6/6/24: Biden brain report falls apart, first confirmed bird flu death

David Pakman
Welcome, everybody. As many of you know, some time ago, I started talking about bird flu, and most of the audience appreciated it, understood why I was talking about it. A few folks said, David, are you fear mongering about this bird flu thing? I don't know if it's really something that makes sense to talk about. Well, unfortunately, we now have our first human death from this new bird flu strain, h five n two. It's in Mexico. According to the who, there is no known contagion or exposure. And this is a critical, critical detail here. So far, the bird flu cases in humans have been folks known to have had exposure, you know, in a poultry facility, for example, or to cows or whatever the case may be, animal contagion, animal contact in this individual, we don't know where they got it. We just. It's just not clear. And this now starts to take on a different sort of feel. Reuters reports person with bird flu died in Mexico who says the source of exposure was unknown, who maintains the current risk of bird flu virus to the general population is low. You know, when I see that, it's not about being alarmist or of burying your head in the sand. The same thing was being said about Covid-19 in November and December of 2019. And then we know what happened. So it's hard to put a lot of weight behind such a statement, but it is what we have a. Details, additional details 59 year old resident of the state of Mexico had been hospitalized in Mexico City, died on April 24. So understand that we're just learning about this, but it happened some time ago after developing a fever, shortness of breath, diarrhea, nausea, general discomfort.

Although the source of exposure to the virus in this case is currently unknown, a h five n two viruses have been reported in poultry in Mexico. It was the first lab confirmed human case of infection with h five n two globally, and the first avian h five virus reported in a person in Mexico. According to the WHO, scientists say the case is unrelated to h five n one bird flu in the united states, which has so far infected three dairy farm workers. So those are two different strains. And again, importantly, the source of the infection here has not been identified. No history of exposure to poultry or other animals. Listen, I'll admit the other day I walked by on the street and there were two dead birds with flies all over them. And I immediately thought about bird flu. And I immediately thought about, why are there two birds here? Did they crash into each other while flying? Doesn't seem like the most likely thing. I'm not saying there's evidence they had bird flu. But the point is, it's on my mind and it's on the minds of others who are texting me about this. Uh, so I don't know where it goes. We spoke to an expert about this recently. He said, listen, at the individual level right now, there's very little to do. The exposure is really not human to human. It's animal to human. And as, as a precaution, avoid raw milk. Certainly cook your eggs all the way through. I have to admit, I forgot about this and had over medium eggs the other day. Dipped a Jerusalem bagel in the yolk, and it was great.

And then afterwards, I said, oh, wait a second. I thought I was supposed to have these eggs, egg yolks, fully, fully cooked through.

But there's really not much else that can be done right now. Obviously, if you work in a place where there is poultry, that is a different story. So we're going to continue following it. I don't believe it's alarmist to talk about the fact that h five n one, h five n two are here. We're starting to see some human cases. Beyond that, there's very little else to say, but we're going to keep an eye on it. In under 24 hours, the Biden's brain is turning to mush. Report from the Wall Street Journal seems to have been debunked already. Now, yesterday on the show, I came to you and I said, sir, ma'am, I'm not going to hide the fact that there is a supposedly well sourced report in the Wall Street Journal from Annie Linsky, which appears to suggest that behind the scenes Joe Biden is having some cognitive issues.

It would be irresponsible for me, given that we've been covering the mental and cognitive state state of the two candidates, to pretend that this article doesn't exist. So I reported it to you. I said, if these things are true, it would be very concerning. Some of the sourcing is a little shaky because it's six people who spoke to MAGa, Mike Johnson. I don't know about that. It's Kevin McCarthy talking to a couple people.

I don't know. But with my hesitation about the sourcing, it was a news story that was worth telling you about.

We now have learned that the entire thing appears to be B's. It turns out that Kevin McCarthy's supposed statements about Biden not making sense are about the exact same meeting during which Kevin McCarthy previously said no. Biden was completely with it. He remembered everything.

Absolutely no concerns and we are now to believe, according to what summer telling us, and you'll see this in a moment, that when Kevin McCarthy said Biden was fine, he said it because he felt pressure to be polite. But now he's telling us the truth. According to Siobhan Hughes, one of the other authors of this piece, it appears as though the entire thing is essentially nonsense at this point in time. Here is one of the authors of the piece, Siobhan Hughes on CNN trying to explain this. Kevin McCarthy, on the one hand, on the other hand thing, I go to his house.

Siobhan Hughes
He's not the same person. You also in the story mention some of the differing things that McCarthy has kind of said about Biden. So I wonder how you can kind of make heads or tails of that. It was reported, of course, by the New York Times and Politico last year that he would publicly skewer Biden, but then privately he would tell his allies that he found Biden to be sharp in their meetings.

David Pakman
Right.

Breonna Keillor
So we heard from administration officials that McCarthy did say that the president was sharp in meetings. Our reporting also suggested that McCarthy was doing that tactically because he had to get along with President Biden at a time when the country was at really risk of a debt default if there was not some type of a deal.

David Pakman
So that's the explanation, folks. Kevin McCarthy lied before for political purposes, but now you can completely trust him that Biden's brain is mush because he has no political reason today to start saying something completely different. Oh, I see. When Biden is sharp, according to McCarthy, it's a tactical lie. When Biden is senile and disoriented, according to McCarthy, he really means it. And that's it.

