I've Never Seen a Weaker Case': Alan Dershowitz Exposes CHAOS at Trump Trial | Guests: Tulsi Gabbard & Alan Dershowitz | 5/22/24

This episode discusses the legal proceedings and perceived injustices in the trial of Donald Trump, featuring insights from legal expert Alan Dershowitz and former U.S. Representative Tulsi Gabbard.

1. Alan Dershowitz observed and reported significant procedural issues during the Trump trial, indicating a biased approach towards the prosecution.
2. Tulsi Gabbard discussed the political implications of the trial, emphasizing its potential to deepen national divides.
3. The episode illustrates a broader critique of the American judicial process, questioning its integrity and fairness in politically charged cases.
4. Concerns were raised about the influence of media and public opinion on judicial outcomes.
5. The discussion extends beyond the trial, touching on issues of governance, constitutional rights, and the role of the judiciary in American democracy.

1: Opening Remarks

Glenn Beck introduces the episode's focus on the Trump trial chaos, with a sponsorship mention and brief commentary on current political tensions. Alan Dershowitz: "In 60 years of law practice, I've never seen a weaker case."

2: Dershowitz's Courtroom Observations

Dershowitz shares his firsthand observations from the courtroom, criticizing the judge's conduct and the trial's fairness. Alan Dershowitz: "The judge's actions were unprecedented and deeply concerning."

3: Gabbard's Political Analysis

Tulsi Gabbard provides insights into the political landscape surrounding the trial, discussing its implications for American democracy. Tulsi Gabbard: "This trial reflects broader issues of political bias and judicial integrity."

4: Legal and Political Implications

Discussion on the potential long-term effects of the trial on public trust in the judicial system and political institutions. Alan Dershowitz: "Such trials erode public confidence in legal fairness."

5: Closing Thoughts

The episode concludes with reflections on the need for transparency and fairness in judicial proceedings, especially in politically sensitive cases. Glenn Beck: "We must demand fairness and accountability in our judiciary to preserve democracy."

1. Stay informed about judicial processes, especially in high-profile cases.
2. Advocate for transparency and fairness in legal proceedings.
3. Engage in civic discussions to understand the intersection of law and politics.
4. Support legal reforms aimed at ensuring judicial impartiality.
5. Educate others about the importance of an unbiased judiciary.

Glenn and Stu discuss the chaos that went down as the prosecution rested its case regarding the Trump hush-money controversy. Glenn lists all the fast food prices that have increased in recent years. Glenn and Stu complain about the massive amount of money the Biden administration continues to waste on failing policies and the indoctrination of our schoolchildren. Former U.S. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) joins to explain her political journey from being a Bernie Sanders supporter to speaking out against the Democrat Party. Harvard Law School Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz joins to share the chaos he witnessed as the judge overseeing Trump's hush money trial threatened something shocking. Leah McGhee, the mother of the son who was suspended for saying "illegal alien" and threatened by the school board, joins to give an update on where her fight back stands. Glenn explains why he believes a color revolution is near.

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Glenn Beck
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Glenn Beck
It's a new day. I turn around.

Welcome to the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

Hello, America. We've got a great show coming for you today.

We have Tulsi Gabbard on. We also have Alan Dershowitz. I don't know if you've heard what Alan Dershowitz just recently wrote about, but he was in the courtroom yesterday for the final day of the Trump trial, and it was, it was amazing. Also, a little chart came out about how much your happy meal has gone up since Biden took office. Oh, and another thing, I believe Biden is emptying the strategic oil reserve for the east coast because the election's coming up and we need to get prices down on gasoline. This is unbelievably reckless. Just suicide. We're on a suicide course as a nation.

We'll try to cut some of the rope down here in 60 seconds. Stand by.

Let me tell you about Lear capital, one of the things we're doing, which is causing suicide or it's nation suicide. Well, let me just give you this. The McDonald price increase. Do you know how much a medium french fry was? Have you seen this, Stu?

How much was a medium french fry at McDonald's before Joe Biden took office?

Stu
I don't know the numbers, but it's a lot less.

Glenn Beck
Okay. It was $1.79.

Do you know what it is today?

Stu
You'd think I would since I'm there twelve times a week. But no, I don't.

Glenn Beck
$4.19. Wow. Wow.

What is causing that it's no longer Covid. It's no longer shortages.

This is money printing. This is our government spending all kinds of money and money printing. You have lost twenty five cents of every dollar. Every dollar is just gone out of your bank account because of inflation.

Please, if you're in the stock market, everybody's saying, oh, my gosh, the stock market is doing great. Yeah, well, why is gold doing so well as well?

Why is bitcoin doing as well as it is right now? That makes no sense that they're all doing well. The reason why is because the smart people know that this is a casino. Wall street is nothing more than a casino, and it's all being used with bogus money. There's no rhyme or reason. It is as high as it is. You need Lear capital. Please call them and get your free wealth protection guide. Lear will also credit your account. If you decide to buy anything, because you listen to me. $250 towards your purchase. Call them today. 800 957 gold. 800 957 gold.

Well, welcome to the program, stu. Welcome.

Stu
Yes.

Glenn Beck
To have you here.

Stu
Glenn. Good to have you here, too. You know, the blaze tv listeners are demanding a video appearance. They want to see the phantom.

Glenn Beck
They want to see the phantom.

Stu
Yeah, they can handle. That's what they're saying.

Glenn Beck
The first part of the phantom of the opera, he's wearing the mask, and you're like, you know, I'm cool with that. And. And then when he takes the mask off, you're like, oh, he should put that back on.

Stu
It's a less. I mean, you could probably pull some information out of that for your own life.

Glenn Beck
Right?

That has nothing to do with my eye surgery. Right, right.

Stu
Oh, yeah.

Glenn Beck
So I. Yesterday at the blaze, they were like, please, the, you know, blaze subscribers are calling and blah, blah, blah. And I don't believe any of it. I think this is somebody.

Somebody that works at the blaze who's just like, we gotta have him on camera looking like a, you know, monster.

Stu
Yeah. Someone who knows who it could be. I don't know.

I don't have a name, but it's someone.

Glenn Beck
Yeah. Probably a three lettered person like Tom. Anyway, so I'm. I've on sunglasses. I hate having to wear the sunglasses. Should I wear the sunglasses or my regular glasses still?

Stu
I think the sunglasses is a good look on you.

Glenn Beck
Always. It's a good look for me.

Stu
Good luck.

Glenn Beck
Okay, so we're gonna do parts of the show. If you're a video subscriber, there I am in my glory. You can't really see anything because you don't want to see it.

But uh, so you can there very happy blaze of this. Somehow or another you're like, oh yes, oh yeah, more sunglasses.

Stu
And you know, Glenn, you're kind of like the elementary school kid who goes away for chemotherapy and comes back without hair. Then everyone in their class shaves their head. So I just want to be supportive with you right now.

Glenn Beck
And oh, you're gonna put the shades on.

Stu
I will also wear sunglasses for today's show.

Glenn Beck
Unfortunately, we're gonna have to go back and forth because I have to keep ice on my face all the time. Yesterday I had my, I did the whole show with my face in a bag of ice.

So, but anyway, well, putting ice on.

Stu
My face, I'm not putting my ice on my face to support you, but I'll wear the sunglasses.

Glenn Beck
I appreciate the sunglasses too. Okay, so where do we even start today?

I mean, did you read the story about Alan Dershowitz, his op ed?

Stu
Yeah. He was angry, shocked, shocked.

Glenn Beck
He's going to be joining us. He's going to be joining us in about 90 minutes. He is.

I'm anxious to see what he says about, you know, because he's been saying we're so close to a banana republic.

And I'm anxious to see what he has to say because he was in the courtroom yesterday. I think it was the last day of the defense. Defense rested and the attorney, the very credible attorney that was giving testimony Costello yeah Costello when he was giving testimony there was an objection from the prosecution without even asking what's your objection?

Granted. And it struck a good portion of his testimony away.

And there was nothing, according to Dershowitz, there was nothing wrong with it. And that's when Costello, who again is an attorney, raised his eyebrows, looked at the judge and raised his eyebrows like what?

