Left Smears Kamala Critics as Racist and Sexist, and False Narratives Emerge, with Tulsi Gabbard, Michael Knowles, and RealClearPolitics Hosts | Ep. 846

This episode dives into political narratives surrounding Vice President Kamala Harris, critiquing the media and political response to her detractors.

1. Political narratives can often overshadow substantive policy discussions.
2. Media bias can significantly influence public perception and political outcomes.
3. Critiques of Kamala Harris are framed by some as racist or sexist, diverting from genuine policy critiques.
4. The role of digital media and podcasts in shaping political narratives is increasingly significant.
5. The need for critical media consumption is emphasized to understand the broader political context.

1: Introduction

Megyn Kelly introduces the episode's theme and guests, setting the stage for a discussion on political narratives and media bias. Megyn Kelly: "Welcome to today's episode where we delve into the media's portrayal of criticism towards political figures."

2: Main Discussion

The guests discuss the impact of racial and sexist narratives in political criticism, with specific references to Kamala Harris. Tulsi Gabbard: "We need to look beyond the surface and understand the motives behind how criticism is framed."

3: Audience Q&A

Listeners call in and pose questions to the guests, broadening the discussion on political bias and media roles. Caller: "How do we differentiate legitimate criticism from politically charged attacks?"

• Critically evaluate media sources to identify potential biases.
• Engage in discussions that focus on policy rather than personal attacks.
• Educate oneself on the political process to better understand the implications of media narratives.
• Support media outlets that strive for unbiased reporting and diverse viewpoints.
• Participate in community forums to discuss and clarify political misinformation.

Megyn Kelly is joined by Tom Bevan, Carl Cannon, and Andrew Walworth, hosts of the RealClearPolitics Podcast, to discuss whether VP Kamala Harris could perform better than President Biden against Trump in November, how much money her campaign has raised, whether Harris' record will hurt her with swing voters, the undemocratic way Kamala Harris was anointed as the next Democratic nominee, how the left is spinning the reality of the situation, the spin from Chuck Schumer and others about the "grassroots," J.D. Vance's first week as VP nominee, the latest alarming details about security lapses regarding the assassination attempt, and more. Then Tulsi Gabbard, author of "For Love of Country,” joins to discuss the Democratic elite lying about the process that anointed Kamala Harris as the nominee, their attempt to spin the truth about the consequences of her policy, her experience why Harris failed as a 2020 Democratic candidate, Harris’ extreme policies, the false narratives being created around Harris' record and push toward lawlessness, how she pushed for less police on the streets, her viral debate moment with Harris, and more. Then Michael Knowles of The Daily Wire joins to discuss the left and media attempting to make Kamala Harris seem cool and "brat," CNN trying to explain what "brat" even is, whether she's actually just awkward and vapid, how the the smears of the right as racist and sexist after Harris became the presumptive nominee, the false narrative that Fox host Brian Kilmeade said "colored" and insane reaction to it, using an old J.D. Vance clip about "cat ladies" to smear him, an incredibly emotional Elon Musk moment about radical transgender ideology and his son, and more.

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Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show live on SiriusXM, Channel 111, every weekday at noon east.

Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show. President Biden expected to address the nation tonight, a farewell address of sorts for what some are calling his zombie presidency. Is he there?

You heard? I think it was Michael Brendan Dougherty. Was it? No, it was Jim Garrity. Sorry. The other day, saying it's a. It's. He's a pine o president in name only, at least. Has been for the past week, and we don't know for how long before that. So we'll see tonight. Will he be live? Will it be on tape? And what will his message be for the remaining six months of his presidency? Will he address the questions about his mental acuity directly, which he did not do in his I'm stepping down from my candidacy letter? Meantime, Vice President Kamala Harris takes center stage in the political conversation.

This, I gotta be honest, has been insufferable.

I'm not, you know, I quoted this line the other day on Twitter. I can use it every day. It's Mister Gloop from Willy Wonka, which, you know, is my cultural reference for everything. And he says, I can't take much more of this.

That's me. That's all political reporters, but it's really me. In response to this attempt to rebrand everything Kamala Harris has ever done as the coolest thing we've ever seen. She's a meme queen, declares Politico. The sycophants and the press are working overtime to sell her to the public again as part of her rebrand. She's the fun wine aunt. She's not somebody who has a cackle. She's not laughing. Kamala. I just can't.

I can't. So far, no interviews announced. That actually is kind of interesting. And right now, she's relying on others to do the work for her. The polls are raising some red flags, meantime, for Team Trump, in the early days of the Harris candidacy, and that's where we will begin today as we are joined by the guys from real clear politics. Their website is a must read destination, especially during election seasons, but really every day all year round. Tom Bevin is the co founder and president, Carl Cannon is Washington bureau chief and Andrew Walworth is chief content officer. Together, they're also now the hosts of the Real Clear Politics podcast, which you can listen to live on SiriusXM every day on the POTUS channel at 06:00 p.m. eastern.

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Guys, welcome to the show.

Speaker C
Great to be with you, Megan.

Speaker B
Thanks for having us.

Megyn Kelly
Oh, it's nice to see you all. I listen to you often, but I never get to see you. And of course, I know only Tom.

I've really been enjoying the show. Welcome to SiriusXM. It's great to have you guys here. I think you're doing a wonderful job. I especially like it when Carl and Tom fight.

Whatever you're doing, it's working. So let's talk about, since it is called real clear politics, some real clear polling, which is also a section on the website.

When we came on the air yesterday, there was a poll showing that she was struggling when it came to younger voters, which is one of the areas in which she's supposed to be helping right the ship. But she hadn't.

In fact, Trump had had some 19 point swing from being underwater with younger voters in 2020 to being above Joe Biden by two points in younger voters and then was above Kamala Harris, according to latest polling, which only included one day. Post her announcer post his withdrawal, but still he, Trump was over her 17 points. Now we get the Reuters Ipsos poll.

This is registered voters, and it was conducted Monday through Tuesday. So all post his dropout and endorsement of her head to head, it shows Harris ahead of Trump by two points.

The last poll they did was mid July, showed Harris and a hypothetical at that point, 44 to 40 to Trump's 44, was it? So it was a tie. She's gone up two.

And in a three way race currently it's showing Harris up four points. She's at 42, Trump's at 38, RFK juniors at eight. So, Tom, we'll start with you. What do you make of the Harris favorability numbers here, at least polling numbers here in this Reuters Ipsos poll?

Speaker C
Yeah, there was another poll out this morning, the NPR Marist poll, which had Trump up one point. Look, I think it's clear that she has energized Democrats and, you know, numbers have gone up among African Americans, particularly women, hispanic voters as well in the early going. But to your point, not among young voters. She has, in the Quinnipiac poll that was released a couple days ago, she was underwater 14 points among independents, which is exactly where Joe Biden was. And we're also seeing that Harris is not doing as well among white voters.

I think, look, it's going to take some time for this to kind of settle in and sort itself out. But, and some of this may be just a temporary, you know, bump for her enthusiasm wise. She does seem to be, when Biden dropped out, he was trailing Trump in our real clear politics, national average, two way race by three points. And right now she's at one point, she's trailing Trump by 1.6. So a little bit of an upgrade there, but we'll see how long that lasts and where things settle. And we're still waiting for, you know, data on these key battleground states.

Megyn Kelly
Okay. But the thing is, Carl, even Trump's longtime pollster Tony Fabrizio has, they've leaked, obviously, an internal campaign memo saying, expect the Harris honeymoon that they expect to see in the coming days as the mainstream media goes wall to wall coronating her, as I said in the intro, redefining her, lifting her, celebrating her. And they see it coming, too. They know it's going to come. And then they say, but the honeymoon will end as soon as her record comes out. What do you make of that?

Carl Cannon
Well, I think that's right.

The Democrats almost had like a little convention in terms of the press coverage they were getting right after the republican convention, before we could measure whether there was a bounce out of Milwaukee for the Republicans. Joe Biden announced he's not running. Kamala Harris is coronated. And then, as you said, Megan, all this, this loving coverage. It wasn't the first time, you know, when she announced, when she ran four years ago, she got. I'd never seen coverage, news coverage like that. And the campaign was mismanaged. And as you know, she didn't even make it to the, you know, starting gate in Iowa, let alone the finish line at the convention. But this has started again. But the other thing is, if you think about it, there's, despite this revisionist history, that Joe Biden is the greatest president since George Washington or Lincoln that the Democrats are saying, and that there were four groups of people. This guy Biden, very low numbers for reelection, what, 40% job approval rating. So there were these four groups of Americans that didn't like the Biden administration. Um, the first group is conservatives and Republicans and Trump supporters who just wouldn't like a democratic president. Second group was people who were offended, swing voters, mostly independents. Joe Biden campaigned to be a unifying, you know, figure, and instead he was very hyper partisan, very divisive as president. And a third group of people are swing voters and independents who just thought their record on issues like immigration, inflation was abysmal.

But there's a fourth group. And that group was. And those three groups are all going to still be critical of the hair of Kamala Harris. But there's a fourth group of voters who just thought Joe Biden was too old. And that's the answer. Harris is the answer to that question. And so I think a bump up on that issue alone, you got this guy out. He was too old to run. He's out. People were looking for who wanted to vote Democrat but couldn't support this guy. They can now go to Kamala Harris.

Megyn Kelly
You know, Andrew, the numbers in terms of fundraising that they've pulled in over the past couple of days are pretty staggering.

It was, as of yesterday, something like 81 million in donations to Harris. Now, I saw the latest figure was up over 126 million, and just saw a report online that some 896,000 of those are from donors who had not donated anything yet this cycle.

