Backstage: The Presidential Debate

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Ben Shapiro
Welcome to the Daily Wire. Backstage in our coverage of the CNN presidential debate between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump, this is basically the Super bowl of american politics. But instead of two teams filled with viral young men with their whole lives ahead of them, filled with vigor and optimism and hope of future glory, performing enormous feats of athletic prowess and simulated combat, it's just two octogenarians sitting in chairs quietly waiting for the nice young man to turn on their microphones so they can mumble at each other for 90 minutes in the hopes of making it home in time for the gun smoke marathon.

I kid if there's a gun smoke marathon tonight, none of us would be here.

I am joined, as per my wont, by the illustrious hosts of all the daily wire shows, except Brett Cooper, who never gets invited.

Michael Knowles, of course.

Matthew Walsh. I call him Matholomew. You don't have to. Andrew Clavin.

Andrew Klavan
Please don't.

Ben Shapiro
And Ben Shapiro. We're very grateful to you guys for joining us tonight. We've just watched what may end up being.

I mean, this may end up truly being one of the most consequential or the most consequential presidential debates in the history of the country.

Cabot Phillips
Holy.

Michael Knowles
We were all joking earlier about how Biden's doctors administered narcotics to him. I now believe they practice necromancy. That was the closest to a dead person I have ever seen on tv.

Matt Walsh
Trump said that Biden has never fired anybody. His doctor might be the first.

Always working for Kamala Harris and hit him with the Valium right beforehand.

Ben Shapiro
I don't understand exactly how this works. But isn't his doctor, his wife, great surgeon?

Matt Walsh
The Biden team actually put out two unnamed sources. Their excuse was he had a cold.

Jeremy Boreing
He had a cold in the middle of the debate.

Matt Walsh
They literally started tweeting out that he had a cold. I think what they meant is his body has a temperature. Because there is no. Okay, let's be clear about this. There is no substantive takeaway from this debate. None.

Michael Knowles
Wait a minute.

Jeremy Boreing
What about you buy the six handicap? Come on.

Matt Walsh
Yeah, come on. There is Trump talking about how we have h two o, which is exciting.

There was almost no substance that came out of this debate. I would take, I get rid of the almost. There's just none. I mean, like, nobody came out more informed and intelligent about the issues. There's only one thing they came out with, which is one of these candidates is an alive person and one of these candidates has been dead for months. Well, wait, I think, and this raises every single question. I mean, again, when I say that, I don't mean that Biden, you know, that Trump didn't clock him on actual issues. I mean, he did. Trump clocked the living crap out of him on immigration. That was really the big one. He just kept punching him, punching him. He clocked him on the Middle east, punched him and punched him. Unentitlements, even unentitlements there. It's. Debates are moments, right? That's what they are. Four years on, you don't remember the whole debate. Remember the policy. You remember the moments. You remember Mitt Romney being told by Barack Obama in 2012 that the eighties called and they want their foreign policy back. Or you remember Donald Trump saying in 2016 to Hillary Clinton that if I were president, you'd be in jail. Or you remember Biden in 2020 saying to Trump that he should shut up in this one. The only takeaways, the only moments are Trump saying one. I have no idea what the hell you just said at the end of that sentence.

That was a huge one.

Andrew Klavan
And I don't think you do either.

Matt Walsh
He said, yes, and I don't think you do either.

Him mocking the six handicap by saying he can't hit the ball 50 yards.

Michael Knowles
It'S all, the zingers were pretty good. Even when Biden said, I beat Medicare, said, yeah, you beat it to death.

Andrew Klavan
Even less than the zingers. It's Biden. The debate was over, really, from the moment he walked out, wandering out slack jawed, just the way he presented himself. The debate was already over ten minutes in when he tried to give an answer and he trailed off and couldn't even string together a sentence. What Biden needed to do was avoid a moment like that. Because as you said, it's really all about moments. There's going to be like one viral moment to come out of this. That's going to be the moment when he trails off and can't finish the sentence. And the ironic thing is that it was a little bit of the reverse of what we said, where actually we thought that Biden would come out juiced up on drugs and then he would trail off at the end.

He actually improved a little bit in the final 30 minutes. A little bit.

Matt Walsh
He was still, I agree with you.

Andrew Klavan
But it doesn't matter because by that point, it was over.

Matt Walsh
I have a neuroscientist friend, a brain surgeon, who is texting me during debate, and he said, they probably hit him too close to time. They probably shot him up too close to time. He needed a little lead time. And so what ended up happening is you saw it, he trailed off at the end. Also, his closing statement, he was dead again, but he had a 35 minutes lucid period, which happens in stage three, stage four dementia. But again, the takeaway from this is that this man is not fit to be president. And you can see it from every, it's not us saying it, it's Democrats. If you go on Twitter right now, Casey Hunt at CNN is saying this thing is over for Biden. Nick Kristoff at the New York Times, I mean, look at what Casey Hunt says. The voice, open mouth look and visual contrast between President Biden and former President Trump all have Democrats I'm talking to nearly beside themselves watching this debate. Nick Kristoff is openly calling for Joe Biden to step out of the race at this point. But here's the thing. Ain't no mechanism for getting rid of him because if he doesn't step out, those delegates have already been assigned, the primaries are over.

Jeremy Boreing
I have to say that, first of all, I'm not sure there was no substance. I thought when Biden said.

Ben Shapiro
I'd never heard a president say it was amazing.

Jeremy Boreing
But also, I disagree with this thing that people take away the zingers because the press pushes that idea on us. But I think people are a lot smarter than that. There wasn't a lot of substance in this debate, but there was a lot of leveled accusations by Trump that were absolutely true. The things he said about Trump, about Biden in Afghanistan, the things he said about Biden on the border, these are true. These are true statements. And Trump, you know, they come out in this trumpian way, but they're absolutely true.

And the fact that Biden was completely gone and, you know, the fact that he zoned back in a little bit, but he didn't zone back into, like, living level, you know, it was kind of that moment before a guy passes away when he has a moment of.

Ben Shapiro
Or the moment after.

We're going to get into all the questions that this raises, and it really does. I mean, I don't think we've ever walked out of a debate. First of all, we've never seen a presidential debate that happens before the party conventions when it's still possible to make an effort to replace one of the candidates. And it's almost impossible to imagine at this point that there isn't an effort to remove Joe Biden. Whether or not that's possible is the kind of thing that we should get into. We're going to be taking questions also from our Dailywired.com dot members. Head over to Dailywired Plus.com right now and become a member. If you're not one, use promo code debate for 30% off.

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Matt Walsh
He's toast. I mean, Biden is toast. It's like he loses.

Like what can change that would now allow him to recover? Other than Trump actually having health crisis.

Michael Knowles
Legitimately, they could imprison Trump or home imprisonment.

Jeremy Boreing
I think that's cure the victory.

Matt Walsh
I agree. Because now it looks as though they'll do anything in their power to stop Trump from being elected. So he gets imprisoned after this. And it looks like you want this dead guy in there so you're willing to imprison.

Quick final note on the debate that I think is worth noting. This format actually is kind of great ever to make. And the moderators, fine. Moderators, they were fine. They did a good job. They did a good job. They asked some left wing questions. They asked some questions that were pretty pointed of Biden. They gave people room to speak. They didn't feel the necessity to jump in and sort of fact check Trump but not fact check Biden. Like actually kind of great.

Jeremy Boreing
Yep, kind of great.

Michael Knowles
To your point, Ben, on Casey Hunt, Casey Hunt is actually an important figure in how to process this debate because look, Jake Tapper and Dana Bash were on that stage, too, and they're CNN anchors, but they did a good job and they seemed kind of moderate. Whatever. When we watched Romney versus Obama, we would say, oh, Romney won that debate. And the Democrats would say Obama won that debate. Casey Hunt is not Jake Tapper and Dana Bash playing the moderate in this debate. Casey Hunt is a huge lib. She is like a libs lib over at all the lib networks and she's worked for a lot of them. And she is admitting, and every honest leftist in America is admitting because you.

Jeremy Boreing
Have to at some point, if you don't admit it, you become the buffoon, and they're not gonna sell their career for anybody.

Matt Walsh
Can we just say this thing devolved? I mean, it did. I mean, like, the first 40 minutes were better, and then it got worse, and then at the very end, it just turned into two old men arguing about their golf game.

Ben Shapiro
That was the best part. That was one of them, like, gruel.

Matt Walsh
And nearly dying in his closing statement. But the Trump actually, for the first 40 minutes, was the most disciplined candidate he has been for ten years. This is the Trump. Everybody was sort of like, if he could just contain himself, if he could just stop himself, like, you guys were in the room with me. But for those who couldn't see me, when he gave his answer, original answer, on January 6, I nearly jumped out of my seat because he did the thing he needed to do. They asked him about January 6, and he said, on January 6, inflation was low. On January 6, we didn't have massive crime and massive illegal immigration. The Middle east wasn't on fire. Ukraine hadn't been invaded. That's what was happening on January 6. That is such a phenomenal misdirect.

It's such a great reshifting of the actual answer. And then, you know, they followed up and he said some stuff about January 6, but he did that a couple of times. They asked him about retribution, and he said, my best retribution is success. That's a great answer, right? This is a contained Trump. This is the first time, honest to God, I think we may be in the only cycle where Trump either thinks he's going to win or thinks it is possible that he could lose. So in 2016, I think that for nearly the entire cycle, he thought he was going to lose. And so it was like, let it all hang out, man. Just let your freak flag fly and go for it. And then in 2020, I think he felt like, you know what? There's no way I can possibly lose to this guy. And then, and then he didn't win. And this time, he's looking at the polls and he realizes, if I show, like, one iota of discipline, I will be president again. And if I win again, that makes me one of the most historic presidents in the history of the world, historic state. I mean, it's an unbelievable thing. And, you know, a good president lose and come back is crazy.

