The Mandela Effect

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Ramblin Arablouei
It happened on a Thursday.

Acting on a tip from an informant, the police raided a farm where an underground militia was believed to be plotting a violent insurrection against the government. 19 people were arrested.

Various Speakers
The accused deliberately and maliciously plotted and engineered the commission of acts of violence and destruction throughout the country. Their combined operations were planned to lead to confusion, violent insurrection, and rebellion. The men were put on trial, and the leader of the group, already serving a short stint in prison on a separate charge, was considered to be the number one terrorist. His own lawyers, they were looking to get him off, or at the very least, make sure he didn't get the death penalty. And he was always concerned about generating publicity for the struggle.

Ramblin Arablouei
Day after day, the trial continued, and with it, the number one terrorist became a kind of celebrity. Some called him a freedom fighter. His picture was everywhere, dressed sharply, proudly, sitting alongside his young, glamorous wife. The world waited to learn what fate had in store for him and his accomplices. There would be good reason for them to sentence him to death.

Sisonke Msimang
So there's a very strong feeling that he, if not all of them, may be hung.

Ramblin Arablouei
At the opening of the trial, he gave a three hour speech. These would be his final words to the world for a long, long time. But it would not be the last we would hear from the so called terrorist named Nelson Mandela.

Various Speakers
The idea of a democratic and free society in which all persons will live together in home and with equal opportunity if it needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.

Rund Abdelfatah
In 1964, after this trial, Nelson Mandela was sentenced to life in prison. For years, he was labeled by the state as prisoner 46 664. But eventually, against all odds, in 1994, he transformed from South Africa's number one terrorist into South Africa's first black president, ushering in a new era of democracy. Hopes were high back in 1994, as years of segregation and white rule came to an end. Nelson Mandela talked about a country where every citizen would live a dignified life and be treated equally.

Ramblin Arablouei
But 30 years on, many say there's little to celebrate. South Africa's violent crime rates are among. The worst in the world. Unemployment is at an all time high. Inequality has been growing.

Various Speakers
Hope's been replaced by disappointment and skepticism. They are asking themselves, why do we have this kind of a situation? If you're 25. South Africa is 30 years old. You don't know what apartheid was.

You didn't live it. You didn't see it. And that's a fair assessment of the new South Africa. The new South Africa where everyone now has the right to vote. But many, especially in the black community, don't even have access to clean water.

Most whites are still the top. Most black people are still at the bottom. Up to like 60% of black people are considered poor. This is Sean Jacobs. He's a professor of international affairs at the new school.

Rund Abdelfatah
He grew up in Cape Town during apartheid and says because of that, he feels hopeful despite these challenges. I grew up in a township. I know the place where my father was removed from. I know what the apartheid landscape was like. So that 94, for me is like, we won something.

Various Speakers
They created the context for us to kind of wrestle, think through, create conditions, work at it to create this other kind of society. So on the 29 May this year, south african citizens will go to the polls with a choice on who they want to lead this country. The upcoming elections could mark a turning point in the story of South Africa in pursuit of that other kind of society. For the first time since Nelson Mandela took office back in 19, 94, 30 years ago, his party, the African National Congress, or ANC, may not win a majority of the votes. Many in South Africa see the party as corrupt and responsible for the country's problems.

Rund Abdelfatah
It's been a complicated political saga with all sides attempting to weaponize parts of the past, especially the legacy of Nelson Mandela. I never wanted to be regarded as an angel. I'm an ordinary human being with weaknesses, some of them fundamental. And I've made many mistakes in my life. I am not a saint, unless you think of a saint as a sinner.

Ramblin Arablouei
Who keeps on trying despite his pleas. Mandela is often characterized as a kind of saint, the miraculous savior of South Africa. But the struggle against apartheid was long and painstaking. There were setbacks, disagreements, compromises, violence, all of which helped produce the South Africa of today. And that's where this episode will sit, in that murky space between the myth and the man, exploring the complicated questions it raises about the nature of resistance movements, about when, if ever, violence is justified and what ultimately is the cost of freedom.

