Glenn SCHOOLS CNN on Difference Between Republic vs. Democracy | Guest: Dr. Eithan Haim | 6/17/24

This episode debates the fundamental principles distinguishing a republic from a democracy, emphasizing the constitutional nuances that define the United States government system.

1. Fundamental Differences: The U.S. is a republic, not a pure democracy, which means it employs representatives to make decisions rather than direct voting on every issue.
2. Misrepresentations in Media: Major media outlets often mislabel the U.S. as a democracy, which can lead to misconceptions about how governmental decisions are made.
3. Historical Context: The founding fathers chose a republican framework to prevent the failures experienced by pure democracies, which often implode under the volatility of mob rule.
4. Role of Representatives: In a republic, representatives are elected to make decisions on behalf of the people, providing a buffer against the fickleness of direct majority votes.
5. Importance of Individual Rights: A republic is designed to protect the rights of the minority against the potential tyranny of the majority, a principle deeply embedded in the U.S. Constitution.

1. Introduction to the Topic

Overview of the media's misrepresentation of the U.S. government system. Glenn Beck introduces the topic and guest. Glenn Beck: "We apparently are not a republic, according to CNN."

2. Historical Insights

Discussion on the historical decisions behind choosing a republican model over a democracy. Dr. Eithan Haim: "Democracies... have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

3. Current Misconceptions

Analysis of current public and media misconceptions regarding the U.S. government's structure. Glenn Beck: "Democracy is happening and democracy is very important, but we have to restore the republic."

4. Clarifying Republic vs. Democracy

Detailed clarification of what makes a republic different from a democracy. Glenn Beck: "You elect representatives. They answer to you."

5. Conclusion and Implications

Concluding thoughts on the implications of understanding the U.S. as a republic. Glenn Beck: "If you can't explain that, how do you think you can possibly defend the United States of America?"

1. Educate Yourself and Others: Learn the differences between a republic and a democracy and educate others to prevent misinformation.
2. Engage in Civic Activities: Participate in civic duties with a clear understanding of the governmental system.
3. Support Responsible Media: Advocate for and support media outlets that strive for accuracy in reporting on government and political issues.
4. Hold Representatives Accountable: Engage with local representatives and hold them accountable for representing your interests in the government.
5. Promote Civic Education: Support initiatives and educational programs that clarify governmental systems to younger generations.

CNN appears to be confused about what type of system America is: a democratic republic or a full-blown democracy. Glenn breaks down the difference and importance between the two so clearly that a toddler could understand it. Glenn and Pat further discuss how far off from the truth CNN’s reporting on America’s founding was and the instability of direct democracy. Dr. Eithan Haim joins to discuss how he now faces four felonies from Biden’s DOJ after he exposed the pediatric sex change practices happening at Texas Children’s Hospital. Glenn and Pat discuss the deep progressive ties that tragedy and evil always stem from. President Biden had another senior moment when former President Obama had to escort Biden off the stage. Glenn discusses the recent admission from Gateway Church senior pastor Robert Morris of sexual impropriety involving a minor back in the 1980s. A neighborhood in L.A. removed “No U-Turn” signs because they’re ... homophobic?!

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All right, if you followed the news at all this weekend, you're with me. There is one story that needs discussion, that needs some explanation, and we're gonna start. There it is.

How are protesters now finding a problem with the you turn sign? The no you turn sign. Apparently it's homophobic. And for the life of me, I spent the weekend. I can't figure out how we begin there in 60 seconds.

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All right. I'm gonna get into the u turn thing here in just a minute, but I have, I have some, some breaking news from CNN. We apparently are not a republic.

Now, I want you to listen to that, please.

I haven't said this in a long time, but I just, about everything just pisses me off so much, and I can't believe it that I've kind of given up on my head not exploding. But I guarantee you your head will explode on this CNN clip. So please wrap your head tightly in duct tape. It will explode, but at least you'll have all of the pieces that, that way, when you walk in, they'll be like another head explosion, and you'll have all the pieces so they can stitch it back together, but your head will explode. On this, here's the latest from CNN. President Biden touts his reelection campaign as a fight to preserve democracy. But if you ask some Trump supporters, the former president is not a threat to democracy because the United States is not a democracy. Obviously, there's a lot of criticisms of Trump that he is bad for democracy, that he's bad for american democracy. So we are a republic. We're a republic. We are not a democracy.

Pat Gray
We are a senator Republican.

Glenn Beck
We're not a democracy.

One thing we've been hearing at Trump rallies like this over the past few months is that America isn't really a democracy. America's not a democracy. It's a republic. It's not a democracy. Okay. Democracy is actually not as good as you think it is.

Pat Gray
America is a democracy. It was founded as a democracy.

Glenn Beck
I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories. I hear a lot of things out on the road, but to hear Americans, people who would describe themselves as patriots, say that America is not a democracy, that stopped me in my tracks.

Pat Gray
You are hearing people say America is not a democracy.

Glenn Beck
Listen to the ex.

Pat Gray
There are people around Trump who want them to be saying that, who've been planting that narrative.

Glenn Beck
Ah, okay. They were planning that narrative. Wow. Okay. Continue on, please.

Play some more if there's any more. Oh, you got to get to the. Okay, so see if they can give me the rest of it. Where they explain where they go back and they talk to people and they're saying, you're wrong. We're not a republic. And they make this into a giant scandal.

We are a republic.

And to the republic for which it stands. Okay, here's the problem. People don't understand what the difference is between a democracy. We are a democracy. On voting day, one man, one vote. You go in and you use the democratic principle of one man, one vote, and you democratically elect people to their position.

But you're. What you're not doing is voting on every single law. You are voting for a representative.

That representative represents you in the republic. A republic has. People understands that people can't understand every single issue and be voting on every single issue. A republic also understands that a democracy is bad. A democracy only country will fail every time, because all you need is to whip enough people into a frenzy, schedule a vote. They'll vote the way you want them to vote. It will bring you things like the Patriot act. When something bad happens, people will be like, we gotta stop all those Japanese. Let's put them into a camp.

Okay?

You have a republic to slow the process down and give reason a chance.

Can you imagine this country voting on every single issue when they don't even know the difference between a republic and a democracy? And when you have media that is going to experts, so called experts, and telling us that we're.

We're not a republic.

A lot of time was spent with the founders trying to find the best system. They ruled democracy out because they always fail.

So they took the democratic principle, which is one man, one vote, used that to select representatives.

We are a representative Republican.

And that, you have to be able to explain that to people.

You have to understand, look, democracy is a very important part of our republic, but it is not what we are.

We are a democratic republic, so we vote for the people to represent us.

Why is the democracy part so important?

Well, the democracy part is really important because what was the war in heaven all about?

If you go back and you read your scriptures and you look at the war in heaven, what was it about?

It was about Satan saying, I'll cleanse all of them. You don't need anything but me. I'll go down and I will tell everyone what they're supposed to do and keep them from sinning. I'll keep them safe, and they won't make any decisions on their own. I'll tell them they can only do these things.

And then Jesus stood up and said, no, they must have freedom of choice.

And so I will go down and atone for all of their mistakes.

So the very first thing in the very first argument in all of the scriptures, the first argument was over free choice. Do I have someone make all the decisions to keep me safe and free from all harm, or do I have a savior that will rebalance things? And make sure that you're clean enough, because no one can be clean enough.

No one will ever be perfect on earth unless Satan would say, somebody tells them exactly what they can and cannot do.

Well, that is a misunderstanding of human nature. That is a misunderstanding of God's nature.

So one man, one vote? Yes, very important. But then take human nature into account.

Human nature is to just go with their feelings.

That's a bad idea.

So the whole constitution is written to restrain the government so they cannot make every decision for you like they're trying to.

This is when people say government thinks it's God.

Government is their God. Yes, it is, because they want it to make all of the decisions for you. Does that sound like the plan of Jesus or the plan of Satan?

So you elect the representatives. They answer to you.

This is why they are the ones that hold the purse. Congress is supposed to be the only one that can initiate spending.

But these people who claim, therefore democracy are just spending it anyway. It doesn't matter.

