Trump as "Pop Culture President," and Female "Rage Ritual Retreats," with Alex Clark and Mary Morgan

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megan ladies, welcome back to the show.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Love your talk.

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Thank you so much. It's like I got attacked by a shark, took out part of my shoulder.

Kamala Harris goes on with Jimmy Kimmel and has the nerve, the nerve to say this when the verdict was announced. How do you get that information rapidly.

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Are you watching tv or are you somebody relaying this to you?

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Well, that kind of news, usually it's a combination of, you know, there are tvs everywhere. I am if I'm in the office and then folks come in and are.

C
The people in the room pretending to.

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Not be happy or how does that go?

F
I mean, in all seriousness, a jury of twelve people, peers over the course of six weeks deliberated on the evidence and facts and unanimously determined guilt for 34 felony counts. The reality is cheaters don't like getting caught and being held accountable.

But, you know, the reality is, let's just fast forward to, again, November. I think the american people want to know that there is a president who believes they are accountable to the people.

C
That's the reality. Got it. Cheaters don't like getting caught. Alex, your thoughts on it?

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Well, we'll see what happens. I love how she said, you know, we'll see what happens in November. We will see what happens in November.

At this point, I don't think there are many people outside of New York City who really believe that that was a fair trial. I mean, wouldn't you agree?

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Oh, my, don't get me started.

I just think that the, the irony here, Mary, of the Democrats claiming the Republicans are upset because they cheated to win a presidential election is just too thick for me to actually get through without throwing up a little in my mouth. I like look back at Hillary Clinton, what she did with Fusion GPs, not to mention ruining Trump's first term with all of the nonsense. And then secondly, Joe Biden and the Hunter Biden laptop and the denial of it all. I mean, the nerve to turn around and say, oh, cheaters don't like it. And I got caught.

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Well, I mean, I'm not a political analyst, you know that. I'm just like trying to keep my head down.

And I also don't want to get you banned off of YouTube. There are limitations on what you can say about cheating and 2024 elections and all of that. So I'm just going to zip my lips shut and I'm going to throw away the key.

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Well, I'll say it, it's absolutely galling because if anybody cheated, it was the Democrats. It wasn't Trump. I mean, that's just a lie. You can say a lot of things about Donald Trump. He's controversial, he can be offensive. He doesn't always have an adult relationship with the truth. That's true of most politicians. But he's in a special class in some ways, however, he did not cheat to win the 2016 election. That was a lie that Hillary Clinton came up with to justify her pathetic loss. No one told you not to go to Wisconsin, madam. He won fair and square. You're the one who did your level best to cast him as a russian spy to get the feds onto him, to speak with Obama about spying on his campaign.

Shame on you. And shame on Joe Biden, because he was part of it, too.

Ok, so speaking of Donald Trump, he has done something that has surprised a lot of people, and that is he joined tick tock. This is the same president who tried to ban tick Tock, tried to force the ownership to sell, and Trump, I guess, has concluded, like, if you can't beat him, join him. And he's joined TikTok. Here's a bit of the first one he posted in SOt 20.

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The president is now on TikTok.

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It's my honor.

So he joined Saturday night.

As of Tuesday afternoon, he had 5 million followers. And the video he posted that I just showed there already has 77 million views. Just as a basis for comparison, the Biden Harris HQ, they're on TikTok, too. They have 354,000 followers, something, a number Trump passed in just a few hours. Pretty extraordinary.

Has 5 million followers. But what does it tell us? Anything, Alex?

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Oh, my gosh. It tells us everything. First of all, you have to understand that Donald Trump is and always has been the pop culture president. So the first time that I met him, I actually told him that. And he, I mean, he is the president, and he's busy and he's meeting a lot of people. And, you know, he's perfectly polite, but he's not really paying attention. I mean, you get it, like, when you're going through a lot of people in your meeting. And when I told him, I said, it's such an honor to meet you. You are the pop culture president. He paused, and then he looked directly at me and he was like, you're right, I am the pop culture president.

And that is why he terrifies the left, right? It's that he has his finger on the pulse of pop culture. He is authentically cool in a way that the Democrats couldn't manufacture in their wildest dreams for someone like Biden. And all he has to do is have some Gen Z er on his campaign, help him create different videos that have to do with different tick tock trends. He will become the biggest account on that platform. That will be huge for his election or for his campaign gearing up towards the election in November. So I saw Mike Cernovich, who I really love, on Twitter. He said, trump needs to do that trend when. When he's like, I'm a. I'm a political prisoner, so I. Blah, blah, blah. I'm a political prisoner, so I blah, blah, blah. He should be doing these types of trends, which would completely take over the news in a great way for him.

