Media Quits Biden Cognitive Fitness Cover-Up, and Trump Gets Massive Immunity Ruling From Supreme Court, with Charlie Kirk | Ep. 827

This episode delves into the media's sudden shift in covering President Biden's cognitive health and a significant Supreme Court decision granting immunity to former President Trump.

1. Media outlets have shifted their coverage on Biden's cognitive issues following public debate mishaps.
2. This media pivot could influence Democratic strategies and voter confidence ahead of elections.
3. The Supreme Court ruling on Trump's immunity is a critical legal precedent that could shape the extent of presidential powers and immunities.
4. The ruling might significantly impact Trump's legal battles and his political future.
5. Discussions on the episode also touch on the role of the administrative state and potential biases in judicial proceedings regarding presidential actions.

1: Introduction to the Shift in Media Coverage

Megyn Kelly introduces the topic of the media's changed approach to covering Biden's cognitive fitness, citing various national news outlets that have now begun to address concerns previously ignored. Megyn Kelly: "We know the media revolt against him is well underway."

2: Analysis of the Supreme Court's Immunity Ruling

The implications of the Supreme Court's decision on Trump's immunity are analyzed, discussing the broader impacts on the judicial interpretation of presidential powers. Charlie Kirk: "This is a great ruling for Trump... it sets a significant precedent."

3: Political Reactions and Implications

The episode explores reactions from various political figures and entities on both the media's coverage of Biden and the Supreme Court ruling, discussing potential political strategies moving forward. Megyn Kelly: "It's not just the media, though. The media matters, especially in Democrat circles."

1. Stay Informed: Keep up with multiple news sources to understand the full spectrum of media bias and coverage.
2. Critical Analysis: Analyze legal rulings on their broader implications, not just the immediate effects.
3. Engage Politically: Understanding the political landscape can help in making informed voting decisions.
4. Seek Transparency: Advocate for clarity and accountability from both media and political figures.
5. Educate Others: Share insights from credible analyses to combat misinformation.

Megyn Kelly begins the show by discussing the very real possibility President Joe Biden could drop out as the nominee by the end of the week, as corporate media outlets favorable to Biden are now calling for him to drop out. But will he listen? Turning Point USA's Charlie Kirk, author of "Right Wing Revolution," joins to talk about whether Democratic politicians will start turning on Biden, the corporate media no longer willing to engage in the Biden cognitive decline cover-up anymore, whether it could be Jill Biden that takes over as the nominee, MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski pushing ridiculous pro-Biden spin this morning, one Biden surrogate assuring there's a "team of people that will help govern," who really might be running the country, whether Democrats will look to avoid a "Ruth Bader Ginsburg" situation by pushing Biden out as nominee, the initial calls for Biden to step down but then the push to blame Biden's advisers, Trump's smart debate strategy of letting Biden fail, CNN moderators' surprisingly strong performance, the massive ruling for Trump when it comes to immunity, the difference between official and unofficial acts as president, how the ruling could affect the Georgia and Florida cases too, Justice Clarence Thomas' warning to Jack Smith as part of the SCOTUS immunity ruling, Justice Amy Coney Barrett's alarming recent judicial rulings, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson joining with the conservatives on January 6 ruling, Justice Sonia Sotomayor "treason" comment, and more.

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Joe Biden, Donald Trump, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Megyn Kelly, Charlie Kirk

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Charlie Kirk

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Opportunity builder welcome to the Megyn Kelly show, live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at noon. East hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show. We are officially halfway through 2024, and the big question is whether President Joe Biden will be the democratic nominee by the end of this week. We know the media revolt against him is well underway. Paper after paper suddenly reporting on the story that has been obvious to just about anyone with eyes and ears for months, and let's be honest, years now. Joe Biden is struggling and his age has caught up with him. It's not a pleasant story to report on. No one's enjoying watching this, but we've been forced to by Jill Biden and the cabal around him and by the candidate himself.

We on this show reported on Joe Biden's obviously faltering mental cognition more than two years ago. That was episode 339. We talked about it on the show before we did it, saying, look, it feels kind of mean, it feels a little rude, but it's a story. And not a lot of people were doing it back then. But that was at a time when the Democrats could still have realistically held a competitive primary.

Others should have been honest about what we were all seeing, people with influence among the far left in particular, but they wouldn't. They were running cover for the guy they thought could beat the modern day Hitler, Donald Trump.

So many in the larger media and members of the president's staff and family have been lying to you for a very long time and asking you not to believe your lying eyes.

Now, however, in the wake of Mister Biden's disastrous debate performance, the media elite have finally woken up and they are in full on panic mode as they attempt to push out this president. Here's just a small sampling from over the past two days from the New York Times. The headline, to serve his country, President Biden should leave the race. The editorial board writing in part, as it stands, the president is engaged in a reckless gamble. The Atlanta Journal Constitution writing, it's time for Biden to pass the torch. Let's not forget, Georgia has become a critical swing state. From the New Yorker, for the president to insist on remaining the democratic candidate would be an act not only of self delusion, but of national endangerment. Editor David Remnick, evoking Mark Twain's quote, it is sad to go to pieces like this, but we all have to do it. Speaking of aging, writing, quote, on Thursday night, it was Joe Biden's turn, but unlike the rest of us, he went to pieces on CNN in front of tens of millions of his compatriots.

Both the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal editorial boards did not go that far, but said bowing out should be seriously considered by the president, something Van Jones echoed on CNN moments after the debate. Maureen Dowd and Tom Friedman at the New York Times. We know that Mister Biden himself reads Maureen Dowd religiously. We believe her column was the reason he finally acknowledged his 7th grandchild, Navy Biden.

Both Dowd and Tom Friedman at the Times calling for Mister Biden to step aside. Doubt in acerbic terms, which I will quote in more full terms in a moment.

Their colleague Ezra Klein, who's been calling for an open convention since February, took a victory lap on his podcast and spared no one around the president.

Mister Biden's favorite tv show host Joe Scarborough, said it was time for the president to consider leaving this race to help his party defeat Donald Trump.

And this didn't just come from America, Britain's largest culture, or current affairs magazine. The Economist called on President Biden to step aside.

And yet there's always the one, the Philadelphia Inquirers editorial board taking a different tact, instead calling on Trump to leave the race, saying, quote, Biden had a horrible night Thursday. But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

It's not just the media, though. The media matters, especially in Democrat circles. Democrat donors, too, are unhappy, and a call between the Biden campaign and a large group of them is scheduled for this evening. Money talks. We're also hearing reports of some delegates already pledged to Joe Biden in a major freakout, saying, how on earth am I going to vote for this guy? Chris Eliza had a piece on this. How am I going to actually go in there and do what I've been pledged to do when I understand this guy cannot be the president for four more years?

My guest for the full show today is someone I've been wanting to talk to since the debate, and that's Charlie Kirk. He's founder and CEO of turning Point USA. You can get involved and should@tpusa.com. and he is host of the Charlie Kirk show podcast.

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Charlie, great to have you. He's also out with a new book that's available to buy right now. It's called right wing Revolution, how to beat the woke and save the west. All of which got a big assist thanks to the president's performance on Thursday night. Charlie, welcome back. So the media, thank you. Almost universally left wing media, but I repeat myself, has turned on him. But the top Democrat politicians, Obama, Hillary, Hakeem Jeffries in the House, James Clyburn, publicly have not, though there are reports now that behind closed doors, Pelosi, Jeffries, and Clyborne have all expressed serious doubts about his ability to continue. So where does that leave us today? On Monday?

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Well, first I want to tell you the story how I kind of saw the debate. And I think it's really important because those of us that are in free thinking media, we weren't that necessarily surprised by what we saw. So I watched the debate kind of alone, quarantined, without anybody around. I want to get my own opinions and my own perspectives shaped. So I'm watching the debate and Biden glitches and he kind of overloads and he talks about beating Medicare and all that. I said, oh, you know, that's just another day at the White House. You know, for me, the way that I was expecting a glitch that would be really bad would be like Joe Biden capsizing or him completely stumbling over his words for ten or 15 seconds straight. So I said, okay, that's bad. But obviously the american people are used to that. What was shocking, Megan, is that, no, they aren't used to that is because the mainstream media, for the last couple of years have been involved in an active cover up operation of Joe Biden's failing mental state. And there was no ability to cover it up right there. It was 50 million people plus the tens of millions of others that saw clips of it and the tens of millions of others that saw the debate coverage. And the media realized we can no longer do what we've been doing. We can no longer cover up for this. We can no longer lie. We can no longer smear. And you saw in real time that there was a green light lit as soon as that CNN debate ended. John King, he was the one that crossed the Rubicon.

He was the one that launched that original salvo. John King says, I'm talking lots of senior Democrats and they believe that it's time to remove them. And then all of a sudden, Chris Wallace piled on. And it was as if, as soon as that began. Jones David, yes, it was fashionable all of a sudden to go after Joe Biden. And again, there this on a scale of like one to ten of Joe Biden's typical press conference, it was bad, but it wasn't as bad as what we saw when he's reading the teleprompter that says stop talking or where he's just kind of meandering and he can't find the stairs. But it just goes to show how millions of people in this country have still not been exposed to what you and I see on a daily basis. And it's remarkable how much power the propaganda still have.

Donald Trump baited Joe Biden into this, and Joe Biden thought that he was going to be able to tighten the race and show that it's a choice between the stable Joe Biden and the out of control Donald Trump. The exact opposite has happened. And the Democrats are stuck on the surface. We're seeing people like Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and major donors like Reid Hoffman still have support for Joe Biden. But do you know what I find so interesting, Megan, is that for the first time since Joe Biden has become president, we are actually getting leaks out of the White House. For the first time that Joe Biden has become president. We're getting reporting.

I'm looking@political.com. and they say private conversations, detail that they want to fire AIDS and they want to, I said, wait a second. Where has this been during the border crisis or inflation or Ukraine when Donald Trump was president? I knew how the deputy intern for communications liked her coffee when Donald Trump was president.

A
But here's the question.

Have we always been getting leaks? But only now they're reporting it because the media is finally in a panic.