Various Speakers
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Sisonke Msimang
Part one the young lions.

Various Speakers
I grew up in a royal court.

The elders of the time, they would tell me stories about the battles which were fought when the whites came and the heroes that emerged from those battles.

Ramblin Arablouei
Nelson Mandela was born in 1918 in the Transkei, a region in the eastern Cape of South Africa. The son of a chief, he was given the name Holistla Mandela at birth. In Xhosa, it literally translates to pulling the branch from a tree. Colloquially, it means troublemaker.

Richard Stengel
South Africa was then a british colony, but the British had never really conquered that region of South Africa. The short of it is South Africa had been colonized for centuries, first by the Dutch, who used it as a trading base with Asia, and then by the British, who wanted access to the enormous reserves of gold and diamonds buried in the land. There were bloody wars over territory which put most South Africans under their control. The Transkey Mandelas home was the last big area where black South Africans could still own land. It was, in many ways, an all black world.

Ramblin Arablouei
This is Richard Stengel. Alongside Mandela, he wrote long walk to the autobiography of Nelson Mandela. Most of the recordings you're hearing of Mandela's voice in this episode come from interviews Richard conducted with him for that book. His confidence, his sense of self, his sense of african history, even his sense of destiny, I think, came from those early days. And I had this ambition, you know, a bright child.

Holistla Mandela began school at age seven in a single room schoolhouse near his home village. So the teacher automatically gave you a name, an english name, when you went to school, when you arrived, they would say, well, your name is Nelson. And for the rest of his life, the world would know holy sh la as Nelson Mandela.

Richard Stengel
The thing that I think changed the trajectory of his life was when he ran away to Johannesburg. It was 1941. I wanted to train as a lawyer. Apartheid didnt officially exist yet, but racial prejudice was everywhere, the result of centuries of colonization. I met people like Walter Solo, who.

Rund Abdelfatah
Was a giant in the liberation movement. Oppressed people of South Africa are determined as never before to carry on until freedom is won. Now, these are people who exercise an influence on me. And I discovered that there was a world which I did not know. And those doors opened to me.

Richard Stengel
And that was the first time that he experienced the weight of racial prejudice. I had to unlearn what I had learned. The South Africa that Mandela was opening his eyes to was a bleak one. Although South Africas population was nearly 70% black, politics were dominated by the minority white population, most of whom were the descendants of dutch colonists called Afrikaners. And with a series of laws in the early 19 hundreds, the exclusively white parliament systematically moved land out of the hands of black South Africans and into the hands of white South Africans.

Rund Abdelfatah
And black South Africans across the country were systematically barred from voting. A few years after moving to Johannesburg, Mandela joined the African National Congress, or ANC, a political organization that advocated for the rights of black South Africans. It was self consciously nonviolent. Since its founding in 1912, the ANC had mostly operated as a letter writing organization. Until we can act in only one of two directions, either we must follow the course of equality, which must eventually mean national suicide for the white race, or we must take the course of separation.

Various Speakers
Daniel Francois Milan. In 1948, a new exclusively afrikaner government, led by Prime Minister Daniel Francois Millan, came to power in South Africa and put in place a new policy called apartheid. Apartheid shaped every part of life for black and white South Africans, as well as the small but significant populations of mixed race, quote, colored and indian people, whose ancestors were often brought to South Africa as slaves and indentured servants. Black people were removed from their homes and forced to live either in urban townships, often without electricity or municipal services, or rural areas called bantustans that were overcrowded and impoverished. Society was completely segregated.

Rund Abdelfatah
If you were black, colored or indian, you needed a passbook to travel into any white area, and there was a strict censorship of the media. Faced with this escalating prejudice, Mandela and other young members of the ANC, including Walter Sisulu and Mandela's partner in his law practice. Oliver Tambo teamed up to create the ANC Youth league. These are young people who start to say, we need to change the strategy. This is the Sesepo Malloy.

