The Cuddle After the Hardcore Sex

This episode of "Weirder Together" explores the intricate connections between personal experiences, prejudices, and societal engagement.

1. Relationships and careers are cyclical, featuring movements toward and away from one's authentic self.
2. Personal experiences, especially negative ones, can deeply influence one’s perceptions and prejudices.
3. Engaging with esoteric and spiritual knowledge can provide insights into personal and professional life.
4. Public engagements and societal issues can influence personal identity and societal perceptions.
5. Reflection on past interactions and their impact on current behaviors and attitudes is crucial for personal growth.

1: Opening Discussion

The hosts discuss their expectations and initial topics about personal growth and relationship dynamics. They introduce the theme of navigating personal and professional life through spirituality. Ben Lee: "You're either moving towards the truth of who you are or away from who you are." Ione Skye: "Within that you can still have moments of tenderness and connection."

2: Personal Prejudices

A discussion about how personal experiences, such as being scammed, can lead to long-lasting prejudices and affect personal interactions. Ione Skye: "After I got ripped off by the street psychic, I developed a prejudice." Ben Lee: "It makes sense that these experiences shape our views."

3: Reflections on Public Engagements

The conversation shifts to their public lives, discussing how interactions at events and their social implications affect their personal identities. Ben Lee: "Engaging with people during events brings out different aspects of our personalities." Ione Skye: "It's fascinating how public interactions can mirror our private perceptions."

1. Reflect on Personal Cycles: Regularly reflect on whether you are moving towards or away from your authentic self.
2. Examine Prejudices: Consider how personal experiences have shaped your prejudices and work on addressing them.
3. Engage with Spirituality: Explore spirituality to gain deeper insights into your personal and professional challenges.
4. Balance Public and Private Life: Find a balance between how public engagements influence your private identity.
5. Embrace Moments of Connection: Even in destructive phases, look for and cherish moments of connection and advancement.

Inspirig adventures with Beth Orton, Subtle Urban Sex Appeal, Colin Greenwood, Gerry Beckley, Public Image Ltd, Tim Hardin and more...

This week's episode ends with "Friday Night" by Beth Orton

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Ione Skye

We're here, we're weedy together. Welcome to Weirder Together podcast. I'm Ben Lee. I'm Ioni sky. We are the creative married couple that you look at and go, those guys, surely they're not gonna make it work.

Ben Lee

Surely. Are they actually making it work? Is it working? Do we want it to work for them? I mean our marriage?

I want it to work for marriage. I absolutely want it to work for us and for them. I thought it was you were talking about career. Careers, you know, I mean, careers sometimes work, sometimes don't. But I think the larger.

I remember seeing a kabbalist rabbi once, right, and he talked about the relationship to spirituality and he was saying, it's patterns within patterns. So you're either moving towards the truth of who you are or away from who you are. But within those cycles, you can be moving towards yourself within a larger cycle of moving away from yourself or moving away from yourself within a larger cycle of moving towards yourself. Oh, even I don't understand. Even you, a resident kabbalist.

Ione Skye

I know. Well, I get all these esoteric spiritual things usually. Okay, well, what I mean is, you can say you can have a larger moment of your life that is basically self destructive. Yeah. Within that you can still have moments of tenderness and connection and advancement, even if in a larger sense, you are self destructing.

Right, I get it. And vice versa. You can be generally moving towards truth and authenticity, and you can have moments of falling back and neglecting yourself or. Do you know what I mean? I think I do.

Ben Lee

Yeah. So anyway, I like it. I got so esoteric off the bat. I was just like, it's Monday morning. Let's do this.

Ione Skye

Monday morning. Monday morning. Rob and Chad. Shout out toowoomba. Rob and Chad, that's a sneaky band that we put out.

Ben Lee

Sneaky boys. On weirdo together. Rob and Chad. So, listen, it's on our label. That's a fun song.

Ione Skye

So, listen, when you used to go to a psychic or something or get a tarot reading, would you ask more about your career or love life or both? Always career. Yeah. Did you always ask about love life? I did, but when I got a little older, I shift towards curiosity about love.

Back to love life. No career. Yeah. And did you ever get deep in. I know we've talked about you getting scammed by a member of the Roma people.

Ben Lee

We will not condescend to street psychic. Oh. So I didn't realize who was telling us, was it Goldie or Kate? That the word to gyp, somebody, like, to rip someone off, is considered derogatory now because it's a gypsy. It comes from gypsy.