All of that is very good news for what had been a limping democratic party.

But it doesn't change, you know, the fundamentals of the race. The policies that the Biden Harris administration put in place versus the policies that the Trump administration put in place. And let's face it, while the Republicans now are falling more in love with Trump.

His problematic behavior in the eyes of the Democrats is never going to change, nor are these Republicans ever going to warm up to her. She's not been some stallion in the wings that Republicans were looking at is like, you know, I could, I could meander over. No.

So what do you make of the influx of money? And how much should we be gleaning from that, given those dynamics?

Speaker B
Well, I always think the money, especially from small donors, is important.

Would point out, I'm waiting for Elon Musk to put up the matching grant on his side. I mean, Carl always points out money is the mother's milk of politics. There's a lot of money this time around. So I don't put too much in the donation numbers that are reported because they seem to go up no matter what happens on both sides.

I think that the memo from the Trump campaign, Tony's memo that you mentioned, and as a matter of fact, you can read that, that's on the site this morning. It's on real clear politics, is kind of revealing as to how they are going to approach it.

I'll just read you a part of it. They said the Democrats deposing one nominee for another does not change voters discontent over the economy, inflation, crime, the open border, housing costs, not to mention concern over two foreign wars. Before long, Harris honeymoon will end and voters will refocus on her role as Biden's partner and co pilot. I think that's how they're going to run the race. That's how I would run it if I were them.

You know, just tie her to the Biden record and, you know, because we know a lot of those policies, according to our polling, the polling we see are so unpopular, immigration, inflation, even lawfare, I think all a problem for her. And I don't see how she runs away from her role in the Biden administration, especially the foreshortened campaign.

Megyn Kelly
You guys have seen she's doing it with the media's help. What borders are, Tom, you've seen this. What are, she was at the border. She was, she didn't have anything to do with the border. It's actually pretty remarkable when you look at like axios this morning saying critics, Trump supporters are trying to say she was the border czar. She was never any such thing. And then, of course, Axios own former reporting calling her the border czar, not to mention Joe Biden's statements on the record assigning her responsibility for the southern border, have come back to bite. Axios and other, you know, Politico and other mainstream. The AP reported she was the border czar. Only now, Tom, is she magically no longer the border czar since she's become the democratic presumptive nominee. Yes.

Speaker C
Everything, every position that she took in her 2020 race, which were, was pretty far to the left on issues like defunding the police, defunding ICE, giving health care to illegal immigrants, et cetera, et cetera. All that stuff is now, you know, in the memory hole. And, you know, she's portraying herself. And I'm sure there's going to be, when they get to convention in a few weeks, it's going to be all about Kamala Harris, the tough on crime prosecutor from the Bay Area. And she's a real fighter, and she can prosecute the case against Trump. I mean, this is what the race is on right now over the next couple of weeks to define her and frame her. And obviously, Republicans are putting together ads. We saw when Phil Wegman, our White House reporter, tweeted one out that he got from a political operative. This Dave McCormick ad that's running in Pennsylvania, it's amazing.

It is amazing. And so those ads are going to be running all over the place.

Meanwhile, Kamala Harris is going to be running her own ads. But to your point, Megan, she's getting a pretty good assist from the media who are playing along with this idea that Yahoo, she was never a border czar. That was never her know, part of her, her brief. You know, it's going to be, it's going to be interesting to see if any of the, any of the critical coverage of her actually breaks through.

Megyn Kelly
It's crazy. And we're living in this mind meld moment where three days ago, Axios and Politico and all these other mainstream publications were doing their jobs as objective reporters, or at least pretending to. They were doing honest reporting on Joe Biden's mental acuity and his physical failings. And they were more interested than ever in being tough on both sides. And now she wasn't the border czar. She's cool. They turned her from, you know, whatever. It's. I mean, we all know what the media does, so it's just kind of amusing and somewhat irritating. Um, meantime, Carl, what we're seeing. Yeah, go ahead.

Carl Cannon
Sorry. Well, it's the crime. It's the prosecutor, the tough prosecutor. That is really an example of collective amnesia. You know, she was in California. I'm from. I'm kept from California when she was attorney general. That passed. You know, there's a proposition passed. Proposition 1447 that basically said shoplifting under $950 is no longer a felony. It's a misdemeanor. And, but you could do it at different stores. You could do six stores in a day. It's $950. That didn't count. And I, coupled with, they stopped requiring bail for misdemeanors. Then the police stopped responding to calls. People stopped, prosecutors stopped prosecuting. Eventually the stores stopped even calling the police. And it led to stores all over the state, closing in Oakland and San Francisco and these liberal places. Well, one of the reasons that law passed is because it was named the Safe Neighborhood and Schools act, which is, Thomas Buckley, a columnist, wrote that it might as well have been called the every, everyone gets a puppy act for all it had to do with crime. Well, guess, guess who wrote the name. Guess who wrote that name and endorse it? Kamala Harris, attorney general. So this tough on crime thing doesn't really, it doesn't to me comport with the record all that.

Megyn Kelly
Well, she's going to have to figure out where she's landing on that because, you know, when she was attorney general, she did go after marijuana users. She did favor a three strikes in your outlaw. So there were.

Carl Cannon
Oh, no.

Speaker F
Oh, yeah.

Carl Cannon
But this, this was, this was the antidote to that, though. This was prop for, this was to clean a record of that and to get rid of that. Proposition 47 through California veered. It had the three strikes law and it veered under Gavin Newsom's administration and Kamala Harris and last, last term of Jerry Brown away from that and became more liberal on crime again, Congress was part of that.

Megyn Kelly
She veered with it. She veered, too, because now, you know, in modern day, we've seen her, you know, bailing out BLM rioters and calling Jacob Blake and saying how proud she is of him and calling for defunding the police. I mean, she's like, so I do wonder, to your point, Tom, what message will we get at the Democrat convention? Is she going to lean into the early days of Kamala Harris as aG, real prosecutor version of herself, or is she going to lean into what we've seen more recently, which is more aligned with the Democrat party, although we'll see, because even some moderate Democrats now are seeing the folly of their ways as crime rises and, you know, criminals return to the streets. I do want to get to this, Andrew. The, one of the mind melds we're having at the moment is you've got a nominee presumptive, I guess. I think it's fair to call her at this point, of the Democrat Party, who not a single soul has voted for to be the presidential nominee. Not one person in the Democrat Party has voted for Kamala Harris to be their Republican or, sorry, their, their presidential nominee. And now you're starting to see a little blowback from groups like BLM, which spoke out about it, and some others quietly, reportedly behind the scenes, are saying, why do we do this? The whole thing was obviously very coordinated, was it not? Because they're trying to say, and I'll get to this in a second, they're actually trying to say this was grassroots. This was bottom up. Chuck Schumer's on camera saying this, but very obviously it was all coordinated by party elites in the 24, 48 or longer hours prior to her being endorsed by Biden.

Speaker B
Yeah, it raises a lot of interesting questions about the role of political parties now because a lot of people have said, gee, you know, political parties have become so weakened over the last couple cycles, you've got, you know, all this outside money. What did the parties do? What are they good for? Tom doesn't even want them to hold conventions anymore. He thinks that's a waste of time.

Carl Cannon
So, Megan, you don't know this, but Tom also dislikes the state of the union. He's a pretty curmudgeonly guy.

Megyn Kelly
He's right. Let's go back to the written statements.

Speaker C
Thank you, Megan. Thank you.

Speaker B
You want the letter sort of, you know, delivered by carrier Pigeon. That's right. But, but, so, you know, but you have raised a really interesting question, which is that was this all baked and did the party step up in a way? And when you ask that question, then you have to ask, what is the party?

It certainly seems to me that all this work in advance of Biden resigning from the campaign, that all of this was worked out and that Kamala Harris was, at the end of the day, the bet that they're making, because you have to see it two ways. One is if they don't put her in the chair immediately, do you end up with chaos or do you end up with what I think the BLM folks are talking about a sort of process that strengthens her because she is a trial by fire. It's small d democracy.

So I think what we're going to have, I think the problem she's going to have is, as you say, no one actually voted for her, although the Democrats will say that, look, you know, all these people voted for Biden, Harris. She was on the ticket, so they were really voting for her.

I think that's a tough argument to make, but I think.

Megyn Kelly
The lady in waiting. Keep going.

Speaker B
Yeah, yeah. But without going through the sort of cauldron of a primary she's really sort of stepping into, it's going from zero to 100 miles an hour.

Very few people, I think, have the political skills to pull this off. And I just think, given her performance the last time around, you really have to wonder whether she's the one who's going to be able to sort of step into a general election and appeal to independent voters and disgruntled Republicans. All the people she has to win in order to win those swing states where the whole thing will be decided.

Megyn Kelly
You know, Tom, Andrew accurately says that they were thinking in the elite circles of the democratic party, you know, it could be chaos if we open this up. Another word for that is just democracy, just allowing people to vote. And, you know, yes, we understand Biden had to go. I was a big supporter of it. I think you guys were, too, listening to your show.

That was obvious. But then there should be the chance to vote. Then it's up to the Democrats to replace him and decide who they want to be their nominee. That just did not happen, and the Republicans are exploiting it. Team Trump is out there every day calling this a coup. You know, what about democracy? I thought you guys cared about democracy. This isn't democrat democracy. And then you get this from Chuck Schumer. Would you look at this? That is so mockable on so many levels. Just watch and enjoy.

Chuck Schumer
President Biden's selfless decision has given the democratic party the opportunity to unite behind a new nominee. And boy, oh, boy, are we enthusiastic. When I spoke with her Sunday, she said she wanted the opportunity to win the nomination on her own and to do so from the grassroots up, not top down. She would work to earn the support of our party, and boy, has she done so in quick order.