Ramblin Arablouei
He's a lecturer in the history department at the University of Johannesburg. We need to be more confrontational now. Their stance earned them the nickname the Young Lions.

They launched what was called the Defiance campaign.

Various Speakers
The laws that they defied was to walk into white areas without permission.

Sisonke Msimang
When the police come, you expect that they will do what they will do. The dogs will bark and they may spit on you, but you do not move. This is Sisonke Msimung. Shes the author of the book the resurrection of Winnie Mandela. Nelson Mandela is the coordinator of the defiance campaign in the Johannesburg area.

Richard Stengel
He said, I violated the laws, but the laws themselves are unjust. The laws themselves should be on trial.

Rund Abdelfatah
In the midst of all this change, Mandela has his entire world upended when he meets his match. So she's significantly younger than him. She's very, very stubborn, and she's very determined to learn. Her name was Winnie Madigazella. She was the first black female social worker in South Africa.

Sisonke Msimang
And at a time in the 1950s when women, african women, certainly didn't get that level of education, she was a real achiever.

Rund Abdelfatah
They fell head over heels for each. Other, and they kind of never look back from there. And a couple of years later, in 1958, Nelson and Winnie got married. Against the backdrop of the ongoing anti apartheid struggle, a struggle that was about to take a sharp turn as the mood and South Africa darkened further.

Various Speakers
On the 21 March, 1960, activists go. On a march in a place called Sharpeville.

The group of people who lived in Sharpville went to the police station to hand their passbooks and be arrested.

The police opened fire on the. On the. On the people, the crowd, which was there. And as they begin to shoot, many of the protesters start to run away. 69 people are killed, most of them.

Shot in the back, and scores of others were injured. The 21 march becomes this seminal moment in which it is clear that the apartheid regime is not going to turn back, and it's only going to get worse.

Rund Abdelfatah
The south african government declared a state of emergency nine days after the massacre and banned the ANC and another black liberation organization called the Pan Africanist Congress, who had organized the Sharpville protests. The organizations were forced to operate in exile from nearby countries like Tanzania and Zambia. Mandela began to think that nonviolent protest wasn't going to overturn apartheid, and Mandela then became the founder of umkantu y. Siswe m'contewa sizwe, which means the spear of the nation. The spear of the nation, a revolutionary army which was the military wing of the ANC.

Sisonke Msimang
There was a manifesto of Mkhonto Siswe that was published on the 16 December 1961, and it said, the time comes in the life of any nation when there remain only two choices, submit or fight. That time has now come to South Africa. We shall not submit, and we have no choice but to hit back, by all means, in our power, in defense of our people, our future and our freedom. Even though Mandela abhorred violence morally, his goal, to which everything was subordinate, was freedom for my people. One person, one vote.

Richard Stengel
When I asked him about the term the embrace of violence, he said the. Strategy I would use would depend on the conditions. That's why we resorted to violence, for example, because the conditions demanded that we. Should take up arms, almost in these words. For Gandhi, non violence was a moral principle.

Various Speakers
Gandhi would never, ever. For me, it was a tactic. And when a tactic is not working, you change it.

Richard Stengel
He thought this was a way of putting more pressure on the government and perhaps getting more international support. And that was more his goal than overturning the state or defeating the very. Powerful south african military, which was getting support and weaponry from the west, including the US, who saw the south african government as an ally in its cold war against communism. Meanwhile, the ANC and its members were considered an enemy in that war because of their links to the Soviet Union and their new willingness to engage in violence. Mandela was placed on the US terrorism watch list.

Mandela then shortly thereafter went underground and he started to build a guerrilla movement. They begin to call him the black Pimpernel. He's like this spy figure. Sometimes he'd wear disguises, sneak into the country and show up at home without notice, surprising Winnie and their daughters. And they'll have a chance to touch base and recuperate, and then he'll be gone again, and she can't ask any questions about where he's going.

