RFK About to ENDORSE Trump? And Tim Walz's Weak Masculinity, with Tucker Carlson, Monica Crowley, Hogan Gidley, and Rep. Adam Smith | Ep. 868

This episode discusses rumors and political strategies surrounding RFK Jr.'s potential endorsement of Donald Trump in the upcoming presidential race, alongside critiques of Minnesota Governor Tim Walz's approach to masculinity and leadership.

1. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. might endorse Donald Trump, potentially impacting key swing states.
2. Critiques target Tim Walz for his perceived weak leadership and progressive policies.
3. The episode underscores deep political stratification and tactical endorsements in U.S. politics.
4. Discussions about masculinity and leadership styles feature prominently, critiquing current political figures.
5. The role of media and public perception in shaping political narratives is a key point of discussion.

1: Introduction and Context

Megyn Kelly sets the stage with the political climate and introduces the episode's high stakes involving RFK Jr. and Tim Walz.

• Megyn Kelly: "Welcome to today's episode where we dive deep into the potential political bombshell of RFK Jr. endorsing Trump and critique Governor Tim Walz's leadership."

2: RFK Jr.'s Potential Endorsement

Detailed analysis and discussion about the implications of RFK Jr.'s possible endorsement of Trump.

• Tucker Carlson: "I'm not brokering anything, but I understand the strategic implications this could have on the elections."

3: Critiquing Tim Walz

Examines Governor Walz's policies and leadership style, criticizing his approach to governance and masculinity.

• Monica Crowley: "Tim Walz represents a kind of weak masculinity that is troubling in current political leadership."

4: Political Strategies and Media Influence

Discussion on the strategic use of media and public appearances to influence voter perceptions and election outcomes.

• Hogan Gidley: "The media plays a significant role in shaping how political figures are perceived, impacting voter decisions at the polls."

1. Stay informed on political alignments and their implications.
2. Critically assess media narratives and look for unbiased sources.
3. Understand the impact of endorsements in political races.
4. Reflect on leadership qualities important in political figures.
5. Engage in discussions about political strategies and their broader implications.

Megyn Kelly is joined by Tucker Carlson, host of The Tucker Carlson Show, to discuss the breaking news that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. might drop out of the presidential race and endorse Donald Trump on Friday, reports Tucker and Donald Trump Jr. are working behind the scenes to convince RFK to drop out, how that would affect the race, RFK's key issues that resonate with conservative voters, the controversy over the JD Vance “childless cat ladies” comment that happened on his Fox show, the truth about Vance and Democratic VP pick Gov. Tim Walz, the red flags around Walz, the media praising Walz and Doug Emhoff as a new kind of masculinity, why it's a weaker version of masculinity, the media fawning over the DNC, the Democrat focus on abortion as a religion, whether Trump really changed after the attempted assassination, what the next Trump administration might be like, whether RFK might be good running the CIA, and more. Then former Trump administration members Monica Crowley and Hogan Gidley join to discuss the true radical policies of Walz, how the left-wing media keep exposing themselves as partisans, the outrageous comment from PBS' Judy Woodruff and her lack of apology and retraction, Washington Post now calling for an investigation of Biden's cognitive fitness, hyperbolic comments from Nancy Pelosi about the stakes in 2024, and more. Then Democratic Rep. Adam Smith joins to discuss his public push to get Biden to step aside as nominee, how Kamala Harris and Tim Walz still haven’t done any interviews, the controversy over Walz leaving the National Guard and the accusations of ‘stolen valor,’ and more.

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Megyn Kelly
Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show live on SiriusXM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show. The final day of the Democratic National Convention is finally upon us. Vice President Kamala Harris's coronation is nearly complete.

As we await the big event, there is a fascinating and potentially big development coming on the left. You see, they, well, they are now starting to worry, as they should, about RFKJ and what he's about to do because it looks, according to reports, like he's about to drop out and endorse Trump. And while his numbers have shrunk pretty dramatically since Harris became the nominee instead of Joe Biden, he'd been polling just around double digits. And now he's down more, around four in some places, five in some places, more like three.

That could make the difference in the swing states. And one of the people reportedly behind this potential deal is my first guest, my friend Tucker Carlson. He's host of the Tucker Carlson show.

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And before we get to that, I want to tell you, while I have you all, that I'm going to be joining Tucker on his live tour next month. He's going on tour around the country and he and I will be together in Kansas City, Missouri. So if you're listening to us anyplace in the midwest or beyond, if you want to get on a bus or a plane or your car and come join us there. We will be together September 12 at the T Mobile center. All right. T Mobile Center, September 12, tucker carlson and yours truly, Kansas city, Missouri. You can buy tickets right now at tucker carlson.com events. And tucker, this is going to be super fun. I love that you're doing this and getting out there. And thank you so much for inviting me.

Tucker Carlson
Are you kidding? Thank you for doing it. I was, I couldn't believe you agreed. I was thrilled. And I think this is, I mean, it's live events are the most, as you well know, they're the most fun because you can see the people and you can feel the energy and it can't be censored. It's just the best. So thank you.

Megyn Kelly
Exactly. I can't wait. Okay. So the reports are that you and Don Junior and maybe one other have been working behind the scenes to convince RFK Jay that there's no path forward for him in this particular race, which is, I mean, whether you tried that or not, that appears to be the case. And that he should drop out and endorse Donald Trump and potentially get a role in his administration.

He has announced that he's going to be making an announcement on Friday and when asked about this, he just refused to confirm or deny for now, but did say, I'm not going to say anything about Donald Trump when asked to condemn some of Trump's comments on climate change.

So what would you like to say about these reports?

Tucker Carlson
I mean, I definitely didn't broker anything.

That's not my role in life. I'm not good at that.

I would never, I just wouldn't do it. Go to Bobby and say, you can get this and go to Trump and say, you should do that. I mean, my only role just in general is knowing a lot of people, liking a lot of people.

I always try to connect people. Just in general, you should meet so and so, you know, so that. But I am not a political actor. I'm not good at it. I don't really understand politics. Most of my political predictions are wrong.

You know, I stay at 35,000ft, which is the only place I'm comfortable or competent. And the second, you know, I've been lured into saying, oh, this race and this state is going to go that way, I get humiliated because I don't really understand it very same.

So, no, I didn't broker anything. I know them both well. And I really like Bobby Kennedy. I always have. I don't agree with him on everything, obviously, but I like his spirit, which is inquisitive.

Pretty honest, I would say, actually, for a politician, very honest, brave.

I have a lot of the, I share a lot of the concerns he's articulated about health and the environment. I really care about the environment. I think climate change is not human caused. I disagree on that. I think that's ridiculous, actually.

Climate is changing, but we're not doing it.

But I'm very concerned about the quality of the air and water and the soil. Very concerned. I think we all should be. And the more, you know, the more you are concerned. I'm really concerned by some of the drugs people put in their bodies. As a 22 year long sober person, I really love sobriety. I went to an, a meeting recently with Bobby Kennedy. Had the best time ever. So we have a lot, and I'm a sportsman. I love hunting and fishing, and so does he. So we have just a lot in common personally, and that's the basis of our friendship and of my affection for him. On the political question, I've already said I have no idea what I'm talking about, and I really don't. But this is my one insight, which I do think is true, is I have no idea if he does endorse Trump. And these are two big personalities, so I'll kind of believe it when I see it. But if that happens tomorrow, I think it'll help Trump probably. I don't really know, but I know for a fact that Bobby running third party would hurt Trump because there is a big overlap in their voters, and it's not on all the issues. They disagree on a bunch of issues. But anyone who thinks the current system is corrupt is going to, is not voting for Kamala Harris because she is, of course, the physical embodiment of corruption. And so you're voting for Bobby Kennedy or Donald Trump. That's the bottom line. And so I think if he stayed in the race, it would definitely hurt Trump. That's my analysis, for what it's worth.

Megyn Kelly
There's a New York Post report out today that isn't two days ago it hit, talking about where, how Bobby Kennedy's affecting this race between Harris and Trump. And it's very telling. They're looking at some, some recent polling and saying that take Arizona, Trump leads Kamala Harris by one point in Arizona and Bobby Kennedy, they're taking 5%.

So, I mean, important enough that he could definitely sway that race in Michigan, showing Trump it's basically tied 45 to 44, Kennedy drawing 4% of the vote. Nevada, another nail biter saying Trump leads Harris, they are 43 to 42, 6% behind Bobby Kennedy. North Carolina, 47 to 44 in Trump's favor, 2% backing RFKJ. So it is really interesting how tight it is. Pennsylvania, Harris reads, leads Trump by two points, and Wisconsin, she leads him by four points. Kennedy's at 4% and 3%, respectively. So this guy, he may not have the votes that he had maybe, you know, six months ago when he was polling more like 11%, but he truly could swing this election if the people getting ready to vote for him did what he asked them to do and voted for, let's say in this case, Trump.

Tucker Carlson
Yes, I think that's right. And there's a whole kind of demographic in this country that's meaningful in numbers and it's non liberal nature. People, kind of old fashioned hippie types. They're not all into neoliberalism, actually. A lot of them still believe in civil liberties. They appreciate nature. They don't want to see it despoiled with chemicals. They don't think Monsanto is like a great company, necessarily.

And they look at Kamala Harris, who's not even a real person. I mean, it could be anybody. But they look at that machine financed by the banks and pharma, and they think to themselves, I don't have anything in common with these people. And they maybe look at Trump and they're like, who's that guy? He's weird. I don't like him either.

But there are a lot of right wing hippies, actually, particularly in rural areas. They have guns. They live in rural areas, of course they use guns.

And so I think those are all potential Trump voters. There are some style problems that turn them off to Trump, but they're definitely not on the side of, like, blackrock at all. And Bobby Kennedy and I live near a lot of people like this. I share a lot of their views. So I'm very familiar with this demographic. And I think that Bobby Kennedy is a pretty good way in to voting for Trump for them. He has credibility with them, and for good reason.

Megyn Kelly
I share your concerns about what's happening with the environment and the toxins and the food supply and all that. And I. It's funny, Tucker, you'll laugh because I.

So I recently decided that I was going to stop getting pedicure. Like, I get a pedicure, but I don't get toe polish. I don't get toenail polish.

Tucker Carlson
Yeah.