I didn't know that at all. I mean, it makes sense. It does make sense. It does make sense. Yeah.

Ione Skye

Well, for a while, I did have a prejudice against, like, so after I got ripped off by the street cycle. Are you canceling yourself right now? I got ripped off by the street psychic, but I ripped myself off because I fell for it. But don't we always. Is anyone?

Unknown Speaker

Does it? I don't know. I don't want to get into too much of a session of victimhood, but I think so many times when I got ripped off in life, it was. I was the biggest culprit. Yeah, usually.

Ione Skye

Unless you're a true victim. Yes. Unless there's, like, actually a psychopath. I went to France, and I saw people chilling on the street. Travelers.

Ben Lee

Okay. You know, as you do and see in Europe. Yes. And I had a visceral, like, reaction to, like, ugh. Oh.

Ione Skye

Because it was the same. I don't know if the woman in New York was from the same country, but I just like. And I was like, wow. Note to self. So you're talking about how prejudices ingrain themselves after sort of trauma or whatever.

Yeah, if you have a personal experience, like, Wagner had a personal experience with. His jewish patriot, and it turned him into a hardcore anti semate. I guess so. But then I. Then I got defensive when somebody near and dear to me called my family travelers, meaning we were from that group of travelers, as if it was a bad thing.

But coming from this person, I felt like they were saying it in a negative, and I got really flustered because I have that thing of, like, I've always been wanting to be a socialite, or I am. You know what I mean? Yeah, but you're not that a traveler's bad. But I was just like, wait, what are you saying about my family? Well, let's take out the traveling aspect, the bohemian aspect.

Travelers are what they call, like, gypsies, right? Some people do. Yeah. I don't use either phrase, too. I know.

I'm confused. Look at those travelers over there. Yeah, but your family. The bohemian streak runs deep. I think to live in denial of that is to be.

Ben Lee

You're not playing your strengths. I know. I guess it runs one generation back because, I mean, my grandfather was not bohemian, but he was, like, thought outside the box of his cultural upbringing. Yeah. I mean, from everything I've heard about Grandpa Benny, he was a freethinker, pioneer of radical thought.

Ione Skye

Yeah. Writing letters into the newspaper. Yeah. Yeah. Card carrying communist.

Ben Lee

Right. I mean. Yeah. Ahead of his time. Yeah.

Ione Skye

Well, that was sort of a thing back then. That's true. He was of his time. Yeah. We had a great night the other night.

Ben Lee

Going to see Beth Orton play at the city recital hall in Sydney. You'd never been to that venue? No. It was beautiful. It was so beautiful.

Ione Skye

I felt like I was in LA, down, like, at the Disney hall or something. Yeah. Well, has that concert recital. Is it called the Disney hall? The Royce Disney hall in LA?

Cause now I'm confused. When my dad got into the rock and roll hall of fame, he kept referring to it as the. The rock hall. Yeah. So I feel like I'm, like, abbreviating it.

Ben Lee

Holes are. Yeah. It's hard to name a hall shorter than hall. Yeah. Halston.

It's a hole. I'm gonna make it longer. Yeah, the whole. The Disney. Holston.

The Disney hall is great. That's the Frank Gehry one, right? Yeah. It didn't look like that, but I guess it was feeling like last night was a real LA and Sydney. Oh, and we're jumping into last night, so I just wanted to chat about.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah. The last two nights, and I'm not taking anything away from Sydney or comparing it or whatever, but anyway, someone wanted to collaborate. I don't know who it is. I started streaming this on TikTok for the first time, so there's people chiming in. We're not inviting any collaborators into the live stream, so.

Ione Skye

Yeah, I guess so. Night before last, we saw Beth Orton, who you'd met. Did you guys figure out where you'd met? Years ago? I thought it was with our friend.

I think she thought through Harper Simon. Yes. And I thought it was through Amy. Fleetwood or Alice temple, and I'd played with her. We'd done a show together, I think, in Boston, an outdoor radio show in.

Like, maybe it was Amanda de Cadney. Oh, you played in 97. We did a show together. I didn't even think we met, but I do remember watching her and thinking, like, this is an artist who is totally on their own tip, like, on their vibe, you know what I mean? And I always like that.

Ben Lee

Like, even if last night I was asking her about what were her. Like, her grail moments, like, what were the artists that she, you know, that really made her go. And so that was interesting because it's a different. Wait, who? John Martin.

Ione Skye

Uh huh. Who did the song that I was in the realm. Yeah. Hayden Hutt, Fairpot convention. Wait, who did she say?