Jeremy Boreing
The other thing about Trump that I've been saying for years, and no one will believe this, but it's true, is he learns stuff he does more than other people his age and more than most politicians. He changes.

Matt Walsh
You know, he responds to incentive structures.

Jeremy Boreing
What's that?

Matt Walsh
He responds to incentive structures?

Jeremy Boreing
Yes. Well, he. Well, that's unfair. I think that's. That's a form of law, actually. No, I think. I think he actually learns how to do stuff. Look, the guy is an amazingly successful man. This is a guy who has been on the top of the real estate business in New York. Very top, top of tv, very tough. Won the presidency on his first time out. Very tough. This is a guy who knows how to do things. And I'm sorry, you know, there are times when I don't like him. There are times when he acts in ways that I wish he wouldn't. But you have to respect the guy. He does know what he's doing. And he saw, you know, the one thing that they say happens to every president is when he comes into office, he finds out things are actually as bad as he said he was, said they were. And it's always a shock. And I think the thing about Trump is he kept saying the government is corrupt. I don't think he knew how bad it was until the RNC turned against him, until he was littered with people trying to overturn and block his presidency. Now he knows and he does not forget this stuff, and he incorporates it in what he does. And I think to talk about him like he's some kind of animal responding to his incentives is not right. This is a smart man.

Matt Walsh
No, when I say he's responding to incentives, what I mean is he can read the political room well, yeah, okay. Which probably.

And that is a form of learning because for a long time, he couldn't. For a long time, it was like, okay, I'm just gonna say the thing that I want to say when I feel like saying it.

Jeremy Boreing
Cause he worked and he went.

Matt Walsh
Right, because. And so he realizes, and his entire team was telling him, everyone was telling him, if you hem it in, you're gonna win. And he paid attention and then he did it.

Ben Shapiro
Well, there's this other thing you have to remember, which is that he didn't think. He didn't run in 2016 to win. He didn't think he was going to win. He, of course, ran in 2020 to win and thought he was going to win. That's a completely different. He's running a 2024 knowing that he has to win because they have arrayed the entire justice system against him. And should he not be victorious in November, there's a very good chance that the guy spends a significant part of the rest of his life they'll banish.

Michael Knowles
Him to St. Helena. I mean, this, and he's been president. And this is why, to the points we're all hitting on, you know, this answer was really good. And this was the perfect answer. One answer that I have been championing for years now. And I am so elated that Trump gave it was on foreign policy. And, you know, the world will be set on fire if Trump wins. And Trump can say, look, you keep putting all this Putin russian nonsense on me. Well, when Bush was president, Putin took land. When Obama was president, Putin took land. When Biden was president, Putin took land. I'm the only president of the last 20 years that Putin hasn't taken more land under. The proof of the pudding is in the tasting the fact that this man was president. We can compare just three years ago how things were. That is an amazing and undeniable fact.

Jeremy Boreing
Yup.

Andrew Klavan
His answer's on abortion. I thought also I didn't, obviously, I don't agree with the stuff about giving to the states, but he did pivot back to the Democrats extremism on abortion. That's exactly what he should be doing. I think we even saw in this debate where he started, it's exactly that January 6 moment. He gave the great answer. Then they came back to him and he started getting defensive. And then it was shortly after that where he actually said the phrase, which you should never say in a debate of I didn't have sex with a porn star.

Ben Shapiro
101.

Andrew Klavan
And that's when he starts getting defensive. And it's like when things get rocky, goes into the commercial break, comes out and it seems like he's focused again and then he gets off on the golf game thing. But that was, but that was charm.

Michael Knowles
Because then he said, he said, look, the biggest lie you've said tonight, you're six over par or whatever. It's not true. I've seen you swing, but let's not act like children.

Matt Walsh
Great.

Again, the only takeaway from this, and apparently CNN is having a full scale meltdown in real time. So after this show, make sure that you tune in for the live filling of the leftist Sears tumblers from the anchors over at CNN. Apparently they're talking about full scale meltdown inside the Democratic Party at this point. Which brings us back to the question, what happens next that you asked earlier and then I avoided.

And so it really is a process question. Is there a process that exists to get rid of this guy? And the answer is no, there's not a process to get rid of this guy. You cannot oust him unless you were to convince an enormous number of delegates who are already pledged by Democrat party rules to actually vote for him at the convention. How do you do that? The only way that this would happen is somebody gets in Joe Biden's ear and they say to him, you need to step down. Is Joe Biden. I don't see how that works. I don't. I think this man is. I think he's addled so much so that he thinks, I can either go out in disgrace or I can go down swinging. But no one achieves the presidency and then walks away. No one. By the way, you can't get 80 year old men to walk away from companies they've built when the company's collapsing from underneath their feet.

Andrew Klavan
You can't get them to stop driving.

Matt Walsh
That guy has a driver's license, by the way. He's driving around a Corvette. Whoa. Watch out on the roads in Wilmington, my friends.

I don't see a process for getting rid of him. I think that's wishful thinking.

Honestly, the only question I think at this point is, does he actually die before the election? I mean, he looks like death.

Andrew Klavan
I think what Democrats are going to do, because they can't get rid of him, you're right. It's, they're going to pivot to 2028 and they're going to say, okay, what can we do? Trump's going to win. What can we do while he's in office to undermine him and make him so he can't do anything lame duck president. Use the systems we have in place to totally undermine him and pivot to 2028. They're not going to say that, but I think that's going to be the strategy.

Ben Shapiro
Well, this may be true. You said there isn't a mechanism by which they can force him out. That, of course, is true.

He would have to step aside. And they have problems if he steps aside, because if he steps aside, the presumptive Democrat nominee is Kamala Harris. And I don't think, on one hand, it's very hard to imagine that she makes it through the convention as the nominee. At the same time, it would be very difficult. There's a trap of their own making. Democrats setting aside who would be the first black woman to be president in favor of whom?

Matt Walsh
Gavin Newsom.

Ben Shapiro
Gavin Newsom, the whitest of white men.

That's a real challenge.

I've said for months, I think there's always been a 30% chance that Michelle Obama was the next president.

Matt Walsh
That's the undertaker's music.

Ben Shapiro
She is. There she is there.

She is the solution to the problem, because it is a problem. What if Joe did step aside now? You still have a giant problem. Michelle Obama is the obvious solution to that problem. And I don't know that she's defeatable.

She wouldn't actually run. It would be like unanimous decree at the convention. She would do three or four speeches. She would refuse to ever debate Donald Trump, and it would be a kind of coronation moment that would happen within the party. She says she doesn't want it, but so did George Washington, and he's on the dollar bill. And first in the hearts of his countrymen.

Everybody wants it. It may be true that Michelle Obama doesn't want to be president bad enough to run for president, but in this circumstance, she wouldn't have to. The only question is, can you convince Joe Biden to step aside?

Michael Knowles
No. This man. I mean to. Your .1 of you guys made it, or I thought it was you. I mean, it was. Ben said that the guy was elected before he was.

Ben Shapiro
Well, I made that point legally.

Michael Knowles
You made that point before he was constitutionally eligible to be elected. So all these guys are psychopaths who have been dreaming about being president since grade school, but Biden's been dreaming about it since he was in the womb. And so he's not going to give it up.

Ben Shapiro
But there is a way that he could give it up and save face, and that's what people are gonna be pitching him over the next.

Matt Walsh
You die the hero if you stepped out, because right now you're losing and the american people aren't with you, but you could save their.

Michael Knowles
Watch me do it. Watch me do it. I'm not gonna. You watch me do it. I mean, this guy, like, we political nerds, we love all these. Here's the way Bernie can still win. You know, we love playing out ten degrees out. I just think there's no way, given the democratic party structure, given this bizarre timeline of the conventions happening after the debate, given the fact that this is an historic election, because you've got a former president running for a non consecutive second term, given the Kamala Harris and the Michelle Obama and the Gavin Newsom, I just don't. I don't see any way.

Ben Shapiro
Do you think that if Barack Obama went to him and said, joe, you did it, you did it?

Matt Walsh
No. No. Because I don't think they like each other. I think it's the last thing that would actually get Joe Biden. Like, if Barack came to him and was like, Joe, I need you to step aside for my wife.

I mean, first of all, Joe will be like, why his wife? Why not your wife? I mean, she's the actual president at this point, by the way. This is the real question that we should all be asking, and this should be asked from the top of rooftops from now until the end of time. For three years, the media and the democratic party have been lying to you. This man is senile. He is obviously senile. He is obviously addled. And someone else is president of the United States, and it is nothing. Joe Biden, who is the person who is president of the United States, and why have you been lied to for three years by people telling you that this man is capable of carrying out the office? A week ago, you had Joe Scarborough on tv talking about how this dumbass was doing back springs and reciting Virgil in Latin upside down.

It's all nonsense.

Michael Knowles
He's clearly, you know, the literary illusion. It does make me think the only way Obama could go and convince Joe as if it's a George and Lenny kind of situation, you know, think of corn pop Joe.

Ben Shapiro
So we do need to talk about. I mean, as many.

As many of my son men references as possible for the rest of the night. But we also need to talk about bowling branch.

Matt Walsh
We do. So Joe Biden could use a nap. The good news for Joe Biden is that he can get a nap pretty much anytime he wants. But we can't all do that. Now. Listen, we've talked a lot about bowling branch over the years. We know bull and branch, we love bowling branch. I myself am a huge fan of their ultra relaxed, signature vintage washed and fabric sheets. Is something about that signature vintage washed fabric sheets that helps me sleep like I used to back in the good old age of vintage sheets. Michael, how's your sleep been?