Megyn Kelly
And I'm like that, you know, I don't want the top. Would you look at me? Would you look at the number of toxins I have on me right now in my hair, not to mention the Botox.

What a charlatan I am. But, you know, it's like, around the edges, Tucker, we do what we can to try to minimize the toxins coming in. That's totally right. Is where I draw the line.

Tucker Carlson
No, I mean, if I'm being honest, I come from a family like that. Like, what's in your toothpaste? What's in your deodorant? I mean, I. You know, I'm 55. I grew up in California in the seventies where people were really concerned about this stuff. A lot of them were kind of dippy, liberal people that we made fun of, and I still make fun of them. On the other hand, those concerns turned out to be absolutely real. And if you look at the rates of chronic illness in this country, it's destroying the country.

And I had a conversation last week with a woman called Casey Means. Who's.

Megyn Kelly
She's Callie's sister.

Tucker Carlson
Right, Callie's sister. Callie's a friend of mine. And a wonderful guy. A wonderful guy. But his sister is one of the most powerful people ive ever interviewed. In my 33 years of interviewing people, ive met very few people like Casey means.

First of all, she has the credibility, the authority. Shes top of her class at Stanford medical School. Shes a surgeon, which is the highest level of medicine, obviously. And she left at all because she thought the system was so corrupt. But the compelling part of the interview for me was just the litany of health statistics that she threw out there. And the country's actually dying. And I sense that. I've read about it before, but I've never seen those stats collected in one place in the way that she did. And it's an emergency. It's an emergency that I would say supersedes all other emergencies. Sperm counts are down to zero in. A lot of men like you can't continue the species. So what is causing this is the obvious question. Autism rates out of control to a much higher level than I ever realized.

And so for all the people who said, you know, how dare you speculate about what causes autism?

Okay, I don't know what causes autism. I will freely concede that. But something is causing autism. Actually, it's not just that. The measurements have changed. We're counting autism cases. Like. No, no. The absolute number of autism cases is to an emergency level. And that's true for a lot of chronic conditions. And nobody cares. And so I'm just saying, as a political matter, there are a lot of people who care. And we put that interview up the other day. It's kind of an obscure topic. It has nothing to do with the election or the Ukraine war or inflation.

And the response that we got suggested to me that a lot of people sense this is going on and they want someone to talk about it. And I hope if Bobby endorses Trump, and of course I hope he does, that he'll spend the next couple of months talking about this stuff in public because somebody needs speaker one.

Megyn Kelly
This is one of his favorites. I mean, for sure. This is, he's come on the show many times, and I've argued with him about why he doesn't pick up my favorite culture issue issues. And he tells me what his favorite issues are. And that's, that's important, too. You know, I mean, what he's pushing, he's right. Nobody else is really talking about. And so it would be fascinating to see him come into a Trump administration with his unique views and experience. I mean, he made his bones as an environmental lawyer. Yes. And he's a true expert on that stuff. And I think Trump would listen to him on the things that he really is an expert on, and maybe we would have a different approach on some of this stuff. So we'll know soon. I think it would be a great move for him.

What? We got 24 hours or so to figure it out. Okay, I got to talk to you. So much has happened since you last came on.

JD Vance became Trump's running mate. I also heard you had something to do with that. That is brilliant. And I totally support that move. I know some Republicans are still, they have their noses in a joint, but hopefully they're seeing what a great peck he was. Now when he's so deftly handling the media, he's everywhere. Last night, he was in five different networks, you know, and meanwhile, Tim Walsh will only go in front of the golden microphone with her, as you say, not even real people. So what do you make, though, of the media pile on against JD started with an interview he gave to you a couple years ago with a childless cat lady. Right. Comment.

Nobody wanted to report the context, you know, a snarky remark. But, you know, we went back and played the whole context of the original remarks that he'd made, what you guys were discussing. Nobody does that, though. So now they've demonized this guy as a woman hater, even though all his major role models and mentors and the people, the loving people in his life have been women.

And as Jill say, he hates Ivf. Even though he's on record as saying he's pro IVF, he's against the band. Like, all the stuff that they've been doing to him has been particularly nasty. So what do you think of it?

Tucker Carlson
Well, I mean, the childless cat lady thing I felt bad about. I'm pretty sure I haven't looked at the tape again, but I'm pretty sure I egged him on to say something like that. And I think it's a mean thing. I think I'm responsible for that.

I have a tendency to get way over my skis and get mean, and I regret that. You know, it's very ugly. And I'm ashamed of the many, many times when I've said nasty things like that. I feel sorry for childless people, whether they have cats or not. And I mean it. As someone who has four children who are the root of my happiness, you know, I really feel compassion. And the whole point, well, the intended point, I may have distorted it in, you know, getting cable newsy and being nasty to people, but the whole point is we should be encouraging people to experience the things that make them the happiest. And I think any parent will tell you, as hard as it is, having kids like that is one of the main sources of happiness for people from the beginning of time. And if we're discouraging that or making it impossible for people to have kids, that's on us. That's a major sin, and we should try to make it better.

So I just want to say that, that I felt bad about that and many other nasty things I've said over the years where I diminish people or make fun of their appearance, that's totally wrong. So I'm sorry, but I would say of JD Vance, it was hilarious because he's so weird. He hates weird. He's like one of the only politicians I know, and I know a lot of politicians, who has a happy, normal marriage. He actually cares what his wife thinks. She's his partner, like, actual partner. She's very smart and a really nice person, a cool person. And he isn't like a normal, happy marriage. If you brought actually been around it in private, if you brought a camera into JD Vance's household, you would see, like, a husband who loves his wife, a father who loves his children, like you really would. You can't say that for almost any other politician on either side. And I don't want to be mean. I've already said I don't want to be mean. But like, that. That walls guy is a creep. I'm just telling you that as someone who went to boarding school in the eighties, like, I know exactly who that guy is. And I'm sorry. It's just, you know, I hope I'm wrong. I don't think I am.

Megyn Kelly
And, I mean, honestly, Tucker, why is he so obsessed with transing children, making it possible for them to separate from their parents and have their body parts chopped off? Hello?

Tucker Carlson
Yeah, well, I lived in a boys dorm in a New England boarding school in the 1980s with a lot of guys like Tim Walz. Okay. So I saw that guy, and I'm like, oh, wow. I know. Exactly. You're a creeper, as we used to call him, for sure. And, you know, I guess I probably shouldn't. I definitely shouldn't suggest what I'm suggesting without evidence. I don't have evidence beyond what I've seen. So I just want to say that I'm probably.

Megyn Kelly
Again, you mean, like a pervert when you say creepy?

Tucker Carlson
I just. There's something wrong with that guy. He's a weirdo. He's a weirdo. And you can tell watching him. And I'm sorry. I just lived long enough that I know that your gut level perceptions are rooted in truth. They're not always precisely true. I've gotten many things wrong. Like, the details are unknown to me, but I look at that guy, and I'm like, you're a weirdo. And everyone's like, no, he's so normal. No, not normal. Sorry. And so.

Megyn Kelly
Well, there's another thing. There's another thing about Tim walls that hasn't got as much. Gotten as much airtime. And it's true. He actually did remove.

They were coming up with the Minnesota human rights law and revising it, renewing it. You know, this class is protected. You can't discriminate against these people, and you can't discriminate against gays and lesbians. And the law had said, to be clear, pedophiles get no protection under this law. Pedophiles do not fall under the definition of a protected class. And they removed that language.

They removed that language under Tim walls that the pedophiles. So it made it more ambiguous. Now, some of the LGBTQ community said, well, we removed that because we don't want to be associated with it. We don't need to say that right after you're talking about gay people. We shouldn't even be in the same breath as pedophiles. But it did make it more ambiguous, and some objected, saying, why would we take this out and make it less clear that we're not trying to protect pedophiles. In any event, it remained out, and Tim Wall signed that bill. I'm not saying he's a pedophile. I'm just saying you don't hear about this stuff from the mainstream media because they're so determined. He's our dad.

Tucker Carlson
And by the way, what is he doing in a high school setting with children talking to them about their sex lives? That's just prima facie wrong. It's totally wrong. In a healthy society, would not tolerate that. You are not allowed to have teachers talking to kids about their sex lives. And I don't care if you're saying, oh, they're bullied, okay, you know, but you're still. Adults are not allowed to get involved in the sex lives of children unless they're the parents of those children, period.

Megyn Kelly
He started the LGBTQ.

Tucker Carlson
I just disagree with the entire thing. The gay straight alliance. Like, are you an anti gay bigot? Well, of course I'm not an anti gay bigoted. I am just against across the board creepy teachers talking to other people's children about those children's sex lives. That is totally wrong. And that is. I think that's criminally adjacent, actually. I think it's a crime, and I don't think any normal father would put up with that. And you sort of wonder, like, where are the dads here saying, you talk to my child about his sex life one more time, I'm going to. You know, I'm going to hurt you. That's the healthy response. Like, no. And I've just been around a lot, and again, I went to boarding school. I've seen this stuff that is totally wrong. And who would do that? If somebody said to me, there are kids in our school being bullied because of their sex lives, I'd be like, well, I'm totally opposed to bullying and cruelty and meanness, yes.

But no, I'm not going to sit around and talk to children about who they have sex with because that's creepy. It's totally creepy. And no one can say that I.

Megyn Kelly
Have to introduce that topic to children.

Tucker Carlson
I agree.

Megyn Kelly
Private setting. It's difficult enough when you have a parental obligation at some point to discuss it in the school setting when it's somebody else's. I mean, such a disgusting line to cross. But, yes, he's totally agree.

Tucker Carlson
And the guy's like, oh, no, I'm proud of that. No, you should be ashamed. It should not be allowed. It is the standard now in all schools where the school therapist or the nurse or some creepy football coach like Tim Walls gets to talk to your kids about their sex lives. And I would just say, no, they're not doing that in Romania. They're not doing that in China, like, country. And those are not countries I want to live in, but they're countries that are rooted in, like, age old common sense, which is that crosses a line. That line ends with, like, if you allow that line to be crossed, adults will have sex with kids. Okay, that is true. I'm not accusing Tim walls of doing that. I have seen that personally, again, being in a boarding school where that happened, you know, I'm just gonna mentor you and talk to you about your sexual identity struggles and end up sleeping with a kid. Like, that's why we don't allow that. That's why I would never allow.

