a talk with charli xcx [video]

Emma Chamberlain
Today I am feeling a little bit more energized than usual because it's not often that I'm in the presence of a pop star. Okay? So I'm feeling very excited and I feel like I'm talking to not just any pop star, a pop star who is so fiercely unique and individual that they're almost in a category of their own. Charlie XCX, are you kidding me? You obviously know Charlie XCX, but she has done so much in her career, it's unbelievable.

So let me fill in some of the gaps for you, okay? Charlie XCX, whose birth name is Charlotte Acheson, is a singer songwriter, documentary maker, radio host, podcaster, and co owner and founder of the management company project Gold. I feel like she's involved in the music world more than people know about because she writes for other artists while releasing her own music. She runs her own label, she directs music videos, co manages, developing artists, and she's collaborated with so many incredible, talented people as well, such as Blondie, Selena Gomez, Gwen Stefani, Camila Cabello, Shawn Mendes, Benny Blanco, David Guetta. The list goes on.

Charlie is truly a special creative in the sense that she has created a world around herself that is so fun and indulgent to be a part of. So without further ado, let me bring in the iconic Charlie XCx. This episode is brought to you by Instagram. So something that happened to me recently was I posted some art and some home decor on my story and a lot of my friends reached out and were like, where is the store? Where did you buy these things?

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When you go out? I'll do an espresso martini sometimes. Oh, so you like our coffee? I know. I love coffee.

Stop. We're soulmates. I know. Like, I'm not just, like, saying this because it's you and you have a coffee brand, but, like, sometimes maybe you get this too. Like, at night, I'll be, like, thinking about, like, oh, in the morning, I get to have my coffee.

Oh, I get so excited. And I have to limit myself to one nowadays because I'm. The older I get, the more anxious I get. Yeah, totally. Are you having that?

Charlie XCX
Normally, I'll have two a day, but sometimes it'll be three, but then I am very, like, you know, freaking out. Freaking out. Really? Like, texting and, like, I'm just being crazy. So now I try, and I was on two.

Now I'm trying to have one. This is my. I've had two today, too. This is also my second. We're gonna be freaking out.

Emma Chamberlain
This is an Americano as well. Is that an Americano or cold brew? It's supposed. I don't want to sound like a diva. I think it's an Americano.

Charlie XCX
I think it's an iced Americano. But I did say cold brew. But this tastes like espresso. They lied to you. Yeah, but I'm having.

I love it. I'm enjoying it. I just can tell. I could also be wrong. Well, no, but it tastes so different.

Emma Chamberlain
Cold brew can also be really sour. Like, I. Yeah, it depends on where you go. But sometimes when you go to a really fancy place, it's like, why is this sour. Are we allowed to talk about other coffee brands, or is that sour?

Charlie XCX
No, no. We can talk about anything. Obviously, your favorite coffee brand is your coffee. Yes. Chamberlain coffee.

Emma Chamberlain
Oh, my God. This is my promoting. I love it. I mean, this is water, but. No, because.

Charlie XCX
No. Can I tell you again, I'm not just saying this because I'm here. I just think it's really smart. Thank you. Because, like, there aren't really many people who have coffee brands.

Emma Chamberlain
Well, I feel like it's. But it's such a, like, duh. Well, the thing is, everyone's drinking coffee. Yes. And also, I feel like not a lot of people are, like, a nerd about it.

Charlie XCX
No. Which is why I had to do it, because I was like, I am a nerd about it. But I'm also still. I'm not perfect at it. Like, you know, you can probably.

Emma Chamberlain
It's like, I'm still a home barista at the end of the day. Like, I'm not this fancy. Not weighing out the beans and shit. Are you somebody who weighs out the beans? Okay, so my fiance is.

Charlie XCX
So have you met? I don't think you've met. No. He is really into, like, he's into coffee. He got me, like, the scales for Christmas.

Emma Chamberlain
That is unbelievable. He's, like, really into it. Yeah, he's, like, really into it. And he, likes, makes great coffee. And sometimes I'll be like, can you just, like, tell me the exact ratios?

Charlie XCX
And he'll be like, it's not really about that. It's just about, like, feeling, which is annoying. I'm like, shut up. Well, that's. Yeah, there's a number that you're turning the grinder to and an amount that you're doing on the scale.

Emma Chamberlain
Yeah. Can you just give me information, please? Yeah. And then. So he did.

Charlie XCX
And, you know, and now I have a kettle with a thin spout. Like, I'm not that good at it. He's very good at it. And I just try my best. Yeah, but I know that you're supposed to have scales.

Emma Chamberlain
Oh, no. You fully call you out. But I'm surprised. It shocks me that you have a coffee brand and you don't have scales. No, I.

No, I have a scale. Do I use it? Neither? Never. Cause I wake up in the morning.

I'm the type that, like, my morning routine is like, get up, and I'm out of bed immediately. Like, there's not a thought, and I'm downstairs. But at that hour, like, you know, when you first wake up, you're not nearly sharp enough. You're not doing math and doing, for. Fuck'S sake, a scale?

No. And so it's like, I am like scrappy with it, but I feel like I have it down so good that it's like I don't need it. However. Well, this is what my boyfriend's saying. It's feeling healing.

So maybe I'm like, beyond needing the scale, however, I feel like I need it. What are you like? So your boyfriend's thing is the coffee. Like, that's his, like, that's the hobby? Yeah.

Do you have one? Like, what's your thing? No, me either. I think it's watching movies. Really?

Charlie XCX
I watch movies a lot. Yeah. Like right now, because I'm kind of, like working a lot. I'm not watching a film a night, but like there's been phases where I will watch a film a night and on the weekends I'll watch like three films on Saturday and maybe two on Sunday. Whoa.

Emma Chamberlain
Yeah, well, I mean, I think it makes a lot of sense because I feel like when you're in one creative space, it just kind of makes you interested in every creative space in a way. Like, I feel like it's film, it's fashion. Like, I think you must, I mean, you're, I mean, you work in fashion. Yeah. You work in coffee, work in fashion.