Michael Knowles
You know, it's been a little tough on account of my third boy just being born.

Matt Walsh
It's true.

Michael Knowles
I'm not. I'm a little sleepy. Well, like Joe.

Matt Walsh
You might not be getting any sleep at home, Michael, but apparently you've had no problem at the office, thanks to our friends at Bowling branch. And I have the evidence right here. So for those who can't see, this is Michael sleeping at his desk, using his bull and branch.

Ben Shapiro
Did you take these pictures?

Matt Walsh
Well, I mean, I did have to have evidence for HR.

And then we also have, I believe, more pictures of Michael. There he is, sleeping at a meeting about Michael. Now, I would sleep at a meeting about Michael, but Michael was so tired that he just conked out watching his show, which, again, I also do.

Michael Knowles
I thought I was being more subtle about it there, but I.

Matt Walsh
Well, you look like. I mean, you actually look deader than Joe right there. You got like the weekend of Bernie's glasses on and everything. And then finally, yes, Jeremy's Cybertruck.

We weren't going to tell you about this.

Ben Shapiro
Jeremy, what did you do?

Matt Walsh
Yeah, well, I.

So, yeah, so there is.

Ben Shapiro
I gotta say, though, the bowl and branch look comfortable.

Matt Walsh
They do look comfortable. In fact, they are so breathable, it's like 100 degrees. So cooling. Yeah. No, he can still use the Bowen branch sheets. That's how breathable and cooling they are. They really are amazing. Plus, by the way, I will point out that he is wearing.

This is a proposal that I have made. A bowline branch is what I call the Shapiro sleep yarmulke right here. He's wearing that. So if you like that, then probably you should let Bowen branch know about it. They're not carrying it yet, but it is a proposal I put out there. And then this was literally just before the show tonight. He was just conked out in his chair, weirdly enough, it appears, using the afghan that I brought with me when I travel, which is terrible. So that is one of the things that I do, by the way, one of the best things about Bowen branch, they get software with every use. So at the rate Michael has been using them, we are reaching infinite levels of comfort very soon. Michael, why don't you just get Bowen branch sheets at your house?

Michael Knowles
Can I use a promo code or something?

Matt Walsh
Yeah, probably listen to the end of the commercial to find out. To tell you the truth, I was gathering these evidence. These photos is evidence to get Michael fired. But then we use them for an ad that actually generates revenue for the company. So, unfortunately, I actually just undermined my own cause by making money off this ad. Sleep better at night. Or if you're Michael moles shamelessly during the workday with bullet and brand sheets, you can get 15% off your bullet and brand sheets first set, plus free shipping at bull and branch.com ben. That's bull and branch bollan dash.com ben. For 15% off and free shipping. Exclusions apply to cite for details. And by the way, I'm not joking. I literally travel with this thing. This afghan is unbelievable. Absolutely spectacular. And again, I assume that Joe Biden will be curling up with one of these very shortly. Plus, like, a cuddly rabbit.

And, you know, and then later at night, someone will come in and change his bedpan.

Andrew Klavan
That was a great bit, guys, huh?

Michael Knowles
I can't believe. I can't believe Ben took all those candid photos.

Matt Walsh
Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, again, I've been trying to get rid of you for years. We may as well make some money off of you. So anyway, I think Drew had a point. Did Ru.

Jeremy Boreing
I did have a point, but I was talking about politics. Who cares?

Ben Shapiro
Yeah, no, this is the question that everybody, everybody in America is asking right now. Can they replace Joe Biden?

Jeremy Boreing
I want to raise just an objection to this. It's not that I think there's no chance of Michelle Obama becoming the candidate. I'm not so convinced that she's unbeatable. I'm not so convinced the american public will suddenly just fall in with that. It's such, you know, people are just smarter than the press gives them credit for, including us. You know, I think that people are going to look at that and see it's a game, that they've been gamed. They're being toyed with. No, because nobody knows who's running the country. And the country, whoever's doing it is doing a bad job. I don't think anybody should believe he's a doctor.

Andrew Klavan
If you're running on protecting democracy and then you just throw somebody at the public two months before the election, that's a tough, I agree. That's a tough pivot to make. And also the problem is there's no way for Biden to step down now. That isn't him stepping down in disgrace. Yes, he could have done it six months ago and just declared victory and be totally fine, protect his legacy and all that. But to do it now, he's just hobbling away in space and there's no way to do it now.

Matt Walsh
I'm going to present an incredibly dark alternative. This has nothing to do with who runs and who doesn't run. And it's actually not an alternative. As opposed to a very dark prediction. I've been making this prediction actually since January, and that was at some point during this election cycle, I've been saying that I think that Biden's going to fall down on the job and it's going to break the race open. And when that happens, the period between now and when Donald Trump takes office, assuming that he wins, is going to be one of the most dangerous periods in american history because all of America's enemies are going to move. If you're Iran, you move right now. You don't wait for Trump to get into office. You move now, right? You start coming out with your development of the nuclear weapon. Now, while Joe Biden is president, Biden is still delusional enough to believe that if he appeases Iran in some sort of way, that they will keep things quiet up till the election. Because when we say it's going to break wide open, we don't mean it's going to be a 60 40 election. We mean that probably in the polls you'll have Trump pop another four points and suddenly he's leading by seven or eight. And Biden will figure, okay, well, maybe it'll close up back at the OR. So whoever's running his campaign will figure that if you're China, do you blockade Taiwan right now? Is that the move that you make? Because you're like, I don't want to do that while Trump is president. Right. Things just got very, very dangerous and, like, more dangerous even than they are because the possibility of Donald Trump coming in scares the living out of the bad guys.

Ben Shapiro
Well, and even if there weren't an election, the performance by the sitting president of the United States on national television just now, that's a good point. Dangerous.

Jeremy Boreing
That's a really good point. I mean, I'm looking, I've been watching him for a year thinking, if I'm in charge of China, I take Taiwan. I don't see why they haven't done it. I guess the rules of engagement are so well set, although Biden hasn't been very clear about him. But still, I agree with you guys. I think that this is a dangerous moment. I think it's a dangerous moment within the country. Our enemies within the country are hysterical and radical, and the press has supported them for so long. You know, if we had six patriots in the media to just say, you know, even if it's Trump, we're gonna go with it, that would be a beautiful thing because I would like to, I would like the next time they ask Trump if he'll accept the election, I think you should ask the press, will you accept the election? Because they didn't last.

Matt Walsh
Ain't gonna be no second debate, right? That's the only debate.

Jeremy Boreing
I cannot believe I didn't believe in this one.

Michael Knowles
So how, but how does he get out of it? Because he already agreed to the ABC debate.

Matt Walsh
He just waits until Trump says something bizarre on social, and then he's like, I can't debate a man who hates, by the way, you know, it's a note that happened in that debate, which is totally, like, really insane. So you remember, obviously, Hillary Clinton declaring the deplorables. You remember this?

Jeremy Boreing
Yeah.

Matt Walsh
In this debate. Biden was asked directly, there are tens of millions of people who are going to vote for your opponent. You say he's a threat to democracy. Are the tens of millions of people who are going to vote for your opponent threats to democracy? They don't like democracy. And he said yes. He actually said yes. He just declared 75, 80 million.

Ben Shapiro
Well, he said, the more they know about him. Yes.

Matt Walsh
Right. The more they know about him. Yes. But the question wasn't about Trump. The question was about the people voting for him.

Ben Shapiro
That's right.

Matt Walsh
So that means that he is now actively saying that everybody in this room. Cause we're all gonna vote for Trump. I've financially supported him, you know, like, that. All of us are effectively enemies of the country.

Andrew Klavan
Well, he's not actively saying anything.

Matt Walsh
Well, that's fair. Fair.

He may have thought that he was just, you know, citing the Alphabet or singing twinkle, twinkle, little star, if you can remember all the words.

Jeremy Boreing
But he has been saying. But he's been saying that all along.

Matt Walsh
He's saying the opening is more cognizant. Yeah, but that's unbelievably dangerous. You wanna talk about divisive? You wanna talk about civil war kind of stuff, half the country being actual enemies of democracy.

He's always shied away from that a little bit. Right. He's always said, like, well, you know, there's these super ultra maga republicans. And then when asked about him, he's like, I don't mean you. I don't mean the moderate Republicans. You did the same ultra super duper maga Republican.

Michael Knowles
He did say Romney wanted to put black people in chains. So it does sneak out every now and again. Right.

Matt Walsh
But labeling like this is, by the way, always a bad strategy. And the Biden campaign, even up till now, has been basically labeling the american people stupid and unable to understand their own interests and terrible. And now he's labeling them threats to democracy if he loses. So what does that, what does that presage if Trump wins? And Democrats really believe that, like, the fascist dictatorship just took over, so in.

Michael Knowles
Favor of whenever any right wing candidate wins anywhere in the west, you know, be it orban in Hungary or Maloney in Italy or the Brexit passing in the UK, that's always the undermining of democracy. Because I think it was Vermeule made this point most popularly, that when the libs say democracy, they just mean liberalism or leftism. So he does that a lot. But you're right. I mean, this is such an explicit way to say if the majority of the american people oppose me. Democracy's over.

What does democracy mean in that state?

Ben Shapiro
And he still has a lot of other trials he's got to face. I mean, he said that with a.

