Primary Topic
This episode is a special live broadcast from the Republican National Convention featuring a dynamic discussion on conservative strategies, political prisoner concerns, and tactics to counter leftist movements.
Episode Summary
Main Takeaways
- The episode discusses the importance of adopting more assertive tactics in conservative strategy.
- It highlights concerns over Joe Biden's health and potential implications for political stability.
- The discussion raises issues regarding political prisoners, suggesting a perceived bias in legal actions against conservatives.
- The hosts debate the effectiveness and morality of using the left's tactics against them.
- The conversation also covers the broader implications of these strategies on the future of American politics.
Episode Chapters
1: Introduction and Sponsor Mention
Dan Bongino introduces the episode and its guests, touching on the RNC's atmosphere and briefly mentioning the show's sponsor, MyPillow.
- Dan Bongino: "Welcome to our special edition live from the RNC!"
2: Political Strategy and Legal Warfare
The hosts discuss the current political strategies, focusing on the necessity for conservatives to adopt more assertive legal and political tactics.
- Jack Posobiec: "We need to bring justice, and part of justice is retribution."
3: Health Rumors and Political Speculations
Discussion about Joe Biden's health and its potential impact on his political career, with speculative comments on his ability to continue in office.
- Mike Davis: "Biden's situation could dramatically change the political landscape."
4: Conservative Media and Influencing Public Opinion
The role of conservative media in shaping public opinion and influencing political outcomes is analyzed, with a call for conservatives to be more proactive.
- Dan Bongino: "It's about using the media to fight back, not just to defend."
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About This Episode
People
Jack Posobiec, Mike Davis
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Books
"Unhumans: The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them" by Jack Posobiec
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Jack Posobiec, Mike Davis
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Transcript
Dan Bongino
Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show that's not immune to the facts with your host, Dan Bongino.
Dan Bongino
Welcome to the Dan Bongino Show's special primetime RNC evening Edition. I keep saying I'm gonna bring you the best guests to the point where it's really sounding lame right now. But they are the best guests. I don't know what else to say today. I got two friends of mine. One is a member of a group he doesn't even know he's a part of. Mike. And Mike, he has no idea. He thought he was a solo act. The great Mike Davis. Probably the best lawfare analysis out there. Another guy has been a longtime friend of mine. I mean, this guy is just an all around utility player for conservatism. Has one of the best conservative pictures you'll ever see face to face with antifa, telling them to go fuck themselves, which was really great. We're going to get to them in a second. But we got a sponsor today, mypillow. They're having a dollar 25 extravaganza sale and some of their amazing products. Check out their deals@mypillow.com. and make sure you use promo code. Dan.
Dan Bongino
Key.
Dan Bongino
Which camera should I look at? Key straightaway or that one? Which one's best? Am I looking at that camera? Straight ahead.
Okay. Above the. Oh, above the tv show. Okay. Sorry, guys. Just don't want to be looking weird if I'm looking aside. So, guys, welcome. Jack, thanks so much. First off, you have a new book out, Jack. What's the title? You were on my show talking about it because you know how to really beat these communists at their tactical games.
Dan Bongino
Look, look, Dan, thanks so much for going. By the way. I'm not trying to distract here. I'm literally just like you right in the middle of this, getting information from sources as we go. This is one of my White House sources that's coming in, talking about the. The current status of Joe Biden and this whole thing. Does he have Covid? Yeah, they think he's got Covid, but we're not sure how. What else that he might have in addition to. And not just talking the mental stuff, but I'm talking about the fact that there is something physically wrong with him.
Dan Bongino
And that's serious for a guy his age.
Dan Bongino
Yes.
Dan Bongino
I mean, you know Covid, obviously. Yeah. This is.
Dan Bongino
And so they're. They're. They're currently discussing treatments. He's. He's going out. He's on his way. I believe he's still en route to rehoboth right now. He's going to self isolate. But the fact of the matter is that he is potentially not in a great way. And it's very interesting that this comes just one day after he, he put out there in this bet interview.
Dan Bongino
Yes.
Dan Bongino
That should a medical condition arise, I would consider resigning less than 24 hours, Dan. Suddenly there's a diagnosis. It's all out. So, anyway, you asked the question about the book, but I'm just, I had to get that in because this is real time happening.
Dan Bongino
That's like me, folks.
Dan Bongino
That's the worst. And I'm the worst malesman. I'm the worst salesman. I know. I know.
Dan Bongino
You bring a copy of your book. He's like, no, I didn't do it.
Dan Bongino
I said, brother, you're like me.
Dan Bongino
We literally suck.
Dan Bongino
The title, the title is unhumans, the secret history of communist revolutions and how to crush them. And it's specifically like this. It comes down to reciprocity. Are we going to actually fight these guys? Are we going to use the tactics that they use against us? Are we going to give them a taste of their own medicine? Mike Davis knows all about this the way. But there's this threat. There's this thread in conservative thinking and the conservative mindset that we just want to play fair. We just want to have a debate. We just want to, you know, marketplace of ideas, you know? You know, whereas there's, there's other guys who come in and say, you know what?