The story imploding before our very eyes. Here is another clip from CNN yesterday.

And they talk about whether there is dispute over the facts or not. Siobhan Hughes says there's no dispute over the facts. And CNN anchor Breonna Keillor says there's a huge dispute over the facts.

Siobhan Hughes
Actually, I wonder, and you talk about it a little bit in the piece, the White House reaction to this. And of course there is sensitivity because this is something that is on voters minds. How did the White House react?

Breonna Keillor
The White House reaction? I think you can see for yourself, the White House disputes what is in the story. They dispute that Biden has these bad moments. They insist that he is sharp. But what's not really at dispute is a lot of what we're seeing in these meetings. And when we talked to administration officials frequently, there was not a difference over what was happening. There was a difference in caste. So, for example, in the debt ceiling conversation, if Biden had a loose command of detail, well, that was because the principal is supposed to be above the fray. He's not supposed to be engaged. If in the January 17 meeting, the president, for example, is standing back, letting lawmakers do the talking, well, that's just because that's an appropriate way to run a meeting to give somebody else a chance to have their say. So there's not a dispute about the basic facts here.

David Pakman
There were disputes about whether people could hear him.

Joe Scarborough
Right.

Breonna Keillor
Well, it's fine if you say you want to hear him, but the overwhelming evidence that we gathered is that many, many people did have trouble hearing him. And on balance, we felt it was important to put that in the story.

David Pakman
Very, very shaky interview with Siobhan Hughes here and Joe Scarborough on MSNBC, basically saying, and again, Joe Scarborough, former republican congressman, saying, this really sounds like B's.

Michael Johnson
With House Republicans to lift the debt ceiling. His demeanor and command of the details seemed to shift from one day to the next, according to then House Speaker Kevin McCarthy.

Joe Scarborough
By the way, they also quoted Michael Johnson, people around Mike Johnson, and admit.

David Pakman
That this was basically House Republicans whacking.

Michael Johnson
Why didn't they just ask Marjorie Taylor Green exactly.

Joe Scarborough
Why didn't, yeah, they could have.

David Pakman
Lauren Boebert it's really shocking, especially when.

Joe Scarborough
You see what Kevin McCarthy has said repeatedly, publicly and behind the scenes about Biden on those same days when they were negotiating.

Michael Johnson
The strong feelings you're seeing about this article comes also because the context of this race and these two candidates. It's interesting. That's all I'll say anyhow. That flies in the face of what McCarthy said about Biden's effectiveness in the past from Politico last year. Quote, McCarthy mocked Biden's age and mental acuity in public, in public, like he did in this article, while privately telling allies that he found the president sharp and substantive in their conversations.

David Pakman
So listen, here's my thought on this.

The story was a big story and it was worthy of discussion. We now are realizing the sourcing is essentially just weaponized hardcore Republicans who have an interest in seeing Joe Biden lose as the race is slipping away from Trump based on new post conviction polling, which we will discuss later. What I can go by, given that these are behind the scenes reports over which the facts are in dispute. One side says one thing, the other side says another thing. What I have to go by is what we see publicly, what the mental health professionals and neurology, Alzheimer's and dementia professionals that we've interviewed have to go by is what we see publicly. This article is about things supposedly happening behind closed doors over which there is dispute. So what can we do? We can only look at what there is publicly. And at the end of the day, even if it were true that both Trump and Biden had some form of dementia, which at this point is not in evidence, but even if it were true, I want demented Biden's staff running the country, rather than demented Trump staff running the country. So in a sense, it's sort of irrelevant for voting purposes. But it is very difficult to take this sort story seriously at this point. It kind of seems to be the new Hillary Parkinson's story. Now, some of you might say, wait, Hillary Parkinson's? David, what are you talking about? In 2016, there was a similar movement that insisted Hillary Clinton has Parkinson's. There was some video where she was getting into a car and she, I don't even remember, she did something weird, and it was being looked at frame by frame, like the Zapruder film, and some people on the right saying she clearly has Parkinson's, we're going to find out about it.

Uh, if you've seen recent videos of Hillary Clinton now, eight years later, you can very clearly tell that nothing parkinsonian is going on. This seems to be the latest version of that, based on everything I'm seeing right now. Let me know whether the last 24 hours of criticism changes your view at all on the Biden story. Maybe it doesn't because you never believed it. We will discuss it. We'll take a very quick break and be back right after this. One of our sponsors today is better help. We all carry around different stressors, big and small. Therapy is a safe space to get things off your chest and figure out how to work through whatever is weighing you down. If you're thinking of starting therapy, give better help a try. It's entirely online, designed to be convenient, flexible, suited to your schedule. Betterhelp lets you tap into a network of over 35,000 licensed, experienced therapists who can help you with a wide range of issues. Just fill out a brief questionnaire, get matched with a licensed therapist, and switch therapists anytime for no additional charge. With betterhelp, you get the same professionalism and quality you expect from in office therapy, but on your schedule and from wherever you are. Visit betterhelp.com Pacman show today to get 10% off your first month.

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I'm almost confused as to how to introduce it. Trump referring to recording a number of videos yesterday during which he seemed unable to speak. Some of you may remember his and God bless the United shech moment during his presidency, during which something weird happened with his mouth. It happened again yesterday. Foamy saliva is flying out of this guy's mouth. Take a look at this, and if you're only listening, I apologize that there's a strong visual component, but you will hear Trump's voice altered, and we will.