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What do you think? Alex is there? And Mary, because it's one of those things where, you know, I'm not a huge supporter of tick tock, but I also am on tick Tock because I want my message to be heard by these young people who are being. Being indoctrinated with only left wing thought, you know, maybe we'll get a few of them to see things in a different way.

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Definitely. I mean, the only thing I was wondering about is, why didn't Trump make this decision sooner? It seems like he was taking notes off of Vivek's decision to get on TikTok and appeal to Gen Z, and he was doing these collabs with, like, Jake Paul and stuff. And soon enough, like, Trump is already popular with Gen Z males. At the very least, he's gonna get, like, the broccoli haircut. He's gonna start, like, zinning. He's gonna wear the.

C
I don't know what any of those things are. Wait, help us. Only, what are those things?

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And I believe he will be the president that captures Zoomer heart through this medium. But I can't enjoy it because I've already been banned on TikTok twice, so I'm gonna have to watch from the sidelines.

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What'd you do? Why? What did you say?

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I don't even know what happened the first time. It's just if you make pro choicers mad and they dogpile your account and mass report you, you're gonna get deleted. And then the pop culture crisis TikTok account also got banned because I think I was trashing the mean girls reboot.

They got mad at that.

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Really? Were the Chinese behind it? That's the other problem. If the Chinese are behind it, you can get that crack down on you. But whatever.

They're almost as bad as the trans activists. Those are the worst. They constantly pile up on me online. I don't care. I don't care that I've upset you. Your mean insults are meaningless to me. If anything, I take them as a compliment. I know. You're just very angry because you're trying to be female and you're not.

Speaking of TikTok, the Biden Harris campaign decided to share with their 354,000 followers a message about a story that's been in the news this week. I mean, it's been in the news since 15. I covered this story the first time it came out and it's been revived now. And it's about Trump allegedly while he was hosting the Apprentice, allegedly using the n word in front of people and it allegedly being caught on camera. Like, I remember people saying this before the 16 election, like, my God, you know, this is it. Like, if that's true, he's done. You know, you can't, like, he'll definitely lose if that tape gets released. And then there was pressure on Mark Burnett. I remember Roseanne's ex husband, Tom Arnold kept saying, let's see the tape. Let's see the tapes. No tapes were ever released. And Trump said, Mark Burnett says that no tapes exist. And Trump says, this didn't happen, more importantly.

But now what has happened is a producer of the Apprentice who says he was under a non disclosure agreement. And NDA for the past 20 years has just seen the agreement expire.

And now he is making the media rounds because he's promoting a book in which he makes clear Donald Trump is terrible, that he was aware of it. He was a witness to it. It did happen. And he believes there is tape of it, though. Doesn't, doesn't know who has it or, and doesn't believe it'll actually ever come out. So let me just first show you what the Biden Harris campaign posted on, on tick Tock 21.

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Guys, you have to see this new report about Donald Trump. A producer on the Apprentice just came out and said that Donald Trump called a black contestant on his show this. And here's Donald Trump's own former assistant confirming that there's a tape of him saying it. I had an opportunity to go out in Los Angeles and sit down with a person who actually has a copy of the tape. And I heard his voice as clear as you and I are sitting here.

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You have heard the tape I have heard since publication of this book?

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Absolutely.

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So you know it exists.

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And I know it exists. Anyone notice a pattern here? This is the same man who called to execute innocent black men and spread racist lies about the first black president. Donald Trump is exactly, exactly who we all knew he was, a lifelong racist. Black voters kicked Donald Trump out of the White House in 2020, and we're going to do it again this November.

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Okay, just a couple words on that. He did not call to execute innocent black men. He made public comments in favor of the death penalty for the people who raped a woman in Central park years ago and did not specify the specific defendants, though there, it was believed that these five black men perpetrated the crime after they confessed repeatedly without even having been accused. They volunteered to the cops. Okay, I did this to her, but I didn't rape her. And then the. Okay, there's a lot of questions still about that case. That's all I'm going to say for now, because it's a deeper dive. But he did not call for the execution of innocent men.

That was Omarosa they played in the Biden campaign. Did. Who used to work for Trump. She also was. She came to fame on apprentice, and she made those comments back in 2018. Right. So Omarosa's had a long, difficult relationship with Donald Trump, and she is a very interesting and smart, but I think she would admit, difficult person herself. She's had a lot of relationship conflict. Okay. She had. She got fired by John Kelly and some explosive thing that happened inside the White House. My point is, there's some bad blood there, right? So that leads me back to the current guy who's out there making the rounds, and we'll play a sound bite from him in a minute. What do you make of it? Is this, like, a real story? Do you think this is gonna have any traction, in particular with young people, Mary? Cause there's a reason they put this on TikTok.