Yeah. It's like, I feel like fashion is. Your, it's kind of a hobby. That's my passion. Is your passion and a hobby and it's work kind of.

Charlie XCX
But I feel the same about music. I mean, it's like, I wouldn't make music unless I like, you know I love doing it. Yes, right? Yes. I just put a, I'm sorry, I just looked straight into the camera.

You can do, I'm not wearing a bra. And I'm like, stunk. Me either. Are you kidding me? I'm just, I'm like, do I need to?

Emma Chamberlain
You look amazing. But now it's also, you're wearing all. Black, so you can do whatever you want, that's why. All black? No, you look chic and hot.

Charlie XCX
I'm like, I'm just wondering if my tits look saggy when I like that. Actually, they're really good. Okay, great. Now I'm like being like crazy with how. No, you guys all need to, like, if you're not watching the video version of this, watch the video.

Emma Chamberlain
They look amazing. Now I'm holding them. Yeah, well, of course. Whatever. To hold them is to be like, I feel like there's something about being in fashion.

Like you're in fashion as well. And there's something about being in fashion that makes you, like, weirdly, you're used to. You're used to, like. I can't explain it. There's, like, a comfortability that you get with, like, being nude or, like, not wearing a bra and, like, having your boob out and shit.

Like. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And it just makes you comfortable. Well, I think it's fittings as well, isn't it?

Oh, everyone's all over you. Everyone's all over you. And I think we both have gay male stylists. Yes, yes. That we collaborate with.

Yes. And so then you're not really, like. Well, you're not nothing you're talking about anymore. Yeah. You're holding them.

Charlie XCX
They're, like, pushing them in a top. They're taping them up. This shit's happening. But it's kind of nice because, I don't know, it feels like. Feels communal.

Yeah. Communal and beautiful about it. Yeah. And it really becomes about, like, the clothes and creating really great things and. Being a canvas in a way.

Emma Chamberlain
But with movies. Well, you're acting now. Yeah. I need to know about this. Well, I've been in one film that has not yet come out.

Yes. Yes. The film is a film called faces of Death. And I was a fan of the original movie. And this movie was kind of like a seventies gore film that kind of.

Charlie XCX
I don't want to speak out of turn here, but I'm pretty certain in ways that, like, kind of began to kind of coin the genre of gore. It's basically like this film of found footage of murders. Yeah. And it's kind of narrated over the top by this fictional doctor. Yeah.

And this film, it's like, in the seventies, you would go to whatever blockbuster was then. Yeah. And rent this movie. And it was like, supposedly cursed, like, star. It was like a cursed film.

Emma Chamberlain
Yeah. You know, and it was like, you put it in and be like, anyway, I wasn't alive then when that was happening. But this is what I've been told. I was just a fan of the film from later. So I saw that this film was being remade by a director called Daniel Goldhaber, who made cam and how to blow up a pipeline.

Charlie XCX
And I was like, damn. Like, how are you remaking this? So we met and we spoke, and then he was like, you should be in it. And I was like, whoa, that's crazy. And so I went to, it's a small role.

And, you know, I play a co worker of Barbie Ferrara, who's the lead in the film. But it was just, I really got the bug from that. Did you see yourself doing it beforehand, or were you, like, okay with being a fan? Well, of that particular film? No, like, in general, being, like, a movie fanatic.

You know, it's like I. And I'm sure you've had this with your career. I feel like there are always people who are trying to, like, push and pull you into different ways. Like, I'm sure that somebody who's said to you, like, hey, Emma, you should act. Hey, Emma, have you ever thought of making an album?

Like, you know, there's always people who are trying to be, like, expanding the brand or whatever. And I had definitely had, like, a fair few people say, like, hey, Charlie, you should consider acting for a long time. And I had always sort of been like, you know what? I just don't feel that that is a skill that you can just, like, suddenly jump into. Like, people train and train and train, and you have to learn your craft, and you have to understand, you know, like, in depth so much about the way films are written.

Screenwriting, like script analysis, like, also the technique of acting. And, you know, of course there's feeling in it, too. But, like, I just, at that point in time was like, that feels crazy, you know? Yes. So I kind of, like, wanted to, like, learn and research and really only insert myself into that world, or try and insert myself into that world when I felt, like, at least, like, a tiny bit prepared and not just, like, showing up, being like.

And also, well, there's more pressure on. You to do well because you're a public figure in another area. And same for me, it's like, people are not going to willingly accept you into another sort of, sure, you gotta have respect. You gotta have respect for people who have made that their life, you know? Yes, and I'm very aware of that.

And that's also why I'm really interested in, like, you know, working with filmmakers who I love. And that doesn't necessarily have to be, like, a massive role. I'm happy to, like, show up and do a scene and be, like, learning and things like that. And that's very much what this was. I really.

This is so funny. I didn't think that we'd be talking about this at all, but I love it. I'm. Well, I think it's fun because I feel like little side projects like that actually end up making you, like, they can inspire you creatively elsewhere. Absolutely.

Emma Chamberlain
I don't know when you're only doing one thing can be so. It can just, like. It can fatigue you. You can get so burnt out. Like, you've been doing this since you were 16.

And I get that because I also started at 16, and it's such a marathon, and it's nice to sort of go off and do something else. Like, you know, like, doing coffee is like a breath of fresh air from the other thing because it's like, you know, doing all these. I think the more things that you can try and even be new at, it can actually, like, invigorate and excite you. Totally, in a way. Yeah.

Charlie XCX
I mean, I feel, yeah, like you said, I've been doing this since I was 16, and so that is now 15 years. And I would like to flex my creative muscles in other areas, or at least, like, begin to learn about other areas in a very kind of, like, studious way. And, yeah, be really inspired, and, like, I don't envision myself doing making music forever. Maybe I will in some capacity, but I just feel like there are other creative areas that I really want to explore, and I feel like you must feel I completely align with that. I'm curious, though, about your process of learning.

