real. They did not give me a screener.

Dax Shepard
I only got to watch the trailer. But I would love to see that, because, of course, every time I see a. On tv, I'm like, ooh, who would want to go to a meeting? Leo Vaughn's first movie. It's Chelsea Lin who plays trailer trash Tammy online.

Bobby Lee
It's her's first movie. Yeah, the cast is Wild Mo Ammer. Kate Upton Gaeta, who? I love him. Fucking love.

Dax Shepard
Did you talk to him at all? Oh, yeah. I love Gaida. Yeah. Tell me about Gaeda.

Bobby Lee
He's an anomaly. You know, he's really bipolar. Right? That's bipolar. He had drugs and alcohol in his family.

His parents both died from it. But Gaeta is just a kind, warm guy. I mean, I'm not familiar with his music. Right. So it's great.

I stick with the clash in the Velvet underground. That's pretty much my wheelhouse. Nice zone for you sometimes. Pixies. We could share a road trip together with that playlist.

Yeah, you know, joy division, whatnot, and. You know, new Order. I'm getting half hard right now. Like the island. Psychedelic furs.

Dax Shepard
A little bit that should have been part of the question. It's like you're on an island. It's you and Brad Pitt. But also, is there any music? Because that would make a big difference.

Bobby Lee
Well, I know that Brad likes the same kind of music I do, because I know he's a huge Radiohead fan. Jeff Buckley. Oh, love, Jeff. Yeah. Yeah.

So I think we would have related on that. Also, one last thing about Brad Pitt. I saw him in a glass, the. Coen Brothers movie, burn after reading. Burn after reading.

And my brother and I both admit it probably is one of the best comedic performances of any actor I've ever seen. He's so funny in that fucking movie. Him on the treadmill. If it were anyone else, I'd be mad. Why?

Dax Shepard
Well, like, when timber, like, hosted sarin live, and I was like, oh, come on. This guy's one of the best hosts of all time. He never did sketch comedy, and he's also Timberlake. And sing like that. Yeah, yeah.

What am I gonna do? I know, I know. I was in the growlings. I can't host it. I know.

Bobby Lee
You see guys that can do it all, and you just kind of go, I can't do nothing. I've been thinking that a lot about Walton Goggins. You know Walton Goggins? Did you watch vice principles or righteous gemstones? Yeah, I love righteous.

Dax Shepard
So he's uncle baby Billy. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's also the best dramatic actor on Planet Earth. I'm watching something right now where he's like a fucking noseless cowboy, and I'm like, how can this guy be?

Bobby Lee
I love the game. Wait till you see the fucking show. You play the game? No, never played it. Didn't even know it was the game when I was watching it.

Have you not played the game?

Dax Shepard
I know now I want to because the show's so good. It's one of the greatest games rpg's of all time. Rob, have you played it? Have you played it? You guys are fucking idiots.

What a waste of your.

Bobby Lee
Who makes role playing games? Yeah, they're one of the producers. Yeah. So they did elder scrolls, which is like Skyrim and Oblivion, the series of games. I love games.

Dax Shepard
I'm finding out that wasn't even one of my questions. I'm a part of the human race. It's a part of pop culture. It's great. Yeah, you're just plugged in.

Bobby Lee
So Jordan Peele, one time, years ago, when we were broke, we were at a Gamestop, and he goes, yo, man, you gotta play Morrowind, which is an elder scroll. And ever since he recommended it, I've been into Bethesda. But my point is, is that fallout. You don't have a PlayStation? Don't have any system?

Dax Shepard
No. Why are you getting so nervous right now? You're acting weird. Well, I just. We were on such a good run there.

With psychedelic furs and modern English. Yeah. Yeah. I understand. So how many episodes are you in?

I have 15 minutes left of the finale. We interviewed Jonah Nolan. And so I got the screeners. I know when that show was in. Pre production, I called my age and I go, I don't care.

Bobby Lee
I'll be background. Get me on the show. And I couldn't get anything. They should use you because there's really fun little. Just last night, Fred Armisen pops up for just a normal fallout.

That people say, fallout, that piece of shit. So anyway, hey, fallout producers, I'll be background. I don't care. I'll do anything. I never get to do cool shit.

But anyway, let's just move on. So, let me ask you something about fallout. Yeah. So how much of the show is in vault life? Oh, great question.

Dax Shepard
I would say 30% of it. Okay, so, second question. Is there 1950s music in it? Yes. So one of the coolest things is the aesthetic of it is retro futuristic.

Bobby Lee
That's what the game is. It is awesome. All the tv sets are from the fifties. They drive a bobblehead in it. Is there a blonde?

Is there, like, posters with a guy in a vault suit? A cartoon drawing? And he has blonde hair or whatever. That detail may have escaped. Is the vault door a circle?

Dax Shepard
Yes, it's a circle. But then it also has, like, a sprocket wood. Yeah. So it can roll. Oh, fuck.

On the track. Are there ghouls in it? Walt? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's.

Bobby Lee
I'm gonna watch it. You're gonna flip. What are you talking about Walt for again? We were talking about people that were really good at both things. And Brad was really funny.

Oh, you're good at what? You're a deceiver. That's a weird compliment. I'll tell you why you're a deceiver. Okay.

In my mind, I'm like, oh, well, I can talk about the movie and I'll get that out of here. Right? Oh, but, no, no, no. That's not what that shepherd did. You know, you're very good at going, let's go this way and that way.

So all of a sudden, I'm talking about something that has nothing to do with the movie, you know? But I'm not gonna play your games anymore, nor should you. You're a deceiver, and I'm not gonna do this. All right. No.

Dax Shepard
We're here to talk about sweet dreams. Yeah. Yeah. Sweet dream in theaters, 412 24 and on VOD 416. Yeah, I was about to read that cast.

We got kinda interrupted, but Johnny Knoxville's in it. How'd you get on with PJ? Cause I have a funny story. When I interviewed him, I told the story. I just felt like he never liked me.

I would try to be friendly to him many times, and I think maybe he's too cool for me. Dax, I wanna say something. I do the same thing. Okay, good. I have these stories in my head.

Yes, right. That a certain actor or somebody in the business, or even Netflix, like, I do this thing where Netflix hates me. Exactly. It's the institution of it. Right.

Bobby Lee
When in reality, they don't even think about me. And it's like that actor, and then you meet the guy, and they're like, I've always loved you. And I spent three years of my life thinking about them every day. Something happened yesterday morning. So last week, there's a comic.