So now that the process has passed, played out from the grassroots, bottom up, we are here today to throw our support behind Vice President Kamala Harris.

I'm clapping. You don't have to.

It's a happy day. What can I say?

Megyn Kelly
Tom?

Carl Cannon
Oh, boy, is that.

Megyn Kelly
Or William, where do we begin to this? His selfless decision. That's one. Boy, oh, boy, are we enthusiastic. With the fist pumping, everything. Then.

Then she wants to win it on her own from the grassroots up. And then in quick order, she's done it. Now the process is played.

There's no so. This is such a bunch of nonsense. It's a grassroots bottom up. The process played out of when you were asleep on Sunday night. The process played out, Tom, right behind.

Speaker C
Closed doors with Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama sort of calling the shots. But let's remember, Megan, how the Democrats got here. They rigged the primary calendar. They circled the wagons around Joe Biden early, early on. They did everything they could to marginalize RFk junior and dissuade anybody from running against Joe Biden. If Joe Biden had actually managed to have a legitimate challenge, he might not have won this primary on his own. And I would dare to guess that if Kamala Harris had been running in that primary as well, she wouldn't have won either. I mean, the Democrats, the data was clear. Plenty of folks, including plenty of Democrats, had concerns about Joe Biden's age and his mental acuity all throughout this process, even before it started. But the Democrats would have nothing of that, would hear nothing of that and really set up the process. So he was their only choice. I mean, Dean Phillips wasn't really a viable option. And so that's how the Democrats ended up with this mess that they're trying to clean up now.

And they're doing it by, I mean, some people are calling it a coup, but you can certainly call it, you know, it happened in a, maybe not a smoke filled room, but certainly behind closed doors as they made this decision and basically told Biden that he's, you know, he's got to be out.

Megyn Kelly
Given the age of our leaders on both sides. But in particular, the group you just mentioned, it was probably an oxygen filled room with, complete with tanks.

Now, wait. I would be remiss if I did not take a walk over to the republican side and see how they're doing. We talked about the polling, but we should spend a minute on JD Vance, who had a bit of a stumble on his first week out of the gate when he was speaking in front of a rally crowd in Ohio.

I gotta be honest, I still don't understand the joke. I heard it yesterday. I think I might have heard it the day before. I don't get the joke. He was making some sort of a joke about Diet Mountain Dew. I know from his book that Mountain Dew mouth is a thing that is prevalent in the area that he grew up because they give it to kids in their baby bottles. They give it to toddlers. It's very high in sugar. It's very, very bad for you. And this is one of the things he raised. And he had Pepsi in his own soda bottle. In his own baby bottle. He's talked about that as well, as just sort of an example of how there's sort of a class of people that's been forgotten and overlooked and some of their lifestyle habits are really not that healthy for children, but no one gives a damn about them.

I don't know whether that is being tied to here. I'll let you hear him trying to make the joke. It did not go over well and he's getting panned for it by the left side. Twelve. Speaker two.

Speaker A
It is the weirdest thing to me. Democrats say that it is racist to believe.

Well, they say it's racist to do anything.

I had a diet Mountain Dew yesterday and one today. I'm sure they're gonna call that racist, too. But.

Megyn Kelly
It'S good.

Speaker A
I love you guys, but.

Megyn Kelly
It was fine. It was like a smattering of applause. It wasn't like a huge applause line. But what's happening there? Because I have seen this covered on every show over on CNN and MSNBC.

Carl Cannon
Megan, you're overthinking it.

It's not nothing to do with diethyde, Mountain Dew or whatever. He's just saying, anything he does, they'll call racist. And on Morning Joe today, he criticized Kamala Harris. And the commentators would say he's not only racist but misogynist. So basically what they're saying is you can't criticize her at all without being called these names. I think he was trying to nip that in the buddy. It didn't work. But I have to tell you, I'm still trying to understand Donald Trump's Hannibal Lecter joke from the convention. So I'm one step behind.

Megyn Kelly
I mean, I got the joke. He wants to have you for dinner. I got that. I didn't understand what he was doing in the speech.

Carl Cannon
Exactly.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah, we took a weird turn.

All right, so they're going to try to paint JD Vance as Trump junior and just as racist and sexist and terrible as Trump. And the Republicans are sticking with the version of Kamala Harris that she's made of herself and that we saw represented even in the New York Times as prone to gaffes and mean, you know, a bully when it comes to her staff. Virtually everybody who's ever worked for her has quit.

So does any of this matter right? Or is it going to wind up being immigration inflation versus Trump and his colorful personality that viewers or that voters came to get a little sick of by the end of his first term? What do you guys make of that?

Speaker B
Well, I mean, people don't remember this, but I always think about triangulation which was what Dick Morris was talking about with the Clinton administration or Clinton campaign. I think it's going to come down to who can appeal to those voters in the middle who are still on the fence. There are only a few of them, but they're very important in the swing states. And I don't see right now any evidence on either side that either team is sort of thinking in those terms and willing to go after that. I think that the choice of JD Vance for vice president shows that Trump is going to stay in his lane. I think that Kamala Harris is going to have very, a lot of trouble trying to sort of move to the center, given not only who she is and her experience, but who she owes right now within the Democratic Party. So to answer your question, it probably will come down to those issues, but it really comes down to who will appeal to those voters in the center, those few voters that are left in those critical swing states.

Megyn Kelly
Now, wait, before you guys go, I would be remiss if I didn't ask you about Susan Crabtree, who's been just owning the reporting around the Secret Service failures and with respect to the Trump assassination attempt. And she was in a very public battle with the Secret Service spokesperson who was out there arguing with her on behalf of his, now soon, you know, resigned boss Kim Cheadle saying, you're wrong. She was reporting that her sources in the secret Service were saying Trump had asked for more security. It was denied. They said, you're wrong on the record. Absolutely false. Majorca said it. Crabtree was receiving this from him, from Cheadle and the spokesperson. Now we know she was right. Now they've been forced to admit it. And I heard her on your show yesterday saying something even more remarkable, which I didn't hear anywhere else. I have been saying on this show that the biggest thing I want to know, I'm open to the DEI criticisms of the Secret Service. I get how the five foot six woman did not look like the best choice to guard the six foot three Mandev, even though she was brave and she put herself in front of him. There's a height differential, probably not the best choice. But what I've been saying on this show all along is what's most important is figure out who put that building outside the Secret Service perimeter, who made the decision that that building the shooter was on did not deserve, you know, frontline coverage by the secret Service. Was that a man? Was that a woman?

Was that an experience? Who was that? And Susan knows she has the answer. Here's a clip from her on your podcast and SiriusXM show yesterday sat 16.

The perimeter is a huge, glaring mistake. And from what I am told is a very young female Secret Service agent new to the Pittsburgh office with not that much experience is the person who is the site manager who is determining the perimeter of that event. That was a glaring mistake as well as not putting somebody on that building in any way.

That's amazing. So it was a young, not just a female. That female is fine. We can do planning just as well as a man can, but young and inexperienced who made the call. And yet Kim Cheadle wouldn't reveal her name. You guys, that's, that's big report.

Carl Cannon
Well, you know, I woke up Sunday morning, the Washington Post had this lead story in their paper.

Trump asked, Trump team asked for more security is first reported here at the Washington Post. And I thought, God, that's odd. Susan had that five days ago. I know this because I edited the story.

Megyn Kelly
So they're so annoying.

Carl Cannon
Yeah, but I guess this is their way of saying and. Yeah, and you pointed out, Megan, they denied it on the record, her reporting. So this wasn't a big secret. But I'm glad you give credit to her because she's worked hard this week and broken all these stories. And this cascading series of security lapses at the Secret Service, it cost Kim Cheagle her job. My guess is that she won't be the last person to have to leave that agency.

Megyn Kelly
So Susan, I guess she's got just deep sources within the Secret Service. But do you think at some point we're going to be hearing actual names? I realize there will be a public pile on. I have some sympathy for that, but not much because, you know, a man is dead and a presidential candidate was almost shot dead in front of our very eyes. So I do think we need names and there needs to be accountability. And it sounds like we're going to need to rely on Susan and maybe Dan Bongino to get us there.

Carl Cannon
Well, when you say the buck stops with me as this, you know, Cheadle, director Cheadle said, what does that mean? If you don't willing to take means you have to resign. What it means there should be more resignations. There will be some firings. And you know, Megan, it heartened me a little bit at that hearing on Monday. Jamie Raskin was just as tough on the secret Service as chairman Comer. I mean, the Democrats actually realized this is a problem for the whole country, not just one, not just one party.

Megyn Kelly
Okay. I'm going to let you go, but I'm asking you just quickly before you go, they do this over on our pals, the editors podcast.

What would you put it out right now? Just quick, round the clock, the odds of President Trump beating Kamala Harris. How do you like it at, you know, one through ten? What are the odds, Tom?

Speaker C
60 40.

Carl Cannon
Megan, I'm stuck. Cause I'm stuck. Cause I said in a meeting with me and Andy and Tom that Kamala Harris is the next president of the United States. So that's my story, and I guess I'm sticking with it.

Megyn Kelly
Wow.

Speaker B
I go by the RCEP betting odds, which we average on the site every day. And I think as of now, I think it's about a 33% chance for Kamala Harris and a 57, 58% chance for Trump. And I don't know who makes up those other couple points, but I think that sounds about right to me.

Megyn Kelly
All right, 100 days to go and then some. Great to see you all come back again.

Carl Cannon
Thank you.

Megyn Kelly
Thanks, Megan.

Speaker B
Thanks.