Emma Chamberlain
I read somewhere that when you were in the beginning of music, when you were starting to make music, you were, like, traditional coaching or teaching. I don't fuck with it, and I have felt that way about everything that I've tried thus far, whether it's, like, publicly or even privately, like, doing, like, you know, things like throwing shit at the wall and seeing if it sticks in other areas of entertainment, I guess when it comes to learning things, like, how. How do you prefer to teach yourself? It's so interesting because with music, it's like, I never studied music at school. I never took, like, a class.

Whatever. Yeah, I learned piano, but I couldn't read music, so I would memorize the pieces. Like, my piano teacher would literally spend a year teaching me a piece, and I would be like. And then, like, scrape through the exam and do it all again. Yeah.

Charlie XCX
But, you know, if you put a sheet of music in front of me now, I'd be like, no, can't do it. You know? I guess it's like trial and error. I mean, being in the industry from such a young age taught me so much. You know, I'd go to songwriting sessions, and I would, like, learn from people.

I think that is how I learn best. It's like, I see what other people are doing. I see this set of rules that they are perhaps navigating within. I take some of them, I disregard others, and then I kind of build my own set of rules, I suppose. And I think for me, it's like I have to constantly ask why.

I have to ask questions all the time. I have to be like, well, why does it have to be that way? Yeah, because then you can kind of, like, challenge that person or that tradition with the kind of alt version of that, you know, like, why do you have to, I don't know, shoot a music video like this? Why do you have to roll out an album campaign like this? Why do you have to write a song in this structure?

Like, I just found, like, challenging with questions. Asking questions always provided me with, like, new and kind of more interesting answers. Yes. Well, I think, too, in a way, when you're. I think that there's something to be said for almost knowing too much when you begin a creative endeavor.

Emma Chamberlain
Like, I. It's far harder, not that it's not possible, but it's far harder to, like, disrupt when you know too much, because you end up just following the rules. And so, like, I think there's something special about having, you know, enough knowledge so that, you know, you can create something. Like, you need the basic, like, you need knives in the kitchen. You need to know how to cut things, but, like, you don't need to know exactly how to make a recipe.

It's like, that's how you can, I guess, go in and disrupt and also bring a new sort of feeling to something which I think is far more exciting. Well, I think there's a real, like, there's a really interesting thing about, like, naivety in creation. There's when you're kind of going in, like you said, you need knives in the kitchen. I love that as a phrase. Thank you.

Charlie XCX
But, yeah, it's like, there is also this kind of exciting thing about not knowing what's going on that can produce really interesting and unique results. Yes. Yeah. This episode is brought to you by better help. 2024 has been quite a year, and we're only halfway through.

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And that's. You can really, really go in. That's like, oh, big question. So. Yeah, well, it's.

Charlie XCX
It's interesting because, like, the benefit of starting young was I got so much experience. I was thrown into a world, like, with adults, and I was learning so much, so fast from them. And that was really cool. And it was really cool to kind of get to know myself through that process, I suppose. But the negative side of it is, like, when you were 16, you were cool.

Emma Chamberlain
No. Yes, Emma. Thank you. Yes, you were cool. No, no, no.

I look back and I cringe. No, I mean, I'm sure everybody does, but, yes. And I feel this when I look at so many artists and creative people. It's like, billy, for example, how old was she when she kind of like, came out? Like, what, 1414?

Charlie XCX
I don't know. But she was so cool. Yeah, when I was 14. Because I was making music when I was 14. Yes.

It was like. I was so lame. I was like, no, but I was just like. I think that, for me, is the negative thing. I feel like as time has moved on, the culture of cool and aesthetic references and being, well, ready actually is kind of happening.

Like younger and younger and younger. I feel like most, like twelve year olds are cool now, you know what I'm saying? Or have an awareness of, like, my life is on the Internet. I need to present in a certain way and I need to have certain interests and I need to understand certain things and know what's kind of like even like socially, politically, like culturally, like, correct incorrect, what's aesthetically pleasing versus not. Like, when I was twelve, you didn't really like.

I mean, maybe I was just, like super unaware and, like, not very smart or like, cool. I don't know. But, like, those things weren't crossing my mind, really. I was just like, on my space. It was so new.

Emma Chamberlain
No, it was so new. You were like, right before there was, like, Instagram as a tween. Okay. Because I got Instagram as a tween and immediately it was like, oh, fuck, I need to get my shit together. And it was like.

And I wasn't in the public eye yet. Like, you were already starting your career at 14. Really? You know what I mean? 14.

Like, everyone is a mess at 14. You're a mess. And like, yeah, it's impossible. It also was what was trending. It changes literally every year.

So, like, you look back now and you're cringing, but it's like, that was what was. I feel like that's what was cool at the time. But it must be a nightmare to an extent because it's like, it's permanently a part of you. Like, somebody who's not a public figure doesn't have to carry with them, you know, their 16 year old identity. Even their, you know, like, they can shed it as they grow up.

And it's like, you know, when you go from high school to college, you can shed your high school identity and just be a brand new person in college. And there's something really refreshing about that freedom. And I think it's challenging identity wise to, like, have to hold on to everything when it comes to making music too, because people still listen to music that you made when you were a completely different person. I can imagine. How do you, like, maintain a current identity when you are kind of constantly being haunted of Charlie's past?

You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, again, I feel like this must be similar with you. It's like, I know that I have some really hardcore fans who have been with me through every kind of iteration of my career and understand my growth. And then I have some fans who are like, oh, I love Charlie because she made boom clap.

Charlie XCX
And like, that's, you know, that's like their favorite song and that's probably like my peak in their mind and what they associate me with maybe like you have fans who are like, oh, I love Emma when she was making these videos when she was 16, and I don't really get her now. Yes, yes, or whatever. Absolutely. You know, and I feel like every person kind of has that. And, you know, there's different levels of fandom as well.

There are the fans who are going to, like, ride or die for you, and, you know, if you decide to, like, do something completely, totally different than what you're working on right now, they'll still, like, stick with you and follow with you because they love you and all of the kind of facets of your personality, whereas there are other fans who just, and this is no bad thing, but they just, like, this kind of gravitate to one particular thing that you do. Totally. And so I kind of. It's cool. Like, I'm at peace with it because I like that people like different aspects of my work.

