6/12/24: Hunter Biden convicted, Trump suffers brutal polling blow

This episode focuses on the conviction of Hunter Biden on gun charges and its implications, juxtaposed with the ongoing political and legal troubles of former President Donald Trump, highlighting the perceived inconsistencies in the justice system.

1. Hunter Biden was convicted on three felony gun charges, which presents complex legal and political challenges.
2. Despite the conviction, Joe Biden has maintained a hands-off approach, emphasizing the rule of law and not intervening in the judicial process.
3. The episode highlights a stark contrast in how justice is perceived and portrayed in cases involving Hunter Biden versus Donald Trump.
4. Media and political figures' reactions underscore ongoing polarization and bias in the American political landscape.
5. The discussion extends to broader issues of justice and accountability in political families, touching on national security concerns and public trust.

1: Introduction

David Pakman introduces the episode's main topics, focusing on Hunter Biden's conviction and its implications. He sets the stage for a detailed analysis of the legal proceedings and political fallout. David Pakman: "Welcome, everybody. Big announcement about the future of the David Pakman show coming at the end of today's episode. But major, major news."

2: The Conviction and Its Context

Pakman delves into the details of Hunter Biden's charges, the judicial process, and the potential sentences, comparing it to Donald Trump's legal issues. David Pakman: "Hunter Biden's conviction on three felony gun related charges presents complicated legal and political challenges for his father, Joe Biden."

3: Political Reactions and Media Coverage

This chapter discusses the reactions from various political figures and media, highlighting the hypocrisy and conspiracy theories surrounding the convictions of Hunter Biden and Donald Trump. David Pakman: "The new position is that this was all a nonsense, minimal charge against Hunter Biden to make it look as though the system is actually going after people in a bipartisan way."

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-- On the Show:

-- A supposedly "rigged trial" finds Hunter Biden guilty on all charges, and not surprisingly, it doesn't satisfy any of MAGA

-- Unlike what Donald Trump would obviously do if his son were convicted of a crime, President Joe Biden makes it clear that he will not pardon his son Hunter after his convictions

-- Comparing Fox News' reaction to Donald Trump's guilty verdict to their reaction to Hunter Biden's guilty verdict

-- Anchors from Sinclair stations across the country get caught reading the same script about the now-debunked Wall Street Journal article about President Joe Biden's brain

-- Donald Trump's incoherence at rallies goes mainstream, becoming a topic of discussion among PBS and NPR reporters

-- Donald Trump suffers a quadruple polling blow in new polling

-- President Joe Biden takes a stunning lead over Donald Trump among young voters

-- A Republican district in Ohio shifts more than 20 points away from Republicans and toward Democrats

-- David announces the end of the David Pakman Show radio and television show and explains the future of the program overall

-- Voicemail caller needs help dealing with his horrible MAGA in-laws

-- On the Bonus Show: Trump's plan to shake up US foreign policy in a second term, Biden administration announces plan to remove medical debt from credit reports, Connecticut town will pay to settle lawsuit over Kendrick Lamar video shown in school, much more...

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David Pakman
Welcome, everybody. Big announcement about the future of the David Pakman show coming at the end of today's episode. But major, major news.

Despite Joe Biden rigging the justice system against his political enemies and in favor of his friends and family, Hunter Biden has been convicted on gun charges and now we'll face sentencing. Now, I'll be totally honest, I wasn't even going to talk about this. I jokingly tweeted, now that Hunter Biden has been convicted, I definitely won't be voting for him in November. And of course, it's like, what bearing does this have on Joe Biden, particularly since Joe Biden is not intervening or getting involved in any way. But in fact, there is a really newsworthy story here in the context of Trump facing criminal charges and having been convicted already.

And that story is the complete and utter hypocrisy. What about ism, special pleading and conspiracy theorizing? That is just everywhere around the Hunter Biden conviction? So let's take it step by step. Why not we start with the Politico report. Will Hunter Biden go to prison? Here's what happens next after his conviction. And it lays out in very clear detail, Hunter Biden's conviction on three felony gun related charges presents complicated legal and political challenges for his father, Joe Biden, and for the justice system as a whole.

What comes next? We, of course, have the same interview with a probation officer that Donald Trump recently sat for. He'll be asked a whole bunch of questions. There will be a report written for the judge, and ultimately we are going to get sentencing. Biden faces a maximum of 25 years in prison for the three counts. The judge has many other options. And typically, I will point out, typically, there is not a prison time for a first offense of this kind. But we will see. I am confident that just like in Trump's case, I guess the judge will render a reasonable sentence for Hunter Biden as well. So you would think, you would think that now that Joe Biden has done nothing to get his son out of trouble, is not intervening in any way, has said we he won't be pardoning Hunter Biden, which we'll get to in a moment. Now that all of this has been done, you would think Republicans would say, hey, you know what? The very same Biden Justice Department that oversaw the prosecution of Trump and is overseeing prosecutions of Trump federally went after Hunter Biden.

They are going after Bob Menendez, a Democrat. They're going after Henry Cuellar, a Democrat. Uh, we have an ethics investigation of Corey Bush, a Democrat. We're ready to say that Joe Biden has not weaponized the justice system against his enemies. No, no, no, no.