Ben Lee

Oh, Leonard Cohen, but a lot of, like, british folk, which is like, Tim Hardin. Yeah, she loved Tim Hardin. I was telling her I wanted to play him tonight, last night. No, I did not mention that. Did you say I loved him?

I did not. I'm sorry. I did not mention you. Yeah. Anyway, so, anyway, we saw Beth Orton play, and I had a really.

Unknown Speaker

I'm just joking. I mean, I'm not joking, but that's. Funny because you're threatening. You're just. No, no, I just want.

Ione Skye

I, like, love overly looking for validation. Look, we all love to be referenced in third person in a positive light. In another conversation, but, you know, I. It's like a cameo appearance in someone else's conversation. Great.

Ben Lee

Love it. Great. I love also when I'm, like, upstairs or in another room and I hear you talking about me, and it's always in such a loving. If I didn't speak English, just hearing the tone, it's so lovely, like, your tone when you're like, I own. Eat it.

Ione Skye

And it sounds so, like, you're so, like, loving and impressed tone about me, and I'm like, yay. I do love to praise you. I love to. I know. Last night I had to curb every.

I was like, and Ben. And Ben. Every time I was talking to someone, I'm jumping to last night. But any. I was like, Ben does this Ben.

And I was like, I better stop it. Maybe we're too enmeshed. But we do so much together. Not a mesh. I guess being a woman, I just feel like I don't want people to think.

I don't even know. She's just. But you don't have your own identity outside of our marriage, outside of a man. Yeah, yeah, I get it. But that's kind of relaxing.

If you don't have an identity outside of. I'm kidding. Yeah, well, that's what trad wives are. All going back to, infantilizing. You will never be a trad wife.

No, I mean, I like to go both ways, s and m. I like to be relaxed and follow. But you have a dominating personality, and. I like to be just go, go, go on my own adventure with myself, you know, in life. Like, I remember last time we were here, 2020, and we came right out of the two week lockdown in the hotel here, which was weirdly fun.

And your mom picked us up or something, and Kate, she took us right to a mall, me and Kate. And it was traumatizing to go into a mall out in the lockdown, but there was no. It was, like, wide open and whatever. But your mom was so authoritative that Kate and I were, like, in the backseat of the car, like, I feel like a little kid. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah. Nothing like a powerful mama. Yeah. Just like, in the backseat and your mom just leading the way. Well, isn't that kind of the.

Ben Lee

Our crumb thing? Like, why he always drew women with powerful legs and stuff? Because it was like being a little. A toddler or something, looking up at this powerful mama and just feeling safe. I know, last, then it becomes sexualized, you know, as people get older.

Ione Skye

I know yesterday was a pure example of that. We were behind. We're going to redleaf because Ben does a little daily dive into the ocean, and we are waiting in line for coffees at this little hut that you find at all the harbor beaches. And there is a little boy, and his mom had the most beautiful ass, and he was, like, waiting in line for ice cream, and his little hand was just, like, holding her bum. And I was like, you know, little kids putting their hand on their mom's bum, it's just, like, so comforting.

And then I was just picked to ten years, 20 years from now, he's gonna be putting his hand on someone else's bum. Oh, yeah. That kid is destined to be a twerking fan. He's like. He loved it, but Beth Orton.

Ben Lee

So, the show, I wanted to say, I so enjoy seeing musicians with, like, different creative impulses than my own. And I was thinking. I was talking to Beth about it, how I feel like, look, we do podcasts. I feel this urge, this primal urge to be understood and for my ideas to get across and to find the right words. And then when I see someone like Beth, who's operating in a comfortable.

Operating in a much more abstract. Even the way she drenches her vocals in reverb. So you can't make out every word. The voice becomes much more of an instrument. And then the music, there were jammy parts, and it was just.

And I guess it's like my own relationship to abstraction. I always find it's complicated. Like, I love it and I fear it. Yeah. I remember you told me once in a car, you were listening to jazz and you were weeping because you were feeling sad that you didn't have that feeling even also in your childhood enough, because maybe you went to a structured school.

Ione Skye

And so the feeling of almost jealousy of jazz was making you kind of. Feel like, jealous of jazz is a great song title, by the way. Yeah, baby. Jealous of jazz. Yeah.

