JRE MMA Show #155 with Max Holloway

Max Holloway
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Joe Rogan
Have you ever had to deal with jet lag for a fight? No, not really. I mean, we tried to go up like early, that's why. So the first two days is whatever, but then after that we all good. Where's the furthest that you had to fly to to fight?

Max Holloway
I think so. Abu Dhabi fight island. And so how long does that take to adjust, brother? That one was weird. Cuz then you remember they had us fighting at weird times.

Like, you know, like, so we had to change. We had to sleep during the, during the day and then wait, like train during the night. Like, I remember going to sleep around like eight or 09:00 a.m.. Whoa. Yeah, cuz we was fighting like around that time, like early in the morning.

So it's just, uh, that was insane. So you had to get your body acclimated. Acclimated? Yep. That's, that's got to play a factor, right?

Joe Rogan
Like if you live in Abu Dhabi, that'd be a big advantage. Oh, for sure, for sure. I mean, did you not just see the, the July card that is, that announced in UK? Three. Three am, brother.

Yeah, that's crazy. Is the main card start? So they're saying whoever's main line headline is fighting at 06:00 a.m. That's crazy. That's insane.

You know how drunk that audience is gonna be? Great. I saw, you know what is funny? I saw a clip. I saw a clip, a meme of a video of like a uk fan is like living in the UK.

Max Holloway
He was like, hey, he watched our fight. Our fight just got done. Mine's in Justin. He played our clip and then he was like, great, now I can start my morning. He opens the door, it's light out and stuff.

I'm like, holy shit. Yeah, they have to deal with different. I mean, it's funny, the american pay per view time schedule just trumps everything. Oh, yeah. I mean, crazy.

Joe Rogan
I guess we're the ones who buy it the most. I wonder what the numbers are in the rest of the world. I think UK is another hot spot, right? And UK, big. I mean, they some, there are some fight fans to be.

Yeah. Doing that every, you know, once a month they're planning a, there's a pay per view card and they're like, look, honey, 03:00 a.m. I'm probably gonna be screaming, so please don't, you know, don't divorce me. So pretty awesome. Yeah.

You just got to get one tolerant wife and have everybody go over that house. Yeah. Be like, hey, guys. Or you get the single friend, you know? You know, one of the guys that he's just single.

Max Holloway
You don't have nothing going on. He's like, yeah, you come to my house. Yeah, that's perfect. So what has it been like for you after 300? I mean, it seems like, I think for whatever reason, people go through phases of their career, and with some fighters, if a fighter gets a loss or two, they start to think that that fighter has started to decline.

Uh huh, uh huh. And with you, I think some people had written you off for some strange reason. Brother, oh, brother. I don't get it. I heard the noise.

Joe Rogan
I heard it. I heard the noise. I'm like, listen, he's only 32. He's 32, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

He's only 32. That's athletic prime. I'm like, there's not no beatings. There's no knockouts. There's no, like, there's no decline in the expression of skills inside the octagon.

Everything looks the same and better every fight. You know what the problem is? The problem is that these guys got to see me grow up. You know? I got in the UFC when I was 2020 years old, and a lot of people think I'm DC's old ass.

Max Holloway
Like 42 years old or something, you know? I mean, and then I'm like, brother, I'm not DC. I've been calling out DC, but I'm a young guy, you know, just because I've been harassing his. His potato looking butt. Like, come on, bag of potato looking ass.

I. You two together are hilarious, brother, I love that guy. I love that guy. He's the best. A lot of guys just think I'm old because I've been fighting since I was 20, and then it.

And it wasn't. And it's not like I've been fighting 20. I've been fighting since I was 20, and I fought a who's who in, in my best in the world. Since you were 20 years old? Just past teenager.

Yeah. So, like, especially with the, you know, with the Vogue fights, you know, it's like the. The first two fights was all. Was, was all right. And that third fight is what made everybody go, oh, he's done for.

I'm like, brother, like, that was his volks night. He was on. You know what I mean? Like, it is what it is. Everybody's like, oh, yeah, look.

Look at Max. He. He Volk just did this, and now they're doing MMA, Matt. Cause Ilya did that to Volk. And even with Ilya doing MMA math, I beat a guy that beat you, tit.

I'm like, brother, this is not how it works. I lost to Dustin. Dustin just got knocked up from. From Justin. And now what?

Now can I say I beat Dustin now? No. Yeah. You know, styles make fights, so it's. Also what happens in camp.

Joe Rogan
What. What kind of condition are you coming into the fight in? Did you. Are you fighting injured? How did.

Max Holloway
Yeah, exactly. Did you just fight Islam Makhachev and get head kicked? I mean, that's a big factor, man. Brother, that was crazy. You know, a lot of people was giving me a shit when.

Cause Islam talked about our fight, about me and Justin saying it was useless fight or whatever. And I'm like, bro, like, if you took the fight in February when, like, you should have. Cause you came out clean, I think, so Justin woulda. Woulda fought you, you know? But, like, how the hell is someone that you just knocked?

Like, that was a scary knockout, brother. Like, that was a scary knockout ass knockout. And that guy turned around in couple months. Like, bro, you're not even supposed to get hit for that long, right? And then now you're doing a camp.

Even if you're okay, say you do a camp, you don't spar our camp, right? But then you stood training hard or whatever, and, like, maybe you just accidentally fall over, bump your head on something, you know, or like, you're scratching your head, you know, are you screaming or something? Because you stress it out, you know? I'm like, I don't know what could happen, but you got it. You have to have a long time.

Yeah. Chilling. I mean, look at. Look at Justin. I just saw Justin finally doing interviews after this fight, and he just said, like, I'm not doing nothing for six months.

Like, nothing. And I'm like, bro, that's smart. When Marquez knocked out Manny Pacquiao, Freddie Roach made him wait a year. One year. One year.

That's crazy. So you gotta really heal up. That was a bad knockout, bro. You only got. I remember what it was.

It was you that talked about it like that talked about our brain. This is like, long time ago when you talking about the cotton candy thing in your brain and how it's. How once that disappear, you don't. That shit don't grow back. Right, exactly.

And I remember watching, that was a long time ago. I didn't know how many years that was. That was a go. And that really meant a lot. And everybody keep telling me, like, oh, max, you get hit so much, and blah, blah, blah, this and that.

I'm like, yeah, okay, in the fight, you might see me get hit, but I'm not. I'm not. I'm not sparring, you know, like, I'm not sparring. I'm being smart. This Justin Gaethje one brother, I'm just going to the gates of hell.

We had to bring back sparring, you know what I mean? Like, I was. I was ready to be a crash dummy against. We. I told my coaches, look, this is a man that is very dangerous.

We need to get in. We need to get it into the thick of it and get it done. So we bring back sparring for this one. But it still wasn't very wise. It still wasn't crazy.

You know, it wasn't crazy. Like, we had our hard days out for far outside of camp, like, outside of camp, and it was fun. Then we kind of toned it out. But getting ready for Justin Gitch, you had to. But then with.

With your brain health, you need to protect your brain. You know what I mean? Like, there's so much movies, like, on concussions and the movie concussion, and. And we have so much. What is it, information now about the brain and how you can help yourself and how you can mentally and physically help yourself get better and help the brain out.

So why. Why not use that? You know, a lot of people call me crazy. A lot of people. I keep hearing the talk about his chin.

Gotta go this time. His chin. Like, when the hell is my chin? My chin was supposed to go the last 20 fights. You know what I mean?

Like, what are you guys talking about? You know? Yeah, it's ridiculous. Someone either has a good chin or they don't have a good chin. Yeah, but you're not getting hit clean a lot.

Joe Rogan
One of the things that you do a lot is you roll with shots. You're very good at rolling with shots. When you're getting hit, you're getting hit, and I see you turning your face. I see you taking some steam off of a lot of shots. And.

And your style is. So it's a fun style to watch, but it's also a nightmare to deal with. You're switching stances. You're constantly cutting angles, like, the volume that you put on Justin when Justin was having a hard time catching to you, it was very evident early on that you were on it, but it was one of those fights where it's like, damn, Justin with one punch can fuck people. Up, and it's just, like, avoiding that one punch.

And then when you start tuning him up, then he dropped you. He dropped.

Max Holloway
Third or fourth round. I forget the drop, which is crazy. And, I mean, like, a lot of. People, it didn't count. No, it didn't.

So. So, like, they're there. ESPN is, like, posting it, saying, like, in however many fights, I'm with the UFC, right? I stayed in. Get dropped.

That's. That's some bullshit.

But I'm not. I'll be a man to sit here and be. I wouldn't be a man. See, telling you that it did, bro. He.

Bro. All I remember getting hit by that punch, and then, like, I sat, and then I came back up, I was like, what the fuck did he hit me with? You know what I mean? Holy shit. I was like, that was a good punch.

And then when I re watched it, he hit me, like, right on the top of my dome. I was like, holy smack, brother. This guy smacks. And then I was fine. As soon as I got, it was one of those, like, boom.

You know, like, the legs just give out. The legs just give out. Like, I was there. Even when I was standing, I was looking at him. But I don't know how that didn't count as a drop.

But I don't know what they count as a drop, because that has to count. Yeah, that was crazy. No, that's 100% of knockdown. Somebody just admit. This episode is brought to you by manscaped guys.

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Max Holloway
Yeah, yeah, I saw that. I saw that. What's funny? I never saw the fight, but then when people was. When he was talking about fighting and we was fighting and saying.

And he was. He said something about dropping me or killing me, and then I see the comments of him getting that hit, that left high kick, getting dropped. So I was like, oh, yeah. I didn't see the fight, but I saw that part happen. It was an amazing comeback.

Joe Rogan
Cause he knocked him out in the second round. But, man, he could take a shot because he got hit so clean with a switch kick off the left side, right chin to the chin. Just perfect. I mean, it was just whack. And then his whole body just goes out.

And then he grabbed ahold of a single. Check this out. Watch this. Boom. I mean, dude, watch the head snap back.

Look at the head snap back. I mean, that is just shin to the chin. Yep. That is just a perfect Jai Herbert head kick. But he grabbed ahold of him, and he managed to maintain his composure, got him to the ground, survives the round, and actually was winning the rest of the round.

Max Holloway
Two look, four minutes. He did a lot of wrestling. Did a lot of wrestling. He's a very complete fighter. He's very good, bro.

He's very good. Very good. And his fucking boxing, man, his boxing is terrifying. I was shocked that Volk wanted to take to that fight so quickly after the Makachev fight. And if I was his friend, I would have not recommended that.

Joe Rogan
But I don't know if you could talk to him. I mean, he's a champion. He's him, you know? Yeah, dudes like, that is like, mate, we can do it, mate. We're gonna go to war.

Max Holloway
He's a fucking animal. He's an animal, man. He's an animal. But the human body, it's a. The vulnerabilities of the human body are real.

Joe Rogan
Despite the spirit of the man. Yeah. Despite damage, no matter spirit. Yeah. You still have something.

Max Holloway
Your. Your brain, your muscles did hurting. So it's going to only protect itself when it feels something, when there's a warning sign going off, like, oh, man, warning. Did it shut off? Because it's like, look, I'm gonna save me from myself.

Joe Rogan
Like, that's what Connor fought Dustin the last time he had a broken shin. Yeah. His leg was broken already. He had a fracture going into that. Fight, and he knew it.

Max Holloway
And the body's just gonna. Your body's gonna give up, you know, no matter how strong the will is. And think about, like, what that cost him. A lot. Two years.

Two years. Two years. And who knows where he could have been if he hadn't taken that fight and he left. Look, it's only eight weeks. Yeah.

Joe Rogan
That you got a stress fracture like that. It's like eight weeks and it's healed, right? Cause it's not all the way through. That's crazy. It could have healed it, and then.

Max Holloway
You know, and you see move mountains for that man, so why not? I don't know if they knew it was a fracture, though. It definitely was. But they. I think they had done mris on it.

Joe Rogan
It was inconclusive turn. But it was badly hurt. Yeah. You know, you've had bone bruises. Like, I don't know if this is broken.

You got to get it looked at. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They suck. No, they heard, bro. Was your left shin, brother?

Max Holloway
My legion. It's all right now, but they hurt, bro. I saw about to talk about it, bro. This guy kick hard as shit. Yeah.

And his. Bro, the way his bones. I don't know what it was made out of, bro. I think so. Titanium.

Like, I like to say my chin is made out of vibranium, brother. He had a vibranium leg, bro. I was like, he went to Wakanda, too. I was thinking to myself, like, how I thought I only got to go to Wakanda. I guess you went to, you know, but, uh.

You know, they. Bro, it hurt like, I stood. My shins did. Bruised. It feels good.

I can move. I move it, whatever. It's, like, stiff after the fight in there. A lot of people always. I always hear you talk about it in there and be like, oh, yeah, it hurts.

I don't really feel it. Like, I don't pay too much mind to it in. In the fight. I can feel when he hits it, and it's like, oh, I'm telling myself that's gonna hurt later, but you got 25 minutes. You know, we gotta stay in here, you know?

Joe Rogan
And that's what's interesting, is it doesn't seem to compromise your movement that much. It depends entirely upon the person. Like, some people get calf kicked once real hard, and it swells up, and you see immediately they're walking fucked up and they're trying to switch south spa, they're trying to switch stances, but you don't seem to have as much of a problem with it. Yeah, it wasn't really a problem. I know it hurts.

Max Holloway
I know it's gonna be hurt after the fight. But then even that, like, switching stance is the most craziest thing to me. While after getting, like, completely landed nicely there. Cause if I switch stance, he screwed up two of my legs. What I'm gonna do?

Crawl over to him, right? You know what I mean? I'd rather have one leg than two legs messed up, you know? And then I think that's you. I think you're particularly durable because some guys, like you seen what happens with Perjeda.

Joe Rogan
He kicks brother a couple of times in that leg, and that legs fucked up, man. Everybody. Even Yambo who's made out of rocks. Yeah, Yan's like, his bones are made out of stone. Remember when he was going with Uncle IV?

He went shin to shin with him. Yeah. He was just cracking shins with him and fucking his leg up. Yeah. And then a guy like, bro, did you see that picture of me and Alex?

Max Holloway
Alex, did you guys see the picture of me and Alex? They face swapped them. No, they put my face on Alex Ferrar. Try to look it up, brother. He look like thanos, bro.

And money. Moy Kano, bro. Money Kano is like, yeah, fuck this guy, you know? You know money where Khan is like, yeah, fuck that guy, bro. You got to kill that money.

My God, is the funniest guy, bro. I love that guy. I saw Twitter, he was like, yeah. People asking me to. To fight Max, cuz he's nine and I'm ten or something, or eight and nine or something like that.

Are you fucking crazy? He's like, I'll fight him if he. If we have one rule. No punching. I love money McConnell, bro.

Joe Rogan
He's a funny dude, man. He almost lost that Jalen Turner fight. That was what happened there. Jalen Turner tried to look cool and get a walk off kill, and it didn't happen. It didn't happen.

You can't do that. You gotta follow up. That was the fight. Like, if he beat Moycano, man, and Jalen had him. He had him.

Max Holloway
We was in. I was at the hotel room still watching that fight.

Yeah, I was tripping out. And, you know, it's funny, as soon as that. As soon as that happened, I was like. I told my coach, I was like, you know, it'd be funny if money, what kind of comes out and rear Nick is in the next round. And he finishes on the next.

I was like, damn. I was like, it wasn't funny, but it was like, damn, that's amazing. Well, Jalen is so long. He's so dangerous, too. His knockout power, like, at length.

Joe Rogan
He catches guys on the end of shots. You can't even come close to him, and he's cracking you, and he's got nasty power. And you know that Moikano dude, he's tough. He's very tough. The fact that he figured it out, he's like, fuck.

All this standing. I'm gonna grab that dude and drag him to the ground. Smart, bro. Smart. Yeah.

Max Holloway
Iq, let's fight. Iq, bro. What a guard that was. Oh, brother. From the begin.

From the first one, bro, I had family and friends that came to the fight, and they went to the first fight. Cody Garbrand, you had to figure it. You had to, bro. You had. You got two former world champions going at it.

First fight. Yeah. That's insane, brother. And two guys that are still awesome. And it was.

And it was fighting. It was a fight, bro. It was a fight. Damn. How crazy was it when he went for the handstand kick?

Imagine he landed that kick on stuff's face when he stuff went for the handstand, and then he just went for a regular leg kick and almost kicked him in the head. That was crazy. Yeah, those cartwheel kicks were ridiculous. Crazy. Crazy.

You gotta set him up, brother. You can't be just turn them freely like that, you know? Well, Justin tried rolling thunder on you in the last round, right? I knew he was going to try it. I knew that that's what Justin known for, you know?

So I knew he's gonna do it. We knew he's gonna do a couple stuff. We knew. Power punches, late kicks. I was thinking if we got later in the rounds or if he was getting comfortable, he's gonna try and do that thunder, the rolling thunder kick.

So who's ready for it? You know, he's got this weird ability to kick your legs, like, in a clinch. Close, bro. Close, bro. Yeah.

I heard you talking about how his hip is so flexible that he can just kick. He can, bro. It was almost like. You know what it reminded me? It wasn't a high kick, of course, but you know what his late kick remind me of?

It reminds me of your year's high kick. Like, me and your ear could be nose to nose, and a fucking kick comes up. I'm like, holy shit. Like, he did it to me one time. Yeah.

And I was like what? Like, why are you guys so flexible? And even, like, with. With Justin, with his late kick, bro. Like, some of them is even his angles that he take on his kick.

I'm like, you're not hitting me with this. And he fucking. He cracks me, his whole shin across my knee. I'm like, what is going on? How are you landing this?

It's like, yeah, his angles is weird, bro. He has some weird angles for it, for sure. Well, he's very unique in a lot of ways. It's a very unique style, very unique mentality. He's a unique guy.

Joe Rogan
But the leg kicks in the clinch when he was. Was it still pfl back then? I know which one you were talking about. The one that he was in the. Clinch and he was kicking and full power.

Max Holloway
I think he tkoed that guy. Oh, he tkoed that guy. It's horrible to watch because you're dealing with the clinch and you thinking, oh, we're just clinching here. And he's just killing your legs. Like no one can.

Joe Rogan
Like, no one can. I don't know anybody else who kicks the legs from the clinch. Like Justin Gaethje does. Full power clinching. You know how you do that?

Max Holloway
He'll kick. That's what people do. They usually grab that heel and they hit it, whatever. But, like, this guy is like straight Jose Aldo running late, kicking to you in the clinch, you know, it's insane. Think about all the guys you fought, Max.

Joe Rogan
I mean, you have fought the best of the best. You fought everybody except Makachev. There's like, everybody of your era you fought. Yeah. Well, the Makachev fight is not.

Max Holloway
Not too far off. So, you know, never say never. I got a couple more years in me, for sure. What do you think? Like, if you had to plan it out, okay, so here we got Poirier and Makachev are fighting.

Joe Rogan
They're fighting next. And that's gonna be. What is that? New Jersey. New Jersey.

New Jersey. So let's say Makachev wins. If Makachev wins. Well, even if Poirier wins. If Poirier wins, it's a great rematch.

Max Holloway
We have history, you know, especially at 55. We have 45. And make it. Make it a double belt, brother. I would love that, brother.

Double. That'd be crazy. The double belt, first time ever. That'd be crazy. BMF and the lightweight title on the line.

That'd be crazy. Wow. That would be wild. But even if whoever wins. But then I really like.

Joe Rogan
No, here's the thing. At 55, you look fantastic. You look bigger, you look stronger. I'm sure it felt better, like you didn't have to. It felt good, bro.

Max Holloway
The cut, bro, the cut was. The cut was a cut. Don't get me wrong, but it was beautiful, brother. I was eating sushi all week, eating more. I eat sushi when I go to 45, too, but I was eating more sushi all week, bro.