Matt Walsh
Kind of glee after saying, how dare you threaten me with retaliation. He's literally threatening him on stage with retaliation. Again, that was one of my. I thought that was one of Trump's best moments, is when Trump said, my retaliation is success. I thought that was.

Jeremy Boreing
Yeah, that was great.

Matt Walsh
Again, one of his better lines.

Jeremy Boreing
And the attacks on the courts that have been going on in the press, basically saying, if you delay these trials until after the election, those are bad decisions. I mean, this is, this is really, I mean, this is the worst thing about this administration has been the, what they call it, lawfare. But it's really, you know, third world.

Matt Walsh
Honestly, this discussion, it tells me, like, even the way we're all thinking about this, Biden is finished. He's finished. I mean, unless, barring some crazy circumstances. Again, we get why. Because have we said Trump's name, like, five times in this whole conversation? The question is, who is the election referendum on? If it wasn't a referendum on Trump, Trump was going to lose.

No one is talking about Trump after this debate because Trump was perfectly in line with or better than he has historically been.

Michael Knowles
He was good.

Matt Walsh
He was just. He was Trump, but he was contained Trump. And then he was a little uncontained Trump, and then he was contained Trump. And maybe a little touch here of some pepper of uncontained, but he was all well within the sort of radius of Trump. And meanwhile, Biden is like, as Matt said on Twitter, Biden is staring into the afterlife. I mean, that guy blinked seven times.

Jeremy Boreing
During the whole debate.

Matt Walsh
He looked as. I mean, it was like the end of apocalypse now with Kurt saying the horror into the distance. It's wild, is this look. And that was his normal look. That wasn't him being horrified at something Trump was saying. That was just his resting. It was his resting death is upon me face. It's like the look that you give at 03:00 a.m. when the Grim Reaper is coming through the door with the sin.

Jeremy Boreing
I wonder what they're telling him now, you know? Great job, Joe.

Ben Shapiro
Yeah, well done, mister president.

Andrew Klavan
He was holed up for like, two weeks doing debate prep.

Jeremy Boreing
Yes.

Matt Walsh
That was after seven days of rest.

Andrew Klavan
And they never even told him, like, close your mouth, when at least it.

Michael Knowles
Does since Annie, because we keep making all these literary references, you know, to Conrad or Virgil. I've had it Virgil, it does remind me there's a famous poem by Wallace Stevens, the emperor of ice cream. This is about death. And I'm just picturing Joe Biden with that ice cream. The only emperor. Emperor of ice cream. Goodbye, Joe.

Ben Shapiro
It is an amazing moment. And while there may not be a mechanism for unseating him as the nominee, you're gonna see a lot of pressure over the next several weeks.

Matt Walsh
And by the way, sings him, right.

Ben Shapiro
That's right. And conversations, I guarantee you that tomorrow night on the news there's going to be lots of conversations about superdelegates for the first time since 2016.

Matt Walsh
Yup. And I don't know what the media are going to do with this because normally in a debate like this, they're somehow like we're going to rip on Jake Tapper and Dana Bash or whatever. But here's the thing. The issue wasn't the issues. The issue wasn't the questions. The issue wasn't the answers.

Jeremy Boreing
No.

Matt Walsh
Right. For a month they've been pushing this cheap fake crap where it's like we've seen videos of Biden, like wandering off into the woods and being eaten by cannibals, or Biden just again, like falling off bicycles or not being able to climb into a coat or falling upstairs. Like we've all seen 1000 videos of him not being with it over the past couple of years. And they kept calling them cheap fakes. And it's all in your imagination and all this crap. What happens when the entire crowd realizes that not only does the emperor have no clothes, the entire media that's been protecting him has no clothes either?

Jeremy Boreing
Well, this is the thing that always gets me about the media. They have sacrificed during the Obama administration, they sacrificed their credibility. During COVID they sacrificed their credibility. I don't think they have any credibility.

One of the things I've noticed within the last six, seven months is people are getting better at parsing information.

We're all being awash in information. We're all getting hit like this absolute flood all the time of undistinguished information and people just getting better at picking it apart. I don't think anybody gives a rats what CNN thinks. I think we talk about CNN more than anybody else in the country because they're so funny and they represent that leftist bias. But I don't think people are getting their news from CNN anymore.

Michael Knowles
You look at the ratings, they actually, they're gone.

Jeremy Boreing
There's nobody's there. Nobody there. And I think people are being able to take the conspiracy theories out. You know, Covid was a turning point in this country that nobody has paid for and nobody has really figured out, how could we? It's too soon afterwards. But people learn stuff. They learn that the government lies. They saw them lie. They saw that the conspiracy theorists, sometimes we're in the right, you know? And I think that it's taught people, people get better at things. They adapt. And one of the things they have to adapt to is the Internet. And I think they are.

Matt Walsh
One of the things that I was just thinking a moment ago, and this is, like, almost blasphemous for me, but the wisdom, peculiarly enough, the wisdom of nominating Donald Trump over some of the other candidates in the race was made apparent tonight.

Jeremy Boreing
Yeah.

Matt Walsh
Not because Trump was, like, a stellar debate performer, because I thought that this was the best Trump has performed debate for a while, but I didn't think, like, this was a historically great performance by Donald Trump on the order of Lincoln. Yeah, exactly. It wasn't like, if you think of ideal debates, that was not it.

There was a lot of saying over and over, he's the worst president in american history. And the borders, okay, just on a purely intellectual level, this isn't something you're gonna be teaching in class. But the one thing that Donald Trump is that none of the other republican candidates is, and I'm gonna use the word here, and it's so weird to use this about Trump, is boring.

There ain't no new information about him. Ain't nothing. Right? Donald Trump is the most well known commodity in the history of the speaker. Three.

Ben Shapiro
We drank out of the fire hose of Donald Trump for eight years. Now.

Matt Walsh
Ain't nothing surprising about him. So you get that guy on the stage and he's just himself, and there is nothing for the Democrats to pick over. There's nothing there. Right? If this had been, say, Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis or somebody else, then it would have been like, oh, this is something new. This is something for me to dissect. There's a place for me to dig in right here. And maybe you open up a gap with the republican base. Or maybe he says, like, if Ronnis Ansis or Nikki Haley had said, I'm fine with the abortion bill on a national level, which he said in that debate, right, then a lot of the pro lifers have been like, what are you talking about now? But Trump says it, and we're all like, well, you know, and so what that means is that there is no place for Biden to go. And so the republican base voter, I think innately understood. And you could see it actually in the primaries. The minute that Biden started to sink in the polls below Trump, the republican base was like, okay, I guess it's Trump, because it was like the only case against Trump really was he can't beat Biden. And once it became clear that he could beat Biden, then starters become clear. Maybe he was the only one who could beat Biden. Because if he's beating Biden now and everybody knows everything about him, what new information could be added to that equation?

Jeremy Boreing
Same is true of the media, too, because they remember recently when that thing, somebody made an ad and the word Reich appeared in the newspaper and they said, this is hitlerian. You felt like, oh, please. You know, come on.

Matt Walsh
That's the feeling like everything with Trump is like doing this crap again for the thousandth time. Again. Really?

Ben Shapiro
So we have our very own Cabot Phillips coming to us live from the CNN presidential debate, or at least from the room next door where he was able to watch on a screen. But he has been able to talk to a lot of the people surrogates of the campaign. He understands the temperature in the room. Cabot, what's happening over there right now?

Cabot Phillips
Well, we'll start with the temperature in the room where the press were throughout the evening. At the beginning, they were stoic. Were, you know, all working studiously. There was an audible gasp in that first moment where Joe Biden lost his footing and was stumbling around. There was a out loud gasp. People were looking around sort of thinking, you know, can we even believe what's going on right now? And just to give you guys an idea of what's going on in the press, listen to some of these headlines right now coming out of the debate. Politico Dems freak out over Biden's debate performance. Biden is toast. NBC News babbling in horse Biden debate performance sends Democrats into a panic. Listen to the CNN Chirons. These are the CNN chirons right now. Dems saying we have a problem after Biden's performance tonight. And then again, aggressive panic for dems after Biden's performance. There were multiple CNN hosts on the left openly saying it might be time for us to remove President Biden as the nominee. There was complete pessimism coming out of this, but one interesting thing is that a lot of the Trump surrogates I spoke to and heard from, they were essentially saying, keep Joe Biden on the ticket. They had no interest in entertaining the idea of replacing him to that point. I talked to Congresswoman Elise Stefanik here's what she had to say when I asked her if Joe Biden is and should continue to be the nominee.

In your opinion, do you think that this President Biden will still be the democratic nominee by the time we get to November?

Elise Stefanik
He is the democratic nominee. He will be on the ballot, and we are going to defeat him this November and elect President Trump the next president of the United States. And the american people see crystal clear Joe Biden's failed policies, whether it's the border crisis, bidenflation, or his weak role as commander in chief, leading to chaos and weakened national security. This was an absolute, overwhelming knockout victory by President Trump against a failed, feckless and weak Joe Biden.

Cabot Phillips
Guys. The moment the debate ended, the floor behind me was instantly flooded with a dozen plus republican surrogates. There's Lindsey Graham, who was doing handstands. I never thought I'd see that. There was JD Vance, Marco Rubio. There was Doug Bergam. There was a litany of republican lawmakers who were just jubilant in talking about what happened. For the first 20 minutes, there was not a single Democrat surrogate to be found.

Right now, the only people I'm seeing behind me are Gavin Newsom and Raphael Warnock, who are doing their best to maybe push attention away from Gavin Newsom being the nominee, as he was doing earlier this evening when we heard from him. But the Democrats are very clearly, you can get a sense of how they feel about this debate based on the way that their surrogates are reacting. Here's again what Stefanik had to say when I asked her about the performance from Joe Biden versus Trump, and this is the general idea of what we're hearing from Trump surrogates.