I don't want to say his name. I love him now. But we grew up together in comedy, and we were always kind of rivals in a weird way. And then when my podcast started blowing up a little bit, I started talking a little shit. And so, anyway, I hadn't seen this guy in 15 years, and he was at the comedy store, talented guy, and I saw him, and I went, hey.

And I hugged him, and I reached my hand out to his wife, and I go, hi. So and so. Brenda. Brenda. Hey, Brenda, right?

Hi, Brenda. Your first time? Everything. The name Brenda. And she didn't shake my hand.

Dax Shepard
Oh, well, good for her. So, in my head, I'm like, she's. Protective of her man. She's protective of her man. Yeah.

Bobby Lee
And in my head, I'm like. Because I'm trying to really be in sobriety, and I want to make amends and make it right. Right. I put my hand back, I hugged him, and I walked away, and I went into shame. Yes, of course.

So then I wrote him a message the next day, and I go, over the years, I might have said some things I regret. I'm so sorry. You know, if you want to meet with her for coffee, I'm willing to do that. And so he goes, I'm fine, but thanks. Right.

Then yesterday morning, I get a DM from his wife, Brenda. Brenda. She goes, I didn't do that. She goes, I didn't see. No.

She goes, I didn't even see your hand. I shouldn't even have made amends. Yeah, right, right. I made amends for no reason. I feel so much better.

You made it for you. And I do that to myself. Where I perceive something, then I believe it to be completely true. Fear, false evidence appearing real. Yes.

And you and I share the same thing. I believe coming in here, I immediately assume, like, we've had limited interactions, but I feel like I've always really enjoyed anytime I've seen you. Yeah. Did you have good feelings about me, or did you have any story about me? Be honest, Bobby.

So, yeah, I thought maybe that you didn't like me. What? Yeah. In my head, out of nothing. No.

I'll tell you why. Tell me why. Cause I should have had you on earlier. No, no. That's not what it is.

Monica Padman
That's what I just thought. Okay, that, to me, I don't think. Why are you even bringing this up? It's weird, but let's be. This is great.

Bobby Lee
It is great. I love it. All right. Getting me on earlier. I know the level of guests you get.

You don't have a lot of comics. You get a lot of huge actors. I get it, man. Me and Andrew, we've always talked very highly, like, watch. He's killing it.

So one time. I know it's in my head by now, talking to you. I can't wait to hear it for. The last hour and a half. So I was on a show called Animal practice.

It was a sitcom, and you were on a show that was in the same area. I know this because I think you. Knew the Russo brothers at Universal or at Warner Brothers. He was at Paramount. Well, this is what's great, is I've never worked on Paramount, but go ahead.

But you were a guest star or something, because community was there. Did you ever guest star in community? I didn't. You were there, though. Okay, great.

Dax Shepard
I was on the lot. I know it was. I have shot commercials and stuff there. So, anyway, you were behind the modders. I don't know why you were there.

Bobby Lee
But you were standing right behind me. Right. All right. And I remember turning, I go, oh, my God, that's Dax Shepherd. I know you.

It wasn't Joel McHale. Right, right. It was Dax shepherd. Okay, can I ask really quick how many years ago this was? It must have been 15 years ago.

Dax Shepard
Oh, wow. Okay. Very long way back, I've held this resentment for some time. Oh, my God, I love this. Right?

Me too. And I remember turning around going, hey, dax. And you didn't respond to me like you were looking at the monitors, I guess, watching the scene or something. And in my head, I was like, oh, he doesn't like me. Oh, man, I carried that with me this whole time.

Listen to me. I'm so sorry that that happened. But hold on. I don't have any memory of that. I have other memories of genuinely adoring you.

And we have mutual friends. And then Rob always. I'm not even clear how you and Rob knows career. Wow. There would be no rob without me, right?

Bobby Lee
You know this to be true, fuckface. No. He is a big, big Bobby Lee fan. Talks about you all the time. And I don't tell you how I made him.

Dax Shepard
Yes. Will you admit to it? Yeah. Okay. I was doing a live stand up show, and I had Chris Watowski.

Bobby Lee
I did his show. You were doing his show? I did his show. I did Chris Watowski show. And then you came to one of my shows.

Can I take photographs of my life? And Rosenbaum was on my show. So you became friends with Rosie. And the next thing I know, you're producing podcasts the next day, you know, oh, your dad's got. Right?

And now Rachel Bealson and all these fucking digs, right? And I'm like, I fucking do that. Anyway that he came to. I'm sorry. I didn't do it, Rob.

I already gave you compliments, and you have a skillset and I admire. You know what the greatest thing about? Cause I know that that's the beginning of he and Rosenbaum that he approached. Rosenbaum was like, you should have a website, and you should have this. Here's a self starter in a way that I respect so much, which is like, I'm humble.

Dax Shepard
Let me build this website for you. Let me take pictures. You don't have anyone taking fun pictures of you offering a service, asking for nothing. It leads to a podcast with Rosenbaum. I go to Rosenbaum's podcast.

We both know Rosenbaum. He can't make cereal in the morning. I'm like, how's this thing run so well? Oh, it's got to be that guy. And then I say to Rosie, could I use him as well?

And now we're here. His version of getting to here. I love. That's my version. I give a lot of credit to you.

Bobby Lee
It's so crazy. It's crazy that you say that, because obviously Dax had no idea. You're now a deceiver. And now you're doing shadow play, and I don't like it. Okay.

Dax Shepard
Most recently, Bobby, back to your video being gray. I watch all these clips on Theo's clips. I see you on all these video podcasts, and 100% of the time, I'm like, bobby Lee is. Is so fucking funny and so open and so pleasant and can play like no one can play. You just bounce into all these different little ecosystems, and every time you deliver, and I just literally look at you with great affinity.

Monica Padman
Can you hear it, what I just said? Okay, Monica, I'm gonna say this, and I'm gonna make a statement right now and let it forever be true. I know from now on, for the rest of my life, that you guys are all friends, not even acquaintances anymore. We shoot shit for real. Cause you and I never had deep conversations.

Dax Shepard
We didn't get to do this ever. We never did this. But I feel like from now on in life, every time I see Dax anywhere, there's gonna be pure love, always. But I did not feel that yesterday. Okay?

Oh, man. Isn't it. Wouldn't you a little bit assume, like, I love everyone that's sober? You gotta be a real piece of shit for me to not feel a bond with someone, like, so soon as I knew, too, that we were the same. I'm always rooting for you, and I feel an immediate kinship with you.

Bobby Lee
Okay, okay. I'm sorry. I've just told you that. I already told you that. Okay, okay.