I was loving it. Do you think that that's better for you? We see what happens, you know, I feel like I stood have an unfinished business for. I want to get the tie. I mean, before this fight.

Before this fight, you know, we only had like a couple of options after this fight. We. The whole main goal with this fight was like, just have all the options. That was the me that was going down to this fight was the mentality was let's have all the options. We put we.

We go out there and we do something spectacular. You know, I'm right up there with the top 55 ers. I'm right up. I still have my spot with the 45 ers. And then I, to my surprise, after the fight, they announced a Connor, a Connor versus Chandler fight.

So it's like me and Connor have some history. So there's options. You know what I mean? So. And they're talking about doing something at 65.

Joe Rogan
I know DC has been saying this. I don't know what he knows. I haven't pressed him. I'm sure DC knows something. That guy only talks about stuff when he knows.

Max Holloway
He's. Yeah, yeah. Clever. Yeah, yeah. This is what DC acts about that.

You know, DC, you've been. You caught a lot of fights with him. You know him as a person. He don't talk about nothing unless he knows something is going on, brother. It's either.

Joe Rogan
That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. It's either he knows something going on or he's just bullshitting. So it's either they see isn't as one or the other place. Middle.

Max Holloway
Exactly. With the. With that. With that, you know, I mean, I know he doesn't boost it, but I know he sees other stuff. It's like, it's crazy.

Like, because I saw him talking about the BMF. I. Did you see that one with that bit with RC when he told RC o that he should, who should else should fight for the BMF? And I know, no disrespect to him, but, like, come on, DC, what the hell? He's like, he's just so offline on that side, you know?

Yeah. He's so out of pocket, like, calling that, you know. Well, he's out of pocket because he says so biased towards wrestling. Yeah, yeah. He wants.

Joe Rogan
He's like, there's been no takedowns in the BMF fights. Like, I think that's what a BMF belt is, you know? Well, it can be takedowns if it happens, but it, you know, just have it. Just because you want takedowns. Bring a wrestler in.

Yeah, but that belt is a special belt. You know, it's. It's. It's a wild belt. It's like, it's wild.

These are wild fights. That's why, you know. You know what is funny? Like, a lot of them, it's funny because I see a lot of these guys, these MMA guys, guys. Some guys who's just, like, even doing MMA.

Max Holloway
I see everything, brother, from, like, low level MMA guys that's trying to come up to mid to high, and I. And before this fight, everybody was shitting on the BMF, whatever, blah, blah, blah. And then now that I got it, I'm happy to see that it's actually getting its worth, you know what I mean? At the end of the day, everybody's saying, oh, no, undisputed. Well, I was an undisputed champion.

I have the BMF belt. Now. What is it? You know, you cannot tell? Well, I'm fighting number one contenders and keep fighting these number and champions.

What now? You tell me what it is. You know, at the end of day, the belt was cool, and I always tell everybody the belt is cool, but you guys gotta understand what brings with the belt, what the emotions it brings and what kind of fight it brings to a card. You know, like our fight, a lot of people were saying, could have been the main event of 300. You know what I mean?

So it's insane, you know, 100%. And the crazy thing is, there was two insane fights after your fight. Your fight was so good that two insane world title fights afterwards, that happened after, and still people talk about your fight. And I felt so bad for the girls because that I was watching that fight in the back after doing my media, and it was such a crazy fight, brother. But.

But I think so people was just. They just had an adrenaline dump because of what happened in the last fight. You know, I lost my voice, bro. I lost my voice. I really did.

Joe Rogan
I've never lost my voice ever. Yeah. UFC fights, the first time I ever stood up, I couldn't sit down. I was standing up. I was just like.

Max Holloway
I saw that. I saw you stand up there's the first. It was just what? Dana had the greatest quote in the post fight press conference. He said, I sell holy shit moments when people ask me, what do I do for a living?

Joe Rogan
Look at this. I couldn't even sit down. I had to get up. I had to hold onto those guys. I'm holding onto them.

Max Holloway
That is awesome. It's funny when they started putting cameras on us. Cause we've been doing that forever. Like DC and I go crazy. We hug each other, we go nuts when something crazy happens.

Joe Rogan
Like what? What? I'm glad. I'm glad they did. Cause to see your guy, to see like, see fans and reactions to the fight is cool, but they're fans.

Max Holloway
But then when you see like our peers and guys like you and my fight and other fighters and commentators of the sport that you've been around forever. So to see you do that, that would like, that brings a humongous ass smile to my face, like, holy shit, I just made Joe Rogan stand to. Hella, you know, say to this day, and I do it based on my reaction. Obviously, this is personal. I say it's the greatest knockout of all time.

Joe Rogan
The reason why I say it's the greatest knockout of all time was because everybody thought that Justin was going to be overpowering you. He was a bigger guy. He had just knocked out Dustin Poirier. You had lost the last fight to Volkanovski. You hadn't been in title contention since then.

You had a bunch of great wins. But here you're gonna fight this bigger guy and all these people were writing you off. All these people were saying that it did and you're tuning him up. And you did have to overcome getting knocked down. And you did have adversity.

You had to deal with that leg. And then for you to stand winning four rounds to one in the middle of the octagon point at the ground with 10 seconds left and then to knock him out with 1 second left, the way I reacted, the way I jumped up, I've never done that before. Even when Leon Edwards knocked out Usman, that was another crazy one. Yeah. Before that, I would have said that was the greatest knockout of all time because he was down.

He was down four rounds. And John Enik just had the perfect call. He said, that is not the cloth from which he is cutting. And it both has his head kick. Like it's a movie.

Max Holloway
Yeah. So that was number one before, but you are number one now. Thank you, brother. That's number one. Cause just impact all time.

Joe Rogan
Like complete polar shift. Of how people think about the BMF belt. They don't think about it as a gimmick at all anymore. Cause it was the wildest, crazy fight with an undeniable number one contender in Justin versus you. It's wild how it happened.

The whole thing was wild. I mean, you only as good as your last fight, right? That's. That's. That's what it is.

Max Holloway
This sport, I like to tell everybody, you know, this is not like basketball. This is not. This is not like baseball or like hockey, where you can just shit the bed on a Tuesday and then you come back out on a Friday, and then you. You're just a man of the world again, you know? Like, you shit.

Like. Like, this stuff happen. You have a bad fight. Like, with Alex. That fight don't get erased off until I have something great.

And even if you have a good fight, you know, I mean, like, I had a good fight with Arnold, but they still, like Alex. It did that, and I did it with korean song, and then I had a knockout. Knockout over korean zombie. And then they're like, yeah, but Korean is old, and blah, blah. And then finally now with this Justin, now everybody forgets, you know, like, it takes us a while to make them forget about your last fight, you know?

So it was just. It was amazing, bro. You know, like, to see everybody go crazy, like, in my mind, like, a lot of people ask me, what's going to your mind when you're doing that? You're up for one. I'm like, brother, that was.

That was in my mind the whole time. I'm like, we wanted 10 seconds. I was like, I remember calling. I remember it being a minute. I remember my coach yelling, a minute, max, stay clean.

And then I was like, a minute. I was like, oh, hell, yeah. 50 more seconds until we go to the center. We're gonna swing. In my mind.

And then he's like, 40 seconds. I was like, holy shit, this clock is slow, you know? I mean, I'm like, why is it taking forever? And then he's, like, calling, nice. Like, 30 seconds.

And then he's like, okay, 20 seconds. And then he does. And he goes. He go right after the 20 seconds mark underneath. Couple seconds after he does his rolling thunder.

And then it pushed me to a point of perfectly circle out. And then that's when I said I did the, like, oh, come here. You know, let's. Let's go here. Let's throw it.

Because that was just. Everybody's losing their mind, but to me, I just. This is normal. You know, this is the second time. This is the second time I did it, you know.

Of course, the second time I'm doing it, I heard you guys say it's the first time was a Ricardo, but this ain't no Justin. Justin Gaethje, you know. But, you know, why not? Why not? If he was to put.

If he was gonna put me out, then. Then so be it, you know, live by the sword. Well, it was a wild ending to fight. There's a rolling done to. Damn, that was a nice rolling thunder.

Joe Rogan
It was close now right here. Oh, this is so crazy, Max.

Max Holloway
Oh, that was crazy. Yeah, it's the greatest. It has to be the greatest knockout. It has to be.

Joe Rogan
And then you flex it walking around. Come on, man. That's the greatest. They got the sickest picture of me, bro. They had the sickest picture of me when I'm flexing and I'm over.

Max Holloway
Like, I love Justin, bro. I freaking love the man. But they have like, that, you know, like the Mohammed. The Muhammad lady picture. Yeah, yeah.

They got a moment of me like that. So I got a painting for you. I told you, I got a Ross Baines. He's an amazing artist. He made an incredible painting, and it's.

Joe Rogan
It's on the way. I had someone go back to my house, go grab it. Sick. It's on the way. But, yeah, that was a.

There's a wild moment, man. It just complete shift of what people care about in upcoming fights. Like, you are the fucking man now. Like, whatever, whatever. Next pay per view, you're in.

Holy shit. That's gonna be big. And if it's you and Makachev, or if it's you and Ilya, you and Ilya would be crazy. Brother. Brother.

Max Holloway
So much. So much fun, brother. I know. Is that Spain? Is that 300 foot?

Joe Rogan
When is there gonna be a UFC? Perth is 305, right. I don't think they're gonna go Spain this year. I don't think they can. I think so.

Max Holloway
Dana White said it said in the. In the 200 conference after fight conference. He said that we're going with Spain. It just takes the time because you got to book something, and it's, like, gonna be like a year now. Good.

Joe Rogan
That fights, I mean, it sucks. Yeah. Let's go Vegas. I hope Vegas. Or Madison Square garden.

Max Holloway
Yeah, or. Or Vegas. Allegiant stadium, 66,000, brother. That's what it is. Did you use their 300 night, bro?

Did you not see all the hawaiian flags? They were everywhere, bro. That's the 9th island. The 9th island, brother. Give me.

You cannot. You. We can't go to UFC Hawaii. Give me Allegiance Stadium, and let's go crazy there. Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan
Oh, my God. You can sell it. Allegiant stadium for a big UFC, 100%. They could sell it. I mean, every UFC sells out like that.

They sell out so quick. There's so many scout tickets in a fight like that, especially if they put together a banger of a card, because, you know, they're doing the sphere, which is gonna be wild. Yeah. That's gonna be why thing would be in the spear. That's a good question.

Right? Because that's. Isn't it? It's Mexican Independence Day. Yes.

It's September. Yeah. Well, I don't think they have it set up. Like who? Mexicans like to count me as their own, so I might even be in the spirit.

Max Holloway
Who knows? They count you. Yeah. For your style. Yeah.

Yes, sir. Fuck, yeah. Yeah. Fuck. What a crazy night, Max.

Joe Rogan
What a crazy night. And to have that happen again, like, where there's two amazing fights after yours. Oh, yeah. And everybody's still just talking about your. Yeah, I know.

Max Holloway
I was. I mean, even with the. I remember as soon as the fight happened, you know, a couple minutes after, my. My agent, Tim Simpson, came in, and he told me, he's like, brother, they just put your knockout on top of. On top of Instagram, on YouTube and everything.

I was like, what? They never do that. Yeah, they never did that. They only did this for. They only did it for sugar.

And I was like, what? This is crazy. So we saw. I thought it was lying, you know, and they saw it was there three. Different angles, and I reposted it.

Yeah. I was like, if UFC's posting this, I'm posting this shit, too. Like, this is the craziest knockout of all time, bro. The craziest angle is the one when they paused me, and then they do a 360 view, and then they play it again. I'm like, bro, that's insane, bro.

Joe Rogan
Yeah. What does it feel like when it's all over? Does it feel like a dream? Like, what does it feel like when it's over, brother? I stay.

Max Holloway
I. You know, like, I stood. I'm still getting used to it. I don't even know. You know, I feel normal.

I stood. Life stood normal. But, like, I'm getting. Brother, walking down 6th street last night to get. Go get my dinner.

I was getting harassed. Like, not harassed, like, nicely harassed, but, like, people. Like, yeah, yeah. Like, I. You're getting.

I always get noticed, but, like, these guys, like, it's, uh. It's out and about way more, you know? And so it's just amazing, bro. Even, like, guys who don't even look like they watch fighting, you know, grandmas and grandpa's at airports, like, hey, you're. You're the guy.

Yeah, I'm the guy. Well, that clip got so viral, too, you know? That clip was so viral, it was everywhere. Was tick tock and YouTube, bro. We, uh.

My someone mother agent on our team, Daniel, he did like, he's like a numbers guy or whatever. And the Google. The Google search on me was, like, crazy, bro. I think so. I think so is in, like, the billions.

Like, after. After. It was insane. It was something stupid. I was like, oh, wow.

I didn't even know you could look that up. I told him, yeah. That's what makes it very interesting for your next fight, because your next fight is gonna be huge. It's gonna be huge. Like, you're a fucking bona fide superstar now.

Joe Rogan
Like, your next fight is gonna be nuts. Can't wait, bro. Can't wait. I don't know who it is, who it was, what. What the UFC want to do, but, like you said, that option, bro, in this game, you all.

And there's so many options in your area, too, right? Like, Suga has been talking about fighting Taporea at 45. Well, if Suga's willing to fight Taporea at 45, he's willing fight Max at 45, right? Yeah. Crazy.

Crazy matchups all over the place. In a perfect world, you actually. In a perfect world, you know, I mean. Yeah, in a perfect world, if I could have, in my way, I'd be stupid to not say to fight Connor, you know, I think that caught that Connor fight would be huge. Whatever.

Max Holloway
But we don't know what he's gonna do. So, like, if that's out, in a perfect world, to me, would be fight Ilya 45 title, get my hand raised, and whoever's the next guy up at 55, fight them, try and go for double champ status, whatever it is, or even cheap belts, you know, like, 45, the BMF, and then put it. Put the BMF in the 55 against whoever had 55, and I'd be. That'd be surreal. You know?

I think I'd be crazy. Well, there's a crazy option, too. If they'd really do this Connor 165 title, there's an option of you being a three champ. That'd be insane. If they did, the 165 would be fun.

It'll be fun. You'd have to cut any weight. Oh, no. Eat sushi every day. Sushi?

I'll eat sushi way in there. On the scale, what is, what is. Your walk around weight? Like, what's right now? Me, right now I walk around like before I used to get to a big boy, but now I walk around like 70, 75.

Nothing crazy. Oh, that's not too crazy. Yeah, nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. I was in there against, they make us check our weight now.

And I was only 172 when we went in against Gaethje. When you were fighting at featherweight, what did you weigh in when you fought? I would be around like 65. I'd get up high sixties, maybe 68 at the highest. So did you.

Joe Rogan
I know you did a lot of strength and conditioning. Your YouTube channel is great, by the way. Oh, thank you. And it's really cool how you document pretty much everything you're showing, all your training, all the different stuff. So you did a lot of strength and conditioning?

Max Holloway
We did a lot of strength. We did a lot of strength. So a lot of people was talking about matching Geechee strength. And I, our team didn't want to, we wanted to be strong, but we still wanted to be fast. We knew we was faster than Gaethje.

So our main focus, everybody thought it was strength and getting big to be strong and to, of course, endure his strikes, you know, but the main thing that we wanted to focus on was speed. Like, I knew I could, I could outgun him. And then in the fifth round, when we really hurt him, hurt him, I outgunned him with speed. You know, I hit like, I hit him with like five, five hits. And, and the one that you don't see hurt you the most, you know, and the last right hand.

And that in that little combination early in the fifth round is what hurt him the most, you know, made him like, I stunned him a little bit. So we're just working on speed, rather. You know, like we had twelve weeks. You really can't, I wasn't willing to give, to put strength, to give up conditioning. So I was like, I'm going to be speed and condition and that's the way I fight.

You know, I, if you go look at it, a lot of people is looking at stats for minds in his fight about like the, how much he's chosen strikes and how much I throw in strikes, how much, how much he gets hit, which was less than how much I get hit. And I was like, brother, that cannot be right. And then the stats is, you know, and I'm like, no way. And when you look at the stats, this guy had twelve fights, and I had like 20 plus fights in the UFC. That's what come our stats is so close to each other because I had so much more fights than his.

And then even that what. I had a lot of time in the octagon and he just didn't. Cuz he would, he would knock guys out, you know, he had that beautiful power. So, you know, at the end of the day, like, you know, the numbers, some of the numbers that these guys are putting out there, I was like, brother, you guys need to do your homework, you know? Yeah.

Stop looking at the surface level, like, start digging deep into it. Yeah. It was interesting that what you just said about strength and conditioning. You're not willing to give up conditioning for strength. So how do you approach that?

Joe Rogan
Like, when you made a decision to go to 55. So the Poirier fight, you go to 55, but you did it on pretty short notice, right? Yeah, yeah, we had like. So the way we train is I always take two weeks off before fight. So it was like six weeks and then, so we actually had four weeks to train for them.

Max Holloway
And I was like, I mean, put the picture of Poirier punching me in my face. There's a famous picture of poirier punching my face. Explain that. When you said, do you take two weeks off before the fight? What do you mean?

So, like, like strain and conditioning. So I don't do no strain conditioning, like the week before the fight. Like, maybe we do like a little lift, whatever, but it's just something you maintain, like. Cause you can't get faster or stronger two weeks before fight, or even the week. Right.

So even with cardio, it's not gonna. Anything I do the week before the fight is not gonna help me. And anything I do the week of the fight is not gonna help me. You. All the hard work is done, right?

And that's what these guys. Yeah, look. Look how fat I was. Look at that top right one. That top right one right there.

Look how fat I was. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, that's muffin top max, brother. So you just. He zooms in.

Wow. Wow. You're an asshole, huh?

Joe Rogan
So you only had four weeks, and there's no way you could put on that amount of muscle in four weeks. Or anything, you know? And I was like. And I didn't, uh, I didn't have my beautiful wife at the time, so, you know, Emils was crazy. Before her.

Max Holloway
I ate out every night. I was terrible. Now she cooks me, now she keeps me clean. So it is what it is. You know, I hate using experience excuses because, you know, Dustin, I came out there and fought hard, and we fought hard, and I ain't taking nothing away from Dustin.

So whatever I did was on me. And, you know, if that fight. If we get a third one, then I think it would be a pretty fun one. Oh, it'd be amazing. That would be wild.

Joe Rogan
A third fight between you guys would be wild. Especially if he beats Islam. If he beats Islam? That'd be crazy. That's a no brainer.

Max Holloway
How much is the odds on betting on him dropping a ghillie? He's gonna try. You know, I didn't know that he was referencing William Montgomery, the comedian, when he. I ain't never gonna stop. That's what he was doing.

Joe Rogan
He was doing William Montgomery from kill Tony. I didn't know. And I'm a friends with William Montgomery. I love that dude. You're not a good friend, ninja.

Max Holloway
What the hell? You know? I felt like a bad friend. But really, what it is, is like, when I'm doing an interview after such a crazy fight like that. Interviews are complicated.

You're locked in, bro. I'm trying to get this guy to express himself as much as possible. I'm trying to stay out of the way, but I'm also trying to ask questions, and so I didn't pick up on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Plus, I didn't.

Joe Rogan
I was like, no way. Yeah, you're locked in, bro. You're locked in. But Tony texted me. He goes, did he just quote William Montgomery?

I'm like, no way. Really? Is that what that was? And then. And then Willie texted you, fuck you.

Max Holloway
Right? No, they had been going back and forth. He. Apparently, Dustin told him he was gonna say it in his post fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan
They've been dming each other. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, bro. Dustin. Dustin's the man, bro.

Yeah. Now, he had been pressuring you. There had been moments in the fight where you chose to jump to guard. And try to grab a guillotine. Yeah, I'll do it.