Ramblin Arablouei
One day, Winnie receives news that authorities have raided a farm outside Johannesburg which housed the ANC's base in South Africa. The evidence they gathered there was enough to bring her husband to trial for treason and sabotage. He was already serving a short stint in prison on a separate charge. But now the south african government had its number one terrorists cornered on a much more serious charge, where the stakes would be life or death. So Winnie comes every morning, very well dressed, often very stark white or very bright colors.

Sisonke Msimang
So she's very attuned to the public space as a space of political theater. And on June 11, 1964, the verdict came down in the now infamous Rivonia trial.

Various Speakers
It is an idea for which I am prepared to die.

Rund Abdelfatah
A life sentence in prison.

Mandela and his comrades in Umkonto Wesizue are taken away to Robben Island, South Africa's maximum security prison. Winnie and their daughters are not allowed to say goodbye. Those who are outside, outside prison warms are safe simply in a bigger prison. And for 27 years, prison gates and glass partitions would separate their worlds. We are all really in prison in a bigger apartheid prison.

Ramblin Arablouei
Coming up, in Nelson's absence, Winnie takes up the spear of the nation.

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Sisonke Msimang
Part 227 years.

Various Speakers
When we arrived, they asked us to crush stones to make gravel. They big stones. They bring big stones. They had one on the ground, and then you have a hammer and you break the stones on this big stone.

Richard Stengel
Robin island is a spectacularly beautiful island, just a few miles off the coast of Cape Town. People called it South Africa's Alcatraz. Robin is the word for seal. There were thousands of seals on the beach, thousands and thousands of penguins.

Was like a nature reserve with a prison on it.

Sisonke Msimang
When he was on Robben island, no images of Mandela were allowed to be displayed, and the colors of the African National Congress were banned. So Winnie Mandela became the person who carries his voice. I was the most unmarried married woman because we really never lived together, who. Reminds us of his image. And the name of Nelson Mandela is a name that must be spoken and spoken and spoken because that is the way of keeping him alive, literally keeping him alive, because this, that he cannot die because he would be too big of a martyr.

Various Speakers
Our communication as family was always through the letters and through the bars, the prison bars. This is some of what they wrote to each other, read by voice actors. My dearest Winnie, your beautiful photo still stands about 2ft above my left shoulder. I still cannot believe that at last I've heard from you, darling. I dust it carefully every morning.

Darling, when you get the children's school reports, please study them. My dearest Winnie, you may find that the cell is an ideal place to learn to know yourself. And Zinzi wants to be a teacher. My dearest Winnie, I really cannot understand why there is so much harshness. My dearest Winnie, lots of love and a million kisses with 16 million salutes to you.

Forever yours.

Sisonke Msimang
Winnie Mandela was seen as and described as the mother of the. Nation, a young mother to two little girls who faced down the apartheid state for 27 years alone, longing for a beloved, an experience many black south african women had. Around the country, husbands and fathers would travel to Johannesburg, a city literally sitting on a gold mine, to work for powerful mining companies that had influence over the government. And often they would only see their families once a year. The difference for Winnie was that she also had the apartheid state closely monitoring her every move.

The apartheid state had a high degree of surveillance. It was full of police officers and full of military personnel.

Ramblin Arablouei
In 1969, Winnie was arrested in the middle of the night, still in her pajamas, and taken to prison. And they keep her under what is called the Terrorism act. So it allows anyone who's suspected of involvement in terrorism to be detained without trial. And so what then begins is a series of detentions without trial. They string her along.

Various Speakers
First thing you do when you get into the cell is that at least you have a pin or something on you so you can scratch the calendar on the wall. And that is how I kept saying, because you lose track of the time, end date. For more than a year, she was locked in solitary confinement. She was beaten, tortured. I reached a point, I think, a threshold, where the body could not take the pain anymore.

And then I would faint. She was even denied sanitary pads when she was on her period. That is the extent to which they dehumanized you. It's a very, very difficult time for her. And when they threw a bucket of water to wake me up, I got up and I started fighting all over again.