Monica Padman
I had it wrong, but it's so. Funny that it's always the case, whatever going on in this fucking sick mind of mine. There are narratives and storylines that aren't even true that I believe, and it's insane. We must have gotten it right at some point where we got so confident in these stories we tell, right? I mean, there had to be some moment of proof that we were right.

Bobby Lee
Are they true? Because my narrative was. Netflix doesn't like me because I would audition for a show and not get it. It's like. That's laughing life, right?

Monica Padman
Exactly. But then I make the storyline that they hate me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's putting yourself at the center of things that you're not necessarily at the center of.

Bobby Lee
Right. One of the favorite things I've learned in AA, which is self pity, is the same level of self obsession as self aggrandizement. The universe doesn't care about you one way or another. It doesn't care enough about you to harm you and conspire against you, and you're not hot shit, and it's rewarding you. You're the same piece of shit of everyone else, and no one's even fucking thinking about you.

It's such an interesting thing. We all do it, though. You do it, too, Monica. Oh, yeah, everyone does it. There's different levels of it.

Yeah. I think it's a human thing. But I've gotten trouble by believing in these narratives, because then all of a sudden, I start wars with people that aren't even real. Yeah, yeah. You have to police yourself on that.

I've done that on podcasts where I've started wars with people, and then they've come onto my podcast, goes, whoa, dude. I've always like, what the fuck is going on here? I'll go, oh, yeah, not good. Sweet dreams. Sweet dreams.

Dax Shepard
Sweet dreams. So, it's a softball movie. It's basically a movie about a bunch of guys in a halfway house, and they also happen to play on a softball team. Knoxville plays the lead. He plays a guy named Morris, and he's hit a bottom.

Bobby Lee
He goes to this halfway house. He goes through all the things that people do. Early days in sobriety, vomiting, not wanting to be there, rebelling, all that kind of stuff. Feeling unique. Right.

And obviously methio and dumbfounded. And all these people live with him at this halfway house. And he gets it. He has sort of an awakening. He gets a sponsor, starts doing it.

And then we also happen to play softball. It's this cute small movie that I think has a lot of heart. I'm excited. Me, too. I'm really excited to see the aa stuff.

Dax Shepard
What was your softball skill before you started? Cause I had to play softball in a movie, and I couldn't sleep the night before. What do you mean? Cause I had never played it in my whole life. The first time I'm ever gonna be playing baseball is gonna be on camera.

Bobby Lee
No one's thinking in their head, like, oh, we need an athlete. Let's get Bobby in the movie, right? Should we get a body double? In fact, I did a movie with Robin called kick it in old school, and I danced so bad that they had to get me a body double. But you were in a breakdancing team in high school.

Dax Shepard
What happened? Oh, okay. I was in jabbawockies. Yeah. So I did this breakdancing movie, and they got a filipino girl.

Monica Padman
Oh, boy. So, if you watch that movie, all the body shots are a woman doing it anyway. So I'm not good at it. But I have to be honest. I think that Johnny's great at softball.

Bobby Lee
He's athletic. Yes, big time. I think he was super into baseball as a kid as well. Yeah. Gate.

A guy named Brian Van Holt was great. I think that I was mid level, but there were some guys that were terrible. Did you love being around Jay Moore? Because he was one of my favorites when I first moved to LA. I wanted to say something about him.

Dax Shepard
Right now, but it would be starting another war. No, it's a great thing. Okay, good. We've seen people transform in this business especially. He's done such a 180 turnaround in his life.

Bobby Lee
Whenever I see him, I want to cry. He's such a great example of somebody that's really doing the deal and really turned his life around. And I really love that guy so fucking much. I like him for such a specific reason. A, I met him a couple times when I had just moved to LA, and he happened to be new neighbors with another dude, and he was so friendly, so that was great.

Dax Shepard
But I saw one of his bits. I've had this moment a few times with performers. He tells this story about being a little kid and sucking his neighbor's dick. His neighbor sucking his dick? Yeah, yeah.

And then 35 years later, getting pulled over by him, and he was a state trooper, and they're on the side of the road, and he was, like, acting really tough with him to give him a ticket. And he's like, you know, I just want to go, like, hey, get real. We sucked each other's dicks when we were ten years old. Same thing happened to me. Same thing?

Bobby Lee
Yes. What do you mean? I sucked somebody's dick. I don't like the flavor. Sure.

It's not my thing. Right. I'll be honest. It wasn't for you. Also wasn't shamed about it.

Like, I've never had a problem with sexuality in that way. Maybe because I was molested. I don't know. So this guy, I sucked his dick in high school. Then I didn't see him for, like, 20 years.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. And then I was close to his family, so his mom had died, and I went to the funeral and hadn't seen him since. I sucked his dick. Right. So now he's standing next to his mom's casket.

He's probably the last person he wants to see his mom's funeral. I know. In fact, in my mind, I was like, I don't think I should do the condolence thing and go around and look at the casket. Right. I could just sit down, right?

Bobby Lee
Like an idiot, I stayed. And then I see him standing, he's distraught, obviously. I'm walking by the casket. I look at. I don't know what to do.

So I kind of give him a hug. But he comes, he gets nervous. He shoulder shoves my. It was good to see you, dude. He does this.

Dax Shepard
She's super macho. Yeah. And I went back and I went, oh, yeah, I should have just sat down, like. What do you say? What do you say?

Bobby Lee
Yeah. There's nothing to say. But have you ever had an experience like that where you suck that guy. Off or not when you're younger? Not by choice.

Okay, let's move on. Yeah, yeah. What I love about you telling the story, and what I loved about Jay Moore telling the story. Cause he was at peak J Mourness. That's such a fucking brave thing to do.

Dax Shepard
So many people have done that and no one's ever gonna say anything. Anytime a dude, they were a little. What do they call em? Not lamp posts, but like markers. I went, oh, wow.

Someone can be honest and vulnerable and real and still walk tall and not give a fuck. It's like oxygen. I wanna say something. I've never said this before. Okay, this is so long, by the way.

Bobby Lee
But I had to add another point. You're very good what you do. It's very good what you do. I'm engaged still. Alright, so I wanna say that, you know how sometimes kids become racist because their parents are racist or they've literally.

Dax Shepard
Never met that other race. Literally that. But I just remember my dad as a young kid, he said, if you're gay, I kill you. I kill everybody. But ever since I was a little kid, I just thought, what's the problem with.

Bobby Lee
You know what I mean? So I just don't know how I learned that. Yeah, totally. I mean, how did I learn? I was okay with all races, I was okay with sexuality, and no one taught me that.