The new position is that this was all a nonsense, minimal charge against Hunter Biden to make it look as though the system is actually going after people in a bipartisan way. And I even heard that Biden, President Biden, orchestrated the conviction of his own son in order to justify the criminal charges against his political enemy, Donald Trump. It's a red herring. It's a deliberate distraction. Now, the funny thing about this is you could make exactly the same argument about Donald Trump's 34 guilty verdicts. I mean, Trump will likely get no prison time despite 34 felony guilty verdicts in the first of four criminal trials. If you want to make the argument that this is a facade of accountability, you can make that argument just as strongly about the conviction of Donald Trump so far as you can about Hunter Biden. But let's look at a couple of the reactions. Hardcore Maga Charlie Kirk, a recruiter of young people to MAga ism, tweeted out, hunter Biden guilty. Yawn. The true crimes of the Biden crime family remain untouched. This is a fake trial trying to make the justice system appear balanced. Don't fall for it. And a bunch of magotypes jumped all over this perspective. The failed former MAGA congressman Madison Cawthorn, who was kicked out of Congress within just one term, tweeted out, quote, they needed this guilty verdict so the left could rush to the media and pretend there's not a double standard in our justice system. But Hunter will get probation and Biden will try to throw Trump in prison.

Just watch. And then we heard from Donald Trump's daughter in law, Laura Trump. Laura Trump, Lara Trump, who says Hunter Biden's prosecution was just a distraction.

Lara Trump
He knows what this trial with Hunter Biden was about. This is about smoke and mirrors. This is the red herring. This is a distraction from what you've talked about the entire show, which is that it's not just criminality we're worried about with the Biden family. It's national security we're concerned about. We need to know as american citizens that when Joe Biden, as president of the United States, is making decisions for this country, he's made decisions based on what's best for the american people and not what's best for the bank account of the Biden family. And by the way, Sean, and of.

David Pakman
Course, if there is any president in recent history who makes decisions based on what is based for him and his family, rather than the country. It's the failed former president, convicted felon Donald Trump. So think about the facts as we know them here in the Hunter Biden case, we had a Trump appointed prosecutor. Biden kept that prosecutor through the investigation of his own son, not interfering. Republicans wanted that prosecutor. What this trial with Lara Trump popping back up. Republicans wanted that prosecutor made special counsel Joe Biden did it. They brought indictments. Biden did not interfere. He was convicted on all counts with a delaware jury pool where the Bidens are from. And you would think, oh, this, these are rigged juries where they're never going to. They convicted him on every single count. A Trump appointed judge presided over the case. And importantly, Joe Biden has said he will not pardon, he will not pardon his son, which Donald Trump, in a similar situation, obviously would do. It's getting very difficult to make the case that there is political bias in favor of Hunter Biden here. Let's talk about Joe Biden's reaction next. Within minutes of the full slate of guilty verdicts against Hunter Biden yesterday, radical and repugnant reactionary Congresswoman Lauren Boebert tweeting out some very, very hard stuff saying, quote, Hunter Biden was proven guilty.

How long until dear old dad gets involved and fixes this all up for, for him? These are extraordinarily stiff allegations coming from Lauren Boebert, particularly since Joe Biden said himself just days ago, he's not going to get involved. He's going to respect the decision of the jury. He's not going to be pardoning his son, Hunter Biden. Take a look at this. He is on the record saying it. But these maga types don't care. They'll, whatever they can say, which really should be applied to Trump, they will say, but listen to this from Joe Biden's weekend interview with David Mir. Your son Hunter is on trial, and I know that you cannot speak about an ongoing federal prosecution, but let me.

Lara Trump
Ask you, will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is?

David Mir
Yes.

Lara Trump
And have you ruled out a pardon for your son?

David Pakman
Yes, he has ruled out a pardon for Hunter Biden. Joe Biden has many things that we could say are deficits or that we don't like. He didn't do enough of this. He didn't do enough of that. But Joe Biden knows that the rule of law is too important to our democracy for him to jump in and say, hey, you know what? I'm going to pardon Hunter Biden. Even though, and this is an incredible thing, if you want to talk about prosecutorial discretion. If you want to talk about crimes or alleged crimes for which individuals are usually not prosecuted, what Hunter Biden did, the trying to obtain a firearm, even though it was illegal for him to do so, almost none of the instances of that are prosecuted. The prosecutorial discretion, when you look at Trump and when you look at Hunter Biden, is very biased against Hunter Biden. I looked at numbers. There is a ten year period during which only 0.05% of those who did what Hunter Biden did were actually prosecuted. Usually you would not be prosecuted for what Hunter Biden did. I'm not saying you shouldn't be. We need to take very seriously our gun laws. Part of the problem is we don't, and Republicans don't want to, by the way. But if you want to talk about prosecutorial discretion, if anything, Hunter Biden's the one who got railroaded. I'm not making any defense. I'm merely pointing that out. But Joe Biden realizes you can't get involved in that way. And after the conviction of President Joe Biden, putting out the following statement, quote, as I said last week, I am the president, but I am also a dad, Jill, and I love our son.