Megyn Kelly
No, there's no question. There's no question discussions with children is grooming that. It just is true. And I realize they say, oh, they're bullied and we wanna talk to them. It's not for you to do. It's not for you to do. And certainly not at the younger ages.

That's for the parents to do, if at all. I mean, like, that's up to a mom and dad to discuss when and in what way those topics are discussed.

Tucker Carlson
Exactly.

Megyn Kelly
This gets me to something that happened when Obama was speaking the other night. Now, the reason I think this is interesting is because Obama is such an elitist, like, just prick. He doesn't realize how off putting this kind of comment is.

Tucker Carlson
But I was like, I love that summary, though. That's so good.

Megyn Kelly
Just is.

So I was jarred by the comment. Then you showed up wearing a flannel shirt. And these two things made me pull this soundbite. And it ties in beautifully to the discussion we're having right now. Listen to him.

Tim is the kind of person who should be in politics.

Born in a small town, served his country, taught kids, coached football, took care of his neighbors.

He knows who he is and he knows what's important.

Monica Crowley
You can tell those flannel shirts he.

Tucker Carlson
Wears don't come from some political consultant. They come from his closet. And they have been through some stuff.

Megyn Kelly
They have been through some stuff.

It's like the inability to wrestle with who Tim Walls is when he's done in policy one. And number two, like, look at the flannel. I mean, he's, he's middle America, all right? Look at him in his flannel. This says Obama in his $4,000 suit.

Tucker Carlson
It's also silly and superficial. So Obama likes his clothes. Okay.

What?

You know what I mean. This is a guy who let the biggest city in his state burn whose wife said she enjoyed it and she breathed deeply of the burning rubber. Kept the windows open to do it.

These are sick people. But more than that. If that's true, if the Democratic Party is the party of working people then how come none of the working people are voting for Democrats anymore?

You know what I mean? They have to vote for Republicans. And by the way, from my perspective they shouldn't have to vote for Republican. Republican party. You know, Mitch McConnell could care less about the opioid crisis. Obviously I don't think the Republicans represent them very well. But the Democrats have such contempt for them, such hatred for them that rural people have had no choice but to vote Republican. I mean the democratic party has gone out of its way to hurt them. Actually the white working class. That's just a fact. Put them at the, at the bottom rung of the medicine distribution during COVID Discriminated against on the basis of healthcare because of their skin color and their socioeconomic status. They are truly hated by the democratic party. And I don't know Obama well enough to know what he actually thinks of them. But their policies have really hurt these people. And again, I live in an area that was Democrat because there was mills. And these are not people who wanted to vote Republican. They didn't grow up voting Republican. Their grandparents didn't vote Republican. They're union members. And now they're mostly voting Republican because they have no choice.

So like some lecture about Tim Walz's wardrobe that Obama thinks is very snazzy. Or it's like so stupid actually.

Megyn Kelly
Well, maybe he wants him to vote for you too because you got the checkered flannel. It looks flannel.

Tucker Carlson
I grew up in La Jolla, California in an affluent family. I never pretend I'm the voice of the working class. I'm the opposite of the, I spent my whole life in DC, you know, living in northwest DC in an expensive house and having, you know, lunch with senators every day. So, I mean, I'm hardly a representative of America's, you know, dying working class at all. I just, I like the people. I like the country. And I'm. I'm just trying to be honest about what I see.

But the fraudulence there is so transparent. Like who would fall for that actually. Well, now.

Megyn Kelly
I mean, they're trying to style him, as I said into our dad. That was actually, I think a politico tweet. America's dad.

I mean, it's like, no, we're good. And they're calling her mamala, our dad and her mom, like these Democrats, like, really, seriously looking for new parent figures in the absence of good ones of their own, I suppose. And I do wonder, like, what's wrong with us because most of us don't need new parents and aren't looking to some politician to step into the breach. And now today's line in the wake of the Tim wall speech is he is the definition of the non toxic male. He's the not. He's the anti you, Tucker. He's the anti trump, the anti JD vance. He's, he's like the soft man who still coaches football. I'll give you a Dan a bash making this point last night on CNN, but they are doing so in trying to put forward male figures, Tim walls being one of them, Doug Emhoff last night, who can speak to men out there who might not be the sort of testosterone laden, you know, gun toting kind of guy who wants to listen to Hulk Hogan and the kind of players that came out at the RNC or might want to listen to that. But also maybe in addition, understand that it's okay in 2024 to be a man comfortable in his own skin.

Tucker Carlson
What we saw at the Trump convention, which was, as, you know, somebody, I forget exactly who said it, testosterone with Kid Rock and the ultimate fighting champion guy.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah, that guy.

Tucker Carlson
And Hulk Hogan. Dana White.

Remember Hulk Hogan actually ripped off his shirt and he had another shirt underneath, which I think is not exactly what the rip off the shirt thing is supposed to be. But in any case, I digress.

Megyn Kelly
What do you make of it?

Tucker Carlson
Well, it's just weird to me as someone who spent almost a decade at scene, and that's their a team now. It's like sad, you know, really, those Dana bash is like doing political analysis. It's like if you live long enough, you see how absurd things really are. As someone who knows Danavesh, but leaving that aside, I think they're absolutely right.

If you want weak men and the angry women around them, that's the party for you, for sure.

Men who hate themselves. But I don't think that most people want that, actually. And they've spent 50 years trying to convince us that masculinity is dangerous. And so we live in a world with very little of it. And the society has become much more violent and much more unhappy and much more chaotic. Actually, masculinity, like femininity is a product of nature. It's a good thing. We should never be against nature. The natural order. And of course, there are horrible men who are violent. All violence basically comes from men. That's bad. But that doesn't mean masculinity is bad. And if you want to know what happens without it look around at modern America. It's a miserable country with angry people in Ithoodae. And if you want more of that, vote for Tim Walls who I just want to say, once again, I'm totally convinced is creepy. I think I'll be vindicated, and I hope I'm wrong, but I think he is. But whatever. He's clearly weak.

And Doug Emhoff, his daughter, comes out on stage again. I'm trying not to be mean but I look at Doug Emhoff's daughter, miserable, covered in tattoos and I'm like, anyone who has a child like that should not have political power. Because you've messed up enough.

Do you know what I mean?

I mean, I do think that your personal life really matters. If you don't have a spouse who loves and respects you if you don't have children who love and respect you I feel sorry for you. But you definitely can't have control over my life because you have not done a good job.

Megyn Kelly
So he's the one. I mean, yes. There's a million articles calling Tim walls our new dad and saying he's the kind of guy who would fix your flat tire for you. But political? The most recent one was about Doug Emhoff. That's who it was. And they called him meet. The headline was, meet Doug Emhoffen, dad in chief. This guy who cheated on his first wife by banging the nanny, impregnating her. And there was even either an abortion or an abandoned child. And they actually want us to swallow him as our dad. You know what? My dad was a good dad who never cheated on my mom who never impregnated another person who never had an abortion with an affair. I'm like, he'd go down the line.

Hogan Gidley
This is sick.

Megyn Kelly
Why are they looking at these men as, like, their new daddy figures?

Tucker Carlson
Well, because that's the whole program of the party. I mean, the party is the most important thing. That's really the story of Kamala Harris. I don't spend a lot of time beating up on Kamala Harris because I don't think she's a significant figure. She just happened to be there.

What we've seen over the past six weeks is what actually matters in the democratic party which is not individuals. Their charisma, their ideas, their program. It's the party itself. The party itself is more important than any single person in the party. The individual doesn't matter. It's the collective. And that collective, in their view, should replace everything else and should be the subject of your first and primary loyalty. In other words, your parents violate Covid law, your brother violates Covid law, you rat them out to the party, to the state, because the party is the most important thing. So of course they think that whoever runs the party should be mom or daddy, because the party is more important than the church, than the family, to your friendships, to your work. I mean, it's got to be the center of your loyalty. And this is just the totalitarian worldview. It's always been the same. It was the same in the soviet era. It was the same during the revolutionary era in France and Spain. In every country that's ever had a revolution, whether it's communist or whatever they call it, the names don't mean anything because it's the same idea. It's the party replaces God and family and personal loyalty. And so, yeah, of course it could be, you know, it doesn't matter who's the head of the party.

That person should be dead. And that's why the democratic party spends so much time trying to destroy all of their pre existing loyalties, primarily the family and the church. That's why they've got a vasectomy lab at the DNC. Because, of course, having kids makes you realize, like, my kids are more important than anything else, obviously.

Megyn Kelly
And women parading and men parading down the street as mifepristone abortion pills, literally in costumes that are the abortion pill.

Tucker Carlson
Yeah, I mean, you really realize it's actually been an amazing and instructive experience to watch this and just to watch the last couple of years because they've admitted what's really important. Like, I always thought they were for abortion because, I dont know, they felt sorry for the 14 year olds who got raped, which I do too, of course, so I get that. But it had nothing to do with that. They like abortion for its own sake, because it prevents childbirth, because it prevents new life from coming into the world. Theyre for it on its own terms. Its a positive good to them. Now you can be as pro choice as you want and still think thats the most grotesque attitude possible. Theyre just for human sacrifice. They're for killing for its own sake. They're opposed to children. Like, what's the other explanation?

Megyn Kelly
There are some. They're not all that way. But there are some.

Tucker Carlson
No, no, they're not.

Megyn Kelly
And that's why they, that's why they run around with, I'm proud of my abortion. I love my abortion. And they're touting the fact that they've killed 25 in utero babies just this week alone. They're proud of it. 25 abortions have taken place outside of the DNC as they're, you know, talking to us about joy. They're literally killing babies outside and then bragging about it.

Tucker Carlson
So how is that not a religion? I mean, that's a religion. That's not a political movement, obviously, nothing to do with politics, actually.

They're worshipping something. They're worshiping the death of human beings. So that's the oldest religion there is, actually, is the religion that tells you by killing, you get joy. I mean, that's, I mean, this is like age old beginning of recorded history. Every civilization has practiced human sacrifice, every single one and on every continent. And you can ask yourself, like, why? What is that? Exactly. Which is a whole nother conversation. But that's just factually true. And that's what we're seeing here is this is not political, it's religious.