Joe Scarborough
Take back our country on November 5, 2024 on November 5 20 242-024-2024 Trump.

David Pakman
Foaming at the mouth.

What is happening here? And his campaign could have chosen to refilm this stuff rather than to put out these bizarre videos where there is just he, he's foaming at the mouth, folks, and can barely speak. And we're supposed to believe that this is normal. Now, of course, there's a number of medical conditions that can cause this. Everything as simple as dry mouth, an oral infection, acid reflux, certain meds, something called your yogurt syndrome, diabetes, liver or kidney disease. And then Trump continuing to visibly struggle to speak. Here is Trump spitting while telling his followers to vote for him. And again, it's that same thing where he's struggling to speak, almost like his tongue is fighting his mouth. Very, very strange and scary stuff.

Joe Scarborough
Many Republicans like to vote on election days. Like to vote on election days. Like to vote, like to vote, like to vote.

David Pakman
And as you can see there, stuff just flying out of Trump's mouth. There it goes.

Some conflicting reports as to whether that is actually a tonsil stone.

And, and listen, something is up with this guy. And why not just reshoot the video? It doesn't make any sense. One more, slightly more substantive video from Trump over the last 24 hours. Here he is wearing a different tie saying that if Trump becomes president, Putin will release the Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich, whereas if Biden wins, Putin will not release Gershkovich. I don't know that there's any evidence of this.

Joe Scarborough
Gurshkovich, the reporter for the Wall Street Journal who is being held by Russia, will be released almost immediately after the election, but definitely before I assume office.

He will be home. He'll be safe. Vladimir Putin, president of Russia, will do that for me. And I don't believe he'll do it for anyone else.

David Pakman
And as you can see there, some very strategic cuts in the video, a 22nd clip which Trump needed at least three takes to do. And that's why you see those dramatic and abrupt cuts back and forth from Trump.

Very strange videos over the last 24 hours. Trump needing edits to get through 20 seconds, foaming at the mouth, spitting or sending tonsil stones flying. I don't know what to tell you. It unfortunately did not get any better for him last night on Fox News with Sean Hannity. And that's what I want to talk about next. Yesterday, Donald Trump appeared in an interview with Fox News propagandist Sean Hannity. This is supposed to be a softball interview. It's supposed to be easy. It's supposed to make Trump look good. Trump and Hannity are friends to the extent Trump can have friends, or as Nikki Haley likes to say, Trump is my friend.

And as friendly as it was, as friendly as it was, Trump seemed confused.

He would answer questions that were not asked. And at one point, Trump said that the only global warming that matters to him is nuclear global warming.

Joe Scarborough
What the other night about that nuclear doesn't matter so much. What matters is think of this global warming. The only global warming that matters to me is nuclear global warming because that's the real deal.

David Pakman
He's completely confused. He's looking around, disoriented, deer in the headlights, looking at the middle distance, begging Hannity to save him. He doesn't know what he, he is saying.

Trump brought up, or Hannity brought up the issue of people saying Trump is going to get revenge. He's going for retribution if he becomes president. And Trump doesn't deny it. He says, I have every right to go after them. If you have any doubt as to what this guy plans to do, this 23 2nd clip should eliminate any trace of that doubt.

Joe Scarborough
Those that want people to believe that you want retribution, that you will use the system of justice to go after your political enemy. So, number one, they're wrong. It has to stop because otherwise we're not going to have a country. Look, when this election is over, based on what they've done, I would have every right to go after them.

David Pakman
So that's how it starts. We have to stop it. But I have every right. And in other venues, I'm saying I'm going to do it here, I'm taking a cue from HanNity that I should deny I'm going to do it, but by the way, I would have every right to do it. TRuMp very lost and very confused at another point during the interview to the point where Hannity has to say, let's actually maintain focus on one topic for a second here.

Joe Scarborough
Let me go back to the phone. You say a lot of things about it, but it's, whatever I say about.

David Pakman
It, it's real bad.

Joe Scarborough
But let me stay focused for just a second, if I may.

David Pakman
Hannity's struggling, Hannity struggling to even keep Trump on one topic. And then this is where it really got weird. And women and anyone who knows a woman should pay very close attention to this part. Trump says in a way, it's a beautiful thing to see. States pass abortion bans that can even force teenage rape survivors to give birth. Trump says the entire way it's all working out is a beautiful thing, and.

Joe Scarborough
In many ways, it's a beautiful thing to watch. So they wanted to, for 52 years, move it back to the States. That's why they wanted to fight Roe v. Wade. Then about ten or twelve years ago, it started getting more complex. They were talking about, this should be.

David Pakman
Shocking and appalling to people, not as Democrats, not as Republicans, not as independents, not as foreign observers of what's happening in the United States. At a basic human level, this should decide disgust all of us. Certainly disgusts me. At another point during the interview, Trump praising the usual suspects, Putin, Kim Jong un, Xi, saying, these are individuals at the top of their game.

Joe Scarborough
President Xi of China, Putin, Kim Jong un, all of these leaders are at the top of their game. Mentally, they're at the top of their game.

David Pakman
So it doesn't matter whether it's to attack Joe Biden or to cheer on their strength. It is always the usual suspects, the dictators, the authoritarians, the autocrats. And this is who Trump aspires to be.

Trump getting confused about climate and weather at another point during the interview, and again, he gets that sort of lost.