My dearest win, I sincerely, you really don't know whether you will ever get this particular one. During Nelson Mandela's time in prison, information about the outside world was scarce. Sometimes the guards would leave newspaper clippings in his cell with bad news about Winnie, a kind of psychological torment. But there was nothing he could do. He was basically forced to create an alternate reality within the prison walls.

Richard Stengel
And you see these incredible diaries that he kept of how many push ups and sit ups he did every day. You know, how long he ran in place, the books that he read, how far he got. He famously decided to learn Afrikaans in prison. He memorized afrikaans poetry. He learned about rugby, which was the great afrikaans sport.

He was always preparing for the time that he got out.

Various Speakers
They wanted to break our spirits. So what we did was to sing freedom songs as we were working. And then, of course, dancing to the new, as we're working. You know.

Rund Abdelfatah
The entire time Nelson Mandela was in prison, the ANC was in exile, strategizing from afar, seeking international support. For the movement abroad. Apartheid was widely seen as oppression. Demonstrations sometimes recalled the most violent racial. Clashes of the 1960s in South Africa.

It was mostly silent. The white authorities made sure of it. Then, in the early 1970s, new voices in the struggle began to break that silence. Changes which are to come can only come as a result of a program worked out by black people. You have establishment of what was known as Sasso.

Various Speakers
Sasso, the south african students Organization. And it's led by people like Steve Biko, which is firmly based on black consciousness. Steve Biko, a student himself, was influenced by the black power movement in the United States. He pushed socialist ideas, advocated for black consciousness, which promoted pride in black culture and political solidarity, and famously said Sasso was for all people who were oppressed. It's almost like a perfect storm of a mass movement was coming back.

Rund Abdelfatah
This is Sean Jacobs again, displaying flags. Shouting the ANC's name, singing their songs. And since the government had completely banned tv in South Africa. Radio became a haven for the movement. Heavily censored, the ANC would broadcast its message from neighboring countries on a guerrilla station called Radio Freedom.

Ramblin Arablouei
As more students were arrested and imprisoned, Mandela began to meet some of them. These students had no memory of the Rivonia trial, and some had never heard the name Nelson Mandela, which was censored everywhere in South South Africa. He took them under his wing, educating them about the struggle a generation earlier, learning from them about the new generation of resistance. But as the resistance grew, the south african government cracked down harder. In 1976, some 20,000 schoolchildren took to the streets in a township called Soweto to protest the introduction of Afrikaans as a language of instruction in black schools.

Rund Abdelfatah
The police responded with extreme force, killing an estimated 176 students, though some sources say the death toll could be as high as 700. A year later, the leader of the student movement, Steve Biko, was killed from injuries sustained in police custody. And that same year, Sasso was banned. With all of these actions, the government's message to the resistance was clear. Be silent or else.

Ramblin Arablouei
By the early 1980s, tv was no longer banned. It turns out it's hard to keep the world out forever. And despite, or perhaps because of all the state violence of the previous decade, the resistance had grown bolder. Before you shout about your broken plate ask about the meal my family ate. Madam, please.

Workers began to mobilize, protesting all the time. Domestic laborers soon began organizing. Miners went on strike. They were the backbone of the economy. Madam, please, before you ask me if your children are fine, ask me when.

Various Speakers
Ask me when I lost so mine.

Sisonke Msimang
There is no time when Winnie is in the public where she is not raising her fist, often saying amandla, which means power. And then she would say awetu. And that means is ours. Power is ours. Meanwhile, the ANC, still in exile, began to see Mandela and the other political prisoners as the key to the story they wanted to tell the world.

Various Speakers
You have to focus on one person. And so the free Mandela movement was born. Free. Mesa Mandela. Songs like this began to play worldwide, and protests broke out on university campuses across the US, calling for divestment from South Africa.

The prison authorities attempted to stop this statement being made, but he would have none of this and made it clear that he would make the statement to you, the people. On February 10, 1985, Winnie and Nelson's daughter, Zinzi, read a speech in Soweto's Jabulani stadium, just down the road from where the student uprising had taken place nearly a decade earlier. Mandela had been offered release if he, quote, unconditionally rejected violence as a political weapon. This speech was his response to that offer. My father says, I cannot and will not give any an undertaking at a time when I and you, the people are not free.