And that pissed the judge off so much that he cleared the courtroom and he said, you do that to me again and I'll strike every bit of your testimony from the record. Dershowitz said he was allowing things that had no relevance for the prosecution in the case, for the prosecution, allowing that all in and then striking probably the death blow to this whole case from Costello. He was threatening to get rid of all of it.

And Dershowitz said, I've seen court in Russia and I have never seen anything like this. He said this case should have been on television. He said, because I was there. He said for some reason I was the only one allowed to remain in the courtroom. Everybody else was cleared out. And he said, I saw what this judge did. And he said, and then I went home and I saw what the reporters were allowed to see and what they were reporting on, which I also saw. And he said it was not the same. He said, americans are losing on this. They have no idea what's going on. You think it was bad? Dershowitz yesterday, being in the courtroom, said, this is a monstrosity of a trial.

Stu
And the whole thing has been a monstrosity. The fact that it's getting seemingly worse now at the end is, I don't know if it's not, I don't know what I would say what's surprising, but it is something that is so disturbing. I think the only thing that you can kind of hold up and maybe take solace in, if you're the Trump side, is that this has been, I think, obvious to a lot of people that this was the weakest one coming in. And it's been, it's actually gone worse, I would argue, than you. You would even think.

Glenn Beck
Dershowitz said there's no way this stands. They can rule whatever you want, he said, but this, none of this will.

Stu
Stand the question, though. Does that matter? I mean, if he gets this thing overturned in March 2025, I mean, what good does that do him if he, if he's, if it hurts him for his election?

Glenn Beck
Let me just tell you, America, you know, they always say that it's the economy, stupid. And that's why.

Check on this, Stu. I read a story today, and I hate to say this, but I read it in a story and it was a credible source. But I'd like a second source on this because this seems insane, that the, however many gallons or barrels that Biden is releasing from the strategic oil reserve, he's doing it from the strategic oil reserve in the northeast, which will empty our gas, our gas reserves in the northeast. That can't be true.

Stu
I don't know if it can't be.

This is not the strategic oil reserve, right? This is the strategic gasoline reserve.

Glenn Beck
Correct.

Stu
And it is coming from the northeast in seemingly an attempt to buy a bunch of votes with lower gas prices. But I will check on what the reserve levels are, and I'll look like I'm doing it seriously in these sunglasses.

Glenn Beck
Thank you. Me, too. I'm glad we can get very serious. Look me into the eye. You don't want to do that anyway.

I just want people to understand, if you think it's bad now, what do you think it's going to be like in another four years of this?

Right now, McDonald's has their $5 value meal.

They came out yesterday and said, we can't do this for very long because it's absolutely unsustainable. But we're trying to give people a break. When's the last time you went to McDonald's and you spent under $5? Under $10?

If you've gone for yourself, it's probably ten to $12. You go with two people. You go with four people. You know your family. You're probably up to $40 at McDonald's.

Listen to the price increases. This is the first numbers will be during Trump.

French fries. Dollar 79. Biden, 419.

That's an increase of 134%.

The McChicken, $1.29. Now it's 389, a 201% increase.

The Big Mac was.

Let me see, 399. Oh, my. That can't be right. Hang on. Take me off the screen. I have to take my glasses off and put my actual glasses on to make sure this is right.

The Big Mac was 399. It's now 749.

Ten McNuggets was 499. It's now 758. A cheeseburger was a dollar. It's now 315.

That that's.

What do you think is going to happen?

People at the bottom of the ladder, they always say, we're for the working person. We're for the. No, you're not. They're for the very wealthy. Who's getting wealthy right now? Who is not having a problem?

The people who are not having a problem are the people who have lots and lots of money and are invested in the stock market. Now, you might be invested in the stock market, in your 401k, but that's not what. That's not the same.

The corporations are getting all kinds of deals from the government if they play along, all kinds of deals from the government, and they're. They're putting all of that extra money, and especially the banks, all of it into the stock market. That's what's happening. The rich, and I don't mean the rich. I mean the uber rich and the giant corporations. I mean the people who are trust fund people and the giant corporations.

They are clearing the table.

Every day they're clearing the table. There won't be a middle class in this country in another four years. It won't exist.

I wondered when we first wrote the great reset, I wondered, how do you, by 2030, arrive to a place where you will own nothing and you will like it, especially in a country that is all about ownership.

I mean, look at what's happening. Just to your insurance, how much is your car insurance? How much is your home insurance?

Why did that go up so much?

Guess who's playing ball with the administration?

The insurance companies.

When they start raising your insurance, you can't afford to own what you own. You want to get rid of guns? Great. Make your, make your insurance for gun ownership through the roof, and the average person won't be able to buy it. And they haven't done anything unconstitutional. No, we're just going with the market. Bull crap.

Bull crap.

All of this stuff we have to begin to explain to our families and our neighbors.

This is not normal. This is not Jimmy Carter.

You know, Jimmy Carter was a series of horrible blunders. And yes, he had socialist tendencies, but where it's not the same as it was with Jimmy Carter, we're on the edge. We didn't have the debt with Jimmy Carter. We didn't have the fractured society without God.

Did you hear what's happening with AA, Stu? Let me take a quick break. I mean, you want to talk about they're destroying everything.

When, when you get down to destroying aa, you have a society that is.

Is just hell bent on, you know, living in hell honestly. We'll give it to you here in just a second.

All right.

Stu
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Glenn Beck
Welcome to the program. So the blaze has an exclusive story out about AA, which I personally thank the blaze and the writer. I'm not sure who wrote this story for covering, but we were getting word that AA is going woke. And if you know anything about AA, it is absolutely non partisan. You don't talk about politics. You don't, you don't talk about those things. You talk about what a dirt bag you were.

And, you know, and I've seen people. I mean, look, look, if I were in recovery with Hunter Biden, I would bless Hunter Biden for being there. I would listen to him and I would think to myself, what a dirtbag. But I would say, keep on coming back. Keep working the program, because if you work the program, it changes your life. But AA, up until the 1930s and Bill W. Came up with the twelve steps, nothing solved. Alcoholism, nothing. If you were an alcoholic, you would end up either dead or in an institution. Okay? There was no hope for you at all.

Nobody had cracked the code.

And quite honestly, the code is, and you don't have to, I don't care what God it is. I really don't. Well, I mean, the Satan would probably be a bad one, but I don't care what God it is. But you have to understand that the first few steps is I'm powerless over this. I've done everything I can to stop it, and I can't stop it. And there's a higher power that can. And so I surrender to that higher power.

And then you go through the atonement. You go through, you know, if you've, if you've been a dirtbag, you're cheating on your wife, it, it's not gonna help if you just stop.

You have to make amends. You don't necessarily have to tell her if it's gonna make things worse, but you have to make amends. You have to confess it and you have to be forgiven for it. There's, there's steps that you have to do, and there's twelve of them.

What's happening in a lot of these aas is they are starting to go very, very woke. And now they're starting to talk to people about, you know, hey, hey, hey. Don't Miss Gender. Shut up. Shut up.

You know, I said to my daughter, we were talking we were having breakfast, the whole family and everybody, and I used, and appropriately so, quite honestly, the r word that you're not supposed to say. And my eldest daughter said, dad, we do not use that word. And I said, hmm, you know, I do. I do. And I think it's because I'm 60 now. I don't really care. I do.

And you can't become woke in AA. And if you read the story, when you get towards the end, you see that they're now trying to cut God out of AA.

It will not work without a higher power.

Are there any AA members that will give me an amen on that? Will not work without a higher power of some sort? Your God concept.

They're destroying AA. Glenn Beck.

All right, let me tell you about real estate agents I trust. Once upon a time, it was sort of, kind of just a given that if you had a job to do, you would do it well. You do it right the first time, so you didn't have to do it over and over again. I listened to my grandfather on that one after he, after he made me, we were working on a chicken barn, and I don't remember what I had to do, but he made me do redo it three times. And he was like, it would have been easier if you would have done it the first time, right? And I'm like, yeah, but I'm lazy anyway.

You don't want people like I was, you know, before my grandfather taught me that lesson. You want somebody who knows the job, knows how to do it right, really good. Real estate agents. When you're selling your house, somebody who has a big Rolodex, has people coming to their website already looking for a house like yours. I started a business a few years ago. It is called real estate agents I trust. We vet these people six ways to Sunday. We have a, I think, a 10,000 agent waiting list, but we can't vet them all.