Megyn Kelly
Why do you think that? In the past week, when the Democrats have controlled the airwaves and their ratings have been very good for this democratic national Convention, the betting odds on who's going to win this election have swung ten points to Donald Trump's favor. Let me give you the rundown.

June 28, post the disastrous debate for Biden. They showed Trump up 33 points over Joe Biden. This is the betting odds. June 15, after the attempted assassination, Trump up 48 points over Joe Biden. July 22, the day it became obvious Harris was going to be subbed in. Trump up 26. So he's starting to fall.

August 16, which was last Friday, Harris up 8.6, which had been a huge swing in her favor, reflected reflecting what happened in the media and the coronation and her not speaking to anybody. And then in the past week, Trump is now up to a ten point swing in his favor as she has dominated the airwaves and all the democratic all stars, Tucker, Michelle, Barack, Oprah, Tim walls, Nancy, and the numbers are going like this, at least on the betting odds.

Tucker Carlson
You know, it's hard to understand the collective wisdom of markets. I often don't understand it. I can only guess. I think those are amazing numbers, though. Thank you for reading those.

But my sense is that people know this is as good as it's going to get for the Democratic Party. I mean, they literally have control of the airwaves for a full week in a stage managed production, a propaganda show, which is what all conventions are. And it's probably not going to get better than what it is right now.

Like, what else can they do? Like have more abortions between now and November? Like, you know what I mean? Like what else is there? There isn't actually a program that uplifts or helps people. I do think there's the sense that the economy is in actual peril, that we're just kind of holding it together with masking tape until the inevitable collapse. And what's their answer for that?

You know what I mean? Like capital, higher capital gains tax or unrealized gains tax? Like they don't have an answer, actually. They're just putting pressure on Powell. I mean, like our entire economic program in the United States seems to be manipulating the Federal Reserve on interest rates. Like that's it. There's no other answer. And that's obviously an inadequate answer. So, I mean, that would be my guess, that people looking at the fundamentals know that they're out of tricks and maybe abortions in the parking lot won't be enough in the end.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah. I mean, maybe they're starting to feel the economic pain that's hitting the news day by day. You saw the report yesterday that they had to revise the jobs report downward, almost a million, 818,000. They had overstated new jobs created. This is all puffery. And now the truth is coming out. And then the Commerce Department head goes on with ABC and she gets asked about this downward revision by the Department of Labor. They played her a soundbite of Trump saying there'd been a downward revision of 800,000 plus.

And they asked her, you know, how about it, lady? And listen, listen to Gina Raimondo.

Hogan Gidley
I'm curious as to your thoughts on today. The Bureau of labor saying that more than 800,000 fewer jobs were actually created than initially reported. And we have a sound bite here just to play.

Megyn Kelly
We can listen to it together because.

Hogan Gidley
Donald Trump is already addressing this on a campaign trail.

Megyn Kelly
Let's take a listen to that one together.

Tucker Carlson
The administration padded the numbers with an extra, listen to this. 1818,000 jobs that don't exist.

So they said they existed and they never did exist. They built them up so that they could say what a wonderful job they're doing.

Hogan Gidley
So when you hear that, do you.

Megyn Kelly
Potentially think that this new numbers could be a liability for this campaign?

Hogan Gidley
No, when I hear that, first of all, I don't believe it, because I have never heard Donald Trump say anything truthfully.

Megyn Kelly
It is, though, from the Bureau of Labor. I don't.

Hogan Gidley
I'm not familiar with.

Monica Crowley
With that.

Megyn Kelly
Two additional points. She's been reportedly considered for treasury secretary in the Kamala Harris administration. Treasury. This woman who's never heard of the Bureau of Labor report. And that story was ignored by all of the big three media last night on their evening news, except ABC gave it 10 seconds.

Tucker Carlson
It's just crazy to me that Gina Raimondo was the governor of Rhode Island, a state I used to live in. Pretty familiar with it, that she was rewarded with a cabinet seat after what she did in Rhode island. Like, there's no connection between achievement and advancement anymore. Like, the meritocracy really is dead in the United States, which is the kamala.

Well, exactly. But Gina Raimondo was a governor. Like, you can, you know, she did not help Rhode island at all. And I think she's smart and she was famously moderate and all this stuff. And, like, she was pretty promising as a governor. I thought she Democrats, I didn't vote for her or anything, but she could have made that state much better, and she didn't. It got worse. So how the hell did she get in Biden's cabinet? Right? First thing. Second thing, it's not about Trump. Notice she just like, oh, he's a liar. Okay, whatever. But you're lying about basic economic stats. And that is really the problem. That's the crucial problem. If you can't even trust the numbers coming out of the government, if everything is a lie, from how Trump almost got assassinated to how Kamala Harris got the nomination, to Joe Biden's health, to basic numbers on employment or the CPI or whatever, if all the numbers are cooked, if everything is political, then you just don't have a functional society. Actually, at that point, I think we're really tampering with the formula here. The secret Service cannot be a political instrument. Neither can the FBI or dojd. No. You can't lie about every fundamental number. Something as simple as how many people have jobs. You can't do that or else the whole thing will fall apart.

250 years of effort to build the society, and you could lose it if you do stuff like that. And they are, and everyone kind of knows it. It's freaking me out watching this.

Megyn Kelly
You mentioned my FBI.

One of the things, of course, that, going back to our earlier discussion, RFKJ has been railing about is the intelligence community and how corrupt he thinks they are. Don Junior was on with Glenn Beck yesterday and said he loves the idea of RFKJ, like, as head of CIA or doing something to take apart these organizations and start rebuilding them. What do you make of that idea? Like, if you. If you, Tucker Carlson, get to wave a magic wand and say, this is what I would use RFKJ for, what would it be?

Tucker Carlson
Well, I'd give him declassification power immediately. I. You know, I don't even know if that's legal under federal law, but I would try to get.

Megyn Kelly
You got your magic wand?

Tucker Carlson
Oh, I would. Look, I think one of the biggest. I mean, I think one of the reasons we have such a corrupt society at this point is because secrecy makes it possible.

Secrecy? We have no privacy. What's so interesting? We have no privacy. You keep your iPhone in your bedroom and someone can listen to you talking to your spouse. Okay, no privacy at all. But we have more secrecy than effort. The people in charge have created a system where nothing they do can ever be evaluated because you're not allowed to know what they're doing in your name with your money. Over a billion classified federal documents. That means, by definition, it's a corrupt system. So I do think going forward, if we're going to save the country, fix the system, have a government that we can believe in, be proud of, sort of. Anyway, you need to declassify a lot, beginning with 911. Like, I'm sorry, everyone attacks the 911 conspiracy theories. I have no idea the truth, by the way, I'm not suggesting I do, but I do know that 23 years later, if we have the bulk of the documents still classified, the question is why? It's not to preserve sources and methods. That's not relevant. It's to protect the guilty. Same with the JFK files, same with the Uap.

Megyn Kelly
Let's go back further than 911.

Tucker Carlson
That's exactly right.

There's no justification. And people like Pompeo, who, in my opinion, is evil, but we can disagree on that. But Pompeo, it was absolutely part of that. I mean, Pompeo's the reason the JFK files weren't declassified, the reason we still don't really understand a lot about 911. That happened in my lifetime. I had three kids on 911. This just happened. I have a right to know. This changed our country. How do I not have a right to know what the truth is? And so if you got someone like Bobby Kennedy in there, who his uncle was definitely murdered with the knowledge of CAA, I can say that conclusively. There are questions about how his father was murdered and by whom he has a personal mission to declassify this stuff. And I would love to see that. I think his life would be in peril if he tried that. I think you'd do it anyway, which speaks to his courage. So, yeah, I love the idea of him running CIA, or at least having the power to declassify. And last thing I'll say, if Trump gets elected, it's absolutely essential that a tool of permanent Washington doesn't take a job like CIA director. Like, you need to have someone who cares about the country more than the federal agency. That's absolutely essential. And the people I see in the running for CIA director, some of whom I like, and I know them all, but they're people who absolutely don't think you have a right to know what your government is doing, who would continue to hide basic facts. Mike Pompeo, when he was CIA director, plotted an assassination of Julian Assange.

That's a fact. He plotted the assassination. Now he's a federal appointee. Julian Assange hadn't even been charged with a crime in the United States. You are not allowed to murder people in my name with my money. That's a crime. Of course he's never going to be indicted for it. He should be today. He never will be. But we didn't even know that. There's so much stuff that we don't know. We have a right to know. This is our government. It does not belong to Mike Pompeo or to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or anybody. It belongs to all of us. That's what democracy is. And if we allow this to continue, then let's just stop calling the democracy, let's just call it the autocracy that it demonstrably is. I mean, that's my view.

Megyn Kelly
All right, now, speaking of Trump, I got to ask you about him.

They almost killed him since the last time you and I spoke on the air, and you did a wonderful job at the Republican National Convention. I said, I said even before you came on that you were the best one. I love that you spoke extemporaneously, without notes from the heart. It's so much better than these scripted speeches, which are just so painful to listen to, no matter how compelling the figure is. It's like, just talk to me. Talk to me like a human. But most people are incapable of doing it, so hats off. But one of the things you said was that you believe Trump had changed in the wake of, of that horrible event. And then Trump got out there himself and said, well, here's Trump shortly thereafter in sat 17.

Be nice.

Tucker Carlson
They all say, I think he's changed. I think he's changed since two weeks ago. Something affected him. No, I haven't changed. Maybe I've gotten worse, actually, because I get angry at the. The incompetence that I witness every single day, the way millions of people are pouring into our country.

Megyn Kelly
What do you make of that?

Tucker Carlson
He just cracks me up. I mean, I just should say with the caveat that I'm charmed by Trump, personally, I like Trump. I can't help myself.

He just makes me laugh. You know, I was just noting the. Obviously, which is, you can't go through something like that without being changed. I've never been shot, but, you know, like, every person I've been through, every person who makes it to his or her fifties goes through, like, unexpected events. Well, that was kind of shocking. And at first, you know, you think, well, I'm fine. I'm totally the same person. And then over time, you realize, no, that really, that changed me. That changed my perceptions of things, my assumptions about things, my reaction to things. I'm thinking thoughts I had never thought before. I mean, it's just. It just kind of inevitable. And nobody could go through that without being changed. How will he be changed?

