Biden Still Hiding After Dropping Out, and Elites Coronate Kamala, with Charles C.W. Cooke, and Jim Geraghty, and Dave Rubin | Ep. 844

This episode delves into the unexpected announcement of President Joe Biden's withdrawal from the presidential race and the subsequent endorsement of Vice President Kamala Harris.

1. Biden's exit from the presidential race was abrupt and lacked transparency, causing speculation and concern among both the public and political insiders.
2. The episode discusses the potential health issues of President Biden, which might have influenced his decision to withdraw.
3. The lack of an immediate public appearance by Biden post-announcement has fueled conspiracy theories and concerns about his capacity to continue in office.
4. Vice President Kamala Harris is positioned as the new Democratic frontrunner, receiving Biden's endorsement amidst a chaotic transition.
5. The discussion raises questions about the strategic moves within the Democratic Party and the future of their leadership.

1: The Announcement

The episode opens with Megyn Kelly discussing President Biden's unexpected withdrawal from the presidential race and the mysterious circumstances surrounding his lack of public appearances. Megyn Kelly: "President Joe Biden will be dropping out of the presidential race, vying for a second term. But the very real question this morning is where the hell is the president?"

2: Health Speculations

Speculations about Biden's health dominate this chapter, with guests discussing his recent appearances and the possible reasons behind his sudden decision. Charles C.W. Cooke: "It does not make any sense for both. The president's doctor, 45 minutes before the announcement, puts out a statement saying, the president's recovering. Great blood oxygen level is what it should be."

3: Political Ramifications

The focus shifts to the political impact of Biden's decision, particularly the quick endorsement of Kamala Harris and the future of the Democratic Party. Jim Geraghty: "The lack of endorsement for his vice president triggered a flurry of panic, text messages, and calls."

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Megyn Kelly begins the show by discussing the monumental news that Joe Biden has stepped down as nominee through a statement posted to his X account, why there are questions about the validity of his signature, the alarming way he looked when he was last seen on Wednesday, and more. Then Charles C.W. Cooke and Jim Geraghty of National Review join to discuss why it's strange that Biden hasn’t been seen or heard from for days, the true nature of his health condition, whether Biden really can remain president now that he's no longer running as the nominee, if Kamala Harris has an actual shot of winning the presidency if she's the Democratic nominee, her cringe and awkward moments that attempt to cover up her nervousness, young people online trying to make her awkwardness seem cool, her political failures during this administration, how top Dems will try to sell Harris to America and whether it will work, whether she might be installed as president in the next few weeks too, and more. Then Dave Rubin, host of The Rubin Report, joins to discuss the failures of the Secret Service that led to the assassination attempt on Trump, the lack of accountability surrounding the incident, the Secret Service director Kim Cheatle being grilled by both sides of the aisle in a Congressional hearing, her refusal to give any actual answers, Nancy Pelosi’s endorsement of Kamala Harris, top Dems pushing Harris as the nominee while Biden remains hidden, and more.

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Megyn Kelly
Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show live on SiriusXM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show. We begin today with a stunning announcement via x post yesterday that President Joe Biden will be dropping out of the presidential race, vying for a second term. But the very real question this morning is where the hell is the president?

Where is he?

Why haven't we seen him?

At 01:46 p.m. eastern on Sunday afternoon, Joe Biden unceremoniously ended his reelection bid with a one page written statement posted by whoever writes his ex account type written. I should clarify. As of this moment, we still have not seen or heard from the president publicly.

The news was kept so close to the vest that even top advisors and members of his cabinet say they found out via social media.

Stunned White House staffers reported to have broken down in tears at the news.

After all, they had been defiantly telling us all for weeks that President Biden was not dropping out of the race, which many of us did not believe, according to an in depth piece published by Politico and another from the New York Times.

Here's how at least they're saying it all went down. I'm coming to this with a healthy dose of skepticism. I think you should do pieces of this feel like a manipulation.

Here's what they are saying.

And this is obviously from White House sources too political in the Times. On Saturday, Mister Biden summoned close advisors Steve Ricketti and Mike Donnellan to his Delaware beach home where they socially distance from the president, supposedly because of his Covid to help craft his exit strategy. These are his closest aides. Remember the White House told us on Wednesday Mister Biden is suffering with COVID Okay.

That same night, video showed Mister Biden appearing to need physical assistance to even get into his waiting motorcade. Can you see this? Try to look. We spotlighted it, but it's alarming. This does not look like Covid.

This looks like somebody I don't know. He can barely get into a car.

Look at this.

Extremely fragile, slow, rigid.

It's hard to see in the dark but you can see a bit.

He is not in good shape and since then we haven't seen him. It looks like his security detail actually has to move his legs for him into the suv. The president was whisked off to Delaware to isolate has not been seen since. Comes the paper statement. I'm out. The New York Times says Donalin helped craft the statement. The other guy Ricketti focused on next steps like when to inform staffers, most of whom were kept in the dark, so they say. In fact, as of late Sunday morning, few knew about it. The first to hear the truth outside of that small circle were the vice president, the White House chief of staff, and the Biden campaign manager, who we played for you over the weekend, saying he's in it for the long haul. And then we played you, the DeSantis and the haley. Soundbite saying, we're in it for the long haul. Right before they dropped out, each of those members I just mentioned reportedly received calls directly from the president. That's what they say. Then, just 1 minute before the news broke, President Biden reportedly told other advisors, including Anita Dunn, who manages comms for him. Next came the post on x and the letter. That leaves many questions. First, the thing does not include the official White House seal. It's not on White House stationery. It simply says Joseph R. Barden, R. Biden junior, at the top. Why is that? Don't know. The letter reads, quote, I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as president for the remainder of my term.

There's no explanation for his decision, and there's no endorsement of his vice president.

Curiously, many are questioning if the signature at the bottom of this letter even belongs to the president. Did he actually sign this letter? Under his name is an underline, which he apparently never does.

And it appears that the name Biden has an s at the end. The Bidens, it looks like Joseph R. Biden's.

It's unlike anything we've ever seen from Joe Biden. On the screen here, you can see a sample of prior signatures from the president. There's no underline, and he doesn't use an s at the end. Now, I will tell you, the way he signs his name. Maybe we get that name back up, you guys, where it's just a signature with a j.

If you're going to sign something on behalf of your husband, for example, you do a line, you do this in the law, you do a line and you say, like, for Joe Biden.

That's how you would sign it. Like, if I were going to sign it for him, for Joe Biden, I do a line to show it wasn't actually Joe Biden. And maybe the s is meant to connote it's from both of them.

You know, Joe and Jill.

I've got a lot of questions about this myself. Why is there an s? I did go back personally to look at his other signatures just to see if that's just the way his end looks and there looks like there's an s at the end of it. That, no, that's not the case. I don't know what the s is doing there. I do think we deserve answers. I'm not going full conspiracy theory on you. I just, why is that? Why haven't we seen him? Why isn't it on White House stationery? Why does it have an s at the end? And why is it an underlying when there never is? What's, what's happening? Is he okay?

There are some concerning statements coming out from his brother about how on a selfish basis, he's looking forward to spending whatever time the president has left with him. What does that mean? He's still our sitting president. He didn't resign the presidency. He's just not running for a second term.

Getting back to the messaging, Politico also reporting that the lack of endorsement for his vice president triggered a flurry of panic, text messages and calls. So 27 minutes after the initial message, that statement, we just went over Joe Biden's ex account again, posted another tweet clarifying that he was backing Miss Harris, offering her his, quote, full support and endorsement to be the nominee. A short time ago, she made her first public appearance at the White House.

Kamala Harris
Our President Joe Biden wanted to be here today. He is feeling much better and recovering fast, and he looks forward to getting back on the road. And I wanted to say a few words about our president.

Joe Biden's legacy of accomplishment over the past three years is unmatched in modern history.

In one term, he has already. Yes, you may clap.

In one term, he has already surpassed the legacy of most presidents who have served two terms in office.

And I first came to know President Biden through his son, Beau. We worked together as attorneys general in our states, and back then, Beau would often tell me stories about his dad.

He would talk about the kind of father and the kind of father, you.

Megyn Kelly
Get the gist, it goes off on a personal anecdote. But there she is saying lovely things about the president. He's my hero. He's a hero. And that's what we're hearing all over the media today.

So many questions still unanswered. In fact, one of my next guests just wrote that this is the era of the Pinot or pinel, the president in name only. That's how it's starting to feel. Joining me now are friends from National Review. Charles CW Cook is a senior writer and host of the Charles CW Cook podcast. And Jim Garrity is a senior political correspondent and author of the new book dueling six demons, a great thriller just in time for summer.

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megan, Charlie, Jim, welcome back to the show. Jim, I'll start with you because you wrote that, I guess it should be pine o, right? Rhymes with rhino, republican in name only, pineapple, I guess. Yeah.

Charles CW Cook
Look, this started out as, wow, this is really weird. By the time we got up this morning and there was no on camera statement, there was no taped statement, there was no radio address.

It does not make any sense for both. The president's doctor, 45 minutes before the announcement, puts out a statement saying, the president's recovering. Great blood oxygen level is what it should be. All his vitals look fine. He's doing fine. Also, you can't see him. You're not allowed to see him at all. And then Kamala Harris comes out and says, oh, he's recovering terrific. But you don't see him. We didn't even get a picture of him signing this document. So it really feels like this morning the range of outcomes are he's got Covid and his voice is just wrecked. And you just, you know, his voice was already kind of weak and he often would get this kind of raspy whisper. So maybe it's really just that that's the best case scenario. The worst case scenario. Megan, by the way, Charlie, good to see you. This sense of like, is he conscious right now?