Yes. And, you know, you kind of have to celebrate that. And I think I'm always pretty, like, I'll always, like, try and. Well, sometimes I. I'm not sure if this is a good thing.

I kind of always try and, like, play to my audience. Like, if I'm doing a more mainstream festival, I'll be like, I'll throw boom clap in, but if I'm not playing my headline show, like, I'm not going to play boom clap. Yeah. Although I haven't. That's normal.

Emma Chamberlain
Yeah. But also I do think, well, that's actually, I did have that question written down was, like, maybe less about the setlist specifically, but more like, when you're creating something new, who are you making it for? Because I've. And why are you making it for me? I make it for me, definitely.

Charlie XCX
It's good. Yeah. And especially with this record, it's been very instinctual. I've just been, like, not really thinking about the consequence or the outside world or even when I was making it, how it was gonna be performed or anything like that. Interesting.

Yeah, I think I always think about how it's gonna be presented visually because that goes very hand in hand with my music making process. Yep. But, yeah. Really just made music that I would want to hear in a club, basically. Yeah.

Emma Chamberlain
When it comes to the visual, like, the relationship. The visual relationship, what's sort of the, like, what's the process of that? Like, when do you start to imagine, like, what the visual identity is of a project? Does that just kind of come almost like, sort of like a universe sense, sort of like vision or, like, is it something that, like, what comes first. Or do you have, like, an idea?

Sometimes you're like, maybe you can see in your brain, like, the Pinterest board of it, and then you're like, oh, this is how I'm gonna. This is sort of how I wanna make the music. What comes first? It's both. And it's very chicken egg situation.

Charlie XCX
It's like, with this record, I wrote a couple of songs, some which have ended up on the record, others which got discarded. But I think after writing. After having, like, three or four songs that were like, okay, these are gonna be on the record. I was like, oh, the title is brat, and the world is very brutalist. And it's like this girl who, like, goes to a rave and she's wearing a tank top, and you can kind of see her nipples through it.

She's, like, sweaty. Yeah, but she's hot. She's, like, dancing with her friends. And, you know, I was just piecing this all together. And then that allowed me to go on and write more songs under this kind of guise of, like, I know what this girl wants.

Emma Chamberlain
Yes. You know, and that girl is me. But, like, you know, I was kind of. Does that make sense? I completely know what you mean.

Charlie XCX
Yeah, so that. So it's kind of both. I keep doing this thing where I keep randomly just, like, looking into that camera. It's like the office. It's just suddenly I'm just like.

I'm like, so it's like that? No, but it's kind of honestly, lean into it. Cause it's kind of fun. And, like, I. Do people even watch the video version?

Emma Chamberlain
I don't know. They must see. I've seen it. It exists. I watched, like, I saw some tiktoks of you and Owen.

Yes. That must have been fun. Oh, my God, it was so fun. Do you have guests a lot? You know, it's been hard for me because I think I'm so used to.

I love conversations, but it's also hard. For me to bring. Fucking God. Thank God. But I'm so used to doing it alone.

So having, like, a conversation alone built the podcast on that. And so I didn't ever have guests on, and I was like, it would be nice. Like, it would be nice to bring people on and sort of diversify the type of conversation that's happening. However, I think the challenge for me has been. It's nice when you know the person.

Charlie XCX
Yeah, yeah. And I don't really, to be honest, like, I don't know that many people. Like, I'm not super you're not really, like, I'm not about. No, I'm not. But it's crazy.

Emma Chamberlain
Like, I'm so. I don't know why that is. Which I feel like. I feel like you are out and. About more than you.

Yeah. Like, no offense. Not at all. This is the life I live. No, no, no.

Charlie XCX
I remember the first time we met was at. I don't know if I should say it. Cause it feels like sherry. You should say it now it's more of a thing. Now it's more of a thing.

We met for. We met. We were going for dinner. We had dinner. We had chicken nuggets.

Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Wait, why do we feel like we met before that I don't know. You know, I saw Doobie show, and I was like. I was like, that's Emma.

She doesn't know who I am. And we kind of looked. We both kind of did the thing. Of, like, yeah, we'll talk later. Like, I am so bad about.

I get nervous in my head. This is my thing. Because I've been told so many times that I look different all the time. I always do this thing when I meet someone where I'm like, even if I've met them before, I'll be like, hey, it's Charlie. And they're like, yeah, bitch, like, I know, but, like, I've been told by so many people that I often look very different from time to time.

From, like, one time to another time. It might be a hair thing. Oh, see, I have that because I always go blonde to brunette, blonde to brunette, back and forth. I'm like, yeah, but it's Emma. See, but I feel that way about you.

Okay, well, that's nice to know. But I also always feel like I don't introduce myself to people a lot because I'm like, they don't care. Yeah, that's why I didn't introduce. I was like, I'm not gonna go over and be, like, ever, Charlie. And also, I wouldn't do it like that.

Emma Chamberlain
But it's easier on the receiving end. I hate doing it. Yeah, no, same. It's nerve wracking. Because what if I was, like, a bitch and you came over and you were like, hey, hey, Charlie, I'm Emma.

Charlie XCX
And I was like, cool. No, but that happens. Go fuck yourself. That I swear to. It doesn't happen a lot, but that shit will happen.

It's happened occasionally. And I would never, ever do that to anyone. You would never. But now, knowing you, I'm like, you would also never do that to anyone. Never.

But, like, you never know. You fully die. You never know. Because someone's like, could be just like, presenting is really cool, and then you meet them and they're like, hey, why don't you fuck off? No, it's.

Emma Chamberlain
Well, that's the thing. I am, like, weird about just being like, this sort of, like, quiet little fly on the wall in the corner, and I. I'm not. I don't know, I'm not, like, a socialite. Like, I'm not built that way, whereas I feel like.

And being a socialite, that, like, word, that term, I don't have a better one, but it's like, that's a skill. I feel like we are very cut from the same cloth in the way that we interact with people and also the way that we go out. Like, I. Like, I go out more than you, I do think, but I think when I'm out, I behave the same way as you. Totally.