They hold the purse. They're the closest to you. They're elected every two years. Why?

Because you need to be able to tell your representative, no, that's not what we want.

That's why every bill of spending, everything needs to start with Congress.

But what happened to Congress? Why isn't Congress doing anything?

Well, they'll say it's because of the Republicans and the Democrats. No, it's because no one in Washington wants it to work that way. They want to be able to issue dictates.

Dictate? Dictate. That's the root word of something else.

Oh, a dictator.

They want to issue either an executive order, which is part of the american republic, but they were never meant to be used like this.

All the things that are going through executive order now are the responsibility of Congress and the Senate.

They were never, we were never to be ruled by faceless bureaucrats that no one elected. You want to talk about to democracy, the EPA, the ATF, the housing people, the fed, all of these things that you never elected, you never elected any of those people.

And it's okay if they are hired to be in there to make the system work, but instead they're making the rules which become laws.

Only Congress can make laws, but we don't do that anymore.

That's why we have to restore the republic.

Democracy is happening and democracy is very important, but we have to restore the republic because the republic part of our democratic republic is broken.

These, the, the lies and the lies from not only the media, but the so called experts. When are we going to stop listening to these experts?

Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, because the rest of that CNN report went on and went back to the people who said we're a republic, not a democracy. And then they couldn't understand. They couldn't define what a republic was.

Well, you're of no help.

You're of no help.

That's why we have the experts.

Don't claim something if you don't.

All knowledge, all information, everything you believe must be yours and it must be purchased at the price that apparently is too high for somebody to some people to pay, most Americans to pay.

The price you have for your opinion, is it is your opinion that you have done some sort of research, you've done some sort of thinking on this and you haven't taken it from a boob like me and just went, oh, yeah, well, he said it and, you know, it sounded really good. So we are a republic, not a democracy.

You can't take what I have spent my lifetime learning and studying. You can't take it from me. It must be your own. It's like a testimony of God.

If you don't have a testimony that is yours, if you are feasting on somebody else's, you're doomed. Okay. It won't work.

It will break down and people will say, well, wait a minute. What about this or this and this? If you haven't thought of that, then you don't really have a testimony.

If you haven't thought. When I say, well, what is the difference between a republic and a democracy?

If you can't explain that, how do you think your kids are going to explain it? How do you think you can possibly defend the United States of America if we don't know what our rights are, if we don't know why they were established?

See, this is give me give me a minute. I'm going to come back in just a second. 1st let me take a minute here a break and tell you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. On June 8, in a daring daytime raid, israeli security forces rescued four hostages held by Hamas terrorists in Gaza. Some were being held in the homes of palestinian citizens.

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Why does Israel exist?

If you don't know the answer to that, then you're of no help.

Israel exists for one reason. This is just one reason. And that is so they can defend themselves because everywhere Jews go, they end up being the scapegoat. And they can't defend themselves because the country will say, well, they're dangerous. We need to disarm them. Well, no, no, no. We'll protect you. And then they never do. At least if they have a homeland, they can defend themselves anyway. The pledge is to ask you to say, I understand never again. I understand never again is now at all times. I understand what is happening in the world and the evil that is happening.

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10 seconds. Station Id now let me ask you something.

Why would people who say one, one man, one vote is so important be the leaders on stealing votes?

Why would somebody who really, truly believes in democracy also at the same time be saying, it's about the collective?

Why?

If you believe in the principle of democracy, that's the individual having a voice. And we have that here in America. That's part one of our republic.

The individual has a voice. Now why does the individual have a voice?

Because again, back to the war in heaven, Christ said, I will atone for all of them individually.

It wasn't collective. We didn't, we can't earn it as an individual. We can't earn it as a collective.

But it was personal and individual to each of us, okay? That's where we get all men are created equal. They're created spiritually equal. It doesn't mean they're born in equal families with equal opportunities or they'll have equal outcomes. It means we all are the same in the spirit.

That spark of life is the same in all of us, and we all have the same rights, no matter what station you were born in, no matter who you are, you still have the same basic human rights.

The gnostics tried to make this into a 1% kind of deal. The gnostics were like, yeah, well, not everybody is saved. I mean, those who know they're going to be safe, but not everybody.

This is why we're supposed to treat everyone equally. This is why we're supposed to treat people like our brothers and sisters, because we literally are spiritual brothers and sisters of each other. And if we can get to a point to where we can see the spiritual spark in every human being, even when we meet them, even when we don't like them, even if, even if they're trying to destroy us, they are still that person. They're still a human being, my brother or sister.

This is why trials are supposed to be done. Justice is blind because you're not supposed to look at the R or the D after their name. You're not supposed to look for the Trump or the Biden. You're supposed to look at the law and the claim of the breaking of the law and the facts. And that's it.

With democracies, you get a mob, and in the end, you always get the collection.

Both of those are evil.

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Pat Gray
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Glenn Beck
We have Pat Gray sitting in for Stu Bergier, which Stu is returning on Wednesday.

His son is very, a great baseball player.

And how old is he now? I think 1310, 1213.

Pat Gray
I think so.

Glenn Beck
Gosh, time flies. Yeah. But. So I hope he's doing well there in Cooperstown with the World Series of kids or whatever they call it. I have no idea.

Pat Gray
You nailed it. You nailed that.

Glenn Beck
Thank you. Thank you. Well, I've been trying to get into sports, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait until you hear me explain pickleball.

So I am still stunned by this audio from CNN where they are trying to convince the, the american people that by saying, we're not a democracy, we're a republic. That is misinformation or mal information brought up by the people who are all around Donald Trump. They're trying to convince their voters to make that argument. Nothing could be further from the truth. I got to tell you, for my whole life, I made fun of people with the pocket protector and the pocket constitution that said we're actually a republic, not a democracy. We used to make fun of those people all the time, but it turns out they were right. They were right.

It is important, important distinction.

Pat Gray
Sure is.

Glenn Beck
We were, apparently, Pat founded this, according to that CNN expert, we were founded as a democracy. And I seem to remember that differently.

Pat Gray
Yeah, that's going to be a real surprise to the people who founded the country. People like Alexander Hamilton, who said, real liberty is not found in extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments. If we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy or some other form of a dictatorship.

Glenn Beck
Okay, hold on just a second. So that's why we do have a democracy apart at the very beginning, one man, one vote. But it was to moderate that, so you couldn't swing and it would be the majority. The majority rules or minority rules.

Pat Gray
Right.

Glenn Beck
You moderate that with representatives? Yeah, go ahead.

Pat Gray
There are aspects of democracy in our republican, but we're not sure. Yes, Thomas Jefferson said, a democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.

James Madison said, democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

Glenn Beck
Who said that?

Pat Gray
James Madison.

Glenn Beck
Okay, well, he didn't know what we're talking about.

Pat Gray
Constitution. What does he know?

Glenn Beck
Anything? All right.

Pat Gray
John Adams said, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.

There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

And then from his son, John Quincy Adams, not exactly a founder, but around that time, the experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating, and short lived.

Glenn Beck
So this is why they want you to go for a democracy. They will make this, if they win the, if they win the popular vote. It's why we have the electoral process, so that there is a direct democracy.

But we want to make sure that big states don't overwhelm the small states so the majority doesn't rule against the minority and just have, look, if we had a direct democracy, we would all be either in prison or we would all be saying that, yes, that's a beautiful woman. That that's a beautiful woman. And I can't even tell you that it used to be a man, because, you know, democracy rules. And 51% have decided that that is criminal speech. And so we're, we're going to all say that now that that's what a democracy. Let me ask you this, democrats. Do you want a direct democracy? That if, if Donald Trump could get everybody just to vote his way, that we could put all of you in prison?

Because that's what a democracy does. It will round up its enemies.

What's happening now with the people who are trying to have a direct democracy, they are trying to force you to live their way.

I don't need you to live my way. I don't. I don't care what you do in your personal life. Your personal life does matter to the Republican, but I'm not going to force you. I'm going to try to change your heart.

I'm not going to do it through legislation because that doesn't work.