The debate expectations for President Biden were fairly low. Do you believe that he exceeded or failed to reach those expectations?

Elise Stefanik
I'm going to correct you. The Biden campaign said this would be the reset moment for Joe Biden's candidacy. And what they saw is the american people saw a weak, horrible president who is the weakest president in our nation's history with the weakest performance, capstoning the weakest presidency with a border crisis, bidenflation, weak national security. So this reset will only continue to skyrocket president support in the polls.

Cabot Phillips
Thank you very much.

So you get an idea. That is what we're hearing from the republican surrogates. Again, only two surrogates that I'm seeing right now, they were very slow to come out. And what we have heard from the Biden campaign so far no one is trying to pretend that he did a good job. There are very few Democrat campaign officials saying this was anything but a disaster. All of their talk is about Donald Trump. The Biden campaign is now rolling out Project 2025 Dot, trying to direct people towards what Donald Trump will do if he wins. They're not wanting to talk about their guys performance.

Ben Shapiro
And, Cabot, we hear that Trump himself made an appearance in the spin room. What was that like?

Cabot Phillips
We have not seen. We've been running up and down. I have not seen if Trump has come in yet. I don't believe that he's made an appearance yet. He had hinted beforehand and his campaign had sort of said, well, depending on how they even goes, he might make an appearance. I think given how tonight went, that he almost certainly will come down. We'll get footage of that, get back to you guys. If he does join us.

Ben Shapiro
Well, just as surely as the dems will try to fire Joe Biden from being their nominee, I'll fire whoever wrote that in the teleprompter.

Gavin, thank you. We'll check back in with you here in a bit.

Cabot Phillips
Thanks, guys.

Matt Walsh
By the way, there is footage that has emerged of jill, I'm not kidding. Leading Joe Biden off the stage at the end of this. It is.

It is very difficult to watch. Like, truly difficult to watch. He can't walk. I mean, he's literally, like, stuck there.

Ben Shapiro
90 minutes.

Matt Walsh
Yeah, the stage is empty. There's no one there. There's no place where he has to go. And she's up there. I mean, sad. Like, honestly, as somebody who wants Joe Biden not to be president anymore, I think he's an awful president. I think he's a bad person.

Jeremy Boreing
It was tough to watch that debate. I mean, I don't. I think Biden has been looking awful president, and I think he's a terrible guy. But, you know, you don't want to see human beings suffer.

Michael Knowles
It's tough because we love our grandparents.

That's actually why.

Jeremy Boreing
Cause you think I'm in human being. Your guy's crumbling. He should be home.

Matt Walsh
It's elder abuse.

Honestly. God, what we're watching right now is elder abuse.

Jeremy Boreing
It is. Yes.

Michael Knowles
Look, I still. I know I was making fun of everyone for saying maybe it'll be this candidate or they'll replace him with this, but I still maintain he's the nominee. And you could hear how giddy Elise Stefanik was. No, no, he's a nominee. No take backs. No take. You got him. But I am much less confident in that view than I was 2 hours ago.

If there is a chance to get rid of him, every Democrat will do it.

Ben Shapiro
Yeah, they're going to, including Jill Brent. They are going to mobilize.

Matt Walsh
Yeah. The going conspiracy theory now is that the DNC knew that he was this bad and they set up the early debates that they still have time to get rid of him.

That's the going conspiracy theory of the day. But I will say that the Republicans are being smart in how they're approaching this. Stefanik's response is there, you notice the thing she didn't say is he's seen Alan, not with it.

And that's what Republicans should do from here on out. They should just, they should just clock him over and over on his policy and let the american people notice the thing. They don't have to say the thing. Just let them notice it. I agree with you. Everybody notices it. You don't have to say that he's senile. You don't have to say like, we can all say that. But I mean, if you're a politician, if you're Trump, just don't say any of it.

Andrew Klavan
Yeah, yeah.

Matt Walsh
Just be like, he's terrible as a president.

Andrew Klavan
Why not say it, though?

Matt Walsh
Because once you start bullying the old man, right. Then it starts to look mean, as opposed to just letting people notice that he is nothing capable.

Andrew Klavan
But like we just talked about, it's a major national security issue. Like, this guy is literally senile. It's a danger to the american public.

Matt Walsh
I should correct him saying like that. I agree with you. Like, the way you're putting it is better as a national security issue as opposed to kind of like the jokes that we've been telling, which I think Trump will also be very, very tempted to tell because they're funny, of course.

Michael Knowles
I mean, look, he told an erection joke on stage, and it was very funny when he did it, the wood joke. But did you guys not catch that? It was.

Ben Shapiro
Oh, no, I, yeah, okay.

Michael Knowles
All right.

Ben Shapiro
No, he said, did we knock on. Whenever we get it? Whenever we get near it.

Michael Knowles
Yeah, yeah. Wherever we can find it.

Ben Shapiro
Wherever we can find it.

Michael Knowles
Something like that.

Matt Walsh
That's what you ran into that.

Michael Knowles
No, I didn't go back to the tape. I think.

Ben Shapiro
By the way, I didn't.

Andrew Klavan
Read that as an erection.

Michael Knowles
I'll tell you, the, you know, I know. Cabot said, I think Trump is gonna come into the spin room. He should. I hope he doesn't. I hope he doesn't have such a clean win.

Ben Shapiro
It was fake theater.

Michael Knowles
Take the win. You killed it, mister president. You destroyed.

Ben Shapiro
Well, this is the best advice that I've ever heard about celebrity is Jerry Seinfeld, who years ago said, go home, go home.

Michael Knowles
Go home.

Ben Shapiro
You finished the show. They clapped for you. Go home.

Andrew Klavan
I think the pivot I'd like to see Trump make here is I think you have to talk about the fact that the guy's actually sene, it's a real thing. We all know it.

But to pivot to a place of, like, concern where you're concerned for the country, but you're also concerned for this man, who this man is not well, and he needs to go home and be able to live out his days. And I think you could say that in a way that comes off sincere because everyone feels it. We all feel the same way. When you see, even though the guy's a scumbag, it is we all saying it's difficult to watch. So I think that that kind of messaging from Trump and from the republicans could actually be pretty, pretty powerful.

Ben Shapiro
So I want to play this clip, and it's clip number.

You know the one, they're in my ear. They said they know the one.

Jeremy Boreing
Oh, wow.

Ben Shapiro
And here it is.

Jeremy Boreing
Just read your mind, Leo.

Matt Walsh
Amazing.

Do you support any legal limits on.

Ben Shapiro
How late a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy?

Andrew Klavan
I support it. Roe v. Wade, which had three trimesters, the first time is between the woman and the doctor. Second time is between the doctor and an extreme situation. The third time is between the doctor, I mean, between the woman and the state. The idea that the politicians, that the founders want the politicians to be the ones making decisions about women's health is ridiculous.

Michael Knowles
So clip didn't make any sense in that he was trying to articulate the Roe system of trimesters, and then he inaccurately described the Roe system of trimesters. And then his final point was in the third trimester. He's trying to say abortions don't happen in the third trimester. He says it's between the woman and the state. And so I don't want the politicians involved. But you just said it's between the woman. None of it, not one bit of it made sense. And he's desperately trying to defend Roe v. Wade. You know, the really sad thing about the overruling of Roe v. Wade, which is the greatest political victory in my lifetime, because it reduced the number of surgical abortions.

The great tragedy that has come about because of just the state of technology right now is abortions have actually gone up.

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Ben Shapiro
And, you know, it's an important stat, though.

Jeremy Boreing
If you look at the. If you see the baby 100%, twice as unlikely to have an abortion just tells you everything, right? You just have to see it with your eyes and then, you know.

Ben Shapiro
And that is one of the aspects of the debate that we actually haven't touched on yet. For the first time in my lifetime, neither candidate for president of the United, neither party's candidate is universally opposed to abortion. And it's a consequence of the overturning of roe because republicans have been able to say that they were for, with exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother, which is always the boilerplate that they've baked in politically.

But with those exceptions baked in, every republican nominee in our lifetime has said that they were against abortion.

Michael Knowles
But in part, in fairness to Trump, it's because he got Roe v. Wade overruled, him and Mitch McConnell and the judges, obviously, that's what he's saying. Yeah. So his view is identical to Reagan's view. And frankly, I think Trump has more credibility even than great St. Ronald, because Ronald, when he was governor of California, he liberalized abortions. And so do I wish Trump would go further on the abortion pill? I certainly do. Do I wish Trump would go further on a federal ban? I suppose I do, though it does raise questions of subsidiarity and federalism and government. So I recognize that that actually is somewhat complex, even for the purpose of saving babies.

Matt Walsh
Pragmatic concerns.

Michael Knowles
There are pragmatic concerns, but Trump even made this point. I mean, this is what I love so much about Trump's answer.

He said, politics is the art of the possible.

It's the Tom Keene answer.

Jeremy Boreing
Right?

Michael Knowles
You know, you have to win. To quote cocaine Mitch McConnell, the winners go to Washington, the losers go home. And the guy, he's the first republican president to show up to the march to life. Reagan didn't do it. Bush didn't do it, but Trump did it for all of his zaniness and life in New York.

He got the judges who overruled Roe v. Wade. He's held the line, at least on saying, I'm pro life with these exceptions. Let the states do what they're gonna do. I hope he supports those conservative states when they do pass laws against abortion.

But it's a whole new world because Roe v. Wade was the law for 50 years.