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I think it's obvious to everyone that this is an attempt at character assassination.

I find it hard to believe that that tape exists or that she heard that tape herself.

But, you know, we're in the age of believe all women.

Who am I to say?

And also, this is just a repeat of the grab them by the p word tape. Is it not? Like, I feel like this is deja vu of 2016 and it didn't work then, why would it work now?

C
That's a good question. The pee tape. Like, the infamous tape. There are three tapes. Well, that. That allegedly Trump had prostitutes pee on this bed in Russia.

The one that said Trump assaulted melania in an elevator, and that there was tape of it. No. Yeah, and this one, the infamous. And then there's also using the n word.

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There's a movie coming out, a biopic is coming out from Hollywood about Trump soon called the apprentice.

And it's interesting, the timing of it all. They're going to be depicting a graphic rape scene in that movie of Trump raping his former wife, who is now past Ivana in that movie. And by the way, that is a claim that was made in their divorce deposition in 1989, which she rescinded herself not too long after. So it's just a straight defamation campaign. And this is another example of it.

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Yes. Not, not surprisingly, that movie, movie, quote unquote, you know, documentary, was written by Gabe Sherman, who makes his living trying to take down prominent republicans. That's his thing. First it was Roger Ailes. That was his white whale for years. Now Roger Ailes is gone. So it's Trump. Here is the producer, Alex, who's been making the rounds. He went on CNN to tell us how terrible Trump is.

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And at one point, Carolyn Kupcher, who was the head of his hospitality unit and ran one of his golf clubs, sort of came outside herself and said Kwame Jackson oversaw Omarosa, who was brought back onto the task and created all kinds of problems for herself and other people all along the season, but was great tv and was kept around for whatever reason. And for that, Carolyn, kept your thought. Well, Kwame deserves to be considered for how graceful he was in handling this. And Trump seemed to have an issue with this idea all along. You could see him reacting and shaking his head, wobbling his head, grimacing, wincing, before he said, you have would America buy?

And he said the n word winning. And then I looked at Trump to see the reaction that he was giving, like it was some sort of joke. And he was still wincing and bobbing his head and he was serious.

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What do you make of it, Alex?

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Ok. If Donald Trump called someone the n word ever in his life, Megan, you and I know they would not have been saving that information for eight freaking years. It would have been everywhere. It would have been painted on every building, billboard, broadcast. And, baby, if that was a real thing that happened and there was a recording or any sort of proof, they wouldn't need to be doing this charade through the court system that they're doing now because that would have been the number one thing. This, that is the proof and the evidence that they have been wanting so badly for all this time. They wouldn't just be like, oh, yeah, it exists, you know, I've heard it, but it's not being broadcasted every, you know, in every single outlet 24/7 no, it's completely, completely fake. And I also want to point out how obviously scripted that tick tock was.

That person was sent a literal script, clearly from the Biden administration to read and was paid to make a tick tock. One of the Black Panthers founding members, David Hilliard, this week said that he is backing Donald Trump for president.

See, no one covering that. He called him an ally of the black population. But what is happening instead is that we're running with this fake, fabricated n word story for the umpteenth time. And I also want to bring attention to the fact that right now there is a reason why they are running with this fake apprentice n word story. And that is because what is really happening is President Joe Biden just gave permission to Ukraine to use us weapons to bomb Russia, which is instigating World War three. So all of this happening simultaneously. Also, while he's draining our strategic oil reserves to temporarily lower gas prices just so he can try to win the 2024 election. The Democrats do not want that to be the news. So they are talking about an n word hoax with Donald Trump for the 150th time. Give me a break.

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You know, later today, we have an interview with the editor in chief of Variety, Rameen Satuta, who's spent tons of time with Trump. This is Trump, cooperated with him and has got a new book out about Trump, including these years. And we're going to get into all of it. It's going to be fascinating. I've known this guy for a while, so I can't wait to talk to him about it and see, you know, what, what he learned. But, yeah, I mean, this is like, ok, is, if there's a tape show to me, because you're right, this would be the silver bullet. You, you want to bring down Trump's approval ratings. I know I sound like one of those people. This, this, if there's a tape of Donald Trump using the n word, okay, let's see it. Because this is the silver bullet that the Democrats have been dreaming about, and it's never been produced. I think the goal is to have us talking about it like you and I are talking about it, though they'd prefer we not talk about it in quite this way.