Your freedom and mine cannot be separated.

I will return. Amanda.

Sisonke Msimang
He never regretted the use of violence in the early part of the ANC struggle. It was part of what had to be done. You have this characterization of the use of violence by non state actors as terrorism and the use of violence by state actors as legitimate. The thing is, the violence had shifted while he'd been in prison. We read of violent attacks by blacks against blacks.

Various Speakers
Then there is the calculated terror by elements of the African National Congress, the mining of roads, the bombings of public places designed to bring about further repression, the imposition of martial law, and eventually creating the conditions for racial war. Winnie did nothing to distance herself from that world of violence. It's alleged that she was involved in the murders of innocent people. People. Perhaps the most egregious case was the killing of a 14 year old boy named Stompy Sepe, who was last seen alive at the home of Winnie Mandela.

Rund Abdelfatah
This violence cast a shadow over Winnie, and she said it haunted her relationship with her husband, a claim he denied.

Ramblin Arablouei
On June 11, 1988, with international support continuing to grow, the Nelson Mandela 70th birthday tribute concert was held in London and broadcast to 67 countries around the world. Don't you know you're talking about a river?

The concert lasted 11 hours and featured some of the biggest artists of the day. Tracy Chapman alone on the stage with an acoustic guitar, Whitney Houston, the Bee gees, and sting with a massive show.

It's estimated that 600 million people tuned in. You know, the cold war is about to end. South Africa. Internationally, South Africa is really now being isolated. Some countries put sanctions on South Africa, hitting the economy hard.

Various Speakers
Even the United States had, I think, also sort of given up on them. So the president of South Africa, FWD clerk, arranged a meeting with Nelson Mandela to begin negotiating what a future South Africa might look like.

Now. They had told me that by 05:30 in the morning, I was ready. So Major Marais came very early in the morning, found me dress, and he looked at me from top down to my feet, and he says, no, Manole, you're not going to dress. And he untied the tie and tied it himself. And he also retied my shoelaces and stepped back and looked at me, and he says, no, now you're better.

Ramblin Arablouei
In 1990, Nelson Mandela would step outside the prison walls in his ill fitting suit and feel the sunshine on his face as a free man for the first time in 27 years.

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Various Speakers
We're waiting. And then nothing happened. And then I got a telephone call and he asked if I could come up and walk to the gate. Then there he was. There's Mister Mandela.

Mister Nelson Mandela, a free man taking his first steps into a new South Africa, misses Winnie Mandela next to him, waving to the crowds. I was surprised to see the crowd, which I did not expect. And I was fascinated to see so many white savages that had a formidable impact on me. The image that I had of Mandela was the round face Mandela with Pierre. Now I saw this old man with gray hair.

And that moment, I don't know how to describe it, but it was so, it was like unbelievable. And then I went to the balcony and then read out the speech. I greet you all in the name of peace, democracy and freedom for all.

I stand here before you. You not as a prophet, but as a humble servant of you the people, sort of that Dutch Mandela lesson. You have been called by the people of South Africa. So people are calling on you. You repeat that Dutch over and over again.

Richard Stengel
Do you feel that you came out a stronger man after all those years in prison than you were when you went into prison? I don't think I was fundamentally different from what I was before I went to jail, except that in jail I had a lot of time to think about problems and to see the mistakes that we had committed. I came out immature, that I can say.

Ramblin Arablouei
A little more than two years after Mandelas release from prison, Richard Stengel, an american journalist, got a call out of the blue asking him to ghostwrite Mandelas autobiography. They wanted a global audience. They wanted a big audience in the United States. The book would be an introduction to Mandelas story told by him. He had you know, 200 more important things to do every day than talk to me.

Things like drafting a new constitution, campaigning for the presidency, and, oh, yeah, trying to avoid civil war. For eight months, Richard met with Mandela two or three times a week. Sometimes in his office. There's not a single piece of paper or nothing out of order. Sometimes at his home, this tiny little.