Megyn Kelly
All the best. And when we return, Tulsi Gabbard is back with me. She was the one who effectively took Kamala Harris out of the presidential race back in 2019. You know, she was on the show recently talking about that. She hasn't weighed in since Kamala became the democratic nominee. She will next. Some Americans enjoy using their credit cards because it can be a hassle free and secure way to pay. But our sponsor, the American Payments Coalition, says that some DC politicians want to change that with the Durbin Marshall credit card bill. They say the bill lets corporate Megastores pick how your credit card is processed, allowing them to use untested payment networks that jeopardize your data, security and rewards.

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Chuck Schumer
President Biden's selfless decision has given the Democratic Party the opportunity to unite behind a new nominee. And boy, oh boy, are we enthusiastic. When I spoke with her Sunday, she said she wanted the opportunity to win the nomination on her own and to do so from the grassroots up, not top down. She would work to earn the support of our party, and boy, has she done so in quick order.

So now that the process has played out from the grassroots bottom up, we are here today to throw our support behind Vice President Kamala Harris.

I'm clapping. You don't have to.

It's a happy day. What can I say?

Megyn Kelly
And they didn't clap. And for the listening audience, while he's doing this bit, he's pumping his fist like, yay, we can do it. Both fists together. Swing, swaying. Bottom up. Grassroots. Just in case you didn't hear, welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show. Who better to talk about all of this with than my next guest, Tulsi Gabbard. She was a 2020 presidential candidate on the Dem side, and she is author of the book for Love of Country, leave the Democrat party behind. So you know how things went over there. Tulsi, great to have you back, especially so soon. But why shouldn't we, given the monumental developments since you were last on? This was a grassroots, bottom up quote process that was really given to the voters, just in case you weren't aware. Definitely not top down.

Tulsi Gabbard
True.

Yeah, sure. If you buy what Chuck Schumer is selling, which I don't. For a second, I was laughing as you play that clip, Megan, because, gosh, it's just so telling in so many ways, ending with him being the only guy clapping.

Megyn Kelly
Loyal Democrats and campaign operatives nonetheless.

Speaker A
Exactly.

Tulsi Gabbard
Exactly.

It really said it all about who's actually made the decision here, and it's not the rank and file Democrats. And we got to go all the way back to when the democratic presidential primaries were supposed to occur.

Stark contrast to when I ran in 2020 in that presidential primary where you actually had primaries and there were a lot of different choices from voters to select from, how that pre curation and pre selection process occurred between the Democratic Party and the mainstream propaganda media back then is another topic for another conversation. But at least there were many names on the ballot and voters had the opportunity to go and cast their vote for the candidate of their choosing in this election. Now, in 2024, many states didn't even have primaries. We actually had a few people who stepped up to run against Joe Biden in the primary election and their names are not allowed to be on some ballots in these states. So to say that, first of all, there was even a democratic process to select Joe Biden to be the nominee is a pure lie. And that lie is continuing on now as they try to create this new narrative and this facade of how the Democratic Party is going to the grassroots from the bottom on up to select Kamala Harris as the nominee. None of that has happened. What are we at? It's Wednesday now. This announcement was just made that President Biden was not going to run on Sunday. Where was the bottom up? Grassroots voices being heard and votes being cast now for Kamala Harris to be the new democratic nominee.

It's a lie. It hasn't happened. They have decided that she will be the nominee, but they're trying to pretend as though that this is a decision being made by the, the american people are certainly democratic primary voters to try to bolster her position rather than seeing it for what it actually is, which is a coronation by the Democrat elite who've been calling the shots for Joe Biden, who's been a figurehead for the Democrat elite for the last three and a half years. And now they see in Kamala Harris someone who will continue to be a figurehead and who will, who will do whatever they tell her to do.

Megyn Kelly
That's exactly right. She's going to owe them. She's going to owe them big. It's right on brand, though, Tulsi, for the Democrat Party. And what we've seen recently, recently where we've just been through years of them telling us not to believe our lion eyes when it came to Joe Biden's decline and then when it was no longer, you know, they were no longer capable of hiding it. And Kamala subs in don't believe your lion eyes, that this looked like a top down effort. You know, she was made the nominee by fiat.

You guys really actually voted for it. This came from you, the grassroots. And I have to say, of all the ones to object, finally you see BLM coming out and saying, this is not okay. She's been placed in there. We object to this. We do not support her and shouldn't there be at least the semblance of democracy here? I mean, it might be the first time I've agreed with the messaging coming out of that group.

Tulsi Gabbard
It is very telling again, and it's a continuation of two things. Number one is across the entire Biden Harris administration, they have consistently shown that they believe if they say something that it is somehow true. And number two, that we, the american people, are stupid enough to buy what they are saying and not pay attention to what they're doing. We've seen this dramatically with their open border policies over and over again for the last three years. President Biden, Kamala Harris, Secretary Mayorkas, over and over again telling the american people the border is secure. The border is secure. There is no crisis at the border. Don't worry about this. There's nothing to see here, folks. And then all of a sudden, because they see voters are looking at what's actually happening, they're not buying their lie. President Biden does this last minute political election year executive order to try to crack down on the, on the border and actually acknowledge, well, actually, no, it wasn't secure, but it's the Republicans fault and it's Trump's fault.

It doesn't make sense in any way, shape or form. They did the same thing with our economy. Bidenomics is working great. It's one of our greatest, greatest success stories. The economy is going to be great. The recession is not going to last very long. It's just a temporary thing. Don't worry about it. Nothing to see here. Meanwhile, everyday Americans are noticing that they can afford less and less every time you go to the grocery store, recognizing that our economy is not doing very well. Everything costs more now. And when are these prices going to fall? When isn't, when is inflation going to go down in enough of a way that makes it so that people can not have to be so concerned about how to cover the basic expenses of everyday life. We're seeing the same thing happen here. I think this statement from Black Lives Matter is very telling because they're speaking the truth, first of all, but second of all, also that it shows that they expect black voters to fall in behind Kamala Harris lockstep, once again playing the identity politics game rather than actually looking at what are the issues, what are the issues that are of concern to african american voters, to different demographics and constituencies across our country. They're not actually focused on solutions to the real challenges we face. Once again focused on what they say and hoping we fall for the lie and the optics of what they're presenting that are not reflective of the truth of the world and country that we live in today.

Megyn Kelly
So on the subject of the economy, I believe that this is one of the reasons Democrats are struggling so mightily. And I think it's so far we've seen Harris as well. It's only been days. So take it with a grain of salt with young people because they're being directly affected. They can't get into the economy. They can't get anything close to a running start. They're dragging. They can't find jobs. I also happen to believe the over the top Dei messaging that these young people have grown up with and been immersed in, in high school and college has turned a lot of them on these Democrats. They don't want their skin color and their gender and their whatever shoved down their throats. But look at this report from CNN. I've got two sound bites here from this guy, Harry Entin, who watches the polls carefully for them. They're very interesting. TUlsi we'll play the first one and then we'll go to the second. Watch.

Chuck Schumer
Joe Biden won voters under the age of 35 by 21 points. What do we see with Kamala Harris? Well, she's still ahead, but the margin here is significantly less than what we saw with Joe Biden back in 2020. She's up by just nine points. You may make the argument that was better than Biden was doing before he got out. But compared to that democratic baseline where Democrats have historically in presidential elections, at least this century, been carrying that young vote by 20 or more percentage points, she is way down from that. Democrats say they're more motivated to turn out after Biden left the race. Well, we do see a significant portion of Democrats who say, yes, 39%. The thing I was interested in was it disproportionately younger voters who said that they were more likely to turn out or more motivated to turn out. And what we see here is it's 42%, not a big difference between 42 and 39%. So this idea, again, that the vice president has unique potential to dig in and get young voters to turn out, John, it's just not there in the numbers. Despite all the Internet memes that are.

Megyn Kelly
Going around, they've only gotten a three point bump with young voters on enthusiasm since they announced her. Let me play the second one because this speaks more to party identification. And you and I both know you used to be a Democrat. I did, too.

When you're young, that's when the Democrat party is kind of usually most appealing not necessarily. Right now, look at this.

Chuck Schumer
I want to look at party identification again, voters under the age of 35 go back to 2020. This is the Pew research study. This is one of the best studies that we have. And look at that. 56% of young voters said that, in fact, they were Democrats. They identified as Democrat or lean Democratic. You look down at 2024, it's 49%. Look at the Republican jump from 39% to 49%. So when we say that Harris is doing worse than Biden, it's not that she's uniquely bad. It's rather she's fighting uphill. She's trying to fight against a wave that is going against the Democrats among young voters. And Harris may be unique in some ways. Maybe she does slightly better than the generic Democrat, but not all that much.

Megyn Kelly
So for the listening audience, it shows that the Republicans used to be at a significant disadvantage in getting young people to vote and register Republican. And it's been completely erased. And Democrats have gone from having 49% of the young voters registered as Democrat to just 30. They've lost ten percentage points off their share. So you explain that one to me, Tulsi, because that's, that's a problem for them.

Tulsi Gabbard
You know, what I think is encouraging of what we're seeing here is that you have young people who are questioning. They're not just accepting whatever they're being fed. Again, we can't cast a broad brush and say all young people this or that, but it's encouraging to see that there are more young people who are not just accepting at face value what the Democrat elite are saying when they say, hey, a boy can become a girl simply by declaring that it is so and that boys should be allowed to compete in girls sports. I think people are actually, this is young people. But I think across the board are recognizing the literal and pure insanity of these woke radical ideologies of the democratic elite are not only advocating for, but pushing and mandating in our schools. The fact that in some schools now, for example, a track team in my home state of Hawaii, a girls track team now has half of the team, half of the entire team are biological males competing on a girls team, taking away those opportunities from our young women and girls.