So, okay, that's that. We'll move on. But you mentioned pro life and pro choice a minute ago, so this story hasn't gotten anywhere near enough attention. Something extraordinary is happening here. And speaking of, in our first hour, we discussed how there's, you know, the feds, the, those who prosecute crime get to choose what they're outraged about. Right? Like they're really outraged about falsification of business records, but not so much when a Democrat commits a crime or, you know, when Hillary Clinton violates the law.

And that brings me to the latest. This is from the Washington examiner.

Okay. Activists participated in a blockade at an abortion clinic in DC. They described it as a rescue.

They used chains, bike locks and ropes to block the clinic entrance for more than 2 hours. And we've now seen tape and it does appear that they did that. It was not like one of those things where they were on the outside of the building silently praying. They were inside the clinic and they were playing, they're the praying out loud. So this is definitely against the law. But the question is what, what should be done about it? What is the penalty? And we're showing the video now. One of the activists, Paulette Harlow, was sentenced to two years in prison on Friday, which brought the combined sentences of the ten defendants involved in this incident to 23 years. Paulette Harlow, 59 years old. Nine were found guilty in jury or bench trials of violating the freedom of access to Clinic entrances Act and conspiracy to violate civil rights. A 10th defendant entered a guilty plea for one charge. So my question to you is whether the punishment fits the crime here, Mary, because they definitely violated the law. I don't think there's much question about that. But two years in prison for this woman who is 59 years old, does that, does the punishment fit the crime?

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Yeah, I saw another report that was suggesting she's in her seventies and her husband is worried about her dying during her prison sentence.

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Well, so here's what I'm convinced, here's what you know, I might, I think this is an old article, but in any event, you're right. Because what I saw was she was 75 years old. That she is 75 years old. Her name is Paulette Harlow. Regardless, my old article is wrong. Yeah, and they say she's in poor health too, by the way.

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It's just obviously completely gravely unjust. I don't think that even needs to be stated right now. But I just got reminded of this case in the UK where a woman was praying silently outside of an abortion clinic and she wasn't even close by, it was on a nearby sidewalk.

C
She was across the street.

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She was arrested for that? Yeah, she was arrested for that. Now ultimately she found out that she wasn't going to be prosecuted and she got an apology which like, thanks for that. Thanks for the apology. Like it matters. But obviously that's not completely analogous to what happened here.

But we should be expecting that for what's to come, because this is extremely punitive for no reason other than their political beliefs and our right to political expression is vanishing.

It is vaporizing in front of us.

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You can go outside of Supreme Court justices houses and terrorize them. You can terrorize them, which is unlawful. It's unquestionably a violation of the law, and that's fine, that will not be prosecuted. Alex. But if you go because of your sincerely held belief, and by the way, this clinic is the most controversial. For those of you out there who are pro choice, are like, well, this is the most, in my opinion, disgusting kind of clinic there is doing these procedures.

This guy, doctor Cesar Santangelo, ran the clinic at the time. Live action once recorded him during an undercover operation saying he would not help a baby. In the rare event the baby was born alive during a late term abortion procedure which happened there. And there's more about him. So, I mean, I understand she was violating the law, but there was a reason that this older woman went in there and did what she did. And now at 75 years old, she's going into jail in poor health. And the husband cried to the judge, saying, please, please, she's gonna die in there. And the judge said, oh, well, maybe. Maybe she'll just hope her way through it. Maybe she'll just be so hopeful about what happens on the back end that she'll live and come out and be free after two years.

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Yeah, the judge actually laughed. The judge laughed when the husband was pleading for a lesser sentence due to age and health of his wife.

Anyone who is center right is under political persecution in this country right now. I mean, that is the main, the moral of this story. One of these elderly women who's also involved in this story is now going to jail for several years. So she is who found what you're talking about with this abortion clinic. This is where the five late term babies were found dead in buckets in DC. One of these women found them. She is the reason that the public even knows about them. So everyone is upset. And the reason that these women are being treated the way that they were or the way that they are is because we were never supposed to know. The public was never supposed to know what was really going on in this clinic. And by the way, this isn't the only clinic in the United States where they're performing late term abortions like this, although this is the type of stuff they don't want us to know. Basically, we are told that late term abortion is a pro life hoax, that we have made that up, that, you know, that's insane. Nobody is aborting babies born at nine months or letting them die after they're born full term.