Because you just were like, wow, I didn't have that. We had a more structured childhood. And, yeah, I was loving the musicality in Beth Orton's show was reminding me of my favorite parts of, like, Ricky Lee Jones albums and Van Morrison and just those parts of albums. Like the days I used to put on a real album and be in my apartment in New York or whatever, and just like, where you're listening to an album and you get. You're just doing stuff and you're like, kind of come to again, and you're like, wow, that was a whole, like, felt like ten minute section of this amazing music.

And then the singer comes back and you're like, oh, yeah, I'm listening to Ricky Lee Jones or whoever. And, yeah, I just. And it was so not professional. Sounds silly, but the musicians and that theater, it was so top drawer. Yeah, absolutely.

Ben Lee

And something else that I was thinking about was, you know, when you're experiencing someone else's art, there's the aspirational part where you go, oh, what can I incorporate into my thing from this person? Like, I'm sure you have that with actors and filmmakers and painters, but then sometimes you sense something that actually isn't yours to take. Yeah. So, like, sometimes when I see, like, a hip hop artist or something come out that is super aggressive energy, like, public image limited, like, the fact that they could ignite a riot. I've never had that energy in my music.

Ione Skye

Can you imagine? I've not started one riot by my music. And it makes me realize that, like, those riots aren't mine to start. Well, you start a different riot. Like, sometimes your songs, you just have this ability to open people up so fast that I, as a fan, sometimes I'm like, ugh, too fast.

I don't want to open up. And I find the riot is a protest against opening up. And then I have to. So you're saying I can incite a riot against me. No, that's true.

Ben Lee

I can. That's true, too. But inside as well. Like this kind of. Why are you trying to open me up?

Ione Skye

Not in a bad. Like, you're not saying I'm gonna open you up, but your music. And you just can't help but do that. And that's what I'm saying. That's the directness that I do.

Ben Lee

I've always prided myself on. And just watching, I find as I get older, watching people who have the confidence to let quietness build and abstraction build, like, I'm quite. You're the envious of it. Third trimester of a pregnancy where it's like, I wanted the first two, but that's a different thing because it's. That's.

Ione Skye

Yeah, that's a different thing. But now you're. You're kind of taking the audience a little more subtle. I feel like you had this shamanic quality that was overwhelming sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is a bit of a riot. Yeah. Needy. Yeah, exactly. It was a riot.

But then, like, you're coming with me. You're coming with me. If I'm gonna go down, you're gonna come with me. Yeah. Now there was a real Elvis Costello lyric.

Unknown Speaker

Is it? I thought it was. I was in your fallout, boy. Honey, I'm going down swinging. But, yeah, this is.

Ione Skye

If I'm gonna go down, you're gonna come with me. God, your reference was so much cooler than mine. Yet somehow in this, you know, we referenced multiple generations of punk music in that. And that somewhere in that lies the magic of. What was your reference?

Ben Lee

Fall that boy.

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That's Amazon.com comedyaddfree to catch up on the latest episodes without the ads. Oh, and was it pill you referenced? Yeah, public image limited. I thought that was. You said it was rap, but I thought that was punk.

Ben Lee

No, no, I was using, like, rap or, like, sometimes I'll see, like, you know, a Kanye video or something coming out on stage. A Gucci mane, like, hitting so hard. Yeah. Or public image, like, hard punk. Yeah.

Like Amel and. What was the song? Pill again. I love them. This is not a love song.

Ione Skye

That's not the one. I know. Okay, that's okay. I'll look it up. So c I l.

Ben Lee

So then, Beth, we have a mutual friend, Louise Bonnet in LA. And so I said to her, I was like, look, your friend Beth's coming if she wants to do anything Sydney ish, we're happy to. So we ended up having a nice, beautiful little drinks and dinner last night. And it was such a cool. Such a cool unexpected, like, I love looking at hosting because we do a fair amount of it.

I love looking at it as kind of an art form and, like, collaging things, putting together a friend, Jerry Beckley. I put a photo up on my instagram of. There was Jerry Beckley from America, Colin Greenwood from Radiohead, who's in town playing with Nick Cave, and Beth. And everyone had crossed paths at various points over the years. And it was just so nice.

I know there's something about lifetime musicians that, you know, you've been around. It's like you're such an honorary lifetime musician. Yeah. A musician adjacent. Yeah, you're a musician adjacent.

But there's something so nice about the culture of, like, everyone sort of played on bills together over the years across paths. And she's gonna get up. Beth's getting up tonight with Nick Cave. So it's just. Yeah, it's just, I don't know.

Fascinating. It was heartwarming. She let me see if I can remember his name, and I can. Greenwood. Collins Greenwood.