Is he, you know, bedridden? Is, does he look so sick? And the other thing in the back of my mind is like, well, first of all, I want to point out, so I was at the republican convention last week, rational people, people who are not conspiracy theorists, people who are not prone to hyperbole. When the report came out, oh, the president's got Covid in the mainstream media. Were not. Oh, okay, he's got Covid. They were like, hmm, do you think that's Covid? Do you think that's something else? Do you think they're using this as an excuse that speculation was going around not just in us crazy right winger circles, but elsewhere? And then just second, like, you know, if he's well, why can't we see him? Why can't we hear? Why can't we get a picture of him?

And then you mentioned the comment from Frank Biden. I I kind of want to say we've always thought Biden was too old to serve a second term. Signs have been obvious. But I think really, this is now getting into a kind of a really chilling and unnerving tone to all of this, that we really should be seeing the president by now.

Megyn Kelly
This is getting even more scandalous, Charles, because he is the sitting president. This would be bad enough if he had announced he was stepping down from his second term bid and the presidency and we weren't seeing him. People would have questions, where is he? Why isn't there at least a still shot? All of that is traditional, not for an announcement like this. But when the president's issuing a large paper statement or something, they'll, they'll often show him signing a legislation. They'll just show you at least video of him.

But he's the sitting commander in chief, right? He still does have the nuclear football.

So where is he? And how long could they possibly keep him out of public sight?

Jim Garrity
Speaker one, I find this very weird, too. You know, Megan, I'm an anti conspiracy theorist. I'm a skeptic.

Megyn Kelly
I think. I think the three of us might be the last three saying President Trump lost the 2020 election.

We are very slow to jump on, you know, popular beliefs just because they're popular. So, yes, for us three to be saying this is weird tells people something.

Jim Garrity
Right? It's weird. And President Trump did lose the 2020 election. And she's saying, and you throw up a conspiracy theory and I will knock it down.

But this is odd. Now, again, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, as Jim says. It could just be that he really is sick and seems feeble and doesn't want to be seen. But the thing that is particularly bizarre about this, from my perspective, is that there hasn't been anything, there hasn't been a photograph that wouldn't be affected by his voice. There hasn't even been a TikTok in not the app run by the Chinese Communist Party. I mean, a moment by moment account in the newspaper of how this went down. This note was released on twitter without his staff.

No, they were surprised by it. So all of the usual coverage that we would expect to see has been missing. And it does make you wonder, I mean, look, it is not new for the White House or the press to cover up presidents who are in dire straits.

This happened with Woodrow Wilson in the last year of his second term. It happened with Franklin Roosevelt. There's better reason for that one, I think, because we were engaged in a world war. But nevertheless, his health was covered up. Many of Kennedys health problems and indeed his dalliances with women who were not his wife were covered up by the press. In Britain, Winston Churchill had a stroke and was essentially incapacitated for six months. And the press hit that.

So it's not beyond the reasonable thoughts of reasonable people to wonder whether the White House and the press might for 24 hours be trying to hide Biden's condition. And I've had the same thoughts as Jim. I mean, perhaps it's that he has really bad Covid, but perhaps he's had a stroke. I mean, probably is on a ventilator.

It would be good to know, because this is about more than just the election. Now, the Democrats have only cared about this because of the election. The reason that he was kicked out, he's not a wonderful, selfless man. He was kicked out. Nancy Pelosi made it clear what would happen to him.

The reason he was kicked out was because he was losing and losing badly. The midwest was gone, and he was losing in states such as New Hampshire and New Mexico and Virginia, which you just don't want to do to Donald Trump, of all people. But he's still the president. And because he's still the president, not only does it matter as you outlined, but actually as voters, as citizens, we do have a right to know this. We don't have a right to know the internal machinations of the Democratic Party. It's a semi private institution. We do have a right to know whether the president is able to be photographed or filmed saying he's dropping out.

Megyn Kelly
That's absolutely right. Jim points out in a great piece on National Review online today as well. And National Review.com dot political is reporting the White House chief of staff, rather than Biden himself, informed the cabinet of the decision.

So, I mean, he can't make phone calls. That's not what. Like, is he dying of COVID What's. I thought Paxlovid would solve this.

Charles CW Cook
So before I go any further, I want to point out that as important as what you do, Megan, and what Charlie does, nothing. Nothing we do is as important as the presidency. But if for some reason we couldn't continue doing our jobs, we would want to tell our readers and our listeners, hey, here's what's going on, and I'm sorry, I'd like to be able to continue.

That letter had one paragraph that just said it's best for me to focus on my duties as president right now. No explanation of. This is a health issue. No explanation of. My advisors have come to me and said there's no path to victory in the general election, no path that, like, it's time for me to pass. Like it just, it's just there. It's just two sentences in it. And I will tell you more later. And we're coming up probably by the end of this program, we'll hit 24 hours where not only have we not seen the president, there's just nothing further. And I'm just saying, if you're president, wouldn't you want to tell the people? Wouldn't you want to say, my fellow Americans, it has been my greatest honor to be your president, but that time is coming to an end. And here's why. Lyndon Johnson did it from the Oval Office. This is completely weird, just because it just, and the other thing, one or two people said to me, Jim, it's the most bitter pill he's ever had to swallow. And he's so upset and he's so frustrated. He just can't look at anybody. And that's why he's not doing it. Well, you're the president. Like you.

Megyn Kelly
Jim froze. But we'll try to unfreeze him. We have magical defrosting abilities, which we will spray on Jim and we will bring him back while we talk to Charlie. But wait, let me just point this out. Jolly.

This is also from Jim's piece this morning. He's citing the news about Frank Biden, the president's younger brother, in that statement that I just read, that I just paraphrased. The actual statement is I'm incredibly proud of my brother. He said this to CB's news selfishly. I will have him back to enjoy whatever time we have left. He's a genuine hero. Again, this is the younger brother. Whatever time we have left. And Jim goes on to write as follows.

The president's brother was just, was then asked whether he felt the president's overall health and vitality played a role in the decision. And he answered, in my humble opinion, absolutely. So his health, of course, did play a role. Oh, look, my. My defrosting abilities work on Jim the same way they work when I make the dinner in the microwave. Go ahead, Jim Garrity.

Charles CW Cook
Megan. Charlie, I'm sorry. I just froze. Like Biden at a white house of rent. I just kind of suddenly couldn't move.

I guess in light of that, I really shouldn't joke about his health condition, but, yeah, just kind of to wrap up my point that, like, the fact that Biden isn't out there to tell us when you kind of figure he'd want to is another sign that something is very wrong and we're not getting told the whole story.

Megyn Kelly
Okay, so here's where I wanted to go with it. Charlie. You guys are old enough. At least Jim is. And I think you're old enough for this reference. Charlie.

I've been mentioning it the past couple of days. I finally pulled a clip.

It was a movie called Dave, and it starred Kevin Klein and Sigourney Weaver. And the plot of Dave is that the president has a stroke and is incapacitated. And rather than being honest about that and transferring power to the vice president, his staff hires a lookalike, who, also played by Kevin Klein, is a dead ringer for the actual president and convinces him it's in the best interests of the country for him to step in and pretend to be the president. Not even the first lady is let in on the secret.

And I really have to wonder whether something not too far from this scene is happening right now. Watch.

Charles CW Cook
The reason we invited you here tonight is because something has happened to the president. It's actually kind of serious. Dave.

I'm afraid the president's not in very good shape.

Dave Rubin
Will he be all right?

Charles CW Cook
Oh, yeah, probably. We think so, yes.

Oh, Dave.

Sometimes we need our friends and even our enemies to feel safe and secure. We need them to feel like. Like they can go to bed at night knowing that President Mitchell is fully in control.

What about the vice president? Vice president?

We didn't want to have to tell you this, Dave, but the vice president is mentally unbalanced.

Megyn Kelly
Dave.

Charles CW Cook
The country is sick, and you're gonna get it to the hospital.

Megyn Kelly
I mean, hello. That. That literally could have happened on Sunday morning, as far as we know. Not what they look alike, but the rope a dope, right where they're.

They're doing what they think is in the best interest for the country, Charlie, he's got to step aside. But we really have no idea whether he's fully functioning physically or mentally behind closed doors.

Jim Garrity
Yeah, I hope that's not happening. I have seen that movie, and it ends with them contriving the most insanely left wing set of policies that you've ever heard of. I mean, policies that Bernie Sanders would say, wow, that's a bit far. So let's hope that we're not headed towards that conclusion. I think he gets Charles Grodin to come in, and he does the books.

Megyn Kelly
That's his buddy, who's his accountant, and he comes in and does the White.

Jim Garrity
House, and they realize, because, of course, the budget couldn't be balanced for years by Congress or other presidents, but his accountant buddy comes in and just works it out. It's just classic Hollywood. But no, no, I mean, look, the other reason that it is important for this to be resolved by the White House is that there will be a lot of people out there who are irresponsible, who will start making hay of this and spreading conspiracy theories, not saying, hey, this looks a bit weird, this should be addressed, but spreading actual conspiracy theories.

And we live in a real and hostile world in which there are people who wish the United States harm and wish our allies harm. And you can't have this for too long, not knowing where the president of the United States is. And I really don't say that, uh, to be mawkish, um, the system under which we live vests power in one person.

It does not say, as many tried before Biden dropped out, uh, that you elect as a citizen a team. A team does not stand in front of the chief justice and take the oath of office. A team does not sign legislation. A team is not commander in chief.

We hear so much about the importance of democracy as we should.

Well, this is a fundamentally small d democratic question. Is the person who was elected, that was Joe Biden, to execute the powers vested in the office, able to do it? And again, as somebody who is really a skeptic of pretty much every conspiracy theory, I I'm with Jim. I think the events of the last 24 hours have been extremely weird. And it would be a real public service even to put out a 22nd video on Twitter with eight jump cuts, if you need to, that just says, hi, look, I'm Joe Biden, and I've decided not to run. And I'm sick with COVID and I'll be back at my job tomorrow. But they haven't done it. Instead, they've cleared his schedule. There's nothing on his schedule. It says tomorrow. Nothing. And then it says, to be continued.