For instance, we overturn Roe versus Wade. Well, what happened?

Well, they just went to the abortion drug, and then the FDA changed its rules.

Okay? That's a democracy in action.

It changed its rules because they wanted what they wanted.

So why they have such a problem with the state states deciding for themselves?

The Supreme Court found rightly so. This is not a guaranteed right. You don't have, it's nowhere in the constitution. No way to interpret that in the constitution. So it's got to go back to the people in the states.

That doesn't mean your state just comes out and says, yes, we're having abortions on demand all the way up until the third grade.

No, it means you vote.

You vote and it's enacted in a republic for your state.

Ay, this is so frustrating.

Here's the here's the rest of that clip. Listen to this. Is America a democracy?

I don't. I think. Well, not right now, but we're. Yeah, we're a republic. What's the difference?

Pat Gray
I feel like democracy.

Glenn Beck
Yes.

It's government. Come on. Stop, stop, stop.

What's the difference?

We have a democratic, democratically elected Congress and president.

One man, one vote. Then, because democracies have short lives and usually violent deaths, we have put regulate. We have put a regulating body, a representative body. That's why we have the House of Representatives. They represent us. That's the republic part. So we have the best of both worlds. We don't just have people that are serving lifetime in Congress. In fact, the representatives, the direct representative is the closest to me and has to return, has to be voted on every two years.

So our voice is heard. That's the democratic part of it. The democracy part of it.

Pat Gray
We.

Glenn Beck
We hire the representatives, then they take it, because we can't vote on every single law, period.

Now, do we have a republic today? No. In writing, we do.

We have much more of a dictatorship than we even have, I think, of a democracy.

This democracy push is pushing us into mob rule. That's bad.

All right, go ahead, play some more.

Pat Gray
I don't see freedom in democracy.

Glenn Beck
I see freedom in the republic.

Pat Gray
The word democracy and the word republic have often been used interchangeably. There isn't a meaningful difference between them.

Glenn Beck
Oh, my gosh. Warnings and criticism about Trump. Wow. Is that he is a threat to democracy, that he is anti democratic? Absolutely.

Pat Gray
If they can convince people that we don't have a democracy, then it's okay that Trump is attacking democracy, because it doesn't really matter.

Glenn Beck
So why? Like, why?

Because it's being used in a way to change the flavor of our country, which is a republic.

Pat Gray
These words were used in different ways in the 18th century. And true, the founders didn't want direct democracy, by which they meant people gathering on the town square. They wanted representative democracy.

Glenn Beck
Stop. Represent.

Pat Gray
She just describes a republic and is trying to call it democracy.

Glenn Beck
Right. They didn't want a direct democracy. Right. Exactly right. They wanted a representative republic with democratic earmarks. The important part of democracy, one man, one vote to hire a representative to do the republic part. They're not interchangeable. They are. They are competing systems that, for the first time in the history of the world, were put together.

Oh, my gosh.

And I, you know, again, you know, I just did a podcast. It's. I think there's eight episodes of. It comes out every week. This week was episode number two. It came out over the weekend, and it was. It's all about, why do we listen to these experts?

This is something that started in the progressive era. You get the experts to tell you, no, if you want a democracy and a republic, it requires you to be an expert on the basics of stuff.

That's why we have a republic, because not everybody can be an expert on, you know, nuclear deals and.

And, you know, all of the things that you have to be an expert on.

That's why our representatives have a staff that do research.

You don't have a staff to do research. Okay, you hire me to do some research. You hire Ben Shapiro to do research, and then you're supposed to take those pieces from your council, if you will, and you listen to those and say, okay, I think. I think I believe this one more than that one on this issue. I think they have better information. I'm going to now do my own homework and find out which one is right or which one is what reflects my viewpoint and why.

If we can't define the difference between a republic and a democracy, we will lose. Because the experts come in these. The first episode of the, of the podcast now it's called the Beck story.

The first episode was how these experts came in at the very beginning, because we were now men of science.

We now had science on our side. And so the first thing they did was they measured how things were supposed to be made, how, you know, what the average person could do. But these experts were so flawed that they made all of these industrial revolution sort of regulations. So the companies would say, you're not working hard enough. Well, it's impossible to do what the experts said we can do.

And you see how rigged it was and the problems that that expert caused. The second episode is on.

Is on eugenics and medicine and how the experts have taken us from heel, do no harm to killers.

We've got to stop listening to the experts, start doing our own homework. Make it yours, prey on it, make sure you haven't missed something, and then teach it to others. That's your job.

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This is somebody who is a general and trauma surgeon in Greenville, Texas. He just finished his general surgery training at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, and he is the guy that leaked information to Christopher Ruffo's story about how Texas children's Hospital continued and expanded its pediatric sex change program behind closed doors, even though they announced that they had shut that completely down.

So the Senate, because of this story, the Senate in Texas and the House passed legislation banning surgical and hormonal interventions on children.

And then he gets a knock on the door.

He gets a knock on his door. Two federal agents with HHS come and say you're under federal investigation by the Department of Justice.

He knew he was in real trouble because they didn't have, they didn't have anything. What law was broken? He's now been charged by the Department of Justice with four felonies.

They are sending a message, and we have to send a message back.

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Let me ask you something. You send your kid to a children's hospital.

Do you trust them?

The answer would be, yeah, probably. I've sent my kids to Texas children's Hospital all the time. When they're really sick, they go to Texas children's Hospital.

And I've always trusted them. I think we get good care.

And then something happened. The hospital came out and said, we are not doing these transgender surgeries. That's misinformation. We don't do it.

Okay. All right. Well, it's Texas children's Hospital. I trust them. Right.

Until a whistleblower came out and said, no, not only are they doing them, they've expanded it, but they're not telling you about it.

Well, that turned out to be true. And the Texas Senate and House passed legislation that force them to stop. Okay. Are they still doing it? I don't know. I don't know. But what happened to the whistleblower? Is this a good guy or a bad guy?

Well, the federal government and the Department of Justice has now put four felonies behind the name of the whistleblower and is taking him to court. And they have already spent everything they had to be able to fight. Fight this. They need your help. This is one of the clearest cut cases of weaponization of our federal government that I have seen yet, and we've seen a lot together.

Doctor Ethan Heim joins us in 60 seconds.

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That's crazy talk. That'll never happen. They'll never. Saudi Arabia is a good friend, and they'll never stop insisting that the world use the us dollar for making it the petrodollar.

Well, it just happened.

It's only a matter of time before our dollar is worthless and nobody in the press is talking about it. Isn't that interesting?

All right, I want to introduce you to doctor Ethan Heim. He is a surgeon and he is the pediatric sex change whistleblower.

He was the anonymous whistleblower in the study. That or the story that was released by Christopher Ruffo, good friend of the program and a good friend to the Republican. He exposed the Texas Children's Hospital continue and expanded its pediatric sex change program despite the fact that they had announced that that was all shut down in March 2022.

Well, within 24 hours of the story's publication, the laws in Texas were changed.

Now just a couple of weeks later, there's a knock on doctor Iam's door.

And it's he. It's people from HHs, agents from HHS. He said they were aggressive. We'll get the story from him. But they said he was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

He was standing at the door. They just wanted to do a quick interview. If my understanding. His wife said, no, no, wait, honey, let's get an attorney.

Now. There are four felonies.

He didn't break any laws.

Let's go to doctor him. Hello, doctor.

Dr. Ethan Haim
Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on. And, you know, it's a crazy day because in a few hours, we'll be going to court for the first time. So if anyone wants to donate to our legal fund, they can go to gibbsango.com Texas whistleblower. We need all the help we can get. We need to do something to protect these kids, protect whistleblowers. And thank you.

Glenn Beck
I'm welcome. And thank you for what you've done and your attitude. You have said, because you've already gone through all of your savings, all of your retirement funds, everything you've gone through to pay for the attorneys, and you really need help. And you said that you didn't want to come on, because you don't want to sound like some grifter. You didn't want to sound like you were making money off of this or even being a victim because you said all of this has been worth it.