Never stop doing it.

Max Holloway
He's one of the good guys in our sport. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. I love Dustin. I love Dustin.

Joe Rogan
And I was glad for him to get that. That win over Ben was. Antoni is a monster. Monster killer, bro. He's a killer, bro.

Yeah. And that's another fight. Right? Look, Stani gets staff. Yeah.

So he's got staff on his forehead. He's got to take antibiotics, drain if you ever had staff? No, bro. Knock on wood. That's amazing.

Max Holloway
Yeah. How did you avoid it, brother? I'm clean. I guess. I guess.

I guess some guys are some dirty mother efforts, I think, you know. Well, you get stuff easy. You get staff easy. Now I know, I know some guys, some. And once is in your, in your system, you just, it just got to get.

We awakened, right? So it's one of our friends, like, he's pretty bad with, like, he's always got stuff like every other week feels like. Oh really? Yeah, it's terrible. Yes.

Joe Rogan
Take showers, brother. He does, he does everything. I don't know what it is. It's just bad luck. I think another thing is like, people mistakenly use antibacterial soap.

Like, you don't want antibacterial soap. You want to keep your healthy gut floor. I tell everybody. I don't. I know the guy owns the company.

I have no affiliation with it. But defense soap, if you're a grappler, it's the shit. Defense soap is all natural. It's like tea tree oil, eucalyptus oil. And he has all kinds of products, everything from stuff to clean, like wipes.

If you can't, like get to a shower quick enough, if, you know, if you're training in a place that's kind of dingy and doesn't have a shower, they have wipes until you get home, they have soaps and ointments. That's the most crazy thing, bro. Right? When people like, I see people like, we train and then we have a shower at the gym and some of them just like change their clothes and like, I gotta go. I was like, what the hell?

Max Holloway
Did you shower? I said, no, no, I gotta leave. I was like, the hell? No way. You know, like, I live like 45 minutes.

Some, some of them live like maybe 15 minutes. But 15 minutes is enough for a ringworm or something to fucking wake up, you know? So it's like, brother, just jump in there and get a rinse off. Yeah, I've had ringworm. I've had staff twice.

Joe Rogan
I've had ringworm a couple of times. It's annoying. It's annoying. Oh, ringworm is irritating. The defense soap is the shit.

I tell everybody, get on that and it doesn't mess up. Cause it's all natural. It's like tea tree oil and eucalyptus oil and smells good, but it doesn't fuck up your skin floor. I knew this dude who had ringworm and so he started using antibacterial soap and he got it everywhere. It spread over his chest.

Max Holloway
And then what it does to. It burns your skin. Yeah. So, like, so, like, when you use that kind of stuff with ringworm, I remember people used to, like, bleach them and then you'd be bleached. You'd have a bleach circle.

Yeah. Like a burn. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, psycho dudes use bleach. That's a crazy move.

Joe Rogan
Pour bleach on an open wound, like, what the fuck are you. What are you doing, man? So for this fight, how much notice did you have that you were gonna fight at 55 and that you were gonna fight Justin brother? So there. There is an idea.

Max Holloway
Maybe. Maybe it doesn't happen for a while, but we didn't know. And then we got. We got confirmed, I think was like ten to twelve weeks, you know, like, I don't know what it was. So it was like ten to twelve weeks.

So it was like more than enough time. This is. We had so much time, brother. We was planning. I got the train, I got the lift.

I was already. We was training a lot. My last. I was in August. So I was in.

I was in the gym training, getting ready, brother. After the vocals, after the Vulcan Islam to fight, I was like, there is no way they're letting this guy turn around. So I really thought they was gonna try and ask me, Mia, to go fight Ilya in January or something. I went to Toronto. I fought in Toronto twice.

I want an intro. I defended the belt there. I have a following in Toronto. I call it a 10th island. You know, I like to call it, but I love the Canadians, but they're literally the best.

So I was thinking, like, man, they would. We're gonna get caught, you know, like, there's. There's no way that he's gonna fight. And then he did. They dis.

Moved it from January to February. They put the other card, whatever. They switched it around. So we was. I was already training and then.

Yeah, I couldn't tell you when, but I knew we had at least twelve weeks. At least twelve weeks. When did you know that it was gonna be 55 and when did you know it was gonna be for the BMF belt? So had you already had a plan to put weight on? Do you already have a plan?

Joe Rogan
Like, strength and conditioning plan? And for sure, as soon as we. As soon as the talks of maybe we might even fight Gaethje at all was like, we just got it. We. Our plan was.

Max Holloway
What I said was like, we got to put on size to endure damage, but then let's not lose this speed, that was my head coach, Darren Yap, a tactical straight, the best training condition in all of Hawaii. And if somebody got a problem, then they can, they can meet me somewhere, anywhere, you know. But, you know, all jokes aside, he's the, he's the man, bro. And he's the one that was like, yeah, you know, like, I like, look, I know you want to get strong. Max, he's the one that came up with is like, I know you want to get stronger, but we still need your speed, bro.

We still need your speed. And we got out work. This guy, you know, like, oh, he always weaponized my cardio. Like, brother, whoever we fight, you're gonna outwork them. So let's just get your speed up, stay fast, get a little bit bigger without being too much to get to it.

He didn't. He was a main one. He's like, I don't want to give up strength. I don't want to give up conditioning for strength, brother. Like, because the idea is the more muscle you have, the more endurance it's going to require.

Yeah. And especially, like, even with everybody, like, I train with bigger guys, you know, here and there, and I never, ever once felt like, holy shit, this guy is so much stronger than me. Like, I never, ever once felt that way. You know, you hear these talks of some people saying, oh, this guy's pretty strong. So I try to go with him.

I was like, he's alright. You know, it's not like, oh, my God, he's gonna be strong. So I felt like I know how to fight to my strengths, I guess. Like, yeah, he might be physically stronger than me, but I know certain techniques or certain ways to put my body that I can get away with how strong I am and not make him feel as strong as he is, you know, and that's what it is, you know, I keep telling a lot of these, a lot of these MMA guys are just people coming up. Even my amateur, that our amateur fighters that's coming up, I just keep telling them, like, brother, there's no difference between me and you.

The only difference is my experience, you know, like, that even with. Even with UFC fighters, you know, like, the only difference between top 15 and top ten is experience and their mindset, you know, top ten to five, experience, mindset, five to championship, same thing. And then the champion and maybe like, the top three guys after that is like, it's just a mind. It's a mind thing, brother. Shit is easy.

Most of these things that it's hard is because you make it hard. A lot of guys make it hard for themselves. I'm like, what are you doing? You're beating yourself up for what this is just fucking practice. Get better.

You know what I mean? That's all you gotta do. Stop. Stop beating yourself up and. But you have a great mentality for that.

Joe Rogan
You're able to, like, go past losses easily. It is what it is, and you keep moving, and you're on the path. But for some people, like, losses are devastating because their whole identity is based on success. Yeah. And if they don't get success, then they feel like they're a loser.

Max Holloway
But even with that, the whole identity thing, that's what it is. Like, even with, like, you see guys with retiring from other sports or our sport, like, they have the identity crisis because they're so known for one thing, and then that's gonna tell them, like, that's come. I love doing other stuff, like people, bro. Oh, my God. I stream on stream on kick now.

I stream on kick calm. And, brother, I. During the whole fight, I'm streaming, they're like, yup, thank you for this, Max. I'm putting my house on Gaethje now. She's training while you playing fucking video games.

I'm like, what the fuck? I was like, bro, I need to be training for 24 hours of the day like a fucking cyborg or something. What the hell? Like, yep, yep, yep. You.

Yeah, look at you over here. I freaking. I do slots on there, you know? Again with, like, we play funny. Like, yep.

Look at you doing this shit, losing money. You're gonna lose your fight, too. I'm like. Like, you can't catch a break. Those are just losers.

Joe Rogan
Unfortunately, I don't mean anything bad to you guys out there, but if you're commenting to a guy like that, you're a loser. There's no way you're a winner. It's not possible. It's not possible that you're excelling at whatever you do. No one comes to you.

Like, that's Mike. He's the best. No one. No chance. If you're commenting like that on people, you're just.

You're a loser. And that's unfortunate. I've been a loser in my life. You know, it's. It's a.

It's common. Yeah, it's common, but you're a losers. Don't think that way. And the idea that a guy can't play some video games and unwind while he's in the middle of camp, you're out of your fucking mind. You don't understand.

Max Holloway
Yeah, brother. Say what you're talking about. Like I said, I like talking to mighty because mighty mean, mighty didn't interview. Mighty's the best. Yeah, he's the man.

And he was just telling me, like, it's so funny because every time I tell everybody, like, fighting is easy, like, a lot of people look at me crazy. They're like, what you mean? See, I was like, bro, anything you do in life is easy. It's just that you make it hard. A lot of assholes make it hard for themselves.

Like, it's actually pretty easy, you know, it's like if you look at the steps, these are the steps. Yeah. You might fall down in the sense of. In the sense of actually getting it done. It's going to be hard work, but it's easy because you know what you got to do, right?

And I told mighty, when I told money about fighting, mighty was the first guy ever that said like, bro, that's what I tell everybody. I tell, fighting is easy. I was like, holy shit, if the MMA goat is telling you fighting is easy, stop harassing me. Go harass him. You know what I mean?

Go tell him. He said it, too. I think it's easy for you, and I think it's easy for mighty because you guys are real champions. You have this champion mindset and that's what people need to learn. They need to learn a mindset for improvement, a mindset for getting better at things, and a mindset for staying positive, 100%.

Joe Rogan
That's what it said. That's really what it's about. You can apply that to anything in life. So a guy like you, that's a champion in MMA, you could do anything, man. All you need is just like, whatever that thing is, focus on that thing.

And if you put the same kind of attention on that thing that you put on your MMA career. Oh, yeah, as I told, I tell everybody, I told. It's so funny. Whenever me and my, me and my wife always, I was like, you so lucky I wasn't a surfer. I would have been a world champion surfer.

Max Holloway
I'm bad at surfing, okay, I'm bad. But I thought. But you're lucky that I don't put my effort into it because I want to be badass. Yeah, I'm sure. And that's a fact.

Joe Rogan
How did you get so good at that jump spinning back kick, brother. Just practice, bro. I did. Anybody show? Do you remember?

Max Holloway
Do you remember me telling you it was here. It's a viral clip about me learning strikes in the game. That's one of the strikes. Yeah, that's one of the strikes, brother. I saw the strikes in the game.

I like, nice. I was like, with Dustin Kimura, I told him, brother, we need to do this spinning back kick. Shit. Yeah. It's just so good.

And it's a secret weapon. And the thing is funny. Cause in the game, I was throwing it close. Like, a lot of people throw it from distance, but I throw it real close, like, almost in clinch. That's why I asked.

Yeah. And I told him, like, bro, this is gonna be secret weapon. I remember Dustin Kimura. He was in the UFC for a little bit, and, um. And I.

And I was trying to make him practice it with me. He's. He. I remember him saying one time, like, fuck this kick. This kick is stupid as hell.

And then, uh, we kept practicing. Kept practicing. Another guy, a big guy, came down, trained us, and he dropped him on his being back kicked and from the clinch. Right. And I was like, what?

I told you, brother. I told you. This fucking kick is a secret weapon. How are you practicing it close up? What's a dream?

We would just stand close. I was like, bro, like, I wish I'd get my timing from. From it being a distance first, and then we'd be like, live it closer and be like, bro, we got. All we got to focus on is bringing our knee up and. And then pushing it out at the last second.

The main thing was just bring your knee up and snapping your head around. Snap your head around first, see where you land so you don't kick each other in the freaking groin area, because it happened a couple times. Yes. To me and him, so. But, yeah, it was like bringing you up high.

Look, and it's. And then push it. Do you ever practice where you stand right next to the bag? Yeah, I practice on the bag with. Yeah, try to just jumps back.

Jump back, and I create my distance from. Jump. Me jumping away from the bag and stabbing. Exactly. If you can develop that, that is a secret weapon because it's one of those techniques.

Joe Rogan
It's like, you remember when the calf kick came along. Everybody's got to throw a calf kick. If you could develop that. Yair has it. Yair does it really well.

But this was a giant moment in the beginning of the. Look how close you are. Look how close you are to be able to get that off from there and to hit him in the nose. His nose was gone. Yeah, it was brutal.

You shattered his nose at the very end of the first round, and from then on, what a fucking fight, man. I watched that fight at least ten times. No bullshit. At least. Awesome.

I watched it over and over again in the gym. I would lie to tell you if I didn't watch it that much. And, dude, I always pause. I always pause no matter what I'm doing. If I'm at the gym, I pause for that last 10 seconds just like this.

Like, how is this real? How is this real? You got that jump spinning back kick down, dude. You got it down in the most unusual way, which is this hop back and then throw it like Raymond Daniels does that really good. Even you, like, back in the day when it was a video game, and then I started looking at spinning back kicks.

Max Holloway
There's a clip of you hitting a fucking kill in the bag, bro. Yeah, I was like, what the fuck did you get? Fight. I was like, what the hell is going on? This guy kill you with spinning back kicks?

Joe Rogan
This is only one clip of me in a taekwondo fight, and it's me knocking a dude out with a spinning back kick. Holy shit. And I sent him flying. But it's the same exact move. The guy's moving forward, and I just jump and spin at the same time.

It was the same move. Cause I was, like, in the air when I landed it. That's crazy. That was my favorite thing to do. So when I see a guy like you doing it from up close, and I know you learned how to fucking strike from video games, which is so cr.

When you told me that the first time, I was like, what? I thought, oh, we went to, like, a traditional karate school, and then he started studying at Muay Thai when he was ten. No, I saw cool stuff happening in the game. I was like, oh, bro, we could put this together in real life, bro. Dustin, we never have striking coach.

Max Holloway
You know, I didn't have Ivan yet. And then after their Connor fight is when Ivan. Ivan Flores joined my camp, so. And then with him, what, bro, Ivan is a genius. Like, he's like, rule.

Like, he really. He. Like. He loves the basic stuff, but then when I try to tell him or short and fancy stuff, or I see Muay Thai doing shit, like sweep the leg and, like, elbow and stuff or whatever, it's like. It's crazy, you know?

Like, even. Even this fight week, bro, like, if you watch the fight a bunch of times, I'm doing this right kick. I do this right kick, and then I just step over on my right hand or against Gaethje. Yes, I just saw. We saw that.

Like, we pry practice that. I do that a bunch of times in other fights, but then, like, two weeks before the fight, I. He sent me a clip on Instagram. Oh, look at this. Watch this.

And was. I forget who it was, but the guy, the moit, the way that guy was right kicking, he set up with a right low kick. Next one. Right low kick, right overhand, and, like, hurt and kills guys, but he's, like, downing guys with it. And I was like, holy shit.

We know. We know. Justin likes to, like, stay there after kicks to throw. So I was like, brother, this is gonna work on Justin. So we just kind of added in our game.

I told him, bro, I think I'm gonna throw this in the fight. He's like, yeah, let's practice it, you know? So I've. Ivan Flores is the man, bro. He's the man.

Joe Rogan
You have an amazing camp. Yeah. All my coaches the man. You really do have an amazing, amazing group of people. But you also.

It's the argument that a lot of guys have been making that a smaller camp is maybe better for some athletes. Cause there's a lot of guys who want to go to, like, att. But, you know, the guy, like, I talked to Jim Miller about this, and he said that he really started improving much more when he concentrated on himself and had a smaller camp and he stopped teaching. Yeah, I brought running his gym, and at the end of the day, these big camps, you know, like, even in Vegas, bro, like, I hear everybody going to Vegas and training, training, and, like, bro, like, one of the guys out there was telling me it's like the wild, wild west. So, like, how do you get better every day?

Max Holloway
You're going to train and disk knowing I might fight this guy, you know? I mean, I might. I might have to fight this guy, you know? Like, I have. I have guys my weight.

Some. Some guys my weight in my. In my class, and. And I told him, brother, like, like, I would tell him, like, if we ever got to the point where we're both in the UFC, we're fighting for freaking a lot of money. Like, you better sign that damn contract.

We done kill each other here. But you, my brother, you know, we done kill each other and stuff for free. You'd be stupid as hell to not take a fight against me in the UFC or whatever. But that's different from going to a big gym and, like, yeah, and. And actually being worried.

Like, I'm not worried, you know, if we fight, we fight. But, like, some of these guys, you go in there and fighting your. Your life, it's like a fight every day of the week, and that shit is gonna fucking like a mentally brother that is gonna beat you down every day, going like, oh, my God, I'm fighting for my life here. Oh, my God. Like, imagine, bro.

I feel. I feel fire. Like, everybody can call me a liar and whatever, but, bro, in the fight, I'm nervous as hell. In the back pro with the Justin fight. This last one, I was telling people, I was like, what the fuck?

What the fuck am I doing here? Why am I fighting? Justin? What the hell are you doing, Max? You know, like that, bro.

I'm not even lying. I'm in the back. I'm in the back thinking, like, fucking like, what are we doing? You told. You told me this is the last time.

What the hell? It's like now you're on USC. 300 fucking a million people gonna buy this pay per view. What the hell are you doing? And then as soon as the lights come on, I started hearing my song, and that's when it changes, you know?

Then it's like, it's cold time. It's like, nah, Max, you can't be fucking working. McDonald's making this much money. Let's go get this paper. You know, you gotta own McDonald's if you're making this much money, but you don't own shit.

Joe Rogan
So let's multiple McDonald's with your next one. Yeah, that was it. You know, so you gotta switch. Flip the switch. And then a lot of my coaches didn't know my walkout song was funny.

Max Holloway
Cuz they was like, is he gonna do it? Cuz they was waiting for me to walk up to Israel song, right? Come on. Could be all this. Are you gonna do it?

He's gonna do it. And then we walked up to Hawaiian. Hawaiian Superman. Maui. Hawaiian Superman.

So I loved it, but I think it was perfect. They made the. You was out there in the crowd. I don't know if you could see it. Oh, yeah.

On your screen. They made it look like the ocean, bro. They made. They made me look like it was the ocean. And the way we had to turn in our song so early, bro.

So, like, usually I can turn in my song, like, the week of the fight or the week before the fight walkout song. But Heidi hit us up, like, eight, six weeks out is like, hey, we need you guys walk outside now because we're trying to do something. And then that was what they did. They. The lights that was on the chairs that all the guys had, they made it.

They made it. Go to the song like, they made mine and look like, at the ocean, so it's like, wavy. But then Justin's one was sick, cuz, like, every time the beat hit the lights on, the stuff went up and, like, whatever. I was like, whoa, that's cool. So what was Justin's walkout song?

I forget, but it was a really good song, bro. I was. I liked it. It was a really good song. It has some banger walkout songs, man.

Joe Rogan
But poet on when that motherfucker walks. Out, I didn't even hear it. Is it crazy? He's the scariest motherfucker. When he walks out, because he stands there.

He walks out like this. Yeah, I know he stands. I never hit him.

He throws a couple of. He does his one to, bro. So you know what is funny? You know, I don't know if you ever watched that kid of, like, he mimics. Like, he mimics fights fighters yet a kid.

Max Holloway
So he was at the press conference, bro, and the whole fucking press conference, I see him and he's trying to 123123, bro. The whole time he got busted from. From a security guard to sit down. But the whole time that I watched him, he was throwing it. I was like, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan
Have you said mighty Mouse do everybody? No, no. Mighty Mouse. There's a video. I called him on.

Max Holloway
I said, why didn't you make mine? She's like, oh, bro, I got you. I got you. Next one. Yeah, he could do everybody.

Yeah. Yeah, he was good. But he's. He mimics everyone's style. He does Khabib, he does Connor.

Joe Rogan
He does. So who know? He does everybody. He's a beast, bro. Mindy Mouse is the goat.