The only person we've heard from is Kamala Harris. The Democratic Party is speaking on his behalf. And then Harris said something weird, too. She said, well, the president wishes he could be here. That's. Again, that just sounds so off. So, yeah, this is a problem.

Megyn Kelly
The official explanation, at least in Politico, which clearly, you know, they say they had conversations with 22 people, granted anonymity to discuss sensitive matters, is that these two top aides, as I said in the intro, Donalyn and the other guy went to see Biden and that they presented damning new information in a meeting that would hasten the end of Biden's political career. These were updates on fundraising. We know that it had almost stopped, but at least they write slowed considerably.

And they carried the campaign's own polls, which came back this week and showed the path to victory in November was gone.

In particular, battleground polling, which others around the president reportedly believed these two guys were withholding from Biden up until this weekend.

I don't believe it, Jim. I'm not sure. That just doesn't sound right. They were.

Charles CW Cook
Yeah.

Megyn Kelly
Joe Biden didn't know what the battleground polls were up until Saturday when he, the two aides finally talked him into it. You know, I know Pelosi was saying, we can do this the nice way, we can do this the rough way. And I, you know, this is kind of like a walk down the Hollywood walk of Fame. But here's what I actually think happened. I think that he was threatened with something else. They know something else about Joe Biden, Pelosi or somebody else, and it's probably related to health, and they were going to let him have it. I mentioned this yesterday in our special right after the news broke. But it took me back to this scene in the godfather when Frank Pantangeli was going to turn on Michael Corleone and he was ready to testify at the Senate hearing. But then they dragged in his uncle from Italy and he knew it was going to happen to his family if he actually did. And he did a 180. Here's some of that here and now under oath.

Charles CW Cook
Were you at any time a member.

Jim Garrity
Of a crime organization headed by Michael Corleone? I don't know nothing about that.

Oh.

Megyn Kelly
I was in the olive oil business with his father, but that was a long time ago. That's all.

Jim Garrity
We have a sworn affidavit we haven't.

Dave Rubin
Your sworn affidavit that you murdered on.

Megyn Kelly
The orders of Michael Corleone.

Jim Garrity
Do you deny this confession? And do you realize what will happen.

Dave Rubin
As a result of your denial?

Megyn Kelly
Look, the FBI guys, they promised me a deal, so I made up a lot of stuff about Michael Corleone because that's what they wanted.

But it was all lies, everything.

So they threatened him, the mob, and he wound up giving them what they wanted, which was not to say the truth. And I really think Nancy Pelosi pulled a Don Corleone on Joe Biden. And the question I have today is, what did she have? What was it? What was the pain? And I don't believe it was polls or public statements about the polls, which we were all seeing anyway.

Charles CW Cook
Yeah, that's, that is the first point, Megan, that, like, it's very hard to believe. Oh, the fundraising dried up. The fundraising dried up right after the debate. That was like three going on four weeks ago.

That's very hard to believe that. Oh, we just realized the fundraising was bad. The polling's been bad for three weeks. And it's very hard to believe that their internals could be dramatically different from that. By the way, let us point out that not just Joe Biden, but a whole bunch of left of center commentators insisted that since the debate, there had not been any significant drop. And, oh, it's basically a tie. It's essentially tied. Oh, look at this one poll. The 538 model still has Biden ahead. All this kind of stuff we can now determine. That was all nonsense, that was all spin, that was all trying to gaslight you and say to keep democratic morale up. Democrats saw the same stage, saw the same debate. Everybody else did. And I think everybody knew at the end of that debate that the odds of Joe Biden getting a second term were, you know, infinitesimally small and that things were bad. The question, you know, you ask the issue about health, look, even during the basement campaign in 2020, people were saying, hey, we're not seeing very much of Joe Biden, but at least they had the excuse of, hey, he's in his late seventies. We don't want him out shaking a lot of hands. People are coughing and stuff like that.

But around Afghanistan, there was disastrous withdrawal. Joe Biden did not appear in public for five days, which was, again, a little weird. When Biden did come out and make public appearances after the disastrous withdrawal, he would make a short statement, probably about ten minutes reading from a teleprompter turn and take no questions. And that was another thing, which was unusual. Then when he finally sat down for an interview with George Stephanopoulos. We probably will remember this. That was four or five days ago, man. It was not a good interview that, you know, that Biden did not seem on top of it during a national crisis. And right around then I wrote a piece that I got a lot of grief for this entitled something is wrong with the president. Now, I didn't pretend to have any clairvoyance or sense, but like, the fact that he was nothing, out in front of cameras, answering questions, disappearing for long stretches, something's wrong. You know, and he's in his late seventies, eighties. The other thing I want to observe out of this is that, look, Biden had a bad debate and everybody kind of hoped and expected something better was going to happen. He did the Stephanopoulos interview. He did the lester Holt interview. He did the bet interview where he could not remember the name of Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin. Like, that's really bad.

Megyn Kelly
And so both, second time he forgot.

Charles CW Cook
Yeah, we're between, most of these are taped between ten and four, which are allegedly his good hours. Now, by the way, when I hear that, I'm sitting there thinking, God, what's he like when he's in the early morning? Or what's he like at evening? Like what, what happens when the White House situation room needs to have a meeting at nine in the evening? What's Biden like? And so my, this is, if you're saying, you know, did Pelosi come and say, hey, we'll spill the beans on your real health condition? You know, maybe Biden is, Biden has been a part time president in a lot of ways for a long time.

Presumably Pelosi is in the inner loop to know how, how little Biden can do the job as is. Maybe that's what was going to come out. I don't know. There was something, something changed dramatically in the last 24 hours.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah, that's right. And it wasn't the polls, wasn't the big reveal of the polls, which they've been keeping a secret from the sitting president. Go ahead, Charlie.

Jim Garrity
Well, I want to disagree a little bit with this premise. I suppose. I agree in part, disagree in part.

The events are odd, as we've all noted. And I agree that there probably wasn't some rabbit out of the hat revelation here that led to Biden saying, oh, okay, but I think we should not underestimate Joe Biden's ability and willingness to believe the nonsense that he has fed by partisans and sycophants, because it is that nonsense that has led to him being a terrible president. One of the things that I personally find distasteful to enraging is this fluffing that we're now seeing across the political world of Biden's record. Most consequential one term president of all time.

A wonderful, patriotic man.

First off, he had to be forced to step down. This was not George Washington resigning his commission or declining to run for a third term. This was a man who pushed it until, and we don't know what his condition is now. He was essentially on the floor.

This was not a proactive decision to protect democracy or whatever other fluff is being solved. Second, he's not a good president. He's been a terrible president. He is one of the worst presidents that I can think of, and the public knows it, which is why his approval rating is where it is, at the lowest ebb of any president in modern history. Now, the reason I mention this is that despite all of that, Joe Biden, right from day one, has allowed himself to be convinced of things that to most neutral observers, are preposterous. Right at the beginning, having come in on a marginal victory, 30,000 votes go the other way in swing states, and Trump's president again, the Democrats did much worse in the House than they expected.

And he had 50 50 Senate, which really should have been 51 49 Republican, but, of course, blew that election.

He was convinced by a bunch of left leaning historians that he was Franklin Roosevelt, that he was Lyndon Johnson, and then he tried to do it. He spent all year trying to spend $6 trillion. That was the aim. He ended up not being able to do that, although they did spend two or three, which led to inflation, which led to people hating him with a burning passion. If you look at some of the readouts and in some cases, leaks of the calls that he's had with governors and representatives and others within the democratic firmament in recent days, not his public pronouncements, what he has said to people in private. He seems honestly, genuinely, earnestly, fervently to believe that he is an indispensable man, that he put NATO back together, that no other president could have done any of the things that he has done. And I mention this just to say, although I agree with you, that there probably wasn't some slide deck that made him say, wow, okay, it's time to go. The climb that those who were trying to persuade him will have had to make must have been considerable, because he actually thinks it. He's not aware that he's a stopgap bridge mediocrity and always has been. He really thinks that he's a world historical figure and that has played into what's happened over the last month.

Megyn Kelly
He and his wife both seem to think that, and it is one of the questions still on the board, which is, did he make the decision or did she make the decision? Really, the only reason I say about Jill is because that signature is weird and you can do a slashy and then your, you know the person's name.

That wouldn't be unusual. I've seen it many times and I wonder if it was a sleight of hand where I can't imagine she would resign him from his second term without his consent. That seems like crazy talk, but I we've been lied to so much by this administration and this White House and in particular those two about his health. Anything's possible. I don't trust them. And I know, you know, obviously I'm not alone. Millions of people do not trust them. Republicans and Democrats alike have more than ample reason not to trust them. Okay, next up, I'm going to take a quick break, but I want to talk about, obviously it's going to be Kamala, but I want to talk about the odds of the Democrats sticking another knife in Joe Biden because it'll be easier for her to win if she's already the sitting president. Is the knifing done or is there more knifing to come? And then we'll talk about Charlie and his absolute love for Kamala Harrison, how he feels about this elevation.

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Kamala Harris
Remember Venn diagrams, those three circles, right? And then let's just see where they overlap. You will not be surprised because I have constructed a Venn diagram on this. Remember those three circles, how they overlap? I love venn diagrams, so I just do. Whenever you're dealing with conflict, pull out a Venn diagram. Right. And so you know the three circles, the television coverage of just yesterday, that's on top of everything else that we know and don't know yet based on what we've just been able to see, and because we've seen it or not doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but just limited to what we have seen.

Megyn Kelly
Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show. My guests today, Charles CW. Cook and Jim Garrity. And Charles CW. Cook was on to Kamala Harris for, you know, early on. This was a piece on national Review after she failed in her presidential biddennesse. Remember, she took on Joe Biden to actually get the presidency, never mind the vice presidency. That came later. And he concluded this piece on December 3, 2019, as follows.