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Stu
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Glenn Beck
Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

You know, before we move off money and how much our government is spending, I just want to ask you one thing.

Imagine that you spend just some outrageous number that you know you can't afford, and you come home to your family and it's taken you a hundred days and you make $70,000 and you come home and you say, I just spent a million dollars on credit.

What do you think your family would say?

How are we going to pay for that? How's that going to work out? Sure.

But probably the first question they would ask is, what did you buy?

Right?

What did you spend the million dollars on?

And if you couldn't tell the family that, well, you bought a house and a boat or something else that was great that you could sell, do you think they would be if you just said, I don't know, it's a bunch of stuff, you know, some of it was at the strip club.

Some of it I just gave to this guy on the street who was, he said, he, scott, he's curing cancer and he has no reputation for. I mean, he's not even a scientist, but I gave him $250,000.

What would the reaction be? I would think that your family would put you in an asylum.

We are spending $1 trillion and borrowing $1 trillion every 100 days.

May I ask, what did we buy?

A trillion dollars is a lot of money. I don't know if anybody remembers that, but a trillion dollars is an awful lot of money.

Did we buy giant companies?

Did we buy. Did we buy, I don't even know, a trillion dollars? Did we buy a whole bunch of new aircraft carriers?

What do we have to show for the $3 trillion extra that we will borrow this year?

What do we have to show for it? Can you think of a thing, Stu, that you're like, yeah, but I mean, look at that. We got that cool thing.

One thing you might say roads and bridges, but I gotta tell you, first of all, most roads and bridges are state projects or local projects, not us projects. And I've been hearing about our roads and bridges for 25 years. They've been saying we need, you know, we need $787 billion to be able to do the roads and bridges and we'll be fixed. What do we have?

Stu
Yeah, I mean, the infrastructure bill, which was, by the way, a bipartisan bill. Yeah, I know, Bill. That one was not even this year. So that I couldn't put that in there. And I don't know that we're. I mean, we're getting certainly a lot out of that, but we're, I'm sure getting a couple roads and bridges here and there.

I don't know. I can't. I. Again, I myself, this question every April. I don't. I don't know what I'm getting for this money.

Glenn Beck
I know. I know. Okay. Let me tell you about just a measly 320 million that we spent.

We spent $320 million on a pier made for the people of Gaza.

The pier. Joe Biden's idea, was to be able to distribute more aid within the war zone. Why did they do that? Well, they were first bringing him through border crossings, and the Hamas was shooting all of the volunteers, and then they would just steal all of the food. So it wasn't getting to the people.

Then we decided maybe we should airdrop. No, the same thing would happen. So we spent $320 million, quite honestly, risk the lives of our soldiers and everybody else that was building that stupid beer.

And we've put some of the aid on this pier, and now it looks like none of the aid has gotten to the people of Gaza.

So, zero.

Stu
Yeah, nothing.

Glenn Beck
Zero.

Stu
Nothing. According to them, by the way. That's. This is according to the. To the people who are responsible for watching this. Nothing has gotten to Gaza.

Glenn Beck
Nothing.

Stu
What they have now, they have had trucks leave this pier and start going towards get the stuff loaded onto trucks and the stuff guards going to Gaza, they just keep getting intercepted by Palestinians in the middle of it and Hamas members who are taking all the stuff. So that's. And by the way, Glenn, if I could just note real quick, if you make, let's say, 75 grand a year, on average, throughout your working life, and you work for 50 years, from age 20 to age 70, and average $75,000, you pay your taxes diligently, every single year, your entire life will amount to paying for 0.3% of that peer.

Glenn Beck
I can't. I mean, I've always been. You know, you gotta pay your taxes. You gotta pull your fair share. And believe me, I explained. I explained to my grandchildren yesterday. I picked them up at school.

I wasn't driving, by the way. My son in law was driving and picked him up at school, and I said, what'd you learn today? And they read this really great book about how rich people were stealing water from this community, and they were making all this money, and there had to be a law that is passed that says that rich people can't do that. Water belongs to everybody.

And I was like, oh, dear God.

Stu
What school are you sending these kids to?

Glenn Beck
I'm not sending them to that school.

Stu
Okay. School socialism.

Glenn Beck
Yeah. So it's. It's an international baccalaureate school.

So, anyway, so, uh. And.

And she said, and they don't pay taxes, you know, grandpa?

And I said, hmm, they don't pay taxes.

Do you think grandpa makes, you know, a lot of money? Oh, yeah. You make a lot of money. Uh huh. Uh huh.

So does grandpa pay taxes?

Well, I guess. What would be fair for grandpa to pay?

I don't know.

Would it be fair if grandpa had to take 50 frickin cents of every dollar he makes and gives it to, you know, the community and everything else? Wait a minute. No. So you'd make $20 and they'd take ten? Uh huh.

No, that's not fair. Uh huh. That's what grandpa pays. That's what grandpa pays. If I'm lucky, if I live in New York, I pay more than 50%.

Oh, my gosh. They are indoctrinating our children. And how do you expect them to vote? How do you expect them to know the truth if they're raised on this garbage every day?

Hey, you know, trillion dollars, that's. You know that when I was your age, that number was a joke. We didn't even know if a trillion. I mean, I'm asking sincerely because this is how unreasonable it was a trillion dollars. When I was a kid in the seventies and early eighties, when you said a trillion, it was usually followed by, like, a trillion zillion dollars. I want to know, is a zillion a real number?

Because I think we're going to learn it soon.

Do you know, stu, is a zillion a true, true number, or is that just what kids made up thinking? I grew up thinking a trillion was a made up number.

What, is the next number bigger than a trillion?

Stu
I know it goes trillion, quadrillion, quintillion.

So we got a little while to go before we started getting to a zillion, which I do not believe is an actual real number.

Glenn Beck
I don't think so either. But who knows? We will find out. We will find out at the end of this, and your money will be absolutely worthless. I wanted to ask you. We only have a couple of minutes. Let me ask you, Stu, about the FBI authorizing deadly force against Donald Trump when they raided Mar a Lago.

Stu
Yeah, this is a story that came out today. And, you know, looking at the actual documents when they rated Mar a Lago, it has a phrase in there, and I don't have the exact phrasing in front of me, but it says something. The effect of it was justified.

Only use lethal force if absolutely necessary is the way it's phrased.

Glenn Beck
Law enforcement officers of the Department of Justice may use deadly force when necessary.

Stu
When necessary. So the question is, is this a normal thing that's on every quote unquote raid?

Glenn Beck
And I believe it is.

Stu
It is. Okay, so I mean, look, that shouldn't be necessary. Wasn't necessary, obviously. We now know it's scary, though, with the way the government abuses their power when you see wording like this, especially when you think, you know, you see how many people, how many threats a person like Donald Trump gets on a daily basis, right? And, you know, no one ever seems to care or report on them. But this guy's constantly being threatened online.

Glenn Beck
I want to make sure that I would love, maybe we have to FoIA, FoIA it, but the warrant to go into Joe Biden's garage and to go into Joe Biden's office, you know, at the university, I wonder if it says use of deadly force in that one. It probably does, but I'd like to verify that. And here's why I think we should engage our brains when we issue the, I don't think there should just be, ah, you know what? It's just a boilerplate. You can use deadly force. No, I don't think so.

You know, you're going to arrest somebody on the face act. No, I don't think you can use deadly force.

If you're going to a president's house or a former president's house, I'd like to, you know, just put a little extra in there and say, hey, you know what? No matter what happens, unless you're being fired at by the president or his, you know, anyone in his building, you can't kill him.

It's not really worth that. You know, we're already trying to put one in jail. What do you say? We don't have the, the current administration put out an, assassinate another president. And I say that with Joe Biden as well. If that was in Joe Biden's, it shouldn't be there.

What do we, what have we become?

Can, can we use some common sense?

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You know, I want to make this really clear about this document because I don't, well, I know that that kind of language about use of force is in all of these documents. I'm suggesting that we, we, we re examine that, especially with the things that we have people dealing with right now.

I don't want to see any of our police officers or anybody in the line of duty get shot and put them in a bad situation. But let's just talk about the president.