Dr. Ethan Haim
Yeah. You know, it's. It's one of those things where you never imagine something like this is going to happen to you, right? Because you see it in the news, especially over the past few years, you see it happening to other people. But then one day, you know, that knock comes to your door.

And then after those agents left, right after my wife, you know, she advised me not to speak with them without attorney.

We had a decision to make. Right? Do we try to fight back, or do we submit to the ideology and try to make it all go away?

And we knew that we were going to have kids someday. And what kind of world would we be delivering them into if there's not the men and women in this world who are willing to sacrifice in order to deliver them to a better future?

So, yeah, we made a lot of sacrifices. We've sacrificed a lot. I mean, everything. We have all of our money.

But the thing is, what you gain back is something so much greater because you have the opportunity to fight back against people who are destroying this country.

And there's going to be some day in the future where my daughter and my wife is pregnant. She's 23 weeks with her first child.

Congratulations.

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it's my first Father's day yesterday, but it kind of became real because you think like you raise them, because to have the virtues to live a good and fulfilling life.

But what does that mean if the parents are not willing to sacrifice to make a world where those virtues are valuable? Because right now what's happening is this government is criminalizing those virtues. The justice system is protecting criminals, going after the innocent. The medical system is creating sickness and going after the healthy. Right. The education system is producing is miseducating people. Right.

It's like every institution is the opposite of what it's meant to do, and people like us have to do something about it, even if that means sacrificing.

Glenn Beck
Okay, so no laws have been violated that your attorneys can find. Right. No identifiable patient health information was disclosed, even though that's what the HHS or Department of justice said.

They first said that, you know. Right.

Go ahead.

Dr. Ethan Haim
We're not really sure, you know, because we'll find out later today because we have our first hearing. I mean, it's obvious, you know, all the evidence has been online since May 16, 2023.

We're not really sure what they've been alleging. I mean, you can. My attorneys had written a letter to Congress January 25, 2024, outlining the misconduct coming from the prosecutor's office. And, you know, that letter makes clear, you know, she had not even reviewed the evidence before she sent agents to my home. Right. And without even knowing the evidence, she had threatened my wife. Right. Because my wife is a assistant US attorney in the northern district of Texas with the Department of Justice. And she, even though she didn't look into the case, she did enough research to find out my wife was undergoing a background check and use that to say, well, Andrea, it's not going to have any problems unless she continues to become difficult. And what she was referring to was her advising me to my constitutional right to have an attorney present.

Glenn Beck
Right. So this stems from these guys. And you say they were overly aggressive and, you know, armed up. What was the approach from the HHS deputies or whatever they've got?

What was that like when you opened the door? How. How did you perceive this?

Dr. Ethan Haim
Yeah. The aggression was a reflection of their timing because it was June 23, 2023. It was about a month and a week after the story came out. And it was one of the most important days of my life. Right. The day I was graduating from surgical training. The ceremony was. Was later that evening. And, you know, it's like you sacrificed so much during those previous years, right? 80, 9100 hours a week. You miss so many important life events. And my family's in town. I'm ready to celebrate with all the people I've trained with. And a few hours before that, these armed HHS agents come to my home and inform me that I'm under a potential target of a criminal investigation.

And it's no surprise that they chose that day to come because they wanted to use the nature of the accomplishment as the crux of the threat, right? Saying that you just graduated, you have your whole career ahead of you. You better comply. We're going to take everything away from you. But. So they knock. They want the door.

Glenn Beck
Yeah. So they. They said we could just. We just want to talk to you. And your wife said at the time that, no, no, no.

Get an attorney, honey. Make sure you ask for your attorney to be present. Right.

Dr. Ethan Haim
And so, you know, you kind of freak out the moment when they show up to your door. Right. It's like, I didn't know what to do, so I invited them in. They want to do an interview. They start setting up a tripod. But then, luckily, my wife, she was getting ready at the time. She comes out, and then she pulls me aside. We go to the bedroom, and then she said, you know, we both agree that we should have an attorney present.

We go back out and tell them, you know, that, you know, it's just not a good idea. We won't speak with you. And then they say, okay, and then they leave. But before they hand me a target letter informing me I'm a potential target of a criminal investigation.

Glenn Beck
And they were telling you at the time, if you just cooperate, you could avoid the felony prosecution, correct?

Dr. Ethan Haim
Yeah. That was outlined in the letter my attorneys had sent to Congress, where it was the prosecutor who was saying that where. But, you know, it's for what. Right. And it's. No legal statute had been violated. Right. The hospital had been lying to the public about what they were doing to these children.

It revealed a principle of medicine. Right. Like, there's nothing you should be doing behind closed doors that you're unwilling to defend in public.

And if they need to lie to people about it, then of course it's wrong.

Glenn Beck
Something's wrong. Yes.

The prosecutor claimed that your wife had interfered with a criminal investigation because she said you should have your attorney present.

How is that interference with a criminal? How is the constitutional right an interference with a criminal investigation.

Dr. Ethan Haim
Yeah, I mean, that's exactly correct, because this is a constitutional right. And what we've been seeing over the past couple of years is the exact opposite. It's like the justice system has become weaponized against those who demonstrate the virtues that made this country great.

And we've seen this with countless cases, and these are cases you've covered. Right. And it's just. I'm just a regular guy. You know, I live in a very small town. I work in an even smaller town. And if it's happening to me, it's going to happen to all, to everyone else at some point. You know, they came for me. They're going to come for you.

Glenn Beck
So they also said that you didn't have the right to blow a whistle, because it's not, quote, your job to try to stop the pediatric program, that you should have put up a banner on the highway to express your opinion.

Dr. Ethan Haim
You know, that's one of the things that really frustrated me the most.

And, you know, Grant, we're hearing all of this. This is all happening while I'm anonymous. Because June 23, 2023 to January 24. January 2024, I'm still anonymous. Because, like, we didn't want to blow up our whole lives.

We just wanted to live a quiet life. That's why we moved to a small town and where I took the job that I did, because we just wanted to live a quiet life. But once we saw the depth of the corruption that was happening, we knew that we had no option. What could we do? They're going to destroy us. For her to say that I had no right to reveal that these children were being abused is so profoundly offensive, because as a surgeon. As a doctor, I take an oath to do no harm. That not only extends to my patients, to the patients I operate on, to the people I see in clinic, but that extends to my profession. And for someone to say I don't have a responsibility to maintain that oath in my profession is an abomination.

Right. And for someone who doesn't understand the boundaries of her profession, for her to be lecturing me on what I should be doing in my profession is an offense of the highest order.

And it was once I realized these things that I knew that I had no option. Right. Once you tell this story, the corruption becomes self evident, and that the corruption only thrives in the shadows. So.

Glenn Beck
So we're talking to doctor Ethan. We're talking to doctor Etham Heim. He is a surgeon. He was a whistleblower on the Texas Children's medical hospital, children's hospital, and he's paying a great, great price for it. If you would like to help defray some of the costs, he's already gone through all of his savings, all of his retirement.

You know what they make together? They're paying all of it it to the attorneys. None of this money goes to him or his wife. It goes directly to the attorneys. You can go to give sendgo.com Texas whistleblower givesendgo.com Texas whistleblower back with more with him in just a second. Stand by.

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And one of the reasons is this reminds me, I'm a self taught historian and I'm doing a lot of research now on the medical, the progressive medical doctors at the turn of the century here, where it led to sterilization and everything else else, and then how that moved the great medical science leaders in Germany. And one of the things they did was they started gassing old people and children or started poisoning them if there was no hope. And the german people found out about it, and they were horrified.

And so Hitler came out and said this is not going to happen. You're right banning this.

But then he doubled down and said, hide it. And children, if there was any kind of deformity at all, anything that was wrong with a child within the first two months, the doctors or the nurses that knew about it had to report it to the state. Then the state would take that child to a special hospital where they would all eventually die of, you know, the flu or whatever.

At that time, you didn't speak out against it or they would come knocking at your door.

Well, this is not the killing of children, but it is, in my opinion. And the state of Texas, mutilation of children. And so what did they do? They just hid it.