Joe Scarborough
Look on his face, he said it's an existential threat. He loves the words existential threat, that global warming is an existential threat, and he doesn't know why.

What is it? It's weather.

And I'm all for that. You know what? I'm in a certain way, in a very powerful way, I'm an environmentalist.

David Pakman
Yeah. In a very powerful way. Trump's an environmentalist. And then lastly, and hilariously, Hannity says to Trump, you know, you didn't have to do this. You could just be playing golf every day, which is so funny because Trump is playing golf mostly every day.

Joe Scarborough
You don't have to be doing this. You could be playing golf every day and you probably wouldn't be charged with anything. Well, I think I say in about almost all of these cases that are brought against me, they are doing it for the purposes of hurting a political opponent.

David Pakman
Yeah, of course, it's not. Trump could be golfing every day. He does spend most days golfing in Florida. So really wild. When you have a friendly interview that's supposed to be no sweat, no big deal. And Trump's disoriented. He says it's beautiful to see states ban abortion altogether. It doesn't seem like most of the country agrees with that. And at the end of the day, this is going to really be a referendum on, it's going to be a referendum on a lot of things. But to a great degree, it's a referendum on Biden. How do we think the country is doing at the bottom line? But it will also be a referendum on everything that Trump has been up to since finally leaving office some number of years ago. I'm not seeing the polling that says people are pleased with what he's been up to. All right, I want to do just one more clip from this wacky Fox and Friends interview of the failed former president, convicted felon Donald Trump. This is just wild. They ask Trump, how do you pray?

Do you do it in the morning or at night or, you know, how do you pray?

And Trump responds by saying, people pray for him.

And he does one of the sir stories.

It would almost be unbelievable that this is how he answers the question, except we have the video.

Breonna Keillor
What's your relationship with God like and.

Siobhan Hughes
How do you pray?

David Pakman
That's Sharon from Alabama.

Joe Scarborough
Okay. So I think it's good. I do very well with the evangelicals. I love the evangelicals.

And I have more people saying they pray for me, sir, I can't even believe it. And they are so committed and they're so, they're so believing.

They say, sir, you're going to be okay. I pray for you every night. I mean, everybody almost, I can't say everybody, but almost everybody that sees me, they say it. It's such a beautiful thing. You know what's a beautiful thing, too? When you look at all of this bad stuff going on, they have nothing to look up to. They have no God. They have no anything.

David Pakman
Remember, Trump's not religious. This is all a farce.

Joe Scarborough
They kill people, they beat people, they push people into subways. They, so there's just nothing there.

David Pakman
And of course, Trump did not answer the question. The question has, was, what's your relationship with God and how do you pray? And he says, oh, evangelicals like me. And most people are coming up to me on the street saying, sir, I'm praying for you and you are going to be fine. You didn't miss the answer. There is no answer. And this happens every time Trump is asked about his religion. He doesn't want to talk about it. What's your favorite Bible verse? Oh, I don't want to talk about that. No. It's very, very personal. Okay. How do you pray? Well, people pray for me.

He doesn't answer it because he has no answer because this entire thing is just fabricated. And it has worked. The evangelicals have fallen for it. Will they fall for it again in November?

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Actually, Amy Klobuchar seat. Interestingly enough, Royce has been endorsed by Steve Bannon and Alex Jones in the Minnesota Republican party.

Also hosts the Please call me Crazy podcast available on YouTube. Royce, if I understand correctly, in 2020, you wrote in Tulsi Gabbard and. But you're behind Trump currently, is that right?

Royce White
That is correct.

David Pakman
So, listen, you came to my attention in a clip I talked about the other day where you said what one of the issues you find right now is that women have become, quote, too mouthy. Tell me about that. How did you come to believe that?

Royce White
Well, first of all, I was being humorous.

David Pakman
Oh, you were?

Royce White
Yeah, no, I was being pretty humorous.

I'm kind of a sick puppy. I got a sort of, you know, unique humor. But I will say that, you know, it is, it is my opinion, but I think even more so a fact that the left has weaponized identity politics and in our current political culture, and that the identities of, of women, the LGBTQ blacks and Jews are all sort of used in a similar fashion to manufacture consent, that being an american citizen isn't so much that important anymore. And so what?

David Pakman
I'm gimme an example of that. So let's just pick one of those, for example.

Royce White
Well, let's take all. Let's take all four, because they're all four fruit from the same poisonous tree.

David Pakman
Well, but just so that it's clear to the audience, just pick one as an example to show kind of your line of reasoning. How has female identity been weaponized in order to show that being an american citizen isn't important?

Royce White
Well, number one, the feminist movement and the women's rights movement have been clumped into a more global, citizen based ideology that we are all one global citizenship.

And the women's rights movement is at the helm of that much by their own powerful organization, grassroots, not only here in the country, but all around the world.

David Pakman
If that were the case, though, Royce. And I'm just trying to understand this. I want this to be a conversation.

Royce White
But wait a second. Wait a second. What I was. What I'm saying is, let me. Let me be even more specific.

David Pakman
Yeah.

Royce White
The prevailing consensus around the women's rights movement and the feminist movement are ideas such as, believe all women. That was popular with the me too movement. And then you have, you know, an even more pervasive idea that in general, and it's, it's said casually, but it said with a lot of emphasis and potency, let's say that men are not useful and that, that women are. The women in their existence in this country politically, right now, today, but sort of all around the world, are nothing more than a byproduct of a tyrannical patriarchy. And by that definition or by that thinking that, that men are more so a hindrance on society and useful.