You would be. And I, let's take Donald Trump out of it so it's not slanted that way. Let me go to somebody who I really disagree with.

If we had done the same thing to Joe Biden and there was an order to kill, and you've got, you know, somebody who likes guns and drugs in his family, imagine going in to get the documents and there's any kind of gunplay at all. We're shooting the president's son. We're possibly shooting the president or his wife in an accident, whatever that makes us, that makes us a third world country all the time.

If those documents were that important, and this, I believe, was just a photo op, and I don't believe they were going in to try to kill the president, that's nonsense. But they were going in for a photo op. And to get these documents, I do believe from here on out, if you have a president has documents like that, you don't have an order to use force if necessary, you go there with some, you know, with some bean counters, which they did, and try to get the documents. And if they don't, I believe the president, if it was Trump, he should get on the air and say this. We've done it the right way. We're going in, we're not going to be armed, but we have to get these documents and make the case to the american people. Because if you do something like, I mean, just look at what happened, that was an assault on half of America. If something, God forbid, would have happened at Mar a Lago, it would have been civil war. The Glenn Beck program.

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Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. This is going to be a fun hour because two of my favorite, I guess I, maybe I would call them both classic liberals, and I disagree with both of them on many, many things, but I like them so much, I consider them friends, because while we disagree, we can still like each other and talk to each other and pound things out without hating each other the way, you know, the way we used to be in this country.

The former Us congresswoman, who is supposedly on a short list to be vice president, Tulsi Gabbard joins me. And then in 30 minutes, we have Alan Dershowitz, who is in the courtroom and allowed to stay when the judge cleared the courtroom in one of the most amazing kind of Soviet Union things he says he's ever seen. We'll talk to him. 30 minutes. Tulsi Gabbard in 60 seconds. Stand by.

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Tulsi Gabbard, welcome to the program. How are you?

Tulsi Gabbard
Very good, my friend.

Leah McGhee
How are you?

Glenn Beck
I'm good. I'm good.

Are you in Hawaii right now?

Leah McGhee
I am in Virginia today and tomorrow in Texas the day after. I'm on the road living out of a suitcase.

Glenn Beck
Oh, boy.

So first of all, you know, you're on a short list, and I'm not going to ask you, you know, anything other than have you had a conversation with him about being vice president?

Leah McGhee
I've spoken to him. I won't. I won't talk about what we spoke about.

I've met and spoken to him.

Glenn Beck
Would you serve in any capacity in a Trump administration?

Leah McGhee
I would serve in a capacity where I felt that I could actually be effective in helping to get our country back on track, both in domestic policy and foreign policy.

Glenn Beck
So, Tulsi, you know, I respect you. I really like you. We disagree on things. You were a former Bernie Sanders supporter, you know, but I also know you love the Constitution and America and the country. And just finding somebody who loves America is very hard to find right now.

Can you help me out on understanding the Bernie Sanders to, you know, I'd be willing to serve in a Trump administration.

Leah McGhee
Of course, I'm glad you asked because it is, on its face, kind of a big mental. But when you actually look at the reason, when I made that announcement back in 2016 to resign as vice chair of the DNC so that I could get involved in that democratic presidential primary, I focused on one thing. I announced my endorsement of Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton around foreign policy.

Bernie Sanders of today is even different now than he was back then on this, on some of these foreign policy issues. But there was a very clear contrast between Hillary Clinton, the queen of war mongers, and Bernie Sanders, who has for a long time largely been more of a non interventionist. And I was frustrated because as an officer of the DNC, I couldn't, you know, according to the rules, get involved or speak out publicly. But as you remember, Glenn, people were saying that Hillary Clinton was the most qualified person ever to run for president in the history of our country.

But of course, I know. I still laugh when I think about that. And it wasn't just her campaign people who were saying this. It was supposedly serious people on the different cable shows and the broadcast news shows and the Meet the press type shows. But they never went beyond, okay, well, she's held this title and that title and that title. They would never go into what her record actually was, the kinds of decisions that she made, the things that she influenced and urged President Obama to do as his secretary of state. And for me, as an american citizen, as a soldier and a veteran of various wars and conflicts, I felt strongly about the fact that Hillary Clinton would be the most dangerous president and commander in chief for our country, our freedom, our security, and our liberty. And so I took the opportunity to make that endorsement of Bernie Sanders around that issue so that I could have a platform to call her out directly to the american people, so that at a minimum, they could make a more informed decision about who they wanted to be the democratic presidential nominee for that time.

Glenn Beck
So.

So that explains an awful lot. The State Department, you know, has been off the rails for 100 years, and they're very warmongering. What's happening in Ukraine is obscene.

And strangely, I think since Ronald Reagan, and I think even more so than Ronald Reagan, but it was a different time. Donald Trump is the least, he understands peace through strength, but he is the least likely to go to war. And yet the left keeps saying he's a warmonger.

Leah McGhee
It's their tried and true tactic. And you see them doing this not only with an issue as serious as war and peace, but you also see how they're doing it around democracy. You know, they're claiming he will be the dictator in chief and this will be the last election that's ever held, if he wins and so on and so forth. Yet we look at how they're weaponizing the Department of Justice and all that they are doing, both to target and prosecute, throwing everything in the kitchen sink at Donald Trump, but also going after everyday Americans whose names will never be in the headlines because they are the, quote, unquote, political opposition, the undermining of free speech, the undermining of the rule of law. And yet they cloak all of this and try to distract and deflect attention away from the american people and the reality of how they are destroying our democracy right before our very eyes. And they do so by saying, Donald Trump is the biggest enemy of democracy. They're doing the same thing around foreign policy.

The thing that I'm urging Americans to do across the country, both through my book for love of country, but also in every platform or speech where people will have me, is to look at the facts. This is the first time in our lifetimes we've had a presidential election where we actually have two people who served in the White House with a very real record for us to examine, compare, and take the emotions aside. People have strong feelings one way or the other. And that's what a lot of the Democrats and Biden people focus on, because they're afraid that we will actually compare and contrast their record on border security, on education, on fairness for women and girls, in sports and education, on the economy and inflation, you know, on criminal justice reform, something that Democrats claim to be for, and also, of course, first and foremost, foreign policy and how secure is our country today, and where are our taxpayer dollars being dedicated in each of these areas and more. There's a very clear contrast between President Biden and President Trump. And to me, what it all comes down to are the two most core critical questions that, as you pointed out, are rooted in the constitution is, number one, who actually has served the interests of the american people and our country and our ability to live in a safe, free, peaceful and prosperous society. And number two, who has either defended or assaulted our fundamental rights and freedoms that are enshrined in the constitution, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, our civil liberties guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment.

And again, when you look at these metrics, there is no question about the difference between President Biden and President Trump.

Glenn Beck
Let me ask you, why should somebody, and I don't mean this just to you, I mean this for anybody, even, you know, Joe Biden, Donald Trump, why should we believe when we have not seen one for a very long time, and when they do believe this, they're called extremists?

Why should we believe anybody or you that you actually, your oath of office would mean what it says, that you will protect the constitution and the bill of rights?

Leah McGhee
I think with anybody and everyone, it is, you know, going back to the old adage, trust, but verify and hold people accountable.

And that is true of me and of anyone asking for the trust and confidence of the american people. I think part of that is recognizing that as the world changes, as the country changes, there has to be room for people to learn and grow from these changing circumstances. I think a lot of the problems that we're seeing in a lot of the political divides, and I get it, trust is earned.

But in order for there to be progress, we have to allow people to grow and change based on the circumstances we've seen, I think over these last five or six years, or especially during the Obama, I'm sorry, during the Biden administration, we have seen what an increasingly tyrannical government looks like. And we are seeing how our founding fathers were so wise in recognizing that our democracy, this form of governance that we have in this constitutional republic through this representative democracy, is very fragile. And how people in positions of power are often tempted and may fall to that temptation of abuse of power. And so we have this system of checks and balances through three co equal branches of government. We have this system of checks and balances through the constitution, our First Amendment and our second amendment, for the power to always favor the voices and the power of a free people and a free society. I would never have imagined, Glenn, in my lifetime that we would see such brazen abuse of power.