I think every rational, open minded person would look at this kind of example and just say, this is insanity. It's crazy. And so this, you mentioned some examples with regard to the economy. You look at examples related to our open borders and how it's not just the border states now that are feeling the effects and impacts of the almost four years of open border policies under the Biden Harris administration.

It's small towns, it's rural communities. I was in Montana recently and was talking to some folks there. This is Montana. You couldn't get farther away from the border on any coast or the southwest than Montana. And even there they are being impacted by the illegal immigration crisis and an increasing presence of criminal activity by the cartels who have taken a stronghold there.

It is harder for everyday Americans, young people who are usually not affiliate attached to an affiliation of one party or another from a generational standpoint. So it's encouraging to see how people are using their common sense, being critical thinkers, being independent minded thinkers about, okay, well, which party and which candidate is more accurately representing common sense and what is actually in the best interest of themselves, their families, their communities in our country.

Megyn Kelly
I was just talking to a couple of young people, young and in college, and they were each one of them, three guys all telling me they had furries in their high school and seeing them in college, that the kids regularly showing up wearing cat ears and tails and outfits and pretending that they were an animal during school hours. And all three of these young men happen to be white.

They have zero question that this is a disadvantage for them in seeking job opportunities, that in interview after interview we're going in another direction. Going in another direction. And invariably they hire somebody who's got some sort of identity that the box that can be checked. I really think this is having electoral consequences for the Democrats and it's showing up in some of these polls. And I think even they are going to realize this. I don't know whether they'll actually do anything about it, though, because they're so mind meld, mind melded into this ideology. I'm going to take a break and I'm going to come back because there's a lot more to get to. I want to get to Kamala Harris and who she is on the, on the crime issue because as I was pointing out, she supposedly has this tough history from California. But when she was elevated to vice president, her messaging changed dramatically and now even her party is starting to change on the issue of crime because it's gotten so bad. And even Democrats are realizing defund police is not a good message. So what the hell is she going to do? What's she going to say? Which, which one's going to emerge? I'll leave that as a tease. Quick break back to Tulsi Gabbard when we come back. Don't go away. Do you think America's heading in the right direction. If you do, you're in the minority. Unfortunately, the next generation does not understand the values that have made America the greatest nation on earth. But Prager U. Is trying to counter that.

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Tulsi Gabbard
Senator Harris says she's proud of her record as a prosecutor and that she'll be a prosecutor president. But I'm deeply concerned about this record.

There are too many examples to cite, but she put over 1500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was asked if she ever smoked marijuana.

She blocked evidence.

She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so she kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of California. And she fought to keep tax bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way.

Kamala Harris
As the elected attorney general of California, I did the work of significantly reforming the criminal justice system of a state of 40 million people, which became a national model for the work that needs to be done. And I am proud of that work.

Tulsi Gabbard
The bottom line is, Senator Harris, when you were in a position to make a difference and an impact in these people's lives, you did not. And worse yet, in the case of those who were on death row, innocent people, you actually blocked evidence from being revealed that would have freed them until you were forced to do so. There is no excuse for that. And the people who suffered under your reign as prosecutor, oh, you owe them an apology.

Megyn Kelly
So that was the July 2019 debate in one of the most memorable exchanges in recent history between now presumptive Democrat nominee Kamala Harris and our guest today, Tulsi Gabbard, former US representative as a Democrat and author of for Love of Country. And Tulsi said he just very negative experience with these Democrats who are now pulling the strings around Kamala Harris, too. But, you know, we went back even though we're friends and we fact checked everything you said, 100% accurate. There isn't one word of that that was off. And it was pretty telling that she didn't deny it. She just tried to pivot to I'm proud of my record. And so now she really is at a crossroads here because she's got to figure out whether she wants to be the no. Cash bail is a good thing.

Kamala Harris or the no, we don't like cash bail because it hurts minorities.

Kamala Harris and whether she's going to be the we want to prosecute marijuana users. Kamala Harris or the one who admitted to smoking marijuana for recreation purposes on a show. Right. Like, she's tried to reinvent herself so many times. And now the cultural winds have shifted such that I think she's going to be a little twisted on which way to land. What do you think?

Tulsi Gabbard
You know? 1st first, I think it's important to look at how how was it possible, you said that was July 2019.

Kamala Harris, I think, announced her candidacy in January of 2019.

How was it possible that I was the first person, the first candidate running for president at that time and really the first person, even when you count the mainstream media, to actually call her out and question her very simply, as you pointed out, question her, on her record that she said she was proud of as attorney general. This is important to point out, because it's a sign of what we should expect here for the next three and a half months in this election, that the media is going to continue to push out fluff stories about her. They are not going to seriously and honestly examine her record. They're going to treat her with kid gloves and even worse yet, create this new false narrative about who Kamala Harris is and to try to reshape her record. So we should be very clear eyed about that, because as you said, what I found there, as you and your research probably found, it wasn't very hard to look at her record and what she's claiming to be proud of.

Second of all, there is far more to look at than I had in the 60 seconds on that debate stage to bring up just a few.

Defunding the police. I have no doubt she will say with a straight face she did not support defunding the police. But the fact is that she did. She may have called it reimagining law enforcement, but in reality, what she was advocating for, even as vice president, was to take funding away from our law enforcement and divert it elsewhere. And this is coming. You know, we've seen in cities that have actually implemented this policy and what a failure it has been and how it has made our communities in this country far less safe and increased crimes, violent crimes and so forth, literally, because they have defunded the police. You look back during her time as attorney general, she promoted charging parents with a misdemeanor for true. See if their kids missed more than 10% of days in school. Well, this had a. And she passed this into law, and it negatively impacted so many families who, for one reason or another, maybe they had pulled their kids out and were homeschooling them, or maybe a family member got sick and they weren't able to take their kids to school. For a whole number of reasons. She turned parents into criminals, charging them with misdemeanors that could result in up to a year in jail, hauling single moms out of their homes in handcuffs. This is the kind of top cop prosecutor that Kamala Harris is proud of being. We look at her time as a member of the judiciary committee in the US Senate, where she was dismissing article six of the constitution that says there shall be no religious test, when she questioned Boucher, who was nominated by President Trump to become a judge, accusing him of being unqualified to be a judge simply because of his catholic faith and he was a member of the Knights of Columbus, accusing him of being part of some nefarious group and, in fact, implementing a religious test in defiance of the constitution.

There are a lot of other examples that we can give, but again, this is why it's so important that we point out her actual record. And when you have someone who doesn't believe in the rule of law, as we've seen with the Biden Harris administration's law fair that's been taking place, politicizing our public institutions, the Department of Justice and Judiciary, and law enforcement, to go after their political opponents, foremost of which is Donald Trump, but also including peaceful pro life protesters and others who dare to challenge their agenda and their position.

She wants to be the top cop and the prosecutor president, as she has claimed. We should be very concerned about that because she doesn't respect the Constitution. She is not willing to uphold the oath that she took to support and defend the Constitution. And so the law fair that we've seen under the Biden Harris administration, we can only assume would only get worse as she seeks to exercise her muscle in that respect. There has to be a reckoning with her record as attorney general, as us senator, and as vice president. And I believe that most Americans, when presented with the truth, as you pointed out in that moment in the debate, will realize how dangerous she would be if she, if she is to be given these levers of power to abuse.

Megyn Kelly
I mean, this is, in addition to wanting Medicare for all and to eliminate our private insurance plans, wanting to eliminate the filibuster so that she can pass the Green new deal and take away airplanes and cars and cows. This is actually stuff she's on the record with, not to mention her abortion policies. But here she is back in June of 2020, wanting to appease a riled up democratic base in the wake of the George Floyd situation, being pretty clear about how she felt about cops on the street. Look at this.

Kamala Harris
It is outdated and is actually wrong and backward to think that more police officers will create more safety. A big part of this conversation really is about reimagining how we do public safety in America, which I support, which is this.

We have confused the idea that to achieve safety, you put more cops on the street. You know, for far too long, the status quo thinking has been to believe that by putting more police on the street, you're gonna have more safety. And that's just wrong. It's just, that's not how it works.

Megyn Kelly
So that's. That's the new Kamala Harris, right? Not. Not the old one who is a DA and a prosecutor. The new one is, we don't need more cops. Fewer cops is the way. Now here we are, four years later, we've seen what a disaster that's been in particular for communities of color. Tulsi, those are the ones who got hurt the worst by that insane policy that she helped push.

Tulsi Gabbard
You know, those clips, that string of clips you just played, really, once again exposes her lack of knowledge and understanding and intelligence to be so simplistic as to say, well, more cops doesn't lead to safer streets. Well, it's a much bigger challenge than this. My sister served in law enforcement. I have a lot of friends who are serving in local, state, county, federal law enforcement. It's about investing in our fellow Americans who make this very selfless choice to go and put their lives and well being and safety on the line every single day to make our communities safe. It's not a matter of just mere numbers. It's about investing in them, their training and their capabilities to be able to face the kinds of extreme challenges that they do on a daily basis. It's about making sure that we have systems in place to be able to support them as they deal with these very traumatic situations and make it so that they are in a position to be most successful. Building those relationships with our communities, investing in local police officers who are serving their local communities and making it so that they and their families have that safety and security of knowing that they're cared for. It's taking this holistic approach to this challenge that we've been dealing with, with law enforcement and increasingly more dangerous streets, equipping them with what they need in order to accomplish the reason why so many people become law enforcement in the first place, which is to serve and to protect.

That is what we should be.