We are so proud of the man he is today. So many families who have had loved ones battle addiction, understand the feeling of pride, seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. As I also said last week, I will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as Hunter considers an appeal. Jill and I will always be there for Hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. Nothing will ever change that. Can anyone, can anyone in my audience genuinely and honestly say that you can imagine Donald Trump putting out such a statement? If Donald Trump junior or Eric Trump or Ivanka or whoever were convicted in a criminal situation like this one, can any of you say that this is how Donald Trump would react?

Of course not. Trump would react by attacking the judge, the prosecutors, the jury, the entire system, framing himself and his family as the biggest victims in the world, referring to Donald Trump junior as a kid, even though he's almost 50, saying he's a good kid and pretending that they're going after a toddler. At the end of the day, that's how Donald Trump would react. So a notable difference, and if you want to see differences between reactions to the Trump verdict and the Hunter Biden verdict, look no further than Fox News. And that's what we're going to talk about next, CNN actually did something interesting yesterday after the Hunter Biden guilty verdicts. They did a side by side comparison of how did Fox News talent, I hate to use that term, but I think you know what I'm saying. On air, people, on air personalities, how did Fox News on air personalities react when Donald Trump was convicted versus when Hunter Biden was convicted? I think that you will find that their reactions to Hunter Biden's conviction, which we're going to look at here in a moment, starting with Judge Jeanine Pirro and look at others. Their reactions to the Hunter Biden conviction really should have been their reactions to Trump's conviction, but they weren't. Take a look at this montage put together by CNN.

Lara Trump
This is a new era in America and I think it goes against the ilk of who we are as Americans and our faith in the criminal justice system. In the end, this juror jury of ordinary people from Delaware were not intimidated by that family. And they recognize that this was a clear cut case and that clearly no one's above the law.

David Pakman
And of course, you could apply that to Trump.

Twelve jurors were not intimidated by the fact that they were rendering a verdict on a former president of the United States. They weren't intimidated by that. They looked at the facts and they put together the verdict. All right, here's another guy on Fox, side by side. This is a very political exercise and you have to say that it accomplished what it set out to accomplish. But I would say this about Judge Norreyka. I think she ran a very fair courtroom. She ran a very fair trial. I guess we all need what to shop at banana Republic from now on, because that's what it feels like. Yeah, a banana republic. For years, the Bidens have been able to escape any legal accountability for their sleazy, corrupt conduct.

But today their luck ran out. At least hunters did. Power is all they love and they're willing to do anything to cling to it. They're willing to destroy the rule of law.

The republic has been wounded by weak lawyers and talentless political bloodhounds. It gave me a little boost of confidence in the american legal system, although they still have a lot of work to do to win me back. I believe that there was a conscious collusion of allies that came together, it's pretty obvious, with a private strategy to eliminate a common, shared adversary. Hunter's going to jail so Joe doesn't have to. And when he comes out, he'll be rewarded for his loyalty like a made man in a Biden crime family. This is a distraction from, from the influence peddling and the kickbacks.

Yeah. So as you can see there, dramatically different reactions on Fox News to the conviction of Donald Trump versus the conviction of Hunter Biden. Once again, if you believe that the judge in the Trump trial did something wrong, you can appeal on that basis. In looking at respected legal experts and analysts, I don't see anything that you could say is worthy of a successful appeal, unless you want to make the case that this was really at the core what should have been a federal case and not brought at the state level. But of course, that has nothing to do with Judge Merchant. That would be a bigger issue that you could take up on appeal. So this is exactly what we expected. They are going to use this rather than to say, hey, you know what, maybe the justice system is kind of working, okay? And it went after two individuals with different politics. We don't know of any political interference. We don't really know of any wrongdoing. Maybe we step back and we just vote in November. And by the way, Hunter Biden's not even on the ballot. No, that's not what they say. Instead, they have to try to say everything was wrong with the Trump prosecution and conviction, and everything was right with Hunter Biden's. They are blinded, blinded by ideology and quite frankly, blinded by ignorance as well. If you see the sort of stuff that's spreading, let's take a very quick break. We're going to hear from a sponsor or two. After the break, we will look at the anatomy of a propaganda operation, and it relates to that debunked Wall Street Journal article about Joe Biden's a brain, we will talk about that next.

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I've pre, when, before Tucker Carlson got fired from Fox News, I would sometimes go through how a completely harebrained, conspiratorial opinion becomes, quote, the news on Fox News. And the way it would often happen is Tucker would go on tv at eight or 09:00 p.m. or 10:00 p.m. i don't remember what time he was on. And he's an opinion show. Remember, there's the Fox News people and the Fox opinion people. And Tucker would say something like, it's very clear at this point that the FBI set up the January 6 riots, for example, something crazy like that. And then the next morning on Fox and Friends, the Fox and Friends people who are sort of like halfway between news and opinion. I would argue they're basically opinion, but I think Fox considers them kind of more on the news side. They would say Tucker Carlson last night argued that the FBI obviously planned the riots. Here's a clip from Tucker from last night. So now you take Tucker's unhinged opinion, you inject it into something that is like pseudo news, and then you get to the noon News hour on Fox News. And at this point, it's been 12 hours of Tucker suggesting the FBI plan January 6, and Fox and friends referring to the fact that Tucker did. And then now it's completely indistinguishable from just some harebrained conspiracy that Tucker floated the night before for. And that's how they turn the propaganda and conspiracies into something that tricks people into plausibly being news. Something very similar happened with Sinclair broadcast stations, which are all over the country owned by Sinclair local news stations, and the Wall Street Journal piece on Joe Biden's brain, which has now been widely debunked.