And it's not only just a failure to uphold the Constitution. The Democrat elite are actively destroying the Constitution in broad daylight and telling us, no, we don't think the First Amendment is relevant today because of misinformation, disinformation, hate speech, all of the excuses that they give, which are very dangerous. They tell us that, no, the Second Amendment shouldn't apply because, and they cite all of these different statistics of tragedies that occur in our country, but that ultimately taking guns away from law abiding Americans would not actually prevent those types of tragedies from occurring. It would make it more dangerous, and it denies the reality of that. We have faced throughout, I think the history of humanity is that if you have a person who seeks to do harm to others, they will find a way to do so, unfortunately, and you know. So go ahead.

Glenn Beck
No, you finish your thoughts, please. I don't want to interrupt you.

Leah McGhee
They will find a way to do so. It's incumbent upon us now, again, to understand and recognize the seriousness of this moment and the fact that they are doing all these things because they're afraid of the power of a free people.

But we are only powerful if we hold on to that power.

Glenn Beck
I want to ask you one more question. I know we're out of time for your schedule. Could I ask you to give me 60 seconds more and then I'll ask you just one more question?

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But the time is so short here.

I wanted to ask you, you know, one of the things that if I were President Trump, I would actually consider you as a vice presidential candidate to unite the country, you know, after much discussion. But the one thing I know I would feel comfortable appointing you to is secretary of defense. Our military is a mess, and it's because we have all of these woke generals and all of these political appointments. They've all risen to the top. Problem is, doesn't appear to me to be below the general and all of their apparatus around them.

If you were secretary of defense, could you clean this up? Is it fixable?

Leah McGhee
Yes. Yes. Unequivocally, yes.

And your diagnosis is correct.

It's not by accident that the kinds of general officers that are rising through the ranks are those who are advocating for these so called woke dei.

Whatever policies. The reason why they've gotten there is because of their civilian leadership, picking and choosing people who will not. I mean, obviously, we have a civilian led military. Those in uniform will follow the policies that are set by the civilian leaders. But these civilian leaders, Secretary Austin and the different secretaries of each branch of the military, they are promoting careerists who have played it safe, who have done whatever they needed to do to go along and get along, to rise through the ranks, and have not been in those positions and have intentionally so not been in those combat hardened positions where they've got to make really tough choices. That may come with some backlash, but that is the definition of leadership. And I can tell you, I know personally a number of officers in different branches of military who have been shoved out and forced to retire because they happen to be white males. And these are people who, over the last 25 years, have deployed every single year in the most harsh combat environment and made those tough calls between life and death. There have been investigations because of it. But these are people who have the kind of experience that will never be replaced, and they're getting shoved out, and they are not getting promoted because of the civilian leadership at the very top of the Department of Defense. So, yes, as a secretary of defense, I would 100% be able to write the course, fix what has become so broken within our Department of Defense.

And it starts with putting the right leaders in the right places, who put our country first and who really care more about our troops than they care about how many stars they wear on their shoulders. I obviously have very strong feelings about this because I still serve and I know personally the detrimental impact that this administration is having on our military, their morale and their capabilities and readiness to be able to do their job.

Glenn Beck
Tulsi, next time you're in Dallas, please let me know. I'd love to talk more about, especially the military and where we're at. Thank you so much.

Leah McGhee
I look forward to it. Glenn, thank you so much.

Glenn Beck
You bet. Bye bye. I have to tell you, stu, I've said this before, and I think, I don't know how I'm sure I'm in the minority on this, but simply because, I mean, I believe her, that we disagree on a whole bunch of stuff. And I know the vice president is so important for the party going forward to raise, you know, the next generation. And, you know, she wouldn't be the next generation of Republicans, but to be able to say, yeah, I'm, my vice president relates to classic liberals.

I'm not a monster that's just going to be going in. I don't know if it would make any difference, but it would be at least an olive branch to those Democrats that are like, you know, the old Reagan Democrats. They don't hate America. And the one thing you can say about Tulsi Gabbard is she does love America. Stand up, Glenn Beck.

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Oh, man. So many things are going on.

One of the biggest, I just, I don't understand how our justice system got to where it is this quickly.

I hope it's different in, you know, in New York and Washington, DC, but I have a feeling it's this way in many states. And we are not, we're not even connected to the rule of law anymore. I read an article, an op ed from Alan Dershowitz, who was at the courtroom the last when, you know, when the defense rested and heard the testimony of, who was it, Cohen, Stu or Collins?

I can't remember.

Anyway.

And all he did was raise his eyebrows when there was an objection. And the, the judge said, you know, sustained.

He looked at the judge and raised his eyebrows, which set the judge into a tirade, cleared the courtroom for some reason. Alan Dershowitz was allowed to stay. And he writes about it at Dersch dot substack.com. and you have to read it. And Alan joins us now. Hi, Alan. How are you?

Alan Dershowitz
Hi. I wish the trial had been televised so that all Americans could see the veins in this judge's head popping. I mean, he just went berserk. You know where he reminded me of the psycho in the movie taxi driver. You looking at me? Hey, you looking at me? The judge had such a thick, thin skin. You looking at me? You raising your eyebrows? I'm going to strike all your testimony. Can you imagine the effect if the judge had actually gone through with it?

Glenn Beck
Hang on just a second. Did he say that in front of the jury?

Alan Dershowitz
No, no, he did that outside. In fact, he didn't say it in front of the media. He threw the media out for some bizarre reason. I was sitting in the front row and they didn't ask me to leave. So I was sitting literally right near the judge and the defendants and Cohen and all of them. He took the jury out. But he said, basically, if you raise your eyebrows again, I will deny Donald Trump a fair trial by striking your defense testimony and not allowing him to put on the defense. Now, Donald Trump didn't raise his eyebrows, at least in the courtroom. He certainly raised a lot of eyebrows outside the courtroom, as he has the right to do, because this is a political trial. So he's responding in a political way.

But the idea that you would strike the defense because of something you didn't like a witness doing, first of all, everybody has a constitutional right to raise their eyebrows and to look and stare at a judge. I've done that many, many times. I never forget Mae west in the movie, little trickety. She's in front of the judge and the judge says, you're showing your contempt for the court. And may west says, no, your honor, I'm trying my best to hide my contempt for the court. And, you know, that's what many people do to this judge. I'm not a witness or anything. So I didn't hide my contempt. I rolled my eyes, I raised my eyebrows, I stared at the judge. I whispered to people next to me saying, would you believe the judge did that, kept out this testimony, let in this testimony. Let's remember, this is a judge who was so permissive with the prosecution, he allowed Stormy Daniels to testify that they had sex in a missionary position, that he used a certain kind of deodorant, and that he wore silk pajamas. Now, how is that relevant to an entry case involving bookkeeping? Entry, utterly irrelevant, utterly prejudicial. The judge said, no, no, no, that's okay. Let it all go in. Let it all go in. But when Cohen tries to testify about what his former client said to him and waived, he had waived, the client that waived the privilege said to him saying, I don't know anything about Trump. I can't incriminate him. The judge said, no, no, I'm imposing restrictions on what your witness could say.

And I would raise my eye.

Glenn Beck
He wasn't, wait, wait, wait, wait. He wasn't allowed to enter that into testimony.

Alan Dershowitz
He was restricted as to what he could say.

He was allowed to say that he had said on numerous occasions that he didn't know anything about Trump, but he was restricted from saying many other things. As he has said. He swore to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And the judge said, no, I only want a partial truth. When it came to an expert witness, the judge was even tougher. The judge said that even though the prosecution was allowed to introduce evidence that they claim the payments were illegal campaign contributions, the country's leading expert on campaign contributions who was prepared to testify these were not illegal campaign contributions. The judge said, no, you can testify as to your credentials and a few other things, but you can't testify as the legality or illegality, even though the other side was allowed to. What does it mean under the 6th amendment then, that you have a right to confront, you have a right to confront the charges and the witnesses against you. You think that it means you have a right to call witnesses on your own who would tell a different story and give a different account so the jury can make up their mind, but not according to this judge. This judge has an agenda. He wants a conviction. Whether it's because his daughter would profit from a conviction. She runs a. She works for a fundraising outfit that fundraisers off this trial, or whether there are other reasons for it, I don't know. I'm not going to try to psychoanalyze the judge any more than the judge should try to psychoanalyze Donald Trump in order to convict him.