Ione Skye

His friend is a filmmaker. Yeah. Margaret. His girlfriend. Girlfriend.

Ben Lee

We met her through Juliana Barwick, who's. And she had an amazing short film or documentary idea. Like a movie idea. Cause she makes films. Okay.

Don't spill it on the part. Okay. I'm gonna tell you later, but I wanna watch her. She was saying the thing. She involves Nick.

Okay, so she's done. She. I can't say it. It's her idea. What, are you gonna share her idea on a podcast?

Ione Skye

Because she might do it. Exactly. Or someone else might do it. And then it's like. I don't know.

It's very. It's like, gonna be hard to do, but amazing idea. Not. Not our idea to share before it gets. So.

You heard it here first. Yeah. You heard it first. There is an idea. Easter eggs.

Ben Lee

But, yeah, I do want to watch. She was saying her series is up on Netflix. There's a documentary series called Descendant that she's proud of that I want to watch. She seemed super cool anyway, and it was just fun. It was a bit of a.

Like, a couple times people said it was like an LA ish. Night, hoping Gary Beckley. I could tell. Like, when I was talking to him, I was like, where is he from? And I thought maybe the south.

Ione Skye

But he was born in Texas and Margaret grew up in Alabama. And so I was having. Mobile. Mobile. And I was having that thing of, like.

I wonder if. Because when they were talking, if there was like a. Because it's sort of a similar part. Okay. Like a southern connection.

Sort of a southern connection or something. Did you perceive that? Was there a southern connection? I mean, on a subtle connection. Southern connection, maybe.

Ben Lee

Have you ever been to mobile, Alabama? No, but it's famous for many things. I mean, to me, it's most famous for stuck in Sadamobile with the Memphis blues again. Yeah. What else is it famous for?

Ione Skye

I don't know. Probably race situations. Racism. It's famous for racism. Yeah.

Ben Lee

No, there was probably some. There was some civil rights actions. Yeah, action. But. I don't know.

Ione Skye

But I have. I'm more like you. I like. Not like you. Rather, I have a.

I'm hung up on geography, but maybe it's because I just. I'm interested in culture and sociology. And so I find, like, all the different. It's a parameter. States are dumb and country names are.

You know, it's like, flags. All that's stupid. But. Hey, wait, are we missing flags? Well, I don't know.

Ben Lee

Flags are fabulous. No, I'm saying they're stupid. But I remember I was embarrassed when I was little as why I'm putting flags down. I mean, I guess there's a good reason. But I remember I was looking at them, and this older, my friend's older brother, who I looked up to, I was like, don't you think flags are cool?

Ione Skye

And he was like, no, they're stupid. Aw. And I got my feelings hurt. But I just liked. The flags do appeal to children, and I think they appeal to the child in each of us.

Ben Lee

Like, nationalism is what we started talking about. Like the looking up at the mother. There's a reason people call their countries motherlands. Yeah, because it's like the desire to be held by a powerful mother. Exactly.

Ione Skye

And on a more, like, lovely way to think about it, is just lands just have different. I'm not gonna. I don't wanna sound hippieish. Come on, let's get lovely. Well, landscapes and animals, vibrations, whatever you.

Unknown Speaker

Want to call it. I don't know about the word vibration, but you know what I'm saying. You know, lands have landscapes, animals and vibrations. I don't know yet exactly where you're going. But I'm with you on all of these things.

Ione Skye

I was just saying, like, sure, there's different collections of land that are fascinating for different reasons. That is true. So you don't have to, like, you know, carve it out and call it, this is our land. This is your land is the way it should be. That's true.

But anyway, I.

Is this a new song? Is this a sequel to a man? A boat? No, that's a famous song. Italian song.

La, la.

No, nothing. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I've been having such a good time now that the subtle urban sex appeal ship has fully left the station. So this is a pod that we produce.

Ben Lee

It's on the weirdo together network. Susa. Susa. But look up subtle urban sex appeal. Full name.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah. And it's. I just find both Malik and Safi, their minds are so interesting, and they always come at things. I don't always agree, but I always. It always makes me think and laugh, and I'm so.

Ben Lee

It feels like getting back to, like, a fountain of youth, like, doing these weekly pods with them and hearing their thoughts. Yeah, well, she's a little more. She's less provocative, I would say, but only by comparison. I think Sofia. Well, I think Saffyota Road is actually quite a provocative thinker.

Like her essays and her substantial. But compared to Malik, Malik is, like, such a provocateur that it's. Yeah, but there's something in his provocative statements. He comes out with a bang, and then he lands it. Usually.