Jeremy Boreing
That's the right answer, though. It is a whole new world. There was a fight to get rid of Roe v. Wade. It was a major, major thing, because to live in a country that says these babies, you have a right to kill babies, is to live in an evil country. Now we don't anymore. Now it's up to us. And you got to move back to that next to that position, that starting position, and change the culture. You have to change hearts and minds. I think people can do it. It's going to take another 50 years, maybe, but I think we can start to do it.

Matt Walsh
Yeah, I'm just, again, I'm repeating myself. I cannot believe the performance by.

I can't get over it. Honest to God. Can't get over.

Ben Shapiro
I actually want to pressure test our working assumption right now. The working assumption of the five men in this room and virtually every american right now is that the race is over.

And yet four months in Donald Trump's America is a long time.

There are political machinations that we can't quite envision.

There are, both men are beyond the average life expectancy of an american adult man.

None of us knows the future.

Democrats will. People in a day or two, have marshaled up some talking points.

It's very hard to get them, to get people to vote for Trump, even people who think that Biden is unfit to be president.

Does Biden still have a path to reelection? What is the path?

Jeremy Boreing
There's always a path. Because of what you just said, that nobody knows what's going to happen. Trump is old. Anything can really go down at this point. But at this moment, at this moment, if there's election for today, if there were three. Yeah, if the election were today, if there were 3%, 4% percentage points to win in this debate, Trump won them.

Ben Shapiro
That's right.

Jeremy Boreing
You know, things can turn around right at this moment.

Matt Walsh
And the reason I think it's more than that is because I don't think it's just that there are, you know, 3%, which is, you know, say, like 30, 40% of the undecided independents who shift over Trump the voter. If you are a Democrat and you just watch that, what are the chances that if it's snowing on November 5, that you're going to the polling place who is enthusiastic about voting for this?

Ben Shapiro
That was a very demoralizing. That was a very demoralizing.

Matt Walsh
This is so demoralizing. Look at this.

Ben Shapiro
This is what, this is Jill walking the president off of the stage.

Matt Walsh
Okay? This isn't, this is right after the debate. Somebody had to take this on their cell phone, obviously, because the media would not be allowed. This is one of the reasons CNN didn't want to allow the media in. Wow, look at this.

Okay. For those who cannot see or are listening or something, who filmed it?

Andrew Klavan
Speaker one.

Matt Walsh
She is, she is walking him down. He cannot walk down.

So my grandmother, who passed away at 89, this is how I walked her down the stage, like the last couple of years. Of her life. Like when she was walking down the stairs at our house or something. Like, there are two stairs. You know, when you have an older person, you gotta hold them by the arm, you gotta make sure they don't trip. That's how Joe Biden is walking. And he's freezing. He literally freezes on the stage and he's looking around. I mean, like, that video should also make you very.

Andrew Klavan
I've said this many times, that should make you very angry at Jill Biden.

Matt Walsh
Yes.

Andrew Klavan
Who's like the worst wife in America.

Jeremy Boreing
Every time I say this to my wife, she says the same thing to me. When have I ever been able to get you to do anything? Yes.

So maybe she can't.

Michael Knowles
Maybe just, I don't know.

Matt Walsh
I don't buy that for one single, solitary second. I mean, listen, I think that if you look at the history of Joe Biden's relationship with Joe Biden, I find it very suspicious when people get married to sitting senators. It makes me a little suspicious that maybe they like being close to power. I think every person in this room was married before they were rich or famous. That is certainly not true of Jill, who may or may not have been married at the time that she met Joe.

Ben Shapiro
This is also, though, why the entire mechanism by which we got this debate, which is that essentially CNN owns this debate in a way that we've not historically seen in presidential debates. It's not that there hasn't been a main broadcaster of every debate. Of course there has been, but this is different. This is a branded, the corporation owns this. This is a company debate. And the fact that they were able to keep any other journalists from being able to observe the comings and goings of the president of the United States and the man who would be president of the United States, is to keep us from seeing the truth of what's happening on that stage.

Michael Knowles
Yeah. Yeah.

Matt Walsh
At the behest of the Biden campaign, right?

Ben Shapiro
That's right.

Matt Walsh
Okay, here's the thing. Joe Biden set every single rule of that debate.

Jeremy Boreing
Yep.

Matt Walsh
Every rule. The New York Times reported this.

Jeremy Boreing
And here's Trump for grabbing the opportunity. You know, that's right. Mister Trump for his incredible self confidence.

Michael Knowles
Yes.

Jeremy Boreing
And just saying, bring it on.

Matt Walsh
I don't care.

Jeremy Boreing
Jake Tapper. I don't care. Calls me Hitler. Bring it. He's the moderator. Great. I mean, that's Trumpian in the best possible way.

Matt Walsh
He's strategically smart. Right? So apparently. So what he said is, when they asked him, why did you just accept it? He said, because they didn't want me to.

Jeremy Boreing
Right.

Matt Walsh
Because what they were hoping is that he would start negotiating. And he knew because he's a negotiator, I mean, he is really good at this, that if he countered, they would use that as an excuse to suggest.

Michael Knowles
He'S trying to get out.

Matt Walsh
He's trying to get out of it.

Jeremy Boreing
Yeah.

Matt Walsh
And then he would be the weakling. So instead he just said yes. And they were like, okay, well, then I guess we'll set all the presets. And then they proceeded to set the most beneficial set of presets for Donald Trump in any debate ever.

In any debate ever, the muting of the microbial inadvertently was the best thing for him that could have possibly happened.

Jeremy Boreing
Yep.

Ben Shapiro
Yep.

Matt Walsh
Again, like, the less you see and less you hear of Donald Trump, Donald Trump is pepper, not salt. Right. And like, some pepper in the soup is great. The whole soup made of pepper. It ain't that great.

Michael Knowles
To Jeremy's point, though, this is dangerous. It is dangerous that CNN controls it. And it's kind of ironic for us conservatives, because we've spent decades, we collectively, the conservatives, arguing for privatizing stuff. Cause the government screws a lot of stuff up. And there's plenty of truth to that, and there's plenty of argument to deregulate and to privatize certain things. But it has come back to bite us when it comes to big tech. The fact that we privatized the public square. Well, now three big liberal oligarchs control the public square, and they censor us a lot of the time. The fact that we. Well, now that we're privatizing presidential debates.

Jeremy Boreing
Yeah, this, I've been.

Michael Knowles
But this one didn't bite.

Jeremy Boreing
I've been saying this for years, though. New rules, new technology, new rules. I mean, I think that this is, this thing with information flowing at the rate it's flowing, it needs to have, you need to set some rules. And it was one thing when it was building up, and they said, okay, we're going to let you be editors, but also not editors and all that stuff. Okay, fine. That's the way you build up, you know, industries. But now it's time to start to set some rules where they cannot do this. And, you know, I thought it was a shame the Supreme Court let that case go by where they didn't slap the government, the garment thing. But it was a technical decision, and that standing decision is always kind of questionable. They didn't really settle the matter of it. I think that there's got to be a way to stop the government from, you know, bullying social media. But there's also got to be a way of the social media just not shutting people down because they disagree with you.

YouTube is the town square. I'm sorry. They are not just a private company anymore.

It ends. There's something we're not taking into account. It's like not setting new work rules. Once you invent the factory, you have to say, no, kids can't work in a factory for 10 hours. If you're eight years old, you shouldn't be in a factory. Government does have a role in life, and one of them is making. Making sure that the playing field is fair. And right now it's not, because the social media is out of control.

Ben Shapiro
Truly the least fair today that it's ever been taken. It's the least fair today that it's ever been. I mean, what's happened at the social media companies over the last six months is truly remarkable.

They have cut off the majority of our access to our audience.

Jeremy Boreing
It's ridiculous.

Ben Shapiro
Which is why I know it's a shameless plug, but it is absolutely serious. We, you must subscribe if you want the Daily Wire to continue to exist.

Jeremy Boreing
Right?

Ben Shapiro
Because Facebook particularly and YouTube have taken away 90, 90% of our reach over the last six months going into this election. They cannot have another Trump victory be blamed on them. I mean, Elizabeth Warren and others drug Mark Zuckerberg before Congress, before the Senate, and said, we're going to break you up as a monopoly because Donald Trump won in 2016.

And social media, the lesson is fine. We're not going to let that happen. And for that reason above all others, although there are others, we're so grateful to our daily wire, plus members who empower us to have these conversations. In fact, we should take some questions from some of them. Here's one now.

Trump is six foot three. Biden is six foot. Is Biden wearing special shoes? How's he appearing slightly taller on.

Jeremy Boreing
They don't have the sky rise toward heaven. I think that's what.

Michael Knowles
Is that where he's going?

Matt Walsh
He's wearing those, like, elderly people.

Ben Shapiro
He is, isn't he?

Matt Walsh
So those are probably a little thicker than usual, right?

Michael Knowles
That strip gives you half an inch at least.

Matt Walsh
Yeah.

Also, I mean, camera angles.

Andrew Klavan
I'm just saying, they don't have this guy in, like, heels. There's no way they could. He could.

Ben Shapiro
No, but I think Finn's right. I think they have him actually in.

Matt Walsh
Give them the moon shoes.

Ben Shapiro
Moon shoes.

Jeremy Boreing
Moonshoes.

Michael Knowles
Wow.

Ben Shapiro
Make it a little harder for him to fall.

Which topic, subject do you think, which topic, subject do you think each candidate did best in Trump golf grammar?

Jeremy Boreing
For Biden? I think.

Andrew Klavan
I mean, we talked about the liberal art. That's a question for Biden. Did Biden have one good moment in 90 minutes?