B
That's exactly right. Yes. And so they've just now decided to do reporting. And the specificity that New York Times, Bloomberg and Politico had about a walled off camp David meeting. And it's amazing. The Biden family, it's very mafioso over there. They say we're going to fire some of our top aides because the debate was not good. I said, wait a second. So you're going to fire some top aides over a bad debate performance but not over the fact that we have 7 million people that have come to this country illegally. You're running meat grinder in eastern Ukraine or we have hyperinflation. No, but what's going to get the aids on the chopping block is the fact that Joe Biden, they didn't get his chemistry right that night. But I think you're exactly right that the media has been receiving leaks for some time. But now they're, they're in an active measure of doing reporting and amazingly, telling.

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Now they realize we can no longer hide it. The public seen it, and therefore he needs to be turfed. We got to get rid of this guy ASAP, even though we were complicit. By the way, here's my favorite, and you obviously have been reporting about Joe Biden's snafu's glitches, whatever you want to call them. So have we. This is my favorite of the entire election season. By, see, by, by favorite, I mean the one that was most telling. Like, look at this guy. Here it is.

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Imagine what we can do next.

Four more years.

Pause.

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Four more years, Charlie, he said to pause. Four more years.

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Oh, yeah.

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Pause. I mean, there's a million of them.

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Oh, there's hundreds that I could just think of where he just goes, but no one covers it. So it doesn't get into the main zeitgeist and it doesn't get into the main narrative. What was the debate was different, though. To CNN's credit, they opened up the debate to every network, which I didn't think they were going to do. And CNN in some ways was far more fair and unusually neutral. And I'm still not sure how to deal with that. It's kind of bothered me the last couple of days.

And the other part was this, as soon as I watched the debate as it was over, I texted, we did a live stream and I texted our friends, my buddies. I said, CNN lost Joe Biden the debate because they went split screen. They didn't go full screen when the, when the presenter was, when they went split screen when Donald Trump was talking. I mean, again, I love Trump. And so they asked him about childcare. Start talking about the border. They asked him about the environment. He talks about the border. So Donald Trump's talking about the border. Half the debate, which is good for him. And you're not even listening to Trump. You're watching Joe Biden with his mouth open, stare into the abyss, and you're distracted because Joe Biden became the center of gravity and Donald Trump really didn't get as much attention. And CNN did that with the split screen. Secondly, speaker two, by the way, everybody.

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Noticed that because my audience knows that I listen a lot of my news.

I listen to it as opposed to read it. I'd like to have it read to me. And I use this app called Voice Stream, which is amazing. It reads your news articles to you. Anyway, everybody noticed it. Everyone noticed how Joe Biden was looking all the left wing press. And the funny thing that I experienced over the weekend was the word agape, which is how his mouth was. The whole debate is read by my little voice stream lady as agape. And she said it so many times. I was like, what is this, some native tribe that loves pineapples? What is agape? It was obvious. I heard it so many times. The mainstream media was pointing out, that's just something remarkable. How old and infirm are you if the jaw is now hanging open while you're just in listening mode?

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Well, so a couple things on that. And yeah, that's, hilariously, that's the greek word for sacrificial love, but has no application of that. But the ear, the ear is fairer than the eye. And by the way, that's why I love podcasting.

I've believed this for a very long time, that the listening of the orally transmitted word is a lot fairer to get to truth and the eye deceives us. And I think that as America's become, and this is a totally separate issue, but more towards podcasting and alternative media, we've gotten closer to the truth than just video consumption or cable television broadcasting, which obviously you and I did for quite some time. So when you listen to the debate, you're more likely to listen to what arguments are they making? What are they saying? And interestingly, it's very similar, by the way, to the Nixon JFK debate in the 1960s. When people listened to this debate, they did not have as dramatic of opinions as people who actually saw what Joe Biden looked like and saw that he was completely incapable. Oh, yeah. No, they, they saw the entire thing. And I'll say one other thing on this, which I think is really important, is that a picture? And that was one of his better pictures of the night, by the way.

And so there's a disagreement amongst the media of exactly how to handle this.

And each institution, you could tell, has kind of their own, their own way of approaching this. The New York Times just went completely all out the next morning. Thomas FRieda, New York I mean, it was just one after the other after the other. Chicago Tribune, we got to get rid of Joe Biden, the Atlantic. And then there was something, the Washington Post is not quite there yet. They said, you know, Joe Biden has to spend some personal time with his family. And now all eyes on who is really running the country. Very similar, by the way, to when Woodrow Wilson, a very bad president, was declining towards the end of his presidency. And Edith Wilson basically took control of the american presidency, which was his wife, is Jill Biden. Jill Biden is effectively running the country right now. No one voted for Jill Biden. No one really knows who she is. And she's not even a real doctor.

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No, she's not a real doctor. Even today, she's on the COVID of Vogue now. She got the vogue treatment, something they never did for Melania Trump, a literal supermodel. But Jill Biden's on the front of it now, and you can see it says, we will decide our future, though she was talking about women's rights. In any event, as she parades herself out there as, I guess, some sort of a fashion model. Okay, we are reminded of just last month. It was June 6, today's July 1, a couple of weeks ago, which she tweeted out a picture of herself sitting there with Joe Biden's jacket over her chair preparing for the g seven.

Why is she going to the, this 2021. Okay, so it's 2021. Even worse. How long has she been in charge? And the problem is that all of the Democrats hopes come down to what this woman wants. All of them come down to what? Can you imagine if they did this with Melania Trump preparing for the g seven, sitting in the president's chair, the g seven. And so they had a meeting at Camp David yesterday, on Sunday with intimate family and advisors. The NBC News had reported out that they were going to do this. It was a pre scheduled meeting, but that the focus had been updated to include President Biden's future. Then the White House tried to deny it. Then the White House got mad at NBC for not reporting that this has been pre planned. Then NBC sniped back. It's in paragraph two. Suck it. That was my edition. And they had this meeting. And who, who decided what he's going to do? Reportedly, Jill Biden and Hunter Biden.

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Yep.

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The biggest manistration. And honestly, Jill Biden turns out to be a bit of a grifter, too. She's, she's power hungry. She's like a Hillary Clinton. She's not a Laura Bush. She's not a Melania Trump. She's not somebody who's just there to support her husband. She seems to me like somebody who is out for her own power and can't let go.

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And it's, it's staring at us in the face. What if they pull Joe Biden with Joe Biden? And I'm not kidding. First female president. Joe can still be around. He's, his health is not the same way.

But I mean, it's right, it's staring at us right in the face. It's not Michelle Obama or Gretchen Whitmer. It's Biden.

Think about it, though.

I mean, she's on the front cover of Vogue.

They don't have to change the ballots. It's still voting for Biden. Joe can still be around as a senior advisor. He's not who he used to be. First female president in a year makes Roe more front and center.

Why, why, why would they go outside.

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Of the family territory? Remember primary colors? And the guy who played Junior Ewing, what was his name, Larry? You remember Hagman? He was playing the role of, like, the more reasonable candidate and he was running and then he had to withdraw anyway. And then he died.

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But then it keeps. Yes. And it keeps Joe Biden around for all of his relationships. But then, you know, Jill Biden can't be accused of all the same things, you know, mental decline. She can even say, hey, I was kind of running this place, you know, and I kind of know what I'm doing.

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Speaker one, this, this is the first person I've heard say it's possibly Jill. And it's not insane.

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I think it's the most probable. She's not in the betting markets. No one's thinking it. She's now more front and center, front page of Vogue. And it's the same last name. So you don't have this huge switch.

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Right.

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Think about it.

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Okay.

I love it as a possibility.

I don't think it's going to happen, but I love it as a possibility. And if it does happen. You're coming back on to take a victory lap. I want to talk like it's so brutal. What, what they've been writing, the Maureen Dowd column in particular, was just absolutely unsparing. And as I say, he reads that like, we know that he reads that he likes Maureen. He, I think he begrudgingly likes Maureen.

Trying to find it here. Hold on a second. My team will tell me what page my Maureen dow thing is on. Is it in my update? You guys hold on a second. Looking for it.

Stand by.

But let's, before I get to that, let's just talk about the split, though, between what we're hearing from the press, Charlie, and what we're hearing from the top advisors. So I believe that it's just a matter, like what Obama and Hillary and Jeffreys and Clyborne are doing is just the outward facing initial front. Like that's just the infantry saying, no, we're still marching, but behind closed doors. You know, they're having meetings about all of this because even the papers that are defending him are saying if, if Joe Biden and Jill are convinced he's going to cost the Democrats seats at the House level, at the Senate level and at the, on the local races across the board, then he'll rethink this. And so as they do those calculations, if that comes to the wrong conclusions for the dems, all those people will turn on him in a second, maybe not outwardly. Again, they'll go to him privately. But I don't believe their public protestations that they're still, that he's still okay for the job and that they're still behind him.

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Do you know? And look, they're going to get into self preservation mode, especially in some of these dangerous Senate races. If, for example, Bob Casey in Pennsylvania, if he, see if he thinks he's going to lose his seat because of, of Biden losing by five or six points or at the top threshold. Even more than that, they're going to cut bait. Or if Tammy Baldwin, incumbent Democrat senator in Wisconsin, same sort of thing. John Tester in Montana is basically a dead man walking. But how about Ruben Gallego in Arizona? They really want that race. Carrie Lake could become a us senator. If you think they hate Donald Trump, they hate Kerry Lake almost as much. So you go around the map here of incumbent Democrat senators, Sherrod Brown in Ohio, for example. And the reason is this, is that a presidential candidate has what is called tails and a really, really good presidential candidate will overperform the down ballot Senate races.

When a candidate is bad, the down ballot will overperform the top ballot. So what we're seeing right now is Democrat down ballot. Senate candidates like Sherrod Brown and Ruben Gallego and Casey are overperforming Biden by anywhere between five to ten points. Inversely, Donald Trump is overperforming even the best republican candidates like Sam Brown against Jackie Rosen in Nevada by four to four to six points. So you're looking at almost a ten point delta at times that is growing. It is not narrowing, especially as Biden's numbers are going down. And we have not even seen the data from the debate really set into polling. We have some shock polls, but it usually takes a week or two to really kind of digest that and understand where we are. We're seeing the warning signs, though, that this could have collateral damage all the way down the ballot. And so people are very focused, Megan, on, oh, is Obama, Schumer, Pelosi going to pull Biden? It's more likely that it will be bottom up, not top down. Top down would be Obama, Schumer, Pelosi. Bottom up would be Hakeem Jeffries. It would be Senate candidates that say, guys, we're going to lose everything and get far away from the majority if Joe Biden remains at the top of the ticket.