Charlie XCX
I'm just kind of like, yes, we. Were in Paris, and it was so fun. So fun. But I felt we had a similar vibe where it's like, I mean, a lot of your identity is. Public identity is around this sort of.

Like, girl who goes out, fan girl. Who goes out, but in a fucking cool way. That's like, it's not going out for anyone else. It's going out for you. Yeah.

Emma Chamberlain
Like, that's your spirit, which is. I feel like something that is so. It's a good message because I feel like that's when going out is a positive, a net positive thing. Were you more of a. A party girl back in the day and it sort of, like, fizzled now, or is it.

I don't know. How has it evolved over the years? It's. Honestly, it's the same, babe. Like, I love that, though.

That's so good. I, you know, I definitely, you know, I'm 31 now, so I definitely have to pick and choose my moments a little bit more, of course. Like, I like to have some drinks, and when I was, like, you know, 19, I could go for it and never feel anything. And now I'm like, I got to be a little more, like, you know, selective. And for me, it's like, I always want to go out if I'm feeling, like, up for it.

Charlie XCX
And if it's going to be fun, I never want to go out just because it's, like, an event that I have to do. I really treat that as work, actually. And I'm sure you're kind of the same. It's like if there's, like, a party that's part of a fashion show, like, most of the time, it's not turning into, like, a really fun time. Sometimes it is.

Emma Chamberlain
It's rare, but it's rare. Often it feels like work and then you leave, and you go and meet up with your friends like we did in Paris in that random restaurant that we ended up taking over, which is so fun. And so I still, I love it. It's like, but for me, if I'm down, there's a good group of people, like, let's go. I was curious about that because I think a lot of people, as they go through their career and as things evolve, they start to become like, you know what?

I can't do these things anymore. I can't wear clothes like this anymore or I can't go out like this anymore. They sort of stop themselves from doing things that are maybe fun or more. Like, well, my problem is I have no control, which is also kind of a bad thing. If I do go to a fashion party that turns fun, for example, I have no sense of, now would be the appropriate time for me to leave.

Charlie XCX
I'm like, if I'm having fun, I'm. Like, yeah, we're here, but someone has to fucking do that. That's me at a corporate ish party. All these people are like, oh, yeah, no, we're going at 1030, and I'll be there till one. No, but that's you, though.

Emma Chamberlain
That just proves, I think, your identity is honest. You know what I mean? It is you. Is that something that you're sort of maintaining? Because you're like, this has been sort of my identity for so long, my brand for so long.

I'm gonna stick to this. And maybe it's not me anymore, but it's still in me in some way. So I'm creating it for almost this, like, maybe this past self or like, this caricature of me, but it sounds like it's not. I'm in. It's fully you.

Charlie XCX
I'm in it. I'm in it actually, ever. I think, like, I really. I think, like, making club music has sort of almost reintroduced me to the idea of, like, being really down, to go out and, like, listen to club music and put myself in those environments because I'm making that music more. So I've kind of been collaborating with people more in that world, and that opens me up to, like, oh, come to this thing.

Or someone's doing a techno party or whatever, and that's really fun. Like, I really. I really like going out, and I really like, you know, my fiance's in a band, so I feel bad saying this, but, like, I really don't. Like, I like watching them, but I don't love going to, like, live shows. I want to watch, like, a dj.

I want to go to a party. Understand that. No offense to bands out there. Like, we love. We love the bands.

We love the bands. We love the live music. Yeah, but you're not, like, bumping. Like, you're not bumping. So you're kind of, like.

You're kind of going like, yes, yes. I want to be like. I could not agree more. Like, I almost either want something that's so slow and so crazy that everyone's sitting down or crazy, crazy, crazy shit. Right?

Yeah. You know what the thing is? That is cool. Yeah. Like, obviously, if you're going to see in a band, if you're going to see a band in an arena, there is an option to sit, which is awesome.

But if you're going to see a band who's maybe playing, like, the shrine. Yeah. Like, a 5000 cap theater or whatever, I just feel like there should be an option for, like, seats. Oh, I could just, like, have a little pop up chair fully. Like, it shouldn't be, like, it shouldn't.

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There's also this, like, third element, which is the industry that we're a part of. But I feel like both of us are like, we understand that this is here and we understand that there's a lot of opinions going on over here. Yeah. And that there's a lot of ways that things are supposed to be done in quotes, you know? But I don't think either of us care.

Like, so what's your relationship like to the, the man, if you will? Like, the industry is like, are you, like, resentful towards it in a way, or are you more like, no, I just don't give a fuck. I'm just going to do what I want. And I appreciate your opinion, or I appreciate the way that you think this should be done. I appreciate you that you think that, you know, that this one's going to be huge and that this one's not going to be huge.

I appreciate you telling me that. I don't care. I'm going to do this anyway. Like, where are you at? Yeah, I definitely.

Charlie XCX
I'm definitely in the latter camp now of, like, less even. Like, oh, I know you think this song is going to be huge and this one isn't. I don't even ask for the opinion. Like, I don't. I'm not interested.

Emma Chamberlain
Like, agreed. I. Yeah, I've had to really work really hard to get into that place where really, like, the people that I work with leave me alone because they trust me and we've built the trust and that's great. And, you know, they know that I'm not interested in the narrative around, like, successful songs versus unsuccessful songs. It's just, it's like, I'm not operating in that space anymore.

Charlie XCX
I'm not operating in, like, a space where I'm analyzing numbers and, like, I'm not. I'm not, if it happens, awesome. That's great. But it's not my primary care. Like, my primary care is that I'm able to make art that I really love and feel inspired by.

And I hope that that sparks a conversation on a large scale. But I don't necessarily need the end goal of that conversation to be, like, the best stats in the world. Like, I'm not competing with those kind of artists. Like, it's not. My music doesn't go hand in hand with, like, that.

My music is music for the nighttime. You can't play it in coffee shops. You can't play it in, like, a chill playlist on Spotify. Like, it's, like, very specific, like, you know? And I'm so at peace with that, and I love that because I love making that music.