So are you born with those values? No. What happened? I think this is the great gift of having a really traumatic life, is you see other people suffering and you know what it feels like, and you have built in empathy for a lot of people, and it's the gift of all gifts. It's worth the trauma.

I hate authority. Like, when I see Russia invading Ukraine, I just get so overly angry because of my upbringing. Yeah, yeah. I'm such an underdog. And so I think you.

You're right. I'm just there for the underdog. You're looking at a gay dude and you're like, oof, man, I know the roughness of that I don't know that version of it, but I know that. Guy has an uphill battle like I. Do any movie or documentary as a kid about the civil rights movement.

All right. I was always on the side of the whites. No. I was always on the side. Of the black human experience in America.

I used to get so angry back when, like, black people would be at a diner, count trying to eat and people spitting on them, or, like, a little girl going to school, integrated school for the first time and have protests. Go, adult men. I was like, I want to kill everybody I know. Anyway, so watch sweet dreams. I'm going to go.

That's what I have to say is I'm going to go check me out on bad friends and Tiger burly. I have two podcasts. Thank you for having me. Oh, such a delight. I knew you would be great.

Dax Shepard
You know, you have a show, and there are days where you're lucky and someone's coming in, like, Jake Johnson's coming in, and I go, oh, I just have to sit down, and we're gonna have a great episode. And I had that very feeling about you. Thank you. I adore you, everybody. Go see sweet dreams.

Or if you missed that window, please see it at home and listen to Tiger Belly and, of course, bad friends. Bobby Lee. Be well. Stay tuned for the fact check. It's where the party's at.

Monica. Hi. Hi. If you're just joining us and you're just waking up, do you think anyone starts at the fact check and then goes back into the main episode? I doubt it.

Monica Padman
I doubt it. It wouldn't make sense. It wouldn't. It'd be illogical. But, you know, people are illogical and they're exciting and they're novel and they're.

Unique and they're crazy. They're crazy. Now, I have heard people say they skipped the episode entirely and just went straight to the fact check. I've read that in the comments. But then they don't go back.

Dax Shepard
Right, right. I see. Yeah. Or maybe that's happened, but they didn't report it to me. Report it if that happens, guys.

Oh, you know what? I was relieved to see in the comments what other people thought that about connections. We're not alone, of course. I mean, of course our sweet armchairs would think that. Yeah, but I thought you were maybe on the fence about that when we talked about it last, that perhaps they thought so narcissistic.

Yes. They thought that that whole addition of the puzzle was. Was a winky. That's cool. Winky.

Wink. This just made me think of something because I said winky, and it made me think of Twinkies. Okay. And I'm writing about my deep, hostile envy. When I was in elementary school, I had a pack of lunch, as you know, and I wanted hot lunch so bad.

But then beyond that, I had a brown, like a soviet era brown paper sack. Yeah. And then inside was either two cheese sandwiches or two bologna sandwiches. And then a little serving, half serving of store brand plain potato chips, lays Kroger brain. Oh, I see.

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Big K chips or whatever the fuck. Yeah. And I would watch kids open up their metal lunchbox. Sure.

And I'd watch them removing, like, the kraft cheese and crackers, prepackaged a pair of Twinkies, a fruit roll up, pop tarts, dunkaroos, tons of fun stuff, and then desserts. And then the drink was a high c or a, you know, whatever. The other option was capri sun. Yeah. Okay, so be honest.

What was your lunch situation? Yeah. What did you have in there? My lunch was also brought, but because we've talked about this, I think it's regional. It's school dependent.

You didn't want to buy? I did not want to buy, and I wanted the paper bag. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Because, like, a lunchbox is too kitty.

Monica Padman
It's too over the top childish. Early on, I remember one time I had a thermos with, like, spaghettios in it or something. Ooh, warm spaghettios. Yeah. But I think I was embarrassed, okay, by that.

So eventually it was a. Thanks for reminding me of that. I forgot of that hack the kids had in thermoses. Like chef Boyardee products. Exactly.

Dax Shepard
Or Franco American. Franco American was spaghettios was the name of the brand. Yeah. Oh, wow. You had two options in the can.

There was chef Boyardee, which was ravioli. Yeah. But specifically spaghetti. Spaghettios, I believe, is Franco American. Franco America, Rob?

Campbell's. Campbell's. Campbell's spaghettios is on the can. There is meatballs with Franco American. Yeah, that shit was good.

Beef ravioli. Yeah, they made a great beef. Wear a small. They had a spaghetti o's. Maybe this was generation acquired.

Maybe. Yeah, maybe because it does spaghettio's. Copyright originals Campbell's soup company. Okay. But Franco American, their raviolis were much smaller, so the chef Boyardee's were big.

And then they came out with chef Boyardee Minis. Mini. By the time I came around, it was all about the minis. Yeah, but they were biting on Franco American. Yeah, there's cans of that.

Yeah. With spaghettios. Those were good, man. Their meat, their whatever. That meat really was delicious.

Monica Padman
It was good. I ate a lot of. Of it. Yeah, a lot of cant ravioli. Get home from school, hit, get the can opener out.

Dax Shepard
Boom. In the microwave, 1 minute. I kind of want it, like, what? What? We're naughty.

Monica Padman
I know. Um, okay, so what did you have? I had all that free sun and. And I had all the junk. He did all the pre packaged fun stuff.

Dax Shepard
And would you horse tray? Because so. So first would just be my deep envy of what they had. And then I couldn't participate in what became the classroom bazaar of trading the different things. So some kid would have the craft, you know, the craft cheese and crackers.

He'd have his eye on someone's pop tart, and they'd start horse training, and everyone would have. They had a lot to barter with. And I was like, does anyone want a bologna sandwich or some store brand chips? Did you present it like that? No.

No. And I'm about to write about this specific part. That's what I'm writing next. Cause he's like, what a disgusting bear. I was like, I would virtually beg for food.

I would, like, be seeing who's not finishing what. And I would panhandle. I would go from desk to dust, like, are you gonna eat? I mean, what a loser. I would ask, like, are you gonna eat that second pop tart?

Bobby Lee
Yeah. And I would just scavenge like a fucking raccoon. Okay, so remember, you had food. It just wasn't fun food. It was not fun at all.

Monica Padman
And people had fun for me. And I was a big boy. I wanted more. I'd eat those two sandwiches and those chips, and then I was like, what else we got? Who's gonna throw what away?

Dax Shepard
But it also. So Aaron was. I wasn't privy to it. Cause we went to different elementary schools. But what we bonded over at one point is we had both worked at big boys.

Now, Elias brothers big boy. Not Bob's and not Dolly's. No, not Dolly, our new mascot. And we were both bus boys there when we were. I was twelve, and I think he did it when he was 14.