David Pakman
Give me a. Who says men aren't useful? Give me a name.

Royce White
Well, I mean, for one, is Anna Navarro, self described republican centrist Anna Navarro.

David Pakman
Navarro says that men aren't useful.

Royce White
Anna Navarro sat right up there on the view with Joy Behard and Whoopi Goldberg and the rest of them. And she made a joke about men not being useful, except for gay men, because they're very good at gossip and accessorizing.

David Pakman
But this interview with you saying, oh, what you said about women being mouthy is a joke. You're conceding what Ana Navarro said is a joke, and so you're one example.

Royce White
Well, no, I don't think it's a joke. I don't know. I don't think it's a joke.

David Pakman
Hold on, hold on.

Royce White
You know, wait a second. Let's. Let's be clear. No, no, I didn't. I said, what I said was said in humor, but it had a lot of validity to it. I don't think what an Avaro said was a joke, even though it was said in a joking setting.

David Pakman
How do you know it wasn't a joke then?

Royce White
No, I said, I don't think it's a joke.

David Pakman
Okay.

Royce White
Just like people would say they don't think what I said is a joke. I have the right to think that. My point is, is that there is a growing ideology that you can see by looking at social media, which is a. Is a good temperature gauge of what people think, obviously, because you're bringing up something I said that was posted on social media.

David Pakman
Well, I don't want to get bogged down in this necessarily, but it sounds. Roy.

Royce White
No, it's not bogged down. It's important detail.

David Pakman
It sounds like your one detail of the prevailing view of the feminist movement being men aren't useful is something Anna Navarro said jokingly. Speaker one.

Royce White
No, no, no.

Nana Navarro, just like you're trying to represent my views, or let's not say you. Let's say the mainstream media has tried to represent my view about women in general based on one soundbite from one podcast as a general sort of.

David Pakman
Yeah, but forget about that, Royce.

Royce White
No, no. Let's not forget about it. No, no, no. Let's not forget about it. If you're going to keep interrupting me, then. Then I'm going to keep interrupting you. What I'm saying is going nowhere. The mainstream media. No, you're saying it's not going anywhere. I'm explaining it perfectly. Fine. The mainstream media is trying to depict or paint a picture of a rising, let's say, misogynist America first movement based on my one soundbite. But then you turn around and say, well, you can't talk about all feminist ideology based on Ana Navarro. What are we talking about? I'm not doing that.

David Pakman
Reframe now. Let's see if we can reframe Royce, and then we'll move on.

You've sort of been leading this. Okay. You identified a number of groups. Hold on a second. Hold on. Let me just get the question out. And then if you disagree with the question, then the audience can judge for themselves. Speaker one, you indicated a number of groups. You named women and you named Jews and you named others.

In the LGBTQ, being an american citizen is no longer super important.

Royce White
We focused women, the LGBTQ and Jews. I want to be clear.

Don't say. In other groups. Don't say. And other groups. The four groups were blacks, the LGBTQ, women and Jews.

David Pakman
Yes. We focused in on women.

Royce White
Yes.

David Pakman
And I asked you for examples, and the one example that you have provided to justify the claim you made is something Anna Navarro said on the view.

Royce White
No, just an example.

David Pakman
Well, give me another example. Who are the people saying that men are not useful?

Royce White
Oh, well, it's. It's. They're not. Well, that just happened to be what Anna Navarro said specifically. But you said that the ideology. Who says the ideology is that men represent the remnant of a tyrannical patriarchy. And by default, the usefulness of men is in question at a societal wide basis.

David Pakman
Okay, I don't want to use all our time on this, but it sounds like we're not going to get any more examples. And the audience can kind of judge that for themselves.

Royce White
You can pick any. You can pick anybody you want. The whole me to movement was based on the claim that we should believe all women. Do you think we should believe all women?

David Pakman
Well, that. That we've already talked about. It's a completely different question. And it has to do with.

Royce White
No, it's not.

No, no, wait, wait. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second.

David Pakman
Has nothing whatever.

Royce White
Wait a second. It's not a different question. It's not a different question at all. It certainly does. Because there are fundamental rights of being an american citizen, one of which has always been the presumption of innocence, number one. So there is. There is complete merit to bring it into question. When we talk about american citizenship, Royce.

David Pakman
You understand that when police investigate crimes, they investigate crimes. But that doesn't take away the presumption of innocence in a court of law. Like, this is basic legal stuff, Royce.

Royce White
No, no, no. It takes away the presumption of innocence in the court of public opinion.

David Pakman
This is crazy. Speaker one.

Royce White
It takes away the presumption of innocence in the court of public opinion, which now, in today's world, can be just as dangerous as the opinion in the court of law.

David Pakman
And even further claims are 0.02% of.

Royce White
Sexual assault claims, according to you. According to you.

David Pakman
According to crime reporting from police departments all over the country.

Royce White
Speaker two, according to, according to you. And the police departments, according to you, then why don't they bring more claims?

David Pakman
Who?

Royce White
Why don't more make it to the courtroom?

David Pakman
What claims?

Royce White
They lack evidence.

The reason. The reason why police departments say, first of all, again, you're trying to sidetrack me, and you keep interrupting me. You brought me on your show.

You brought me on your show. You brought me on your show. And we're not asking about a question about women. I'm answering a question about feminists in the feminist movement.