And then you have the 75 year old woman sentenced to two years in prison, her husband begging the judge to reduce the sentence because like we said, she's probably gonna die alone in there. The judge is laughing in response. They want to make an example out of all of these activists, the January 6 ers, President Trump himself. And I also want to bring it.

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Okay, ladies, so have you heard it's Pride month? I don't know if you're, if anybody's told you.

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Really? I didn't know.

C
Yeah. Shocking, right?

D
It's a, well, actually, Megan, your dog told me.

C
Yeah, my dog. My dog Strudwick, who was pulled into these culture wars against his will. It's rough, if you know what I'm saying. Very rough.

So you, it's one thing. Like, honestly, this started years ago. Like, I, I remember when it was like, be kind. Be respectful of gay people. Like, they have rights. So, okay, that's one thing. Um, but here's another question. Now it's morphed into something totally different. As, you know, it's completely vile and disgusting and in your face and raunchy. But why, why do the gays and the LGBTQ crowd, why do they get a month like we just celebrated, marked, I guess is a better word. Memorial Day, where we honor our dead soldiers. What they get one day.

Veterans who served their country honorably. They get one day.

Why did the tea crowd get an entire month of me having to look at their tucket, bathing suits and their debauchery on the streets of America and insist that my children participate in it, too? What kind of upside down priorities are these, Mary? Thoughts?

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Well, you mentioned that pride used to be about, you know, just being kind and respectful, regardless of everyone's sexual proclivities, you know, don't throw them off buildings, don't hate crime them and stuff like that, it's obviously changed, and it's. It's been different for quite a while now. But it was never just about kindness. It was never just about love is love.

It was always hiding something sinister and truly vile under the surface.

And this is trite. Like, I wouldn't be the first person to say it. Plenty of people have said it.

This is an inherently sterile movement. They are sexually sterile people whose only way of reproducing is to indoctrinate. And when you do that, you have to start as early as possible.

And, you know, if you think about pride underneath all of that fluffy, flowery language and just really think about the acts which they are celebrating, and I'm not going to get into graphic detail, it's disgusting. And everything about this movement is, you know, pressuring people socially to suppress their feelings of disgust and discomfort about these lifestyles, as they're called.

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The.

We've got examples up and down. But the mayor of West Hollywood, this guy, John Erickson, he had some thoughts, and this is one of the raunchiest, most disgusting pride parades that exist. Here he is talking about his favorite part of it in SA 27.

What has been your favorite part of this event so far?

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I loved going out there and seeing all the kids just living and being there with their parents of all shapes and sizes and just seeing them having so much fun and giving them fans and throwing candy and everything like that. And then truly just in a world like today, to have this right now, Fleming center, we need it now more than ever.

C
Wow. That's what they want, Alex. They want our children, and they want every eyeball under 18 they can get.

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Why does it always start with the kids? The kids, family friendly drag shows. I just. I never thought. I thought, obviously, there's something perverse about it. It never occurred to me until Mary just said that, that they are. They are sterile. They're not going to be able to reproduce the next generation of activists, so they have to corrupt the ones that you and I bring into the world. My mind is blown by that. That is just one of the most. Well said, well put, you know, descriptions of what's going on. Mary saying that, I can't even believe it. I mean, I can, but I can't. But it is so disturbing. If you start paying attention, you just, like, mark down. You just start tallying. How many times do they bring up, children.

It is shocking.

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Zachary. Yeah. Oh, here's another one. Here's a drag queen in Ohio. Not leaving much to the imagination on the plan. This is courtesy of gays against groomers that posted on X. Watch this. 31.

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I won't change your little town.

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Your own children will.

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Their children see us, your children will.

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Love us.

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And your children will join us.

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I don't think so. But they don't leave much to the imagination. Mary. Right. It's like, this is our plan. We're coming for your kids.

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No, they. They really don't leave it to the imagination anymore. They're confirming every day that the slippery slope was never a fallacy.

I just.

I think about the innocence of children as something that was supposed to be protected at all costs in any healthy society.

And you asked earlier, why do they need a month? Like, why do these people need that much validation and that much public celebration? And why do they need to be worshipped like this? And the answer, I think, comes down to the fact that these are deeply dysfunctional people.

List of comorbidities with identifying as gay or trans is never ending. They're more likely to abuse drugs. They're more likely to have suicidal ideation.

They are more likely to have been offended against sexually as children as well.

You know, they're more likely to be extremely promiscuous, to carry STD's, to also have domestic violence disputes when they are married. The list goes on and on and on. These are deeply dysfunctional people.