Megyn Kelly
She's got a record, time and time again, of demonizing the cops. No matter the situation, she's against the police. When Jussie Smollett came up with his nonsense story and said he was attacked and that anybody saying he wasn't was a liardeh, she sided with him. She came out and said this about him.

One of the kindest, most gentle human beings I know. I'm praying for his quick recovery. This was an attempted modern day lynching. No one should have to fear for their life because of their sexuality or color of their skin. We must confront this hate again, not directly involving the police, but there was a race thing, and that's underlying these attacks on cops. Then came Jacob Blake, who attacked cops. He went after cops with a knife. And rather than waiting for the facts, and by the way, you could see the cops were under threat in the videos that first came out. If you were just open minded, she piled on the cops there. And here's what she said in August of 2020. Sat 29.

Kamala Harris
We also see pain, hurt, and destruction in the aftermath of yet another black mandeh shot by police.

Jacob Blake, shot seven times in the back in broad daylight in front of his three young sons. It's sickening to watch.

It's all too familiar and it must end. But he is fighting for his life and he shouldn't have to be.

My heart goes out to the Blake family as they endure an ordeal that is tragically common in our country, tragically.

Megyn Kelly
Common with those terrible cops. And just to put a point on it, this is the same woman who is bailing out BLM protesters, raising money to bail them out. Rioters.

Here was Jacob Blake. The person she was, she said specifically not in that clip. She was proud of him. She's out there condemning the copse. It's all too common, you know, for these racist cops to shoot a black man who's unarmed and not a threat. Here was Jacob Blake after the fact. Giving an interview on Good Morning America.

Speaker A
I realized I had dropped my knife.

I had a little pocket knife, so I picked it up after I got.

Carl Cannon
Off of him because they tased me.

Speaker A
And I fell on top of him.

Speaker F
With an open knife in hand that.

Chuck Schumer
Blake says fell out of his pocket.

Speaker F
He walks around the front of the vehicle towards the driver's side door. What are you thinking at that point?

Speaker A
I'm not really worried.

Carl Cannon
I'm walking away from them, so it's.

Speaker A
Not like they're gonna shoot me.

I shouldn't have picked it up, right?

Megyn Kelly
She never apologized to the cops involved in the Jacob Blake situation. She never owned up to her lies about Jussie Smollett.

She's anti cop now because that's what serves her best politically.

Tulsi Gabbard
We shouldn't be surprised to hear how that story changes here in the next few months as she recognizes how much of our country truly values all that our law enforcement do every day. I think this is going to be one issue of many where, like, what happened on the 2020 campaign, she will come up with whatever she feels she needs to say in order to try to win this election in November. I think even back in 2020, it got to a point where her changing message and narrative really occurred, like, from Monday to Tuesday. You're not talking about a years long shift in her belief and position on a specific issue. Her positions on many of the issues that we've talked about today flip flopped so many times within the course of a week. Even the New York Times and the Washington Post were forced to call her out for this, saying that, well, we don't actually even know what Kamala Harris is advocating for. This is very likely going to continue to happen here, and we need to call her out for it every time because her record speaks for itself.

Megyn Kelly
Meanwhile, you know, the underlying left wing, obviously, you know, far left progressive California native is going to take a beating on actual policies. I made reference to outside of law enforcement, some of the far left things she's pushed. This is coming up already. And this ad, our first panel mentioned it. We have it. It's out of Pennsylvania, where the Senate candidate, McCormick, is running this against Bob Casey, who is the Democrat. Democrat is the. Is Casey. Dave McCormick is the Republican. Casey's a three term incumbent and it's a Senate race there. Casey's ahead by six points out there. You know, it's easier when you're the incumbent. But he just endorsed Kamala Harris. And Pennsylvania, of course, is ground zero in this presidential contest as well. So we're watching the Senate, we're watching the presidential contest. And take a look at this ad, which is already generating a lot of attention online.

Kamala Harris is inspiring and very capable. The more people get to know her, they're going to be particularly impressed by her ability. The nonpartisan govtrack has rated you as the most liberal senator.

Kamala Harris
I am prepared to get rid of the filibuster to pass a Green new deal. There's no question. I'm in favor of banning fracking.

Megyn Kelly
Would you ban offshore drilling?

Kamala Harris
Yes.

Carl Cannon
What is the solution for voters in the fossil fuel industry?

Kamala Harris
Giving the workers an ability to transition. We're not going to treat people who are undocumented across borders criminals. That's correct.

Megyn Kelly
Raise your hand if you think it.

Speaker B
Should be a civil offense rather than.

Megyn Kelly
A crime across the border without documentation.

Tulsi Gabbard
Yeah.

Megyn Kelly
Is that a position you agree with?

Kamala Harris
And we need to probably think about starting from scratch, outdated. It is wrong headed thinking to think that the only way you're gonna get communities to be safe is to put more police officers on the street.

Tulsi Gabbard
What?

Megyn Kelly
Do you support changing the dietary guidelines?

Tulsi Gabbard
Yes.

Megyn Kelly
You know, the food parent. What, for people?

Kamala Harris
Yes. Yes.

Megyn Kelly
Reduce red meat, specifically?

Tulsi Gabbard
Yes.

Chuck Schumer
People who are convicted in prison, like.

Speaker C
The Boston Marathon bomber on death row.

Speaker F
People who are convicted of sexual assault.

Megyn Kelly
They should be able to vote.

Kamala Harris
I think we should have that conversation. We have to have a buyback program, and I support a mandatory buyback program.

Speaker C
So for people out there who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it.

Kamala Harris
Let's eliminate all of that.

Speaker A
Let's move on.

Kamala Harris
I am opposed to any policy that would deny any human being public health, period.

Megyn Kelly
The more people get to know her, they're going to be particularly impressed by her ability.

I mean, that is just devastating.

Those are her actual, actual words.

Tulsi Gabbard
That's a very compelling montage of Kamala Harris. The real Kamala Harris, that people should be paying attention to.

These same policies that she's talking about in that montage of ads are exactly what we've seen, quite frankly, reflected in the Biden Harris administration of the last three and a half years. As hard as she tries to perhaps run away from some of these positions that she has very clearly taken for years in the past and that have been shown through and reflected in the Biden Harris administration, the most important thing is for voters to not fall for it. I think that's a very powerful ad that represents who Kamala Harris is and frankly represents the positions of the Democrat elite, the power elite who have been pulling the strings and calling the shots throughout this administration and what their goals and objectives are, those who she will follow their orders and be beholden to as she becomes the democratic nominee and if she is allowed to become president of the United States, it's really crazy.

Megyn Kelly
To hear her say she wants to ban fossil fuels, she wants to ban fracking. We know she also wants to ban nuclear power. She wants to do it all with windmills and solar power. Meanwhile, there was just a disaster with the windmills in Nantucket where one of these windmills came down and all of its toxicity is pumping into the ocean to the point where on the nearby beaches they're having to wear hazmat suits now to clean up some of the shards of this thing. And that's their answer to everything. There's absolutely no care for the environmental consequences of these new toxic fangled things like the windmills, like the solar panels and how much digging they have to do and not to mention the electric car batteries. Right. It's all just something that makes them feel better about green energy and the consequences to the actual earth be damned. That's just one of the many things that I hope to hear more on in the coming days. And we will actually be reporting more on that windmill disaster on this.

Tulsi Gabbard
Megan, I was on a long flight yesterday and Washington talking with one of the flight attendants, and she brought up politics and what's going on and the breaking news. And really for her, one of the main takeaways I have from the conversation was she said, look, I care about having clean air to breathe and clean water to drink. I just don't want to drive an electric vehicle. I want to be able to drive the car or truck that I choose to. And I thought it was such an important statement that she made because it really cuts to the heart of the dichotomy and the huge contrast between what we're seeing coming from today's Democrat party and the Democrat elite versus what we're seeing coming from President Trump and largely the Republican Party of today, the Democrat elite wanting to take away our right to individual liberty, our freedom to make these choices for ourselves. If you want to drive an electric vehicle, you should be able to do so. If you don't want to drive an electric vehicle, you want to drive a, a forward f 150, you should be able to do so.

And that really is the thing here that I think most Americans will recognize, is we don't want the government to force us to eat what they tell us to eat or to drive whatever they tell us to drive. When it comes down to the choices that we make for ourselves and our families, we should have the freedom to make those choices. And that to me, it comes down to freedom. It comes down to liberty and one of very limited government going back to what our founders envisioned for us at a federal level, decentralization, valuing our individual liberty and freedom of choice, versus the democrats who believe in big brother, big government. They know what is better for us than we do for ourselves. And so they will take away our right to make those individual choices. And that is what is most dangerous about what today's Democrat party and Kamala Harris represent and what their goals and objectives are.

Megyn Kelly
That poor flight attendant is not only going to lose her car of choice, she's going to lose her job if Kamala Harris has her way, because that Green New Deal will be the end of the airline industry. Tulsi, thank you so much. It's always great to see you.

Tulsi Gabbard
Thank you, Megan.

Megyn Kelly
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Megyn Kelly
Who is more desperate to coronate Vice president Kamala Harris, the Democrat elite or the sycophantic media?

So many examples to choose from. And I'm so happy to be joined by my friend Michael Knowles, host of the Daily wires Michael Knowles show. I don't even know where to begin. I, I'm so annoyed by this whole discussion. My team keeps saying, MK, you've got it. You've got to go there. It's, it's everywhere. So I am going to appease my team because I love them. They're trying to rebrand Oliver awkwardness. We touched on it yesterday as something called brat.

No one really understands what that is. Here is the most awkward discussion on CNN where Jamie Gangl tries to explain it. Part of the fun is just watching her do that. Watch.