David Pakman
You.

Royce White
The point is, is when you. When you. When you.

When you assume that all women are telling the truth or that we should believe all women on face value by.

David Pakman
Default, I don't know anyone who is.

Royce White
The whole movement of the whole me too movement was based on this idea that believe all women.

David Pakman
That's your assertion. I don't believe that to be true.

Royce White
Oh, okay. Well, you let your viewers decide then. Let's go to the next question.

David Pakman
Trust but verify is the view that I've always had.

Royce White
Believe all women was the. Believe all women was the commercial. Widespread commercial. Believe all women was the widespread commercial and cultural sentiment from the me too movement. 150,000%.

David Pakman
You know, Royce, you sidetracked us on believe all women. Right. You brought it up out of nowhere.

Royce White
The believe all women idea is a part of the claim that women have become mouthy.

David Pakman
Okay, let me ask about a couple of.

Royce White
And I will say.

I will say in that vein. Yeah, when women.

When women are allowed to say things about men with no boundaries or no constraints whatsoever, and it's culturally accepted across american culture and across political culture, that is, in my opinion, more than a valid reason to be able to say, hey, women are getting out of control. And I do think radical feminists are getting out of control. I should have been more specific.

David Pakman
I get that you think women are out of control. I got it.

Royce White
No, no, no. I said radical feminists are out of control. Be clear. And they are. That's why they're bringing their children to drag stripper shows.

David Pakman
Let me ask about a couple.

Royce White
Do you think that's okay? Do you think it's okay to sexualize children at drag stripper shows?

David Pakman
I don't think the children are being sexualized. If they go to us to a drag show. No, I just don't think that that's the sexualization.

Royce White
You don't think that you don't think children are being. Would it be okay for me, as a grown adult male, to take underage kids to a regular strip club?

David Pakman
I don't think they're allowed. No.

Royce White
So why are they allowed to do it? But why aren't they allowed, Royce, why aren't they allowed? Is it because of the alcohol or because of the sexualization?

David Pakman
I don't know the laws around strip clubs. I couldn't tell you.

Royce White
Maybe you should learn them, though, because you're talking about drag shows. You have an opinion about the drag shows, and you say, that's completely fine, Royce, you brought them, but you have an opinion about.

David Pakman
I'm going to have to mute you, Royce, I'm going to have to mute you.

Royce White
Okay.

David Pakman
You're bringing up topics and then telling me I brought them up. This isn't going to be interviewed as.

Royce White
A. I didn't say that. I didn't say you brought it up. I said you had an opinion.

David Pakman
You told me I brought up believe all women and that I brought up drag shows. No, I did.

Royce White
No, I did not say that. They'll be able to watch it back and say well, themselves how they went. I didn't bring, I didn't say you brought it up. I brought it up. I'm going to bring up every topic I want to bring up. Oh, so you white liberals are not going to tell you. Yeah, I brought up the feminist movement and I brought up the drag stripper shows as an.

David Pakman
Continue the interview for sure. Okay. You brought up strip clubs. It was recently revealed you spent campaign donations at a strip club. Is that true?

Royce White
That's not true.

David Pakman
Okay. It's been sourced very well by the Daily Beast where they.

Royce White
Speaker three, the Daily Beast. First of all, the Daily Beast is not a good source. That's number one. But number two, it wasn't well sourced, even in that, that article at all. It was a reference to a campaign filing FEC that was not done properly.

David Pakman
You who didn't do the filing properly?

Royce White
Whoever was in charge of the filing.

David Pakman
And who was that?

Royce White
Well, there were a number of people, I was assuming, who were in charge of getting that accounting done, but it wasn't.

David Pakman
You don't know who the people are doing your account?

Royce White
Oh, yeah, I know. Exactly. I know who they are. Do you want me to list the entire list of people who worked on it?

David Pakman
Yeah.

Royce White
So you have time for me to go through a list of people who worked on the filing, but you don't have time to talk about the details of the political issues you wanted to.

David Pakman
Well, how many people is it?

Royce White
Give me a break. Who do you think you. Who do you people think you're fooling? I don't think we're fooling any people think you're fooling.

David Pakman
So the people who.

Royce White
I answered your question. I answered the question. The question is no.

David Pakman
The people.

Royce White
The answer is no.

The answer to your question is no.

David Pakman
I haven't even asked the question yet.

Royce White
You did. You asked, did I spend campaign finance money on strippers?

David Pakman
And you responded, and now I want to ask a follow up.

Royce White
Okay.

David Pakman
Your claim is there were filings which said you spent campaign funds at a strip club, but they were inclined.

Royce White
No, they didn't say that I spent the funds at a strip club or. No, let's say they didn't say that I spent the funds on strippers, but.

David Pakman
It was spent at a strip club.

Royce White
Well, strip club has. They sell food at the strip club. Don't.

David Pakman
So you were having. You've spent the money on food at a strip club. Is that more accurate?

Royce White
You seem to be very unfamiliar with strippers and strip clubs and drag strip shows, so I'll inform you. Maybe you aren't informed that they do have food at strip clubs.

David Pakman
So what you're saying is the money was.

Royce White
Did you know that?

David Pakman
I know strip clubs.

Royce White
Have you ever been to a strip club?

David Pakman
One time.

Royce White
Did you like the food?

David Pakman
No.

Royce White
You got to go to better strip clubs.