Max Holloway
He's a man. When I say. When I say the best martial artist that I've ever seen in terms of, like, the expression of martial arts. He's my favorite. He's the bro.

If you. If you don't have him, if you don't have him on top, your. Your mma, rush, Mount war, whatever. Mount Rushmore. Yeah.

I think of my son when I said, rush. Mount Rushmore. But if you don't have him on it, you're just a hater. Yeah, you have to be hater. Everybody.

Everybody keep talking about, like, even that. Like, everybody keep talking about, like, oh, he's only 125. Okay.

Cc. It blinks. I'll notice in those names. What is that? I had this thing going.

Joe Rogan
Oh, so here's my good show, the mighty Mouse one, because that was. That's incredible. So here's mighty Mouse pretending to be Cejudo Strickland. So they switch about Strickland. Oh, it looks exactly like him.

Max Holloway
It's crazy.

McGregor. That is good, bro. Oh, my God. It's amazing.

Joe Rogan
Mighty bouncy. He does Adesanya, too. Yeah. Oh, look at this. Wow.

You hear Yuri pro hoskas talking about going down to 85. Is he? Yeah, he apparently didn't cut any weight for that fight. Yeah, yeah. Me and him is managed by the same guy.

Max Holloway
And that's what I heard, too. He's a wild boy, bro. Oh, did you not see that he was outside of UC 300? Yeah. At 04:00 in the morning.

Yeah, yeah. I started juicing on T Mobile. Yeah, yeah. And the fans are looking scared as hell to go.

Joe Rogan
That dude, he's so cool, bro. He's so cool, bro. Did you not see? He just freaking wanted. You know, he's the other one that wanted 200 bonus, right then his first post.

Max Holloway
I'm back home. I'm in my hut. How we doing, guys? Like, he lived, bro. He actually lives in that hut in the forest.

Does he really? Yeah, bro. He works out punching trees. Dudes out there throwing front kicks at trees and shit. Like, the guy.

The guy is unreal. The guy's unreal. Bill. Animal. He's.

Joe Rogan
Cuz rockets was putting it on him, man, and he was just melting rackets. There's some big dude. So, like, all fight week when I. When I went to the PI, Rocket was me. Rocket.

Max Holloway
And he'll. And these, bro, these big guys. Holy shit, you guys some big. Yeah, some big dudes. Yeah, they're huge.

Joe Rogan
And Yuri at 185 would be terrifying. He's got such a crazy style, man. I mean, there's no one that fights like that guy. Like, if you saw his silhouette, you would be able to tell instantly. That's pro hoska.

Max Holloway
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he does have hands down chin forward. You know, the fucking crazy hair. Yeah, he's samurai bun, bro. He's.

He. He just a sat. Brought out samurai spirit, bro. It's not a facade. No, he really got.

A guy stinks. Yeah, no, he's like. And he's a real bro. He's a real nice guy. Like, you ever talk story to him?

Joe Rogan
Yeah, I've talked to him. Well, he's so nice. He's very nice. He's very quiet. Like, he's a.

Max Holloway
His tone is very. Yeah, I'm good, brother. Yeah, like, like, bro, he's almost like. He's like the guy that you call to go kill somebody for you. Hitman, you know?

He's like, I need him in. Okay, brother. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So that fight was a wild fight, too.

Joe Rogan
It's like, there's so many fights that got lost. The. The fight, your fight, especially that knockout, was so crazy that people forgot that you fucked dustin up the first part of the fifth round. Like, I kind of forgot about it until I watched it again. I was like, oh, yeah, almost hurt him.

Max Holloway
Yeah, almost hurt him. But, you know. Oh, you heard him. Even. Even when I called my dad, you know, and you're gonna love this one.

But then I went like this, and then when I was. When I was flooring him, everybody, even in every round, every time I heard him, I'd come in, I'll do a little bit, and if it didn't put him down or hurt him more, I just backed off, because everybody's like, why is he not attacking? Why is he not attacking? I'm like, brother, every time I heard him, he had the craziest look in his eyes, brother. And one time, he said, let's get it on.

So I was okay. You know? I was like, nah, I'm okay, brother. I'm here. I'm gonna keep picking you.

You know? He did. He did. But all jokes inside, he did have the craziest look in his eyes, brother. It was.

It was crazy. Like I'd heard. I was like, why are you even standing, bro? You know? Like.

And then I just think, yeah, you're right. You're Justin Gaethje. Yeah. You're a freaking highlight, you know? So.

Joe Rogan
Well, he said the wildest shit before the fight, said, I don't make plans after my fights because I don't plan on being here. Being here. Yeah. When I saw that, I was like, what the. Is this guy human?

Max Holloway
You know what I mean? How the hell did he get led into Wakanda? It's not a very Wakanda mindset, you know?

Joe Rogan
Oh. There's one thing that has come up that I think we probably should talk about, and it's the Pajeda Jamal Hill knockout. And it's an interesting thing that was brought up, and I didn't think anything of it at the time. And then I watched it again. I was like, hmm, there's kind of a point there.

And the point is, Jamal accidentally hits him low. He, like, kicks him in the hip, and Herb Dean comes in to stop it, and then he does the super gangster thing. But in the meantime, Jamal has stopped and relaxed. After he threw the kick, he gives him a thumbs up like, you cool. And then Pereda does it.

And then Perjeda advances, and then Herb is to the left. So it's like he can't even move too much to the left, and all of a sudden, he's on him, and he hits him with that left. And I think Jamal saying, I would have never let him that close to me if it wasn't for that nutshot. And I didn't know exactly what was going on, so Herb had stopped it. Herb is out of his field of vision.

Herb is over here. So when Herb's doing this, I don't know what he said. I don't know. See if we could watch it, cuz. He stayed.

Max Holloway
He stayed. I think so. I think so. I know what you're saying. Cause even there, like, he stands there and, like, kind of, like.

Like half. Half, like, touch gloves with him, right? And then, like. And. And Alex is, like, using a touch glove to step in to get.

And then Alex chose the left. Alex steps on his foot. Yeah, yeah. Steps on his foot. I stole.

That's old boxing. Boxing ship. Yeah. So he steps on his front foot and then hits him with that left hook from hell. His left hook is a crazy weapon, man.

But the team don't even look hard. It's crazy. Tell me not. It just looks like. And then when did you not see the jolt that it sent down his body?

Yeah, he almost did a. Was he the one that knocked out Johnny Walker? Yeah. Yeah, he almost did the. Johnny Walker.

Like, his body, like, kind of extended. I was kind of crazy. Crazy. Wow. It is a glancing blow.

Glancing, brother. And it was like. Was even a hook. Was like an uppercut. Like a shovel hook.

Joe Rogan
Yeah, like a mexican hook. The way he lands it, man. You don't give a shit, bro. The fight that he got before he fought in the UFC, did you ever see that one? No.

Is the most vicious left hook knockout of all time. He hits a dude with a high kick. The guy blocks it. He steps. The guy stabs.

Whack. He just cleanly. You know, he's got that long frame. He's so long, and there's all this torque. And he just torques his whole body and whips across it.

Sounds like a. Like a baseball bat hitting a watermelon. Just whop. And the dude just drops face hard. People just have that kind of power, right?

His power is crazy. He punched that, the machine. 191. How much is a spinning back kick? One.

Did you never kick to a spinning back? But with a roundhouse kick, I got to 152. That's crazy. But the difference between that and 190 with one here it is. Eclipse.

Now let's. Let's back it up again, cuz. Let's make the argument. Let's see what happens. So go all the way to the nut shot.

So here's the nutshot. So now I watch. Watch Jamal. Jamal stops. Watch his legs.

His legs lock up. He's relaxed. He gives a thumbs up. We cool? We cool.

And he touches herb. So now they're back at it. Look at his stance. He's ready to speaker two. Yeah.

Perjeda has never relaxed, so there's time has gone on where this is a little. We're doing it in slow motion, right? Let's do it in real speed. So here we see this zo. You know, the fight had restarted the fight, everybody.

But would that have. Would that position have taken place if it wasn't for Jamal? Relaxing? Yeah. You giving him the thumbs up, so.

Max Holloway
You know, like, not his fight. So my fight, the number one thing when I was going with Justin was just beyond all the time, right? Like, just fucking Max that I was just in the back thumb. I saw. Mentally, physically, you need to be here every fucking second, right?

Every millisecond, brother, which is a crazy thing, because you won once. One millisecond off, lights can turn off. Max. You need to be on. So that was the main thing that I was telling myself the whole fight, you know, like, with that.

Like, if I was in a situation, I don't know what the. I would have fucking. I would have told her, motherfucker. Are we going? Like, I would have been like, come on.

I would have been ready. You know, like, it's protect yourself at all times. You know, there is a weird millisecond where no one knows what's going on. Yeah. And when Pajeda is still moving, but Pettis in.

Look at PETA. He's that milaseca. He stayed like, he's gonna born area. So watch it again. Watch it again.

Joe Rogan
So the low kick, and then as Jamal stop it. Go all the way from the beginning. Watch this. So when Jamal lands the kick, he touches up, and then he makes. Look at the distance.

He closes the distance, but back it up again. So you see the distance that Jamal's maintaining initially. Then he throws the kick. Now, watch this. They pause.

Jamal, thumbs up. But Pajita has closed the gap now. Right there. Glow. Close.

Max Holloway
He is. He's closed the gap a lot more than Jamal probably would have let him know. It's a mistake by Jamal. Protect yourself at all times. But also, it does seem like there's a moment of confusion.

There is. There is. Because he does close that distance. He does, bro. Significantly.

Joe Rogan
It's like a double step. Watch from here today. Hops into. Look right there. Hop, hop.

Max Holloway
Yeah. And you're in the danger zone. That's fucking Kenny Rogers or Kenny loggins highway to the danger zone. And so once he does that, that little hop in, he takes advantage of that moment to close the gap. The left hook is so clean, bro.

Look at this. So he doesn't stop when Herb stops him. He closes. When he puts her to a. He closes.

He close the distance. And then to stop. Yeah, yeah. Or during that time. Watch it.

Joe Rogan
This. Yeah. So he touches it. You hop. Close the distance while Jamal's legs are straight.

Max Holloway
Yeah. So Jamal gives him the thumbs up, and Perheda had a double hop. Yeah. And. And Jamal didn't know.

Joe Rogan
Yeah. This is a. This is a real moment. Now, I'm not making any excuses for Jamal. And Jamal can take a loss as good as anybody.

And after the Paul Craig fight, he's like, I fucked up. He got me. This is it. But he's got a point here. It's not a perfect point because they had engaged again.

Max Holloway
But I know what you mean. Pejeda had closed that gap to a point where Jamal was not letting him do that early. But then again, like, you know, playing devil advocate, you know, nothing but love for Jamal. But fuck, bro, you just. You need to be locked in there.

You need a fuckers, you know, like, you're fighting. And another dangerous man, the man across you that, you know, you. Each other, you guys land one good shot, you guys both can put each other away. It's like. I don't know, bro.

Because at the end of the day. It'S a mistake on his part with her. Like, it sucks, you know, like, how much times do we hear freaking judge or even a ref screwing up the fight? You know? I mean, so it's like, you need to, like anybody.

Fighters, amateur level, pro level, the best fighters in the world, whatever it is, don't. Don't. Don't put it in these guys hands, man. I mean, it's easier said than done, but don't leave it, you know, like, it. Just be aware, you know, like, you do have a third man in there.

They are supposed to be looking out for you. But how much time do we see where sometimes it. That's just not the case, or it's just too early, you know? So at the end of the day, fuck, it sucks. But what you gonna do there, you know what I mean, like, all we're gonna do is we're gonna have this kind of talks and arguments, and he's gonna have arguments and stuff, and nothing's gonna get changed.

Joe Rogan
But here's the question, like, what is the protocol when a referee steps in and says, stop? Because there's. Even with him, tell him stop. The protocol should have been like, okay, separate. Okay, whatever.

Max Holloway
Go back to the middle. Like, you pushed him against the cage, whatever. And we saw you hop. Okay, you want me to stuff back up a little bit? Let's let me go.

He needs to still go in the middle of them and be, okay, fight. Right. You can't be like, get stopped, and then you moved off to the side. Okay, fight. Fight to here.

Because if. If what's his name, Jamal couldn't see him. I can understand, like, in his peripherals, like, he's just focused, you know, and then maybe stuff stays fighting. I'm just focused on you, like, okay, what's going on? You know?

Joe Rogan
Right. There's. There's definitely an argument that if you're going to do that and you're going to stop a fight momentarily, even if you're gonna restart it, you have to understand that the momentum has stopped. Things have changed. And if one guy does this and hops in during that time, you kind of have to step and separate them and then engage the engage.

He goes off to the side. But now the argument against that that I've heard is that this happens all the times where fighters get kicked and the referee says, hold on. The fighter says, I'm fine. And then they let him keep going. So maybe that's a good argument, too, that Jamal should have been more prepared, but it seems like he had actually told them to stop, and that's when Jamal did this.

Or, excuse me, Alex did this. So is that up to the fighter? What are the rules? Yeah, what are the rules? Like, when the referee says, stop, are the fighters allowed to say, no, I'm fine?

Or are they supposed to address the referee and say, I'm fine? Yeah. He says, time, and he puts his hand up. And now where's Herb Dean? Heard Herb Dean moves away.

Jamal does not have eyes on him. Yeah, yeah. He looking at cuz he's not trying to get cracked. Jamal does it, but Alex is much closer to them. To him.

Max Holloway
Yeah, he's much closer. And nobody. But look at the angle that he takes, too. Like Alex is. Alex is cutting off the cage there.

Joe Rogan
Yeah, he's cute. You push him to his right to cut off the cage. And Herb is right. Yeah. Jamal's left.

Max Holloway
Yeah, look at that. That was. It's beautiful. Beautiful. That's crazy.

Joe Rogan
He's a monster. Yeah, that guy's a monster. I was telling everybody about that guy when he was in glory. I remember when they were saying he was coming over to the UFC, I was like, I told DC, I go, dude, get ready for this motherfucker. This motherfucker puts people into orbit, brother.

Max Holloway
He's got crazy power, brother. The wormholes, bro. Universe, different universes. You wake up on the other side. He might have actually, you know, since we're talking about Wakanda, he might be, like, a doctor.

Strange guy. He might have the ring on, bro. Look underneath his glove or something. That's what's happening, bro. Well, what he is is a real Amazon warrior.

Joe Rogan
Like, that's his genie, his gene. Yeah, you see him, bro? You see him go back to his village? Yeah, we're all painted up and stuff. Like a leopard.

Max Holloway
Yeah, bro. Guys, G. Bro, he's a real deal. He's a real deal. He's a man.

Joe Rogan
How the fuck was he ever making 185 is the big question. And how much do you think that compromised his chin when he went down? A lot, bro. So the thing is, you know. You know what is crazy?

You know, here's the walk, bro. That shit is terrifying. Look at his eyes, man, and everybody just love. And he told Jamal, when I make my walk in, then you'll think about all these things you said. Yeah, he did.

Max Holloway
Ha. And the whole audience yells out, ha. With him. Look at Jamal, though. He caught the.

Did you see in the other angle? He caught the arrow. He broke it. Yeah, that was cool. Jamal was telling me when I talked to him about it, he said he feels like he was winning that fight.

Joe Rogan
He said he was implementing his strategy. He was. He landed that one good right hook in the first round, and he felt like he was on his way. He felt like he was doing everything he wanted to do, not letting that dude get close, but that thing fucked him up. I mean, that is a real.

There's a real moment there. That's a sport, right? Like, you know, it's funny, brother. You know, like, you know, nothing to Jamal, whatever. But what is crazy is that when I read.

Max Holloway
When I read, I see comments, I see people talking about our fight, and, like, guys, like, bringing up, like, oh, yeah. Just imagine. Imagine if Justin didn't break his nose. It would have been a whole different fight. I'm like, well, thank the lord I land my spinning back here, cuz.

He's broken. If you didn't knock. Yeah. Oh. Or just imagine if I broke my ankle walking into the freaking octagon.

There's so much stuff. I'm like, what are you like? People are so crazy. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, just enjoy it.

Why can't you guys enjoy it? Why can't you guys let have other people have stuff, you know? Like, why can't we have nice stuff? This is why we can't have good things again. It's just losers, you know?

Joe Rogan
You think Michael Jordan's leaving YouTube comments? No, it's winners don't have time for that shit. But that's also part of the game. You're gonna have to deal with those people. How anybody could say, imagine if you didn't land something that you landed, that you planned for, that you executed.

That's very hard to pull off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A spinning back kick where you literally ride in front of each other like that, and you landed to his face. Yeah, bro. We knew he was on duck looking for a time, you know?

Yeah, it was perfect. It was perfect. And it was such a great moment on that night. Night. Because that night was magical.

Max Holloway
Three, bro. UFC three. My head is still not wrapped around it. You know, like how you said, how do I feel? I don't know how I feel yet, because it stood not right.

Like, right to have that, to be one of the guys to. It started from all the way outside of fight, brother. Somebody asked me to get the belt wrapped around Mark Coleman. Like, when they asked me who I think, and I said, mark Coleman, you know, I'm like, bro, he's the guy. He.

His fought his house with his fires and stuff. Just happens. I was like, he's the man. And then to it being UFC 300 to two, us getting Axel. What about the.

How much should the freakin bonuses be? And I'm fucking screaming, Trinity, KK and Dustin, Dustin and freaking Dana to be like, 300k, I'd like, holy shit. And to win both the bonuses, it was this crazy. And then tap the. Like you said, bro, that's a movie finish brought to the.

To hit him with an over. To hit the. It was like a David versus Goliath kind of. Kind of story going against him, you know? And then to hit him with that overhand is like me hitting.

Hitting him with the slingshot, you know, so. And the rock at the perfect place. Perfect time. Yeah, the perfect. Bro, this is UFC 300.

Nobody's event getting put together is. This is not gonna top nothing to 400. And we don't even know if we're just gonna top it, you know? I mean, like, right? We don't know.

Joe Rogan
We don't know. But it's gonna be almost impossible to top that. Like, every card after that, you look at the card, you're like, yeah, it's okay. Yeah, I know. It's crazy.

Max Holloway
It's crazy. And then a lot of people. And then, bro Danoit is the. He's the ultimate troll, bro. I love.

I love Dana white. Then when they troll people, when they. You saw the video. Yeah, brother. When he started video, you know how much people on top of that video, too, also did videos of me talking about how I was, like, under gun and pillow.

Pillow all the way. Pillow hands. Holloway is gonna get killed, and I am gonna be the first. Tony 2.0. Whatever.

I was like, brother. You guys just watching all their tones change, and now they're making money off of me. I should go write them all money and be like, everybody owe me 10% of YouTube. Freaking challenge. There's all these people that have these takes where they know what's gonna happen.

Joe Rogan
It's such a stupid thing to do. You don't know what's gonna happen. You could talk about someone strange. Yeah, you can talk about. You can have an opinion.

Max Holloway
But when people say stuff, I'm like, well, that's crazy. It's just dumb. It's just dumb. You know, you should talk about someone's skills and what they can do, and this could be a factor. And that could be a factor.

Joe Rogan
But to say this is going to happen, that is folly. That's a stupid way to look at things. There's not a chance in hell that, you know, when two world class martial artists fight, there's no chance. There's no chance. You know, I saw a lot of people doing that with the.

The. The fight this past weekend with. With Devin Haney. Yeah. Yeah.

Everybody was counting out. Ryan Garcia, so many people. Did you see how much he bet himself? $2 million. Can we do that on ourselves?

Max Holloway
What did he win? How much did he win? Million. It's a bet. 2 million to win.

12 million. And he paid what? And he paid $2.1 million in fees. So you want 10 million. So you pay 1.5 in fees.