Everything that is wrong with american politics is summed up in Kamala Harris. She's a weather vane, she's dishonest, she's a coward, she's condescending and she's a phony. She is the answer to no useful or virtuous question. She has nothing of value to offer America. Goodbye, bad luck. That's all, folks.

So you're saying there's a chance she's going to get your vote?

Jim Garrity
You know, that post, I think, is correct. Unfortunately, it came in the context of my saying good riddance from american politics, because at the time, she had flamed out spectacularly. Not only had she failed to make headway and would end up winning no primaries, but she was polling at 3% in California, which is her home state. 3%.

And so she disappeared. And I thought, well, that's good. We have now a great example of consequences for actions, but apparently not. She was resuscitated by Joe Biden and put in the VPN spot. And so I am now in the unenviable position of watching an election between my two favorite people in the world, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

I think this is my fault, Megan. I moved to America in 2011. Since then, I've done you guys no favors. Maybe I have to leave. But look, she is an awful, terrible person. And it's not just that her instincts are authoritarian, although they are, is that she actually doesn't believe in anything. If you look at last time she ran for president, she said on two separate occasions that she wanted to completely abolish private health insurance.

On the first occasion, she agreed with the proposition by putting up her hand, but the second time, she was asked about it on the stage directly, and she said, in this incredibly flippant way, yep, that's it. We've got to move on. It's got to go. Done. 150 million people have private health insurance, and she was just going to get rid of it. Well, this was not too popular, and she noticed. And so she subsequently said, I misunderstood the question.

No, you didn't. You didn't misunderstand the question. That's what you thought you had to say at that point. Because if you go back to the 2019 Democratic Party, support for single payer was a prerequisite until Biden won. And perversely enough, given the way he's governed, actually moved somewhat to the right.

She is a catastrophe. And my only question is whether or not the press is going to be able to turn her into something in a short space of time that will give her a good shot. I keep hearing skeptical Democrats saying, look, we don't have enough time to introduce her, but I think the opposite is true. I think the lack of time between now and the election is her greatest asset. If you gave her, instead of a Runway of 106 days, if you gave her 300 days, I think she'd be dead in the water.

Megyn Kelly
So on that point, Jim, there it's come to our attention. Taylor Lorenz of the Washington Post wrote this up a couple of weeks ago, but it's all over social media that these young lefties are trying to rebrand Kamala Harris's cringey moments as somehow cool.

The language being used is likable, oddball, funny, relatable moments online. She's just goofy. Quote a wine aunt, which I've never heard. She's like a wine aunt. It's fun. She's just a little goofy. And look at this, Jim. They actually put together a remix using this song called Brat, which I guess is pretty popular. A remix of Harris moments trying to make her seem just fun. Just fun. Watch a little bit of this.

Kamala Harris
You think you just fell out of a coconut tree.

You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.

Jim Garrity
I'm just living that life on dutch cult classic, but I still pop every time I track drops.

Megyn Kelly
You're jealous.

Jim Garrity
I'm just living.

Kamala Harris
Everything is in contact.

My mother used to. She would give us a hard time sometimes, and she would say to us, I don't know what's wrong with you young people.

You think you just fell out of a coconut tree.

You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you.

I love venn diagrams.

I really do. I love venn diagrams.

Charles CW Cook
Megan. If I were the Trump campaign, I would be running that in every swing state, in every commercial break possible just to say, yeah, yeah, Kamala Harris, she always seems slightly inebriated, um, as the slogan for 2024. Um, and maybe she is. Maybe she is a fun person. I don't know if that's necessarily the preeminent quality that Americans are looking for in a commander in chief.

Megyn Kelly
And President Willie Brown seemed to think so.

Charles CW Cook
I wasn't going to go there. Uh, I make a comment about.

Megyn Kelly
There's a debate. There's a debate about. On this on Twitter right now about whether her sleeping with Willie Brown when she was an up and coming, inspiring politician in San Francisco is fair game. It's fair game.

It's a. It's part of a pattern of her ascending to positions that she does not deserve based on merit for other reasons. First, she slept with this guy, Willie Brown, who was this extremely popular, powerful congressman out in California in the assembly out there, went on to become the speaker out there, and he put her in two different positions that she did nothing deserve. When she was only 29 or 30. He was 60 already that affair is Sus. And she was making the equivalent of 130 grand a year by today's money for meeting twice a month for these medical boards in another position for which she had zero qualifications. That's. He was trying to lay the road for her political career. He admitted that he's the one who helped her win the role as Daevdev, and she was sleeping with him. I'm sorry. It's fair game. Sorry, Jim. Go ahead.

Charles CW Cook
No, Megan, let's just agree to say she climbed the greasy pole of California politics.

Megyn Kelly
Takes a.

Charles CW Cook
By the way, I think you look at the story of Kamala Harris and you look at someone who, from the beginning of her career as an assistant DA to becoming really, till the moment she runs for president, it was one success after another. This was somebody who knew how to appeal to a democratic primary electorate in a place like San Francisco, and then to appeal to a democratic electorate as a whole, which is a whole bunch of liberal progressive Democrats. Right? It is based, surviving and rising to the top in California politics, besides any extracurricular activities, is appealing to all the liberal interest groups. You got to take care of the unions. You got to take care of Hollywood, you got to take care of Silicon Valley, you got to take care of the environmentalists, but it's like the stations of the cross. But if you take care of everybody, then you get the nomination and you cruise to victory in the general election, that does not prepare you to win the Iowa caucuses. That does not prepare you to win New Hampshire or South Carolina or any of these other states that are just politically and culturally dramatically different to that. And I kind of feel like even in that first debate, when she calls Joe Biden racist, things are going well for her right up until the moment Tulsi Gabbard guts her like a yemenite by pointing out the contradictions in her prosecution record and points out, you laughed on a radio interview about smoking marijuana, but you prosecuted this many thousand people for marijuana possession back when you were a prosecutor.

And it just goes through all the contradiction. And I think Kamala Harris never came back from that. And I think everything from the nervous laugh to the perception that she always feels like she's giving a book report on a book she didn't read, the phrases she keeps going, the haiku hallmark card stuff. I think it's all nervousness. I think she stepped up and minds in that 2020 campaign. It all came crashing down. And I'm going to quote Charlie back to Charlie, which I think is the ultimate compliment you can give somebody where he points out that Joe Biden only became president because Barack Obama picked him off the scrapheap of politics in the summer of 2008. And let's face it, most of us saw him as assassination insurance. The idea of, well, nobody's going to take a shot at Obama if Biden's going to be a heartbeat away. And then Kamala Harris, as you point out, crashed and burned in that 2020 presidential campaign. And then because Joe Biden had promised he was going to pick an African American and promised he was going to pick a woman, there weren't that many options, and he picked her, which I think, you know, we can all kind of agree did not work. And the fact that he chose to run for a second term was an ipso facto declaration that he didn't think she could beat Donald Trump one on one in the general election. And yet here we are.

Megyn Kelly
There's a, there's a very interesting Axios piece out of, um, that says Biden doubted Harris's election chances, that he hesitated to drop his reelection campaign, in part because he and his senior advisers worried about her. They did not think she was up to the task of taking on Trump, according to three Biden aides familiar with recent talks. According to the 2020 campaign, he, his aides recall watching Harris interrogate her, then chief of staff Kareem Jean Pierre, to the point that it made others uncomfortable.

I'll defend Kamala Harris on that. That's, that's off. That's easy to do. I mean, you ask for anything, you.

Charles CW Cook
Watch any White House briefing, and, yeah, that looks like more of the same. That's.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah, I mean, you. She thinks the Nobel prize is the Noble prize. She said it repeatedly. The noble. It's not the Noble prize.

So, yeah, that would grow uncomfortable quickly.

They said she wasn't a team player. She straight, she stayed away from any task with risk. And then there's this nugget. In April 2022, Harris was the guest for a dinner at DC News mogul David Bradley's home, a salon style event Bradley hosts with Washington journalists and newsmakers. Harris's anxiety about the dinner was such that her staff held a mock dinner beforehand, a mock dinner beforehand with staffers playing participants, according to two people familiar with the event. Harris A's even considered including wine in the mock preponderance so Harris could practice with a glass or two. They ultimately decided against it.

I, I'm horrified by this story.

They did hold the mock dinner. They just didn't have the wine.

Jim, this is exactly what you're talking about that. She's awkward, she's uncomfortable. She's socially not adept, and we can see all that.

Charles CW Cook
Yeah. And so the first time I ever saw Kamala Harris was in 2012 at the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte. She was one of the early speakers on one of the early nights. She was not the star. It was kind of a. But she was the California attorney general then, and she was kind of seen as a rising star. And I remember it was only like five to ten minutes worth of remarks. But I remember watching, saying, oh, you know, dang it. Here comes the next great Democrat.

Here comes the female Obama. Relatively young, relatively charismatic, relatively attractive, and she's from California. She's got a lot. She's going to be the next. You know, this is going to be really tough. Clearly, she had, like, five to ten minutes worth of material and that. But it's interesting to see somebody who was once so self assured.

Now sex seems to second guess herself and be very nervous in these things, terrified of saying the wrong thing and then often ending up saying the wrong thing. Like, oh, I've been to the border when she had nothing.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah. And I've never been to Europe.

Charles CW Cook
Yeah.

Megyn Kelly
I do want to talk about Charlie's reasons for disliking her, because not only was there the thing about moving us all off of private insurance, just with her magic wand, she wants to take away your health insurance and make you go on the government dole, but she also wants to take away guns. She's made that very clear. She was a co sponsor of the Green New Deal.

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Kamala Harris
Running for president of the United States and we have states and there you about it.

States should be united and all the states now.

Well, they have a president to preside over them.

Oh, that's good.

Megyn Kelly
I have to say.

Well done by Estee Palti, who is my new favorite twitter follow with her spot on Kamala Harris imitations. Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show. My guests are national reviews, Charles CW Cook and Jim Garrity. I mean, on the bright side, Kamala Harris has the very real shot of making the Saturday night shows funny again. The late night shows funny again. If only they will take the gift that is her content and use it. What's less funny, Charlie, are the reasons that led you to loathe her.