My sense at the convention, just. Cause I talked to him every day when I was there, was that he was thinking a lot more about eternal questions, which I think is really important for all of us to be brooding on every day, personally. But I think he was thinking about that more. How will it change him long term? I don't know, but I can just say again, I've never been shot or anything like that, but every traumatic, unexpected thing that's ever happened to me, things I didn't want to happen, including getting fired a bunch, they've all been great. Like, it's good for you. It's good for you to have your cage rattled. I think it's been great for me, I can tell you that.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah. I mean, I think he's right when it comes to the political fight, right? It's like, how can he be super sweet and nice when they're calling him Hitler, they're calling him a racist every day, a misogynist every day. This is this from the Democratic National Convention? This is from the nice people, Michelle Obama. He's a racist. He's a misogynist. But it's really important to be respectful. Same person, same speech. Right? So I personally don't see how Trump is nice in trying to win the presidency. No one is this is not a situation where niceness wins. And that leads me to my last question, which is a lot of republicans are starting to feel a little blue, maybe less blue today than they were a week ago, because I think you can feel the bloom coming off the Kamala rose, you know, like she was anointed and she was the second coming. And now it's kind of like, well, it's not just the betting odds, but the polls are starting to correct to, and it's a very, very tight race. And you heard Michelle, Barack, everybody starting to say that now, encouraging their base to get out. But for Republicans who are feeling down because they were soaring when he was against the declared democratic nominee, the one who was actually voted on, and now things have shifted. What say you? How do you, how do you see this thing going from over the next 70 days?

Tucker Carlson
Speaker one well, I think the, the outcome is unknown. I mean, I think you summed it up really well. You can't know. It is really close. There are all kinds of other factors that no one wants to talk about, including me. But you've got a totally different population by over 10 million people from the one you had in 2020.

So that's kind of hanging in the air. Will these non citizens here, legally breaking our laws yet fully federally subsidized, will they be able to vote? I don't know the answer. I certainly hope nothing. Um, so I, I don't know. I'm, you know, I'm praying for a return, uh, to a country that's defined by justice, fairness, and civil liberties. I definitely am praying for that every day. But I. So I don't want to pass the question. I just don't know the answer. But I would say it's really important to remember, as you're outwardly focused, that what matters first and foremost is how the people around you are doing. You know, the people you, you love that you come into contact with every day. If you're blessed enough to have children and a spouse, them. But everyone has relatives, everyone has coworkers, everyone has friends or people they care about, how are they doing? I do think that's so important. We kind of externalize a lot of our lives. Like, I meet people all the time who are way more pissed about what's happening politically on both sides than they are about, like, a nephew who's got a drug addiction or whatever, or about a bad marriage that they're in. What matters is how actual people are doing, beginning with the people in your orbitz. And so I just think in general, especially during election season. It's really important to remember that. And I see political extremists, most of them on the left, not entirely, but mostly, who externalize to such an extent that they're way more worried about the climate or Donald Trump or Darfur or Palestine than they are about actual people.

And that is a sin. We're required to care about actual people, beginning with the ones put in our path for a reason, like people around you for a reason, actually.

And just remember that. And so before you fret about politics, try and serve someone next to you, not a theoretical person in a faraway place, but the kind of annoying, complicated person you're not getting along with right next to you.

Megyn Kelly
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We're gonna spend a little time on last night at the DNC. Joining me now, Monica Crowley, she's host of the Monica Crowley podcast and former assistant secretary of the treasury. And Hogan Gidley, former Trump national press secretary and vice chair of the center for Election Integrity. Great to have you both here. Thank you so much for coming on. All right, so Tim Walz was the big keynote speaker last night. I'll give you a little flavor for how he sounded.

Sot two. To kick it off, I wound up.

Tucker Carlson
Teaching social studies and coaching football at Mankato West High School.

Go, Scarlets.

But it was those players and my students who inspired me to run for Congress. So there I was, a 40 something high school teacher with little kids, zero political experience and no money, running in a deep red district.

But you know what?

Never underestimate a public school teacher.

Never.

Megyn Kelly
What do you guys make of it? Monica, welcome back to the show. Let me start with you.

Hogan Gidley
Hi, Megan. It's so good to be back with you and to see my good friend Hogan Gidley on here today.

Look, my impression last night, first of all, they're taking all of the main speakers and they're pushing them well past 11:00 p.m. eastern time, which is a huge strategic mistake when it comes to communications because you want your main speaker speaking in primetime. That's number one. Number two, they have taken the most radical vice president in american history and paired her with the most radical choice for her running mate in us history. This is by far the most radical ticket. And what they, I think, have done a very good job this week is whitewashing both of them. And we'll get more of that tonight with Kamala Harris. But in terms of Tim waltz trying to whitewash his background by trying to portray himself as an average American, an average american dad, sort of the paternal kind of symbolism that goes along with it. I was a coach, I'm a father, love my country, et cetera. And that's all to be expected. But it's all sort of wrapped into a bigger narrative. Megan, that's wholly untrue. When he talks about how he had zero experience in politics and really wanted to run for office, what he doesn't tell you is he actually left his army unit that was being sent to Iraq. He abandoned them because he wanted a political career. There are details like that that are not included. And obviously, anybody standing before a convention is going to want to put the best gloss on themselves. But there are so many missing elements to his story. And I think the american people are going to learn more and more about Tim Walts and how absolutely radical he is, which makes him the perfect running mate for Kamala Harris.

But it has very little to nothing to do with a man he portrayed himself as last night.

Megyn Kelly
You know, Hogan, it was weird for me because I saw him get up there and I saw his kids crying and clapping for him. And it was touching. It was sweet, you know, in the same way I thought it was sweet when Ashley Biden and Joe Biden hugged, and he cried when he hugged his daughter. Like those human moments, they do tug at the heartstrings. You'd be inhuman not to feel it. And yet, when he started speaking, all I could think was, it's very nice that your children support you, and I'm happy for you that you have this beautiful family. However, you're literally making it as easy as possible for healthy kids to chop off their healthy body parts and sterilize themselves for life away from their loving parents. As your state allows for custodial hearings that yank them out of their loving homes so your Minnesota doctors can chop them up. I stop feeling warm and fuzzy about that point.

Monica Crowley
No question. And our friend Michael Knowles, I think, characterized it after he went through everything that Tim Walts had done to children in his state. Is Minnesota being the windowless white van of the Midwest, kind of showcasing all the problems, giving you the image? It was so funny. But interestingly enough, Kamala Harris wishes she could do all of the things that Tim Walts actually did in Minnesota. So all the radical check boxes that she talks about, Tim actually did those things in his state.

And 15 minutes was all we got from him. I tweeted after, wait, that's it? That's all we got? Because I kept waiting for him to kind of wrap in all the things they wanted to do or all the ways they were going to improve our lives, or at least promise to.

What we didn't hear was this whole notion that his flannel is going to somehow wrap around the nation and warm us all in our hearts and do so much good for us. This midwestern values and the thought that he could use his midwestern bona fides to get more votes for her.

No one in the Midwest thinks it's okay to mandate putting tampons into boys bathrooms in high school. No one in the Midwest thinks it's okay to use taxpayer dollars to give illegal aliens free health care or free college tuition. No one in the midwest thinks it's okay to set up a snitch line during COVID So if you see your neighbor doing something outside of their home, call the government. And then on top of that, he sends in the national Guard to shoot paintballs at people standing on their front porch. So all this freedom he's talking about obviously doesn't exist in his state. Unless you want the freedom to burn down the city, then it's okay, because had those people on the front porch with the video we've seen of, of being fired upon by National Guard troops in Minnesota. Had those people just wave their hands and said, no, no, we're part of BLM. We're going downtown to burn down the city. They would have said, sure, right this way, go ahead. This whole week is problematic messaging for their side because they are the ones in charge and have been in control of this government now for four years, and they act like they can fix it all when they're the ones who broke it. And if they have the prescriptions to fix it, they're waiting five months to do so while you let the people suffer. The whole thing is a scam. And I think after this is all said and done, it will be a messaging war to the finish. And defining who this ticket is the most radical in history. She is more radical than Joe Biden and less likable.

Will be incumbent upon the Trump campaign to do just that.

Megyn Kelly
You know, what's so dark is like the whole mind your own damn business. And by the way, I'm from upstate New York. That's where I spent all my, you know, formative years in Syracuse and Albany. And it's very midwestern in its a, in its tenor, in its culture. We have a lot in common with our friends of the Midwest. And if they had any idea in a place like upstate New York that they were. That their government was pushing the kind of things that the Biden Harris administration is pushing and that the Harris Walls administration is going to push, they would run. Run to vote Republican. One of the things that's gone under the radar, and it's really bothering me because they're like, mind your own damn business. Mind your own. Yes, that does appeal as a message. But what they mean is when I send a boy into your daughter's locker room naked, then into her sport, so he can win and she can't, mind your own damn business. Keep your mouth shut. That's none of your business as a parent. Stay out of it. And if you don't believe me, we talked a lot on the show about title IX and the crazy revisions that Biden Harris just pushed through. And thank God the US Supreme Court has, has stayed them for now because there's been so many legal challenges, because it's totally unconstitutional. But at the same time, Monica, what the Biden Harris administration did was they went to the EEOC and they said, for all corporations, you need to make sure that any man who wants to use the women's bathroom at work is able to.

And you need to make sure everybody in your office place is using the preferred pronouns of whatever trans person declares themselves to be in your workplace. So it is mandated government speech, which is totally unconstitutional. And I'll tell you right now, I'm my own boss. But if I were ever working in a place where they tried to make me call a man, a female, and refer to him as she her, I wouldn't. And I take my case all the way up to the US Supreme Court. But that's the sort of, quote, freedom this ticket is talking about.

Hogan Gidley
Yeah. And you know what? Megan Orwell really warned about this about 100 years ago, right, when he wrote Animal Farm in 1984. And he based, those books are warnings. They're based on the totalitarian systems of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. And again, they're meant to be warnings are not meant to be instruction manuals. And yet here we are. So what they do in this orwellian twist is they completely upend the narrative and they completely upend the language. This is what all dictatorships do. We're in a tyranny right now. I hope everybody really understands what we're up against here. But what you're describing, Megan, is a critical part of it. This has been a rolling marxist revolution for a long time. And the gender agenda that you describe, and I know you feel so passionately about it, like all of us do. You have children. So many of us have kids. Grandkids. Whatever the case might be, this is a cornerstone of cultural Marxism. It is about smashing the nuclear family and having the government step in as literally everything. Your family, your job, your community, your spiritual nourishment. That's what it is. But the gender part of this is a critical element of this kind of cultural Marxism. Then they take the language, as you've heard all week, and they got the big slogans, freedom. They are the most anti freedom people that we've ever seen at the top of our government. You can call them communists, you can call them marxists, you can call them globalists, whatever label.