Joe Rogan
Three pounds. He paid 1.52 to David, to Haney, because he said 500 every week. Right. Every pond. And he had to pay.

Max Holloway
And the extra 600 or 500 to the commission. Wow. So. So that's what. So it's like $2.1 million he had, bro, and he's like, and he better.

I don't give a shit. That's a wild boy. Yeah, boy, do that left hook. He has a thing of fast, bro. It's so fast.

Joe Rogan
So fast. It's so fast, bro, and it, and it's so fast, and it hits so hard. Cuz even did you see the way Haney, like, oh, not even. Not only Haney, but every time he lands it on anybody, they're like, yeah. They're like, they go, whoa.

Max Holloway
Yeah, they're getting like, shocked. It comes at you so much faster than other punches. It reminds me a lot of Roy Jones in his prime. Yeah, like Roy Jones junior in his prime, barely threw jabs, which is so crazy that a guy would be so fast that he could hit you with a leaping left hook because his jab. Was a leaping left hook.

Joe Rogan
You ever seen his biceps? The difference? Yeah, yeah, his left biceps, twice the size of his right bicep. It's nuts. He might have been, he might have been an arm wrestler then.

Max Holloway
Who knows? Roy Jones had the craziest style of all time. When he was in his prime. That dude was untouchable. Every fight was execution, bro.

Crazy body, head bangers, bro. He was so fast. He was the only guy in compubox history that didn't get a single punch, landed on him in a round. For real. Yeah, they fought Vinnie Pasienza didn't get.

A single punch in, and then he. Just put it on him. And then he tried to stop the fight himself. He looked at the referees like, stop this fight. And the referee's like, keep fighting.

Joe Rogan
He's like, all right. He goes like that. He does like that. He just tunes him up and kos. Bro, what a beast, bro, what a beast.

But if that left hook is a weapon, if you got a left hook like Ryan Garcia, like, my God, that thing's fast. Ryan at freakin Pereira. But how smart is Gervonta for making him go to 135 and then making, giving him a weight clause when you can't rehydrate more than ten pounds? Who's behind him? Who's behind him, brother?

Max Holloway
The money. Mayweather. That guy is smart, bro. That guy is a businessman. These guys are businessman.

Joe Rogan
That Floyd did to Canelo. Yeah, same exact thing and was more, you know, is more funny. Canelo them. Canelo them played into his game and said, no, you know what, we'll come down to this weight. He didn't ask.

Max Holloway
He was, he was gonna give them the extra five, but then with a weight clause, and they said, oh, you what? You want to come here? You can come here. And a weight clause, bro. Those guys, he's.

Bro. He's a businessman, bro. And you got, you got to respect it. Yes. You have to.

Joe Rogan
And for Gervonta, that was perfect because I would love to see Ryan Garcia, the one that we saw fully hydrated, against Devin Haney, against Gervonta. He's going to be a problem for everybody. He's going to be a problem. Speed is bananas. Yeah.

You're saying shadow box, like throw. Oh, yeah. Is this sped up? Oh, you so fast. Yeah, it's.

Max Holloway
It's. It's not fair. He might have one of the fastest left hooks I've ever seen, for sure. I mean, it's. It's right up there with everybody that, all the great left hookers of the past.

But he crazy thing is like, bro, he don't even bring it out. He just goes from right here. Right there. Whip. Like a whip.

Ah, it just kills guys. It has so much power from short, short distance. Just nothing. Just turns it over. And he can hit you with multiple ones in a row.

Yeah, he just keep training like, folks. He didn't even believe in jabs. And the funny thing was the troll job. Like, he was on, bro, when he talked about. I saw.

I just saw the interview the other night. He did David. Yeah. When he did the. He's like, yeah, you know, that one interview, I was, like, doing all that stuff.

People thought I was crazy. I was like, oh, I like, wow. I was like, this guy's a bro. He should be an actor. Yeah, he.

Joe Rogan
He really had a smart strategy. Act like he was crazy. Act like he was crazy. Come, come in three pounds heavy and just. Bro, he sold it all the way to.

Max Holloway
Yeah, getting into that. I bet him coming in three pounds heavy made the line move forward more towards Haney. Oh, I'm sure this guy's not training. Yeah, he didn't prepare. He's crazy.

Joe Rogan
He's mentally unstable. Yeah, yeah. Joke's on you. But he laughed straight to the bed. And it was some bad refereeing in that fight, too, because two knockdowns.

Max Holloway
Yeah, two drops and it didn't count. That was crazy. Real bad. Real bad. Those were two legitimate knockdowns in a round where he already knocked him down once.

Joe Rogan
So he knocked him down three times in that fight. In that round. Yeah. Wouldn't that been, like, a TQ already? I don't know if they had a three knockdown rule.

It wasn't for the title. Right. Because Devin gets to keep the title. So. I think so.

Max Holloway
It was. Yeah, but even if he win, I think so. He said, yeah, he would have had that. I mean, whatever. Fuck the title.

Joe Rogan
That's like, that's crazy. Even that titles. Crazy. Yeah. After, did you.

Max Holloway
Oh, you know, is more crazy. There's a post of him being like, yeah, I still got the title. I'm like, wow. Yeah. It's kind of crazy to think.

Yeah. I was just trying to come up with some sort. I mean, he got humiliated. Yeah. Did this fight.

They brought this fight. Game is wild, bro. It's a wild game. It's the shit. It's the most craziest game ever, brother.

Joe Rogan
Ruthless game. You'd be on top of the world one day, and we'll fight like that. You're just. No one even cares anymore. Yep.

Max Holloway
Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. You could be Ben Askren, you know, and boom, one shot. And then that's what everybody remembers. Amazing career.

Joe Rogan
Dominates in Bellator. Dominated in one fc. Comes over to America, beats Robbie Lawler in a weird one. Remember that? Yeah, he slammed him.

Max Holloway
He slammed him. No, he had him in a headlock. Oh, yeah. Robbie wasn't out. Robbie was defending.

Joe Rogan
And they thought. I don't know who made that call. I forget who was the referee, but they thought he was out, and he wasn't out. And Robbie's like, what the fuck? I wasn't out.

And they called the fight. And then street. Jesus. Hits him with some fucking nuclear lightning, brother. The sprint.

Max Holloway
Oh, my God. And the turn, the angle. Like, he cuts angles. Yeah, so that Ben, like, his instincts kick in. Yeah, like, shoot for the takedown, runs right at him, and it just goes right into it, man.

And then he does a freaking three pin. Yeah. He hits him with a couple of three piece when he's down, and then slaps the. The floor and lay next to it. Easy, bro.

Joe Rogan
That was one of the wildest knockouts, too. That's. That's another one. That's another one. But the consequences are different than yours.

Yours is different. And it's the fact that you decided to stand in the cage in the center in the last 10 seconds and that you had planned that out. Did your corner know you were planning that out? Oh, they know already. I mean, they know you asked any of them, and then you tell them, like, bro, do you guys think I never told them?

Max Holloway
But they already know who I am as a fighter. We've been. I've been with these guys for like 1516 years of my life. Like, half of my life, brother. I've been with these guys.

Joe Rogan
Wow. Actually, I think 14 years. I think it's 14. Live it under half of my life with these guys. So they know me, you know?

Max Holloway
And, like, you can even. Do you have the corner? Send the corner? Like, Ryland is, like, hiding because he know it's happening already, you know? And then I.

My striking coach already knows that it's gonna go. They know. Like, I asked them after they did interviews and interviews, and they accident. Did you know Max was gonna do that? He's like.

He didn't tell us, but we had a feeling that if you went to the last 10 seconds. Look, look, look, look, look. Right? Bryce hiding. He's hiding under that.

Look at your guys. Yeah. Look at Michael. Look at him screaming, bro. You know what is funny?

That guy, Michael, is, like five three. So he's, like, holding himself up on them, bro. His legs is dangling, and he's kicking in the air. Imagine that. I wish they had a full screen.

Joe Rogan
He's on top there, like, wow, that was wild, man. And then shout out to my best friend, birdie bird, Jordan Reed, in the back. Since the news didn't catch it at him, they named every corner man except for him in the back. So here's a question. Jamal Hill loses that fight, and now he's gonna fight Khalil roundtree?

Max Holloway
Bro, that was a don't. Don't you think. Do you think this a faster route? I don't know. It's a very fast turnout.

Joe Rogan
It's only two months. Yeah, it's two months. And you finding Hillary Rowntree is a savage, brother. Do you get money? Yeah.

You owe him a lot of money. You do owe him a lot of money. That's how he fights you. Yeah, he fights you like you stole something from him. His contract is probably a show win.

Max Holloway
So he owes you. You owe him win money. That sidekick that he did to the. Knee, he was jumping into that thing. Horrible.

That's nasty, bro. Horrible. Watch his knee bend backwards. Khalil. I remember when Khalil fought Erik Anders.

Joe Rogan
He came back from Thailand. So he fights Johnny Walker. Johnny Walker catches him with an elbow in the clinch, and he decides, like, I gotta really learn muay Thai. Clenching elbows. He goes to Thailand, and then he fights Eric Anders, and he comes out looking like a tie fighter.

Max Holloway
Late kick. Yeah. Where did he fight it? I think I watched that fight. What fight?

Joe Rogan
See, we could find Khalil roundtree versus Eric. I think that was on the vol. I think that was in Vegas. I think I was on the Volk three fight. I believe it was in Vegas on the Volk two.

Me and DC were like, what happened? Like, he was always a very good fighter. He was always a very good standup fighter, too. But, like, he went through this leap in this fight. See, if you get, like, early in the fight when the leg kicks were insane, and it's the way he's moving.

He's moving like a tie. This whole thing was just the second round. Oh, okay. He was moving like a tie. Like his front leg.

He's, like, tapping with the front leg.

Max Holloway
He's finally going already. I mean, it was very, like, thai style adapted to MMA, but we were just like, my God, like, he's looked so much better than we've seen him before. There was something about, like, he made this decision after that Johnny Walker fight and then started going to Thailand and just kicked his game up several notches. And now, you know, he gets this opportunity for a guy like Khalil to fight a guy who also just got Ko'd, right? Just got ko just two months ago.

Joe Rogan
So most people would say, hey, this is too soon. Yeah, a lot of people say, this is too soon, but I get it. Jamal wants to get back in there. He feels like that was a fuck up, and he wants to erase it. He says he's fine, but this is a.

He's a fucking scary cat, man. Yeah. Because even with. Even with the Jamal Hill incident, right. How much shots did he get?

Max Holloway
Take on the ground? Took a few hard ones. Yeah, whatever. But it's a left hook that makes his eyes roll back. But Khalil is a monster, bro.

But he. But imagine he'll. Bro, imagine if you're in. You're in this situation, right? You're in issues.

Like I. You said this guy's got knocked out, bro. You go out there, you knock this guy out. Guess what, guess what. Guess what you're doing next fight.

You fight for a time, you're fighting for a title, but, yeah, you are fighting Alex Pereira for a time. Khalil and Alex potato whole, it just be violence. Wrong. Oh, crazy violence. And, you know, Khalil's had moments in his career where he was, like, not totally focused, and then he's had moments where he's really focused.

Joe Rogan
And you see it, like, in his endurance in the fight. Like, there's fights that he's lost where it's just like he wasn't really there. But then you see him when he's really focused. Like, it's like, you gotta pay attention to what he's capable of. Like, you could look at a fighter sometimes, and you could look at bad fight.

Like, a good example is Charles Oliveira. If you go and watch Charles Oliveira, some of his earlier fights, it looks like he kind of, like, folded. Yeah, for sure. And then something happened after the birth of his daughter, where Charles Oliveira becomes this fucking assassin. And he just has no quitting him.

He's just an animal. And it's just like, everybody just forgot about that old shit. And, like, no, he's the fucking man. And they forgot about the cub Swanson fight. They forgot about all these other fights.

They forgot about the Paul Felder fight. They forgot about those fights. Like, fuck all that fight. What is he capable of when he's on? And that's, I think, what you gotta do with Khalil.

That's why this is a dangerous fight. Cause Jamal's a bad man, and he's a dangerous dude. And he can knock out anybody, bro. It's gonna be. But so is Khalil.

Max Holloway
It's gonna be violent, bro. I. Jamal gonna have to watch his kneecaps, bro. She's gonna have to watch his legs, everything. And Khalil is also southpaw.

Joe Rogan
So Jamal standing southpaw. You know, he likes. Bro, that was horrific. That was horrific. I mean, he just sidekicked the shit out of his knee.

Just blew it apart, man. And that real controversial. Cause a lot of people, like, man, that ends your career. It does. He's back.

Don't he see? He's a fucking animal, man? I mean, he's so skillful and so intelligent in his stand up, and it's just like, it's super, super high level, man. Oh, look, he tried to trust kick a guy in his body. Yeah, he's done that before.

He's body kick, guys. Stands up and body kicks him in. Hawaii, bro, I got into. I got to argue with a ref because one of our fighters, like, body kicked someone was down, and they stopped the, like, they stopped the fight to give the kid a time. And there's.

Max Holloway
I was like, what are you doing? And he's like, you can't body kick on the grounds. Like, you cannot body kick a down opponent to the head. You can body kick. You can kick him to the body.

You just can't. Yeah, no, you can't do that. I was like, what are you watching the rules? Unless they modified the rules. No, brother.

Who's as modified, bro? I was just. Bad reference. Yeah, I almost got a fucking point. Deducted from my, from my.

From my. One of my boys, I was like, bro, I'm so sorry, bro. But, like, that. That was supposed to be a tko. Yeah, you.

You tko'd this kid, bro. That's ridiculous. That's just bad. Referee. I really think that the problem.

Joe Rogan
The only problem with knees to the head on the ground and kicks to the ground is the cage. If there was no cage, no place where you couldn't move and someone could stomp you, all that shit should be on the table. Because these are valid techniques. If you can knee someone to the head in a clinch, if you could scissor knee someone like Pajeda did with Michelitis, if you could do that kind of shit, like, why can't you knee a guy to the head on the ground? And you know what it is, bro?

Max Holloway
And if you. If you do do that, you know how much more of this, like, this safe area of people is playing with their hand on the ground, hand up? You know how much more it. People want to do that? They're going to go all the way to the ground or they're going to, like, fight intelligently.

Joe Rogan
Yeah. And then they're going to go. Instead of going down and playing that. Game, bro, having a moment where you're safer because of a rule is never a good thing. No, it's changes the whole way you compete.

Yeah, you'll do that. You'll let a guy have your back, put your hand on the ground because, you know, his knees right there. And when in reality, you got to get out of that spot. Yeah, you can't be there. You're dead.

Same thing with being in a turtle. If you're in a turtle and a guy's like. Like Mark Coleman and Pride can just drop those knees on your head. Remember, they let him do that. So when guys turtle in the UFC, you cannot knee them in the head.

Max Holloway
Yeah. Which is a perfect time to need him in the head. But then even that. Because then when they do turtle. Right.

So say I'm fighting someone and I see someone turtle, it's like half a second of them resting because I'm thinking like, shit. Now I got to be smart of where I'm picking this and what I'm doing. Exactly. You know, like, the back of the head rule. 100%, you know?

But, like, if I can soccer kick you because you're doing that like that, it's so easy to like, boom. Oh, see down there? I kick you right in your head. You know, like. But I don't know, bro.

Joe Rogan
And if you know that, that's one of the options, you won't stay in that position. Yeah, protect yourself. The guy's not going to be turtled. You know, even like, guys are like taking knees, knees down and they're like this on their ground, on the ground already. Like they know what they're doing.

Exactly. You know what you're doing. But I mean, if I come in and do something wrong, you get a takedown and you're on top now. Right? Like, come on.

People are so mad at Aljamain. When Aljamain won the title from pure yawn, Peter hits him with an illegal knee when he's down. But that lead, that knee should be legal. Yeah. You shouldn't be able to be on your knees in a fight.

Max Holloway
Yeah, I think so. You're. Are you able to move? If they're not stopping the fight, that means you can move even with the. Even with.

Even with what? You said, you, you, you pulling at the elbow, the twelve to six elbow. I'm like, brother, they, you. I didn't, I never know why they took it out. Right.

And then you, you said, I think so. In one of your interviews a long time ago, you said they took out because they saw a guy break ice with that, doing that. Right? Bricks on, right. Twelve in the morning.

Yeah. Guess what? That guy can break a brick with? A headbutt. That guy can break a brick with.

Train the elbow this way. Yeah, that guy can break a brick, turn the elbow upwards, and guess what? We can throw that thing. So why are you taking that away from on the ground? Big John McCarthy told me that it was just the people at the athletic commissions back in the time.

Joe Rogan
Well, you know, Big John had this unenviable role where he had to go to these places and explain to them that there's rules involved in MMA. And then you get morons like, what about this? I saw someone do that and break a break. You can't do that. Okay.

No. Twelve to six elbows. That's crazy. That's crazy. It was a dumbass rule.

And that the only loss on Jon Jones record is a twelve six double. And even that, like, even when I'm on my back, the twelve to six follow you, right? So I can't go like this. Like my back. And then they're like, yeah, but you can't go like this.

Max Holloway
But if you go like this, I'm like, that's the same exact. This is the same exact thing. It's so at the end, I'm twisting it, you know? Also it's like, especially this elbow. I don't feel like this elbow is as hard as this.

No way, bro. This is not like even if I mounted you, right? Like how John just mounted, right? Mm hmm. Like, like what you gotta do?

You gotta like crunch your abs to get all of here. This is like, I'm going, my whole shoulder, my whole body's coming into yourself. There's so much more in that one. And you can't have a thing where a guy can protect himself by doing that. And then you can't throw that one technique.

Joe Rogan
That's crazy. That's crazy. That doesn't make any sense. There's still a bunch of dumb rules like that. But I think the cage provides this problem for soccer kicks and stomps and knees.

Max Holloway
Yeah. Cause you're stuck. It's like a wall, right? Yeah, it's like a wall. Right.

Understand that. But guess what? Don't go to the fucking cave, dog. You know, the cage is there, brother. You know, I mean, like I, brother, the cage is my buddy.

Joe Rogan
Maybe I would. They say like no knees or stomps when a fighters touching the cage. Yeah, that'd be cool. Like if I. But then you can start seeing guys from the middle crawling their ass all the way to the cage now, you know.

Right, right. That's true. Well, people are always gonna try to. Yeah, as soon as you get a. Yeah, as soon as you get a damn rule, people are gonna game it all the time.

And you know, my thought, my thought, they should have a basketball court. My thought, just guys should fight in the center of like an open flat place. Just like. Oh, just like what they do. But just what they do for.

Max Holloway
Even for grappling matches. Yeah, but guys are gonna fall over and what's gonna happen? Well, they don't, don't have multiple matches going on like they do with, with that. Don't have it on a platform. Just have it on the ground.

Oh, yeah, just have it on the ground. Like have guys, I mean, you know, wild. That would be, we're all sitting there in the arena and there's no cage. And these dudes just walk out in the center of this big open mat. I mean, that'd be crazy.

Joe Rogan
Yeah, just have a warning because then. I love the cage, bro. I love no cage to, I just. Love the keys for take down purposes. Right.

Max Holloway
Whenever somebody put me like, go to the cage. Cage is your friend. A lot of guys don't like it because you think you're losing the fight, but like, is what it is. But no cage would be smart though, because. Yeah, what you said, I see what you're saying, but you would see so much guy, but so much guys is gonna like get you to a point and they're gonna shoot.

So like, you know, like the Islam's and the khabibs, that kind of fighting stuff, they're gonna shoot so low cuz you know, have a cage, right. It's gonna keep driving you to forever land, you know, until you get hit and then you gotta restart or whatever. Maybe. But it may, might stop a lot of takedowns because it's gonna, it's gonna have a much more realistic scenario. Instead of being able to charge up to a guy against the cage, get your hands up against his butt, lift him and take him down where he can't, he can't go anywhere his backs.