Grabian put together a list as sort of a butted soundbite of some of her more controversial stances, some of which you outlined a moment ago.

We're going to play just part of it, but here's a bit saad eleven.

Kamala Harris
So I decided I was going to start prosecuting parents for truancy. What else do we know about this population, 18 through 24?

They are stupid. They make really bad decisions.

Megyn Kelly
Do you believe that Americans should have.

Dave Rubin
The right to vote at age 16.

Kamala Harris
I'm really interested in having that conversation.

Jim Garrity
Convicted in prison, like the Boston Marathon.

Dave Rubin
Bomber on death row, people who are convicted of sexual assault, they should be able to vote.

Kamala Harris
I think we should have that conversation.

Dave Rubin
She thinks we should do away with the electoral college.

Megyn Kelly
Is that.

Jim Garrity
Do you agree with that?

Kamala Harris
I think that it's. I'm open to the discussion. I am prepared to get rid of the filibuster to pass a green new deal. But would you support changing the dietary guidelines?

Charles CW Cook
Yes.

Megyn Kelly
You know, the food parenthood?

Charles CW Cook
Yes.

Megyn Kelly
To reduce red meat specifically?

Kamala Harris
Yes, I would.

Megyn Kelly
So would you ban offshore drilling?

Charles CW Cook
Yes.

Megyn Kelly
Do you ban plastic straws?

Kamala Harris
I think we should.

Dave Rubin
Assault weapons that are already in circulation. What do you do about those?

Kamala Harris
We have to have a buyback program, and I support a mandatory buyback program.

Megyn Kelly
Mandatory, Charles, take it from there.

Jim Garrity
Well, I think there's three things. I divide those into three groups. The first one is, as I said earlier, that she doesn't believe in anything at root. And so that was her stock phrase, was, I think we should have that conversation. There was almost nothing you could say to her at a certain point in 2019. That wouldn't lead her to say, we should have that conversation. You could say to her, do you think that we should nuke California, where you live? And she would say, I think we should have that conversation. So she's a coward. That's the first part.

The second thing is that she's flippanthouse.

Every affirmative answer she gave there was flippant.

The health insurance answer I mentioned was not within that. But she was flippant when she said it. Yeah, move on. Do it. 150 million people off their restructure is six of the economy, and your answer is, sure, why not? Let's do it. As if you've decided to leave the pizza place that you're at and go somewhere else because the line's too long. And then there's the side that I worry about more than any other, which is that despite not believing in anything, perhaps because she doesn't believe in anything, she's an authoritarian.

She said we should have a mandatory buyback program for assault weapons. Well, let's decode both of those euphemisms. Assault weapon is standard modern sporting rifle. There's 25 million of them in circulation. The most popular rifle in the country. More popular than the Ford f 150.

That's assault weapon.

Mandatory buyback.

Well, buy back. What? Buying it back from me. The government didn't own it. What that means is confiscation with some.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah, it's not for sale.

Jim Garrity
Right. So they're going to come to my house and I have 13 guns and they're going to make me give over four of them and they will give me some money for it. But I don't want to do that. And they're going to do that with 25 million guns, probably more.

That is not the sort of answer where you go. Yeah, sure. Nor is plastic straws, although it's less important. Another thing missing from that, but related in this third category was the famous exchange that she had with Joe Biden in 2019 on the debate stage, where he said he wanted to ban so called assault weapons and he said it had to go through Congress. And she said, no, I would just do it by executive order. And when he said, well, you can't do that, we have a constitution, I think it's a direct quote. I think he literally said, we have a constitution. He seems to have forgotten about that. Since she said, we need a bigger imagination.

You need to, as she might put it, be unburdened by what has gone before. That is a horrible, horrible, horrible thing for somebody who wants to take an oath to the Constitution and be the chief executive of the federal government to say, and look, I am, and I have been on this show, certainly have been at National Review, an outspoken critic of when Donald Trump has talked like that. And I have said that it doesn't matter whether he actually achieves it or not. I don't want people who are seeking the office held by George Washington and Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan to talk like that. Well, I'm afraid the same goes for Kamala Harris. Time and time and time again, she has talked about the presidency as if it were a dictatorship, as if it has all of this secret power that other people just can't be bothered to use. She did it with gun control more recently where she said that if Congress won't act in her first hundred days, she will. No, you won't. That's not how Congress works. There's not this free floating power out there that if Congress doesn't take, like, a squatter can come in and it can sit on it and say, it's mine now. No, the answer is no. And she does this a lot. So she's a horrible, horrible, you see, you've got me going now. She's a horrible combination of nihilistic, flippant, and authoritarian. She is basically the nightmare candidate for me.

There's five years of hating her now, and I have not slowed down one bit.

Megyn Kelly
She just keeps giving you new reasons. So none of that is to completely rule her out, Jim. I mean, I understand that even the Democrats aren't in love with Kamala Harris. She has a 38% approval rating, but the Democrat machine is formidable. They love abortion and she's been the most outspoken member of the administration on abortion rights. Abortion rights. You know, that's the reason she flew down when those Tennessee lawmakers were throwing a fit to put herself right. The square in the center of that, the first sitting vice president to visit Planned Parenthood. That's been a very good issue for Democrats the past couple of election cycles, though. It's not like the voters don't understand Joe Biden's more pro choice than the Republican Party is. And they were still getting ready to vote him out from the look of the polls. In any event, hate to rule her out right now because as we've just discussed, a short Runway for her may be better.

And they're so relieved and feeling somewhat excited now for the first time in months. So how does, how would you see this next couple of months playing out of.

Charles CW Cook
But it's been a really rough episode of the Megyn Kelly show for Kamala Harris. So I just want to take one moment to say, indeed, some young people are stupid and some of them do make bad decisions, as she said in that montage. I'll give you a little credit for that one, Madam vice president.

Megyn Kelly
They do.

Charles CW Cook
I think it's going to take like two weeks before I feel like the polling will be a good measure because I think the american electorate needs time to digest this.

We just saw that short speech from her today. At some point, I hope we're going to hear from the president. And then at some point we're going to hear from Vice President Harris making an address to the country and kind of saying, hi, I'm your new democratic nominee.

But let's point out that if Democrats really wanted to, they could find some way they could leave a horse's head in her bed or something like that, since we're using godfather metaphors and have Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro, governor of Michigan, governor of Pennsylvania, and then you've probably locked up two of the three blue wall states and you probably would feel pretty good about your odds in that scenario. But Democrats don't want to go with that. They want to stick with Kamala Harris.

I think she gives them a better chance than they would have had, the Democrats would have had with Joe Biden, which is not to say she is a great candidate. She brings her own flaws, which we've talked about copiously. But you know what she can do?

She can campaign.

She can work weekends. She doesn't have to spend every weekend at the, she can do morning events. She could do late events. She could do, you know, she can speak off a teleprompter. She's going to have some bad moments. She's going to have some, you know, haiku moments. But she could do basic campaigning that the typical, that the Joe Biden was proving he just could not do anything.

Megyn Kelly
Well, let me ask you this, Garrity. Let me ask you this. What are the odds of the Democrats understanding what we understand, which is, yeah, she can do those things, but she's weak. She is weak. She is not a strong candidate going into this, but she'd be stronger if she were the sitting president. And so knife in the back took out Joe Biden. Maybe knife in the front removes him from the presidency. And maybe, maybe they tested for more than just Covid when he went last week. And now we've come to the realization that he's got to step down because of x, y, whatever the diagnosis is, because that whatever blackmail material there was to make him step down from second term could still be used. I mean, this is not a nice group of people. We've seen that.

And they have absolutely no loyalty to Joe Biden that we have to give him. Right. He's been reportedly very angry at Schumer, Pelosi, Hakeem Jeffries, all these people behind closed doors who completely knifed him just as soon as they could. No loyalty. So what's to stop them from doing again? Because wouldn't she do better if she were the sitting president in this race?

Charles CW Cook
Yeah. First of all, Megan, can we put out the weirdness of being in the position of thinking that Kamala Harris is terrible, that I don't want to see her elected and also simultaneously believing she should be taking the oath of office this afternoon?

Megyn Kelly
Same, Jim, same thing.

Charles CW Cook
Right. You know, like, she's terrible. But on the other hand, she is, she seems to be mentally all there, close enough, and Biden isn't. We don't see Biden.

Jim Garrity
Right.

Charles CW Cook
So by that standard, she should be the commander in chief right now.

And it's conceivable that people around. Yeah, people around Biden will draw that same conclusion.

But I think being president for six months would be an advantage. It would say, this is what I can do. Look, entirely separate from Joe Biden being old and crotchety and possibly senile.

Biden has a bad record and it's kind of tough for Kamala Harris to completely separate herself from that. But she can at some point say, you know, I love Joe, but I'm going to do things a little bit differently than him, and I'm going to do x, y, and z instead of a, B and C. It's not a great. And again, if you're starting out with Whitmer and Shapiro or any other two Democrats, you have a better chance of saying we're the candidates of change. We're not the status quo.

But she could at least pull it off. If she becomes president, she can immediately take some actions. That is, we're going to restart building border wall stuff. Like, these are not what she would want to do, but these are things she could do to say, hey, President Kamala Harris is not going to be like the President Joe Biden you didn't like. And maybe things will be changing. None of these are great options for the Democrats, but I think they're better than what they had up 48 hours ago. And again, she's younger, she should help with women. She should help with minorities. Why, I would see states like Virginia, New Mexico, New Hampshire, not minority men.

No, no. She's going to repel a certain chunk of voters as well.

But I think that, again, she seems loopy, not senile.

Believe it or not, that's an improvement.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah, that's all true.