Kamala Harris appears to be leaning into this.

Speaker C
The singer Charlie XCX tweeted last night, Kamala is brat.

And this is in reference to her album.

Chuck Schumer
It's called Brat.

Speaker C
Kamala has branded her Kamala HQ Twitter page with the same aesthetics.

Megyn Kelly
And for those who don't, are not.

Kamala Harris
In the know the way I am. That is cool thing.

It has a color. Chartreuse is the color. And Kamala Harris has adopted that for whatever social media page that is. But I have brought some notes because I knew you would want a definition.

Okay, here we go. Charlie XCX, who I do know, quote, brett, you're just that girl who is a little messy and likes to party and maybe says some dumb things sometimes, end quote.

Megyn Kelly
So it's the idea that we're all.

Speaker C
Kind of brat and Vice President Harris is brat.

Kamala Harris
I don't, well, I don't know if.

Megyn Kelly
You aspire to be brat, right? You don't become brat. You have to try.

Kamala Harris
You can work at it.

Megyn Kelly
I will aspire to be Bradley Michael Knowles. My head hurts.

I don't get it. I don't like it and I don't believe in it.

Speaker A
Megan, I can clear it up for you. Kamala is not brat, though I understand why some people think that she is. I had not heard the term used in this way until about five minutes ago. I also had never heard of Charlie XCX until about five minutes ago.

No one had, except for the man that I knew I had to call to resolve this mystery, and that is my homosexual former video editor. I said, if anyone's going to know about this, he will. So I called him as I was waiting to come on your show, and I said, you need to tell me everything about Charlie, XCX and brat. And he gave me a beautiful explanation. He's quite a fan of this singer, but he said emphatically that Kamala is not brat. And here's why.

Brat seems as though she is vapid and vacuous and just a kind of fun, frilly party girl, but deep inside has a roiling inner life. She is plagued by self doubt, anxiety, and deep introspection.

The reason some people think that Kamala is brat is that she appears to be vacuous. The reason that she is not brat is that she is, in fact, vacuous. So I don't think anyone would accuse Kamala Harris of having a roiling in her life or constantly thinking about her place in the world and what that means in any kind of cosmic order.

Vapidity of brat, but. But none of the redeeming qualities.

Megyn Kelly
I I guess this is what they have to do because her moments of awkwardness are just, you know, they're everywhere. We've had years of exposure to them. It's like the new gaslighting, as they did with Joe Biden's infirmity. Don't believe your lying eyes. All of those awkward moments are actually cool. Her inability to say anything stirring or moving is actually just part of her fun personality, even though she's trying over and over with the same exact phrases to bring us to our feet and cheers or tears, whatever it is.

This leads me to my favorite thing that's been in the news over the past few days. I confess I didn't know this woman prior to discovering this the other day, and now I can't get enough of a stay. Patty. Forgiveness, please, Estee, because I don't know if that's how I pronounce your name. Is it Palti? Palti.

She's amazing. She goes by at momomommommy rn 88 on x.

And her imitation of Kamala is spot on, but she's about had it with the repetitive choice of words. Watch.

Kamala Harris
Are many more who are able to see what can be unburdened by what has been kamala, I need some new material.

Okay, you've said. You've said that quote many times.

Okay, let's move on a little.

Let's galvanize new words, new phrases.

Let's look into Aristotle, Socrates. I mean, if you're going to plagiarize, you know, make it good, but this is, you know, this is borderline ridiculous.

Megyn Kelly
Wow.

It's spot on. She's so good. That's an accurate portrayal of the actual Kamala Harris, not brat.

Speaker A
This is the problem is it's fun when serious people get a little goofy every so often, but when goofy people just continue to act goofy all the time. It's nothing fun. It's just sort of sad. And it's especially sad and alarming when there's goofy people. Yeah, it's alarming when they're running for president of the United States. Even to the comedienne's point that she needs some new material here. Kamala's vapidity is actually one note. So she just has that phrase that we have to imagine what can be unburdened by what has been. And then she'll just look at things. She'll say, look, a school bus. I like school buses. School buses, huh? Spaceship. Go.

And there's nothing really underneath that. So it's.

I think it helps to explain why the Kamala Harris campaign is trying desperately to make her seem hip and cool and meme y, and they're glomming onto this new album that just came out, brat.

But if you want to see the real enthusiasm, look at the Chuck Schumer press conference. When Schumer came out and endorsed Kamala Harris, he said, we're so excited. We're so excited. And he clapped.

This was the second jeb bush moment in two days of her campaign. Is that okay? Well, you don't have to clap. You don't have to be excited, but I'll clap. Please clap. And then Hakeem Jeffries, the minority leader in the House, he came out and with a straight face managed to say that Kamala has earned this nomination. This is not a coronation from the elites. This was a grassroots movement, which is. I don't even.

What would the propaganda justification for that be?

I don't know. So in many ways, I think that some of the Democrat elites have settled on Kamala because they just think that the election is over and they want to save the more powerful candidates until 2028 when maybe they have a better shot.

Megyn Kelly
It's such a lie. And what the, what we're going to get for the next three months is everything is racist and everything is sexist. If you criticize Kamala Harris, they're already starting to do it. The temperature on those issues is going to reach fever pitch levels because that's their favorite tool in their toolbox on the left already they're saying it's sexist to talk about the fact that she slept her way into San Francisco politics with Willie Brown. That's not sexist. We'd be saying that if a man did it as well.

Speaker A
It just, I guess that's a little brat.

Megyn Kelly
She's a woman. In fairness, maybe that's brat. No, I mean, so that's a sexist attack on her. No, it isn't that. If you wouldn't do it for a man. Let's go back and look at all of the, the attacks on Trump's sexual past and behaviors. They were all there, too. Not just the alleged sexual harassment and assault that he got accused of, but his sexual background was discussed a lot when he was first running. In any event, there's that, then there's the race. And what I've noticed in my time as a political journalist is when this gets into the ecosphere, it raises the attacks on everyone. It's not just going to be somebody who takes direct aim, Kamala Harris. It's going to be anybody in right wing media or just fair media, any american out there who has an opinion of Kamala Harris that's not favorable. It's going to get attributed to her race. And there was a small example of this just this morning on Fox and Friends where Brian Kilmeade was doing a totally appropriate segment on the fact that she's skipping Benjamin Netanyahu's address to Congress today, where she's expected to be to go meet with her college sorority.

Okay. This is not a serious person, but it's actually part of her, the soft boycott that's going on of Netanyahu in Congress in any event. So he was talking about that. And here we have the soundbite. Here's what he said. Top 48.

Chuck Schumer
She will not show up for the prime minister's joint session of Congress today.

Megyn Kelly
She rather address in the summer a.

Chuck Schumer
Sorority, a college sorority, like she can't get out of that. So that's her decision and that's her decision to back.

Megyn Kelly
Now his detractors and her supporters are accusing him of calling her colored, a colored sorority. What he said was a college sorority. That's clearly what he said. Brian Kilmey has been on the air for 20 plus years.

If he were going to refer to black politicians as colored, it would have happened prior to now. We had a black president for eight years. He didn't store it up for this moment in 2024 when he could unleash it on Kamala Harris. Absolutely no benefit of the doubt for him. And even more nasty are people like Claire McCaskill, who decided to look at Lawrence Jones, who's on the set. He's a black man with Brian and shame him. This man said nothing after she was called colored. And to his credit, Lawrence got out there saying to her and others like, who are making the same point, I'm the black man. You're so damn dishonest. He said college, but that's all you have. You know, the bullshit that you advocate for only brings death, poverty and destruction to our black communities. You're welcome on the show anytime to debate it, me and you. That was in response to Claire. That was in response to another person. But you know what? Here's the thing. Like Claire McCaskill, a white woman shaming a black man for not getting offended at her mishearing. Intentional, I would submit, of what Brian Kilmeade actually said. It's so gross and dishonest.

And here's Jamel Hill to just for kicks, nobody on the panel flinched when he said it. Fox News doesn't reach new lows because remaining in the gutter is their standard. And then there was Eugene Daniels, who reports for is political, who also piled on what? Political? Yeah, but to his credit, sort of followed up with, I spoke to Fox and plan on speaking to Brian when he's off air. They've made clear to me he said college, not colored. The audio is garbled, but I'm going to take Brian and his team at their word. Eugene, that's what you should have done at first. What histories Brian Kilmeade had of saying something like that. Right? Disgusting. And they all do it for political purposes and ideological, too. This is what they think of white men, Fox News, and right leaners in America in general, of course.

Speaker A
And it seems intentional to me because the words college and colored don't even have the same vowel sound. It's col and cull. Those are different sounds. And you can clearly hear, even though the audio is a little garbled from Brian on Fox. He clearly says call as in college, not cull as in colored. But I'll go further.

Why would it be such a huge deal if Brian said that? Brian would not say that. Brian has not said anything like that. But if I just listen to the way that the left talks about race, I am told that we must refer to people of color. We have to refer to Kamala Harris as a woman of color. In fact, we were told by Joe Biden that she was selected for her job because she is a woman of color. So we're told by the left, we have to use this phrase of color. But if we say the phrase colored, which is semantically identical, you're basically the grand cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan. The whole thing, beginning to end, is so deeply disingenuous that I think we just laugh at them and ignore them. And I think that's what most Americans are doing.

Megyn Kelly
It's ridiculous. He didn't say it. He hasn't said it. And they need to really get a grip. It's just offensive.

Okay. The media, while I'm on it, the pile on. And JD Vance is also underway as they coronate Kamala. The pile on. And JD is underway.