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I love your mentioning Carrie Lake, that you're right. They hate her. Somebody behind closed doors, some Democrats saying, we're talking Carrie Lake sweeps at the Senate level. That'll get people's attention. You're absolutely right. Okay, I found the Maureen down piece. I have so many to go through. But here's Maureen Dowd, in part, the ghastly versus the ghostly. He's being selfish. He's putting himself ahead of the country. He's surrounded by opportunistic enablers. He's created a reality distortion field where we're told not to believe what we've plainly seen. His hubris is infuriating. He says he's doing this for us, but he's really doing it for himself. I'm not talking about Donald Trump. I'm talking about the other president. She goes on, Jill Biden, lacking the detachment of a Melania and enjoying the role of first lady Moore, has been pushing and shielding her husband beyond a reasonable point. Speaking of Biden, at the debate, he looked ghostly with that trepidatious gait. He couldn't remember his rehearsed lines or numbers. He has age related issues, and those go in only one direction, by the way. That's the key point for the entire day, it was heart wrenching to watch the president's childhood stammer return. My God, I've heard that in a few places. Sure. It was the stammer.

It goes in only one direction to me, Charlie. That's the response to virtually all the defenders that I've seen out there who say it was one bad night, it was one bad night that you're complete. Obviously, it's gaslighting. But what the defendant, defenders of the president who may have sincere, you know, hopes that he can rebound, are missing is these are all age related issues. And unlike Barack Obama in 2012, when he was still in his forties, he, age only goes in one direction. And dementia, if that's what the president is suffering from, only goes in one direction. And everyone knows that because we've all taken care of an elderly relative or seen it done by friends.

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Speaker one no, that's exactly right. I mean, the only exception is I think Donald Trump is getting younger in this campaign. I think the more he gets indicted, there's some sort of life force that comes out of him. He looks better today than he did three years ago. I'm sorry. I'm just, I know, but he looks.

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Maybe, but that's it.

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Okay, but the look, Joe Biden is on a, on a slow motion and not so, not so much of a slow motion decline. And it is not one bad night. It has been a couple years of this being covered up. And that's what's so critical. This must be broadened. And there's this incredible sizzle reel of every major Democrat saying he's the sharpest I've ever seen. He asks great questions. He's wonderful. That this now needs to be an indictment of the entire Democrat party, which plays into, by the way, one of Donald Trump's greatest strengths. One of Donald Trump's greatest strengths is that they're lying to you. They're not telling you the truth. So put me in office. I might not be the nice guy, but I'll plainly speak the truth to you. And I'm going to tell the truth about the big stuff, that we're losing jobs and our border is open. So put me in office. And so the pattern now we see of how much we have been lied to in gaslit, from the vaccine, to lockdowns, to the war in Ukraine, to the origin of COVID to the wide open border, to, there is no inflation. To inflation is good, to inflation is transitory, the repetition of lies. Now, you can, can add to it that Joe Biden is completely coherent and knows where he is. And this was not a bad debate performance. A bad debate performance is what Barack Obama had against Mitt Romney in 2012. For the first debate, this was a, this was a health crisis on display. A bad debate performance is that you forget some of your points. This is something completely different.

This is that anybody who has dealt with someone suffering with Alzheimer's or dementia or some, you know, sister or cousin of it, it almost looked like Sundowner syndrome. Like as soon as the sun goes down, like he's, he's checking out or he does not have the same faculties. According to Politico.com. he came off the stage and said to Jill Biden, I don't know if I felt my best. I don't really know what happened there. Kind of like completely. Where was my adrenaline shot?

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Speaker one Jill Biden was out on the campaign and she said that Joe said to her, I didn't feel well. I don't know what happened. I didn't feel well. So now it's okay. What?

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Oh, it was a cold. That's the problem.

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Now it's, I didn't feel well. You know, you've got more. Maureen Dowd did take him to task, as did many others. But they keep mentioning his stammer. It wasn't about his damn stammer. Just stop that. We know what we saw. And the honest Democrats, and I will give credit to Ezra Klein, he's one of them, at least in response to this, has been saying the same.

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Like he's been consistent.

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Yeah, like, you cannot gaslight the american public. And was it, it was one of the former Obama guys, David Plouffer, Ben Rhodes, who came out. Yeah, I think you can't, you can't gaslight people. The answer here is not to tell people they didn't see what they know they saw. So. But they, they'll continue to try.

I want to just mention we're taping the show early today because I have an appointment during the live show that we normally do. The news just hit.

Trump just got a very good reading ruling from the US supreme court on immunity. It just hit, it's 1037 as you and I are speaking. And we'll have to read the opinion because this is going to be a confusing and nuanced one. But six to three in favor of upholding the following.

It's written by Chief Justice Roberts. A former president has absolute immunity for his core constitutional powers. Former presidents are also entitled to at least a presumption of immunity for their official acts held under our constitutional structure of separated powers. The nature of presidential power entitles a former president to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least a presumptive immunity for, from prosecution for all of his official acts. All of them. There is no immunity for unofficial acts. This is a great ruling for Trump. This is the best he could hope for. He can't. Even, his lawyer is not arguing that he gets absolute immunity for all unofficial acts. His lawyer was conceding at the oral argument there. Sure, there are some unofficial acts that he made as candidate Trump that he wouldn't be protected for.

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Well, think about it. Some of the checks in the New York Bragg case are written as when he's president, the check to understand that if they're talking well, but. So now, all of a sudden, was.

A
It an official act? Was it, was it?

B
No, no. Of course. If you're saying, though, that there's some unofficial presumption of immunity, is that what you're saying?

A
For unofficial acts, like, let's take the most obvious, the court actually mentions this, appointing an ambassador, dealing with a foreign government. Those would be obvious official acts for which he would receive absolute immunity. But other official duties that were, you know, may or may not be clear, get a presumption of immunity that can be pierced. There's going to have to be a factual inquiry, I guarantee you, without having read the rest of the decision, they're going to remand it down to the DC circuit to come up with, or down to the district court to come up with a factual determination on whether the actions alleged here are official, absolute immunity. Official acts, official acts that get the presumption, or obviously unofficial acts made purely as a candidate, like his lawyer conceded that wouldn't get any presumption. By the way, here's just to get you up to speed. Here's Trump's lawyer at the oral argument, conceding a series of events that would not be official at all. Watch.

And I want to know if you agree or disagree about the characterization of these acts as private.

Petitioner turned to a private attorney was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to spearhead his challenges to the election results. Private as alleged.

B
I mean, we dispute the allegation, but sounds private to me.

A
Sounds private. Petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing in court of a verification signed by petitioner that contained false allegations to support a challenge that also sounds private. Three private actors, two attorneys, including those mentioned above, and a political consultant helped implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification proceeding. And petitioner and a co conspirator attorney directed that effort.

B
You read it quickly. I believe that's private. I don't want to.

A
So those acts, you would not dispute those were private and you wouldn't raise a claim that they were official as characterized.

B
What we would say, your honor, if I may, what we would say is official is things like meeting with the Department of Justice to deliberate about who's going to be the acting attorney general of the United States, communicating with the american public, communicating with Congress about matters of enormous.

A
Thank you. Thank you.

Very interesting. And let me read you a little bit more here.

What we're looking at is the quick write up from, is it SCOTUS blog? Kelly McGuire the the court explained the best that it does not need to decide in this case whether immunity for official acts is presumptive or absolute. This is exactly what I just said. They're going to remand it down to the lower courts to make a factual determination based on what's been alleged against Trump. The court in part three of its opinion, indicates that in this case, no court has thus far considered how to distinguish between official and unofficial acts. And you heard Trump's lawyer, they're making a distinction saying, you know, consultations with the attorney general, that would be official acts. Trump did talk to the acting attorney general about the election and what we knew and so on. And his court is saying, as Trump's lawyer did, that would be an official act. But listen. Moreover, Roberts continues, quote, the lower courts rendered their decisions on a highly expedited basis and did not analyze the conduct alleged in the indictment to decide which of it should be categorized as official and which unofficial. And that wasn't brief before the US Supreme Court. So this is back to ScOtus blog analysis.

The Supreme Court's not going to make that determination now. Instead, it will send the case back to the lower courts for further proceedings, although it does offer some guidance. Quote, quoting here from the opinion, certain allegations, such as those involving Trump's discussions with the acting attorney general, are readily categorized in light of the nature of the president's official relationship to the office held by that individual. That was the third point in the discussion we just heard with Amy Coney Barrett and Trump's lawyer. They accepted Trump's lawyers argument. Other allegations, such as those involving Trump's interactions with the vice president, state of officials and certain private parties, and his comments to the general public, present more difficult questions later in the opinion. The court does weigh in on some of the aspects. Quote, Trump is absolutely immune from prosecution for the alleged conduct involving his discussions with Justice Department officials. That's a, that's a bulk of what he's been accused of doing. You know, that's illicit. And they send it back to the district court to determine, among other things, quote, whether a prosecution involving Trump attempts to influence the vice president's oversight of the certification proceeding and his capacity as president of the Senate would pose any dangers of intrusion on the authorities and functions of the executive branch and Fulton county. Then now, Charlie, to a factual inquiry by the district court judge Chotkin, who hates Trump, but she's going to get overruled if she lets her partisan politics control this decision on what exactly is being, what lives in Jack Smith's case against Trump and what dies and what's being alleged in an official capacity and what isn't.

And whatever she does will determine what's left. There's only a meager part of the January 6 case left in the wake of the Supreme Court's behavior last week. But this also affects the Georgia case and the Mar a Lago case. Yes, the Georgia case. I mean, some of the acts that we heard Trump's lawyer concede are done in the unofficial capacity. Those will live on in the Georgia case, just like we heard that. So it's not that all the cases go away, but it's an enormous victory for Donald Trump and, frankly, for the presidency.

B
Huge.

A
And the ability of presidents to make, you know, decisions without worrying about getting indicted writ large.

B
Yeah. And to your point, the Fulton county case, to remember, it's all hinges on him making a phone call while President Brad Robinsburger. Was that an official act? Was it an unofficial act? They're gonna have to figure that one out.

This is massive. They bet the entire farm on law fair, specifically on this presidential immunity case. How much this is actually going to whittle down the indictments against Trump remains to be seen. But understand, this has not been a good week for Democrats.