You have to believe that the only reason that the false entries were made, they weren't even made by him, they were made by some underling. That the only reason the false entries, if they were false, even were made, was to affect the campaign. That it had no reason to avoid embarrassment to his wife, to his son, who was in school at the time, to avoid losing his television show, because there's a morality clause in the contract.

No reason to believe it might affect his branding business, because, you know, all the branding of the Trump hotels, etcetera. Obviously, there were mixed motives, but the jury has to conclude that the predominant motive was to impact the election, even though if it was a campaign contribution, he wouldn't have had to report it until after the election. This case is so absurd. In 60 years of practicing, teaching, and writing about criminal law, I have never seen a weaker case. And yet there might be a conviction. Because this is a New York jury.

Glenn Beck
You have watched juries forever.

Did you see any signs from them at all, one way or another?

Alan Dershowitz
Hard to tell. When he acknowledged that he had stolen $60,000 from Trump and never tried to repay it, I could see the juries literally raising their own eyebrows. They leaned forward, they paid close attention to that.

There was a lot of boring testimony, and jurors don't close their eyes, but they sit back. You never know what they're thinking. The only problem is that jurors usually love the judge. The judge is the benevolent despot, and he is benevolent when the jury is there. It's when the jury leaves that he becomes the true tyrant that he really is. So the jury may take a cue from the judge, and the judge is going to give an instruction, I believe, that clearly favors the prosecution and is prejudiced against the defendant. So there's no real predicting the outcome. I guess most betting people are saying, a hung jury, that it's going to be hard to get twelve people to conclude either way that he was totally innocent or totally guilty, I hope.

Glenn Beck
And then what happens from. What happens from there?

Alan Dershowitz
The prosecution has the right to try them again. But at that point, the trial would have to take place probably after the election. I'm not sure they would go for. It would depend on the vote. If the vote were ten to two for conviction, they might retry him. If it was ten to two for acquittal, they might not retry him. So there's a lot to be seen. The other thing that's bizarre, I've never seen this before. The judge delayed the trial a whole week. The jury went home. The jury's home today. It'll be home tomorrow. It'll be home Friday, of course. Then the holiday vacation that comes back next week.

Glenn Beck
Isn't this one of those cases that you really should sequester the jury so they're not seeing the news?

Alan Dershowitz
Of course, and especially if they're not seeing CNN or reading the New York Times, watching MSNBC, which have already convicted him without a doubt. I mean, Msc.

MSNBC thinks this is the strongest case since the Abraham Lincoln assassination. If it had been on videotape.

There's no doubt by the MSNBC people because they're rooting for a verdict, as are the media. When I was in the courtroom the other day, you could just see and you could hear from the media. They're all rooting for a conviction. Even one of the courtroom artists criticized me for coming to the trial and showing support for Donald Trump. I didn't come to show political support for Donald Trump. I haven't made up my mind who I'm voting for. I voted for Biden in the last election, but I'm not sure I'm going to vote for. I didn't come there to show political support.

I came there to show legal support that this is a case that should never have been brought. I would have done the same thing if Biden had been charged with a non crime like this. I'm not political when it comes to my legal analysis.

Glenn Beck
Alan, let me switch gears.

There's a story out about the FBI and the raid on Mar a Lago, and there was, they were allowed to use deadly force. And it's my understanding, at least, that this is being misreported by the right that's in all of these. It's a general.

Leah McGhee
It is.

Alan Dershowitz
It is. But there shouldn't have been a search. There shouldn't have been a search warrant at all. There should have been just a subpoena. When you deal with people like the former president, United States, you send them a subpoena, and if he fails to disclose the material, then he's in contempt of court or in violation of statutes. But you don't burst into his home.

Yeah, of course, you need to be able to use deadly force if there's somebody there who's shooting at you, shooting at you. But that they should never have used the search warrant in the first place.

Glenn Beck
That was kind of. I mean, I didn't know about the subpoena and all that, that you had other options. But as I'm. I was looking at this this morning, and I'm like, you know, at least for presidents, and I think it would be fine for other things because a lot of people seem to be having their doors kicked in. But, you know, when it comes to the president, and I say this about Biden, too, I'm sure that was in the same, you know, paperwork for Joe Biden, you know, in his garage.

Alan Dershowitz
No, they didn't have a search warrant. They didn't have a search warrant for Biden. They had a subpoena.

So there was no such paperwork for Biden. So, you know, it's a very different, very, very different standard. It's rare to get a search warrant.

Normally, the way to go is just in a gentlemanly way or in a lady like way. You say, look, we're subpoenaing this police. Produce it into the court tomorrow, and if you don't, you'll be held in contempt. And if you try to destroy something like it is claimed, Hillary Clinton tried to destroy some of her servers. That's an independent crime. But Hillary Clinton didn't have a search warrant conducted against her. Joe Biden didn't. I don't know about Biden's kid. I don't know whether Hunter Biden had a search warrant. But search warrants are not the usual way of obtaining material. Usually it's by subpoena.

Glenn Beck
So I talked to you maybe six months ago, and we were talking about banana republics, and you said, we're up to six bananas, get ten bananas, and we're a banana republic. Where are we today?

Alan Dershowitz
If there's a conviction, we're up to seven.

But there's another court I want to talk about for a second, if you don't mind, and that is the international criminal court that for the first time in its history has gone after leaders of a democracy, namely Benjamin Netanyahu and the military minister in Israel, even though what they did was purely self defense.

And it means that the United States is at risk. Great Britain is at risk. Canada is at risk. Any country that wages war is now at risk. There is a rule for the international criminal court that they can't go after any country that has a working judiciary which is capable and willing to investigate their own people, then Israel has a very active judiciary. Four former prime ministers were investigated. Four former prime ministers, Rabin, Sharon, Elmer, and Netanyahu, and one former president went to jail. In fact, I made a joke about that when I visited Ehud Omer in prison. I said, in Israel, when you ask for a former prime minister's cell number, it's not necessarily his cell phone.

What other country can boast that they have had such an aggressive judiciary, and yet the international criminal court says, no, no, no, we're going after you. Even though Israel and the United States are not even signatories to the treaty, they're not members of the court. So we live in an age now where courts are going out of control.

The court in New York is out of control. The court in the Hague is out of control, and we should not be living by the judiciary. You know, in the book of, I think it's the book of Ruth, in the Bible, it starts by saying when judges ruled the land, there was famine and hunger.

You know, you don't want judges to rule the land.

Glenn Beck
Right?

Alan, thank you so much for talking to us. I appreciate it.

Alan Dershowitz
Always a pleasure to have intelligent talk with you. I always look forward to it.

Glenn Beck
Thank you. Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law School professor emeritus and host of the Derse show, the Dersh show, and he's also the author of Get Trump. If you haven't read that, it's well worth your time. All right, back in just a second.

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Hello, America. Earlier this week, I told you a story about what was happening to a mom and a daughter and a whole family, really, in North Carolina, in Davidson county, how out of control a school board is has gotten. They suspended the son from school for three days for in an english class for using the term illegal alien.

Now, after the mom complained. The school board member is slandering mom about her past. And this is an incredible story. As somebody who has sought ridiculous redemption and as a member of AA, this story just is rotten to the core. And I want an update. I want to see if the people of Davidson county are starting to step up. What is happening in this case. And I understand there is, there is some legal updates that we may be able to get today as well.

Both Lee McGee and unrelated her attorney from Liberty Justice Center, Dean McGee, spelled differently, is going to join us here in a second. And by the way, let me, before we start, let me just say this. Liberty Justice Center, Educational Freedom.

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lee, welcome to the program. How are you?

Tulsi Gabbard
Hi, Mister Beck. I'm great. How are you doing this morning?

Glenn Beck
Very good. Please call me Glenn and I want to make sure I got it. Is Lee, not Leah, right?

Tulsi Gabbard
It's Leah.

Glenn Beck
Oh, sorry, Leah. Okay. So, Leah, what has happened since we spoke last time on the radio? Anything?