Now, as I told you guys, when the story came out, I believed that it was worthy of reporting on the fact that the story was written. Most of you agreed with me. Some people were angry that I even told you about the story. The reason being that the allegations were at least plausibly better sourced than some of the Trump just saying Biden doesn't know what day it is stuff. Annie Linsky, despite working for the right wing Wall Street Journal, is a reporter with a relatively trustworthy track record. I mentioned in the reporting, some of the sourcing seems a little suspect, but I want you to know the story is out there. There's a bunch of holes in it. We're going to continue to cover it. The next day, the story was debunked. And I came to you and we discussed that. However, on Sinclair stations, they used the Wall Street Journal piece, which was extraordinarily widely debunked. By the time that a lot of these stories went to air, they gave the same damn script to every station, and it led to the exact same monologues, different anchors all across the country making the exact same point. This is how these organizations spread these propaganda stories. Aaron Rupar and Judd Legum have a great piece about this which we're linking to. Take a look at this.

Lara Trump
The Wall Street Journal calling in to question the mental fitness of President Joe Biden as national correspondent Matt Galka tells us, the issue could decide the election.

David Pakman
Wall Street Journal has published a story.

David Mir
Which calls the mental fitness of President Biden into question.

David Pakman
As national correspondent Mount Galka tells us.

David Mir
The issue could be an election decider.

David Pakman
Should he be on that or any ballot. The Wall Street Journal is out with new reporting calling into question the mental fitness of President Joe Biden. Same script all across the country. Article debunked. As national correspondent Matt Gielka tells us, the issue could be an election decider.

As the Wall Street Journal is out with reporting calling into question the mental fitness of President Biden, we want to know, are you worried about President Biden's mental fitness? As national correspondent Matt Galka tells us, the issue could be an election decider. As the Wall Street Journal is out with new reporting calling into question the mental fitness of President Joe Biden.

Lara Trump
And as national correspondent Matt Galka tells us, the issue could be an election decider, lawmakers think this can be an election decider.

The Wall Street Journal is out with reporting calling info into question the mental fitness of President Joe Biden. As national correspondent Matt Galka tells us, the issue could be an election decider.

David Pakman
And the reason they keep talking about Matt Gala is then they cut to a package. They cut to a package of Matt Galka, every single one of these stations.

Lara Trump
The November election just three months away, and President Joe Biden's mental fitness being questioned once again. According to a Wall Street Journal report, members in both political parties have serious concerns about his cognitive ability. National correspondent Matt Galka has more on those concerns. The Wall Street Journal is out with reporting.

David Pakman
You get it? I could play four more minutes of this stuff for you, but it's, every single one of these scripts is the same.

I have been talking for more than a decade on this program about how your local news is not really local, in many cases, generically. Your half hour local news, which is sort of 30 minutes loosely, you take out eight minutes of commercials, you have 22 minutes left of those 22 minutes, often close to a third of that is weather. Weather is actually local, fine, but you can also find out your weather in 15 seconds by looking at your smartphone. You take out the weather from the 22 minutes, and you often have 16 or 15 minutes left. Often a full half to two thirds of the 15 minutes of actual news on local news is national stuff, either a package, if it's an ABC affiliate station from ABC or whatever, or in the case of Sinclair stations, it is a regurgitation of some script written for every single one of these stations to read. And the reason this is so pernicious, and Aaron and Judd talk about this in the public notice piece that we're linking to.

It's very clever to disguise the Wall Street Journal hit piece as local news because people tend to trust local news way more. They don't realize it's not really the local news in general. We hear people don't trust the news. They're usually thinking of corporate and I'm sorry, not corporate, national news. But when you ask them about your, your local news, your local NBC affiliate, local Fox affiliate, they trust it far, far more. And so when they are getting the Biden story delivered by their local anchor, they trust it way more. Now, as a practical matter, does anyone in my audience watch this local news now? Like I genuine, personally, I don't know anyone under 65 that's watching this stuff. Clearly, some people are because it's a very effective and powerful tactic. So my question to you is, are any of you watching these local news stations? And part of the reason I think the answer is also no, is I think if you were watching the local news and you saw that piece, at least some of you would have emailed me and would have said, hey, that propaganda piece that's already been debunked by the Wall Street Journal, it's made it into my local news. The architecture and anatomy of disseminating propaganda. Hey, this is very interesting. Trump's incoherence at his rallies has gone completely mainstream. And reporters from NPR and PBS are now talk, now talking about the fact that Donald Trump is making no sense at his rallies, alluding to the brain issues that many mental health and neurology experts have been outlining to you on this program for years.

This is actually a really good thing to, here is a clip from last night where you will hear reporters talking about the lack of coherence of Trump at rallies. And you know it. I know it. He's glitching all the time.

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David Pakman
Do, will reap do. Ah, I like that one. Will reap do. Ah. Anyway, they're talking about it. And this is good news.

Lara Trump
For all his calls for President Biden to undergo some kind of cognitive test, it's clear to say Mister Trump's remarks are not at all coherent in these rallies. Mister Trump's remarks have never been super coherent in his rallies.