This is so critical that we stand with Doctor Haim and any whistleblower on this stuff. Stuff. Because if it's. If you don't have whistleblowers and you have a DOJ that can threaten any whistleblower, you're toast. You're toast. And you don't want it in the medical community.

Can we talk to you maybe tomorrow, Doctor Haim, to find out what happened in today's okay.

Dr. Ethan Haim
You know, if you mind if I'd say one more thing about that point that's so interesting about.

But, you know, so they were killing these kids back in the day, right? It's turned the 19th century and 1930s, but in this way, they're putting them on a path where these kids will kill themselves because they're going towards a horizon that they'll never reach. Right? They're living so discordant with the reality of themselves. And people have to understand how horrifying this is and how we have to do something about it. And Mister Becky, thank you so much for having me on. Please.

Glenn Beck
And call me Glenn. Doctor, I appreciate it. If you want to help, give, send go.com Texas whistleblower. Give sengo.com Texas whistleblower.

He really needs our support. I'm anxious to talk to him tomorrow, find out. He finds out the charges, I guess today. Isn't that great for felonies?

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Glenn Beck
We have a lot to talk about. Pat. I'd actually like to continue our conversation here first that we were having off the air about the american eugenics program and how absolutely evil this was.

And, you know, I don't know. You've been watching the, what is it?

Pat Gray
Hitler and the Nazis documentary.

Glenn Beck
Nazis.

Pat Gray
Yeah.

Glenn Beck
There's, I've only watched the first episode. I've, I've been watching like ten minutes of it at a time when I can, but it's a new series. And I noticed in one of, one of the clips from the first episode that they mentioned Hitler was saying, you know, make Germany great again. Yeah.

Pat Gray
Yep. That's, that drives me out of my mind. They, they reference that multiple times.

Glenn Beck
Oh, geez.

Pat Gray
And it's just, I think it's a little subtle thing to tie Trump into nazi.

Glenn Beck
Subtle. Yeah.

Pat Gray
Or not so subtle.

Glenn Beck
Yeah, of course it is. Of course it is.

So, but do they get into the american eugenics that were.

Pat Gray
They do, yeah, they do. Episode three or four, they talk about how we, we didn't get these things from them. They got it from us that the Nazis were really big admirers of eugenics in America. Now, they don't tell you who the eugenicists in America were. The progressives, the Margaret Sangers of the world, the Planned Parenthood founder and some.

Glenn Beck
Of the most respected doctors at the time in America.

Pat Gray
Yeah, they don't mention that.

Glenn Beck
Yeah. The, the Society for Human Betterment, I think it was called. That was at Stanford University. If you go to Stanford University, many of the buildings there at this university are all named after the eugenicists that inspired the Nazis.

It's crazy. That is absolutely nuts.

And, you know, the way they did it, the first Nuremberg laws for the Jews, that was based on some of our slavery laws. It was also based on american eugenicists.

And, you know, I've been reading and I'm putting something together. I've had this idea for a long time, and I've been putting it together because I'm starting to now collect as much of this information as I can to show this. But it was a vicious circle and I've been reading Annie Jacobs, Jacob, Jacob Jacobson's book on Operation Paperclip, where we brought the Nazis back in.

And when it comes to the doctors, we brought a lot of these doctors in that were doing horrifying things after World War two.

Pat Gray
Right?

Glenn Beck
Yes. And we just said, let's look the other way. On their whole, the way they were doing these experiments and they brought them in. So the cycle starts with us, and then we teach it to Germany. Germany then takes it and makes it into a death camp and does all these things like they're doing right now with the story we just shared with you, where they shut the hospitals down on information, they fired all of the doctors and nurses that wouldn't go along, and they were killing people in their hospitals and doing all kinds of experiments on them without people's knowledge. Then those doctors, the scarier people were not, they were not in the black boots and the black leather jackets they wore, the white coats.

Those were the scariest of Nazi Germany. And then we took those scary guys and reintroduced them into our medical system after the war.

Pat Gray
Yeah.

Glenn Beck
I can't prove it, but I am, I am on the journey to track it from us, inspiring Germany, what Germany did then reintroducing those people here into what's happened since.

I mean, a lot of the stuff the CIA was doing, all those experiments, a lot of that stuff inspired by the Germans and most likely inspired by the operation Paperclip people that we brought in.

Pat Gray
Speaker one, would it surprise anybody to know that? I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it? All those experiments that should have never happened, and especially experimenting on people who didn't know you're experimenting on, correct.

Glenn Beck
Well, that's what they're doing with the, right now. They're now saying to the kids, these are proven. They're experiments. They're experiments.

Anyway, there is a couple of stories here that I'd like to share with you. One is, remember the video of Joe Biden kind of wandering off and Prime Minister Maloney going over and grabbing him and bringing him back in a very graceful way.

Pat Gray
Yep.

Glenn Beck
The White House now has come out and said, this is disinformation. And there's stories everywhere about this on how this is disinformation. He was looking at some of the other parachutists, and he just wanted to go over and salute them and congratulate them.

Maybe it's true, maybe it's not true, but it certainly is true that, that he is not looking presidential. He is not paying attention. He is in his own little world.

But they notice that. They say this is disinformation. They say that to discredit anyone. Now, let me take it a step further.

Over the weekend, there was a fundraiser in California, in Los Angeles.

Pat Gray
Huge.

Glenn Beck
And. Yeah, huge. And I think $50 million, something like that. Jimmy Kimmel hosted it, and Barack Obama was there with Joe Biden, George Clooney, Julia Roberts.

Pat Gray
Bunch of stars. Yeah.

Glenn Beck
So at the end, Joe Biden is standing there with his hands kind of clenched. He waves a couple of times, but his hands were clenched and he was in that, you know, frozen solid sort of look, look. And when it time, it comes time to leave the stage, Obama just reaches over and grabs him by the wrist and leads him off stage.

And it looks horrible. Absolutely horrible.

But we can't show that video to you today because of something that all of us in the media, at least on our side, is going through now. And it's lawfare.

We are being sued and everybody in our position being sued if we play any clip.

And, you know, it's weird. We don't get in trouble for playing clips that, you know, are neutral or don't have anything to do with anything. But, you know, Joe Biden and the left, we can't play them. And they're, they're charging now. Like, that clip is $600 per play. One. One play. One play.

And I don't even know if that includes on the Internet and replays and everything else. So they're making it impossible for us to show you clips of things that.

Pat Gray
Happened that are all over the Internet, by the way. They're all over. We just can't talk about them. We can't do it. I mean, we can talk about it, but we can't show it. And it makes it. And I probably makes it worse, right?

Glenn Beck
I think it does. I was just going to say that I think it makes it much worse because if I describe to you Joe Biden on the stage and is in, he's in that pose where he's just stiff and his hands are clenched and Obama grabs him by the arm, your imagination might make that worse than it actually is.

Pat Gray
Yeah.

Glenn Beck
You might watch that and go, well, it's not that bad, but if we can't play it, you don't get to decide. And that's the point.

You don't get to decide.

Pat Gray
But Obama definitely grabs him by the wrist and starts leading him out. And then he smoothly kind of makes it like, oh, this is my good buddy, and puts his arm around him and then he just pushes him off the stage. He just guides him the whole way, the whole time. Never, never removes his arm from, from Joe Biden's back. It's amazing to watch.

And I don't know how they explain that away. I'm sure they'll say, oh, they're just very close.

Glenn Beck
And Barack wanted to, Barack does not like Joe Biden.

Pat Gray
Not for a minute.

Glenn Beck
There is, there's something, something else. Is the debate on Thursday or Friday of this week?

Pat Gray
It's a week from Thursday.

Glenn Beck
Week from Thursday. I'm reading so much that Donald Trump is just going to cream him and everything else.

I would be very careful with your predictions on this. First of all, it, it will higher expectations. So everybody will expect him just to make a clean sweep. And if he doesn't, then it looks like a loss for Donald Trump. So be careful on the way. You're being used to talk about this. And the other thing is, and we will find this out. Well, we won't, but our kids or grandkids will find out.

I'm convinced that they juice him.