Tulsi Gabbard
Oh, my gracious. We have been so blessed by so many people that have received the text messages and emails that Ashley Carroll, who is a board of education member and chairman Alan Beck, had sent around the community and to leaders of North Carolina, spreading lies about our child being suspended from multiple schools. He's never, ever been kicked out of a school. And also giving us proof that Ashley Carroll and chairman beckoning were taken part in sending around my arrest records. So we have been absolutely blown away since your broadcast because it allowed people to step forward, encourage and boldness and share this information with us. So I'm so thankful that you asked the community and the state to step up in order to expose this unethical, defamatory and cruel text that they have shared around.

Glenn Beck
You know, I read a lot of the emails and there was one, one posting that said, I don't personally know this woman who continues to blast my child school all over social media, but I believe person's past actions and criminal convictions make me question the legitimacy of their current narrative and story. There's always three sides to every story. And I find it rather ironic. No local news station has run the story, only right wing political news. I'm just saying.

And somebody wrote back and said, hey, this is affecting the child involved here. I think you should apologize. And in an amazing response, I sincerely. No, wait, wait, wait, wait. I would like to sincerely apologize for my post. After thinking about it talking to a mutual friend, I deleted the post. Blah, blah, blah. Then somebody said, you should apologize to the child. And they wrote, I'm so very sorry. My post was shared with your son. That was absolutely never my intention. Yes, I will apologize for my biased judgment I made. Again, I'm sincerely sorry. I mean, it shows that there are good people out there.

Tulsi Gabbard
There are.

She received that message from. Actually, from what we. We have been told, one of a family member, of a commissioner. And when I requested her public apology, she did publicly apologize. And I was so grateful for that. But that post is the post that was sent around my child's school. So that post with the mugshot and the record is the post that was sent around my child school. And Christian received that post before I did. So.

Glenn Beck
Oh, my gosh.

Okay, so let me. Let me just. Let me just say that for anybody who doesn't know the story.

Leah. Mom.

She was arrested 14 years ago.

She was arrested on drug charges.

She was released over ten years ago. She served her time. She's started her own business in North Carolina, had it for many years. She was appointed by a superior court judge in Brunswick County, North Carolina, to be part of an advisory board for that county's commissioners regarding substance use disorder. Nationally accredited with the Encompass program of America, where you educate the public on the understanding of the science of addiction and everything else. She has spoken over 30 times in several states regarding addiction and recovery. She's a prime example of doing the crime, doing the time, and then not just putting her life back together, but helping others not do it. And this school board only released her release, her arrest record, and they did it to smear you because you were saying, you know, my son, illegal alien is not a race, and they called him a racist, correct?

Tulsi Gabbard
Absolutely.

Yeah, that's on the write up. It says he made a racially motivated, racially insensitive comment saying aliens need green cards.

That was the extent of the write up. On the write up, it says, write a detailed description of the events that happened. And the only thing they wrote is Christian made a racially insensitive, racially motivated comment saying illegal aliens need green cards.

Glenn Beck
Interesting. So let me go to your attorney from the Liberty Justice Center. Dean McGee is with us.

I understand there's a couple of possible legal updates. First of all, you received new text messages from a local leader.

Can you tell me anything about that?

Dean McGee
Yeah, Glenn, we've received new text messages, including a message that came in this morning. And these are all screenshots. I think the community in Davidson county heard your call, Glenn, to step up and help Leah, because people are coming forward who have been contacted by board members. And the message I'm looking at right now that we received earlier this morning, this is a board member, Ashley Carroll, talking to someone who I understand used to work in law enforcement. And she says, here's the mom's record. If you want to know the kind of person you're dealing with, didn't you work hard to get drug dealers off the streets?

So, you know, the audience is to let that sink in because he is saying. She is saying, essentially, that her son does not deserve a fair process because of Leah's arrest over a decade ago and trying to guilt this former law enforcement officer into turning against Leah and her son because of her record.

Glenn Beck
What?

Dean McGee
The more we get in terms of messages from the community, the worse it looks for this school and for this board.

Glenn Beck
What is the motivation to do this kind of damage? I mean, that just. That seems like you're at a squirt gun fight and somebody brings a nuclear bomb.

Dean McGee
I can't speak to their motivation, but I think we see this from government at all. Levels from the top right down to the smaller local levels, like a school board. Pride, ego, the inability to admit mistakes and doubling down. It's nothing new. And Liberty Justice center? We sue the government at all levels. That's our job. And we see it all the time.

Glenn Beck
Thank you for that.

Have you served papers yet? I thought they were supposed to be maybe served today. Am I. I don't know what I'm allowed to say.

Dean McGee
No, that's fine.

Our papers are going out. We had a meeting with our local council. We have on the ground attorneys in North Carolina who are working to get paper served. Working? We're working to get an injunction served against the school. And the case is coming together very nicely.

Glenn Beck
And the school board is as well.

Dean McGee
The board is our primary defendant because at the end of the day, they're supposed to be the backstop. They set policy and they're supposed to be the final word when administrators mess up. And as you can see in this case, not only have they failed to step up to help, they've made things much worse.

Glenn Beck
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Any other updates you can give us on the legal side at this time?

Dean McGee
That's where we are. That's where we are for now. The only other thing I'll say is that we're also meeting with lawyers in North Carolina to discuss possible defamation claims that Leah could bring against these board members.

Glenn Beck
Could.

I mean, that seems like a slam dunk here, doesn't it?

Dean McGee
Yes. And again, I'll say the more that community members step up and expose the unethical and cruel messages and false messages that are being shared, the better case we have.

Glenn Beck
Leah, I feel for you. I really do. Because to me, you are.

You're a symbol. I don't know you, but from what the story I do know you seem to be exactly what the redemption process is all about.

You did the time, you changed your life, and now you're helping others. I mean, that's. That's aa, quite honestly, and the atonement of Jesus Christ. So I just. I feel for you. I really feel for you. This is awful.

Tulsi Gabbard
Thank you, Glenn. That means the world to me. I mean, for people to bring up something that was done over a decade ago and not look at the work that was put in to, you know, the community is disgusting. I also received messages that Ashley Carroll sent to another leader, North Carolina, and she is of jewish descent. And Ashley equates what my son said to her in this text.

She says, because the lady asked, what about the latino child who took offense and threatened Christian and Ashley's response was, wouldn't you beat a kid's who was making anti semitic comments? So she equated what christians said to anti semitism.

It blows my mind how low this woman, who is an elected official, will go to continue to abuse my child.

Glenn Beck
There was another text that came out that said, the mother of said child who was kicked out has been kicked out because of multi. Kicked out of multiple schools for being racist.

Tulsi Gabbard
Yes, that was sent to the same person. And that is an absolute lie. Christian has never been kicked out of any school, any school, and never, ever had a label of racism placed on his record until this happened at Central Davidson High School. And so that just further lies that this board of education is spreading, they continue to just spread lie after lie after lie.

I tell you people, there's more to the story. There's more to the story. Well, now, Glenn, we have the more to the story and it is them spreading these lies and unethical, defamatory statements to leaders and residents. I also had a local mother who worked for the school that sent the message saying that she has our total support, but that she cannot share because she's scared she'll lose her job.

Glenn Beck
Oh, my gosh.

Tulsi Gabbard
She said verbatim. She said, unfortunately, I wish I could share all of this, but we can't because we will lose our job. But we do share amongst each other. We know what's going on and we are sick and tired of it, too. If it came down to it, I would absolutely voice my opinion. I do think that these schools have much work to do.

Glenn Beck
Leah thank you.

Dean. Thank you. If you want to help, go to libertyjusticecenter.org and donate. Or you can go to give sendgo.com and just search for support for the McGee family.

This has got to stop. I hope again, the county of Davidson, every single member shows up at the school board meetings and demands them to resign it. No one seems to be really helping here. The school now should be cleaned out. If you have a school where this kind of injustice is happening and somebody in the school says, I agree, but I can't say anything or I'll be fired.

What kind of fascistic community do you live in? You cannot allow this to stand. Please stand up. If you were in Davidson county in North Carolina and to that person who is at the school who said, that is your honor, is your word, is your compassion, is your vow to Jesus Christ to live like Christ. And I know it's tough.

Even the apostles in their hour of shame, refused to call him friend. But I have to tell you, your job is not worth it. If you are working for those kinds of people, it will infect your soul. You've got to stand up and take a stand and take your community back for truth and justice and the american way. Dean, thank you for all that you do. And leah, God bless you. We'll talk again.