I can't help feeling, especially given this election cycle, you guys, like, look what's happened in the past three weeks. May I remind you, the debate was less than a month ago. We had this disastrous debate. We saw the president's loss of his mental faculties before our very eyes. We had a presidential assassination attempt, and they actually did shoot President Trump.

Then we saw this, the sitting president step down, maybe through Twitter. So, I mean, somebody on Twitter yesterday posted, in order for there to be a true October surprise this year, it would have to be actual space aliens coming down. Like, how much more could they raise the stakes? Like, the amount of news that's coming at us. So my point is, don't rule anything out. We could be in for yet another wallop where Joe Biden steps down from the presidency. They elevate her. Before you guys go, I have to ask you about the Secret Service hearing that's taking place on Capitol Hill right now. It's pretty extraordinary, pretty dramatic. What's happening. So the head of the secret service, Kim Cheadle, is before the House and she is man on the hot seat. This is very rare, but both parties are pummeling her. Republicans and Democrats are both outraged over this attempted assassination. It was obviously a dare election and she's provided so few answers. She's been irritatingly closed lipped about the whole thing. So that continued today.

She wouldn't say definitively if the gunman acted alone. She wouldn't say if he placed the gun on the roof before firing, because that's one of the questions. How did the gun get up there? She wouldn't reveal why the former president had been allowed on the stage, given the number of times that the gunman had been spotted over and over and over and even deemed suspicious. That's one of the questions everybody's asking. Why would you allow President Trump to go out there when you knew there was a threat you hadn't yet contained? Okay. But she did reveal, no one's been fired. That's par for the course for this administration. No one's been disciplined. Why hasn't she resigned?

And when she was asked when, when will we get answers on all these important questions? They're out there right now campaigning. Is the system broken? What's been changed? Who's been fired? She says, oh, maybe we'll get some answers in 60 days.

So this is kind of crazy. Both the Dems and the Republicans doing an admiral job, admirable job of getting after her. And it culminated in this moment where Congresswoman Nancy mace of South Carolina finally lost it. Watch.

Kim Cheadle
Was this a colossal failure?

It was a failure. Yes or no? Was it a colossal failure, is the question, yes or no? No. I have admitted this is a terrible, this is a yes or no series of questions. Was this a colossal failure, yes or no? Yes. Would you say the fact that we had to issue a subpoena to get you to show up today as being transparent, yes or no? I have always been. Yes or no? You didn't want to answer the question. We had to issue a subpoena to get you to show up today. Okay. Would you say, leaking your opening statement to punch bowl news, Politico's playbook and Washington Post several hours before you sent it to this committee as being political, yes or no? I have no idea how my statement got out.

Well, that's bullshit. Has the secret Service provided this committee a complete list of all law enforcement personnel that were there that day? Have you done that? Have you provided a list to the oversight committee, yes or no? I'll have to get back to you on that. That is a no. You're full of shit today. You're just being completely dishonest.

Megyn Kelly
Well, she put it out there. Charles, checking the language, which we don't normally hear in congressional hearings, I share the sentiment. I also don't believe that it wasn't leaked. And it is incredibly frustrating to hear be a weak plus out with so few answers and zero resignations.

Jim Garrity
Yeah, and those, of course, are two separate questions. The details of what happened here matter enormously and the lack of specifics is infuriating.

But the lack of those specifics, in my view, is completely separate from the fact that she should have resigned. And if she didn't resign, she should have been fired. This is the part I find incomprehensible.

First off, she should have resigned. I don't understand how you don't resign. And in the 1980s, when the argentinian military invaded the Falkland Islands, the british secretary of defense resigned. It wasn't his fault. It wasn't as if he'd missed any intelligence. He just resigned because it was his job to stop that happening and he hadn't done it. But if he hadn't have resigned, Margaret Thatcher would have fired him. What is Joe Biden doing?

Even from a completely personally politically motivated sense, shouldn't he fire him? Is there anyone in America who would say, oh, my goodness, now Joe Biden has fired the director of the secret service who failed to protect Donald Trump? I'm not going to vote for the Democrats. It seems to me an easy win, and it hasn't happened. So there's two problems here. One is there should have been these reflexive resignations, and two is we're not getting information that is really important.

Megyn Kelly
It's really scary, Jim, because the, the Secret Service, we now find out, has been misleading us. You know, we saw over the weekend that, forgive me, Susan Crabtree of real clear politics. Their White House reporter was reporting. So was Dan Bongino, former secret Service guy himself, that Trump's security team had been denied repeatedly resources from the secret Service. And they, on the record, chastised Susan in particular and said absolutely false. And said to Dan Bongino, absolutely false. Mayorkas doubled down saying, that's absolutely false.

And now we know it was true.

Dan was right. Susan was right. The Secret Service was misleading us. They were incorrect at best. That's their new spin. New facts came to light. Well, if you didn't know fully what had been asked for and denied, you shouldn't have been calling others liars. But they did. And so we do know that the Trump team had been begging for additional resources. Time and time again. It had been denied. Not for this particular event. But in the past, so we don't trust them. Jim Garrity.

Charles CW Cook
So, Megan, before I go any further, can I, you know, you've been kind enough to mention my novel. If I wrote a novel in which the dishonest head of the secret service was named Cheadle, I think some readers would say, Jim, isn't that a little on the nose?

Come on. That's a little ridiculous. There also that the assassin was named crooks.

That's another one. Just a little.

So imagine how shocked all of us would be if in the days after the assassination was so clear just what a colossal failure. I don't think Nancy Mace is out of line for saying it was just a failure, just layer upon layer upon layer of failure.

And only by the grace of God in one inch did we not lose Donald Trump that day that if she had chosen to resign, how pleasantly surprised would all of us be? How shocked would we? We didn't see people resigning in the VA scandal. We didn't see people resigning in healthcare. Dot gov dot. We have a long string Afghanistan.

Trump during the debate went on this long rant and justified about Biden never fires anybody. Well, in the next debate with Kamala Harris, apparently he'll be able to say, I got shot and they didn't fire anybody. You know, like that. That seemed, and then secondly, again, we're not, we're never going to think all that highly of Joe Biden, but let's assume he was more of sound mind and body and said to Cheadle, you know, I'm sorry, I don't, I can't find this acceptable. I'd like your resignation or you're fired. Like how pleasantly shot. Nobody ever gets held accountable anymore. And I think, I don't, you know, Biden said, this is unacceptable. We're going to have a full investigation. And then you just kind of wait for everybody to forget about it. This is a really unfortunate habit in our, our government. It's why there is so little trust. And it is kind of egregious that Cheadle is not gone. Mayorkas should have been gone a long time ago for the border, but this is like a double failure on his watch.

Megyn Kelly
It's going from bad to worse. But we'll play some more in our next segment when our pal Dave Rubin joins us. Charlie, Jim, great to see you both. Thanks so much for being here.

Charles CW Cook
Thanks for having us. Meganehen.

Megyn Kelly
Okay. And up next, we'll get to some of the other questions that she's dodging on. Wait until you hear her latest on the sloped roof and why it was allegedly not appropriate for an agent. That's when Dave joins us next. I'm Megyn Kelly, host of the Megyn Kelly show on SiriusXM. It's your home for open, honest and provocative conversations with the most interesting and important political, legal and cultural figures. Today you can catch the Megyn Kelly show on Triumph, a Sirius XM channel featuring lots of hosts you may know and probably love great people like Doctor Laura, Glenn Beck, Nancy Grace, Dave Ramsey and yours truly, Megyn Kelly. You can stream the Megyn Kelly show on SiriusXM at home or anywhere you are. No car required. I do it all the time. I love the Sirius XM app. It has ad free music coverage of every major sport, comedy, talk, podcast and more. Subscribe now, get your first three months for free.

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James Comer giving Secret Service director Kim Cheadle a hard time on whether they placed a Secret Service agent on the roof, why they didn't adequately prepare for a possible shooter on the roof in question. Watch this.

Charles CW Cook
One of the things that you said, I believe in an interview that there wasn't an agent on the roof because it was a sloped roof.

Is that normal? And do you fear that that immediately creates an opportunity for future would be assassins to look for a slanted roof? I mean, this is a huge question.

Dave Rubin
That every american has.

Charles CW Cook
Why wasn't a Secret Service agent on the roof? And there have been reports that agents were supposed to be on the roof, but it was hot that day and.

Dave Rubin
They didn't want to be on the roof.

Charles CW Cook
Can you answer any of those questions, director?

Kim Cheadle
So I appreciate you asking me that question, chairman. I should have been more clear in my answer when I spoke about where we placed personnel in that interview. What I can tell you is that there was a plan in place to provide Overwatch, and we are still looking into responsibilities. And who is going to provide Overwatch when we are providing Overwatch, whether that be through countersnipers or other technology, prefer to have sterile rooftops now.

Megyn Kelly
They need to be sterile, not, not just non sloped. But it's ridiculous, Dave, that here we are.

Well, I guess it's eight days after the fact, nine days after the fact, and she still can't answer exactly who made the call to put it outside the security perimeter and who made the call not to station an actual secret service agent there? And who made the call once that was decide decided not to have eyes on the local law enforcement to make sure they had the roof covered, not from inside the building.

Dave Rubin
Megan, I got to tell you, I am highly caffeinated today. And in light of the events of the last eight days, I am going to pull no punches on the Megyn Kelly show today.

She has to step down right now. If she had any honor, she would be stepping down in the middle of this hearing. I don't know what she just said right there, but it's completely irrelevant. This roof top that we're talking about was not an a frame rooftop like on a barn where you actually might need some ropes and things to stay up there. Anyone could stand on this rooftop. There's the meme going around of a cow on a slightly, slightly inclined rooftop right now. This is complete absurdity. We. Look, we don't know the level that Dei fully played in this in terms of whether she actually got the job because of DEI or the agents that were there with Trump, or whether people have been trained properly, completely outside of DEI and everything else. But this is a category failure. And the problem that we are having across society at almost every level right now is that no one takes responsibility for anything, no matter what happens, whether it's Covid related, whether it's an assassination attempt related, or anything else. No one says, you know what? That was my responsibility and I have to step down.