To get to cage. Khabib took so many guys down. So many guys do that off the cage. Yeah. And if you got a guy who keep moving and push you away, keep moving, then circle out.

Joe Rogan
Now you got to take him down again. It could change the whole dynamic of fighting. Could it could. Getting up is going to be way harder. I can.

Max Holloway
Yeah, it's going to be way harder. I love the case for get ups. I have another thought about that. Yeah. I think if a guy takes you down at the end of the round, you start in that same position for round two.

You think so? I'm pretty gangster cuz guys wouldn't be able to, guys wouldn't care, you know, some guys just take it off like I would take me down. I'm only gonna be stand up anyway. Well, you gotta think it's a fight. Or, or like even your rule, like if you're getting hold down from that last round, then you start from getting hold on, right?

Yeah, that's the same rule. Right. That's what I think. If, like say if a guy takes you down and he's got you mounted and it's the end of the first round, I feel like you start mounted in the second round. That sounds crazy.

It sounds like you should start a fighting. It is a fight, right? It's a fight. It's not five individual fights. So if you have a five round fight and every fight starts standing up for a guy like Perjeda, that's a massive advantage.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially after imagining he got taken down and just took his ass beaten for one round. Now imagine Perjeda fights Jon Jones, and they fight Jon Jones for the light heavyweight title at, you know, five rounds. John takes Pajeda down in the first round and at the end of the round, John's got him mounted, and Perjeda rides out the bell. Well, the round starts round two with Jon Jones mounting him.

Joe Rogan
Because it's one fight. It's not five fights. So if you start a new fight now, you're starting standing up again. But you didn't. You're not standing up.

The fight is still going on. That's crazy, putting them back in the same spot. Then they'd have to change the whole judging to the whole fight. Yeah, it should be. I feel like it should be that way.

Max Holloway
Like, why are we fighting rounds, you know? I think Pride had it right. Yeah, pride had it right. They judged the fight as a whole, and they judged the end of the fight. It was more important who's winning at the end.

Joe Rogan
Just like a schoolyard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you are outboxing a guy and there's no teachers around, and then, you know, all of a sudden he takes you down and he starts beating your ass and you can't get up. And then the ref, those teachers come and pull him off, everybody's gonna think that guy won the fight. They're not gonna say, yeah, but, yeah.

Max Holloway
But he's getting ass. Tom controlled him on the feet for three minutes. You only took him down for 30 seconds. Nobody gives a shit about that. They give a shit about, like, who's winning at the end of the fight.

Exactly, bro. I. That'd be. I mean, it's kind of cheat, you know, if favorite tizzle my ass that we stand under the feet every time. But that, that's pretty, that's pretty cool.

That would be pretty cool because now you would see guys. You would see guys fight much harder to get up now, right? So, like, if I'm on my ground, I'm on my back, right? And the round, like, you see guys like, oh, 30 seconds. Well, it's the best.

I mean, like, I just hold on to you for 30 seconds in it now, cuz I know in my mind, like, oh, I'm standing up, but we're gonna, we're gonna come on standing. But if. If you tell me 30 seconds and holy shit, new ron, I'm gonna start on my back. I need to fucking get up. You know, I need to, like, create a scramble or something, you know, so it's not so indefinite that we start here.

I think a bro. I think it changed me. I think that's pretty cool. Maybe. I like the idea and what I like the idea about because it's much more like a real fight.

Joe Rogan
So this is supposed to be the sport of real fighting, right? That's really what it is. Like, what works the best. That's what MMA is. And if you have limited techniques, like, you can't use a knee to a downed opponent, you can't do this to a downed opponent.

That fucks things up. And then if you have the cage where the guy can use the cage, that fucks things up because the guy could use the cage to take guys down. They could use the cage to stand back up. So the cage becomes a factor, and then you have the fact that every round starts standing up. So if you.

You busted your ass to take this guy down. Yeah. You took damage to get ahold of this guy. You take it down the first run, you have 10 seconds to go in the first round. You mount him, you're on top of him, the horn blows.

Fuck. Now you got to start standing. I gotta take him down? Yeah. Imagine if chael against that Anderson fight.

Max Holloway
If he could have came back from the ground every time. Crazy changed it, changed everything. Changes everything. He could have got triangled sooner or, you know, I mean, or he could have finished the guy, you know? We don't know.

You know, this is bunch of what ifs, but it's a bunch of ways. You know, it's also taken into consideration that it is supposed to be one fight. It's not supposed to be five fights, you know, and, like, to have every fight start in the advantageous position for the striker when he didn't earn a get up. Yeah, yeah. After getting it, bro.

I mean, we do. They really kind of do that, right? Like when you're against the cage or something. Or something happened and they break you, put you right back into that situation. So why would I fuck you?

It suck for strikers, you know? Strikers worldwide. I'm sorry, but if this is the way to prove that you're the baddest man alive, sign me up for it, brother, because I'm here for it. If you take my ass down and I use a bell to get a spec to stand up, that's kind of lame, bro. Like, you need to get your ass up, you know, you're not considered able.

Joe Rogan
To get your ass up in a fight that you would have lost under the current rules because you might start standing up in the second round. And this dude says, all right, fuck this guy. I'm not gonna clinch with him now. I'm gonna kick his calves. I'm gonna move around.

Max Holloway
You need to talk to somebody, brother. God. Be pretty cool. Nobody listens to me. Maybe.

Maybe you see 400, they do something. Bro, I had all sorts of plans that they don't listen to me, and I wouldn't listen to me either. They're. They've got a great business, real successful. You can't make all these changes.

Joe Rogan
That's ridiculous. My other thing that I would say is, you got to get rid of weight cutting, and you can do it. It can be done with hydration tests, and you got to give people more options for weight classes. Yeah, they should have an option every ten pounds minimum. Every ten pounds would be good.

Max Holloway
I think every. With the weight cutting would be. Would be fun without no weight cutting. But then we see guys, like, other promotions, and people are missing the hydration test anyway. So, like, people are still trying to do.

They're just. They're gonna get. Whatever you do, they're gonna gain it because somebody always is gonna look for the advantage no matter what it is. But there's a way to do it where if you have a big organization like the UFC, look, think about what they do with drug fees. Drug free sport now used to be USAda.

Joe Rogan
They'll find you wherever you are and give you a random drug test. Well, why can't they find you and put you on a fucking scale and hide and make. Get a hydration read on you and go make sure. Yeah, you're 172 pounds. Like, you're not 145 pounds max.

You're 172 pound fighter. So we're gonna. You could probably healthy, be healthy and fully hydrated. 165. That's probably where you should fight.

Unless you want to do something crazy to lose a lot of weight, like actually lose a lot of weight, like go running every day. The only, the only. It's funny, cuz then a lot of people always ask me, or even when I started dating my wife first, she's like, she went to, oh, you're that heavy. Why did you fight this? I'm like, I only do it cuz everybody else is doing this shit.

Max Holloway
You know, if we don't do it, if I don't do it, then I'll fight one seven year. You know, like, imagine my eyes stepping in there fighting like. Like a Jose. Not a Jose, but like a George St. Pierre, right?

Yeah, Camaro. You know, I mean, Leon is a big boy. Huge. Yeah. So it's like, it's like, it's.

We. Everybody just do it, cuz everyone's doing it. Exactly. They have to do it, cuz you. But all those guys are 200 pounds.

Joe Rogan
All those ones. Yeah, they're 200. Some of them yeah, yeah. They're all those guys, like Hamza. It's gigantic.

Max Holloway
Hamza is not even 170 anymore. No. I don't even know how he made 170. You remember, bro, he's big. That's why I wonder if he could have made it when New York pulled his card.

Joe Rogan
Because the thing about New York is there, they've done stuff like that before. Like, they wouldn't let you, Khabib. Yeah. Ally Quinton took your place. Yeah.

Max Holloway
Telling you. But that was just as unreal unfortunate. But like I said, you could have. Made that weight, though, I bet. Oh, 100%, bro.

Yeah. But the thing is, it was just. It was just stupidity, you know, it was ten days. I was with some. Somebody doing my.

My nutrition stuff. At the end, he did a freaking of interview. He day said how much I was. I was super heavy, and the. The freaking commission saw it, and they fucking was on my ass.

I was like, bro, if you didn't say shit, we would have been fine, you know? Right. But then that's what happened. You open. People open your mouth.

Come. I love, like, a tight knit small team, you know? It's like, nothing happens. Nothing gets out. Anything happens is like, motherfucker.

Yeah. You can't say that. Yeah. Especially new York. You could say in New York.

Yeah. Vegas don't give a shit. And it was also in New York when they just started life. They didn't. They did.

That's what I saying. They. New York was stood against MMA. Mm hmm. Like, they stood.

Was against MMA, you know? And then that happened. And I remember, bro, fucking guy came in, I looked. I looked sucked out of my life. And they was like, yeah, you're not fine.

Joe Rogan
I'm like, how heavy were you? How much? I was like, three pounds off, bro. That's it. Yeah.

Max Holloway
And we. And we had, like, a bunch. Like, we had, like, I still. I still think we had, like 3 hours left. Oh, you could have.

Yeah, it was fine. You know, I think Hamza. They pulled him. I don't know what he was when they pulled him. Then he started drinking water, and then he waited.

Joe Rogan
178, I believe. That's crazy. Yeah, he was way over. That's crazy. But I wasn't excited about that fight.

Max Holloway
Was he fighting Diaz? Oh, Nate. Yeah. I was like, that is a. Then what happened?

Who did he fight? He fought somebody else. Right. Nate fought Tony Ferguson, and he fought Kevin Holland. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan
Which is also. Kevin Holland was preparing for someone else. Yeah. Yeah. Danny Rodriguez, who's a striker, and then also, he's fighting this insane wrestling.

Max Holloway
Yeah. And then that's what happened with the, with the fake glove touch and he took him down. Yeah, yeah. Hamzat is. Who's he fighting next?

Whitaker. Robert. Right. Robert. I'm looking forward to that.

If there, if there is someone who can, who can kind of neglect the wrestling, I think it's Whittaker. Yeah, I think it's Whitaker, bro. And then comes out is strong. But bro, that, that, that burns fight. Like, showed a lot.

Like, it showed a lot. Like, if you can hit this guy and continue to hit him, it's going to be a fun fight. And Camaro Usman fight because Kamara comes winning the third round, bro. So. And he had ten days.

Yeah. What? And when I tell everybody, like, against a cosmot, you know, like what a cosmo. With the wrestling, it's like, if you go, if you go pull up, if you pull up his fight, brother, if you go watch the Cosmo fight gets Usman. The only time he, he takes on Uzman is when Usman wrestles him back.

When Uzuman is like anti wrestling, fighting his wrist, not letting him connect his hands, no takedowns. But as soon as Usman was like, okay, I'm just going to wrestle back. And like, he starts to like, grab the stomach and stuff. You can take it. Now.

You picked. I'm like, brother, like, you should just anti wrestling this guy. You beating him in the streaking too. But I think it was also Kamaru didn't know what his cardio was like. Like, yeah.

So he had to trust. He just wasn't prepared to go full out. And Hamzat knew that. So Hamzah put that grappling pressure on him immediately to try to wear him out. Yeah, crazy.

Joe Rogan
I don't like those ten day fights, man. It's got it. It's shady because no one's gonna talk about the ten days, you know, I. Mean, like Tom Aspinall. Yeah.

So Tom Aspinall takes it on like eleven days and he knocks out Pavlovich and he becomes the interim title. Exactly. But not, but then, like, even, even with that, like this can say the interim, you know, he's right. He won the interim. They're not even talking about the day.

Max Holloway
Everybody would bring up the tent, you know, like, even with like the vogue fight, you say, oh, yeah, Voc is this, the. Voc is that. But then, oh, he got knocked up from this guy and then he got knocked out again. I'm like, yeah, but he had knocked on ten days. But it's crazy.

You know, it's like people keep forgetting about that because they don't give a shit. Well, they forget about that also, because if you go back before that second fight with Islam, Volk is considered to be the number one pound for pound. Guy in the world, and many believe that they thought he won the fight. You know what I mean? I thought it was real close, but I watched it, like, three or four times.

Joe Rogan
I'm like, I think there was, like one round where you. I think it's the second round where it's up in the air. You go, I think. But again, at the end of the fight, he's on top of Islam, and he's pounding on him, which was just nuts to see. Crazy, bro.

Max Holloway
Just to think of 45 or who's gonna come up and do that to the guy who does that to everybody in his weight class. Yeah. Was insane, bro. He's a legend, bro. He's a legend, bro.

Joe Rogan
That's why it's like, sucks to take a ten day fight and then you get Ko'd. One of the worst ways to get Ko, brother. And then. And then I'm in the back. I'm in the back.

Max Holloway
I don't know if you guys saw this clip, but I'm in the back, and. And UFC is doing this promo thing right after the. After, I think so was. No, and I. Afterwards.

Before. I don't know, is before one of the fights, but they're doing it. Promise. Late, when I was warming up and I was watching the fight, they did this clip, and they're showing, like, all the old clips problem. They show Volk walking out.

Joe Rogan
Yeah. And then the next clip is side by side. He getting knocked out by two guys. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, damn, this game sucks.

Max Holloway
What a shady turn of events. I was like, oh, look, Volk. And in the fucking next two clip is side by side of him. His only two is two knockout losses. And I'm like, wow, this shit is heartless, bro.

This game ain't for the week, bro. No, it's heartless. This game is not for the week. It's heartless how quickly your life can turn around. If you're a guy like Volk, you go from being the man to being dismissed.

Uh huh. You know, to being like, oh, we. Don'T want to fight, bro. Like. Cause, like, Delia didn't want to grant him a rematch.

Ilia didn't want to fight nobody in the top fucking 15, brother. Well, who does he want to fight? Brother? Himself. I don't know.

Motherfucker want to fight himself. Bro, what the hell is going on, bro? This guy. This guy, brother. This guy.

This is the man, bro. This is. This is this the guy we're dealing with? Bro? This is the guy we're dealing with.

So we had a. We had a bible verse off on Twitter. Everybody's, like, saying freaking ten eight, holloway. Because the verse I used against them. And then, um.

And then he writes, and I don't say nothing. That's all I said. He writes, like, a freaking paragraph, bro, to me. Like, I didn't even read it. That's how long it was.

He writes a paragraph to me, brother. I didn't read it. He. And I was just tripping out. I was like.

It was like an angry girlfriend text, you know? Like, my wife don't even text me like that. So I was like. I read the first descent, I think. I'm not reading this, but what the hell is going on with you?

Yeah, but I don't know what's going on. You didn't read it, brother. I don't know what's going on, bro. I was like, I read the first dune, and then I saw you at the scrolls. Like, what the.

Did I make my wife mad? I had to make sure that wasn't her, you know? What the hell? That's hilarious. That's funny.

Joe Rogan
Yeah. I don't know who he wants to fight next, but, I mean, if. I guess he feels like he's the champ, he can call the shots. But I know that he turned down the Perth one, the 305, the Volkanovski rematch. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. The question is, like, if you're in Volkanovsky's corner, let's say this now, because we can say it now, right? Because we couldn't say it after the first Islam fight. But you take a fight like the Islam fight, you get Ko'd, bad head kick. You chill, bro.

And. Yeah, you chill for how long? At least six months with no stuff. And I'm like, maybe you could sparring. Yeah, yeah.

Max Holloway
And then he could have came back on 300. Yeah, he could have headline 300, bro. You know, I mean, like, you could have been. I would have told you if he like a look, bro, you. I did you guys a solid.

You did me solids very much. Let me rest my head. Let's say this it over. Maybe I. We go on 300.

Joe Rogan
I feel like the UFC should tell him that, too. Yeah. You know, I think there was. I think there was. You know, cuz then.

Max Holloway
Because then I was, like, telling Tim, damn, like, brother, like, if Elia needs somebody, let me know. Like, let, like, tell you see that? No. And Uc came back and said, like, this crazy mother effort wants to fight, you know? I mean, so I think.

So I think there's him and his team, and even with his team. Like, even with, um. But he's such a property. Yeah. He's so important.

Yeah. To risk him like that again after a head kick knockout to Makachev. Yeah. And then. And then, like, you can mentally or.

And physically say you're ready, right. But then something wasn't right, you know? Like, go watch. Like, you know, this guy's a rugby player. You know, I played him three times, and this guy's head is always headfirst.

Like, he's always like, I fought him three times, brother. And, like, he. Like, it's accidental. It's not hard, but he's like. He's, like a rugby guy, so his head is always coming in, you know?

Like. Like, we always mean him, like, headbutt a couple of times. It is not big ones, not, like, career changing ones. But is this his hit is for. He's a rugby guy.

He's in that huddle shit, right? Tell me why. When he fights this fight, he's, like, being uncharacteristic and, like, kind of throwing and then going back, you know? So it's like, it was just a different, you know, I don't want to. I'm not.

Yeah. Not taking nothing away from Elia. Like, it is what it is. He fought. He fought vocal at a perfect time.

But, like, if you can. Like, if somebody can look me in the eyes, didn't eyes and be like, bro, that was the same volk that's been, you know, doing this thing at 45, right? I will call you dead ass liar brother. I'll be like, you're a serial killer because you're a psychopath. If you think that's the same man.

Joe Rogan
You get compromised by knockouts. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. The question is, how much time do you give yourself to recover, and can you get back to 100%? I don't think you can get back to 100% from a head kick knockout in a few months. No, bro.

And you have to do some sparring to get ready for it, and that, can't they? And that's the thing. And. Yeah. And city kickboxing is great, you know?

Max Holloway
I mean, Eugene is. Is a great coach. Eugene's a genius, and I'm sure Eugene was probably in his ear, you know, I mean, telling him, but then again. It'S just, well, he's a dominator. He knows how to win.

Joe Rogan
And, you know, he. But you can't run a race with a bad suspension. Yeah, you let that thing heal up and. And. But then sometimes you just.

Max Holloway
You're your own enemy, you know what I mean? Like, he probably wanted that erased in his mind, thinking that, like this, no, I'm gonna come back here, I'm gonna do this, and this is just gonna be forgotten. Yeah, yeah, yeah, remind everybody, you know, and. But it just happens, cuz. Then what if he goes out there and he did get it done, you know?

I mean, that would have been amazing, right? And we all would have been wrong. But then for head injury, rise. Like. Like I said earlier in our conversation with Justin, like, justin's taking six months off of.

Off of that. You know what I mean? Like, bro, like, six months at least. No contact, this chill. But, like, this guy, like you, you probably got a good freaking nice payday for that second Islam fight.

Even the first Islam fight, you know? So, you know, you do. You know, you do favors for UFC. They take care of you, you know, at the end. I've been with this company coming for a real long time, so I know this stuff.

So it's like he should. I feel like, selfishly, he should have just rested. I feel like you have to protect. You have to protect. Not even as a fighter, bro.

Like, as a person. Like, you know, I shared doctor gone. This guy, like, to call him my freaking march nemesis. People like to make things, but I like him as a person, brother. He's a father.

Two beautiful daughters, you know, I mean, he got a family. So, like, bro, just take your time off, you know, enjoy. Go. Go with them. Do that.

You know? And it happens though, sometimes. Sometimes, uh, we are own worse enemies, you know? I mean, like, I. And being in issues, I couldn't say because if that happened to me, I would want to be like that.

Like this. I want to go kill this kid. Let me remind people. And then you have to have people. Close to you that can stop that.

And he any does, bro. But, like, at the end of the day, he's just. Maybe he just trumped him. He was like, maybe. Maybe he had a trump card and he was like, look, I listened to you guys before, but trust me, I got this.

And, like, how do you not believe a guy in, like. Like, him, you know, he had an. Iron chin before that. Oh, yeah, iron chin, brother. You see his size, his head, brother.