Pat Gray
Oh, big time, for sure. Just like they did for the State of the union address.

Glenn Beck
Well, we don't know that for sure, but we speculate, yes. I mean, he comes out and he is a different man entirely.

And, you know, they did this for JFK and everything else, and we didn't know about it for 20 years.

But, you know, just like Elvis and everybody else, we, you gotta perform. Let's get him to performance level and they juice him up. And so he'll be clear. I think he'll actually do well. He'll be clear.

Donald Trump could also look like a bully to this sweet little old man.

I mean, honestly, no idea how this thing is going to play out. No idea. The question we should be asking is why are they doing it before either of them, them are officially the candidate for their party?

Pat Gray
Speaker one, is your thought on that? So they can make a change if they, if they decide to? Speaker one?

Glenn Beck
I have no thought on it. I have no thought on it other than we're not probably going to get a debate right before the election.

And, you know, there's a million ways you can go. They, you know, if he doesn't do well, they can change him.

You know, if he gets worse in the next six months, they know what they're dealing with now. But what will he be like in November? Look how fast this guy is deteriorating.

Pat Gray
Yep.

Glenn Beck
So maybe it's that may, I don't know, but in my lifetime, Pat, I don't think I've ever seen a debate between the two candidates in a presidential debate before the two conventions.

Pat Gray
No, I don't think it's happened. I think this is the earliest ever.

Glenn Beck
Right. So what's that all about?

Why is that happening?

Pat Gray
It might be, yeah. I think, like you said, it could be a number of things. But one of the things that I think is pretty obvious is that if he performs badly, you got plenty of time to recover from that. You know, if this happens right before the election and he performs terribly like we expect him to, or so many of us do, then that hurts him. But if. Six months before, you forget.

Glenn Beck
Right. And if he does really, really well, like he did at the State of the union, I mean, I thought it was a horrible speech, and I disagreed with almost everything he said, but.

Pat Gray
But performed better than I thought he would.

Glenn Beck
Oh, yeah. He performed like he was there.

Pat Gray
Yeah.

Glenn Beck
And if he performs like he's there, then they have that to go to all the time, over and over again, no matter what he's like, you know, because you cannot have, you can't have the performance of the state of the union and the performance in the rest of his life. You know, you just. It doesn't. They're juicing him with something. Something's happening to get him to that state. And so, and I think he'll be in that state, which everybody will say because they're expecting such a poor performance of him. Oh, look, he's not as bad as everybody says.

Pat Gray
Yep.

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We're glad that you're, we're glad that you're here. Let me just play cut number one here. The media montage of how great Biden really is.

There it is. Tech issues.

Pat Gray
Was that it? Was that how great he is? Because I agree with that.

Glenn Beck
Great he is. He is frozen in the control room. I'm sorry.

We're having some tech issues, so we can't. Here it is. Here it is.

Start your tape right now because I'm about to tell you the truth, and f you, if you can't handle the truth. This version of Biden is the best Biden ever.

She knows. So long since he was denied. In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been. President. Biden has a photographic memory.

Pat Gray
His understanding and mastery of a complicated geopolitical situation.

Glenn Beck
Remarkable. He is sharp, intensely probing and detail oriented and focused.

Pat Gray
Jackie, are you here? Where's Jackie?

Glenn Beck
I didn't think she was sitting 2ft from him across the table. And he was, you know, intense. Have trouble walking sometimes. Yeah, so did that. People. He wanted GD war, but he's totally focused. He's very sharp. They say he's sharp in meetings and so on. Very lucid. Well, very well informed. Biden is stately and he comes with gravitas. There hasn't been, as far as I know, a single claim that Biden unreal. Made a mistake. Ageism is an issue. Americans have a rich history of holding people's physical characteristics against them. Okay. You can ask African Americans.

Dr. Ethan Haim
He's older.

Glenn Beck
That doesn't mean that he is unfit. And there's a lot of ageism there. Now, this age attack, this obsession by the right.

Pat Gray
I know I can't, oh, my gosh.

Glenn Beck
I can't get past this is, you know, he said, wow, he has trouble walking. Well, so did FDR. FDR was in a wheelchair.

But here's the thing, nothing has changed. The press protected him.

Never showed him in a wheelchair.

Pat Gray
Right.

Glenn Beck
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I want to have a really difficult conversation, one that you're immediately going to feel one way, and then you'll hear some details, and then that might make it worse, or some other details might make it better, and you don't.

This is one of those things. I don't know how I should feel, but we should talk about it. Because I think it goes down to our fundamental belief in redemption. Do we believe that a man can change?

Or are they forever marked by their past mistakes? And they can be massive mistakes.

Do we believe in redemption or not?

And this one involves a church.

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I read a story this weekend that full disclosure involves a good friend of mine, a dear friend of mine, a friend of mine who I have an awful lot of respect for because I believe he truly changed a community for the good in a way that I have, I've rarely seen anyone do. A guy who has been very frank with me, not necessarily on the details, but has, has said to me, when we were kind of having a, you know, I'm worse than you are kind of debate. At one point we were just talking about sin and, you know, and I said I was just a monster, blah, blah, blah. And he just looked at me in the eye and said, you have no idea. You're a rookie compared to the sins that I have done. He said, when I was younger, he said I was despicable.

And he said, but redemption is real, blah, blah, blah.

I really love this guy.

And I read a story today or over the weekend that my friend Robert Morris, the founder and pastor of Gateway Church, is being accused of sexually assaulting a child in the 1980s.

Now, I, I read this and I thought, whoa, whoa, what?

Well, he's not being accused now. Okay? This is a reporter that knew the story or found the story and went to the, the victim, who is a victim and had her retell the story. But this has all been dealt with in the 1980s.

The woman claims, no, she doesn't claim it's true.

She claims Morris sexually assaulted her starting in 1982. And here's where it gets bad. He was in his twenties and she was twelve.

He had become close to their family. He was a traveling evangelist.

They were first published, these accusations by the Warbug Watch, North Carolina based church watchdog blog, the Christian Post picked up the story on Saturday.

The alleged abuse. It's not alleged, it's true. Okay. The alleged abuse continued until 1987. Now this is the first thing, because when I found out about this, I immediately called some friends and I said, what is the story on this?

And the way they have approached this story of she claims and it's alleged leads you to believe that it had never been dealt with.

And it has been dealt with.

He has said now, not publicly to his current congregation, but he has said, when I was young, I had very inappropriate sexual behavior.

When I was in my early twenties, I was involved in an inappropriate sexual behavior with a young lady in a home where I was staying. It was kissing and petting and not intercourse. But what happened was wrong.

He said the behavior happened on several occasions over a few years. All that's true.

The only thing that's missing from that, it was that she was twelve.

That's kind of a big deal.

However, it was dealt with in 1987 and dealt with him and the family.

In fact, in 1989, he, the girl, the father and Robert's new wife met together and talked about it and dealt with things. It was dealt through with his church at the time. They stopped him from being an evangelist and he couldn't go on the road anymore.

That I think lasted for two or three years.

I know that he had been under, you know, he's been very clear with his church, all the leaders, they have been very clear that we're putting in some things to watch you to make sure.

But he's never had a problem since.

He recognized how wrong. And I know without him telling me what it was, because I knew that there was something very deep and dark in his past, because when we were talking about our pasts, he would cry sometimes about, you don't understand how what the Lord will forgive.

And he has, as far as I know, changed. There's been nothing since 1987, nothing. Now this is one of the worst things that could a human being can do, right?

We all feel like, you know, you're doing something with a twelve year old and you're in your twenties, that's horrible. Horrible.

So what do we do with this information? Because it's not new information, it's just new to us, but not new to, not new to the church, not new to the church elders.

You know, he went, when he started gateway, he was very clear with them. Years later, he was very clear. This was in my past, you know, yada yada.

The question is that I have, because I don't know how to.

I don't know how to.

If I were a church member, I would say, well, I don't want him with a pastor, but he's not a youth pastor.

But I also think as long as the church and everybody knew about it and had dealt with it, it's not like, hey, we've got a pedophilia problem with our priests.