And also they need narcissistic feedback from everyone else. The whole point of all of this is exhibition. And people say, it's fine. It's fine if you just do whatever you want in your own homes, in your own bedrooms. It's fine, whatever. Who cares? You're not hurting me. You're not hurting my family.

But that was never the point. The point was always to go out on the street in your bondage gear and show everyone your micro penis. That was always the point.

C
I also want to say, too, I see a distinction between gays and teas, big time. I don't think I know tons of gays. I'm from the northeast. I'm from New York. They're. They're all normal, upstanding, lovely people. Some married, some not. It's the t crowd where things start to go south. Not all of them, but way too many to want them parading down your neighborhood. And there. There are real problems with mental health in that community. I see it as completely distinct from gays and lesbians, especially in that way, but it's in our face. And the problem is all these gay organizations, like gay rights organizations, which one, which, you know, succeeded in all their missions, have run out of things to do. And so now they're propping up this other group, which is other in profound and important ways. That's not to say, by the way, that the pride parades, even when it was just about gays, were great things because they were very raunchy and in your face. Even when. Before we got our trans insanity on, like now. Anyway, you were going to say something. Go ahead, Alex.

D
Well, I was just going to say, I think it's probably also deliberate that it's a month long celebration, not just one day, because we need the time to expose children and people to this lifestyle. Because the more you're exposed to it, the more you just live with it. Then your guard goes down. You're less repulsed, you're less shocked because you see it and are exposed to it so constantly.

And so I think that's interesting. And I also think your point of there, you have seen historically such a distinct difference between what is now the trans lobby and then, you know, lesbian and gays.

The loudest voice against the trans nonsense should. Should be the lesbian and gays, because lesbian and gays.

C
Look at that clip. That clip we just showed us from gays against groomers. Like, that's a great ex. Account. Those are, you know, I think there, aren't they two lesbian women? I'm trying to. I'm getting my accounts confused. But in any event, it's gays against groomers for a reason. Sorry. Keep going.

D
Well, yeah, because they understand that if we allow the trans people to keep running with this stuff, I mean, there will be no such thing as gays and lesbians because every single kid who identifies as gay or lesbian is going to be.

They're going to be castrated. That just isn't going to exist anymore. So if anyone should be outspoken against what that group is trying to do, it should be gays and lesbians. Honestly, Zachary, it's so true.

C
God. And you say use that word, castrated. That's it. Yes. That's what's happening. That. I mean, I don't know why we don't really use that word to describe what these guys are doing to themselves, but that's it. Exactly. They're castrating themselves with abandon. Like, and then the celebrating it and, like, posting about it on tick tock. Like it's something great. We talked about the RuPaul drag queen show, the other day where they had this woman who had chopped off her perfect, perfectly healthy breasts and then had, like.

Like, fake razors chopping off breasts with blood coming off of her nipples and holding a bag of bloody breasts. Like, this is like, this is serial killer stuff. That's beyond dark.

Here is just a bit. You can see the pictures here of what happened at the West Hollywood parade in our second video where they have no clothes on. Look at these men. Look at them.

I mean, I see penises everywhere.

This, I will say, is not unfamiliar to me. I saw this at the New York City pride parade for years. I don't understand. And I know there are a lot of gay men who also object, but, like, how is it that this is representative of pride? Right? Like, what piece of this? It's like, if you want gay rights, if you want equal rights for trans people, okay, why do you have to get naked and show me your penis? Like, how does that factor in to the cause? Mary, I'm struggling.

E
I think that if I had to sit in the armchair and psychoanalyze these people, the reason why they have to broadcast all of this and they have to strip down naked or nearly naked in the streets and show everyone how wild and raunchy they are, I think it's because, really, underneath it all, they are ashamed of what they're doing.

And we've all known people in situations where they're doing something they know is wrong, and they double down on it, and they insist to everyone around them that they're adults and they know what they're doing, and they're making themselves happy, and they know what's best for them. And how dare you say otherwise? And it goes for issues of sexuality as well. I mean, most of all, because it's such a visceral part of our identity as well.

It makes sense to me that they're doing this because it's like a dare. It's like, go ahead, tell me what I'm doing is wrong, because they know it's wrong.

C
Well, that leads me to something interesting that you wrote about female rage, and it dovetails perfectly in with these, like, there's, like, rage retreats that women are going on, and these tend to be the most privileged, advantaged women in America. And what are they exactly so rageful about? Something you recently wrote about and have pondered. So walk us through it. What's happening with the female rage movement?