Ben Shapiro
He had a couple of answers that were kind of in the middle when he, when he had the most pep. He had a couple of answers that were probably as good as Trump's worst answers.

Right. Things that we're saying Trump did fine. Trump had some answers that were really good, especially early in the middle. Trump was kind of not doing as well. And in that same section, Biden was doing his best.

Matt Walsh
Yeah, I mean, I think that the one area where Biden did his best is where Trump got defensive about his January 6 activity. And that really had less to do with Biden doing amazingly well and more to do with Trump shooting himself in the foot on that sort of stuff. But I thought Biden did okay there.

Not like, outstanding. But again, even when he thought he had an answer, he couldn't even get it out of his mouth. It's really hard to watch. Really hard to watch Van Jones.

And I will say, I know Van personally. Van is a super nice guy. He and I disagree about a huge number of things. Van was beside himself after this debate here. He was on CNN.

I think there's a lot of people who are going to want to see him consider taking a different course. Now, we're still far from our convention, and there is time for this party to figure out a different way forward, if he will allow us to do that.

But that was not what we needed from Joe Biden. And it's personally painful for a lot of people. It's not just panic, it's pain of what we saw tonight.

Michael Knowles
Oh, man.

Jeremy Boreing
Yeah.

Ben Shapiro
Brutal. Yeah. I've always thought that Van Jones is one of the guys on the left who is the most honest. Like he actually says when he's always.

Jeremy Boreing
Feel like they keep him in a cloud of Kool Aid gas and every now and again he breaks free, you know? Cause sometimes he says the stuff that comes out of his mouth, especially about race, is such nonsense. And then the other day when that synagogue was attacked in LA, he was.

Matt Walsh
Right on point again. I know Van. I'm friends with Van. Van is like an actual, like, he and I disagree about everything. I think he's misguided on some things. I'm sure he thinks the same about me. He's an actual, like, good person. And so, you know, when when he said, I mean, you can see it. He's having the same reaction on an emotional level that, I mean, obviously, listen, I want Trump to win, but the longer we talk about this, the more I actually just feel really sad for the country. Like, actually, sadeena, like, it's a little sad for Joe Biden as a human, as Matt was saying, like, I don't like him. I think he's a corrupt bad guy who believes bad things and does bad things. But this is the human condition. He got humiliated in front of 80.

Ben Shapiro
Million people, which also means America got humiliated in front of a billion people.

Matt Walsh
Yeah, that's right. That's right.

Michael Knowles
He's a thirsty fellow. I won't lose sleep over it. But I do agree it's sad for the company.

Matt Walsh
I mean, I agree with you. Listen, don't get me started on Jimmy Carter, who everybody says, crying, crocodile tears, overdose.

Michael Knowles
He might be the nominee.

Ben Shapiro
No, it's too mean to tweet.

Matt Walsh
No, you totally should have. It was so good. So good. Okay, I'm just gonna say what he texted me so anyway, and humiliate him. Say he texted me a picture of Jimmy Carter at age 100 and said, put me in the game, coach.

Ben Shapiro
That was sent to, in fairness, I don't want to take credit. It was sent to me by a friend, but I won't name them in case they ever want to show their face in public again. Were the polls similar going into the the 2020 election? If not, how were they different? It seems like, I remember Trump leading.

Jeremy Boreing
No, Trump never led in the polls in 2020.

Matt Walsh
Right? No wire to wire. Biden was ahead in 2020.

Jeremy Boreing
That was why.

Matt Walsh
And he certainly never, I mean, right now, he has a pretty even shot of winning the popular vote, like, going into the election. If you use him within two points of winning the popular vote, he wins the election because it means he's going to outperform in the swing states.

Ben Shapiro
How do you think the moderators have done? Have they been pretty strict with the microphone? I thought they were great.

Jeremy Boreing
I thought it was amazing. I've never seen moderators like that. I believe that moderators should be eliminated from debates. I don't understand why the press should set the terms of the conversation. I don't understand why their questions should govern the conversation. I don't. These are the guys who want to run the country. Let's say, you know, this is the international portion of the debate. What do you want to say? They should tell you what their priorities are. They should tell you what their plans are. Then they should shut up and let the guy respond like they do in Oxford at the debate. I do not see why they should be there. But if you have to have moderators, these guys asked good questions on point. They were tough for everybody.

They were well done.

Ben Shapiro
It was the first presidential debate. I'm trying to remember the earliest ones that I saw in my life. I think this was the most well moderated presidential debate that I've seen in my life.

Michael Knowles
They did very well.

Matt Walsh
And again, and if their question was answered, they didn't feel the necessity to like Hector, the candidate. They would just come back in and they would say, the original question was x. You have 47 seconds. And they knew they answered or they don't.

Jeremy Boreing
Yeah.

Andrew Klavan
They weren't trying to make themselves the star of the show, but I think that they did well, given the parameters of the debate. But I agree with you that, and these rules work really well for Trump, so that's great.

But objectively speaking, presidential debate, giving someone two minutes to answer a question about some really dense, important world issue is ridiculous.

1 minute to give a response is absurd. But this is the way presidential debates are done, and doing it that way. This was the best version of the president.

Michael Knowles
And in fairness, I mean, I go back to Herman Cain when he was running in 2012, and it was joking about ooze. Becky. Becky. Becky. Stan. Stan. Stan. Who cares who's. The president's not gonna make one job.

There is a point at which the president represents the people. He's the representative of one of the three branches, the spirited part of government.

You know, the fact that Trump speaks publicly at a fifth grade level, and he's spoken on tv at higher levels in the past, but he speaks at a fifth grade level for the public because he wants to reach as many people as he can. I actually don't mind the two minutes. I think, you know, if I want a university lecture on the politics of ooze.

Matt Walsh
Becky.

Michael Knowles
Becky. Becky. Stan. Stan. Stan. I could go find it somewhere on YouTube or at a lecture hall.

And no shade being cast on either of the candidates tonight.

Ben Shapiro
I did.

Michael Knowles
They have more than two minutes of material with any of these questions.

Jeremy Boreing
But this is, the press creates the situation where the zingers matter more than they should, where you're only supposed to pay attention to the attitudes and the faces that they make and the things that they say instead of listening to substantive debates. So it's a little boring.

Matt Walsh
At least you feel, well, I don't.

Ben Shapiro
Think I've said for a while no one should be president who can't go through an entire episode of the Joe Rogan show as the guest.

You should have to go sit there for 3 hours and be asked about the weirdest crap and aliens and DMT. Yeah. So that I actually know anything about you or what you actually think.

Jeremy Boreing
I think you should have to talk about what you would do. You know, like, Trump skates on these things. You know, Ukraine war would be over in ten minutes.

Matt Walsh
But what would he do to be fair?

I think that matters so much less in this election than any election in my lifetime. And I'm, and you know, I am captain. Like, I want substance. Give me more substance. Read a book.

Michael Knowles
Right?

Matt Walsh
Like, this is my entire brand because we already have seen them be president. There's almost nothing to say. We've seen what Trump did. We've seen what Biden does. Biden sucks at it and he's senile. That's the election, gang. I just saved you 90 minutes.

Ben Shapiro
Well, fellas, raise your leftist tears, hot or cold tumblers, as we play this clip from CNN.

Matt Walsh
I, too, was on the phone throughout much of the debate with Obama world. People, with democrats, with people who are political operatives, with campaign operatives. My phone really never stopped buzzing throughout, and the universal reaction was somewhere approaching panic.

The people who were texting with me were very concerned about President Biden, seeming extremely feeble, seeming extremely weak.

Jeremy Boreing
Wow.

Matt Walsh
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Ben Shapiro
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That one's mine.

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Ben Shapiro
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Matt Walsh
By the way, Drew is still like 30 years younger than both guys on the scene.

Ben Shapiro
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So the reason it's so heavy.

Michael Knowles
Yeah.

Ben Shapiro
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Michael Knowles
Yeah, yeah.

Ben Shapiro
So you started with a heavy.

Jeremy Boreing
So it's full of truth.

Ben Shapiro
Well, and the.

Michael Knowles
At first I thought you meant it was solid. Like the whole thing was just a solid block of gold, which would be worth like $900,000.

Ben Shapiro
Oh, wow.

Michael Knowles
This is heavy, man.

Matt Walsh
Whoa.

Ben Shapiro
Can I. Oh, yeah, it's gold plated.

Michael Knowles
Can I have this?

Ben Shapiro
Mathis is in my ear saying, no, guys, it's just gold plated.

Michael Knowles
Yeah, that's okay.

Ben Shapiro
We know it's gold plated.

Michael Knowles
Yeah.

Ben Shapiro
If it was actual gold, I wouldn't let this guy touch it. I mean, it's actual gold. But, I mean, if it was solid.

Michael Knowles
Gold, there'd be a Michael shaped hole in the wall. I'd be off to Tijuana.

Ben Shapiro
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Michael Knowles
This was a debate that your campaign wanted.

Matt Walsh
You pushed for this debate at this moment. And obviously, I mean, you can't honestly.

Michael Knowles
Say, I mean, can you say that.

Matt Walsh
You are not concerned at all having watched the president's performance tonight?

Elise Stefanik
It was a slow start.

Matt Walsh
That's obvious to everyone.

Ben Shapiro
I'm not going to debate that point.

Matt Walsh
A slow start and a slow finish.

Michael Knowles
Slow middle part.

Matt Walsh
It was a slow start.

Kevin Bacon now in Animal House. Everything's on fire behind. Pay no attention.

Everything is totally fine.

Ben Shapiro
All she's thinking is, I'm gonna be the first woman to let the first female president of the United States.