And it was a progression at first. I would be clearing the table, and if someone had ordered a slim jim, which is cut neatly in half, and they had eaten one half but hadn't touched the other half, I would eat that half. When I got into the kitchen, I would clear the table. Sure. And then I would eat the remaining half.

Monica Padman
Disgusting. Yeah. Yeah. So that, that's where it started. In it, like, all things.

Dax Shepard
Slippery slope. By the end of my time there, I would take a bite directly out of a big white with bite marks. And I felt such shame and embarrassment about that. And then one day, Aaron and I just started chatting about our experience at big boy, and I'm like, did you ever eat the food off of the plates? And he's like, yeah.

And then he had had the same trajectory, and by the end, you're eating, like, half eaten fries. You just don't give a fuck. You get over that. And you just want that yummy food, and it's free. And now I want you to be really honest, because my reaction of saying ew is, like, really mean.

Monica Padman
If. If you weren't getting enough food. But were you getting enough food? It was just gross and boring and stupid food. No, what it was is they gave us a.

Dax Shepard
They gave us a half price menu as an employee there. Not even free. Right. And we were making. Both of us.

This was minimum wage when you were a minor, and you had that card signed, 235 an hour. Yeah, that's right. So I would go in there. I'd work for 4 hours. Yeah.

And I would make a. And then that's 120. So $9.20. Right. And a big boy combination at that time was probably, like, $8.

I could have got it for four. That would have been half the day's wages, I guess. I mean, more. I mean, more, like at home, like. Yes.

No, I was. My mother fed me. My mother fed you? Yeah, I just fed you. She fed me.

I was envious of variety. Exactly. In name brand stuff. Aaron, was he getting fed. There's a lot of food.

It was just government food. Okay. But he and I used to murder that government food. We would, like, go through a block of that cheese in no time. And they could get Denty more.

A lot. We used to eat a lot of Denty Moore beef stew at his house. It's a canned beef stew. It's delicious. Not chef pirati or Franco.

Monica Padman
Franco American. Whatever you said. Yeah, Franklin elementary. It's free stuff. We would do that at the movie theater.

Dax Shepard
Or, like, someone leave popcorn, and you just. Yeah, pour the top layer off, and you got a bag of popcorn. But did you find that you slowly eroded your boundaries? Originally, it was, you find the free refill thing, then dump it out, get the free refill, and then it. It was just fill it up.

There it is. I'm not going to the concession line. Yes, yes, yes. It's really funny. I almost wish that all that was documented, like someone's progress in working with food.

Monica Padman
Yeah. Yeah. I actually think I'd feel the opposite. Like the more you work there, the more disgusted you are by food there. You would think that.

Dax Shepard
But I also worked at CPK, and I never tired of that food. I wanted it more the day I quit than I did when I started. That's surprising. Yeah, well, it's an addictive food. It's.

Monica Padman
Well, sure, allegedly. What was your prized possession in your lunch? What was the thing that you liked? Did you guys do any trading? I didn't let you answer.

I don't remember. I'm sure we did, but I don't remember. It doesn't stick out as a big memory. I imagine you would have been trying to get cookies. Yeah, but you're a cookie boy.

I'm a cookie monster. Respect my label, please. Few armchairs ask for shirts that say cookie boy. But I had cookies. Like, it wasn't.

I didn't have to trade, I think. I don't know how it happened. I don't think. I went to the grocery store. My mom, she just got.

And to be. She got it all because it's easy. It's so much easier to just grab a whole bunch of shit and throw it in a bag. Pre packaged, pre made. She didn't have time to make the stuff, the bologna sandwiches.

Although she did eventually, you know, she started making my lunch again. She stopped for a long time. That was up to me. And then she picked it back up, I think, because she didn't think I was eating well. Okay.

Dax Shepard
Or she missed it. Or she missed it. Maybe she's a working woman. She had the guilt. She might have been in a phase, feeling bad.

This is recently she's making you lunch again? No, she. Well, she definitely makes you lunch in your home. I've been on many Zoom calls with you and watch her enter with a big sandwich. I'll probably have a sandwich tomorrow.

Big plate of sandwiches when I get home. Yeah. I'm taking a red eye tonight. I'm not looking forward to the flight at all. Yeah, red eyes are never fun.

Really. Like fast forward. Unless it's a proper ten hour flight, then it's a dream because you missed the whole thing. Yes. This is.

No, this is like a four hour flight, right? Yeah. Four. Four. Yeah, four.

Four and change. Four and a half. Four and a quarter. Yeah. And also, would you.

I imagine, too, what would happen is you would be at school, you'd see a student who had something fun, and you'd come home and you'd tell mom, oh, I want snackwells, maybe. Must have been. I don't have any memories of food scarcity scare, I guess. Yeah, I guess it's food scarcity. I mean, I remember.

Monica Padman
Obviously I did. Cause I stole that girl's cookies, so that was a thing. But, I mean, I had goldfish. I love goldfish. Sometimes I had.

I remember. I remember having cheetos because I remember playing the game where, like, you try not to get any orange on your fingers while you eat them. Good luck. Impossible. Yeah.

Impossible game. Unless. Not to bring it back to Aaron. But he, in his truck kept gloves. Yes, you did.

Dax Shepard
Cheeto habit. Yeah, but. Yeah, no, I have. But Dunkaroos were huge. And remind me what Dunkaroos are.

Monica Padman
Dunkaroos was kind of like, you know, the cheese spread and the crackers, but instead it was small, tiny cookies and then frosting. Oh, and you dipped the tiny cookies and the frosting, and you ate it. But I did choke on it and, like, bad. Oh. In class.

No, no. Just. Thank God. Oh, my gosh. If that had happened in school where someone had to, like, heimlich me.

Yeah, that's the end. I would have. You would never have met me. I would have died. Yeah.

Dax Shepard
I do think it's a weird form of torture, though, to watch kids have so much fun food around you every single day. Sure it is. At lunch. Sure it is. Yeah.

I'm not saying I'm a victim and don't feel bad for me, but I will say it's a bit torturous to tear open that sack and watch everyone unload their grocery cart. Basically. Yeah. And they look so happy, too. They're laughing.

Oh, did you get the horse tray? I think that's, like, you. That's where I failed. You projected that everyone was talking about their food and their. How much fun they were having.

Oh, I've never tried these. Oh, my God. This is new. Mom.

Monica Padman
Do you think people were like, I cannot stop talking about this. Oh, I must have been. I mean, they must have talked about, like, that's. He's a beggar. Like, he's like, having a dog in the classroom.