I'm not sure that I can weigh in on how much they have veered in the last couple of months, but this split screen has always been there, will always be there.

David Pakman
Yeah. So this is just one little story. But I think it is a really important and great thing to have out there simply because the more people that are aware of it, the better you'll remember. And I'm sorry for playing this clip again, Trump went on an 85 2nd rant in Las Vegas on Saturday or Sunday that really is impossible to decipher. And this is the sort of incoherence that they're talking about very short period of time.

D
So I said, let me ask you a question. And he said, nobody ever asked this question. And unless because of MIT, my relationship to MIT, very smart, he goes, I say, what would happen if the boat sank from its weight? And you're in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater and there's a shark that's approximately ten yards over there.

David Pakman
Yeah.

D
By the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. Do you notice that? A lot of sharks. I watched some guys justifying it today. Well, they weren't really that angry. They bit off the young lady's leg because of the fact that they were, they were not hungry.

David Pakman
But they, speaker one so I won't play the whole thing for you. But what I do want to point out is that when they talk about Biden mumbling or stuttering, as a guy who's had a lifelong stutter or sometimes pausing and kind of recollecting or regathering his thoughts, that may very, very well, may very well be a symptom of age related slowing down. As people on this show, mental health experts, experts have pointed out, this is a completely different sort of incoherence. This is the incoherence of someone who seems completely delusional about the world around them. And good for PBS NewsHour and good for the NPR reporters that are talking about this. It is a very real story. And the more people that know about it, the more people that will be able to, if Trump actually shows up to the debate on June 27, evaluate his ranting and raving for what it is, which is these are not carefully crafted attacks. This is not Trump demonstrating an understanding of any particular issue on any level of depth that we might hope for. These are just delusional and confused rantings of a guy who understands less and less. And just compare Trump's interviews today with those of four years ago. The difference is truly stunning. And it's because it's been a linear decline.

There are some arguing that it is an accelerating decline. It may be starting to accelerate. But if you look back two years ago, four years ago, 6810, twelve, the 14, and these interviews from Letterman and other places, it's been a linear decline for Trump that is very different to what we're seeing with Biden. So as I said before, worst case scenario, if they're both demented. Biden's done an extraordinary job for a demented president, and I still would rather the people around him running the country. If we're honest about this. Something is very wrong with the convicted felon failed former president.

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Newsweek has an article, Donald Trump suffers quadruple polling blow, and it outlines a number of concerning developments for the convicted felon failed former president. And it points out Newsweek has compiled at least four results from recent surveys that may be concerning to Trump. Trump's post spokesperson Stephen Chung told Newsweek President Trump continues to lead crooked Joe Biden across polling averages nationally and in battleground states. That may be true. We could look at that in a moment. However, a CB's news YouGov survey shows Trump narrowly ahead of Biden, 50 to 49. But when you break the results down into the seven swing states, which will likely be vital, the results reverse and it's Biden 50, Trump, 49. Now, you might say, David, that's not that good. And it's kind of the same. Trump by one, Biden by one. The key thing is that a month ago, Donald Trump was clearly leading in at least five of those seven critical states, if not even more. And this looked at a number of those important states, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, with normal margins of error. The next part of the quadruple polling blow for the post conviction Trump is independence. The same CB's news YouGov poll found Trump is slightly behind Biden's Biden in terms of support from potentially key demographics of independent voters. They prefer Biden by two points, 50 to 48.

Another poll, Yahoo News YouGov, found 41% of independents support Biden versus 38 for Trump. The reason that's important is we recently saw in a totally different poll that independents have been significantly impacted by the verdict.

And when you combine last week's polling that something like half of independents believe Trump should just drop out of the race after being convicted, you then see Biden take a plus three lead in multiple different polls among independents, that is not a particularly good result if you are Donald Trump. Part three is Biden records his highest scores in ten months. In the same Yahoo News YouGov poll, Biden overtook Trump 46 to 44, leading the race for the first time since October of 2023. This is less about the number two is still within the margin of error, but it's about the reversal in momentum here and then lastly, voters are leaning more towards Biden on the economy. And I want to make sure I'm clear on this one, because it is true that on average in most polls, Trump is ahead on the economy. And Trump is still ahead in this poll from the Financial Times, University of Michigan on the economy, but by a much smaller margin than there has been.

Trump was leading Biden by eleven points on the economy four months ago and Trump now only leads by four. And of course, this was one of the predictions that we had, which is as we get closer to election day, if indeed the economy stays as strong as it is. Oh, David, how can you say that eggs are still more expensive than they five years ago? Yeah, that's not going to change because we're not heading towards a deflationary spiral and to a degree we should be happy about that. Although that doesn't, not to discount the effect of high prices on folks, but it is true that we don't want a deflationary spiral. It's bad for the economy. The degree to which the economy numbers favor Trump is diminishing. And as you all know, because I've said it so many times now, in general, american presidents get themselves reelected. Trump has been the exception.