Richard Stengel
House that was based on his last. House in prison, sometimes on the campaign trail. It was actually probably way more dangerous than I knew at the time. What was going on in the country was the rise of this murky right wing white supremacist movement. And naturally, Richard would catch these intimate glimpses of Mandela.

When we were traveling, the bodyguards used to. To say, richard, you go wake up the old man. I mean, I'd wake him up in his hotel room. Oh, wow. So he's in his pajamas.

Ramblin Arablouei
You saw him in his pajamas? I saw him in his pajamas, and he wore very traditional pajamas. And he actually, he used to. He'd have these gigantic king sized beds, and I would go in and he would just be in a tiny corner of the bed at the edge. Remember, he slept in this tiny, tiny little space for almost three decades, and so much of that never left him.

Richard Stengel
He was sort of a prisoner till the end of his days, in a way.

Rund Abdelfatah
Mandela had a monumental task before him. There was little time for anything else, including reconnecting with Winnie. They move in together like husband and wife, and they are on the road traveling across Africa and then the world, reintroducing Nelson Mandela to the world. Right? So she's like, we don't have time to talk.

Sisonke Msimang
I think it's a very difficult time for both of them, emotionally readjusting and politically. Many in Mandela's party, the African National Congress, believed Winnie had become a liability. She was seen as having blood on her hands. Other members of the ANC had also carried out violent attacks on civilians in the context of mob justice. But they werent married to Nelson Mandela.

Rund Abdelfatah
And the story the ANC was telling the world was about Nelson, the peaceful freedom fighter. After all, while in prison, he had been shielded from the difficult choices Winnie had to make out in the world. He could remember. Immaculate. It's hard to say for sure what ultimately led to their separation, but those close to Mandela could see the toll it took on him.

Sisonke Msimang
I think he's heartbroken. But also, while Winnie Mandela may be the love of his life, romantically, the African National Congress and his people are the true love of his life.

Richard Stengel
I've never written so much so fast in my life, part one. A country childhood part two. Johannesburg, part three part four. It was 1994, and as South Africa raced to its first democratic elections, with Mandela positioned to be its first president, Richard was hard at work wrapping up the autobiography, eleven Freedom. The book long Walk to Freedom was published.

Ramblin Arablouei
Readers across the world absorbed Richard's words. Mandela's story and songs of resistance morphed into songs of liberation, like this one from South Africa's prophets of the city. Never and never again. Mandela the militant, Mandela the freedom, Mandela the terrorist was reborn as Mandela the president.

Sisonke Msimang
So often we talk about the end of apartheid as though it only freed black people, but it freed white people, too. It allowed them to live in a society that didn't stifle their emotions, that didn't try to regulate every aspect of life. You have to control everybody in a society like that. And so one of the things that South Africa did not possess was a free press, which is not to say that white South Africans didn't know what was going on, but they certainly, certainly had highly curated views on people like Mandela. You have to recognize that people are produced by the mud in the society in which we live, and that therefore, they are human beings.

Various Speakers
They have got good boys. They have got weak points. Your duty is to work with human beings as human beings, not because you think they are angels.

Rund Abdelfatah
After Mandela is sworn in as South Africa's first black president, one of his first orders of business is to assemble a truth and reconciliation commission. Mandela was not naive. Reconciliation was a means to an end. It was a political strategy. He championed it along with Archbishop Tutu.

Desmond Tutu, the spiritual leader of the resistance. And they really led the charge around how, if we're gonna live together in the future, we have to live side by side, and we have to be able to forgive one another and listen to each other's stories. For seven years, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission investigated, quote, gross human rights violations that took place during apartheid. Things like abductions, killings, torture. But controversially, it wasn't just white South Africans in the hot seat.