Ione Skye

Occasionally, I'm like. I mean, meaning, I think it's fascinating. But, yes, there's once in a while where I'm like, no, he was. There's a whole new bit on me on this week's episode that's about to come out where they were talking about the protest movement and activism and what. It means that I was kind of down.

Yeah, but also more like, it's not that I disagree. It's more because there's. Within every sort of conversation, there is so much that they land that, you know, it's like those great. Any great artist, they say something sometimes that was already in there that you weren't able to say or a new thought. Yes, but they definitely have that amazing ability to kind of say stuff that you're like, oh, you did not say that.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah. Articulate something. Or articulate something that you were like, oh, wow. I couldn't put that into words. But I do think the whole.

Ione Skye

Funny. So funny. Yeah. The whole conversation around, like, Malik was really talking a lot about, like, the pressure to participate in BLM protests as a young black man and now as a progressive person and dealing with the Palestine protests and institutional change versus performative activism. And it's just interesting how, like, there are a lot of subtleties, especially in such a divisive time as we're in right now.

Ben Lee

There's not so much discussion about the subtleties of the experience of, you know, these. They're just. They're delicate conversations. And I'm really, like. I'm just really excited that we get to sort of listen in on them and be a fly on the wall for these recordings every week.

Ione Skye

Yeah, I appreciate all the people who are talking about the subtleties and the experience, the complications and stuff. Cause I've always felt like, as an Australian, particularly when we're in America, there have been multiple protests or causes that I felt very strongly about. But I always had in the back of my mind that as a green card holder, if I were to ever get arrested, even just like, not a severe arrest, but just kind of like a, you know, that would get rid of my green card, I would never be able to live there again. So there is. There's all these very personal relationships we have to the way we choose to speak up or not speak up, and.

Unknown Speaker

And I don't know. I just find, like, there's a lot of pressure societally to protest in one way or another of whatever's needed at that moment. If you don't do it that way, you're doing it the wrong way. I know everyone has their own. I want to post online, but I'm not.

Ben Lee

Well, you get. You're such a sensitive person that I think just the firestorm of, anytime you post anything political, it's very hard. That's why I'm a people pleaser. Even if I had a strong belief and somebody would come at me and say, you know, how could you? I would feel like.

Ione Skye

So, like, first I'd be enraged and my rosacea would flare up, or I'd be like, I don't know. It would really. I'd be. So. I would need to defend myself.

Lenny Bruce style. Yeah. Seven five hour long comedy shows where I'm not doing any comedy, but I'm defending myself. Yeah. Just reading them in Yuusha, reading the.

Minutia back and forth. So I just don't even want to. But I also don't want people to think I don't care or I'm not watching the news. And sometimes I'll post something and I'm like, oh, my God, the world. And I'm posting a pretty house or something.

Ben Lee

But such are the conflicts of being a participant in popular culture during a time of crisis. Yes. Nonetheless, I think it's important to, like. Oh, sure. Bring people joy and levity and courage.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah. You need a break. Even people who are in the heat of it, you know, you need a break of kind of relaxing your mind. Yeah. I always think of this podcast going back at it.

Ben Lee

A lot of people come to this pod for. They say it's the coziness. Yeah. And I think coziness is important. Like, if you're gonna be doing hard things in life, you need periods of, like, snuggling up in your safe space and feeling loved and understood.

Ione Skye

Yeah. The cuddle after the hardcore sex. Yeah. That is. This podcast episode is going to be called the Cuddle after the hardcore sex.

Ben Lee

Okay, what song should we end this episode with? A little. Oh, my God, there was a boat. There was a man. Is that our new theme song?

Maybe some Bethoughton. Oh, that's lovely. Yeah, I'd love it. Anyway, lots of tour dates on sale around Australia for me. I'm not going to read them on, but you can go to my website and check them out.

Also, we are together in Melbourne. We cannot wait. I can't wait. The first Melbourne we together variety show, May 23, Brunswick ballroom. And just lots of fun stuff going out.

My single lovers is still streaming. Still there. Go get it. And the TikToks are fun. TikToks are flying in.

I have no idea why people are using the song the way they're using it. But again, love it. I know. And we love you guys. Yep.

Ione Skye

To all the beautiful babies. We love you. Peace. Well, I've been dreaming of prostarling and frown the real hard to believe it'll ever go out again no, I'll never get too close I still hold you on a Friday at night.

Unknown Speaker

What? A Friday night.

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