E
Yeah, there were a lot of points that were converging when I decided to write this piece about female rage. One of them was this wellness trend, which really, I think, is just kind of, of a version of witchcraft called a rage ritual, and it's led by a self proclaimed witch. So I'm not just making that up. And all of these women pay thousands of dollars to go out into the woods together and scream their head off and bang sticks on the ground and think about all of the people who have wronged them and all of the injustices in their own lives and in the world.

And somehow this is supposed to be cathartic because you are, like, composting your trauma. I think that was the wording that she used. It's like kind of a form of recycling.

C
You can do this for free. We.

D
Yeah, today.

C
And scream and yell with pots and pans.

E
Yes. Yes. You can do that whenever you want. And I just had to think about why these women are so unhinged. And I had to admit to myself, like, I kind of feel like that sometimes. I don't express it because, you know, you shouldn't be a menace to society. But there is this, like, rage bubbling up in me. Can you relate? Like, am I crazy?

C
I feel rageful when I see these jerks talking about trying to indoctrinate my children with their weird perversions. Yes, I do. But here's a little bit. So here's some footage from women of women at the rage ritual retreat. This was posted in May and the. But the original source is Mia magic on YouTube. She's the woman behind the ritual. Watch.

This is like our schools in New York after Trump won a spitting image.

So wait, let me stick with you on this, Mary.

What are they so angry about? Like, truly, you can see them dressed in their lululemons. Like, these are obviously not. They paid thousands of dollars, so they, they have some money, they have some spare time, because, you know, most people don't, can't take a few days off to go to a rage retreat.

Some were mildly attractive. So what are they so unhappy about?

E
I love mildly attractive.

So, I mean, obviously, we're living in a time of material excess, and we have an excess of everything that we might want and all of the comfort that you could possibly dream of and the clothing and the makeup. And you can live this life where you work a mindless job in HR or middle management, something like that, and you don't need anybody, but you're living in extreme quiet poverty of everything that a human being needs to flourish. And I think these women, they're the epitome of the affluent, female white liberals, the awfuls. Like, they would never admit this to anyone else or to themselves, but I think they feel a deep discomfort with the direction that society is headed right now. Where crime is skyrocketing, the society is becoming less and less safe. There's less financial security. There's less predictability there. You also look around and see no testosterone anywhere to be found. Like, all of the men are just becoming complete wimps. And it bears out in the statistics that t levels have never been lower in decades, decades. And it's not going to get better anytime soon in that regard. So you really look around and see all these weak men. And I totally understand having a response that is absolutely hysterical. And that used to be a medical diagnosis, by the way. You could be diagnosed with female hysteria. I think we should bring that back.

C
So, Alex, interestingly, the free press also had a piece about this in May by Olivia Reingold. And the title was, I went to Karen Summer camp. Karen camp. I love that. I want to go. But no, wait. When I read more, I don't. Okay, so. So she writes that there were nearly 50 participants. They showed up to the same woman's zoom for her first ever live virtual rage ritual that only cost $47. That's not so bad. Happened at 01:00 p.m. in the afternoon, when most employed individuals are still at work. Olivia points out. Correct.

And here's some of what she says. This woman who runs it, Mia, gives us a six minute warning about the. The powerful purging we are about to experience, which could lead to the re traumatization of our pasts. Okay, this is already a bad idea. Stop re traumatizing yourself. If you actually had trauma, try to compartmentalize and move on. The more time you spend thinking about it, the more damaged you will be. That's my two cent, for what it's worth. And I've had a fair amount of trauma, so I know.

Okay, who do you need to yell at? She runs across her bedroom to bark at us. More. Go. The vibe now, according to the writer, is now Soulcycle at Hogwarts. By 20 minutes in, there's a shift with Banduchi. That's her last name here. Now taking a softer tone, like she is tucking us into bed, we are told this is our last chance for grunts, sighs and groans. Can you imagine?

Okay, I just got it for free right here on the MK show. And we collectively turned the ceiling to emit one final howl that I refuse to do. This is the best part. Okay, ready, Alex? At the end, a woman asks a question.

If you don't have something specific to work with. Do you feel like just showing up and working with the energy of rage is enough?

They all know what she's asking. What do we do if we're not angry at all? What if we're a Karen without a cause?

The answer goes as follows from this woman, Benducci. More often than not, what I'm raging about is, like, injustice in the world. You know, like, what's happening in the Middle east, plastic in the ocean, the enslavement of animals. Like, you know, there's a lot to rage about. And I have found that when we make ourselves vessels for the rage that is due to greater injustice in the world, you're still composting it like, you're still alkalizing it. You're still being in service to it. Oh, my.