Black South Africans who were accused of committing violent acts were also brought before the commission, most prominently, Winnie Mandela. Winnie Mandela was furious about the Truth and Reconciliation commission, and she gave voice to a significant group of people who said, why are we being held to account in the same way as the white people? Because we were fighting for our liberation. We weren't the same. Why would you ask us to come here and explain ourselves as if we were equal parties in this war?

And some took issue with the fact that the commission wasn't really interested in prosecuting people for their actions. And yet a lot of truth was told, right? So a lot of black people who had had relatives who were disappeared, who had been tortured, found out the truth about what had happened. Nelson Mandela had managed to do what many at the time believed was impossible, usher in a new democratic era for South Africa. One person, one vote, without the country descending into civil war, and build a relationship between his new South Africa and the west, who was essential for its economic future.

Ramblin Arablouei
That took a lot of compromise. He and the ANC walked this fine line between defending black South Africans and reassuring white South Africans that he was also their leader. He famously sprinkled phrases of Afrikaans into his speeches and even wore the jersey of the countrys rugby team, once a symbol of the white right during the 1995 World cup. And perhaps most significantly, his government agreed not to force white South Africans to return land to black South Africans, a decision some say resulted in the economic inequality of apartheid persisting to this day. Yet one thing he refused to compromise on was his support for those who had backed the ANC and the resistance movement, including cuban President Fidel Castro and president of the Palestinian National Authority, Yasser Arafat.

Richard asked him about that, and it's. One of the few times that you hear him get mad and he said, who gave me money? Castro and Arafat. Who supported my family while I was in prison? Castro and Arafat.

Richard Stengel
The West turned me down. America turned me down. Our attitude towards any country is determined by the attitude of that country to our struggle. And he said, your enemies are not my enemies. Until the end of his life, Mandela was unwavering in his support for what he saw as revolutionary struggles around the world.

Ramblin Arablouei
In 1997, while still president, he said, we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians. You can call it being political or a moral question, but for anybody who changes his principles depending on whom he is dealing, that is not a man who can lead a nation.

Various Speakers
I sat there for three and a half hours watching that machine. I watched those figures going down and down so slowly.

Sisonke Msimang
When he was dying, Winnie was there with him. He asked for her. And even if he hadn't asked for her, she would have come. He drew his last breath and just rested.

Ramblin Arablouei
Winnie Mandela died a few years later, in 2008. Many of the people who work tirelessly to bring apartheid to an end are now gone. But the struggle in South Africa continues. Perhaps the party that ushered in the revolution, the party that Nelson Mandela loved and was loyal to, has not achieved their vision. Of shared prosperity and justice for all South Africans.

And perhaps thats a natural evolution in the story of resistance, revolution and reinvention. Their struggle was for freedom, and they achieved that. Younger generations of South Africans with no memory of apartheid can now ask themselves something new. When they think about all this and think about the fact that they live in a free society, in a free South Africa, then they start to question, but what does being free mean?

That's it for this week's show. I'm rund Abdelfattah. And I'm Ramtin Arablouei. And you've been listening to throughline from NPR. This episode was produced by me and.

Rund Abdelfatah
Me and Laurence Wu, Julie Cain, Anya. Steinberg, Casey Minor, Christina Kim, Devon Kadayama. Peter Balanon Rosen, Nick Nevis, Irene Noguchi. Fact checking for this episode was done by Kevin Volkal. The audio of this episode was mixed by Robert Rodriguez.

Ramblin Arablouei
Music for this episode was composed by Ramtin and his band drop Electric, which includes Anya Mizani, Navid, Marvi Sho Fujiwara. Thank you to Daniel de Kooning, Melisu Tando Bongela, Kelezo Makofane, Yolanda Tengueni and Nick Nevis for their voiceover work. Special thanks to Richard Stengel, Verne Harris and the Mandela foundation for giving us access to the interviews with Nelson Mandela. You can hear an in depth exploration of those interviews in Richard's podcast, the Lost Tapes. Thanks also to Lindsay Shutel, Ida Purasad, Yolanda Sangweni, Johannes Durgi, Edith Chapin and Colin Campbell.

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