The result is the same, that they are delivering this kind of tyrannical system of government and messaging and control over, over your life to an extent that we have never seen in America. And I'll tell you this, Megan, this has been going on for almost a century, that this project to infiltrate and undermine and destroy the United States from within. Which is why when you hear people say, this is the most important election of our lifetimes, that's true. But this is why. Because everything feels accelerated, that the whole vibe, the whole energy in the country is off, whether you're a believer or not, people, like people just sense that something is not right here. And it's because these revolutionaries are in their end game and because they did their long march through the institutions, which is what the communists called it, not what I call it, long march through the institutions they now control, the government, academia, news media, the culture, movies, television, music, and now big tech. They literally control all of the levers of power and the flow of information.

So when they talk about freedom, they're relying on big tech and the news media and Hollywood to amplify that lie. It's a complete inversion of the language. And they're hoping enough people fall for it that will get them across the finish line.

Megyn Kelly
We have enough, we have examples of this every day. Hogan let me bring it to you. Just today. We have. Judy Woodruff on PBS.

This was yesterday. She did it. But it's in the news this morning, going out there and actually having the nerve to report on the air that Donald Trump is trying to stop a negotiated ceasefire in Israel, in Gaza, because he doesn't want a win on the record, that might help. KAMALA Harris, listen to Judy Woodruff Judy.

Hogan Gidley
The reporting is that former President Trump is on the phone with the prime.

Megyn Kelly
Minister of Israel, urging him not to cut a deal right now, because that is, it's believed that would help the Harris campaign. So I don't know where, where that, I don't know who knows whether that will come about or not. But I have to think that the Harris campaign would like for President Biden to do what presidents do, which is work on that one. Yeah.

That was so grossly irresponsible, it led to Netanyahu's office directly issuing a statement calling that a complete lie.

Then she tried to blame it on Axios and Reuters. She comes out in an apology, quote, unquote, yesterday via x. I want to clarify, clarify. No, the words you're looking for is retract, retract and apologize, not click. There's not a clarification. That's an ass covering word. My remarks on the PBS news special on Monday about the ongoing ceasefire talks in the Middle east, as I said, this was, this was not based on my original reporting. I was referring to reports I had read in Axios and Reuters about former President Trump, Trump having spoken to the israeli prime minister in the live tv moment. I repeated the story because I hadn't seen later reporting that both sides denied it. If this was a mistake, I apologize for it. But here's the thing.

We've gone back, we've tried to find the Axios and Reuters report on which she allegedly based this misinformation. And we have been unable to do so. Now, Axios has only an updated report in which they say a call took place between Trump and Netanyahu. And their updated report says Netanyahu office denies the call.

And they actually report in this thing that the call was intended by Trump to encourage Netanyahu to take the deal. It has exactly the opposite intent and message and substance of what she reported. Reuters, as far as we can see, only had a report that cited the Axios report, not any of its own original reporting. Now, does that mean there never was one? And Axios, you know, maybe they clarified and they scrubbed their earlier report. I haven't seen that. And I've online directly asked both axios and Reuters for clarification because if they're to blame, they should raise their hands and say, we, we screwed it up, too. So far they haven't. So. But the point is, these mistakes only ever run in one direction. Hogan. And that is to make Donald Trump look bad, right?

Monica Crowley
I'm so glad you put it that way because we used to always talk about the algorithms and the failures of big tech. They never cut in favor of our side. It's always against us. Listen, the Biden debate really exposed the media in a way that I don't think they've really been laid this bare in a long time. This is more than a hatred for Donald Trump or a bias against Donald Trump. This is now an investment in Kamala Harris. They're protecting her because they don't want her to be exposed, and then they themselves be exposed again for lying about her. Remember, this is the same media that said the Russia collusion was real, that the hunter Biden laptop and the Ashley Biden diary were fake. The same media that said, behind the scenes, Joe Biden's really a triathlete, you just don't see it. Of course, this is the same media that told us, hey, by the way, Kamala Harris should really be off this ticket. She's a drag on the ticket. No one likes her. The staffs are at war. They don't, they don't respect her. She berates her staff. She's horrible. Now they're saying she's the best vice president ever and would be the best president ever. The media's decline is so obvious because they do things like this all of the time. And I'll give you just one quick story about myself here in Washington, DC. I got invited to something that they have all the time. And I walked in the room and I remember seeing people in the room, a lot of journalists, and one of them was largely responsible for the Russia collusion lie.

He was getting back slapped and handshakes all over the room. And people are looking at me like I'm the jerk. And I'm thinking, this is the guy who did, who took you all on all the wrong journeys, who gave you all the wrong information that you parroted and now has ruined your reputation. And somehow I'm the one who's Persona non grata in the room. Not that I care, because it's the media elite, but the point is the american people are now onto this. That in large part, as I like to say, the media's popularity is between Congress and Covid because they continue to lie to us all of the time. And running with stories like this, they don't care if it's not true. They just want it in the ether so that it's reported many times it's retweeted. And so that that's what sits in people's mind. So at the very least, it kind of makes those middle of the road voters waver a little bit. Whether they know it's true or not doesn't matter. And they don't get punished for it. They don't get fired for it. They get awards for it. So there is no incentive to stop that behavior.

Megyn Kelly
No, exactly right. And if as long as they're bashing Trump, they're in good standing with their elite cocktail party circles, that's really the only, all, quote, mistakes will be forgiven. All, you know, malpractice as a journalist will be forgiven. Just as long as it hurt Trump. Your heart was in the right place.

There's a Washington Post report out today talking about how we really need to examine Joe Biden's health. Like he really did need to step down. After having seen him on Monday night, the Washington Post editorial board is now seeing the light. Oh, really? Now you really are. Because here's what they, here's what they tweeted out. Here it is. Hold on a second. The opinion by the editorial board is Joe Biden's DNC speech shows the wisdom of him stepping aside. Now they're starting to see it. But here they are just last month, okay, just last month. Here's, this is June 15. Cheap, fake Biden videos enrapture right wing media, but deeply mislead. And this it goes on to read as follows. A particularly effective attack on a political candidate can come in the form of a video snippet that appears to reinforce an existing stereotype. The social media feed of the RNC regularly churns out misleading clips of President Biden, 81, intended to show that he is too old for the job. So misleading. And yet now that he's out and she's doing well in the polls, it's a totally different opinion. Monica, there, they see it very differently now. He really needed to go. By the way, here's another thing.

In May of 2023, they had an opinion piece in Wapo. Joe Biden's 80. At his age, should he be running in 2024 by the editorial board? What's the right way to think about his unique situation? First, voters need to maintain a sense of perspective. Don't compare me to the almighty. He always says, compare me to the alternative. He's got a point, particularly if the alternative is four more years of Mister Trump. Mister Biden's physicians have declared him credibly in good physical and mental shape relative to his years. So we're all good to go. And now today.

Yeah, second thought. He really needed to go.

Hogan Gidley
Yeah. I mean, it would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic and frankly, dangerous to the health of our republic. Megan, what you just laid out, look, they all knew that he was essentially senile back in 2020. They protected him because of his age and because of COVID they allowed him to run his campaign from the basement. But, you know, here's a bigger point. The imperial media, President Nixon called them, and I love that phrase, the imperial media. Yeah, right. With no checks or balances on them, unlike a presidency, which has a million checks and balances on, on the presidency. But the imperial media has always been biased to the left. The difference in the Trump era is that the level of activism and intensity has gone off the charts. So whereas they always had an agenda and they always had some bias to them, now they are the enforcement arm of the propaganda of the system. Not just the Democrat party, not just the left, but the system, the security, state, law enforcement, et cetera. You know, sort of the dark, shadowy powers that actually run this country. They are the propaganda enforcement arm for them. So they will flat out lie. They will not pursue stories if they're inconvenient or damaging to their side, to the overall narrative and the overall movement of the country toward this kind of leftist cliff that we're being driven off of. Now, I remember President Nixon, and he was my very first boss in his last years, Megan. And I remember him saying to me, they will try to protect democrats at all costs.

But they will never straight up ignore a story. And this was in the context of Bill Clinton and the early days of Whitewater and before Monica Lewinsky. And he was saying they'll never ignore a story because they want the ratings, they want the eyeballs. They want their papers being sold. So they'll always, in the end, go for the story. That's no longer true. They will not do that. They will bury stories we saw with the Russia hoax. They'll amplify lies. They're being fed by the CIA. They're being fed by the FBI, and they just take the stories and run with them. They don't question them. And in fact, they're not stupid people. They're activists. So they know very well that what they're being fed is part of a narrative and they don't care. There's no, now there are exceptions to.

Megyn Kelly
The, they got so burned by those Hillary emails, they were like, oh, we're never helping a Republican get elected again. Heaven forbid. And the point she's making, Hogan, about the media and the way they're running cover here and talking about this convention like, oh, my God, no fact checking whatsoever. I talked about this yesterday, those three women who got up there to talk about their abortions and the one girl at the end who was like, you know, God love her, she was the victim of incest. Under Donald Trump, I would have had to have the baby. He's made clear umpteen times that he's in favor of exceptions. He's not even for the early bands that people like DeSantis are pushing. But put that to the side. He's made clear from the beginning he would always include an exception for rape, incest, or health of the mother, life of the mother. He has said that. Anyway, no fact check going there. So the, the reason they're so rabid about protecting her now, her and going after Trump is because this is how they think. Listen to Nancy Pelosi. The Trump war room actually just tweeted this out. Listen to her.

It can't tell which media outlet she's on here, but we'll see it in the clip. This is the stakes, according to Nancy.

And we have to defeat a person who is a threat to our democracy of the kind that we have not seen at the beginning of our country. Thomas Paine said, the Times have found us five, six, declare war, establish a new nation. Abraham Lincoln took up that charge to keep our country together. Years later, decades later, and now the times have found us to save our democracy. That is what we are here to do.