They thought that at this point in July of 2024, they thought they were going to be dealing with a damaged Donald Trump that barely got through a bitter primary with DeSantis. They thought that Joe Biden was going to be leading in the polls with tons of money. They thought that Donald Trump was going to be having two or three concurrent trials of state and federal. Instead, it's the opposite. They just had a debate that was one of the worst debates in american history. They have an internal civil war brewing in the Democrat Party. Donald Trump got two great Supreme Court decisions on the 1512 C and also on that, the January 6 one and then also this particular one on presidential immunity.

We're about to see some really desperate stuff from the American Democrat party because this has been a very, very bad week for Democrats. They bet the farm on Biden. They bet it on the indictments, and they are following up very, very short.

A
Yeah, they ignored and covered up Biden's cognitive issues. They put all their money behind lawfare and the law fares falling apart by the minute. Fannie Willis is more than likely going to be bounced from this case, which could very well mean it doesn't get prosecuted at all. It's going to have to go to this Georgia board of prosecuting attorneys at this board that oversees them. We'll have to see whether somebody else will take it. So her disqualification or the failure to disqualify her is going up an appeal right now to a, to three judges, all of whom are Republican appointed down in Georgia. That doesn't necessarily determine the day, but it's looking more promising for Trump down there. And once she's gone, this case has very little chance of going forward. So that's Georgia. We saw what happened in New York. Yes, Trump may get a terrible sentence on July 11. He's not going, even if he sentenced him immediately to jail, Trump would do an immediate appeal to the first department and he would get it. He's not going to jail before November. Yes, the Democrats will try to say jail, jail bird, jailbird, but that's not going to work. I don't think that's going to work any better than convicted felonies working. And then you've got the January 6 case, which was the scariest case against him in an, and in a number of ways gutted at its core claim last week by the Supreme Court saying you can't bring an obstruction for, of an official proceeding case against these j, six defendants, including Trump, leaving only two other lesser charges, which now may or may not have been gutted by today's decision.

And then there's Mar a Lago, where they have a more Trump reasonable judge. She's not in the tank for Trump, as his is her critics claim, but she's being reasonable and she's not like a judge chatkin or a judge Marshawn. She's being fair. So that case is rolling and it's going at a snail's pace. Zero chance does it get decided before election day. And if he wins. He can easily just pull the DOJ off of that case because it's a federal one and the case goes away like that. Let me give you Eli mystal, this lunatic who writes for the nation as their justice correspondent, biggest, biggest racist on MSNBC. And that's saying something more racist than he's terrible. Believe it or nothing. He writes as follows.

Presidents are above the law. This is what Republicans want. Republicans control the courts, so they won.

When I started talking about court expansion back in 2016, this is why. Right? Expand the court. Here we go. He continues. So ends the part of the american experience where our leaders were bound by the rule of law.

Thanks for playing.

And then here's Donald Trump. Big win for our constitution and democracy. Proud to be an american. It is a big win. And I have to tell you, I think. You know who else I bet is thinking it's a big win? Barack Obama. Joe Biden.

B
Well, yes.

A
Bill Clinton, everybody who's been president.

B
Well, yeah, I mean, Barack Obama could be indicted for murdering an american citizen without due process on foreign soil when he. Drone strike, that guy. Oh, he's, you know, alleged on terror acts. Wait, where was the trial? Where was the due process? Well, you know, honestly, I believe he should have presidential immunity because if you start all of a sudden going back into the official acts, for example, should Joe Biden be able to be held criminally accountable for the reckless withdrawal of Afghanistan? I mean, it was terrible. It was awful. But no, I mean, that's an official act as president, every single president would then be. Would be able to be indicted by the next president for what he actually did as president, fulfilling his duty and terms as commander in chief. And look, the Democrats, they were willing to put all of that in jeopardy because they would never believe that Democrats would actually be indicted on those things. So instead, getting and defeating Donald Trump has become the most important, mission critical component of the Democrat regime. It does not matter if the Constitution gets in the way. It doesn't matter if tradition gets in the way.

None of that matters. All that matters is we have to destroy Donald Trump. And they, they are so prideful that they think that if they destroy Donald Trump, they will hold on to power for 100 years.

They can't believe that the american people would not continue to give them power. For them, it is all about obliterating Trump and the MAGA movement. Thankfully, the Supreme Court did the right thing here.

A
Oh, and it's, it's amazing. I'm going to take a quick break and then I'm going to come back. And I'm going to tell you what Justice Thomas wrote in his concurrence that bodes very poorly for the Jack Smith prosecution in Mar a Lago, again, the one that hasn't been dinged up too badly yet, that continues to roll along and that Trump does need to worry about if he loses in November. Or does he? I will read you what he wrote and we'll continue with our analysis. There's so much more to get to. God, the news is on fire today. Don't go away. More with Charlie Kirk right after this turning point. USA's Charlie Kirk, author of Right Wing Revolution, is with me today as the news breaks about the Supreme Court finding that the president is entitled to absolute immunity for his official acts and a presumption of immunity for acts that may be official.

Only unofficial acts would not be immune for criminal prosecution. A little bit more from the Roberts opinion. Again, it's a six three decision with the three libs. So to my ark, Hagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson. In the dissent, Roberts right. Roberts writes that Trump asserts a far broader immunity than the limited one we have recognized. As for the dissents, Roberts writes, they strike a tone of chilling doom that is wholly disproportionate to what the court actually does today. Conclude that immunity extends to official discussions between the president and his attorney general and then remand to the lower courts to determine in the first instance whether and to what extent Trump's remaining alleged conduct is entitled to immunity. Exactly as you and I just discussed, Charlie. He goes on, they go on to say, Roberts writing in his conclusion, quote, this case poses a question of lasting significance. He notes that the immunity question has not come up before, quote, but in addressing that question today, unlike the political branches and the public at large, we cannot afford to fixate exclusively or even primarily on present exigencies, end quote. He's trying to say this isn't just about Donald Trump. This is about the executive branch and how presidents are going to be able to behave on a go forward basis. Final substantive paragraph. Quote, the president enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the president does is official. The president is not above the law.

But Congress may not criminalize the president's conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the executive branch under the constitution. And before I get to that, Justice Thomas Diddy I told you about, let me give you Justice Sotomayor.

B
He went after. I was just, yeah, Sotomayor. With one of the nastiest dissents. Not respectfully not. She just was like with our democracy at stake. I dissent such a part.

A
That's basically what's, I'm sorry, but Justice Sotomayor, really, she, I think she's the worst justice. I prefer Ketanji Brown, Brown Jackson to her. And I don't mean to be at.

B
Well, after the la, I agree with you.

A
I think she's the dimmest bulb of on the night. She really, I mean, I'm sorry, but she is here she writes as follows. Today's decision to grant former president's criminal immunity reshapes the institution of the presidency. It makes a mockery of the principle foundational to our constitution and system of government, that no man is above the law, relying on little more than its own misguided wisdom about the need for, quote, bold and unhesitating action, end quote, by the president.

The court gives former President Trump all the immunity he asked for and more because our constitution does not shield a former president from answering for criminal and treasonous acts. I dissent joined by the other two libs. Ok, treason, now treasonous. You know what the punishment for treason is?

B
Punishable by death.

A
Yes. That's how sotomayor sees Donald Trump and the January 6 behavior.

B
This is.

Oh, well, yeah, I have a couple thoughts. Let me just, on the sotomayor thing.

We are one or two seats away on the Supreme Court from being a completely different, I mean, completely damaged and banana republic. Imagine if that was the majority opinion. They view Donald Trump as a traitor to the country and they did not get the decision they want. They're about to get extraordinarily desperate here. I will repeat that. Sotomayor did not say, you know, I respectfully disagree with my colleagues. Treasonous acts. What acts exactly? Sotomayor just the mayor is treasonous with Donald Trump when he said, I want you to peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol. What? He has not been convicted of anything even close to indicted for anything close to treason, let alone convicted of anything close to treasonous. Isn't that legal malpractice, Megan, that you are a US Supreme Court, one of the nine, you're a judge on the Supreme Court, a justice, and use treasonous. Don't you believe in the presumption of innocence? Or are you just kind of applying that label haphazardly because you think it was treasonous?

A
Treason has not been charged, hasn't been.

B
Charged, let alone convicted.

She shouldn't be talking like that as a justice. I mean, that is reckless and it is irresponsible, and then it creates a downstream effect, of course. And by the way, Donald Trump is.

A
Not allowed to say the jury are Democrats in the New York state trial against him. But the Supreme Court justice Sotomayor can.

B
Accuse him and call him a traitor.

A
In a written opinion. No problem. That's fine.

B
What? But let's. What do you do to traitors? Well, you kill traitors.

She should understand. I mean, they, they always play this game with us, and so it's nice to play this game with them. Don't they understand the implications of their words? When she calls him a traitor, she's at the top of, you know, Democrat left wing intelligentsia. So now all these legal bloggers will say, ooh, Sotomayor calls her him a traitor. Traitor. Traitor. Traitor. Will this increase or decrease the amount of death threats towards Donald Trump? Will this increase or decrease the political temperature in this country? And I am not joking when I say that you now, to my knowledge, no Supreme Court justice in the history of this country since probably reconstruction of the civil war, has called a person running for president, let alone a former president, a traitor. What the implications of that are is profound and remarkable and very scary and unsettling. If your goal is to unite the country and heal our divides, and we're not a red state or a blue state, but the United States of America, as Obama said in the 2004 convention speech, you don't talk like that. If your goal is to get us closer to a Bolshevik versus Menshevik civil war or some sort of, some sort of revolution chapter in this country, you call the opposition traitors. Nothing good happens after that.

A
Here's. I'm sorry to do this to you, but Keith Olbermann on x. Oh, boy. I mean, it's always good to see, you know, just as you can see, like, how far.

B
No, he's an unwell person. I mean, he really is.

A
But, yes, you know, he speaks for a fair amount of, like, really far gone Roddick people. Yeah.

Well, thanks, Supreme Court. Now King Biden can officially declare Trump a terrorist and officially imprison him officially, without trial and without consequences, can also officially arrest selected supreme court justices.

Okay, sure.

B
Sure, Jan. That's how, that's what I expected out of Keith Oberlin. That's about right.