So right now, I would say, yeah, the vibe is very much like, I'm just doing my thing. But it's interesting that you mentioned resenting the man because I've the man because I've definitely been there, too. I've definitely been at points in this place of resentment with the space that I found myself in, in my career. And who's to say I won't end up back there, you know, like, of course, definitely. Like a pendulum swinging one step forward, two steps back kind of thing, you know?

So I've definitely been there. I've been being like, why am I not a different artist who can have all that I have but also have all of these other things that I don't have? And, you know, I've definitely been there, but right now, I'm, like, very at peace because I think it's because I'm really, really happy with the music that I've made, you know? Yes. It's so hard when you're not.

Emma Chamberlain
When you're not 100% on what you're creating, and then that voice comes in, you can't handle it. It stings. Whereas when you love what you're making, it's like you have this protective bubble around you and nothing can touch you. And so it doesn't matter what the fuck happens because you're so stoked on what you made that nothing else matters.

But you can't always be there. No, it's a hard place to be, and you have to work to be be there. You know? I really had to work to get myself into a place where I'm like, you know, if this all fails and everything burns to a crisp, that's fine, because I stand by this work, and I've definitely in the past, like, kind of kidded myself into that. And maybe if things haven't gone exactly the way I thought of it has felt like there's been a sting.

Charlie XCX
But with this, it's like, I really believe in this music, and I really believe in kind of the culture around this record. Yeah. And I think it's doing something quite unique and different and progressive, and maybe not everybody will see it that way, and that's okay. But for me, I really feel that if I was watching this album campaign from outside, I would be. My interest would be pipped.

Is that the word? I don't know if it's the word, but I fucking love it. Pipped. My interest. I love pipped.

It's pipped. Right. It doesn't matter because it's so good. And you just trademark that. If it didn't exist before.

Emma Chamberlain
I'm pipped personally, so that's obviously pipped. I'm personally pipped. Yeah. So I don't know. So I feel good about it, basically.

I'm curious about your work life balance. Cause I find, like, in. It's so tough because, well, you're in a relationship, although you were worked. You've worked with him. Correct.

How. What was that like? Like, combining that. It was, like, really sexy to begin with because I think we were both trying to, like, really impress each other. Oh, I love that.

Charlie XCX
You know? Yes. So I think we were both quite nervous, but we were both, like, being sexy. Yes. That's so good.

And then now it's like the opposite. Now I'm like. Because he is the person that I'm obviously, like, most myself with. Of course. I can be really snappy with him.

Emma Chamberlain
Oh, totally. I'll be like, George, why? Like, let's do it. Why haven't you come? The vocal?

Charlie XCX
And he'll be like, can you chill out? Like, you know? Whereas with other producers, I would never be. Oh, you're on your best behavior, you know? Oh, I work with my dad a lot.

Emma Chamberlain
Like, he'll film shit for me or, like, whatever. Yeah. Oh, I'm a fucking nightmare. Even with my stylist, Jared, he'll take photos for me, like, when we do fashion week. Like, he also takes my photos, and I'm like, jared, we need to eat.

We need to eat. I'm hungry. Jared, take that. Like, I could not understand that more. Right.

That's also, like, you. I feel like you get the most honest result. Yeah, you do. In a way. You do.

Charlie XCX
You do. Wait, hold on. I'm, like, obsessed that Jared does all your pics. Oh, all my fashion week photos. Really?

Emma Chamberlain
Yes. Like, especially last fashion week, he was. Like, do you have, like, a. You have, like, a little camera thing? It's like a little piece.

It's not even like this. The camera. The. It's tiny in, like, three settings. I get it.

Charlie XCX
No, it's great. His face. I also am good at, like, color grading, and I, like, get in there and color grade for, like, 4 hours. Does Jared have, like, the angle? Like, he knows.

He's like, am I weight work? Well, I don't trust fucking taking photos. There's nothing. It is. If there's not someone taking a photo who cares about it being flattering.

Emma Chamberlain
It's honestly the worst experience. A nightmare. It ruins my life. I know. Well, it doesn't anymore.

Like, I'm trying to not. You're great. You're great at fashion week, though. Thank you. I mean, also, like, the number of shows you do.

I don't know why I keep doing that. Well, I think because, like. Cause I love it that you love. It and you love putting an outfit together and you do it really well. Thank you.

Charlie XCX
But, like, when I see you at fashion week and if I see Jared and he'll be like, oh, yeah, we're gonna do, like, me, me. We have Louisville. We do. I'm like, what? I'm like, how are you changing in between them?

Are you changing the car? Oh, we've never had a change in the. I've never planned it so that I'd have to change in the car because. I need to go back to the. Hotel and do glam again.

But you sometimes will do, like, five shows a day. No, I've only. The most I've ever done in a day is, I think, three. And I somehow had a gap that, like, allowed me, like, one was super early and then one was like, 08:00 p.m. but I, like, I like to go back and do glam again and have, like, a full new look.

Emma Chamberlain
Cause it's. Honestly, that's like, what's fun about fashion for me. Yeah. Like, it's like when you get to go and do the full. The whole fucking thing.

Look, I know you're the same, but. You know what's funny about me with fashion week? It's like, I can't do the number of shows you do because I want to go to all the parties. Oh, I I can't do it because I'm like, I can't. It's like the hangover.

Charlie XCX
They're like, oh, if you. If you're like, you know, I don't know, like, going to, like, some, like, Loewe dinner and then, like, loewe party and I'm having that time of my life. But then you got to, like, wake up in the morning to go to a show at, like, 10:00 a.m. which means you have to glam at seven. Yes.

Emma Chamberlain
No, I don't go. No, I. I go out. See, this way I can't do all the shows. I did not go to one.

I went to, like, one party for, like, five minutes, and I was like, I'm all good. Well, you know what happens to me, though? Dinners. You just, like, go for dinner with Jared. Love the dinners.

Like, also, sometimes the brands will have dinners. I love going to those. I'll go to dinner with Jared. We do room service always. Also, a lot of times my dad is there, too.