They're very, very upset about an interview he had with Tucker Carlson years ago when Tucker was on Fox. Very upset about this reference he made. And I'll play it. I'm going to play a CNN side anchored by this moron Casey Hunt, who's a repeat violator of being a moron. She's just on. She's the one who was like, you will not criticize Jake Tapper on my air. My colleagues, you cannot say anything bad about them before the debate. She's just, she's lost. She's in hysteric. So here she is in act two and she'll toss to the JD sat. So it's embedded in what I'm about to play you. Listen.

Tulsi Gabbard
This recently resurfaced video of republican vice presidential candidate JD Vail. It has restirred an uproar and is.

Megyn Kelly
Raising questions about how sexism will play into the campaign now that Kamala Harris is leading the democratic ticket. This was Vance speaking to Fox News.

Speaker A
In 2021, we're effectively run in this country via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they've made. And so they want to make the rest of the country miserable, too. And it's just a basic fact. You look at Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, AOC. The entire future of the Democrats is controlled by people without children.

Tulsi Gabbard
Childless cat ladies remind everyone who else is a very powerful childless cat lady, quote unquote, because the Internet really likes Taylor Swift in this particular moment.

Megyn Kelly
Oh, my God. And then one of the panelists called JD vile.

Let me, here's a pro tip. If you are a news anchor, do not deliver all of your takedowns in a singsongy fashion with weird faces that look uncomfortable on you because it is off putting to the very audience you mean to persuade. So, Michael Knowles, what do you make of childless cat lady? And the larger point that JD was making, that childless politicians may not have the same investment in America's future.

People who have kids do well.

Speaker A
You'll notice as those liberal journalists clutch their pearls, they never say he's wrong.

They never really make an argument against him or anything like that. So did JD use provocative language on a news show? Sure. Isn't that, that's just kind of what one does on a news show. But his broader point is one that has been made in the academy, in politics and in the media for some years now and not even just pertaining to America. It is a little weird that the nations of the west, you see this, especially pronounced in Europe, are run by people who don't have kids.

Obviously, not everyone gets to have kids. A lot of people suffer from infertility.

Children are a blessing and this is a fallen world. So people have to suffer with a lot of things. But it is kind of odd when the leaders of our nations don't want to have kids. They're not even interested in the future.

The family is the basic building block of politics. So if the family falls into disrepair, if the next generation is neglected or put off, that tells you something political. And so the point he made is absolutely right, is why the liberal journalists don't actually refute it.

Megyn Kelly
You know, it's, I guarantee you that if JD Vance actually encounters a childless cat lady out on the campaign trail, he will have as much empathy for her and understanding of her life as he would for anybody. It is obviously a, it's like a, I don't know what to say. It's a joke, but it's loose language to describe a category of person who is constantly harping on us all about our suv's and our gas stoves and all the other decisions we make in our life while she tries to tell us, you know, all of those are terrible choices because her choices to save the world are the right ones and we need to have the full, fulfilling life she has, as opposed to ours that we've chosen through children and so on. This is a caricature of some leftists that's based, you know, on fact. We've seen some of these people. That's what he's trying to say. Of course everything is going to be filtered through the, he's a sexist, but Kilmey's a racist. JD's a sexist.

All the right is bad and it's good. I guarantee you it's going to get turned up to a ten now because she's a black woman running for president.

Speaker A
I just don't know if it works. I mean, to your point, Megan, yes, of course. JD is talking about a type here, just as you might talk about the type of the crazy conservative uncle at Thanksgiving, which actually happens to be me. I am both the figure of that person and that literal person. There are all sorts of types. You know, that's what a stereotype is. And there's always some truth to a stereotype, though it doesn't necessarily apply to every individual. So that's how they became stereotypes in the first place. So he's speaking in this way and obviously it resonates. That's why they're talking about it. But as you point out, yes, they're going to use race and sex and they're going to harp on race and sex because Kamala Harris doesn't personally have very many accomplishments behind her. In fact, the one thing that she seemed to do somewhat well is prosecute people. And she actually prosecuted a lot of people she shouldn't have, including my friend David Daleiden, whom she prosecuted for revealing the truth about Planned Parenthood and exposing that the abortion industry sells baby parts for money.

But she was a prosecutor. She did actually bring up people up on charges. She did put people in jail.

Other than that, though, that obviously isn't going to play very well among the Democrats. Democrats want to abolish prisons in many quarters. So she doesn't really have anything. The administration that she's been a part of has been a complete disaster. So she can't run on the economy. She can't run on migration, she can't run on foreign policy. She can't run on the border as she's supposedly, the borders are. So the only card that she has to play is race and sex.

And perhaps that'll work with some of the Democrat base. I don't think that really persuades the swing voters and the swing states that she needs to win Trump.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah, I agree. It's a turn off to them. And it's like the left for years now has been demonizing white women as Karen's and laughing at white tears and so on. No problem. That's fine. That's a leftist thing. They, they're, they've never met a conservative woman who they would tolerate, like or defend.

And yet they're supposed to be our champions. They're the ones who are going to have the moral high ground when it comes to how we speak about women.

F you seeded that moral high ground long ago, and we all know it. Some of us have lived it.

Okay, I've got to get to Elon Musk. Extraordinary interview with your colleague over the Daily wire, Jordan Peterson. And revealing. We knew that Elon had a child who said that they were trans and that the relationship there had broken down because the child had spoken out about it, saying Elon was no longer this. This kid's father that had made the news. I've never heard Elon talk about it, and, boy, did he with Jordan. Here's a clip.

It happened to one of my older boys where I was.

I was essentially tricked into signing documents for one of my older boys, Xaviere.

This is before I had really any understanding of what was going on. And we had Covid going on, and so there was a lot of confusion.

And, you know, I was told, oh, you know, Xavier might commit suicide if he. That was a. That was a lie right from the outset. Incredibly evil. And I agree with you that people that have been promoting this should go to prison. It wasn't explained to me that puberty blockers are actually just sterilization drugs.

So, anyway, and so I lost my son, essentially. So, you know, they.

They call it deadnaming for a reason. Yeah.

All right, so the reason it's called deadnaming is because your son is dead.

So my son Xavier is dead.

Killed by the woke mind virus.

I'm sorry to hear that. So I vowed to destroy the woke mind virus after that.

Hmm.

It's dark, Michael, but it's exactly right.

And I hate to be flip about it, but one wonders, like, is there a reason that happened to the richest man in the world or one of them, so that he could help save other children.

Speaker A
In Providence? If you're a religious person, you believe that all of history is turned ultimately toward God's ends, even as we try to screw them up as best we can. So that's a bit of a consolation, but it's a small consolation to Elon. Your heart just breaks for him, listening to this story. And he's hit on something which I think is really important to the transgender ideology. I've mentioned it for some years now, but it's eluded a lot of people, which is that the transgender transition is a religious ritual, an irreligious ritual, I guess, and it's a kind of ritual suicide. This is why you refer to your old self as dead, as a dead name. It's a kind of a ceremony of rebirth into some new gnostic identity. And it's terribly harmful because it's not in accord with reality. And it brings with it all sorts of false theories about the relation of the body and the soul and who the person is and our role in creation. And it smuggles all of that in. But the way that the radical leftist smuggled it in is under the guise of following the science or following the best advice of medical professionals. Well, you hear Elon say there, they lied to me. They lied. They gave my kid these drugs that are essentially sterilization drugs. And to use the kid's own words, they killed my son. And so then he uses another phrase there, the woke mind virus. And it's a popular phrase. I think it was coined by my friend Gad Sadhga.

Yeah, love the guy. It's got a great bit of currency, this phrase. But sometimes it's a little hard to define. Well, to me, it's simple enough to define, which is the woke mind virus is just the logical conclusion of liberalism. If you make your politics all about the individual will, the self maximizing individual autonomy, I can be whatever I want to be, even if biology says otherwise. Even if everyone says otherwise. Well, then the final conclusion of that is, I am Mandev can really become a woman. I can kill myself. I can kill my true identity and become some new thing. That's the logical conclusion of political liberalism. And so a lot of people who might have called themselves liberals, I think Elon would have called himself a liberal. A lot of people would say I'm a classical liberal or a libertarian or a center liberal or something like that. They're now seeing the logical conclusion of these premises of this ideology. And so some people want to walk it back three years or five years. Let's just go back to 2014, before we were sterilizing kids and sending them down this awful path, which is involved with anxiety and depression and often suicidality. Well, you can't really just unwind it back that far.

Something has led us to this point where otherwise intelligent, sensible people are saying it's okay to sterilize a kid and pretend that a little boy is a little girl. We've got to address the root cause of what that is. It's that ideology goes a lot, a lot deeper. We've got to reconsider so much that has led us to this moment of heartbreak, not just for Elon, but for many, many families around the country.

Megyn Kelly
I really think, you know, I recently read Maureen Callahan's book, ask not, which I love. Very good. Very good. Summer read about the Kennedys and their long, sordid history with women in particular. And it talks about how they had one of their children lobotomized. She was slow and they didn't like it and they had her lobotomized. And I think that era of medicine is akin to what we're seeing right now with children, where we are chopping up healthy body parts like they did when they lobotomized people, otherwise healthy people.

In the name of what now today, politics, political correctness. And Kamala Harris is in favor of it. Kamala Harris wants it to continue. You, your kid, my kids, all of our kids, that if they decide, you know, in the midst of a depression that they want to chop off a body part, that should be their decision and we shouldn't interfere this. I don't, that's it. That's, that's a last word on it. But that's among this woman's many problems. Michael Knowles. Got to go. Thank you.

Speaker A
Great to be with you. Thank you, Megan.

Megyn Kelly
We're back tomorrow with James woods, the actor. Can't wait to talk to him.

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