A
Okay, so before we go to break quickly here. No, we actually have to take a break. And I want to give this a minute, because I do think there's some very, very promising news for Trump in that Mar a Lago case. Based on what I just read in the Thomas concurrence, he's part of the six of the six three, by the way, Ketanji Brown Jackson was in the minority here. She joined with Kagan and Sotomayor, excuse me, but she was part of the majority in dumping that j six case.

B
Destruction of an official on the 1512. Yep, that's correctly.

A
Ketanji Brown Jackson has been a little bit more of a swing justice that I think the left counted on. And sadly for the right, so is Amy Coney Barrett, who was in the discussion.

B
Don't get me started on that.

A
I know, right on that case.

B
Thanks. At least she ruled correctly here.

And in some ways, I'm glad Roberts wrote the majority here. I'm glad he wrote the majority because it would be at least a little more accepted by reasonable left wingers.

A
There's no one with more gravitas on the court than the chief justice, and frankly, with the United States writ large than this chief justice who is curried favor with.

B
That's correct.

A
From the beginning of his stint. Stand by. Back with what Thomas wrote and so much more. We've got to get to Mika Brzezinski on Biden, too. Just stand by. We'll be right back. I'm Megyn Kelly, host of the Megyn Kelly show on SiriusXM. It's your home for open, honest and provocative conversations with the most interesting and important political, legal and cultural figures today. You can catch the Megyn Kelly show on Triumph, a SiriusXM channel featuring lots of hosts you may know and probably love, great people like Doctor Laura, Glenn Beck, Nancy Grace, Dave Ramsey and yours truly, Megyn Kelly. You can stream the Megyn Kelly show on SiriusXM at home or anywhere you are. No car required. I do it all the time. I love the SiriusXM app. It has ad free music coverage of every major sport, comedy, talk, podcast and more. Subscribe now. Get your first three months for free.

B
Go to siriusxm.com mkshow to subscribe and get three months free. That's siriusXm.com mkshow and get three months free offer details apply.

A
Reaction turning in by, you know, droves right now in response to the Supreme Court's decision finding that a president does have the right to absolute immunity for his official acts. Now, whether Trump's behavior around his election loss will qualify as official acts remains to be determined, either remanding it down to the district court judge Chutkin in this case to decide whether the acts that have been problematic that he's been accused of in this case are official or unofficial. But as a rule, they're giving presidents absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for their official acts while in office. Turning point. USA's Charlie Kirk, author of Right wing Revolution, remains with me. Charlie, I want to get to what Justice Thomas writes in a concurring opinion. It's a six to three case. The three libs in the dissent writes as follows. He's questioning the validity of Jack Smith's appointment as special counsel, which he is in both of the federal cases against Trump, writing, quote, if this unprecedented prosecution is to proceed, it must be conducted by someone authorized to do so by the american people.

This is the argument Trump is raising, in particular in the Mar a Lago case that's being argued right now down there about whether he, as a special counsel, has any right to go after Donald Trump or whether they needed to use somebody who was in the government and already confirmed. Like a us attorney.

B
Yes.

A
Or somebody who's been already previously empowered by the executive branch. It's a, it's a technical argument, but Andy McCarthy had a piece out last week saying he likes it and he thinks it may win the day. And if that happened, he's telegraphing already in that lane. I like it, too.

B
Bingo.

A
How many of the, of the conservatives does he speak for? And is that a back door to Trump's potential conviction on the one piece of all the lawfare against him? That has concerned me and many other legal experts from the beginning, which is, yes, big time. The obstruction piece of the Mar a Lago case, his refusal to turn over the documents once subpoenaed, whether you're on his side or not, that's a problematic fact for Donald Trump. But if Jack Smith doesn't have the legal authority to bring the case against him, it's irrelevant whether he crossed the law or the line or not. My God. I mean, like, the good news just keeps coming for him, Charlie.

B
I know. Well, and this is, this is Clarence Thomas not so subtly saying, we see you, Jack Smith, and all that work you're putting in. I might be able to get to five, because this is more of the Thomas court than the Roberts court, actually. And so you better watch yourself. That's what this is all about. And again, it is more the Thomas court. Thomas works that room. He's super well liked, Megan. He's like the nice. I don't know if you've ever met him. He is the sweetest, best person ever. I mean, he is just a uniquely american story. And everybody, including even RBG and everyone, they said he's just the, he got along with all the libs for years. And he's just, he's personable and he's human. He's just terrific. So therefore, he's really won a lot of favor over with the court. And especially, I bet on these high stakes decisions, he's going to try to work the ropes a little bit with, hey, ACB, let's talk about this. Was this illegally constituted? So if you start with from a strict constitutional standpoint, probably Thomas, Alito and Gorsuch would go along. Roberts would probably be no go. The question is, can you and Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett on this idea that Jack Smith and the way that this was put together together was not constitutional, that it wasn't through a us attorney, it wasn't through a deputy, it wasn't through Lisa Monaco. It wasn't through Merrick Garland. I'm not a legal scholar by any means. I could just look at the politics of this and the media and the communication side of it, which is Clarence Thomas saying this and broadcasting this.

I mean, I would go into cardiac arrest if I was Jack Smith at this point. Not only did you lose on 1512, not only did you lose on presidential immunity, but all of this work, let's say you get to a conviction, it might get vacated by the supreme court.

A
Just a little bit more color on Amy Coney Barrett, according to ScOtUS blog, and again, I have the opinion here. My team has brought it in to me, it is about an inch and a half thick. So I have not yet read it.

B
Oh, boy.

A
But I will. But ScOTUS blog reporting, and they're still reading it, too. I mean, SCOTUS blog hasn't had time to digest the whole thing. They're saying Amy Coney Barrett has a concurring opinion. She's part of the six and she concurs in the end result. But here's her rationale. She agrees with the majority on the core constitutional powers, immunity, but would take a different approach to other official acts. She would look at whether the criminal statute under which the president is being charged applies to his conduct and whether that application to the particular facts. I don't even understand this. I'm going to have to go back and look at this.

B
This is too much of the most acb answer ever.

A
It's just I know she's such a technocrat and she uses her technocratic to get to the results she wants.

B
It's, it's the most ace. Exactly. I'm not, yeah, not a fan. I don't like where she's headed. I'll be honest. I don't like where she's headed. It's.

A
I don't, she feels like a shooter to me. Not good, I have to say. But how she is majority on Fisher, I can't.

B
I couldn't. I still don't understand that. I don't know. You know, it might have been, if it was five four on that, on Fisher, I would have said, wow, the six three might be a throwaway vote where it's just like, hey, true, I'm a free thinker. You know, it's a show vote, as you call it, in the US Senate. So I'm not there yet on content because she still can't tell us what a woman is.

A
Okay, let's. Good point. The court also notes in a footnote that the district court, if necessary, should consider whether two of the charges brought by Jack Smith against Trump in Washington, that's the j six case involving obstruction of the official proceeding, can go forward in light of the court's ruling last week in Fisher. Yeah, obviously that it's not. I can answer it for you right now. It's not going forward. That's not happening.

So this decision is huge. Donald Trump is winning. He really is doing all the winning that the left is going to get sick of. And, but to pick back up on your point about treason, that's already the salon headline and the left is going to run with us. Salon headline, of course, quotes, quote, treasonous acts. Liberal justices say, SCOTUS Trump immunity ruling, quote, a mockery of the Constitution.

So treasonous act that's going to be in a campaign ad in less than 24 hours?

B
No, without a doubt, yes. And again, what comes after that? Will, God forbid, be more threats, more intimidation, more violence. But she knows what she's doing. And by the way, how is sotomayors now official legal dissent as a justice on the Supreme Court any different than the unhinged musings of Joy Reid on MSNBC? How is there any daylight between the two? And the answer is no. I mean, it would be a fun game.

Yeah, it would be a fun game of, like, let me read to you, Sotomayor, and read to you, Joy reads open. Which one is what? You can't tell.

There is no difference. And, and like, I love how she's like with our democracy in peril. Again, I hate to be a stickler for words here. We are a constitutional republic, not a democracy. And this whole imparting of that we are democracy, I actually believe is an attempt to re found the country without the permission of the people. Into something that we aren't, which is much closer to an oligarchy, not a representative government. But yes, that is going to be the media headline. Donald Trump gets called the traitor by the dissent.

A
We don't have much of did. If we did, boys would be banned nationwide from participating in girls sports. And Joe Biden wouldn't be allowed to run for president because the latest poll shows 72% of the electorate, it thinks he is too old and infirm for the job. So she should be glad, even for her side, that we don't have majority rule in this country.

Let me switch back. You mentioned RGB, Ruth Bader, RBG, Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The term that kept coming to my mind over the weekend was Ruth Bader Biden or Joe Bader Ginsburg. Because the comparisons to that situation have learned.

B
Eerie. Yes.

A
On the left, the, the sane left is seeing that if Joe Biden refuses to get out of this race, and they acknowledge, everyone acknowledges, if he doesn't willingly go, he can't be dumped. That's an impossibility given that 99% of the delegates already pledged to him that if he refuses to go, he will be the Ruth Bader Ginsburg of presidents because he will more than likely cost the Democrats this race at a time when they could have won it. And it's already late in the game. Like, they should have switched him out early on and had a primary, but he refused. But now, in the wake of this disaster in which he did not deliver in that debate, he owes it to his party. And they argue the country to step aside. And I agree, as much as I would love to see a clear path for Trump to go in, the Republicans to win separate. Apart from that, I just don't want our country to have to deal with an infirm president. It's not right for the United States. There's a reason we have the 25th amendment, speaker one. It's just so that. Tell me whether the RBG argument is likely to prevail, even on those Democrats who are digging in on holding onto this guy saying, just a bad night.

B
I don't know. And the reason is that the Democrat mafia is run by a bunch of octogenarians. And I think they're afraid if they pull Joe Biden, they're going to be pulled next. I mean, if they pull Joe Biden, does that mean Schumer and Pelosi have to go? I mean, Pelosi's older than Biden. She's 84. I mean, she's actually sharper than Biden and a lot tougher. But there is this very interesting almost deal with the devil that has been done with this group of Democrat power brokers, Bill Clinton, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, previously Harry Reid, Joe Biden. And they all kind of entered into politics at the same time, the late seventies and early eighties, when they all kind of began to get to DC. And they look at themselves almost as like that's when we all, we were like the class of 78. And they've all looked out for each other for the last 40 or 50 years during this managed decline of the United States of America. And Megan, their entire identity and their purpose is in holding on to political power, like holding onto it to the bitter end, that we're not going to pass it down to the next generation, that we're not going to kind of just release control. We're not going, no, we are going to, until the moment that we are in a cascade, it, we are going to have political power. Amazing. I think this is actually one of the great weaknesses in both. The Republicans aren't immune to this either, by the way, just to be clear. But the Democrats are actually far worse right now. Far worse.