Dax Shepard
I mean, it's humiliating. When I think about how I used to approach people's desks. If I could get some. Yes. A daily.

It was agonizing. I was wondering, there's too much. They have to then finish it all. There's way too much fun stuff. They like throwing the towel at some point, and I'm like, guys, there's no way you're getting.

Don't throw that away. Yeah, I haven't had any of those crackers yet. This is a dunk. A reason.

Monica Padman
Oh, hello. I'm linkerboard Belle.

This is gorgeous. There are some mistakes. No, there are no mistakes. It's beautiful. Well, don't we call mistakes Wabi sabi.

Yeah. Part of what makes. But this is gorgeous. Is it a vase? Yeah.

Wow. It's a small commode. Oh, my gosh. If she had an emergency in her car, would you be offended if she pootied? I would never.

I would never.

But I would prefer if you didn't tell me. Okay. That's good to know. What you don't know can't hurt you. Oh, we got another visitor who's here now.

This is just beautiful. Oh, my God. This is like present hour.

Oh, my goodness. Hair like a mermaid or a tail like a mermaid. Mermaid. Pull the microphone close to you because I think people should hear it. You got a new character.

Dax Shepard
You're. This is Delta's. These are both so beautiful. It's like it's a mermaid. And then the mermaid hair is attached to the mermaid, so.

Monica Padman
And then that's the mermaid tail. And then the mermaid hair is also attached. It's mermaid tail. You need a tissue already. You've been here for 5 seconds here.

Delta's been very sick. Very, very sick. Her biggest illness, Lincoln, has been. Lincoln, how have you avoided getting this plague that she. I have not licked her tongue yet.

Dax Shepard
Yet. But certainly you've been in close enough proximity, and I've smooched her a bunch of times and. Yeah, I'm cool, though I don't have any symptoms. I did push ups today at Pe. Oh, yeah?

The kind on your toes or your knees. How many did you do? Me? Yeah, that's. Hey, Delta, we're trying to have a conversation over here.

Monica Padman
This is her. The middle of the night. Like, I can hear. I tried to sleep with her because I sleep with our mom on the weekends, and I tried to sleep with her, and she just snotted, and I. It sounded like she had lost it, like there was no air in her body because it was just.

Were you scared? Kind of, yeah. We've all were numerous times in the last this week, have been worried while sleeping next to Delta that she has ceased existing, stopped breathing. Yeah. Yeah, I have that bad, scary breathing in the night.

Sad, sad, scary. And then coupled with indiscriminate bouts of crying while you're asleep, too. Talk a little more into the microphone. Do you have a memory of crying during the night in these days? I never remember crying.

Crying in the night. Oh, I need to have fun. I never remember crying in the night, but I do cry in the night a lot. And then sometimes I go into the hallway, and I used to go into the hallway to sit down in the middle of the night, and I was asleep and I was sleepwalking, and then I just cry. I have my third tissue.

Dax Shepard
Yes. Do you want the box? No. She can't be trusted with the box. That was a good one.

Yeah. Waterfall. Waterfall. Such a raw noise. Yes, very.

That's a great description. It's raw. Yeah, that's true. Raw with talent. I said I have a raw nose, but.

Monica Padman
Okay. Oh, you said you had a raw nose. It's okay. Okay. We'll pretend you.

Dax Shepard
We'll use AI to prevent it. Right? Yeah, definitely. Can I publicly commend you, Lincoln, for having been so patient the whole week that Delta's been sick? Because she's gotten a lot of our attention.

Monica Padman
She's gotten zero attention this past week. Yeah. And she's also been incredibly helpful to you. She's been bringing you things. She gave me a bath one morning.

Oh, yeah? That's so sweet. And she let me. She let me use all of her mochis. Oh, that's awesome.

Little squishies. Yeah. I love their mochi. You guys are very nice to each other. I really like it when it counts.

It was very. Because there was two conflicting thoughts. Like, be kind to her and. And maybe murder her. Yes, and murder her.

Or, like, just get her high on, I don't know, Mucinex. So she passes out. So then you guys are, like, with me. Yeah. That's honest and true.

That's. Most people struggle with these. Yeah. But then I just realized that the only way to get through this and to look back and have no regrets is to be kind to her. So I was just, like, her little assistant, and I asked, like, her ta if she could have, like, a homework packet.

And I gave it to her, and I was like, I know you may not like this. And she grabbed a pencil and just started. Yeah. I turned off the tv and started. Right.

Oh, you missed school. Yeah, I missed school. I want to go. When you went into her classroom, Lincoln, did you present yourself as Delta's executive assistant here to pick up her work? No, but I walked in, and then half of the class are girls, and all of them just started charging at, like, running and screaming.

Delta, is she okay? I have a card for her today, Delta got a friendship bracelet and a card.

Yes. And I'm like, don't worry, guys. She's feeling better. Yeah, I got a card, and it was. It was.

It was. It was really nice. And I had a little red friendship bracelet, and it said BFF. And then, like, I met them having fights at school. And then it was one of my friends telling me that there.

There has been no fights between that. And they never leave me. Oh, that's good. I think that you were getting very popular. You were very popular.

I've got a lot of friends like Jesse. You're blessed. Jesse's my best friend. And half the time I was talking to her today, she was like, is Delta okay? Oh, Jesus.

Dax Shepard
You know, you're even. It's affecting my friend group. Oh, my God. It's trickling in. Yeah.

So, as you admitted to Delta, you got a lot of attention this last couple years. So let me give Lincoln a little attention right now and just say I want her to share with people. Excuse me. Okay.

Bobby Lee
Okay. So Lincoln and I took a walk the other day. Oh, and Lincoln, well, we walked by out. She said, what's your favorite house in this neighborhood? And I said, well, I kind of like this one because it has a name, and I know you've seen it, too, Monica.

Dax Shepard
There's a house called Casa de contemporary. Oh, okay. Or Del Conto. And so then Lincoln said, we need to name our house that we're building in Nashville. In Nashville.

Monica Padman
Oh. So we were thinking for a while, and then we decided that it has to be something that's ridiculous. Hillbilly, like, but then also something, like, prestigious and, like, fancy. Ooh, tough toll order. Yes, exactly.

Dad suggested. I think you should hit him with the full name. Okay. So dad suggested this one thing, and we laughed about it. And I was like, what's the toilet brand name that we use?

Dax Shepard
Right. So we have automatic water spraying toilet seats, and they're called brondals. They're called brondels. So then we decided the full name would be brown trout lodge because brown trout means poop. Brown trout lodge, located in Braundell Springs island in the USA.