Peter Navarro just walked in, and he was here. I got to see him. I got to see him a minute ago for the first.
Dan Bongino
Yeah, folks, we had a political prisoner in here tonight, a legit political.
Dan Bongino
He was just here, and he's sitting there, and I go. And I give him a hug. I said, great to see him, man. I mean, and we work together on war room and human events, and he's a mentor to me. We're both China guys by background. And it's surreal. It's just surreal. Steve Bannon is currently behind bars, and it's so surreal that we have a situation like that going on. And you've got people who say, oh, well, you know, I just want to have a good, fair election and do it. Yeah.
Dan Bongino
That's all.
Dan Bongino
We should unite. We should. No, you can have unite people like crazy.
Unity comes through victory. And if Joe Biden wants to unite, then number one, release Steve Bannon from jail right now. Commute the sentence. It would take you five minutes to do that. But number two, we need to have reciprocity. This will not end until democrats are in handcuffs. And at least I'm not saying all of them. I'm not saying all of them, but I have a list.
Dan Bongino
But the kicker, Mike, listen, you are part of Mike, and Mike again, it's my thing. You're like, I'm part of a group. You are Mike Davis, Mike Benz. Benz is great on deep state, you're incredible on law affair. I had Rudy Giuliani on the other day right over there on my radio show. But Giuliani obviously decorated history with the Justice Department. I asked him a simple question. I said, mister mayor, when you were running southern district in New York, I mean, a historyd office cracking up the mob, some of the biggest financial fraud schemes ever broken up. I mean, no one knows this stuff better than you. I said, if someone had walked in and said, hey, Mister mayor, I want to prosecute Ed Koch, that was a prior democratic mayor in New York, and it's on a shady kind of bank real estate deal where the bank's going to testify in favor of Ed Koch. He said to me, he said, dan, it happened.
And no shit, Mike. I said, mister mayor, I was just pitching as hypothetical. He goes, no, no, what happened wasn't Ed Koch, though. He said, well, Walter Mondale nominated, asked Geraldine Ferrara to be his VP candidate. Apparently the husband had had some issues. Someone walked in there and said to him, we need to look at the husband. And he said, we're not doing it. We're not going to interfere in this election. If we look at it, we're going to look at it after. Unless it's some national security threat or imminent crime we have to prevent. And he said, this kind of stuff would have never happened. Now, lawfare is like, this is just like standard operating procedure for the left.
Jack Posobiec
Yeah, I mean, look what they've tried to do to President Trump. This is Joe Biden, Merrick Garland, Jack Smith, these Biden Democrat prosecutors, they tried to bankrupt him with a bullshit case up in New York for the non fraud of paying back sophisticated Wall street banks in full, on time, as agreed with interest. Big Tish James tried to do that. They tried to throw him in prison for the rest of his life for non crimes. They tried to take him off the ballot. And when that didn't work, they now President Trump's enemies want to take off his head, literally, as we just saw last Saturday. These are Republic ending tactics by Joe Biden and these Biden Democrats. This is how the Roman Republic fell. It was the lawfare by the roman insiders against Caesar that caused him to cross the Rubicon from Gaul into Rome. It led to the civil war and the fall of the roman republic. We're not going to go into a civil war, a hot war, but this is going to lead to a legal tit for tat between the parties that could destroy our country. 100% agree with what Jack said. We need to bring justice, and part of justice is retribution. Right. And so nobody's above the law, as they say. We need to.
Dan Bongino
Yeah, that's airline.
Jack Posobiec
Yeah. We need to make sure that we prosecute them for their real crimes, and so they think long and hard before they bring this bogus lawfare and election interference.
Dan Bongino
The next time, Mike, I want to just get your take. And, Jack, I'll come to you on this one. Cause you just. You put an idea in my head. I had a whole different show lined up for you. I'm already scrapping this whole show. I wrote all these noses. I'm like, what the hell are we doing? We're doing it live. We're doing it live. He's my buddy. Bill O'Reilly. If you saw that, he's my boy. You guys know me and Bill were like this. You saw that. But we're all one time.
No, I wrote in a book. A book. I wrote the fight a long time ago.
I said exactly that. That I don't think, of course, anything's possible, and I pray it isn't that there's a cold or hot civil war. Obviously, nobody wants that, but there will be a cold civil war in the future if this continues. How far are we away from, say, a Republican Ron DeSantis type governor? You know, saying, like, you know what? Say something like, the Donald Trump thing happens again. And they put out, they say, you know what? Don't come to Florida. Don't get them. We're not extraditing them. You can do whatever you want in New York. And Donald Trump just says, we're not going. I mean, really, how far away are we from that?
Jack Posobiec
Well, thank God the President Trump transforms the Supreme Court to the first constitutionalist majority in 90 years, because the Supreme Court really just saved our republic with its decisions on presidential immunity. The Fisher case, they end it. Essentially end it. This Biden Democrat lawfare and election interference against President Trump with the presidential immunity case. And the biggest winner of that is Joe Biden, because Joe Biden is going to get thrown out of office on November 5, 2024, and his old, decrepit, demented ass would be a prime target for the Trump forces Justice Department on January 20.