The republican party has younger voices that are ascendant. Say what you will about Speaker Johnson. He's definitely a different generation than Nancy Pelosi. I don't know if the RBG argument will actually resonate, because the great Democrat fault line is that the base of the Democrat party is hyper radical and very young. But their rulers are incredibly transactional and very, very old. And the old leaders, they're not all of a sudden going to hand off the baton. They will hold on to power until they are dead. And you look at Joe Biden, Joe.

A
Biden montage of just a few of them. Some of the names you mentioned are in here. Watch. This is their reaction over the weekend.

B
Yes, it was a bad performance.

A
Things.

B
I've been a part of debate preparation before, and I know when I see what I call preparation overload, and that's exactly what was going on. He should stay in this race.

A
We see Joe Biden up close. We know how attuned he is to the issues, how informed he is. And I debate with him about legislation and not debate, but discuss it with him. He's right there. So in any case, it was a bad night. Let's not sugarcoat that it was a bad night. It was a great presidency. You all did not have any kind of conversations about, oh, should Joe Biden drop out of this race?

B
Let's have another debate where actually the moderators will push back on Donald Trump's lies. He intimidated your network. Unfortunately, it's him or Trump.

A
It's literally, you go to a dinner and your choices are steak or a piece of, of poo.

This is not a difficult choice.

Joy Reid, of course, I love the line that it was so deep fault. The moderators needed to fact check Donald Trump and his lies, and it was their failure to do so that made Joe Biden look bad.

B
And I just, it's so amazing. The media carries their water endlessly. I mean, as if Donald Trump gets fair treatment from the media, this fair, let alone favorable treatment from the mediaev. No, but if there's any sort of a moderator and Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, just like, here is the question, what is your thought? They could not have been more boring, right? It was. They could not have been. And I mean, and to Dana Bash's credit, and to push back against the Levi Jeans guy is the, she followed up two or three. Yeah, I can't remember his name. Levi J, like Levi Jane's error. And so, like two or three times.

Yeah, she fought, she follows up. Will you accept the results? Okay, fine. Like, that's, that's all right. I'm, here's what's important to Jake Tapper and to Dana Bash's credit, which I never thought I would say, it goes really poorly when debate moderators are in the fact checking business.

They tried that, remember that?

It's very, very, very hard to do because are you equally applying it? By whose standard are you doing it? And so it is much better to allow the american people to decide and to then just put out the framework. Are you answering the question or are you not answering the question?

A
Check him. Let the moderators.

B
Bingo.

A
Defend is only to defend his or her question. That's it. Not to then. Exactly check the actual substance of the answer. And Dana Bash and Jake Tapper did a great job the other night. They did not get involved in any of that.

B
I totally agree.

A
They done. So it would have looked like this. Mister Biden, you just stated that no troops died on your watch as commander in chief. And Jake Tapper, he's very pro american troop. He would have had this at the ready. 13 troops died at your disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Another three in Jordan could have done that. Mister Biden, you just stated that. Mister Trump stated the good people on both sides just this week. That was debunked by Snopes. It's been debunked by many other nonpartisan fact checkers totally. That, like, do we really want that debate where it's all what Jake Tapper and Dana Bash or Megyn Kelly or whomever think about the issues? Bullshit. That's nothing. Not what happened here. It was Joe Biden's obligation. He didn't do it.

B
And I want to just also say, and I think it's being lost in the coverage, President Trump deserves a lot of credit for being just a little bit of the sideshow of this debate and having amazing self control. I don't think he has gotten the, you know, people say, oh, what do you do? Like complimented his self control. Think about this. This is a guy that's trying to throw you in prison that you believe is not the rightful president from last time. You just want to go over there and smack his head down. I mean, they've talked about fighting each other, by the way. And Donald Trump just very gently was like, I don't know what he said and he doesn't even know what he said. It was just that little gentle touch. He allowed the opportunity for Biden to self destruct and again, he to an amazing discipline. Megan, he did not interrupt.

I think there was only one opportunity, maybe, in fact, it was Joe Biden that was on the attack and Donald Trump just kind of shrugged his shoulders and that Zen Donald Trump, it was, it was good to see.

A
No, it's true. But now that even, you know, the Democrats came out the next day almost uniformly and said, my God, he's got to go. It's a disaster. We all saw what you saw. And then once Joe Biden signaled, I'm not going anywhere, and Jill Biden signaled the same, they started to get a little bit more defensive of him. Lawrence O'Donnell was checking out.

B
Well, that's where they are now, panic zone.

A
Tonight on my show, you heard Joe Joy read, at least he's not a pile of shit, so vote for him.

Then you had Joe Biden come out with this message that they're finding very stirring and reassuring because his vigor was back at a debate. I'm at a rally in North Carolina, sat ten.

B
I know I'm not a young man.

State the obvious.

Well, I know I don't walk as easily as I used to.

A
I don't speak as smoothly as I used to.

B
I don't debate as well as I used to.

But I know what I do know.

I know how to tell the truth.

I know like millions of Americans know, when you get knocked down, you get back up.

A
It was a good reading. He's a good reader. He can read off the teleprompter. He proved that in the state of the union, and he proved that yesterday. That's not being president. My children can read off the teleprompter well, too, because they come in the studio and they practice sometimes. They, they're not. They can't be president.

Not yet.

B
Yes. And here's, here's, here's the kicker, is that, that Joe Biden does not have the current capabilities to govern this country. And so, okay, he's able up to read a couple words in front of a crowd there. If you are not able to dialogue or discourse against Donald Trump, how are you able to negotiate peace with Vladimir Putin? How are you able to deal with Xi Jinping? And the answer is, you're not. And so what everyone realized is that there is an administrative state, a puppeteering class that is currently running the United States government, and the assault on, or at least the criticism of Joe Biden's mental faculties is opening a lot of people's eyes to actually how our government is currently formed and structured. And it's not the way you think. Joe Biden is not in charge. There are a group of experts that are currently calling the shots in this country.

A
Listen to this, Charlie, speaking of the, um, advisor class, because this is the new narrative that's coming out. It was, it was his advisors fault. It wasn't his fault. He's actually perfectly competent. He was just over prepared. You heard that in the James Clyborne side that we played as part of that montage, and we've heard it from multiple other Biden defenders now, but this is from a follow up in the New York Times, following up on what happened in the Sunday meeting that Hunter and Jill and his family are urging Joe Biden to, quote, keep fighting.

I read as follows. The anger among Democrats was made evident on Sunday when John Morgan, a top democratic donor who is close to Mister Biden's brother Frank, publicly blamed the advisors who managed the president's debate preps, citing by name Ron Klain, that's his former chief of staff, Anita Dunn, his top communications advisor, and Bob Bauer, that's her husband and also a top lawyer. Biden has for too long been fooled Biden has for too long been fooled by the value of Anita Dunn and her husband. Mister Morgan wrote on social media, they need to go today. The grifting is gross. It was political malpractice. He elaborated in a subsequent interview, quote, it would be like if you took a prize fighter who was going to have a title fight and put him in a sauna for 15 hours and then said, go fight.

He said, I believe that the debate is solely on Ron Clay and Bob Bauer. And Anita Dunn, a member of Mister Biden's family, were likewise said to be focused on the president's staff, including Miss Dunn, a White House senior advisor, and her husband, Bauer, the president's personal attorney who played Trump during the debate rehearsals. They were asking why Mister Klein, the former White House chief of staff who ran the prep, would, in their view, be allowed to, quote, overload him with statistics. And they were angry that Mister Biden, who arrived for the debate in Atlanta with a summer tan, was made up to look pale and pallid. Hello, agape. It was not just his color. I refer you back to our earlier discussion. So it's the advisors, Charlie, they need to go.

B
Yeah. Again, as I mentioned, the advisers, they're not going to get fired for getting us into a proxy worth Russia, or having hyperinflation, or deteriorating the currency or the title nine disgrace or destroying the country when it comes to crime. But hey, we might. The knives are out because you guys did not get the hair and makeup right. 15 hours in the sauna is open season.

That's right.

A
So.

B
Exactly.

A
It's actually very interesting seeing them turn on each other. The narrative that's come out over the press is now top advisors are coming out and saying, it wasn't us, it was not his aides, it was Jill Biden and her staff who kept us all away from Joe Biden, and therefore we weren't able to really see how bad he is until, and that's what's so important.

B
This is, this is with seven to ten days of isolated prep, of no other meetings. This is with him, like, totally micromanaged where. Yes. And they have their sleep schedule, his diet. This was, we're going to get you ready, Joe, at Camp David. And this is how he performed.

A
And honestly, like the notate, the notion that they, that the top advisors are to be excused because they have, they all have blood on their hands. As far as I'm concerned, you're all responsible. You all saw, you all enabled. No one is excused, whether you're Jill Biden or the advisors. But the advisors can't dodge responsibility by saying we were kept at arm's length by Jill. They, you and I saw it years ago. I, as I said at the beginning of the show, three in 2022 was all about the failing. They knew, just like all of us knew.

B
Yes, that's right. This is, this has been the greatest open secret in american politics. And shame on the media for not doing their job. It's pure and total media malpractice.

A
So here's that. This all brings me, oh, by the way, John Favreau, who is an Obama speech writer, he just tweeted out, Joe Biden's staff is not the problem. His campaign team and his White House staff are excellent. They've all been pulling their weight and then some. The only person who can fix this mess is the guy running for president. I'm telling you, all the Obama people have turned on Biden.

B
The only one who has every single himself is Obama. For now. For now, until, you know, until the dogs are released. So we will see.

A
Which shows you that, that just shows you, that shows you that, in my view, that Obama feels as they do, and they wouldn't be doing this if they thought they were crossing their ex boss. They're doing it because they're, I think, surrogates for him in a way. They can say what he can't. He needs to stand behind Joe until it's time for him to do the ultimate power move and go with the other cabal and tell Joe he's got to go. Quick break. More with Charlie after this. Take up the topic. Thank you, Mika Brzezinski and how very wrong she was this morning. Don't go away.