The brown trout lodge in Brundle Springs, USA. But then it was like, we named the house Brown Trout Lodge. Right, sure. But then we had to name this barn. We were like, it has to kind of represent, like, the gym, because all the gym equipment's gonna be in there.

So you proposed Dan Gaines beef barn at Brondell Springs. And for, like, events, Dan Gaines beef bar buffet. Oh, yeah. Like, everything. And then we also made our song.

Monica Padman
Brondell Springs has good things. Brondell Springs gives you wings. Ooh, Brondel Springs. So it's more of a chant, but we know we're also going to come up with a country song. Yes.

Like a campfire kind of, maybe Bluebird Cafe. Exactly.

Dax Shepard
Okay. I have Lincoln currently deployed making artwork for some imagery to accompany the name and the location. So she's in the middle of that. Yes. Designing the merge for Rob Drought Lodge.

Monica Padman
Yes. Let's go to Bravo Springs, USA. Okay. I love you two so much, but we also. We have to work.

Dax Shepard
Please hand me those 62 tissues. You. I love you, sweet. Bye. Love you.

Monica Padman
Thank you so much for my special armchair expert.

Bye, bug. I love it so much. Thanks, bunny. Wow. Just showered in presents.

So many presents. Beautiful, beautiful vase. And a little, like, jewelry. Jewelry. It's so cute.

Dax Shepard
You'll be able to hang things on that tail or something. Yeah. Put your dunkaroos in there. I could, I could. Did you hear Delta's character?

It's more than just, she's sick. So first her voice went. Yeah. But then it developed into a whole character. Yeah.

Monica Padman
She's doing a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.

Dax Shepard
So every conversation I've had with her is like, I'm on in an SNL sketch for the last week. She's so cute.

Monica Padman
Yeah. Oh, man, she was really sick. Yeah, it got a little concerning there. Someone thought she had mono for a minute. One of the doctors.

No, no, no. Nine years old is too tiny for mono. Yeah, but it wasn't. Glad it wasn't that. Yeah.

Okay. We were discussing, so I was about to ask a thought, like, a question about food. We were still talking about talking about food. Oh, begging. Yeah.

Is it rude or normal? Like, if you're at a dinner party and someone doesn't eat all the food and isn't going to take it home. Yeah. Should it be expected that you would get it? Me?

Anyone? Yeah, I definitely think it's cool to go. Like, when someone's clearly done and you go, are you gonna have any more of that steak? Yeah. And they'll go, oh, no, take it.

Dax Shepard
I think your knee jerk would be to go like, oh, no. Do you want. Yeah, of course. And of course it should get eaten if someone still wants to eat. Yeah, I think so, too.

Bobby Lee
Yeah. That should be standard operating procedure. But I guess, like, it can cross a line. Yeah. To me, sometimes it can cross a line.

Dax Shepard
Well, I know exactly what it could be. Is that if your pace is slow. And someone's, like, monitoring you, waiting for you to throw in the towel. But you're like, I'm just eating slow stuff, and I don't. Stop paying attention to this.

Yes. Yeah. Okay. It's like eating next to jackals. And that's what I was.

I was like a hyena circle, you know, when the lions are eating, and I was just there as a hyena. Let me have some skin. Right? Give me that bone. No one's eating.

Monica Padman
It just makes the vibe a little weird. Absolutely. Yeah. Again, it's all regrettable. No, you were just a kid.

Dax Shepard
Yeah, but I'm pretty embarrassed, by the way I just prowled around the classroom.

There's some cheese left in the bottom of that. Oh, God. Did you use your finger to scoop up. Oh, my God. Yeah, but they have.

Monica Padman
There is a red stick, but it. Doesn'T get the corners. Yeah. And I would even fold out the bottom. Yeah.

Dax Shepard
And then suck on it. Yeah. God. Gotta get every last morsel. It was great training for when I would be at the end of a cocaine bag.

And you turn that inside out and rub it all around your mouth and stuff. Yeah. Wow. Okay, well, that's a ding ding ding because this is for Bobby Lee. Oh, I loved this episode.

Monica Padman
Me too. I did, too. But addiction comes up, so. Okay, you said that Asians are good at math because of rice production. Like, that's where that stereotype comes from.

Malcolm Gladwell. Yeah. He's got a chapter on it, is. Yeah. And he says it's not true for the reasons you might think.

Like genetic predisposition to math. It's because they come from a cultural heritage of rice farming, which created a culture of diligence. So then he has a whole thing about the importance of diligence in math. Says when it comes to math, the best students are the ones willing to spend a lot of time figuring out how to solve a problem. Mm hmm.

Okay, so there's that. And. And then the next fact is also Malcolm Gladwell, which is crazy. You know what's funny is I just had breakfast with Malcolm Gladwell. Oh, my gosh.

Dax Shepard
Yeah. And we were talking about. I was telling him about the memory expert we had on, and that there's actually a period, and I had forgotten the name of it, and I don't remember it now, but the period where you log and lock in the most amount of memories. And it said in that book, between 20 and 30, which is why those are your favorite movies and those are your favorite. I thought it was like, 13.

Okay, let's say it was 14 and 30, but it went up to 30. Okay. And I was telling him I was on my tear of his book in my late twenties, and they're almost like the last bit of books. I locked in all of the information. That's interesting.

And I was asking him if he has those books. And he goes, oh, yeah, not only do I have those books, I regularly go back and read them. They're the only ones I'm interested in going back and kind of brushing up on it. Yeah, that makes sense. And I was like, yeah, dude, I can, like, tell you every paragraph of the korean airline fucking chapter.

Monica Padman
Yeah. They're so cemented in my brain. That's funny. Unlike anything else. The reminiscence bump from ten to 30.

Dax Shepard
Ten to 30. Okay, okay. But so the second fact you said airplane crashes are. It's never just one thing that goes wrong. I feel a little anxious doing this today as I'm about to get on an airplane.

Did you kind of comfort you? Cause, like, several things have to go wrong. Well, according to outliers, a typical plane crash involves seven consecutive human errors. Seven. I mean, that's a lot of human errors.

Monica Padman
Yeah. I mean, there've been a lot of knock on wood airplane stuff recently, though. That's true. There was that. What?

Dax Shepard
Door. There was the door, but then there was also some software that would trick the plane. And there's like a whole bunch of. Well, there's a whole Boeing trial. Exactly.

Right. And then the guy killed himself. Yeah. Which has given rise to conspiracy theories, of course. Yeah.

Monica Padman
Okay. Ayahuasca. I was just looking up a little bit about what it does, what it does to the brain, and it obliterates. What if it just said one word? It says.