David Pakman
Okay, but so what you're saying is you did spend the money at strip clubs, but on food. Is that right?

Royce White
Well, I'm not saying that I spent the money. I'm saying that there was a filing on my FEC report that shouldn't have been there and potentially should have been reimbursed by somebody who may have been at the strip club, but that there is food at the strip club. So to say it was spent on strippers is not based on factual evidence.

David Pakman
I didn't say that.

Royce White
Especially not from the day that you did.

David Pakman
I said it's strip club, not strippers.

Royce White
Well, okay, well. Which is by the Daily Beast.

David Pakman
It's the same thing you're saying. Right. So we.

Royce White
That's what's been implied by the Daily and other people as well.

David Pakman
Strip club by someone else in your campaign on.

Royce White
That's what's been. That's what's been implied by the Daily Beast and other mainstream media outlets.

David Pakman
And what's the truth?

I just told you someone else bought food at a strip.

Royce White
No, I told you about the FEC filing. You seem to have a lot of time for this one.

David Pakman
Well, it's because you're so obviously lying.

Royce White
Oh, oh, okay. I'm so obviously lying.

David Pakman
Yeah. Just tell me the truth. So did a staffer spend money on food at a strip club?

Royce White
You white liberal. You white liberals have a lot of nerve.

That's how you white liberals.

David Pakman
Hold on.

Royce White
You white liberals hate when black men vote Republican. You hate when black men say that they like being american citizens. You hate when black men say that we want to have a border. You hate when black men say, stop sending our money to the Ukraine, and you go to the WWE politics to try and defend your latent racism. That's.

David Pakman
Hold on a second, Royce. Hold on a second, Royce, aren't you against identity politics?

Royce White
Absolutely.

David Pakman
So what are you talking about white liberals for? Especially when I'm a hispanic jewish immigrant from Argentina.

Royce White
Right, but you have a white liberal ideology. That's what.

David Pakman
You know. That's something different. All right, Royce, listen. When. When you start hurling around like that, you do. We do have to end.

Royce White
You have a post world war two, democratic liberal order, white liberal ideology.

David Pakman
All right. The man who denounces identity politics is playing identity politics.

I really appreciate you being.

Royce White
Your latent. Racism is obvious. Make sure you post the interview. Don't be a coward. And be free to. Feel free to have me back on anytime so we can talk in detail where you don't cut me off. I like this kind of stuff.

David Pakman
You people, I can assure you, people.

Royce White
Hope that every black Republican or black America first that shows up is going to kowtow and sort of, you know, curl up and. And run into the corner when you cut people off. That's. That don't bother me, Royce. I can assure you women have gotten. Women have.

This country have certainly gotten way beyond the pale in terms of their ideology. 100,000%.

David Pakman
You have my word.

Royce White
You think it's okay to take little kids to drag stripper shows, but you don't think it's okay for grown men to get the chicken wings from strip clubs? Roy, you don't think that that's weird?

David Pakman
It's. It sounds like a campaign finance violation. It's not my opinion, but. Royce, we gotta end the.

Royce White
You can get food for donors. You can get food for donors from anywhere in the country you want.

David Pakman
We gotta end the.

Royce White
I could cater from Mister Chow's, or I could get chicken wings from a strip club. That doesn't matter. But you want to take little kids to strip clubs. Drag strip clubs. All right, that's okay.

David Pakman
Best of luck with the campaign. Okay.

Royce White
God speed to you.

David Pakman
All right.

Royce White
Don't be a coward.

David Pakman
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So let me tell you what went on. Associated Press reports Republicans block bill to protect contraception access as Democrats make election year push, Senate Republicans have blocked legislation designed to protect women's access to contraception, arguing the bill was just a political stunt as Democrats mount an election year effort to put republican senators on the record on reproductive rights issues. The test vote won a 5139 majority, but that was well short of the 60 votes required to move ahead on the legislation. So in comes Tim Scott, desperate to be Donald Trump's vice president. He's asked by Bret Baier, why did you vote against this? He has absolutely no idea. He has no clue why he voted against it.

Joe Scarborough
Why does he do that? Vote today on contraception?

Tim Scott
The polls are clear that they are losing this November election. The day of reckoning is November 5 of this year. Year. They're doing anything they can to try to demonize the Republicans.

David Pakman
No answer.

Absolutely no answer. Here is more context with Tim Scott on the same thing, and he gets more space to explain this vote. He has no idea what is going on.

Joe Scarborough
This vote right to Contraception act failed in the Senate today. We had to get 60 to get past the procedural hurdle, 39 nays. You were one of the nays.

Royce White
Yes.

Joe Scarborough
So for folks who, why vote nay and explain how that's not a bad issue for Republicans.

Tim Scott
Speaker one yeah, this is just a.

David Pakman
Shame that the, isn't this another one of these losing issues for you guys, like getting Roe v. Wade overturned? Isn't this a political disaster?

Tim Scott
Democrats are willing to try to politicize whether or not women have access to contraceptions. The bottom line is the absolute I.

David Pakman
Like that when he calls them contraceptions.

Royce White
Do.

Tim Scott
And that will continue. The question is why Democrats continue to take the most extreme position on abortion in the country. All the Senate Democrats have voted, not talked about, but voted for abortion up until the day of birth. The former Virginia governor, Democrat, pediatrician.

David Pakman
Here we go.

Tim Scott
Has suggested even infanticide.