C
More than three days after that debate, it is still hard to comprehend what we saw from the president.

The weak, raspy voice, the inability to complete basic thoughts, most importantly, the failure to call out Donald Trump on his endless lies. Where was that?

And yet, the very next day in North Carolina, there was Joe Biden back to form, finding his voice, his winning smile, the vintage sparkle back in his eyes.

A
Winning smile.

B
Vintage, vintage, vintage sparkle.

A
It's back.

That was MSNBC's Mika Brzezinski this morning. Charlie Kirk is back with me. So it was actually a breathtaking 15 minutes display by Mika Brzezinski, who is working for the Biden campaign. Now, very clearly, Joe Scarborough, noticeably absent from his chair this morning after saying.

B
On Friday, vacation by himself is what they say.

A
Yeah, without his wife. Right. That his, that Biden needs to go, that they need to sub him out. So now she comes on solo, acknowledges that her family and she have long been close to the Bidens, which is, you know, obviously, I guess, why she can't be objective that in her hard left nature and tries to chalk it up to the vintage. Smile is back. A vintage sparkle and smile are back. So all is well. But I want to go through how like the spin that she brought us through because it was actually stunning to me. First, the excuses we heard some of the staff right. But here's she has more on why he didn't do well. Take a listen to sat six.

C
So what was different? A little more sleep perhaps. It was an event during the day, rather at night. On debate night, 90 minutes starting at 09:00 p.m. joe Biden was fresh off back to back trips to Europe. The debate was also two weeks after his son Hunter was convicted on three felony gun charges and faces.

B
Oh, this is great.

C
President Biden painfully told America he would not pardon his son.

I really question his schedule. It makes me angry that he was moving across the world on four different time zones. It seems to me this is a lack of discipline.

B
I thought he spent a whole week at Camp David before the debate. A whole week. It can't, am I correct?

A
Leading up to that, all time zones, no pardon, conviction and travel. And she has serious questions about his schedule.

B
I don't know about you, Megan. When I fly to London, I can't complete sentences.

A
No, I can't function for another week.

B
What whole week? I say, we're going to beat Medicare. And I stare aimlessly. And what's so amazing, and this is what's important, is that they're doubling and tripling down on this is only going to further turn people against the Democrat party. They know what they saw. And because of that, Megan, now all of a sudden, there have been increased Google searches of past Biden gaps and past Biden type mistakes. A lot of people didn't know this or see this. They're like, wow, that's terrible. I know some moderates in my life that were text me. It's like, wow, Biden's really terrible. And I say, have you guys not been watching? And the answer is, they don't.

We are politics obsessed. This, this is our space, right? Every day we're consuming it, we're reading it, 1214, 16 hours a day. For some people, they will do one to 2 hours of politics a month. And that's all they can handle. And so they might say, yeah, okay, Biden's not up to it.

A
Speaker two, even most of the most avid political consumers don't, they don't spend that much time watching or listening. I remember at Fox News, not like us, I saw some stat that showed, you know, we were getting, well, let's say 3 million a night and 600,000 in the key demo, 25 to 54. And I never understood how with those numbers, these are good numbers, at least certainly compared to what they're doing today. Those are great numbers.

I remember, like, how do people know who I am if that's, if those are the numbers? And Roger Ailes used to explain that, it's because it's not the same 3 million every night. And the average viewer spends about 15 minutes taking in, like, your average Fox News show a week. They're not the average viewers actually not watching it five times a week. So. And those are people who are politically motivated to take in news. You're so, you're absolutely right. I wanted to make one other point in that first soundbite we bumped in with. She said what a lot of Democrats have said, which is the problem with Biden right now, is that his infirmity makes it impossible for him to stick it to Donald Trump. Like he failed in the debate because he wasn't able to raise all the points. I mean, it is true he didn't raise points and he didn't try to do fact checking, but that is not the problem. The problem is that he is not competent to be president.

It's not that his ability to argue has been undermined.

B
Speaker one. Well, that, that's exactly right. Well, and you saw this in the Reed Hoffman memo. So the Reid Hoffman, he's a LinkedIn donor, LinkedIn founder, big Democrat donor. And he wrote there, he said the most important thing of why we must stand by Joe Biden is being a good debater is not the same thing as being a good president. As a. Wait a second. Hold on. He does not have, he's not running the country. He's not making decisions. He's obviously being manipulated on a daily basis. And there are people behind him, and we have a right to know who those people are.

We didn't vote for an administrative state. The american people, a lot of people voted for Joe Biden. Okay. Did he get 81 million votes? I don't really think so. But whatever that point is that he was the one on the ballot, and yet now we're supposed to just kind of, of retreat from that and act as if this is okay? No, this is a nation in shame right now because we look to our president, and it's very similar to, by the way, for the ten years that led up to Vladimir Putin, which was when Boris Yeltsin ran the post soviet bloc in Russia and he was, like, publicly drunk all the time and Russians were just so ashamed to see it. And by the way, russian state media would cover it up. Like, oh, no, no, he's not drunk, and he's perfectly fine. It's okay. I mean, it sounds a little bit, you know, cliche, but it is the emperor that has no clothes. And people are starting to realize this.

A
And I hate to get this weekend that he's only working 6 hours a day. He can only work from ten to four, and after that, he's done.

B
Well, that's sundowner syndrome. Yeah.

Oh, if even that. And again, so this is opening people's eyes to how the government actually works, which is the presidency under Joe Biden has become basically a photo op. You know, wake up, go take a picture with the people who won the spelling bee, go have some ice cream, you know, maybe do a national security briefing so you're not totally out of the loop, and go take a nap, and you're done where the real power is. Is it Jake Sullivan? Is he running the government? We don't is. I don't think Kamala Harris is running the government. Merrick Garland. And this is one of the reasons why we're seeing, you know, Steve Bannon go to federal prison, and we're seeing Peter Navarro go to federal prison. Dad is not home.

So you have all these really bad people that basically are ungoverned within the government that have these, like, lifelong ambitions, and they're going after them, whether it.

A
Be in the, this representative Rokana of California, he's an official Biden surrogate. He said to the New York Times this weekend, quote, we have a great team of people that will help govern.

B
That's it.

A
No, that I'm going to make the whole thing.

B
This is a different, this is, this is so, this is profound, though. I have right here the constitution of the United States of America. And it is very clear the form and the structure that we're supposed to live under. And the form of the structure is that there is a president, not an administrative state, that makes decisions. Now, you have a presidency and people around you that counsel it. But that final decision, that final thing, is a sign of a human being. I sign it and I veto the bill. I sign it, and it becomes an executive order. The form and the structure of government post Woodrow Wilson, is governance. Bye, experts. Think about how often, Megan, have we heard, trust the experts. Trust the experts. Covid was a perfect example of this, where you had a shadow government that was basically calling the shots, that usurped some of the authority of Donald Trump. How often did you hear in the Donald Trump presidency, we're not going to follow those executive orders. We're going to take stuff off of his desk because we are the sovereign. And now you are seeing this play out. And that is why, as long as they can keep Joe Biden with a heartbeat, they think they can continue to run the government. Government. And I hope it is an eye opening experience for people that this means that your elections are not actually voting for an individual or a person to run the country. There is a shadow deep state, dare I call it a leviathan? That is actually the power center. And when Donald Trump called it the deep state, that's exactly what it is.

The CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of justice, the Department of labor, the Department of Education, this middle band bureaucracy that is actually where the power lies. And Joe Biden is just a temporary figurehead being puppeteered just as we're speaking.

A
Charlie. This breaking from NBC News. Steve Bannon has arrived to report to prison at Danbury, Connecticut. Supporters standing outside of the prison chanted his name upon arrival.

This administration is imprisoning its enemies, propping up a man in the presidency who's not actually president even the 6 hours he pretends to be, and asking us to give him another seven months in office and then another four.

B
It is so outrageous, Megan.

I mean, I think this makes, by.

A
The way, and unpatriotic.

B
Oh, it's so evil. This is so anti american. This is repugnant. By the way, your interview, Steve Bannon was awesome, and I was so great because I know that he has not always been kind to you. And I thought it was just so classy the way you did it, that there are things that transcend public disputes. I just want to give you credit for. I saw that I had such respect for you, because, again, he has his own style. However, there is a principle that is being violated here. It's very important. And Steve Bannon has his own style. And I was just doing a live stream with him last evening. And if you are willing to sacrifice all of your principles and all of the american principles just to put Donald Trump in jail or Steve Bannon in jail, then you must be defeated.

I call it the Trump test, which is this, and this is the Trump test. And by the way, I have what I call the Biden test. And almost every conservative I know passes this is, are you willing to have Donald Trump become president if that means you will not lie, steal, cheat, or do illegal things, and if your answer is no, then I know what I'm dealing with. And by the way, most Democrats, their answer is no, I will not let him be president, and I will do illegal, unconstitutional, and evil things. Steve Bannon is going to federal prison.

Yes, that's right. Steve Bannon is going to federal prison for a misdemeanor, a misdemeanor that we have not seen this since.

A
The same household committee. Why isn't Eric Holder in jail?

B
And Eric Holder is making millions of dollars working with law firms. And so the crux and the essence of what we're seeing with the Steve Bannon thing, and we saw this happen with the debate a couple days ago, you have an illegitimate regime. And I think this makes the Steve Bannon thing look even worse that they cannot prop up five or six sentences together.

And one of the top podcasters, that is Bill broadcasters and podcasters, that is building an opposition movement, we're going to go put him in federal prison for 123 days in the midst of the presidential election. The man who was the senior advisor to Donald Trump back in the 2016 race and really got him on that populist nationalist direction in this audience, everyone listening to this, you might hate Steve Bannon and hate Donald Trump. Trump. This is so evil, what they are doing. We have never seen it in american history, ever. They are able to justify their behavior because they think that Bannon and Trump are such a threat to the country. We used to settle this stuff just through elections, but they believe that elections are no longer determinative. So much for the party of democracy.

A
Speaking of evil, Chuck Schumer just used the word treason in response to the Supreme Court's day. How dare he already endanger.

B
Did we not predict? We predicted it, Megan. Right.