Joe Rogan
He takes a shot. But the fact that toporia put him out with one shot. Yeah. Part of me was like, damn and absolutely. Taporia is a knockout striker.

He has beautiful boxing, beautiful form. His technique is outstanding. His power is tremendous. No doubt about it. He could knock anybody out, but it's the way it happened.

And that. That the shying away that we were talking about earlier was. Perfect shot, bro. He just hit it. Yeah, he put his head down.

Max Holloway
Yeah, he knew. He said it's gonna be there. Put his head down. Yeah. Swings.

And that's what Tapore does, bro. He swings. When he swings, he swings all his might and is. And it's nice technique. It's not like wild swinging was might.

He's swinging all his might tech technique wise, knowing that, like, analyzing, like, your head is probably gonna be here, I'm just gonna throw the toe, you know? The Jai Herbert one was amazing. Yeah, that was, that was one after the head kick, he knocked him out in the second round to come back after hitting. That's 155. Yeah.

Joe Rogan
You know, he's a small 155. Yes. Not really the weight class form 45. He's perfect. But it's just, I mean, he could fight at 55, too, make no mistake about it.

Just like, you did go up correctly. But Chai Herbert is a long, tall dude. Long dude. Yeah, he's long, tall dude. I feel like for a fighter, like Alexander Volkanovski, he's like a legacy fighter.

He's a guy that's like, he's a legend. He's one of the most dominant champions in any division. And for a guy like that, you gotta kinda know the mindset, but don't let him do something. Don't take the wall. Right.

Don't take a fight with Makhachev on ten days notice when you haven't been training, you just been drinking. Drinking, yeah. And hanging out. I know you think you can do it, and maybe you can do it, but you probably. Yeah, sure.

Not going to be 100%. And that, and that's the. And that's the tough thing, you know, it's like, I hate when, like, you know, he said that, and then things happen, and then they talk about what's going on. It's like, brother, like, just give the man his due. You know, you took the fight.

Max Holloway
You know what you did. What a hell of. What the hell. I got to tell you what I was doing this whole time. You know, like, at the end of day, I'll just be like, well, he was just a better night.

You're like, I. With a lot of fighters, like the most irritating thing. There's two things that irritate me about fighters, bro. Sore losers and then sore winners, bro. Like people that win and stood talk like, oh, this, this and this.

I'm like, you won the damn fight. So what, why are you telling us all this shit? You know, like, I hate guys who do that, so. And I, and I hate that's come whenever you, you see me lose or you see me win, bro. I give nothing but respect to the next guy cuz I don't know what they've been going through.

I don't know what kind of obstacles they had to do because I know what obvious I had to. I'm not gonna say shit, but if you want to say stuff like even Justin, like Justin, he's saying, bro, he's finally doing, he's doing all kind of media now and probably he just saying, max a dog, you know, congrats to him, you know, I, yeah, we went out there fight. Like, even, even with him, people trying to be like, oh, you lost your title shot. Like, how do you feel? Is like, I don't care.

That's a beam, that's a BMF. But Justin is wired different, you know, we wired different, you know, I mean, like a lot of us fighters, like even people tell me, why are you doing this, bro, I'm wired different, bro. I want to fight the best guys. You know, that's just it. I want to fight the best guys in the world.

If you guys think this is the best guy, why you think I've been calling DC's fat ass out for so long? He's the best guy, brother. I fight him and DC, and then DC had the audacity fight week to tell me if he made 45, I was, brother, you make 45, I'm killing you right now. It's a fight. But if DC you try to make 45, I'm going to kill you, brother.

But right now it's a fair fight because you're so heavy. Chop both his legs off. Wouldn't make 45. He would have to do so much. But he looked like Mister potato head.

Can you pull your body apart like Mister Potato? I think DC could have made 85. I think he could have when he. Was two or five. I think he could have if he really wanted to.

But he loved food, bro. I know. Imagine that guy at 85. Good Lord. Oh, my gosh.

That would be his normal weight class because he'd actually be, he'd actually be the height wise of people at 85 ers. I mean, there, there is some tall 85 ers, don't get me wrong, but he. Oh, him and heavyweight, brother, he's like. I know he gets dwarfed. It's crazy, brother.

He's the. He's dwarfed. That's insane that he fought at every weight. I know he won one and he knocked out steepe. Steeped the guys.

The heavyweight goat that people consider he knocked them out, bro. Crazy, crazy, crazy. You know, then you see a second fight, he's really not a heavyweight. Yeah. Seeing the third fight, like stuff, it's not right.

Yeah, yeah, you could tell. But he just, he was just, he just loves to eat. But he's a Louisiana boy, Brad. He loves those little. They're, they're freaking when they make their pots, their crab boils and stuff, brother.

Joe Rogan
It's going to be interesting, though, to see someone at 85 that's that caliber of wrestler. Like, so if someone who's of a DC caliber of wrestling does rise up through the Olympic ranks and then gets into the 185 pound division and has the same kind of punching power, is. There anyone that, that. Is there. Not that weight class, not in the UFC, no.

Is there some real good wrestlers like Johnny Evelyn? Is Bo nickel like a. Like a. Like an Olympic wrestler, too, or. No, he's that caliber.

He was that caliber. But Bo nickel, you know, he'll tell you he's got a lot of work to do. Like, he was very upset with his last fight. Oh, yeah, crazy, crazy. I saw that, my brother.

Max Holloway
You do what you had to do. But, you know, Cody Brun is just good and he gave him some troubles and he gave him some trouble standing up. You know, he's going to have a real hard time with the elite strikers at that weight class if they have good takedown defense. But his wrestling is far above and beyond most people in that division. Yeah, but then that's the.

But that's the beauty of our sport, right? That is the beauty of us. But I never did any type of wrestling and I feel like I could wrestle with the best of them in an MMA fight. You know? I mean, I'm even crazy enough to be like, bro, I go wrestle you at a wrestle practice, I don't give a shit.

You know what's the worst? You gonna rag doll me? Okay, perfect. Yeah, that's what you supposed to do. But what happens when you don't and I make it a wrestling and you're like, holy fuck.

This guy's actually pretty good, you know? So at the end of the day, that's why you just got to be great. That's come. I love mma, bro. And one punch, one kick, one knee, one elbow, one takedown.

You know what I mean? Like, even take down, like, how much time you take someone down, you show the land in their stomach, change the whole fight. Oh, breeding heart, brother. What's going on there? You know, you just.

You start laying on guys. It's, uh, that's why MMA is a beautiful bra. You don't know what is going on. You don't know what's gonna go on. And it's.

Joe Rogan
It's so many different things can happen. How about that? Zhang Weili, Yan Xiao non fight. Oh, crazy. But we watch it in the back.

Max Holloway
They're good, bro. When Yon Shao non decided not to tap and went out and then woke up at the end of the first round, like, when the bell rang and Zhang Weili, let's go over and she's like, what is happening? And she goes right back to her corner and like, is that legal? She's out. Yeah, she was out cold, man.

Joe Rogan
Bro, she was out cold. Can we see that clip? Yeah, she was out cold. But that's. That's insane, right?

She wouldn't tap. That's insane because I just saw. I just saw a lot of, like, I didn't see that part, but then I saw, like the second, maybe the third round and on and like, there was battling, bro, they were battling. It was a crazy, man. Yan Chownon is a beast.

She's good, man. She's good. She's so gangster. The fact she wouldn't dance fully locked in sleep. These guys is like, I don't dishonor my family, bro.

Max Holloway
They next level, bro. These guys are there. They're warriors. People don't understand like it. A lot of these other out of country fighters, bro, they're insane, bro, it's.

It's insane when you see an outside fight. Like out of country fighter quit. Cuz a lot of them don't. They come from almost like, you know, like charles them to come from the slums and China to come from places where it's like you almost get bred into being a fighter, you know, like, this is what you're gonna do. This is it.

Shopkot. Yeah. Rock went off. Yeah. Crazy, crazy, bro.

Joe Rogan
Apparently fought that fight with like a broken foot or something. It's. Something wrong with him his last fight. Yeah, I'm not sure with wonder boy. That's why I took him down.

Submitted. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy, bro. Oh, my God. He's.

Max Holloway
He couldn't something wrong even when he fought Neil? Yeah, bro. What. What is his name? What is Jeff Neil?

Yeah, Jeff Neil, bro. And he freaking said, who does that to him? But you know how strong gotta be to do that to Jeff? Jeff nails. Jeff knew 200 pounds that night.

They say he gained 30 pounds, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, shit, bro. That guy is weird.

Strong, bro. Latest. I know it doesn't look it, know, that's all. But to squeeze someone's neck off like that. Standing, standing, that's like one hook in.

That was like a. There's almost like a bully. Like a bully. Chill. I got you.

Say uncle. You know, like, that's crazy. That's insane. In my mind, I was looking at it that way. Like, that is insane.

And how you do it to Neo knew is a tough son of a gun, bro. And he punches hard and he landed hard shots, and chugga's like, boom, boom. Okay, now I choke you. It's a wild time for talent. There's so many guys, brother.

And you know what is cool? It's. It's a wild time for talent. And it's. It's in every weight class.

You know, like how certain weight classes, like, ah, yeah, they got, you know, this and that, whatever. But it's like in almost every weight class. So here it is. This is the end of the round. So Yan Xiao nan is fully out here.

Oh, yeah. She's John Whaley's got. Look at it. It's a perfect rear naked. She's fully out, like out cold right now.

Joe Rogan
Bell rings, lets her go out cold.

Max Holloway
Lucky she woke up. Look at, like, she don't know what the fuck's going on. Whoa. I did not know that. Yeah, she was out, out.

Joe Rogan
So if you watch the dead, she's dead. 12 seconds. If you watch, I mean, that is a fully locked. Look at that. 7 seconds.

Max Holloway
She go out. Look at the palm placement. Yeah, the back of the head. I mean, she's doing it perfect. 5 seconds.

Joe Rogan
Right there. She's out. So look at her hands are completely limp. So she's out. And the referee puts his hands on her.

She gets up and she's like, what? What's going on? She literally doesn't know where she's going. To the death. To do the death.

To the death. Woof, woof. Imagine you gotta fight someone like that. That's next level, bro. That's a BMF.

Yeah. You know, is wild about that BMF. When somebody acts. Dana, Dana was like, it's like, oh, what about the BMF? Are you gonna make it for girls?

Max Holloway
And Dana was like, the BMF is forever. I was like, wait, what the fuck? I was like, what? Dana? Yeah, exactly.

He's like, anybody can fight for the BMF. I was like, what does that mean? You can't be telling me.

You can't be saying that shit. Daniel, what the hell is going on? Yeah, that's ridiculous. Don't say that. Don't say that.

Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's crazy. They might have a female BMF one day. I should broke we leaves up there. Yeah, John is up there. You can't be a motherfucker if you're a girl.

Max Holloway
Oh, yeah. Called the BDF.

Joe Rogan
Well, I guess you could if it's a lesbian wins it. Oh, my God. I guess. Yeah, yeah. You're not.

Max Holloway
Hey, you're not wrong. I mean, what are we saying? Yeah, I mean, obviously a motherfucker is a different thing, but if you didn't understand our language and you said the baddest motherfucker, like, what? They'd be looking at you. What is this?

Joe Rogan
Right? Other countries that, like, have to translate the BMF, they're like, what are they saying? Yeah, bro. That, bro, I forgot was fighting for the BMF. You know, when.

Max Holloway
When Bruf was. I never, ever got an new brother. I don't know if you. I think I told you before, never. Got an end new.

Yeah. So when I won the. When I won the interim title, right. It was like, and now, so. And I beat Pettis.

And then when I fought, although it was. And now again, I was like, oh, you owe me an end news. I never knew. I gave Bruce, like, a hard time about it. And then I got my end new now.

But I was tripping out when I was going there, and I was like, in there waiting. I was like, what the fuck is Bruce taking so long? Did you not just see the knockout? But I want to say, I want her get my hand raised. And then he was like, a new undisputed BMF.

I was like, oh, yeah. I was like, oh, yeah, finally got it. But we need an undisputed and new song. So are you in a holding pattern now? How does it work, like, in terms of what.

Joe Rogan
What happens for you in the future? We see what happens, man. We see what happens. I mean, we're so. You see what happens in New Jersey?

Max Holloway
Yeah, yeah, we see what happened in New Jersey. We. I couldn't tell you, to be honest. All I know is Dana white pooed my ass after fighting big brother. Things are about to change.

So I'm waiting. I'm waiting for the change. Dana, let us know. Let us. We be.

We'd be sitting. We're waiting right now. They gave me, like, a 30 day, no contact. You know, like, the normal thing that they do after a fight. A lot of people don't know that.

Everybody's like, what does it mean, 30 days? Are you okay? I'm like, brother, this is just. This is just regular stuff that we gotta rest after our fight. So I got.

I'm doing that right now. Me and Tim didn't hit us about anything, really. You know, like I said, ilya writing paragraphs over to us on Twitter, that's. Can I see what he said? I didn't even know what he said.

Joe Rogan
I want to see what he says. I don't even think you're gonna reach a whole thing too, bro. You might read half of it, and you stop reading. He's. It's interesting guy.

He says he gets drunk the week of the fight, like, the night before the weigh ins. I saw that he drinks, uh, drinks wine. Drinks wine. Buzz, you relax. If it works, he never missed weight, so.

No, I mean, I guess you could do it. Look, dehydrating yourself to make weight is horrible for you. Yeah, you're already doing that, I don't think is whether I finish you by ko or submission. And I just beat the guy that beat. I was doing math.

Not once, exactly, but three times. You now have one thing that keeps you relevant, and that would grant you a money fight. The BMF belt. I no longer fight for money, but for legacy. Already is already fighting for legacy.

No, no longer fighting for money, brother. He got gifted. Ashton Morton or something that I saw. Somebody told me winning that belt while. Holding my title will cement me as the first, the first to hold both belts, the first to knock out volk, and what most certainly will happen when we fight, the first one to put you to sleep, something to calm you down, is this.

God doesn't shame anyone. You will have a worthy defeat against a champ. Wow. This is like roman shit. You have a road worthy defeat against a champion who will be remembered for eternity.

I decide who, when, and where. If you don't like the terms, I'm sure Ortega will oblige. But how you. How you calling Ortega? Right.

That's right. Now, how is Ortega, like, even right then? The way he just beat that year, right? But he was, like, away for, like, three years, and I even see him calling for a shot, I'm like, yeah. One fight against the air just lost against Volk.

Yeah, yeah. Wild. I love watching that dude fight. Like, that guy kicks like nobody else in the sport, brother. If he.

Max Holloway
If they're like, jabs, brother, he can. There's, like, a switch, bro. If he flips it, he's gonna be like, way more like, he's a scary dude already, but there's a. There's a switch that he just needs to flip it, and he's gonna start figuring out, and, like, it's gonna be. Problem.

He's caught a problem, bro. When I. You know, it's funny, cuz when I fought him, I think that was the best. Yeah. Year that anybody ever saw.

When we found the apex, I think it. So there's fighters that I feel like when you go in front of a crowd, they're not fighting to a full capacity. And then there's some fighters, when you fight apex, where it's, like, in the gym, they just gonna shine, you know? And, like, yeah, year is like, when we fought there, and I hit him with couple shots, and before, like, you'd see him get hit couple shots in different fights and kind of, like, weather away and be like, oh, yeah, whatever. And, like, the fight this, you know, kind of, like, get in there and then almost, like, gets finished because of the fights not going his way or whatever, right?

And I was hitting with sudden sunshots, and I was just thinking in there, like, bro, this quit. Bro, what? What are you doing? Like, why are we making this so much harder, you know? You're making this fight so hard.

I had to think. I had to take his ass down. I was like, what are we doing here, brother? Where the hell did this fucking superhero yeah. Year come out of?

You know? But, uh, well, you gotta remember Yair, you go back to the Frankie Edgar fight, right? So Yair gets dominated by Frankie Edgar on the ground, and then you get Yair 2.0 after that. And is much better at take down defense. Really good at submitting guys off his back.

Joe Rogan
It's just, like, more of these fights. He's still a young guy. He's young, bro. Yeah. Yair still hasn't reached his potential yet, but when it comes to kicks, that dude kicks nobody else.

Max Holloway
He's the best kicker in the sport, I think. Like I said, bro, nose to nose, brother. We're like, right here. Pound. Whoa.

There's a clip of me, like. Like, he kicks through my hand. I was like, what? I never see him too. I was like, this motherfucker so fast, bro.

Joe Rogan
He hit BJ pen with a 360 roundhouse kick, brother. Crazy. Yeah, crazy, bro. 360 round house kick on a legend. Crazy, bro.

Max Holloway
Yeah, crazy, bro. Yeah, bro. I'm telling you, bro. Like I said, bro. Yeah.

Year he's gonna be a problem, bro. There's one switch that he's gonna flip, it's gonna see, and I'm gonna. If you're a guy who likes to stay on the outside and you fight that, oh, my. You gotta change everything. Is those kicks?

Kicks is like jazz, like you said. Mm hmm. You know he got kicks yet? Spinning shit, yeah, he got. He fucking.

He got hell elbows, bro. He got everything. He throw elbows to be. It's so even when I was fighting him, bro, like, we knew he's gonna try stupid up elwed places, and I get fucking caught by, I'm like, what the f? Like, why?

Why? I knew it was coming and it hit me. I was like, bro, what is going on? This guy is so freaking. He's just.

He's out of the box. So dynamic. He's out of the box, and you. Can'T find a guy that's gonna spar like him, bro. Nobody's wild, cuz.

Nobody's willing to take chances. Like, it's good, cuz when we was sparring with it for him, like I said, like, we wouldn't really hit guys. Look at this guy, bro. Look at this guy. Yeah, bro.

Joe Rogan
This guy kick. And he does that, too, that left kick and then that right overhand punch, bro. Those kicks are coming from everywhere. Look at this. I mean, that.

That left kick to the body and then that right hand behind it. Yeah. Yeah, Josh. Emmett's a scary motherfucker, though. Whoo.

That knockout of brace. Oh, Bryce Mitchell. Oh, my God. Crazy. That dude.

He's got hammers for fists. Oh, yeah, bro. He's one of those guys. Yeah, but he's one of them. Load up, dudes.

Everything's coming for death. Every shots. Death. It's death. Hey, yeah, I know.

Max Holloway
That's why. That's come when him and Jeremy fought the two hammer dudes, brother, when they meet, but they collided, you know? That was a crazy, crazy fight. That was crazy. Yeah, I saw.

I saw somebody claim that as I talk about Germany, because I saw somebody claim that Josh was like the hardest hitting 40 fiver. And Jeremy, like, what? Someone say something?

Joe Rogan
He's a bad man. Stevens had some crazy, crazy. Rafael dos angels. Oh, yeah. Five.

Max Holloway
Yeah, crazy, bro. Yeah, Jeremy can crack. He's a wild dude. It's a crazy sport, man. I mean, there's.

Joe Rogan
There's really? Nothing like it in terms. I mean. I mean, I know I'm biased, but in terms of excitement, in terms of, like, when you go to, you want to be entertained. Yeah, go watch some fights.

Max Holloway
Oh, bro, for sure. You know. You know, it's funny because, like, a lot of people, they can. They can almost, like, put themselves in a fight because we all fought. It is in our DNA.

Like, we all fought some point in our life. Like, even if it wasn't like, like a fight fight. Like, you fought your siblings, you fought your cousin. So everybody know that feeling, like, holy, she's nuts. This is crazy.

You know, like, whoa, what the hell? So you have that feeling in you of, like, fighting that you to say that you didn't fight your cousin or even your friend, like, even if it was a little slap fight, whatever, and you guys hugged it out after, like, you fought somebody at some moment in your life, and that's come. That's what draws it. And you can feel the emotion. And then when guys get into it, they're like, oh, man, I would have did this, do that, do this.