And before Trump, you've got to go back to 1992 for the last president who didn't get reelected when running for reelection, George Hw Bush. Presidents in general get reelected when the economy has sustained low unemployment, sustained 3% GDP growth, wages outpacing inflation, inflation at 3% in general. In those scenarios, it's even more likely that presidents get themselves reelected. So this is all good for Joe Biden and bad for Donald Trump. But David, what about the young people furious with Joe Biden over his, quote, handling of Israel Gaza? Well, let's not ignore that issue. Let's talk about that next.

Despite claims that young people have completely abandoned Joe Biden because of his, quote, handling of the israeli Gaza war, he is still polling really well with young people.

There is a new report. Joe Biden leads Trump by 25 points among younger people. There are some important details here which we will be discussing. A new poll gives Biden the edge over Trump with youngsters. Those are voters 18 to 29. This was done by Yahoo News and YouGov, and it gives Biden a 25 point lead among 18 to 29 year olds when it comes to the election in November.

In the Yahoo News, in the Yahoo YouGov survey from June 3 to six, Biden's lead remained slight overall but widened when the poll showed young voters level of support.

Listen, here's my view on this.

Are there young voters mad at Biden about his handling of Israel Gaza? Yes, there are. We know that there are. We know that there is this uncommitted movement which really was notable mostly only in Michigan. We know that this exists. Anecdotally, we know that, anecdotally, there are former Trump voters who plan to vote for Biden. We know that, anecdotally, there are people who will vote for whoever Bernie endorses right there. Anecdotally, there are all of these things.

Big picture.

I don't want to go by what I see on Reddit or Twitter because that led me astray in 2020. As many of you know, and I say this as a Bernie supporter in 2016 and 2020, if I were led by what I saw on Twitter or Reddit in 2020, I would have assumed Bernie is going to run away with this nomination. The Democratic Party overwhelmingly supports Bernie. And what we learned, and it was instructive and it was useful for strategy and for thinking of the path forward, we learned that a lot of democratic voters aren't on Reddit and Twitter. They're just working, raising their families, bringing their kids to soccer or football, as we call it in some other parts of the world, and then they go out and they vote and they liked Biden.

And similarly, if you spend time on Tic Tac or on X or whatever platform, you are getting a truncated and limited view of what's going on out there. And when I look at polling, I find that Biden still has a massive lead among young people.

Young people vote, by the way, at far lower numbers than any other age group. And that will probably be the case again in November, to be totally honest, although I want them to vote. And number three, when they are asked to rank their issues in order of importance, foreign policy broadly or Israel Gaza specifically ranks 10th, 15th, or sometimes not at all in terms of issues. So that doesn't mean we don't care. It doesn't mean we don't consider or try to appeal to this group or that group. We do all of those things. But I think it's important to be realistic also about the degree to which this is going on now. Then when we step back from that, we say, hey, you know, if it's going to be as close as it probably will be, coming down to 250 to 500,000 votes in three to five states, two to five states even, shouldn't we care about that slice of Democrats that's young and that's angry with Biden about Israel Gaza? Of course we should care about them. We should care about all of these groups. The question is, how much of your limited resources and time do you focus on going after that group, which statistically is least likely to show up anyway in the best case scenario versus targeting other groups and also in which states when Michigan seems to be the one state in which this even maybe be a plausible, real, more major factor? So I don't have the answer to that. I'm not a political strategist or someone expert at directing campaign resources. It seems that you would direct some resources towards it, but you would direct them proportional to the lead you already have among voters 18 to 29, the fact that they're likely to less likely to show up and vote anyway, and the fact that even they rank Israel Gaza as 10th, 15th or not even ranking at all.

So where that leaves us, I don't know, after the break, what we are going to look at is an anecdote. So, whoa. Punched my mic there and I apologize. I'm getting very agitated here.

One of the things that we look at is we zoom out, and that's what we're doing with national polls. After the break, we're going to zoom in and look at one district in Ohio and the stunning turn of events that we're seeing there. Please make sure that you're subscribed to the YouTube channel@YouTube.com the David Pakman show. We're going to take the quickest of quick breaks and then the show will continue.

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Republicans are experiencing a red alert shockwave this morning because of something that happened in a republican district in Ohio. It is delightful, and I have to tell you, it's not all that surprising. I'll explain in a moment. Newsweek reports Ohio election shock as republican district shifts 20 points, 20 points to democrats a republican district in Ohio has shifted 20 points to democrats. In the state's latest special election, republican state senator Michael Ruley defeated Democrat Michael Kripchak to win the election held in eastern Ohio six district Tuesday to fill a vacancy left by Bill Johnson, who resigned in January.

While he won by some ten points, 54 to 45, it's really nine points. The results mark a decline in republican support in Ohio 6th district compared to previous elections. Johnson won his last four elections by more than 30 percentage points.

Trump won the battleground state by eight in 2016 and 2020.

This is a huge, huge seat.

This was a seat that was plus 29 or 30 for Republicans over recent years, and this time they won by only ten. Now, you might say, David, I don't really understand the significance of this, and I would understand that because it's not totally obvious when you see the presidential margin in some of these districts. Trump himself won this area by 29. Ok? And then a republican candidate defeats a Democrat by, they're calling it ten, but it's really 9.33.