A
And now he's coming after the president's lie. The former president and the leading, of course, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer on X, quote, this is a sad day for America and a sad day for our democracy. Treason or incitement of an insurrection, neither one of those is charged, should not be considered a core constitutional power afforded to a president. You're disgusting. Neither one of those was charged by the most rabid partisan prosecutor Merrick Garland could find to bring this case. Not incitement of an insurrection, not treason. And one of those is a death penalty charge. That is disgusting, endangering and honestly, par for the course for this guy. Now, I hope he doesn't get too used to being Senate majority leader, because honestly, if they run this guy against president, these people are looking, as Biden was saying, as Bannon was saying, you could have 55 on the republican side, maybe more. I mean, it will be a sweep.

B
Speaker one I hope so, Megan. I mean, these are vile people. And this is not republican versus Democrat anymore. This is not conservative or liberal. It's what are you willing to destroy, to destroy Trump? And that is the question.

That is the Trump test. What are you willing to break and damage and destroy just so that you destroy Donald Trump? And the answer is, they're willing to destroy this. The US Constitution. They've never had reverence for it, by the way.

They're willing to just go scorched earth on the entire civilization. All of it are the customs of rule of law, separation of powers, consent to the governed. And it really makes you wonder why? Is it because of Donald Trump's tone or because of his former tweets? No, no, no. It's because of Donald Trump's viewpoint. And he brings a population of the people, a population of people into the political equation that are not supposed to have a say in important matters. The american people that Donald Trump represents, which are the heartland, the flyover country, the forgotten man and woman, the muscular class, they have been factored out of the american political equation for the last couple of decades. Donald Trump back, brought them back in, and that is why they hate him. That's why they hate Bannon. And there is nothing they will not do. And God forbid, Megan, I'm telling you, they are going to try and assassinate Donald Trump. I hate thinking like this. I hate even saying it out loud. I hope saying it out loud makes it less likely. But look, we had from Julius Caesar to Abraham Lincoln to Bobby Kennedy to JFK to Martin Luther King to Malcolm X, the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, the attempted assassination of Gerald Ford, we have lived through a lot of this in american history, and we haven't had it in the last couple of decades. And we have, like, lost the memory on it. But what do they have left? They've lost at the supreme court. They lost at the debate. We need to pray for his safety, because we are about to enter a very tumultuous and, God forbid, dark chapter in american history.

A
Zachary, completely agree with you. I do pray for his safety. I know my audience does, too. It's getting. This is just too hot. This is. They need to dial it back.

B
It's too much.

But they're not. They're calling people traitors, Megan.

A
Right.

That's.

B
This is.

A
It's insane. And basically you're calling the six supreme court justices enablers of treason, too. So what?

B
Of course they are.

A
That's Chuck Schumer's favorite thing to do.

B
No, you are. You are going to see in July and August when it reality really sets in and the new tracking polls come and these Supreme Court decisions start to go into effect.

I mean, you're going to see stuff from the american left that will make what happened during Floyd a. Palooza and Covid look like child's play. I don't know what that looks like. But you think that they're just going.

A
To hand the keys over to Donald Trump.

You've been saying on the electoral front, like, hold your horses. People who are saying it's a lock, and I'm not saying it's a lock. It's, you know, I'm quoting what Bandaid was saying, that if they stick with Biden and they don't replace him.

B
No, I'm far more skeptical. Yes.

A
Yeah, you're far more scared. So talk about that for a minute.

B
Yeah, I think it's a lot tighter than people realize. I mean, I believe that Georgia, Arizona, Nevada generally look good. You need to win one of the blue Wall states. Joe Biden is still going to have a treasure chest. He's going to deploy a bunch of resources. If it's close, they're going to do a lot of the shenanigans of 2020. And again, this is going to be within the margin of error. And if people think that the election was won just because of a favorable debate, you're wrong. That's not the way this works at all. We need to have, as we talked about on this program before, a ballot chasing operation, voter registration. Democrats are going to be incredibly desperate in how they actually run and conduct these elections. I reject all these calls. Oh, it's going to be a landslide. Oh, it's going to be a red wave. Oh, I'd like to congratulate Donald Trump on getting reelected. All that is complete nonsense. These are people that they're, remember what I said, that Pelosi and Schumer, their whole life is holding on to political power. And the one thing that disrupted it the most is when Donald Trump ran for the presidency. You think they're just going to hand the keys back to the White House and say, well, you're up in the polls and you had a good debate. Here you go, Donald Trump. Here's the keys back to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Yeah, right. You have just begun to see the desperate active measures from this regime. What that looks like, I have no idea. But be prepared, paranoid even, and be vigilant.

A
Speaker one, here's Aaron Rupert, who worked for vox before tweeting. If President Biden declared today's Supreme Court ruling to be an assault on democracy and ordered Chief Justice John Roberts imprisoned indefinitely. Would that be an official act? And then, of course, there's Keith Olbermann again. Hey, what the hell? Let's find out. Now, these are the most extreme voices of the left. These aren't normal lefties, but it just shows you the level of vitriol. They're fined with the word police. They're fine with this level of vitriol. I do want to get back to a couple of points from that Mica Brzezinski monologue this morning because it's straight out of the White House. Trust me. When she went on there for 15 minutes to her by the White House. So this is their defense. And we went through his sparkles back. He didn't forget to sparkle once he left the debate stage and his schedule and his long trips and his state dinner and his hunter, Hunter Biden's conviction and no pardon. That's what left him stressed out, too stressed out to debate. And now we get to, don't forget, with age comes wisdom. Listen to saat seven.

C
Like many, I want to know, was this a one off episode or a sign of what's to come? Can his team and the president himself move forward with more discipline and also manage the fact that he's 81 ages, wisdom and experience that in the case of Joe Biden, leads to more bipartisan legislation passed than any president over the past few generations.

A
So age is a plus. But unless you're named Donald Trump, and then it's not.

And here's the follow up. Okay, he's the comeback kid. It ain't over till it's over.

B
Now that is their, that's their new arc.

That's right.

A
Jersey governor.

B
That's going to be their new one.

A
Democrat introduced him as the comeback kid, and now they're pushing this narrative of he's done it his whole life. I don't know anybody who's come back from old age. I don't think that's how that works. But take a listen to the messaging on this, Saadi.

C
I don't think it's over.

This moment in the race fits the entire narrative of Joe Biden's life.

In his personal and professional life, Biden has repeatedly risen up from rock bottom.

It's what we love about him.

A
And she went through Charlie to list his wife died and his son died or his daughter.

He had an aneurysm. He got caught in like a plagiarism scandal, whatever. He, oh, God. She went through all the examples of it. Washington, of all the, oh yeah, Obama endorsed Hillary instead of Joe Biden. Poor Joe Biden. She did a destitution derby. History of Joe Biden's career to convince us he somehow is going to defy the aging and dementia process unlike every other human to ever walk the earth before him. Ok. It's amazing how the, the analogies don't work and yet they're continue spoon feeding them to us. And the real question is, are Democrat donors that dumb? Are independent donors that dumb?

B
I dumb maybe, or not. I know a lot of Democrat donors are freaking out. They hate Trump that much. And the smart ones are going to keep on asking questions. And look, I mean, here's what I have failed to understand is that there are private dinners you have with Joe Biden. Do you not see right through this? And now you just had on a broad display. So here's what's very important is that presidential debates are the opposite of football games. Presidential debates begin with very, very high viewership and it goes down dramatically after about 15 or 20 minutes. Exactly what you talked about, Megan, at Fox. Right. About 15 minutes is all I can handle. That's it. So 50 million people watch the debate. That's a pretty good number, right? It's not Super bowl levels, but it's 50 million. Okay. So that the first 15 minutes is the chunk of that 50 million. That's when Joe Biden was at his worst. I mean, he actually in some ways was not as bad towards the end of debate as he was at the beginning of the debate. So how they're going to recover, that's now tattooed into the memory of the american people. And it's going to require not just a lot of work, but not to mention you have an attack dog of an opposition candidate that is not going to let you forget it. You're not just running up against Mitt Romney here. You're running against Donald Trump, who commands all of the attention, who commands all of the eyeballs with a motivated base, who's increasingly winning with independent swing voters.

And so if they want to double and triple down on running with Joe Biden, so be it. Whether or not they're dumb, they are desperate and they do not know which direction to turn to. And Jill and Joe Biden are white knuckling onto power regardless what the polls are, what some other people are telling them.

A
The Washington Post has a piece talking about how, sorry, this is the Wall Street Journal, about how european officials, world leaders have been privately remarking on President Biden's deterioration for months that democrats have been ignoring those warnings. European officials expressing worries in private, noting a noticeable deterioration in the president's faculties. At the g seven, same thing. He didn't attend the critical behind the scenes meetings. He struggled to follow the discussions. He, our own president, couldn't follow what was being said at the g seven. Maybe Jill Biden should have gone in his stead on and on the anniversary of D Day, where he struggled. I could keep going. The Atlanta Journal Constitution saying it's time for him to pass the torch and responding to Kamala Harris saying he should be evaluated on the totality of his presidency. Not one night. That's Jill Biden's message, too. And Obama's message that bad debate nights happen, quote, these responses are insulting to the american people. They know better. And so what is likely to happen now, Charlie? Do you think Joe Biden will be forced out and if so, when?

B
Speaker one I don't at this point. It's a 50 50 shot. But I think that, I think they're going to stick with Joe because it's such a messy process. The only way that Joe gets removed is if Barack Obama privately comes to Joe and says, you're done. That's the only way. He is basically the pope of the Democrat party. What he says goes. He's the most popular, the most powerful. He built an entire deep state within the government that is, that is loyal to him. The only way that Joe goes is if Joe says, I'm done. There really is no other process at the convention to do that. These delegates are bound to him when, when they meet in Chicago, they are the, or they're not able just to kind of jump ship. But that is going to be one eventful convention for more reasons than one, by the way, in Chicago. And again, everyone thought that all the drama would be on the republican side. Trump facing law fair, Trump with a bitter primary, Trump after January 6. It's a great time to be a Republican right now. We've never been more unified. We've kind of never been more determined on our mission. The Democrats are in complete panic mode and disarray. The walls are closing in, as they would say an MSNBC.

A
Good luck to those who want to imprison Supreme Court justices, including the chief justice. We'll see how that helps your electoral chances. Charlie.

B
That's right. Thank you.

A
What a day. Thanks for being here.

B
Thank you.

A
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