I'm like, yeah, okay. What did you get to fight? You see, guys, like, what you're talking about. Most people, like, grossly underestimate their abilities, brother. But.

But that's the game, you know? And that's why everybody loves it, because it's so entertaining. Because it's like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, exactly. You know?

But then it's like, almost. Sometimes some guys is just, like, just false hoping themselves. I'm like, brother, don't do that, you know? You know, like, guys, guys calling out, like, dude. Calling out DeMetrius and then calling out Mario Mouse.

And then they showed him my mouse, like, rolled up that guy in his jiu jitsu, turned around like, brother. And even when. Even when we talk about this fake, like, it's like, oh, in a street fight, when everybody's like, in a street, like, I'm, whatever tree on your pond is trail, bro. In a street fight, kick you right in the dick. The first thing I'm doing, I'm going.

I'm gonna kick you right in the baby maker. I'm gonna gouge your eyes. I'll bite your ear off. Yeah, with this is a straight fight, brother. I'll have a gun.

I'll shoot you. Who cares? I want to win in a street fight. You know, like, no rules, brother. Like, come on.

Joe Rogan
The idea that if you give a guy no rules, all of a sudden it becomes lethal is so ridiculous. Oh, my God. Why? What? You're not gonna scare me.

Real angry. When I would talk to karate guys and they'd say, your stuff is good for sport, but what we do is for the street. I'd be like, what are you talking about? Like, that is the dumbest thing you could ever say. You're practicing street techniques?

Is that what you're practicing? Did you not watch USC one karate, Maddox? But there's so many people that just want to. That's the beautiful thing about MMA as well, and all martial arts, is that the training humbles you. Oh, yeah, the reality humbles, you know.

Max Holloway
But you know what is the most hilarious ones is when it did it does it like, you see these guys troll, they come and get their ass kicked, and they're back on. Oh, yeah, I still kick your ass. That was just one day, you know? Watch. When I started training, I'm like, brother, but that wasn't it.

The conversation was saying, you could kill me now, you know? So that's just. It's just funny. Yeah. Some guys, they need to do some study on their brains would be amazing.

Joe Rogan
Well, there's so many different kinds of mindsets that allow someone to get into fighting, but when they get to a championship level, like what I try to explain to people, did you understand the kind of human being that's capable of fighting the most skillful fighters in the world and rising above them all? That's a rare person. There's a lot of things that had to fall into place to make a max holloway. Yeah, a lot of things, for sure. Yeah.

Max Holloway
You know, you're just like this peace. Loving, like, easygoing guy. Real friendly. People get confused. Yeah.

Yeah. Fused. There's a monster inside their head. You know what is funny? So when we train, this is a while back, when we was training at our old gym, some guys would come visit my head coach, Ryan Lazarus, and then he.

And I'm around, like, wrestlers. So these guys, like, stack, you know, wrestler bodies. They're stacked big, small, whatever. And I'm just this little skinny kid, you know? This is when I was starting my UFC crew.

I'm the skinny kid. If you look at the pictures, like, no chest having ass, you know, I look like a dork. You know, I. Next to this guy had some tattoos. And then they asked him, and asked him.

Oh, he was like, if I told you, you had to, you had to fight one of these guys. You had to fight any one of these guys to leave the gym. Who would you fight? Who would you choose? And then the guy chose me.

He's like, oh, you chose wrong because that guy would kill you. He's like all these other guys. You might have a chance because they might take you down and hold you down, maybe ground upon you, but that guy is gonna just straight kill you in any, any way you could find. So, yeah, looks can be. Looks can be deceiving, brother.

Looks. Like I said, I know me, I love, I love harassing DC. But that guy looked like a bag of potatoes, brother. And he was a double champ. And number one powerful bond in the world, brother, is it's not looks, right, it's a mindset and it's what you gonna do.

Joe Rogan
Well, Fedor, Fedor to. Yeah, they always had a muffin top, brother. Always, always stood there. Couldn't make two or five. Oh, yeah, easy, easy, bro.

He might be able to make 85. Fedor walked around about 235 pounds. Yeah, I think so one time. He's like 232, 25. Yeah, yeah, fat.

Never was ripped, never was. It fucked everybody up. Yeah, fucked everybody up. Crazy, bro. Crazy.

Max Holloway
And then crazy. It was crazy how Dan handle did him like that. Like this is late, but like, for Daniel do that at any point in their career is insane, bro. I know, then handle is a man, but he's a bad motherfucker. If he was around during the bell, he'd be one of the guys playing football.

Yeah, he's a BMF, bro, through and true. Oh, his logo, like how everybody's like, oh, you look so good. His logo so good. I love, I love bis big, but bro, I know that's iconic, bro. It's iconic.

Joe Rogan
And that, that knockout of fedora was iconic too, cuz he's. How is he fighting him at heavyweight? Like, what are you doing? No, why you, why are you fighting fador at heavy? Like, who the fuck.

He's a 180 viper and he kos him. What an underpunch, bro. Yeah, pose snuck out the back door, taped on the ground and hit him with an uppercut, bro. Yeah, he was a monster, man. Dan Henderson was a bad man, bro.

Bad man in the early days. I mean, he's a pioneer. I mean, that guy was fighting in MMA in the nineties, brother, what, 90? Cause I wasn't, I was born in the one. Yeah, he was fighting MMA before you were born, brother.

Crazy era. That's insane. That's insane. Crazy. Holy.

Max Holloway
I never looked at it. Because your era started when you were 20 years old, right? And while you're fighting, Dan Henderson was the man. Yeah, crazy fighting. Yeah, crazy.

Joe Rogan
And he was fighting before your, you were even conceived. Yeah, years before you thought of.

You were in another dimension waiting. Any day now. Yeah. Come on. When the hell am I gonna win this?

Max Holloway
Yeah. And now here you are. Listen, man, you. It's beautiful for me as a fan of you and as a friend, to see this renaissance and to see people just giving you your due. And, you know, that's a thing that happens when a guy loses a couple of fights.

They just. They sleep on it. You know, we were talking about it during the walk. I'm like, Max is only 32 years old. You have to understand, he's in his prime right now.

Joe Rogan
Like, this is. This is a guy who keeps getting better every time we see him. And they counted you out, man, and you came up big as anybody ever. Had to do something, brother. I was just.

Max Holloway
I know. I shout out to Dana, them. Dana Hunter. Shout out to Sean Shelby, bro, behind the scenes. Sean Shelby.

Know what he did for this fight? He's a man, bro. He's the man. And those guys are great. Him.

Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't. I probably get just wrapping your head around, but just to just have that fight, usually 300, bro, was. Oh, you see, 300 is huge all around, you know. You know, as a big card.

And then to get that finished, like, a lot of people saying it's the movie type finish against Justin Gaethje, a guy who's supposed to. You said it best. Outgunned me. Too big, too strong. Yep.

Was supposed to fucking Tony 2.0 me, whatever the hell that means. How much of a favorite was he. At fight time, brother, when I fight them, he still was two to one. I believe it was like two to one. I think so.

The open at like 260, and then I think so. He closed at like 230. I might be wrong, but then people told me it was like, stood two to one. So I'm just happy, you know, a lot of my fans, they don't really get me an underdog. So, you know, thank you for rocking with me for many years.

There it is. Well, it was the biggest challenge of your career, and it was the best performance. I mean, you were. You were on point, man. The strategy, the movement, everything that jump, spinning, back kick.

Joe Rogan
Cause DC kept saying, like, this is a new skill. Like, the way he's landing. DC's not my friend, bro. He's not a real friend. Telling me new.

Max Holloway
The new skills. I've been doing this from, like, my third USC fight ever. You have? But it was way better now. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, it's way better now. Yeah, it's like it's. It's like anything, right? Like, it's going to get better. I can.

We kept practicing it, bro. Like, like you said, you, bro, you know how devastating this kick is. That kick can change. Even if you. If you.

If you land it on the liver. Mm hmm. You're gonna. Even if it doesn't hurt it, it's gonna, like, longevity. It's like, I like saying what Teddy Atlas said, you know, you put water in the basement, I land that good in your stomach.

Joe Rogan
Yeah. It doesn't feel. It doesn't feel nice, brother. Even if you look normal, you're. Yeah, you know, it's.

Max Holloway
And then I touch you. Touch you there, it's just gonna shock your whole body, and it's going to hurt, bro. It's going to hurt. So that spinning back kick, brother, it's just like I said, the video game, watching you bend the bag, brother, if you could put up that clip, that's. Bro, you was bending that bag, and I was like, what the fuck?

Like, how, like, this kick is strong as shit. Like, I was just thinking of, like, breaking people's spleens with it, you know? That was my best one. Yeah, that's me now as an old man, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

The other one was a younger one. Yeah. But it's still. I do it right. Look at that.

Yeah. To old people today, like, that's what's interesting about this. Jake Paul, Mike Tyson fight. Old people today have hormone replacement, hormone replacements, a game changer. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan
It's a different thing. Like, oh, yeah, a 57 year old man today, like Mike Tyson. It's like, that's not a 57 year old man from 1990. Oh, this is the one. Yeah, that's the 360.

So the idea. The idea to explain that was that. I forget who used to use that a lot. Oh, kung Lee. Boom.

Max Holloway
Look at this, bro. That's over. That's. This the clip I saw. Holy fuck.

I think what the hell is. Joe Rogan jog is on drugs, bro. Look at that. Look at your full extent. Look at the hip, bros.

It went. He bought to freaking land on the bag, bro. Look at the full extension, bro. You hit. So, yeah, look at that.

Look. Oh, my gosh. That's where you get the max power. Yeah. That's crazy.

Joe Rogan
That's maximum amount of power. He'll facing them. Your head looking at it, and you're landing with your heel. And I'm looking over my right shoulder. He's turned away.

So I got full extension. Pushing off the back leg, kicking with the front leg, brother. It's crazy power, and it's not utilized that much. Dennis Siever used to have a good one. Oh, that shit was really good.

Max Holloway
I liked him. Yeah. And then going back to you saying, brother, with. With the Mike Tyson, like, did you see the clips of him, like, moving, bro, he looks good, bro. He's got months to prepare.

Oh, imagine he go in there and just flips the guy, bro, what is going on? He's gonna be hell on wheels in the first round, for sure. He's gonna be hell on wheels, you know, because I don't know how long he can go. I don't know what his joints feel like or his back feels like. I don't know what's really going on.

Joe Rogan
When you watch clips of a guy hitting. Yeah, let's hope he gets something crazy and then he say his back is broken. That iconic speech. Get another iconic speech from him. It's gonna be interesting.

And it's the only time I could ever remember where I was. I would be interested in watching a 57 year old man fight a 20 year old man. Yeah, for sure. Like you said, like, even, bro. Like, cuz everybody saw him walking around the cane, right?

Max Holloway
He's walking around. What if he trolling everybody. What if he knew, bro? What if he knew something we didn't know? What if he's wearing or seeing us all over, you know?

But. But even that, bro, they had the new video of him moving. I'm like, this is not fair. What is he doing? They're gonna do everything to him.

Joe Rogan
They're gonna give him all the hormones, all the recovery, everything. They're gonna do everything they can to get him ready for that. There's a lot of money in this. That's a lot of money, bro. And it's only an exhibition, right?

Max Holloway
It's not even a real fight. Right? And they have 16 ounce gloves, and they. They have to fight two minutes. Yeah, but you can still kill someone with 69 if you're Mike Tyson.

Joe Rogan
Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. If you're Mike Tyson. You know, I mean. I mean, even Paul, bros.

Max Holloway
Pause. Not a small guy. No, he's big. Like, a lot of guys think he's tiny. He's.

He's a huge boy. He's a big dude, and he can crack. Yeah. And I always say that people look at him like a guy who is a youtuber and they're denying more bro. Name before, when he first was coming off.

That's the way. That's the way you should look at them. But now bro, he had, like, yeah, like, love in his corner. Like, love is his main trainer. What is it?

Judge John love or he's one of Floyd boys? That guy is. He was, like, a legit world champion at one point, so he knows the training that he has to be done. Like, before, I was like, yeah, whatever. But when you see Paul dedicate himself and how he's training, getting ready for these guys, like, he's a businessman, too, don't get me wrong.

But he's training, bro. He's not. He's not freaking cutting no corners, bro. He got the right guys. He got a right team, straight and conditioning, probably.

Eating right, eating good, fighting on his terms, bro. Yeah. Guys, what do you think of Anthony Joshua and Francis and Ghana? Oh, brother. Brother.

Joe Rogan
Crazy, right? Sucks. Yeah. I thought. I thought if.

Max Holloway
If Anthony was gonna be able to, like, really shock the world, this was. I was like, I give him Anthony Joshua first. I was thinking that, like, he. He could have Andy Ruiz. Like, Joshua is known for, like, kind of getting caught and he gets rocked.

So, like, I always thought that Anthony, not Anthony, but Nagano had the opportunity to be like, oh, you can probably strike him. You know, you can hurt him. You can probably hurt him with a hand. Especially because nobody knew anything about before the Tyson. Yeah, before the Tyson fight, but I think, so the Tyson fight shook up the world.

And. And these guys, like, even, like, what's his name? Joshua was saying that there was a gimmick fight and he's the next guy. Yeah, how you call it? I called Nagano a gimmick fighting.

You fight him next, and you any trained, you know, I mean, like, you could tell, bro, he was like, not like what he did to Tyson, brother. Like a lot of people, I thought he won, bro. When I watching it, I was like, bro, this guy won. I thought he was a decision. He won.

I think this guy's about to shake up the whole thing. But of course, it's boxing there, you know? It is what it is, but, yeah, and in front, Francis went out there. He was saying that like he was tired the time, whatever, right? Like the thing.

But Anthony Joshua looks like he's so good, bro. It's just a difference in skill. You caught him with that right hand the first round and rocked him. It's just a difference in skill level. Like, Anthony Joshua is an Olympic gold medalist.

And you can see. You can see. Look, the fiend. Look, the fiend. Look what he's doing.

He's already. He's already even dropping his hand. You know, he's also shooting that jab to the bottom and looking for Francis to counter with that left hook. Francis leans back and throws that left hook a lot. Yeah, he goes like this.

Joe Rogan
Yeah. And that's what he caught. And that's what he caught Tyson Fury with. Boom. Look, look, he leaned back there, too.

Max Holloway
Look, he lean straight back. Oh, man.

Joe Rogan
Yeah, it was a big win. Oh, this guy is some big dudes. Big win for big dizzy. Yeah, big one. Joshua's so fast.

Max Holloway
Yeah. He's so fat and he matches him strength wise. Yeah, yeah. Different than Tyson Fury. Strain and speed, you know, but much faster.

Joe Rogan
Yeah, that right hand. Oh, right over. That right hand over the top. He was fucked here. Now he gets up.

He's in real trouble here. Yeah, and doom. I mean that, right. He never moved, bro. He didn't even see it.

Max Holloway
No, he did not even see it, brother. He was already out here. Like he's. But you saw how that set up. Because then he was doing the job to the body, like you said, jab to the body judge.

So he. He sat down and stuff. Kind of froze going back. This got overhand. Perfect.

Joe Rogan
Beautiful boxing. Boxing exhibition, man. Beautiful boxing. You ever think you're gonna do any boxing matches? Mother.

Max Holloway
I don't know, bro. I don't know. I would love to. Would be fun. Yeah.

Yeah. I would say who? You know? But like. Like I said, we got a lot.

I got. It's not even worth calling out or doing anything cuz I didn't there. I'm with the UFC, and if the UFC don't see it making money, they're not gonna give it. And then all I'm gonna be is be one of these dumbasses on the Internet calling out stupid fights for no reason. It's not gonna happen, you know, I mean.

Joe Rogan
Right? So at the end of the day, it is what it. I would love if personally, if you ask me, I would love to box, but I would love to, to, to. I. I have some boxing.

Max Holloway
Some boxing cousins that's coming up in the boxing world right now. Even. Even a friend, he just fought on the 28. He just won. JJ Bonito, he's the man.

And. And then my cousin, and they're coming up, they're fighting. My cousin, them. And I would love to box. When I box in them, it's fun.

It's having fun. I have great. And then to go in there and actually box someone to see the difference. I would love to see it, you know? Do you have, like, right now, like.

Joe Rogan
Like at 32 years old? Do you have a timeline for the rest of your career. Do you have a thought? I don't. I don't.

Max Holloway
I don't wanna. I don't want to fight 240 for sure. You know, I mean, like, you know, I always thought, like, maybe 35, 36. We kind of look at it. It all depends on where I'm at in my career.

You know, if I'm stood in the top five and, and, you know, even championship level, if I'm stood here, I'm doing what I'm doing here at 35, 36, maybe we squeeze out a little bit. But this. And I always, I tell you, every time we talk, you know, I want. I want. I want to retire the game.

I don't want the game to retire my ass, brother. Because how much times we see not only in our sports, but any sports, the greats, they just don't, they don't, they don't leave when they supposed to leave. And it just kind of like, yeah, they have a great legacy, but it kind of hurts it at the end. Like, even though you can talk about the great stuff that they did, it still kind of hurts them. Like, oh, you kind of stayed.

You overstayed your welcome, you know, and, and that's come. I got a bunch of other stuff, you know, that I'm trying to try to get into. Like, like I said, with this new brew drink that, that you're drinking right now. I'm a corner of that. I.

The streaming stuff, I love g. I know you love gaming. I don't know if you've been gaming, but the streaming stuff, I love it now. That's great. And I love been playing games because at the end of day, a lot of these guys that, they identify themselves with their sport, and when they retire, they don't have nothing, so they come back anyway because they kind of lose themselves.

They feel like, oh, this is my identity. So I'm trying to build these stuff. So I have another venture. So as soon as we go, I can try and attack this. Like, I would love to stream when I'm older, you know, even freaking podcasts or interview or do something like you need.

These guys need to understand that they need something outside of their sport before they let go. You know, like, kobe was doing it right, you know, I mean, rest in peace to him, but he did it right. You know, when he was getting rid of surfing, he started doing his podcast. He started doing all kind of other stuff. He started getting more in hand with his daughter's basketball, and, like, he was doing stuff to make himself forget about what he did.

And he was focusing on other stuff to make himself great in. In another way. So that's the main thing, you know, as long as I can compete at an elite level, you know, I don't want to be this guy that just hanging on and everybody like, oh, man. I don't fucking. It would sadden me today that I'm fucking walking out to a fight, and Joe Ogam's like, yeah, max did this, this and this, but, you know, he's a little bit older now.

Like, I'd be fucking. I would be distraught. You know what I mean? I'd be like, what the fuck? I don't want fucking Joe Rogan talking my ass walking out of the fight like that, you know?

Joe Rogan
Retire on top, man. Retire on top. Listen, brother, it's been an amazing time as a person who loves the sport to watch you rise. Thank you, brother. It's been incredible to see you fight from the very first from.

Max Holloway
Yeah.

Joe Rogan
Been incredible, man. And just congratulations on just the greatest knockout of all time. Epic performance. It was amazing. I can.

I can't wait to see in there again. Thank you, brother. Thank you. Thank you. Tell everybody how they can watch your streams where they can find you.

Social media, all that shit, brother. Instagram, Twitter, or X. Now at bless mMa. And then I'm gonna stream kick.com backslash, Max Holloway. We stream gamba.

Max Holloway
We stream first person shooters. I'm an apex legend shooter. So come see me if you want to play. Come see him. All right.

Joe Rogan
Beautiful. Thank you, brother. Thank you, brother. Bye, everybody. Buddy.

Max Holloway
Buddy.

Joe Rogan
Buddy.

JRE MMA Show #155 with Max Holloway

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2: Career Challenges

3: Training and Health

4: The Psychology of Fighting

5: Looking Ahead

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