And so we fired one of them, and the rest of them we've transferred to another place. Okay, that didn't happen. That didn't happen.

He went through deep therapy and everything else, and there has been no indication ever since, and everybody knew about it.

My question is, how much do we believe in the atonement? How much do we believe a man can change?

How deep does the atonement go? Does it cover everything or just some things?

Does it cover our sins but not their sins?

Does it cover, well, my alcoholism and you know me, whatever, it covers that. But it stops here.

And if it does stop, where does it stop?

I give people too much of the benefit of the doubt because I've been given. And some would say this is a curse because I will misjudge people sometimes because I can see people for who they really are, not necessarily the person that they have become, but for the person that they really are. And sometimes after I get to know them, I become very, very sad because they know who they've allowed themselves to become, and they no longer think there's a path back to the person they really are. Does that make sense?

And.

And I forgive because I've. I've been there. I mean, Pat, you and I had just had this conversation a few weeks ago about how, you know, anybody can do anything to me in the past, and I'll just be like, that's okay, that's all right. It's okay.

And Stu hates that. He thinks that's one of my worst traits. I think it's one of my better traits, but I don't know.

And I think that comes from me knowing the worst of me and knowing that change is real.

If you truly put your faith in God and you truly want to change, and you're truly repentant, and you do all of the hardest things. I mean, going through a repentance process, going through even, like, the twelve steps when you dig in and you force yourself to look at the worst things about you, admit, try to make amends, do what he did. Meet with the family, meet with. Can you imagine sitting in front of her dad?

Oh, and what those conversations were like.

Pat Gray
And again, he did do that.

Glenn Beck
He did do that.

Pat Gray
And when you said I asked their forgiveness and they graciously forgave me, now.

Glenn Beck
I'm sure that didn't happen immediately.

Pat Gray
Probably not.

Glenn Beck
You have to take, you have to take steps, and it doesn't mean when you forgive somebody, you trust them immediately.

But this is 1987 and the man has nothing since then.

Just because I was out of control and, you know, would drink and once in a while, you know, I would, you know, I would be doing business hammered out of my mind and nobody knew. Doesn't mean you can't trust me now with business.

I haven't done that since the 1990s, mid 1990s.

How long do I have to pay that price before I'm trustworthy?

Well, I don't know, I think I'm trustworthy. I think anybody in my life knows that I'm trustworthy.

But there might be somebody that's like, I don't know, there. Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic.

Once a guy who kisses a twelve year old is always a guy who wants to kiss twelve year old.

Maybe, maybe not.

But this case, with the amount of time that has gone by, I'm interested to see on what his church does to him.

Pat Gray
Yeah, is he. So far he's still the pastor at gateway, right?

Glenn Beck
Yes, yes, but he's going to get all kinds of heat. Oh, man, he's going to get all kinds of heat. And you know, another lesson to learn from this is you just have to come clean on everything. You just have to say it, because then you're on record saying it.

He had to have, I guess, some fear that somebody's going to say something about this to his congregation. I don't know. I never talked to him about this, obviously, but there would be fear with me if I had some hidden part of my life that I had dealt with and everybody had dealt with, but I don't want everybody to know about it.

It's bad, it's not good, and it causes you fear. And fear doesn't come from God. And that's why I've said to you, if you have something in your life, deal with it, clean it up, declare it.

You know what? I did this. I did this, but I fixed it. Take the heat then, because otherwise that will be in, that will be used against you.

And look, he did everything right. And, you know, everybody knew who gave him opportunities afterwards, and they, they forced him to do the right things. I'm sure he wanted to, but, you know, they made sure he did the right things and they monitored him to make sure there was no other possibility of this happening again under their watch.

And he passed with flying colors. Now the question is, do we actually believe that Christ can redeem you and that you can change or not?

This is one of the worst sins you can imagine.

But in the day, Paul was Saul and he killed christians. He led the mobs to kill christians.

Imagine being an apostle, and Paul is now preaching the gospel of Christ because he was converted.

I don't know if I want to bring him into our crowd right now. He was responsible for all of the worst, beatings, stonings, killings of christians.

How long do we have to watch Paul?

Well, they did for a while, and he had truly changed his ways.

If that's not the reason Christ came, I don't know what is.

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I have to tell you, I hope we can have these conversations as adults because, you know, I was doing the commercial there. I thought to myself, you know, how many people that are kids that went through this with somebody would vehemently disagree with what I just said.

And I can understand that. And I can understand.

I mean, I'm glad I'm a distant viewer on this, and I don't think it has tainted my vision because I know him because we're friends or anything like that. I know him and respect him because of what he's done today.

This is a new revelation that you find out that happened 35 years ago, and you're like, whoa, wow, I didn't know that, that he really was bad. You know, like, he told me he was bad. He really, really was bad.

And I don't think there's a win on talking about this. I just think that we have to decide, each of us, what our christian faith teaches us. And is there, are there lines?

How do you feel about this, Pat?

Pat Gray
I, well, I mean, we both know, you know him a lot better than I do, but I know him as well. And he was a next door neighbor.

Glenn Beck
Next door to him.

Pat Gray
Yeah.

He was two houses down for me. And I, he was a great guy, and I. So it's, it's hard, and I don't know if that taints us in our judgment on this, but, you know, something that happened, happened over 40 years ago now. And then it was dealt with 35 years ago.

It's hard to imagine that this would cost him his position now at gateway. It's hard to imagine. Well, especially when he dealt with it with her, you know, the victim and.

Glenn Beck
The victim and the family.

Pat Gray
And that was taken care of a long time.

Glenn Beck
Right.

Pat Gray
You know, it is. It's part of atonement, right? That's, that's the process. You go and you ask forgiveness from the people that you've wronged, and then you move on with your life from there. And you're supposed to be, you know, if we are, if we believe in our christian values, that's the way it's supposed to work now. You don't necessarily have to put them right back in the position they were in, which they didn't, which they didn't for two years. So.

Glenn Beck
And it's a different church. It's not gayly. And then he founded Gateway years later. But I mean, even if you don't have a big redempt redemption process, are you the same person you were 40 years ago?

I know I'm not.

Pat Gray
No.

Glenn Beck
I'm not even anywhere close to it. Stand up, Glenn Beck.

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Hello, and welcome to the program. We're glad you're here. I'm sure this is going to cost a lot for my reputation with people who don't listen to me at all because the media is going to make it look like I'm standing up for people who molest children, and I'm certainly not.

I am standing up for redemption after 40 years and things, you know, we all make horrible mistakes and that's one of the worst ones you can make, that murder some of the worst mistakes that you can ever make. Are you ever forgiven and can you ever be reintroduced into polite society?

Yeah, I think you can. I just got a letter from somebody who is a dear, dear friend of mine, known them forever, had had zero idea that they were horribly abused as a child, sexually abused because, well, you know, it was in the family. And it was also, you know, anybody who had a shot because they grew up in a, you know, not a wealthy family and had to go spend the afternoons at the y and.

Horribly abused.

And she wrote to me and said, you know, I, I agree with you, but when it comes to my abusers, I wouldn't mind. I've forgiven them, but I wouldn't mind something bad happening to them. And I understand that.

I understand that. But, you know, it is the forgiveness that we give to people that is the only way we get over things. If we can't forgive the people who have done things to us, we just rot on the inside and you've got to let it go. And that's really super hard. But the same thing is true with the other side, if the other side really is serious and repents and tries to make amends and everything else and changes their life if they dwell on it. This is why I think in the armor of God, where it calls the helmet of salvation, probably scholars will tell you Glenn Beck doesn't know his ass from his elbow, and that's true. But I've always interpreted that as reflect or deflecting all of the tricks of the mind or of Satan, where they're saying, yeah, but you did this. Yeah, but you did this. Who are you to say that? Because you're like this, you have to have a helmet. And that helmet is salvation. It is. I have been forgiven of my sins.

And you got to stop thinking about those things or it will destroy you. And that is the key to the wiles of the evil that we live around, making you feel guilty about everything.

I mean, we live in such an evil society now on so many different fronts. But when your leaders are saying that you can't be forgiven for something that you didn't even do, you need the helmet of salvation, because that's just an absolute lie.