She is an absolute, utter embarrassment. That was complete word salad right there. I don't care about Overwatch or anything else. We've all seen the image. I know you've put it up on your show where you can just so cleanly lay out the visual that the shooter had on Trump, the sniper on the shooter and everything else, this should have absolutely never happened. And I have to say, God bless Donald Trump for even being out there at the republican convention knowing that. It largely seems that not only is the system rigged against him, but who the hell knows what's going on with security right now?

Megyn Kelly
Speaker one it's amazing because right now, over the weekend, we got reaction from Mayorkas, chief of DHS, and Cheadle, head of secret service. They're outraged at the DEI questions that have been asked in the wake of the Trump. No one gives a shit. We don't care. Yep, take your feelings and stuff.

Dave Rubin
Speaker one enough.

Megyn Kelly
A man is dead.

Dave Rubin
Enough.

Megyn Kelly
President Trump was shot and nearly lost his life, and two others were shot, too. We couldn't care less about your faux outrage over the questions we're asking about whether you tried to dei the Secret Service right into an unsafe position.

Dave Rubin
Megan, the truth of the matter is that outside of DEi, it is fairly obvious that over the last, say, two, three decades, the United States government is no longer getting the best of the best to work for it, whether that's the literal office of the presidency or in the administration, or basically across the institutions. But then when you add a dash of DEI to it, you are going to degrade all of the institutions further. So if there was even 1% chance that the people in charge of protecting the president, be they the snipers or the secret service agents who are quite literally 2ft in front of him during all of this or anything else, or if there's a 1%, yeah, if there's a. Or the Secret Service director herself, if there's a 1% chance that that person is not the best of the best, because instead of focusing on what the job is, what the resume should look like for, to have a position like that versus, oh, they are of this gender or this sexuality, then the whole thing's got to go. And, Megan, our friend Peter Boghossian often points out that once wokeness enters any institution, by default, it destroys that institution. Because whether you're selling widgets or your job is to protect the president of the United States, once you deviate from what that intention is, what is the purpose of your company or your institution? Once you deviate and start looking at gender or skin color or anything else, as opposed to the meritocracy that this country should all be about, you will destroy the product.

So seeing Cheadle up there with this word salad and listening to the endless excuses is not surprising, I would say. It's not a, it's not a bug. It's a feature of the system that they've created.

Megyn Kelly
She's infuriating. I'm thrilled to see, for once Democrats and Republicans uniting to pummel Kim Cheadle. They've recognized how inappropriate she's being and how poorly this was handled. Here's a soundbite. This is Representative Raja Krishna Murthy, Democrat of Illinois, who's getting all over Cheadle on the fact that they knew, according to reports, at least an hour before the shooting, that they had identified a suspicious person, that they lost track of this person and they still let Trump take to the stage. So watch this.

Charles CW Cook
NBC reported that at 05:51 p.m. 20 minutes before the shooting began, the state police informed the secret service of their concern. Now, the rally was not paused at that point, correct?

Kim Cheadle
No.

Charles CW Cook
And according to NBC, just two minutes later, at 05:53 p.m. the Secret Service notified its snipers about the gunman. The rally wasn't paused at that point either, correct?

Kim Cheadle
No.

Charles CW Cook
Let me show you some video footage. The guy's on the roof and everybody's yelling at him.

Kim Cheadle
Yes.

Charles CW Cook
And directing the officer's attention to him. The rally was not paused at that point, correct.

Kim Cheadle
We are currently still combing through communications. And when communications were passed.

Charles CW Cook
Well, I can point you to this communication. It's two minutes before the shots started ringing out. Director Cheadle, yes or no?

Was there ever a moment where the Secret Service actually considered pausing the rally?

Kim Cheadle
The Secret Service would have paused the rally had they known or been.

Charles CW Cook
So the answer is no actual threat? The answer is no, correct.

Kim Cheadle
I can speak to you in generalities.

Charles CW Cook
No, no, I don't want generalities.

Megyn Kelly
Who's she saving the big answers for?

Dave Rubin
She works for us.

I can speak to you in generalities. What are you doing up there? Lady, I'm telling you, Megan, she should just resign right now, today.

This is just such a travesty. It's insane. You know, Megan, you and I both have ifbs in our ear. You know what they are. And, and most of your audience probably does that so that you can, your director can tell you that there's a video clip coming up or something. So think about what's going on that day at the Trump, at the Trump rally. There are at least two minutes where we know people were yelling about somebody with a gun over there on the building. All of the secret Service agents have one of these ifbs in their ear. That means that there's central communication somewhere where they're being told what's on the ground. Oh, there's a shady looking guy over there, or somebody's been in the bathroom too long over there. That's a little bizarre. Or there's a, there's a package outside of the, outside of the stage. Whatever the series of things might be. There were two minutes where all of these people, they're not disconnected unless they're somehow claiming that the entire system went down and they had no way of communicating with each other. The fact that two minutes went by where people are seeing something screaming about a guy with a gun on top of the hour that was just referenced right there where they thought someone, you know, kind of shady was there. It's all a failure of the system that they have created. Now, again, whether that's perfectly Dei related or not, we can set aside, but ultimately it falls on her. So she either has to say, I will resign right now because I did not put the proper policies in place, or she has to find somebody to fire.

I don't. That probably wouldn't be just for the person that they'll, you know, just throw, throw. Abort or throw aside.

It should be her. But this is an absolute embarrassment. And a perfect avid, she's a perfect avatar for a system that does not work anymore, where she can't answer a question, she doesn't know what her job is, and she's given word salad.

Megyn Kelly
Who decided to put that building outside the perimeter? That's what I want to know. And I don't care if it's, if it's a woman or a man. Maybe it was a man. I really think that's the person, that's person number one on the blame scale. Who made that dumb ass decision to put that outside the security perimeter? And then who decided to entrust it to local law enforcement, which, when it was an obvious spot from which something bad could happen. And then who failed to oversee them?

All those questions remain unanswered. In the meantime, we know the secret Service is misleading us because I mentioned it earlier. But they'd been saying in response to Susan Crabtree of real clear politics and Dan Bongino saying Trump's team had been asking for additional resources to protect him as he got closer and closer to the nomination. And the threat levels were going up, not at this particular event, but in general, prior to and at other events and over and over, he was denied resources. Now, some, I can understand, some, they said, oh, he's going to a massive sporting event as it, as a vip attendee. And they were like, we're not going to mag the entire stadium.

Dave Rubin
Right?

Megyn Kelly
You're going. That I get. That's reasonable. That that's all our tax dollars, they have to draw limits somewhere, especially on a former president. But I, not providing appropriate magnetometers or resources to make sure we had enough sniper coverage of outdoor rallies, which, you know, President Trump does all the time. He's both a former president and the nominee for the. That makes no sense. And they, so they came out and viciously attacked both of those reports, and now we know they were true. And here is Jim Jordan hammering director Cheadle on those denials.

Charles CW Cook
Secret Service spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said, quote, the assertion that a member of the former president's security team requested additional security resources that the US Secret Service or the Department of Homeland Security rebuffed is absolutely false. The next day, Secretary Mayorkas said that is an unequivocally false assertion. We had not received any request for additional security measures that were rebuffed.

But five days later, the Washington Post said this.

Top officials repeatedly rejected requests from Donald Trump security detail for more personnel. So which is it? Because both statements can't be true. Were you guessing or lying when you said you didn't turn down requests from President Trump's detail?

Kim Cheadle
Neither, sir. And I appreciate the question.

Charles CW Cook
What were you doing? Because those statements don't, don't jive.

Kim Cheadle
So what I can tell you is that for the event in Butler, there were no requests that were denied. As far as requests.

Charles CW Cook
Well, maybe they got tired of asking.

Maybe you turned them down so darn much. They said, not worth asking.

Kim Cheadle
A denial of a request does not equal a vulnerability.

Megyn Kelly
That's a new story. The reports were not that they asked for resources for Butler. The reports were that Secret Service had repeatedly, she had repeatedly turned down additional resources begged for by the Trump campaign. Now she's trying to weasel and change the nature of the Trump campaign's requests.

Dave Rubin
Megan, let me tell you, I don't know if this, I'm even allowed to tell this story publicly, but I think in light of everything that's going on, I think it warrants telling. I happened to do an event by total coincidence with Robert F. Kennedy junior, probably about eight months ago in Los Angeles when his house that day happened to be broken into. And I was standing back stage at the event with him when one of his aides said, your house got broken into. Somebody scaled the fence and his quote, and then I'll leave it at that, he said again, and then that's where I'll leave it. But that is the level of insanity that we are dealing with right now. Somebody with the Kennedy last name and we don't have to go into all of the things that have happened to his family members over the years, is not getting the protection they deserve. Now, I suppose they are post the Trump assassination attempt and then. Exactly. You're making the perfectly right point. This has nothing to do with the event, the security of the event that day, because Jim Jordan might be right. They might be like, yeah, we tried to get more security from you guys repeatedly. We knew the threats were going up and everything else, and then we just didn't ask. On this given day, I would also say the video that people need to keep looking at is the video where you see Trump getting shot and then the sniper that's sort of in the distance behind him. You see him basically shooting the would be assassin at the exact same moment, you know, within a millisecond.

I think the question for that sniper, what I would love to know is how long did you see the guy on the roof? Do we have any time on that? I mean, he didn't just magically get on the roof and then immediately shoot Trump in one millisecond. He obviously was on the roof before. It takes a moment to get your gun and everything else. So it seems to me that that's the guy that we need to hear from to get a little more sense of how long everything was going on for.

Megyn Kelly
Yeah. And what, what specifically he could see. You know, I'm sure it wasn't as clear as it was after the fact, but what could he see? So got some breaking news coming in here, Dave, and I do want to shift topics with you. Anyway. Nancy Pelosi has officially endorsed Kamala Harris. Now it's with immense pride and limitless optimism for our country's future.