D
This is exclusively an american privilege. Can I just say that?

C
Only women to have this woman on. Would you please come back? I'm going to try to book her, and I want you to. I need you to live rage ritual.

E
We're going to howl together.

C
We need to just cross examine her on her methods and her borrowed rage. Keep going, Alex.

D
I mean, here. Okay. My unique take on this is women are unbelievably idle in modern America, and this causes problems. So these women, you know, they claim that we don't have enough in this country, we don't have rights.

And then when they. Obviously, that's. That's not true. So then they run out of things to be angry about. No one else, in no other part of the world would they have that privilege. I think that we have everything in this country as women. So we're bored to death. We're making. Modern women are making a large disposable income. We have no family, and therefore, we're spending this disposable income on stupid crap like screaming in the woods for thousands of dollars. And I just want to remind you, this same thing happened in the fifties.

Let me just remind you of this. Okay? So in the fifties, what happened? You had a whole bunch of really, really bored women.

And the feminists said, well, it was because the fifties were so terrible. Women were unpersoned. We didn't have rights. It was a terrible decade for us, and they hate it. And I also hate the fifties, but not for the same reasons that the modern feminists do. So all of the modern conveniences and inventions that made homemaking easier, like tv dinners in the fifties, laundry machines frozen. And not saying, all those are bad, but they all came so quickly that women basically had no idea what to do with their time, so they got super bored fast. And then what ended up happening is they revolted into what became the sexual revolution. Right. Because women need to feel like they are contributing members of society.

Marriage is good, kids are good. Having someone to look after and pour into other than yourself is good, and it curbs becoming self. These liberal women have everything in modern America, so they have to come up with ways to feel marginalized and have something to do with all of their excess time and money. Hence what we're seeing here.

E
I'm glad you brought up the 1950s, too, because I'm thinking about the stereotype of that housewife who she gets beaten up by her husband every night for burning the dinner, and she's also taking pills all the time to try to forget the pain. And I'm glad, glad you mentioned that, because we should take notice of the fact that women these days are on these insane pharmaceutical cocktails of antidepressants, anti anxiety medication, on birth control, even Adderall, and things that are stimulants like that. And they're drinking. And all of that mixed together with just the neuroticism they were gifted with is a recipe for social upheaval.

C
Yes, there can be a chemical cocktail if the more you ingest that is not natural to your body and the more troubles you imagine for yourself. Right. I mean, whether it's the women at Karen camp or elsewhere, it is a toxic combo. Go ahead, Alex.

D
So that is absolutely true what Mary is saying. Women right now, we are a sedated generation.

Most of the decisions that we're making on a day to day basis are done under the fog of SSRI's, or hormonal birth control, which completely affects your personality, your interests, who you are attracted to. I'm going to be talking about this in my speech at Turning Point USA's young women's leadership summit, which you're speaking at this weekend in San Antonio. And if. And one of the big side effects of these drugs of something like an antidepressant or anti anxiety medication, which I would be willing to bet most of those women, if not all, are on the. One of the main side effects is severe depression, suicidal ideation, anxiety. So it's actually making everything worse. And nobody is talking about that.

C
I think it's so problematic because, look, I know that those drugs can help people, especially short term, if they're going through something really, really terrible, but we're just handing them out like Pez, and people get hooked on them, and then they get, get like used to them and then the only solution is like a bigger dose or a different kind of them. And the people, meantime, many of them aren't doing anything to solve their actual problems. I will say as somebody who's now in her fifties, who had many, many years with birth control, I'm a big fan of it. I love birth control. I know there's a backlash now amongst younger women, but it did nothing but good things for me. It cleared up my skin, gave me regular cycle, let me be able to have action without having to worry about an unwanted pregnancy. I'm a fan, but I really, Megan.

D
Next time, next time you have Mary and I on, we'll debate you on that.

C
Okay. Well, I mean, you can't debate my actual experience. It was awesome.

D
No, no, I know your actual experience, but, but we'll convince you why, why you should be maybe joining us against it.

C
Yeah.

D
Critical of it.

C
Okay. All right. Well, I will say it does have very nice benefits for your skin depending on which kind you use. And I loved that. Okay, ladies, thank you so much. Great debate. Goodbye. My, my fellow Karen campers is fascinating talking to you.

E
Thank you, Karen.

C
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Trump as "Pop Culture President," and Female "Rage Ritual Retreats," with Alex Clark and Mary Morgan | Ep. 811

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