It's a Thomas Paine moment. He's the british crown. And I guess the Democrats are the revolutionaries.

Monica Crowley
Yeah. Democrats always accuse Republicans of things they themselves are guilty of actually doing. You'll remember the person from the stage. I don't remember what state she's from. I don't remember what office she holds, but I remember they made fun of her because the way she used her tongue during her list.

Megyn Kelly
Valerie somebody, Michigan.

Monica Crowley
There you go.

She was saying, can you imagine if Trump gets elected, he's going to, he could use the FBI to go after political opponents. He could weaponize the DOJ and go after us. And all the tweets were like, who's going to tell her? Like, this is exactly what you guys are doing. Someone like Nancy Pelosi understands that. And as you said, the media doesn't check her. They don't ask a tough question. They don't ask a follow up because they don't care about truth. The incuriosity of the media today is fascinating to me. And I used to be a journalist. I was an anchor and reporter years ago in some small markets around this country. And, you know, I was taught by a marxist atheist professor in college. And if you put an editorialized word in a story, he failed you. There was no question about it, because he cared so much about what he would call the sanctity of journalism and the sanctity of the written word. They don't care about this anymore. When you have politicians like Nancy Pelosi who have now been exposed as frauds themselves, no one's going to ask her about the stock genius that she is, how she's raking in millions of dollars, suspiciously timing all those great stock buys where no one else has that kind of information.

This is just another in a long line of failures by the media and by Democrat politicians, and they won't ever hold the left accountable for it. And I think that's a good, frustrating.

Megyn Kelly
Window into how they think. Like to hear her.

Monica Crowley
It's the willing, crazy pills.

Megyn Kelly
Here's another one.

Trump had a moment at one of his rally. He did his first outdoor rally yesterday since he was shot, which takes guts. I would not do it. It's much easier for people to be screened at an indoor arena where the police, the Secret Service can control who's coming in and who's not. The outdoor rallies are, they are more dangerous. And one of the new security procedures is to put him in front of, like a bulletin bulletproof glass shield. So there's two stories related to this involving the media. Number one, a woman at the rally fainted.

She, she was, I think, suffering from heat exhaustion or something. And Trump left his protected space and went out and gave this woman a hug. Watch this. Sat 29 speaker, one stronger.

Tucker Carlson
Oh, a doctor, please.

Megyn Kelly
There's a president in North Carolina.

Here's the Newsweek tweet on the story. The tweet reads as follows. Donald Trump suddenly stops rally and asks for a doctor, please.

Clearly, they're trying to make it look like he is so old and infirm he had a medical incident. It's a total lie. By the way, Kamala Harris also had something like that happen to at a rally. She did not go and hug the person. She just kept going. In fact, she used it to make a jab on Trump about something else, so that this is the media. Like, oh, he needs a doctor. Be, beware. And here's my second point on it.

Buzzfeed thought it was downright hilarious how Trump looked behind the bulletproof glass. These people are sick.

Look at this. It's not even correct grammar. This picture of Donald Trump behind bulletproof glass is now a unintentionally hilarious new meme.

A unintentionally. Okay, Matt. Matt stopers, you need to go back to english class. That's number one. Then you need to go to journalism class and figure out how to handle, handle the sensitivity of a former president being shot in the head a month ago. It's not a funny meme. And this moron on Buzzfeed tweeted out, all these stupid comments are not even clever. I'll give you a couple. Just so people understand what he was going for. It's how I feel. Looking out the car window on a rainy day. It's every London shower cubicle, one one use after cleaning the Scorpion lollipop I bought in Arizona. This is so stupid and insensitive. Monica, I know we shouldn't have high standards for the media, but however high they are, they're still coming in under them.

However.

Hogan Gidley
Yeah, however. However much you hate the propaganda press, the imperial media, it's not nearly enough. These people are disgusting. And in many ways, they're unhuman. Megan and Hoagley Hogan. Because there's no, like, there's no humanity to what they bring to their coverage. Forget about journalistic principles. That's long gone. But just a basic sense of humanity in covering a person. You don't have to vote for Donald Trump. You don't have to like Donald Trump, but he's a human being. He's a father. He's a grandfather. Okay? He is a man who is trying to do his best to bring his country back. And again, you don't have to agree with him, but the fact that he almost had his brains blown out on live tv five weeks ago, and these people can't bring themselves to express, they don't even have to be sensitive about it, just don't cover it at all. But they refuse to do it. There are some of these, some of these same people, Megan, are the ones who say, oh, it's too bad that he missed a, that the shooter missed.

This is exactly what we're talking about. It's this unhuman mentality that goes along with every batch of revolutionaries that have come down the pike through american history. Revolutionaries are generally impatient and they're also killers. And they like to see their enemies dehumanized, discredited, smeared, attacked, and in some cases dead. And unfortunately, Megan, I think that's where we are. And it's not just on the left, it's shot through the journalistic community where they're expressing this kind of stuff. So they're not even just liars, which of course they are, but now they've taken it next level where they're actively rooting for a former president, likely next president's death. This is where we are totally undoing.

Megyn Kelly
Openly and all the questions about whether he really took a bullet and I mean, those went on and weren't apologized for. It's just so disgusting spiriting. Guys, I got to run. Thank you for being here, Monica and Hogan. To be continued. We'll, we'll do it again soon and in 1 minute.

Tucker Carlson
Thanks.

Megyn Kelly
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Megyn Kelly
Joining me now, US Congressman Adam Smith, a Democrat representing Washington state's 9th district. He is the ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee. Representative Smith, welcome to the show. Can. Let's talk about what happened with the Joe Biden second term, and, you know, him stepping down, because I will say, I noticed you were one of the first and only to come out and say, no, these are legitimate concerns, and he really does need to step down, which was very gutsy. So what made you do that?

Adam Smith
Well, my view is it had to be done. I think it was obvious to me after that debate, and I had concerns before, but those concerns were balanced with the idea that, yeah, I think he could probably still do it after the debate. There was just no question in my mind that he could not effectively deliver the message that my party needed to be delivered in this campaign.

And I also felt very strongly that, that we did have other candidates who could and that it would, you know, we'd get better and get stronger. And so I didn't really have any hesitation about it. Cause it was just so clear to me that it was the right thing to do for the Democratic Party and for the country to have somebody else be the democratic nominee in this year's election. And I think that has clearly played out to be the case. There is considerable enthusiasm around Kamala Harris and Tim Walls. And I think now, you know, we're gonna have a serious contested election, and that's what I think the country deserves.

Megyn Kelly
See, I totally agree with you. And even though I understood that it would probably hurt, I've been open about the fact that I'm going to vote for the republican ticket this time around, that it would hurt my preferred candidates of choice. I didn't care because he just. It was very obvious there's no way he could do another four years. But I do have ongoing concerns about whether he can do another five months. And when I look at the schedule he's keeping right now, which is just like a vacation, it's one long vacation. I have ongoing concerns about now through January. Do you?

Adam Smith
No, I really don't. I mean, the president is running the country. I think effectively, he's got a good team around him. And look, you know, certainly if you were president, it'd be great to get out and do press conferences, talk to people, do rallies, maybe. But the really important job is to make sure you're working with your national security team. Obviously, it's an area I care a great deal about. They are continuing to push to try to get a ceasefire in the Middle east and to stop the war from spreading. We're continuing to support Ukraine.

The AuKus agreement is moving forward as we try to make sure that we can deter China. So I think the job is getting done. Campaigning is an entirely different thing. It is an exhausting experience that I don't think the president was up to, but, yes, I think he can get us through where we at now. I think you're right. Another five months as president and I see no evidence the jobs aren't getting done that need to be done.

Megyn Kelly
I hope you're right. My own objection is I don't know who these people are, who's running the country, but that's for another day.

Let's talk about the Democratic National Convention. Kamala Harris, Tim Walz. She hasn't done any interviews. I mean, when you push for a substitute nominee, did you envision somebody who wouldn't speak to the media at all, who wouldn't hold a single press conference, who wouldn't give a single interview in now a month's time? And all we have right now is a promise that by the end of the month, month she will schedule one.

Tucker Carlson
Yeah.

Adam Smith
No, I think she's going to do a lot more interviews and a lot more press conferences. What I don't think people appreciate is how unprecedented the situation is even as we sit here today. Kamala Harris has been running for president for almost exactly one month. Usually when you're out the nominating process, the nominee has been campaigning for 18 months. She had to consolidate the support of the Democratic Party around her in a record amount of time. And she had to get out there and deliver a message across the country telling people what her vision was. She had to get that right. She had to build her campaign team. So that was not the time to go out and start doing a bunch of interviews and a bunch of press conferences. Now, I'll make you a deal. If a month from now it's the case that she hasn't done them.

Tucker Carlson
Yeah.

Adam Smith
Well, then I think we have something to talk about. But I'm quite confident that as soon as we get out of the convention that she's going to do the interview, she's going to do the press conferences and she's going to do what all presidential candidates do. I've seen her do interviews. I've seen her do press conferences. I've seen her give speeches. I think she's going to handle all of that just fine.

Megyn Kelly
Well, I certainly hope you're right. I mean, a month from now, we're going early voting's already underway, so it's a little late. I mean, the people in Pennsylvania who are going to go to the polls on September 16, they deserve to hear her pressed, cross examined by skeptical reporters who ask her about her flip flops and positions. As we've only learned from campaign representatives, what's happening now is not, as the Democratic Party likes to say, democratic is not democratic.

Let's talk about some other issues that have come up. Tim Walls has been accused of stolen valor by men who have served the country in good faith and put everything on the line for the stars and Stripes, 50 of whom just wrote a letter demanding that he admit he lied about his rank and about his decision not to go to Iraq, which he made knowing that his unit was about to be deployed.

Adam Smith
So, yeah, sorry.

Megyn Kelly
Should he come out and apologize?

Adam Smith
Those are just shameful lies. I mean, there's so many aspects of that that are just completely dishonest.

I am talking about the accusations that are being made against him. They are absolute lies to begin with. You talk about. Well, I'm getting there. Just give me a second.

To begin with, you talk about the 50 people. I think it was 40, but whatever the number was, one of them was Ronnie Jackson, who put on the letter that he was a rear admiral. He was actually busted down to captain for misconduct. So this is the credible source that we're going to. That letter had to be changed. There was also a whole bunch of people that claimed to be retirees from the military who were not.