You know what? It's just, it really, I know. You know, I haven't, whatever. I'm glad he's gone. He can't do this job. He certainly can't do it for another term.

But it really is galling that rather than have an open process where they let their voters decide now how to fix this problem that the party elders created, they're just going to rubber stamp their choice and shove her down the throats of the american people.

Dave Rubin
Speaker one yeah, it's really disgusting, but this is what the Democrat party has become. This is what I and a whole bunch of other people, former dems, have been warning about, that the radicalism in the party would lead to something like this. Look, they are, this, in essence, this is a coup that's happening right now. First off, we don't even know what Joe Biden knows about what's happening right now. That letter was not written on White House letterhead. It was a digital signature. Why was there no picture taken or why didn't they release a picture of him signing it? Why wasn't there video? Why is he not doing any appearances today and it sounds like not doing any for the rest of the week?

Megyn Kelly
There is some, let you finish your point. But just to add to that, that he, they call the lid at the White House, meaning he's done in Delaware. He's not at the White House where he's recovering from COVID He's not appeared publicly in video or in photographs since announcing yesterday. He won't see, and now we won't be seeing him today. Keep going.

Dave Rubin
Speaker one right. I mean, the president in essence just stepped down. Now, I understand he's still president, so to speak. De facto, he's still president. It still says his name at the desk at the White House, at the Oval Office. But this is a scandalous unlike anything we can possibly imagine. We've been living in pretty crazy times where every day, you know, you and I wake up and we have to figure out what we're covering. And every day it's crazier and crazier. But what just happened here is that the Democrats have known, they have known for more than five years that there was something not cognitively right with him. Megan, we posted a video on twitter this morning from my show on November 3, 2020, November 3, 2020, where I said that if he is sworn in again as a second term, if he makes it through this first term and is sworn again, that I would retire, I would delete all my accounts and retire now. Am I from the future am I a wizard? Am I clairvoyant? I don't think so, but I'm just not kind of brain dead, which is largely what the mainstream media has become.

You were also talking about this for a long time when nobody else was talking about it. It was obvious. So they started leaking to the media. Right? If Obama or Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi, if they wanted to have their meetings with Biden about what was going on or really figure out the temperature of his mental health, you can have those meetings and have it be private. But they didn't want it to be private because they wanted to have meetings, then leak it to the media. The pressure starts bearing on Biden. And again, we don't know what Biden's cognitive ability is right now, so we don't even know if he fully agreed to this. And, look, I'm not, I'm not a conspiracy theorist as a general rule, but in light of the amount of lies that we have been fed over the last couple of years, I think that there are all sorts of questions as to if this is all legit. What did they offer him? Did he just get 200 million for his presidential library? Did he get some slush fund? Did they get, did they guarantee that Hunter won't go to jail or that he won't go to jail? Like, there's so many, speaker one.

Megyn Kelly
It wasn't a new look at polls. Joe Biden believes.

Dave Rubin
Exactly.

Megyn Kelly
He can overcome bad polls. His lifetime experience tells him, don't believe that nonsense. I'm Joe Biden. I'm the comeback kidde. I don't believe these lies that they, you know, his inner team finally showed him the battle ground polls, and he said, ah, okay, right. Now I see the light. No, I know that's a lie.

Dave Rubin
It's a complete lie, right? He was suddenly like, I've been so defiant in all of this, and I'm so, I've got such wherewithal in my brain. I I crunched the numbers, and it does look like I'm going to lose. Let's hand it to Kamala. That's complete and utter nonsense. But, look, I'm not a Democrat, okay? So this is not my party. Fine. I'm not even a Republican, really, but I'm certainly not a Democrat. But if you are a Democr, if you are a Democrat, you should be absolutely insulted. I get it. You might hate Donald Trump. You might hate, you might think have Trump derangement syndrome and all of that stuff. However, you should be absolutely insulted that your party in essence, decided not to have a primary, then forced RFK K to, in essence, he quit the party because of the corruption over there. And now they're just going to install someone who literally was polling at 3% when she was running in the primary against Joe Biden. Nobody has voted for Kamala Harris. She was rejected, dropped out after the first debate because she was an, maybe it was the second debate because she was an absolute disaster. But they did this to their own people. And I am afraid that many of the Democrats are going to say, oh, this is just wonderful. Thank you, sir. Can I have another?

Megyn Kelly
It's really wrong.

Getting him to step down is correct. He should step down from the presidency, too. And now they should have an honest contest in whatever time is left, as honest as it can be, given the fact that they skipped the primaries. This is by edict. This is by Nancy Pelosi's edict that we're going to wind up speaker one.

Dave Rubin
Megan, can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question?

What do you make of the fact that Hillary and Bill are all in on this and Pelosi are in on the Kamala transition, but Obama's kind of punting on this thing because to me, that shows you what the real fight is about right now.

Megyn Kelly
Well, I think Obama understands electoral politics very well and understands she's incredibly unpopular and that they do better with somebody else. You know, if they had a ticket of two of these sitting popular governors who are in swing states or who are Democrats governing red states, right, like North Carolina or purple states, like the Pennsylvania. Josh. Josh Appiro. They improve their chances and they're not as unpopular as she is. I don't know that Bill and Hillary, they're, you know, I feel like she's probably making some sort of a vice presidential play here because let's not forget, Kamala Harris will need to name her running mate. And let's, you know, it doesn't necessarily have to be male, female. Who knows? Hillary's been getting a lot more ink lately, and she's definitely been placing those pieces. That doesn't happen organically. No one's thinking about her. I, anyway, okay. So that's my thought on them. I do, you know, I do wonder how Trump is going to handle her because having said all that, she did get elected to, you know, us senator. She won first her local race to be da. She became the attorney general of California. She became a us senator, and she ultimately, you know, won the vice presidency. So she's not incapable of winning debates and making her arguments.

I don't know whether there'll be a debate. Now Trump is saying, I'm not doing the ABC debate. I agreed to, I want to do one against her on Fox News. Now, that would be something fun to watch.

I can't see Kamala Harris agreeing to go on Fox News, but she should because Brett and Martha would be very fair. They would be very fair.

So I don't know what's going to happen. How does he handle her? Because so far, it's been typical Trump style. You know, his tweets or his truth. Social posts have been pretty bombastic.

Dave Rubin
Yeah, well, we're, look, we're in the midst of seeing a massive narrative shift because last week, post assassination and for the four days of the, of the republican convention, which you were at, I mean, that was the widest tent republican movement and the most focused, sort of joyous pro America. Doesn't matter if you're just like the most traditional conservative ever. We want you in this party. You have Rick Grinnell up there saying, doesn't matter if you're gay or straight. You have Harmeet Dylan giving a Sikh prayer. You have orthodox Jews and Christians. You had atheist groups, the secular groups there. It was exactly what America is supposed to be. And what my fear was during that was this is kind of Trump peaking a little bit too early. It's like all the energy post assassination, which is just like, beyond ephemeral. You can't even touch that now. You have this really a hot party that is doing all of the right things that we would want as, as Americans, I think.

And now you're going to see the narrative shift. And the narrative shift is going to be that Kamala Harris is the black woman who is a prosecutor and Donald Trump is the criminal, and she is going to prosecute him and everything else. I think Trump has to stay on message. Don't get, you know, one of the things he's been very, very good at last couple of months, especially as it pertained to Biden, was letting Biden make mistakes, not going too crazy with the name calling. I think if Trump just continues to expose the identity politics nonsense, all of her really horrific ideas as it relates to Marxism and equity over equality and everything else, that will help.

But look, you know, Megan, we got, what, three months to the election, and we have six months till a new president is inaugurated. They have plenty of time to just keep dinging and dinging and dinging Trump and making it seem like he's Hitler again and now she's the hero. So this is a long time off and I wish maybe that the Republicans had punted the convention to a little bit later so things would time out.

Charles CW Cook
A little bit differently.

Dave Rubin
The fact that, the fact that the debate was in June really has now worked to the dem's advantage.

Megyn Kelly
I have to say. I think Trump, yes, he's going to need to hit her. And I think his surrogate should absolutely be hitting her all the time on her policy choices, which are just very far left. But he needs more moments like this one. Do we have time to play it? You guys saw 22 more of this.

Charles CW Cook
You know, I have to just interject. If you would turn off those cameras, because I don't want this.

Megyn Kelly
See the screen up there of me? That's very severe.

Charles CW Cook
That comb over, that's just, that's a severe sucker.

Dave Rubin
What's with that one?

Charles CW Cook
It looks okay from the other side.

Kamala Harris
Of.

Charles CW Cook
But that is very severe. I apologize, man.

Megyn Kelly
I looked up there.

Charles CW Cook
I said, whoa, look at that.

Dave Rubin
Wow.

Charles CW Cook
That's like a work of art.

Only look at that one. Don't look.

Megyn Kelly
That one looks charming, self deprecating and funny. His possibility on full display that is.

Dave Rubin
More substantive than anything you will hear about from Kamala Harris in the next three months. I promise you that. But even the fact that he can do that completely off the cuff in the middle of the speech and it's funny and you're right, it's self deprecating. It shows that he's human or that, that his mind is even thinking about that for the slightest degree as he sees it in the screen over there. And he goes with all that. It is incredible. But somehow the man who is orange with the craziest hair plugs in the history of the world is more authentic than everyone on the other side. The authors of the Matrix should be. You got to tap your hat to them.

Megyn Kelly
Absolutely. I will say he's got a smaller bandage on his right ear now. It's like a small tan one. And you still have the lunatics out there like Olbermann saying he was never shot. So we'll leave you that with that on this lovely Monday afternoon. So much more to get to tomorrow. Dave Rubin, thank you. Always a pleasure.

Dave Rubin
Good to see you, Megan.

Megyn Kelly
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