You have to wonder what is going on here. What would be happening in a big republican district where Republicans historically won by 30, Trump won it by 29, and all of a sudden a Republican wins by only 9.3. This would be like if Biden were to win California, but only by two points. He still would win it, but you would be saying, wait a second, this is like the bluest of blue strongholds, and Biden's only able to win it by two. That signals trouble. Now, we also have to be kind of cautious and recognize that Republicans have lost everything since Trump squeaked into the White House in 2016. But that doesn't mean they're not going to be able to win in November anyway and squeak back in. Admittedly, Biden also squeaked in. And what I mean by that is in 2016, electorally, had Hillary Clinton found about 77,000 votes in three states, she would have won. Electorally, she won. The popular vote goes by electoral college. She would have won if 77,000 votes in three states won a different way. Similarly, in 2020, Joe Biden won thanks to only about 125,000 votes in three states, had 125,000 people in three states voted a different way. Despite losing the electoral the popular vote by millions and millions, Trump could have become president by winning the electoral College. The big story, if we are to zoom out here, is that after barely winning in 2016, the 2018 midterms were not good for Republicans. The 2020 presidential election was not good for Republicans. The 2022 red wave that never materialized actually led to Democrats growing their majority in the Senate.

The 2023 off year elections were very bad for republicans. Every abortion related referendum since the overturning of Roe v. Wade has been an absolute disaster. And anecdotally, including when we look at districts like this, we are seeing signs that November could be an absolute and total disaster for Republicans. Ro Khanna, the congressman, told us on the show last week he believes that the House is very much in play for Democrats to take over. None of it matters if we don't vote. And what we have to understand is the polling and all of these signs, these aren't indicators about what will happen regardless. These are suggestions about what could happen if we actually get out and vote. And the election results in November reflect the will of the people. We can all want these to be the results. The perspective of the country can very much be if we all have our voices heard, republicans will do really terribly. But unless we actually go out and vote and make it a reality, none of it matters. And that's the critically important thing, a very bad sign for republicans there in Ohio. All right, time for a big announcement. And there's really no easy way to say this. This has been in discussion for a very long time.

I've been agonizing over it. We've been discussing it as a team, and I have made the decision in consultation with our team, friends and family, advisors, rabbis, actually, I don't know if I talked to any rabbis about this one. Maybe, maybe, maybe one.

I have made the decision that effective at the start of August, the David Pakman radio and tv show is going to end, and that is going to be it. Now, if you are used to listening to the audio podcast or watching clips on YouTube or watching clips on TikToks or Tic Tac or tick tock or whatever, or basically online, this is actually very good news for you because it's going to lead to more content from you. If you listen on the radio, watch on any of our tv affiliates, or watch on free speech tv, this means the show is going away for you and you are going to, if you want to continue watching or listening to the show, you're going to have to find a different way to do it, which includes any of our online platforms. Let me explain to you why we're doing this. When this show started, it started as a radio show, and it started on community radio stations.

It expanded to community television stations. It expanded to satellite tv over the years. And the show has been around for a long time now, 18 years. Over the years, the importance of those platforms has diminished. The amount of staff time required to service those platforms has not diminished. In fact, it's probably gone up and the interference that being on those platforms causes for our online platforms has become more and more significant. You know, some people will sometimes ask me, David, why don't you put the whole interview on the podcast and have a longer podcast that day? And the answer is, because of our radio and tv affiliates who need a 57 minutes show every single day. And so if I've got a good 80 or 90 minutes one day because of a great interview, we have to chop the interview up, divide it into two shows, only, put the interview online, and we get a lot of complaints about that.

In addition to this, we often have to curtail language, bleep things. Sometimes we forget to bleep, and then we cause a problem. For affiliate stations, there's a lot of little things, as well as the generation of additional files and so many different things. And to be honest, there's also a financial component where we've been producing the show for radio and tv at our cost, and it generates essentially zero revenue for us. And so this is a business decision as well as a decision about the future of media. I believe the future, especially for shows like this, is on digital platforms, especially now, as people have bluetooth in their cars, have all of these different forms of technology. So it has been a tough decision.

There are people who are going to be upset. I know that that's the case. And every time we make a change, some people are upset and we're going to have to deal with that. But the radio and television show is going to be going away now. This is not the only change that is coming to the David Pakman show, and I can't yet speak to all of the changes that we're going to be making. Some of the new things that are now going to be possible are on some days, the show is just going to be longer. So for those who are just like, give me a longer show, if there's a longer show, when we have our longer 30 minutes interviews that day, the show may be an hour and 20 minutes or an hour and 30 minutes. It's just what it is.

We are going to test some new formats. I we typically have not done any kind of multi guest shows where I might bring on two guests with opposing views. Part of the reason is we're thinking backwards from our affiliates need a 57 minutes show. If I have two guests on and it's only twelve minutes, it doesn't really allow for a full discussion, so we just don't do it. So one of the things we're going to start dabbling with is we may have discussions with multiple guests on the show. We may have discussions where I am interviewing two guests at the same time, or there may be a roundtable, and maybe there will be an entire show one day, uh, which is some kind of panel or an in person event, or all of these things will now be possible.