David Pakman
This is one of the most disgusting lies that these Republicans have no shame in repeating. That Democrats and this Virginia story, it's about post birth abortion, which isn't even a thing. It's not.

The term is an impossible term. It's totally fabricated. It would be called murder. But they continue to repeat it with a straight face.

Tim Scott
I'm not making this up, Brett. These are votes taken in our chamber that tells me very clearly they're doing every single thing they can to hide from their own voting record. This is an issue that we should continue to push because this is an issue where the american people say, wait, abortion up until the day of birth.

David Pakman
Remember that? The question was, why did you vote against the bill to guarantee access to contraception?

And he's talking about made up, but post birth abortion, that's wrong.

Tim Scott
Infanticide, allowing a child to be born and then letting it die, that's un american. And so when you hear what Chief.

David Pakman
Schumer suggests, most Democrats are in that space.

Joe Scarborough
Why does he do that? Vote today on contraception?

Tim Scott
They are, the polls are clear.

David Pakman
And then this is where we picked up the first clip earlier. These are losing issues for Republicans. These are truly losing issues. And typically, I would say, I don't care whether it's Democrats or Republicans putting forth these symbolic votes to get people on the record, it's often a waste of time, but not always. And when it is so abundantly clear that the republican party has lost the american people on these issues of reproductive rights and bodily autonomy and medical privacy, it's so obvious it actually makes sense to get them on the record. And the undoing of Republicans. I mean, listen, Trump's convictions aren't helping.

The January 6 riots didn't help. The forthcoming criminal trials don't help. None of it is helping Republicans in the context of November's election.

But if they really want to make this about we celebrate the overturning of Roe v. Wade, we believe it's a beautiful thing, as Trump said to Hannity last night, that some states are completely banning abortion and trying to ban access to contraception. If Tim Scott is saying, oh, yeah, of course I would vote against such a bill guaranteeing access to contraceptions, as he calls them, plural. If this is that what they're comfortable running on, by all means, run on it. Because it is a abs. It's an absolute disaster and it's a self inflicted one. I don't see how they win. If the November election becomes a referendum on reproductive rights and medical privacy, I just don't see it. If they can get away from that, then maybe they have a shot. But if this is what they're running on, it is going to be a major failure. After years of saying absentee voting, mail in voting, and early voting is a fraud. It is rigged. It's a scam.

Donald Trump, in a panic, has completely reversed. He's done a 180 where now he is begging people, vote early, vote absentee, vote by mail, vote by smoke signals, if they'll let you do it. Because he realizes, as he should have realized four years ago, it's not a good idea to tell people only vote on election day when many people have work schedules that don't allow that. Some people have mobility issues or transportation issues or family issues that don't allow that. It's a bad idea to tell people only vote one of the four ways you can vote. So Donald Trump putting out a statement on troth Central where he says, quote, today we launched swamp the Vote USA.

Joe Scarborough
Truth central, right?

David Pakman
Whether you vote absentee, by mail, early, in person, or on election day, we will secure your vote. Just vote. They are all good options. The way to win is to swamp them with votes. This is a very, very different perspective than what Trump presented in 2020. Even Fox News, acknowledging Trump flips his 2020 stance, launches absentee ballot and early voting push in urging early voting. In his 2024 election rematch with Biden, Trump vows he'll make sure your ballot is secure. So now it's a different story. Now it's, listen, you were right in 2020 to only vote in person because we didn't secure your vote in 2020. There were sandwiches being transported by vans that were supposed to transport ballots. And some of the ballots had bamboo fibers, which means they came from China or something. And there were machines that were this and that and the other thing. And who the hell knows? It's all different now. It's all safe now. You can vote by mail. You can vote early. You can vote absentee. Why? Because Trump has launched an organization or something called Swamp the Vote USA. This is desperation.

This is flat out desperation.

We see the polling continue to shift, post conviction, the wrong direction for Trump. We remind ourselves he lost in 2020. He needs to take states from Biden, which states is he going to take? It's not really clear. So he needs something and this is what he is doing. And the most important thing to remember is that it is all Trump just using everybody and every system as a political tool for his own benefit. In 2020, he thought he would benefit from saying, don't vote early, don't vote by mail, let's block it if we can, because it's democrats with COVID masks who want to stay home and vote. He thought it would be bad to have early voting. Now all of a sudden he's realizing, wait a second, of course all that early voting is legal. Of course all these changes that were made are legal now. This is just part of the way that we vote in most states. If I tell my followers not to do any of those things, I'm just shooting myself in the foot. So now I need to tell them, vote however you can. None of this is based on any underlying principle. None of this is undergirded by any factual basis of what sort of votes are or aren't secure. And I think it's worth adding that the ways in which Trump wants to secure voting includes sending people to intimidate voters at the polls, trying to close down certain early voting places that are disproportionately expected to have democratic voters, purging voter rolls. All of the things that we've been talking about for a really long time, that's the plan.

That's what he wants to do. It's all about what's good for him. All we have to do. We already knew that we had secure elections in the United States. All we have to do is vote. However it is that our state allows us to vote. That's convenient for us and then we'll see what, where the results land in November. We have a voicemail number. That number is 2192. David P. Here's a caller who picked up on some very specific language I've been using when talking about Lauren Bober.

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David Pakman
Ok. Do people in the, when I refer to the stiff competition that Lauren Boebert needs to beat off in order to win.

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