I'm like, so. Well, like, dude. And he's like, fun, chill, cool dad. So, like, he, like, we gossip with my dad about the shit. I don't know, but it's so weird.

I'm the type that, like, I had this, like, single phase. Yeah, that was so hot. And I was like, not really, though. It was hot in the sense that. You were, like, out.

I was so out, you would have not recognized me. But I'm only, and so I have it in me to go all fucking night. I know you do, but I don't doubt it. But the second I have a fucking boyfriend, it's done. I get it.

Charlie XCX
I get it. And I can definitely be like that with George, you know? Do you party with him? Yeah. See, that's.

Emma Chamberlain
It's. If you have somebody who loves to party, too, that's nice. He likes to DJ, so we'll go out and he DJ's and I'm, like, dancing, and maybe I'll unbelievable DJ a little bit, too, you know? So it's fun like that. And I really encourage him to dance.

Charlie XCX
Cause I think he looks really cute when he dances. This is so probably so embarrassing for him. I'm like, he looks like, well, you. Guys, he can dance well. I mean.

Emma Chamberlain
I mean, so he can't dance, but he's cute. He's cute when he dances. I like boys who are just, like, not a afraid to just be like, yeah. Like, even if they suck. I think there's a charm in just, like, going for it.

To be free is to be handsome, right? Oh, my God. Right? Need knives in the kitchen or whatever. To be free is to be handsome.

We're fucking, like, tattoo inspo. So whatever I say, we're killing it. Yeah, well, we're coming up with new. Everybody's gonna get this shit. Yeah.

These are instagram captions. These are merch. Oh, my God. I can't wait for a merch club. I know.

Charlie XCX
It's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be major. It's gonna be so good. So, like, what are you stoked about? Right now, I kind of stoked about.

Like, for the first time feeling like I have a pretty good work life balance. Like, so good. You know, I feel, like, really just happy to be living my life a little bit, like, because I feel like, you know, you can always function and you can always, like, live inside this, like, manic schedule of, like, all these different things that you have to do. But actually, it's really nice to be, like, I'm gonna just, like, pause that, put it on ice, and actually just, like, spend time with my friends or spend time with my family, do this and the other and not have it be about, you know, work. Although sometimes it is.

It's, like, more recently for me, I've been really able to be, like, I'm gonna take this weekend to just, like, watch, like, four movies. Yes. I'm gonna take this weekend to, you know, like, yesterday, we all cooked lunch together and swam. Gorgeous. Gorgeous.

Emma Chamberlain
That's what you. We need more of that. Gorgeous. Terry made a dandelion salad. That's beautiful.

Charlie XCX
Yeah, he came round with a big, like, Nara Smith style wooden bowl. Stop. And he made a dandelion salad. Fuck. I'm kind of like.

Emma Chamberlain
I. Do you know who Nora Smith is? Are you kidding me? Okay, sorry. I can.

Can I just say I'm so obsessed with her. Only, like, I guess I am so late. I am beyond. Yeah, but I'm beyond late. I discovered this woman three days ago.

Charlie XCX
Okay. For me was like a month, and for everybody else, it was like a year. Yeah, we're both late. We're late. Yeah, we're late.

But I discovered her three days ago, and all I'm getting now on my TikTok feed is her. Her and, like, people parodying her and more of her and, like, her husband. And I just. I just can't get enough. Does it make you, like, I watch it now.

Emma Chamberlain
I want to be a mommy. Me too. Like, does it make you want to go, mommy vibe? She's just so gorgeous. I know.

It seems so easy for. It seems so easy for her. How have you woken up so early to make this cereal? No, it's unbelievable. Getting up.

You getting up at 04:00 a.m. i can't. She wakes up, she doesn't sleep, but yet somehow she sleeps a full night. I don't get it. Peaceful and tranquil, but she's also, like, up at 04:00 a.m.

Charlie XCX
making, like, homemade cinnamon crunch. And she's so pregnant, and she's never showed a symptom. She's always pregnant, and I've never seen her complain. My God, is she really loves being pregnant. Yes.

I was like, video. I mean, who knows? Maybe she hates it. I don't know. She's like, I hate it.

Emma Chamberlain
I'm assuming a lot about Nara. I mean, you know what? She's okay with it. Do you dream of being a mommy one day, or are you like, fuck no. Um.

Charlie XCX
I really am so back and forth about it, to be honest. Like, I definitely wasn't somebody who kind of, like, dreamed of that. You know how some people are? Like, I was born to be a mother. Yeah.

Like, I've never really, liked, felt that level of needing that. I also was somebody who, you know, as a little girl, I was never like, I'm gonna get married one day. I never, like, dreamt about my wedding in that way that some girls do or in that way that, you know, like, I think society, like, painted, like, little girls as, like, dreaming about their wedding dress. Like, I like, it didn't cross my mind once, you know? Yeah.

But now I am planning my wedding and being absolutely insane, and it's so fun. I'm having so much fun. I can't imagine. It's so fun. It's so.

But we're also being, like, crazy. We're like, I don't know, whatever. We're like, we're gonna have this, like, really epic, like, cigarette station, and we're gonna have these people, like, walking around with, like, silver trays of cigarettes, and our, like, wedding planner is like, okay. Like, shall we just decide, like, you. Know, like, the food?

And we're like, fuck it. It doesn't matter. Everyone's just gonna smoke. Like, you know, we're just being, like, so dumb. But, yeah, so the babies thing, it's like, I don't.

I don't know. Like, some days I'm like, yes. Yeah, I actually have a song about this on my album, like, where I'm kind of talking about, maybe this is too sterile to say it like this, but the pros and cons of motherhood. And, like, that makes complete sense. You know, I think there's, like, a lot of things that we have to sacrifice.

Emma Chamberlain
Absolutely. And I think, obviously, we live in this world now where everybody's like, no, but, like, you don't have to sacrifice anything because you can, like, be a mom and work and do that and, you know, whatever, but I think there's just so many different, like, things that come up. No, you absolutely have to sacrifice things. Yeah. And I say that you don't is not it's not realistic, but it's also.