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Stu
That, that, that would be worse. That would be worse.

Glenn Beck
Yeah, I'm happy to say that. You know, it's so good to hear that people who got these messages are forward. They forwarding them to Leah. That's, that's a really good sign that people are standing up. But it's so typical. And I know it's tough. I really do, you know, but it's, it's becoming far too typical to have information and then not stand up.

You will find yourself on the wrong side in the end if you do that. You have to draw a line in the sand. An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere.

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Glenn Beck
I'm gonna, uh. I'm going to tell you some truth about your country that you, you may not like, but it is true.

We are the source of much of the instability in today's world. And it has been intentional, and it has been well crafted in the last 20 or 30 years by people like Hillary Clinton and the state department, et cetera, et cetera.

I want to. I want you to understand what a color revolution is, okay? Instead of sending troops into a country in the name of democracy, we have developed, and we are experts at this. Now, we use what are called color revolutions as a tool to intervene in other countries internal affairs, to subvert the government, to.

To have, you know, reinforce global control. Okay?

It's estimated now that in the past three decades, among all of the toppled governments, those that were subverted by nonviolent revolutions accounted for more than 90%.

90% of the revolutions happened through, quote, non violent revolutions.

Have you heard the term? These protesters are all non violent?

That's important.

During the cold war, we had. We, we ran 64 Covid covert and six overt attempts at regime change.

And it's our, it was, you know, part of the cold war. However, color revolutions, they are.

What they leave in the wake, is not peaceful. It is destruction, confusion and chaos.

And let me just give you a little bit of what we do know we meddle in all of these things. And so how does a color revolution work? First, the United States and their planners find a target that they dislike.

Then they launch a physical or, sorry, a psychological war. Let's say the target is the president of the United States. It usually is somebody like Donald Trump. Find a target at the top that they can call a fascist, and then they launch a psychological war and say that that fascist is the. Is the one that is responsible for the end of democracy.

Now, remember, we've done this 20 times.

I mean, we are responsible for at least six regime changes and including the Middle east and the Arab Spring that I can name off the top of my head. And I know there's more.

So it's not impromptu.

Everything is a stage.

You know that we are watching what's happening in our colleges right now. It's a performance, and it's orchestrated, not by an individual.

This is a deliberate political act, organized and coordinated by planners, trainers, funders, instigators, troublemakers, followers, and occasionally violent terrorists and hired people.

You know this because remember when during the George Floyd riots, bricks were dropped off on street corners?

The color revolutions across the world, we are the leader.

It.

So they find a target that they dislike, they start the psychological war. They find and organize a group of political activists, provide them with information and financial support. George Soros. Sound familiar? And it'll. Then they help intensify their opposition sentiment. Then the planners mobilize the masses to initiate, uh, political protests, including compelling non governmental organizations, NGO's and the media to intervene or participate in the protest movement.

This is the textbook. This is, this is not me. This is the textbook of how it's done.

So there's a chain of protests, and they're set off by planners just helping increase the intensity and expand the team to await the fall of the government.

The government falls because of these NGO's, and you have a revolution, you'll have chaos and then grabbing control.

We have done it over and over and over again.

Never did I think we would ever. Well, first of all, I, at the time, didn't know we were behind the Arab Springs, but we were, we are causing chaos all over the world.

It's why all democracies are under attack. And they're all saying, this person, this group is a threat to democracy. That's the calling card of a color revolution.

In 2020. I warned about an organization, a group of organizations and people that were plotting the color revolution in 2020. I was so concerned about it.

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Nobody did anything. And you saw what happened.

I truly believe that January 6 was part of a color revolution. You had all of these FBI people on the ground. You had them knowing what was coming. But the government didn't do anything. They wanted the revolution, right?

So tonight, I'm going to show you. Well, let me just play a clip from tonight's show.

Do you have it?

Here it is. Revolution becomes a primary value to the communists to the extent to which it can be used to condition the mass, psychologically, to accept the nonviolent revolution which is offered, supposedly as the only alternative.

Stu
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Glenn Beck
We'Ve been through revolution before America. We survived a civil war.

And it was a revolution that started this great nation over 200 years ago. So what's to fear? Millions of dollars in property damage is done.

Stu
Broken my heart.

Glenn Beck
The plan is for raging fires from one city to the next. Violent revolutions can be good. Our founding fathers were violent when they were fighting, blah, blah, blah.

That's what the uninformed say. That's what they say. As the left slowly begins pushing that word to the forefront of our discussions, normalizing it. Revolution. Revolution. We are in the middle of a revolution right now. I know you can feel it. And this time, it's not just Bernie Sanders and his ragtag group of far left radicals. No, it's the whole damn party.

Well, tonight, I'm going to show you why this revolution is nothing like anything we've ever faced before. I will show you why. This one is dark, dangerous, sinister, and flat out evil.

It is calculated.

The plans and preparations for a communist revolution of force and violence are far advanced. So calculated that while the left sits back with smug smirks, watching as we destroy each other on the streets, thanks to their plan, Trump will be the one who takes all the heat. The revolution will destroy all of us.

And it's nothing short of, of national suicide for us to continue to ignore their plans. You know, Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances.

So to stop it in its tracks, the first step, understanding how it began.

Because while we've been hit in the face with story after story and riot after riot and death after death.

Alan Dershowitz
Come on, Og.

Glenn Beck
Stay with me.

Alan Dershowitz
Come on, Og.

Glenn Beck
We've been left unable to see, sit back and truly see how all of this is connected and fits together.

If I do one thing well, it is putting dots together and showing you how it all connects and step away and back up and see the whole picture.

I have an ability that, as an artist Saurat had where it's a bunch of dots until you step away and you're like, oh, my gosh, it's people picnicking in a park in France.

Tonight we're re airing that show because next week I'm going to the chalkboard to reveal how the color revolution has progressed ever since. If Donald Trump would have won, these things would have come true, because he didn't. Because he didn't win. Did you notice all of a sudden there were no left riots on the streets only January 6, which they tried to make into the civil war, and they have been picking and poking you for four years.

One of the groups I spoke about in 2020 in tonight's special, you'll see them in detail on the show tonight, later mentioned in Time magazine as part of a secret cabal that saved the 2020 election.

I tried to warn the Trump campaign last time. I hope they listen this time, because next week I'm going to show you where their leadership, where they went after they left the, quote, what Time magazine said was a cabal to save democracy. I'll show you in great detail on what some of their partners are doing today. And shockingly, either in or directly in coordination with the Biden administration.

If tonight you watch, you will be reminded how the election results prompted a general stand down order.

What does that mean? I've never seen it. The military was told stand down on everything, and it came from the cabal and their plans to rush the streets all over the country. It never happened last time.

But what happens if Donald Trump wins in November? Remember Hillary Clinton's words, Joe Biden shouldn't concede under any circumstance.

Is there a color revolution going on? Is that our future?

Are we already in one?

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Welcome to the program. I've got some good news for you. Last night or night before last, Portland voters went out and they fired the one term. George Soros, back district attorney. That. That was not enforcing anything. It was, it was. It was close. It took him almost 20 minutes to call the race. 58 to 42 was the final number. So maybe some sanity returns to Oregon.

Stu
I have a point of contention on that last thing you said about sanity returning. Fannie Willis also won. She wound up winning her reelection. Well, she won her primary, which means she's going to win her reelection bid.

Glenn Beck
You've got to be kidding me.

Stu
Yeah. So basically, there's no way to lose an election if you're. If you're.

Glenn Beck
Well, I don't know. In Portland, you know, I would have never thought this would have happened. But Fanny, you know that. You know what that shows how much the Democrats hate Donald Trump.

That when you can have somebody who clearly was lying on the stand, all of the things that she has done, and they say, oh, no, she's the one we want running.

I hope the Republicans have somebody that they can run. Yeah. That can actually beat her, because that's not gonna happen. Obscene. Yeah, I know it's not gonna happen, but let's hope until we have our dreams crushed.

Stu
By the way, we have a new Fannie Willis bit coming up on YouTube.com studosamerica. Later today. I think if you don't like Fanny Willis so much, you might just like the bit.

Glenn Beck
Ooh, I'm gonna like that.

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