And I know it's hard to get over. I mean, just talking now about the other side on victims. My father, he was horribly abused. And I've talked about this by his father, and his mother was abused by his father. He was violent, and he was also sexual.

And my father hated his father and his father, I only really remember flashes of him before he had strokes.

And my uncle, the same. He was exactly the same. And the flashes, they both had strokes, thank God. Kind of took him out of practice. But I only have flashes of memories of them being fully there. And the flashes of my memory was. One of them was with my grandfather, and he was coming down the hall, and the only thing I remember is seeing his face and going, get out of here, get out of here. Get out of here. Just being terrified of him.

My father ran away from home when he was young and he went to the YMCA. He was probably, I don't know, 1415, somewhere in that area.

And he ran away to Los Angeles and he was staying at the YMCA. And my father was the most open minded man on any and everything. He never.

He was like, look, everybody expresses themselves differently.

Don't judge people, et cetera, et cetera. But if somehow or another, occasionally something about homosexuality would come up and he would just rail on that and just was just like a different person.

And even us kids, we said, you know, younger, you know, when we were in our twenties and thirties, and we were talking about our dad, trying to figure him out.

We were like, what is the deal with this? How is that? I mean, it doesn't fit.

He's so tolerant on everything except for that lifestyle.

And I found out my dad finally told me before he died that he had been sexually abused by several men at the YMCA, and that just changed him.

And my dad just became focused on not becoming his father or his brother and just didn't want to become that. But you can't do that.

You have to find out what you do want to become, because in his effort not to become his father or grandfather, he became my grandmother, the abused.

And he never saw it.

He never saw it. And it just makes me sad.

But anyway, so I understand all of these things. By the way, can I change the subject? I saw something that I just don't understand, and that is that the u turn sign, now that you see bigot.

Pat Gray
On streets, that you even bring it up, that's bigoted. Yeah. Just absolutely bigoted. Yeah. Yeah.

Glenn Beck
Okay.

How. How exactly is it bigoted?

Pat Gray
Well, they're trying to make this into a sign thing because there were a couple of signs in this area in Los Angeles when apparently a lot of homosexuals moved into the area. And so apparently it was also used as a place to pick up a date in that area. So they'd have no cruising. Yeah, I mean.

Glenn Beck
Yeah, I don't think.

Pat Gray
They'Re going to the movie call.

Glenn Beck
Yeah. Okay. A booty call.

Pat Gray
So they had a couple of signs up. The first sign was taken down a long time ago, and it said, no cruising in this area. Something to that.

Glenn Beck
Okay. Yeah.

Pat Gray
Okay. So they took that down, and then you couldn't make u turns because once you spotted the person. Person that you wanted to get together with, they would make a u turn and go back and see him. And so that's why supposedly, I guess, the u turn sign was bigoted because it was directed against homosexuals going back and pick it up there in this.

Glenn Beck
One neighborhood in Los Angeles.

Pat Gray
Yes.

Glenn Beck
Okay, well, that might be very specific to that one neighborhood.

I, you know, I saw this, and I'm like, like, what does that. How is that possibly even bigoted now? I mean, you want to talk about something that is so small in one individual's life that might be real, but, you know, you got to get over it. It's like, you know, if, you know, if I. If I see, you know, a yield sign, and I'm. Well, I was taught that that was yield to Satan, and I think it's an evil, evil sign. Well, that's not what it means, dude. It's not. That was just.

Pat Gray
I'm gonna ignore that stop sign. Cause what am I, what are you telling me to stop?

Glenn Beck
You can't stop. Love never stops. No, love never should never be told to stop.

Pat Gray
Don't ever tell me to stop loving. I won't do it.

I'm driving right through this thing right, right now.

Glenn Beck
It holds nothing. I see nothing there except your hatred and a semi truck that's about to plow into my passport.

There's that.

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So, you know, while we're talking about abuse and stuff, here's a story that I read this weekend.

A former FBI agent was convicted on Friday of sexually assaulting an eleven year old girl while serving as an Alabama state trooper, a law enforcement job he landed after he was kicked out of the FBI amid claims that he raped a co worker at knife point.

Now, wow, wow.

Call me old fashioned, but if you've raped a co worker, knife point or not, I don't think you should go into law enforcement after that. Well, you're, I am old fashioned.

Pat Gray
1943.

Glenn Beck
Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know.

Apparently, according to this Associated Press investigation, he was able to hide his, quote, checkered past.

I don't know. I think holding a colleague by knife point and raping them might be more than checkered.

And move from one law enforcement job with the help of an allegedly forged letter making it appear that he was eligible for rehire.

Hmm. Wow.

Pat Gray
Wow.

Glenn Beck
Found guilty of first degree sodomy and sexual abuse of a child under twelve following a week long trial during which the attorneys claimed the girl had made up the allegations. Yeah, that's probably not a good defense.

He has been jailed since his 2021 arrest, faces similar child abuse charges outside of New Orleans.

Louisiana State police say they intend to extradite him following the Alabama proceeding proceedings. So, you know, when the, how do.

Pat Gray
You rate a co worker in the FBI and then continue to just wander around the country free? How, how did that happen?

Glenn Beck
Speaker one? I don't know.

Pat Gray
That's amazing.

Glenn Beck
I don't know.

Pat Gray
Was it because the FBI was too busy trying to find stuff on Donald Trump? Is that what happened? They're out there?

Glenn Beck
Well, back in, I think they might have been helping OJ find the real killer as well.

Pat Gray
Okay. Yeah, that takes a lot of time, so.

Glenn Beck
A lot, a lot of time.

This is really, I mean, disturbing. You know, they said that he had a letter of discharge from the FBI. You know, we have this thing, or at least we used to when, when I was young, called a telephone and you would call for a reference, you know.

Pat Gray
Well then what, where did you take your pictures? If your telephone was for calling people?

What did you do about photos?

Glenn Beck
We used a camera. Oh, wow. Which is also in your phone now. But you should, you should think about using that phone and saying, hey, you guys, what was he like? Did he, did he ever hold a coworker, you know, at knife point to rape them?

And they could have said, that's oddly specific. But yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. It was weird. It was weird like that.

Pat Gray
Oh, man.

Glenn Beck
Oh my God.

Pat Gray
Well, it's the FBI. I mean, do you expect them to actually do law enforcement work? Come on.

Glenn Beck
Well, no, I used to. Yeah, I used to.

Pat Gray
But not now.

Glenn Beck
No, not. Not anymore. By the way, Ms 13 members and russian gang members and a, quote, cadre of corrupt surgeons and lawyers have put together this. This little thing where they.

They find an illegal alien who's poor and destitute and they say, go walk by this construction site and then fall.

And then we're going to sue them because you. You did bit damage to your back. And they'll say, I don't speak English. And they'll say, that doesn't matter. Just go with us.

And we will. Will. We will then have this surgeon fuse your back together and testify how bad.

Pat Gray
This was, even though it doesn't need to be done.

Glenn Beck
Yeah, no, you just fell. It's no big deal. And we'll sue him for like a million, million and a half, and you'll get up to $1,000.

Pat Gray
Woohoo.

Yeah, that's irresistible right there.

Glenn Beck
Really?

Pat Gray
Say no to that.

Glenn Beck
I could get my back fused for life and I get $1,000. Wow. Wow.

Pat Gray
That's a deal.

Glenn Beck
Yeah.

Here's another one. Speaking of illegals, venezuelan migrants, for the second time now, have carjacked in an NYPD officer.

And the Venezuelan was armed with a fully automatic pistol pencil, which, of course, we all get those, right? Oh, shit. You can get those that. You can go get those at the ace hardware store.

Pat Gray
Yeah, they're more prevalent than books for high school students.

Glenn Beck
So can I ask you, how brazen do you have to be to kidnap or carjack an NYPD officer?

Pat Gray
I mean, it fairly, fairly brazen.

Glenn Beck
Kind of. Kind of shows that you're like, man, doesn't matter to me. You're not gonna. You're not gonna do anything about it, so why not?

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