It just has activations in the occipital, temporal, and frontal areas of the brain. I mean, there's not that much. I can't imagine it's been studied all that thoroughly. Yeah. It says, activates a complicated network of vision and memory which heightens the internal reality of the participants.

Guess how it's spelled. Ayahuasca. A y. Am I already off? No.

Dax Shepard
A y I o x I c a. Okay, you were right. You started off right. Yeah. Ayahua.

Oh, I thought there was an x in there. I thought there was a I. I thought it started with an I. Okay. Yeah, I awaska.

Yeah, yeah, but I think it's. I. Like, I. I. Yeah, clearly is.

Yes, obviously. We know that now. I just said that now. We know. Okay, you said you think that men watch YouTube more, right?

Monica Padman
54.4%. So not that much more. Hardly a majority. Yeah. That must have changed.

Dax Shepard
I think that's come down. Makes sense, though, because there's so much makeup videos and all these things that women watch on YouTube. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah. I think that more and more content is drawing them there as well.

Monica Padman
Yeah, definitely. But it would have been easy when back when it was more like a 60 or 70% market share that men had. I would have then made the argument in the same way we would make about them sexually, that men are so visual. Yeah, but no, but no. Yeah.

Can't make that. Yeah, yeah. And women watch porn apparently more than men. Crazy. All right.

That. Those. Them's the facts. Them's was the fact. Yes.

Dax Shepard
Any updates from you? No, not really. I'm going. As I said, I'm going on a flight. I'm going home for Mother's Day.

That's very nice of you. Yeah. And is your mom excited about that? Yes. Yes.

Does she feel excited? Loved. I hope so. I'm also. Alison Roman's doing a live show.

Oh, she is? She has a podcast and she's doing a live show, and she asked me to be our guest, so I'm gonna do that. Fun. You're doing a live show in Atlanta? Yeah.

Bobby Lee
Well. Oh, this already? You have already done it. We should have said something on the previous fact check. Oh, well, the Franco American Playhouse.

Monica Padman
Yes. And they're gonna serve spaghetti. Oh. As they should. I bet.

Dax Shepard
I guarantee you there's. In the annals of comedy, there was a comedy troupe named the Spaghettios. Unfortunately, I'm sure. I guarantee you. I'm sure of that.

Monica Padman
I'm debating whether I should drive to the airport. Sure. If you're just gone for two days. The only problem that I can foresee. I've never done it.

Dax Shepard
Well, here's the thing. I do it often, but I only do it in Kristen's car because there's electric car only parking, and there's always spots. But I have been there where I was like, fuck, man, if we hadn't driven the electric car, I don't know that there'd be a parking lot. Really? So that's a little scarier.

But I wonder if there's a way. Huh? A website that tracks how many. Fuck. The parking lots are so automated, and they tell you, like, whether there's spots.

I wonder if you could find out ahead of time if there's. I have to love vacancy, and then I can just leave. Yes. Which would be really nice. So I'll figure that out.

So that's a debate. So that's TVD. That's for Thursday. Take your Prius and you can park in that. No, you can't.

He's got a tape, the charger to the side of it. You charge two days, then you just plug it in to satisfy them. And I'm not even doing any real charges charged from my house. And then you have to put your credit card in. Oh, yeah.

I mean, this is where people who call bullshit on some of this stuff, they're kind of. They have a point. Like, there's. I mean, I guess it incentivizes people to drive electric cars. Yeah.

Bobby Lee
Yeah. But I don't think anyone's. But I don't know, man. I take that back. But I'm sure people are charging their cars probably.

Monica Padman
I mean, that'd be a great place to do it if you go on a flight for a day. Yeah. I just don't know. Who doesn't charge their car at night? Like, I don't know many people who are, like, panically looking for a charging station.

Dax Shepard
Not many people I know in LA are driving more than 100 miles. You know, the ranges on these things are, like 200 miles, and it's like 3 hours to charge it. So if you're leaving it for two days, it's charged right away. Yes. That's another interesting part.

You charge your car every night, right? Yeah. Yeah. Every couple nights, but at home. Right.

And you're never looking for a charging opportunity. Only if we're driving to, like, big bear Joshua tree. Right. And you'll go one of those fast chargers things. And are those fun?

Do you get, like, I've heard there's, like, some of. Of them have cappuccino and stuff. Ooh, I don't know about that. I don't do it enough for that cappuccino. My God.

Yeah. Sounds luxe. I like that. Me too. Okey doke.

Monica Padman
Well, I hope everyone enjoyed that episode. Cause I thought it was really nice. I loved it. I hope everyone listens to it. Me too.

Me too. It had all the things. He's so fucking funny. Oh, my God, he is. You know, when you were relistening to it, were you just dying?

He's very, very funny. I love them. Is there an update about jogging? Only because it's been a hot button topic in the comments, and I just wonder if you had any more. Actually, yes.

Dax Shepard
Oh, tell me. I have been running at a different time. Great.

Monica Padman
To try to avoid the situation and also I have a friend who knows someone in that group. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And have they talked to them? I don't know.

I just said yesterday, I was like, this is what's going on. And she said, oh, I know. I know someone who goes there. Yeah. There's like a patch of grass.

And they all meet because they invited her. Cause she has a dog. Oh, okay. And she was like, well, it's far away from me, so. But, yeah, we met an incredible dog today.

We did. It was a really good dog. I liked it. Oh, my God. I never met a dog like that.

Yeah, it was really nice. It was so weird. She was nice. She was a mixed. She looked like a wild animal, but she was so happy.

Yeah, well, she looked like a husky. I think she looked like a fox. She was tiny. Yeah. Very fluffy.

But, yeah. So the update is I've adjusted. Okay. Do you feel defeated by that adjustment? I'm not happy about it now.

I'm not. I also feel like it's funny to me that there's. That it's, as you say, a hot button issue. I don't look at the comments and I'm not going to, especially if there's mean stuff about my opinion. Well, is disagreement mean?

Well, I don't know. I'm not on there, I assume. Yes, because the Internet's mean. Oh, okay. That's probably a logical assumption.

Dax Shepard
No, there's disagreement. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, I stand by that. I feel that people should be aware of other people out in the world, but that's fine.

Monica Padman
I can adjust.

Dax Shepard
All right. I love you. Have a blast in Atlanta and have fun with your mom and tell her that I love her and give her a huggy and a kissy. I will. Thank Ashok for the sim.

It continues to be great. I will. All right. Pass it along to do. Okay.

Monica Padman
Bye. Love you. Love.

Bobby Lee
Love.

Bobby Lee

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