The other thing is, some of you have noticed that the last two weeks, there have not been live calls on the Friday show, and no decision has yet been made about this. But I'll be very upfront with you that we are testing getting rid of live calls. I know that there are. The people who call in would be upset if we stopped the live calls. The live calls are the segment we get the most complaints about. There's a lot of people who don't even listen to the Friday show because they hate live calls. And I'm going to be honest, the live calls are not the highest quality. It takes a bunch of technical problems, meandering statements rather than questions, and a lot of confusion to get to one good call.

And we get a ton of complaints and the calls. Only one out of 50 really generates what I would consider to be really good discussion. So we are testing, what is the show like if we don't do the live calls and we may do them, we may not. We're in the middle of a three or four week test. It's what we're doing because I want to make the show as good as possible, and I don't want to have any segments on the show that I consider to be kind of like dead weight. And one of the things we've been talking a lot, including with other creators about, is just because there are things that I've done for a while, like, for example, take live calls because it seems natural to hear from people in that way. Maybe the live calls aren't a good fit for the Daily show. In addition to not having the live calls on the podcast over the last two weeks, I have done three weeks in a row of a weekly tick tock call in show. And I have to tell you, the questions on tick tock have been significantly higher quality. We've had fewer technical issues. It allows me to do a full hour of conversation with the audience rather than just 20 minutes, and it's gone really, really well. So another possibility is maybe the live calls, if they don't come back to the full show, maybe they go to a weekly live on tick tock. That's another possibility. I want to hear from you about it, and I understand that all of these things I'm mentioning, there are people who are going to be absolutely furious about. And it just sort of like, comes with the territory.

Every time we change the show music, there's blowback and all of these things. The other thing I want to mention is there is another opportunity, which is, as some of you know, we have had people on the show who have done kind of like person on the street go and do some interviews that have gone on and launched into really great media production careers. Luke Beasley and Adam Mockler and people that were doing that on this show really early, we want to see about. And I don't know if it's going to be on the podcast on Tick tock where it's going to end up. We want to see about on a more regular basis involving people in these person on the street segments. For us, if you want to do interviews on camera with people, ideally people with different points of view, similar to what Luke Beasley or the good liars or Jordan Klepper do, we have an opportunity. And so what I would love for you to do is send somewhat of an audition, real tape. And I know some people will say, David, I'm not doing any work for free. Totally fine. The only way for us to vet whether there's a good shot at you being able to do this is to see if you're able to do it. So send us about five minutes total of footage, ideally featuring you interviewing people in the format that Luke and others do. You can upload it as an unlisted YouTube video and send me the link. The footage can be real time or unedited. You can also make it more of an edited highlight reel if you want. And if you just do whatever really shows us your talent in no more than five minutes doesn't have to be at a political event.

You don't have to go to a Trump rally. The idea is somewhere with foot traffic, talking to people with political views that are different than yours. This ideally could become a regular paid gig for one or more people after the audition. Okay, this audition is going to be like the great filter because I expect a lot of people just won't do it the right way. And so this is the opportunity. We don't yet know it is a paid gig. We don't yet know everywhere that it would appear. But this is something that we are starting to test. So we're going to be testing some panel interviews on the show. We're going to be testing some debates. We're going to be testing some person on the street. Stuff. We may be getting rid of live calls. I don't know. It's an iterative process. The show continues to evolve. But again, the big news here, I know that are a lot of our affiliates are not pleased, but it's a decision we have to make for what's best for the show and for the audience, and 99.2% of the audience, we believe, is online.

We will be ending the radio and television show. Hilariously, I know that some of you will say, what radio and television show? I didn't even know there was one. Don't even worry about it then. You don't have to worry. All right, so major news for the show. The next iteration, the next chapter will start. I believe it's August. Let's see. The final radio show will be August 2, and the new David Pakman show will launch on August 5. So that's where we are. We have a voicemail number. That number is 21 nine two. David P. Here's a caller with a problem. He's got Maga in laws. Take a listen.

David Mir
Hey, David, what's going on, man? Jack from New York. Listen, got a little bit of a question before you.

In laws are big time. Mag is wife relatively politically uninformed, but just leans toward where her parents lean. That's all well and good.

However, stakes are high in the election.

Curious to get your take.

You like, do I be forthright with my selection, or do I keep it under rats and just say, yeah, yeah, it's a tough choice. Papa, pa. They're both pretty bad.

Thanks, man.

David Pakman
Listen, the key piece of information that this caller didn't tell me is, what state do your maga in laws vote in? Right? If your MAGA in laws vote in South Carolina or they vote in California, it's probably not worth risking ruining your relationship with them to confront them about their disgusting political views. I mean, it's. If you care, it. The caller clearly cares about the relationship with his in laws. So he's saying, is it worth confronting them, and if so, in what way, given that it might sour the relationship? Well, part of it is, could their vote even conceivably make a difference? That's a practical answer. Now, for moral or ethical reasons, I could understand. You know, if. If in laws have these views that are completely antithetical to everything you believe in, it might not be about, are their votes going to make a difference? It's just about, can I tolerate not calling them out for reviews that I think are deplorable? Only you can make that decision, and I've said this to people before. You have to work backwards from what sort of relationship you want to maintain and decide whether you want to do some kind of confrontation, especially if it's in states that are likely to be not deciding states in the election.

It's not a terrible thing to say. I'm just going to kind of keep the peace. So let me know the way it shakes out. We've got a great bonus show for you today.

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