Okay to sacrifice things. Totally. It's totally okay. I would worry that there would be some, like, resentment. Absolutely.

Charlie XCX
For me. And I feel like maybe there's a lot of, like, nervousness around, like, talking about the possibility of feeling that way, because that. Does. Does that equate to being a bad mother? I don't think so.

I think it just equates to being, like, a human being. Agreed. But I think, like, there is a lot of kind of fear and, like, nervousness around being able to, like, completely talk, like, totally openly about, you know, how we, as women feel about, like, the potential of, like, having a baby or being a mother, because I think we can be so shamed into, you know, like, I think there's a lot of, like, people want to shame us about, like, maybe, like, if we don't want to be mom. Well, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. Totally.

It's, like. Exactly. So. I haven't really figured it out, to be honest. I don't know.

I don't really know. You don't need to know. Do you know, do you want to have kids? I do. And I came to that conclusion from Nora Smith.

Emma Chamberlain
Shut up. No. Shining light. I literally thank God for her. She showed me everything I needed to know about motherhood.

No, I decided I did only because I think I, like, I accomplished my dream in a way, career wise. I don't need any more, necessarily, career wise. I'm, like, sort of at a place where it's, like, now I just want to just do things that are fulfilling for me, which is an absolute treat and privilege, like, it's a treat to do it that way. And it's like. But I don't necessarily have this goal anymore.

And so I kind of had this identity crisis for a long time. Like, well, what is my goal in my life then? Like, what is it? So. And I thought about it for a long time, and I came to the conclusion that for me, it was having a family of some sort.

So it's like, no matter how it sort of forms and in what way that is, I was like, I think that is going to be the most fulfilling thing I can work towards, because for me, I'm not fulfilled enough by the. By anything. You know what I mean? Like, that I feel like I need where some people don't need that. Some people are fulfilled by sort of pursuing this magnum opus of whatever their ultimate creation is or something.

There's some people who are like, fuck a family. I don't need to do that. I want to create this, like, piece of art that lasts for longer than me. Or, like, you know, some people are just like, I want to help other people. I don't need a family.

I can go find family elsewhere and help you. Like, it's different for everyone what that is for them, but I don't know. For some reason, it was like, I think I have to. Yeah. Like, my gut was like, emma, you have to.

But that also might change. Like, I don't know. I remember when I was 21, I was, like, obsessed with the idea of having a baby, and I was with a guy who was a nightmare. Oh, fuck. And I was like, I'm gonna have a baby with him.

Charlie XCX
And thank God I didn't. Thank fucking God you didn't. But I was so. You were. You were my head.

And then I swung the other way to like, I'm never having a baby. And then I, like, sw. It's like, I've been. I've definitely been like, I want it. I don't want it.

I need it. I don't. You know? So who knows? I've been there too.

Emma Chamberlain
I, like, I was kind of, like, really against it for a long time, and then I was like, I don't know. But I also think too, it does. People don't think about how important who you choose is. Yeah, like, it's weird. But then also, sometimes people do it on their own, and that's really cool.

Well, that's great, because then you're not. Relying on anyone else, you know? And I think everybody's scenario is so different and personal, and I don't think there can ever be, like, a blanket view on, like. No, I know, exactly. Having a child, you know, because it's just everybody's life is different even when you're getting married.

Like, it's like, it's such an intimidating decision. You know what I mean? You're like, holy fuck, who am I marrying right now? Yeah. You know what I mean?

Charlie XCX
Totally. Has that been. I mean, I guess, am I nervous to get married? So what do you think of your husband? Do you like him or.

Emma Chamberlain
No. I don't know. It's like. It's a big part of growing up that's terrifying. My parents are divorced, so I was always like, I actually really am not afraid of divorce, though.

Charlie XCX
Right, right. Cause they got divorced, and I was like, it's all good. Are they friendly? Yeah. Cool.

Emma Chamberlain
Which is, like, a godsend. So, like, for me, it's not as scary. That's interesting. Well, see, for me, marriage isn't really a big deal because my parents didn't get married until I was 16. Whoa.

Charlie XCX
Yeah. Yeah. So marriage has never been this, like, weighted thing in my household. Totally. It's never really been, like, this thing that was ever expected of me or, you know?

And when my parents did get married, I went to the wedding, and there were, like, three other people there, you know? And my mom, like, wore a dress from Zara. It was never. It was not this big. I can't.

You know, so I don't have this. To me, it's just, like, George and I getting married because we don't really want to, and we love each other, but also, we really want to throw, like, a massive party, you know? And, like, I don't doubt. I mean, you know, God, who knows? But, like, I feel very much like this is it.

Emma Chamberlain
Yeah. But marriage, like, it would be it without the marriage element, too. Thousand percent. Yes. So I just don't have this, like, weighted thing on marriage, basically, which maybe is naive of me.

I don't know. I think it's healthy. Oh, my God. Your wedding is gonna be so sick. Are you wearing, like, a traditional dress?

Wait, don't tell me anything. Actually, I honestly haven't got that far. Okay, great. I feel like we're so lucky in that. Like, we're so used to, like, doing fittings before that.

Charlie XCX
Like, I'm not stressed about that. And I know that, like, Chris, my stylist, also isn't because, you know what the fuck's up. Yeah, we'll figure it out. Which is very privileged and spoiled with me, but we will figure it out. No, of course.

Emma Chamberlain
You are an absolute rock star. Thank you for talking to me for so long. So are you. No. This is so fun.

Charlie XCX
This was fun. It was so fun. Same. You need to be my co host. That's your next job.

I would love that. Let's do it. Okay. Send me. Send me coffee.

Emma Chamberlain
Oh, I will be sending you, like, an. You just need to text me that address. I want the cold brew bags. Oh, that's easy for me. Okay, good.

That's what I want really badly. So fucking much good that you're gonna never be able to, like, I want. A lifetime subscription, please. Done. That's done.

Consider it fucking done. Done.

a talk with charli xcx [video]

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