Megyn Kelly
Okay, but we've had guys from Tim Walls unit on this show like Tom Barrett.

Adam Smith
I understand that.

Megyn Kelly
So what to speak to that?

Adam Smith
What the actual fact are he decided to run for Congress in February. He got out of the military in May, and his unit was called up in July and I believe didn't deploy until like six months after that. He left the guard unit specifically to run for Congress before the deployment orders came in. So it's just a lot.

Megyn Kelly
No, he knew they were going. Yeah, he did. Are you familiar with the fact that. Yes. Are you familiar with the fact that there was a senior commanding officer who went on CNN and said that they were told in the fall of 2004 that they were going to be deployed to Iraq and not yet filed papers to run for Congress.

Adam Smith
Credible level of dishonesty about what he was doing.

Megyn Kelly
He's a liar.

Adam Smith
He decided to, he keep putting words in my mouth, which I respect you on the lie.

Megyn Kelly
You said these are lies.

Adam Smith
Yes. The lies are being told about Tim balls. He did not get, he did not get out of the National Guard because he didn't want to deploy. To claim that is an absolute lie, 100%.

Megyn Kelly
That's not, that's not what the facts show. But I understand you have him on.

Adam Smith
Record somewhere saying, oh, my God, I'm going to Iraq. I have to run for Congress.

That's not what happened.

Megyn Kelly
I'll answer you.

I'll answer, you know, you asked me a question, so let me answer. There's a senior commanding officer who served with walls who said they were briefed in the fall of 2004 and told that they were likely to get the deployment notice at any time.

Adam Smith
Speaker one, likely.

Megyn Kelly
Take a listen to him, sir. Take a listen to.

Tucker Carlson
People don't really understand the concept or the chronological events as they occurred.

Monica Crowley
And I'm going to kind of start.

Tucker Carlson
Back in the fall of 2004 is what we received, my commander and myself.

Megyn Kelly
Of the first brigade, 34th Infantry Infantry.

Tucker Carlson
Division for grade Combat team, what's called a notification of sourcing, which is a NAS. We were informed that we would be alerted to go to Iraq within the next upcoming year or time period out there. Start preparing your team from that going forward.

We met with the, one of the 125 field artillery, introduced ourselves, talked to them and give them a heads up. This is what's happening. We don't know a full particulars, but we will get to it.

Megyn Kelly
That 125 is walls unit.

Adam Smith
Right. What is 100% a lie is to say that Tim Walz got out of the military so he wouldn't be deployed. That is an absolute lie. He had served his 20 years, first of all. Well, okay, you know, you don't know that. You don't have any evidence of it. So we're just going to claim the Tim walls.

Megyn Kelly
They were told in the fall of 2004 they were going to be deployed and he didn't go, but he had.

Adam Smith
Served his 20 years and he made a decision to run for Congress. So you're going to tell me that he was like, oh, my gosh, I'm going to be deployed. I've served. He has an absolute right at 20 years in particular, when you've served that.

Megyn Kelly
Much time to retire, democratization on armed services.

Tucker Carlson
I am understanding.

Megyn Kelly
So speak to the upset veterans. Don't speak to Megyn Kelly. This isn't, this isn't my issue. I don't like it, but it's not me raising it. It is veterans, you represent them on this committee. They are upset. They say this is completely extraordinary to leave your unit when you know they're being deployed.

Adam Smith
Really dishonest. There are a few, stop saying that.

Megyn Kelly
They're on the record. You're questioning the honesty now of our men and women in uniform who go on the record.

Political risk to themselves.

Adam Smith
Be respectful of that words out here. I am not questioning that. I am questioning the notion that there is all of these people who are questioning it. There are also a ton of people who have served with Tim Walls, who have testified to his courage, who have said, that's not true. That didn't happen. So yes, there may be a few veterans. I don't know what their motivations are. I don't know who they are who are saying this. But again, let's just take a step back, back for 1 second. The accusation that Tim Walls didn't want to deploy with his unit and that's why he got out, that is simply not what the facts show.

Tucker Carlson
All right.

Megyn Kelly
That's your facts.

Adam Smith
That he's in Congress and he said, you already said that 20 years.

Megyn Kelly
Speak to the, using the rank that doesn't belong to him. How about calling himself a retired command sergeant major? Can you defend that speaker one most absolutely.

Adam Smith
He was promoted to be a command sergeant major. So at one point he served in that rank. Now the way it works, which is not something that people aren't familiar with the military would be aware of, you have to do a little bit more to be able to retire at that rank. Okay. So it is not wrong to say that Tim Walz was a command sergeant major. He was. It is wrong to say that he retired at that rank. And that came out a couple of times and they corrected it. Okay. And you can see where, okay, he's both retired and he was a command sergeant major, but he is not a retired command sergeant major. That is true. And I think that is a very innocent mistake. That does not show any desire.

Megyn Kelly
Speaker one. But you know, congressman, are you aware that he's had veterans going to his office to say, stop doing that? You were up commands sergeant. No, he didn't. He blew them off. This is years ago, sir. He did not. He continues saying it over and over. Here he is. Listen to him. This is all long after he was told by veterans, stop doing that. It's stolen valor. Listen, here he is.

Tucker Carlson
Listen, I'm a retired command sergeant major. I spent 24 years in the Army National Guard. So when you first came to Washington, you were a retired command sergeant major in the Army National Guard. So you. You were drawn immediately to as a 24 year veteran of the National Guard and the Red Bull division and a retired command sergeant major.

Yeah.

Megyn Kelly
The Harris website had retired command sergeant major. They had to scrub it long after veterans had been complaining to him.

Tucker Carlson
Yeah.

Adam Smith
Look, I understand this line of attack, okay? If I had Donald Trump as my nominee, I would be wanting to talk about absolutely anything else possible.

Megyn Kelly
So the veterans are their political supports?

Tucker Carlson
Well.

Adam Smith
Well, there are a whole lot of veterans who are defending Tim Walls. Do you think they're lying? Do you think they're designing.

Megyn Kelly
Defending the use of a title he didn't earn? Who's defending the use of a title he didn't earn?

Adam Smith
Speaker one? There are a ton of people. They're defending the fact that that's not what he did. Okay, I just played it for you.

Megyn Kelly
There's plenty more. We could be here all day if I played them all.

Adam Smith
There are a ton of veterans who are standing up for Tim Wall. So you keep saying if I disagree with a veteran that I must be dishonoring their service.

Megyn Kelly
That's calling them liars. You're calling them liars. That's why you are disagreeing. Liars. Yes.

Adam Smith
You. You are disagreeing with a whole bunch of veterans, too, who stand up.

Megyn Kelly
Not true, sir. Not true. I have no issue with those who say they like Tim Walls and they want to vote for Jim Walls. That's their business. You come in the show veterans, liars or political operatives, we're going to throw down.

Adam Smith
I. Yeah, okay, that's. It was dishonest of all of these people to say, well, if they want to say, now what you had that one person say, which was, okay, we were given this notification.

We had to believe that we were probably going to be deployed at some point in the future. That's not dishonest. 100% not dishonest. But if you want to be, but if you want to climb into Tim Walls's skin, into his brain and say, and if you are a veteran and you are saying publicly that Tim Walls decided to get out because he didn't want to go to Iraq, then you are saying something that you cannot possibly know to be true.

Megyn Kelly
Well, then why doesn't he speak to that? Why does he speak to that? Because these veterans have come out and said, please admit you lied. Speak to it. He won't get an interview, but all he keeps saying is, I'm proud of my service. I'm proud of my service. Then spend. Answer them. Oh, show them the dignity and the respective response. Responding.

Adam Smith
Megan, let me just say this. Okay. He has responded on a number of occasions to this.

Megyn Kelly
No, he hasn't.

Adam Smith
And you and I are trying to have a conversation here, which is not going well at all because I think there are some really important issues. And look, there are some legitimate challenges. I think your point about Kamala Harris needing to do press conferences, that's legit. I wish we could have a conversation to talk about what is the economic record? What are the economic plans going forward? What is the national security, foreign policy, what is the future of democracy in America. Those are very important issues. But personal attacks like this are just an easier place to go rather than having an honest discussion. And I think that's unfortunate. I don't think that's, well, I would love to back to your, back to your, back to your point about Joe Biden. Okay.

Tucker Carlson
Yeah.

Adam Smith
As I said up front, I wanted to have strong candidates, to have a legitimate debate, not to get into these personal attacks and go back and rewrite history about what was in Tim Walz's mind when he decided to run for Congress in fed.

Megyn Kelly
I understand and I discuss all those topics with you, and you are welcome to come back anytime when we have more time and we'll get into all of those. But I think you're wrong to dismiss these as personal attacks. And you should know that as the chairman, well, ranking member of the Armed services Committee, the veterans of this country take this very seriously indeed. For the record, it was not just, it was not just, it was not just senior commander Julene and his allegations about the fall of 2018, of 2004. We know that he got a notice in March of 2005 saying they were about to get a deployment notice. He didn't retire until May. He knew when he retired, he knew his unit was going, the guys he trained, the guys whose lives would be in his hands. And those guys are on the record and saying they felt incredibly his country for 20, commander in chief and decided.

Adam Smith
To run for Congress in February. Okay? And that's the decision that he made of. And there is no evidence whatsoever, there is no evidence whatsoever that Tim Walls doesn't have the courage to stand up for his country. There is no evidence of that. And I think it's a, it's, it's, it's a despicable charge to throw at somebody. It just is.

Megyn Kelly
Well, that's, I'm sorry you think that our servicemen are despicable. I keep putting words about it. Is it who's making the charge, sir, it is veterans who have served. It's the guy who didn't cut and run, not the guys who actually did go. They got the deployment notice and they went and they fought. And three of their units, those are the ones making the allegations. You want to put it on? MEGYN Kelly? I'm their voice, sir.

Adam Smith
Honor their courage. Okay, I do. And I support them. And you, Megan, I like you. You're a good person. You are not the only person standing up for veterans and the people who serve our country.

Megyn Kelly
Of course not. I never suggested I gotta go because the computer's gonna cut us off and I don't have to say you're there. Thank you, stand up person, for coming on. To be continued, representative, you're welcome back anytime.

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