Matt Walsh
She's now doing the Monty Python parrot sketch. That parrot is not dead. The parrot is very much alive.

Michael Knowles
You know, we're laughing about it. Cause that's funny.

Matt Walsh
So you don't cry.

Michael Knowles
So you don't cry that the fact that she would even go that far, we're laughing cause she's so downplaying the fact that the vice president of the United States would admit on television to the biggest lib, sycophant, Vanderbilt, anchor of CNN, to say, yeah, you know, you got Anderson Cooper saying, that was horrible. And she goes, you know, Anderson Cooper.

Matt Walsh
In that clip is one of the funniest things I've seen. That's so funny. You can't honestly, but can you? But you can't really. Maybe you can.

Jeremy Boreing
Cause if he could, he would. You know.

Matt Walsh
Can you honestly say he's alive?

Jeremy Boreing
Yeah.

Michael Knowles
Wasn't so good, was it, huh?

Ben Shapiro
Yeah.

Michael Knowles
Well, slow start.

Ben Shapiro
Here's another question from one of our daily wire plus members. In the event that Trump wins, how violent do you think the left's reaction will be? Is there any hope of unity in an America that has been so brainwashed by the Democrat media complex? It'll be violent.

Jeremy Boreing
Yeah, there will be violence. I don't think they'll, I'd like to think it's not going to be as bad as all that because it only makes the Democrats look bad. And unless they're planning a full scale revolution. I don't think that they, I don't.

Ben Shapiro
Think, I think you're wrong. I think it'll be bad.

Jeremy Boreing
It's going to be bad.

Ben Shapiro
I think the Democrats, yeah, all violence is bad, of course. But I mean, I think that, that the Democrats don't know how to contain this thing that they have unleashed this revolutionary fervor that they've unleashed, particularly beginning in 2020 with BLM, right now, with the pro Hamas protests that are happening all over the world, but particularly all over this country, the Dems have unleashed this very cynically, starting in 2012, to get Barack Obama reelected after his very bad first term. And once you unleash these cynical forces, you can't put the genie back in the bottle, which is why there's so much projection. You're the end of democracy if we vote for you.

In a way, they're just projecting out the fact that they are actually doing all of these things. Trump tried to say it. He didn't say it very eloquently, but they burned down city after city after city in 2020.

Matt Walsh
This is Charlottesville. Every day with the Palestinians. That was a good one.

Jeremy Boreing
I have had this since we're making, making literary references to that. I have had this feeling that I'm in one of those novels like the Magic Mountain or a play like heartbreak hotel, where you're sitting around heartbreak house, where you're sitting around having tea and drinking a pair of tea. Well, the world war one is closing the end of civilization.

Ben Shapiro
Yeah.

Matt Walsh
It's Grand Hotel. Yeah.

As far as the violence, here's my prediction. My prediction is things are going to be so bad at the DNC. Holy crap. Because here's the reality right now. If Joe Biden were to lose, I don't see how you get out of bed in the morning and riot over that.

Ben Shapiro
Yeah.

Matt Walsh
Yeah. Like, it's like, I mean, we all saw it. Like, how do you get up and, like, I think that people start to get violent when they feel they've been unjustly deprived of a thing. And so if you are a far leftist, you feel you're unjustly deprived of the thing at the DNC.

Ben Shapiro
Right?

Matt Walsh
Like, how did you give us this corpse who's too moderate as opposed to, you know, an AOC type, some, some, you know, fervent left wing intersectional radical? And so I think that you'll see it. I think it'll actually be worse at the DNC than it will be after the election. Because if Biden makes it all the way to election day and he's still the nominee, and then he loses. It's kind of like, is anyone going to be super shocked? Usually, the violence comes out of shock. Right. I think that on January 6, for example, people were so shocked in the Republican Party that Trump had lost that they were like, this can't really be true. And in 2020, it came out of opportunism. But where's the opportunism? It's either shock or opportunism. So I think it's gonna be mostly the issue.

Andrew Klavan
I mean, we've seen over the last several months, left wing activist backlash against left wing institutions.

And I agree with you. That's what I would expect to see in this scenario, where you're gonna find the activists are gonna be going after their own, going after the Democrats for putting them in this situation.

There will be some violence, of course, but I think that's where it's gonna mostly be targeted.

Ben Shapiro
Well, I also think we haven't talked much about this, but the push to actually put Trump in jail between now and the election.

Your point earlier was, well, now they can't.

But that assumes a kind of rational thinking that they have not demonstrated up until this point. I think now they'll think they must.

Michael Knowles
Put on they are prosecuting.

It's not that rational.

Jeremy Boreing
The experts keep saying they're not going to put them in jail for this New York case, and I don't see why they wouldn't. I don't think they've actually gauged the level of their corruption.

Matt Walsh
I could see, if I had to put money on it, I mean, I agree they could. If I had to put money, I'd say they'd do some form of house arrest where he has to call his parole officer every time it is a rally or something. But even again, that's all baked in. If that's what they come up with, with house arrest, that changes zero things about the trajectory of this election.

Ben Shapiro
Here's a question.

The answer is obvious. Which DW host would have made the best moderator? Brett Cooper.

Michael Knowles
I actually would have to disagree. I think of all of us gents, it would be mad because the rest of us.

Andrew Klavan
I disagree.

Michael Knowles
That's why, and that's why you should have been the moderator, because I feel I'd be too excited. I'd be too in the tank.

Jeremy Boreing
I'd vote for Shapiro on this one.

Michael Knowles
But the thing you don't understand is really wouldn't care. He would be so straight faced and blase the whole time, he would have a damn near impartiality I think I.

Andrew Klavan
Wouldn'T want to do it. I wouldn't take the exact. You'd have to pay me a lot of money.

Matt Walsh
I mean, to be fair, the only person who could have moderated that debate is somebody who regularly plays golf. So show of hands.

Show of hands.

Michael Knowles
There you go.

Matt Walsh
All right. You have my son.

He's good. He's eight.

Ben Shapiro
Yeah.

Matt Walsh
Hit the ball.

Ben Shapiro
Yeah. Anyway, to the hosts, what, in your opinion, is a fentanyl detection machine?

Matt Walsh
There's a lot of stuff that happened in that debate that we're not going to talk about ever again. The fentanyl detection machine was, one. The discovery of h two o in the United States, in our very United States, h two o was discovered. Congratulations, gentlemen.

Ben Shapiro
One thing that we haven't talked about is just the.

Just the ease with which Joe Biden lies.

Jeremy Boreing
Oh, it's amazing.

Ben Shapiro
Like Trump. Trump is a yemenite exaggerator of the highest order. Yeah, yeah. Right. And that is a form of dishonesty. Of course.

Jeremy Boreing
Not the same thing as this, but.

Ben Shapiro
It'S not the same thing.

Biden knows, for example, that the fine people on both sides is a lie.

Matt Walsh
Yeah.

Ben Shapiro
For sure is a lie. He knows it and he says it as though it were true. Yeah, he knows when he says, this guy said that Hitler has good ideas. He knows that he's painting with the broadest brush possible to arrive at that kind.

Matt Walsh
How about, no american soldiers died on my watch?

Ben Shapiro
No american soldiers died on security. The border is secure. He just. With ease lies.

Jeremy Boreing
No, I mean, this is, you know, the word gaslight is now overused, but this is actual gaslight from the plague gaslight, where you're looking at something and the guy says, I don't see it. It's not happening. And Biden does it all the time. And he's done this his whole life. This whole idea that he used to be a better person, that he was somehow, you know, he may make mistakes, but he's a decent guy. He never was. He never has been. He's been a liar his whole career. He's been corrupt his whole career. They keep saying on PBS, they keep saying, there's no proof that he took money in the hunter Biden scams. There's all kinds of evidence. It's not proof because he hasn't been put on trial, but he should be put on trial.

Matt Walsh
Doing corruption for the sake of your son is still doing corruption.

Jeremy Boreing
That's right.

Matt Walsh
Even if it was just hunter getting drug money based on going on guy.

Jeremy Boreing
In 2020 shell companies, I'm not sure.

Michael Knowles
But he strikes me as a liar. I agree. The mendacity is breathtaking. And the fact that they accuse Trump of that because he talks about his crowd sizes. When you have someone like Biden who's lying about really crucial aspects of his biography and his political career, he strikes me as more than a liar, but a cynic. A cynic on the order. You know, Pontius Pilate has the famous line in the gospels, what is truth? That's what makes him a cynic. It's not that he lies. It's that he doesn't even care about the difference between truth.

Jeremy Boreing
And Paul says, I don't believe it's a thing.

Michael Knowles
In that sense, you might say Biden doesn't lie. He just doesn't care. He just says whatever is convenient.

Ben Shapiro
Well, it's going to be an incredibly interesting, I think, next few days as we see how the Dems spin and spiral and try to find their way back to some sort of stability. And listen, it could turn into the most interesting presidential election of our, well, not all of our lifetimes, but most of our lifetimes.

Matt Walsh
Noting all of our. Can you think of one that's more interesting than this?

Jeremy Boreing
Lincoln Douglas was big.

Ben Shapiro
We, I mean, obviously, historically, the conventions were much more meaningful because they actually cool. They used to be cool. And we could be in for an actual cool DNc.

Jeremy Boreing
Yeah. Yeah.

Matt Walsh
Battles inside an old man being propped up on a, yeah. On some sort of gurney.

Ben Shapiro
Yeah. And I don't know if you guys watched the first season of House of Cards.

Matt Walsh
Yeah.

Ben Shapiro
Not House of Cards, I'm sorry, House of the Dragon. But I mean, Biden does kind of look like the king.

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