Dan Bongino
Now, Jack, I'll go to the difference because you just brought this up, too. It's kind of a nice ping pong here. The difference with us and them is the Biden's appear to have actually committed crimes. Like they had to make this stuff up with Trump. Like we have actual stuff to go after.
Dan Bongino
So when, when I got a copy of the Hunter Biden laptop for, for almost four years ago. Right. In, in October 2020.
Dan Bongino
Russian one?
Dan Bongino
Yeah, the russian one. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, yeah. I'm reading for brief, you know, and I'm like, I'm looking through this and I said, well, wait a minute, this is all the things that they claim that Donald Trump has done. And yet here it is on one laptop. I've got all the files on Burisma. I've got all the CEFC from China. I've got all the oligarchs. And then.
And you were federal laws. I was intel, but you were federal law enforcement. Dan, have you ever had a case where you had the defendant or the suspect in this case where the suspect was recording himself confessing to the crimes every night? Well, on crack I have not with. And say, oh, I'm dealing with the spy chief of China and all this. And I was like, it's all here. So all we have to do is get it out. So we think, all right, and then we get it to the New York Post and we put it out to say, wow, I've never had a situation like this. So this is going to be the greatest October surprise of all time. And we later found out that it was the greatest October suppression of all time. You're in the guy all there.
Dan Bongino
Talk to the audience a bit about how deeply corrupted the intel swamp has become that 51 absolute morons disgraced their families, themselves, their reputations. Jack, they knew that was Hunter's laptop. Stop the bullshit.
Dan Bongino
Well, they knew it was Hunter.
Dan Bongino
How bad do you have to be for them to.
Dan Bongino
And it, what it was, when people need to understand that it, it wasn't them being necessarily wrong. And this is the thing, it's not. They're not wrong. This was an intelligence operation that was run by Brennan, that was run by Clapper. He put the word down. And we know this because of the testimony of Mike Morrell, because we know that it was Mike Morell who went to Tony Blinken at the time serving in the capacity as the senior advisor to Joe Biden on foreign policy. He was the one who put the word out he said, we need something to go with this. So let's, let's put this together. Let's put together what Davis is saying with this information. We got the, we got the unhumans strategy, the playbook that we're talking about in my new book to say, all right, well, that means that that was an unregistered campaign finance in kind contribution, clearly. And so when you have an unregistered in kind contribution, well, unfortunately, then that's something that potentially can be a felony if you were using it to cover some underlying cost. So that means you need an investigation and that means you need a prosecution in terms of that. So take the 51. Right, and then take Tony Blinken as secretary of state and launch criminal proceedings against all.
Dan Bongino
Jack, it's not like they've done that. Oh, they did, Mike. They did up in New York when they pigeonholed the campaign.
I forgot wasn't a, is that the nonsense case up in New York where they pigeonhole that? But give me the audience. I played a segment of you the other day on, I think, real America's voice. You were explaining, and the audience needs to hear this, why? Jack SMith the appointment was clearly unconstitutional. But I think my question and what I got feedback wise from the audience afterwards is if it was so obviously unconstitutional, the appointment wasn't Senate confirmed, was not an AUSA, assistant United States attorney, was not a us attorney at all, as a matter of fact.
Why did they do it? Was it just arrogance? Were they just so cocky that they thought they would slip one past the goalie? I mean, it was a clearly unconstitutional appointment. Why? And why do you think they did it?
Jack Posobiec
Well, remember, the office of Independent Counsel lapsed after Ken Starr's investigation of Clinton. Congress let it lapse, and then the Justice Department tried to resurrect it through fiat, through regulation, through the Office of special Counsel. That's, you know, this regulation has been on the books for a long time to appoint a special counsel. I think the reason this is just now getting decided because it was Justice Clarence Thomas concurring opinion in the presidential immunity case that flagged this. And the reason that he had that concurring opinion is because Joe Biden and Merrick Garland and Jack Smith politicized and weaponized our justice system and took our legal system to the brink by going after President Trump, a former president and likely future president, with these made up, bogus charges. And so we're, they're deciding this now because we've never, they've never had to decide this in the past now it.
Dan Bongino
Can be resurrected under a different AUSA or United States attorney, correct?
Jack Posobiec
Yeah, correct. I mean, if Joe Biden tries to bring these charges against President Trump after, if they want to refile in the southern district of Florida, I mean, they're gonna get shut down by the Supreme Court. They, they're charging Trump with, with, with actions that are subject to presidential immunity. That's gonna get the, the Bragg case up in New York thrown out on a mistrial. And if Judge Mershon does not declare a mistrial there in New York on September 18, the Supreme Court's gonna get that case. And can I ask you about that too?
Dan Bongino
Because the, obviously, the presidential immunity case, I don't wanna jump around too much. I don't wanna confuse anyone. I'm not a lawyer like you either. But, you know, I understand the contours of it. Given that they've now expanded this from civil and the Nixon precedent to criminal, to the criminal realm and official acts, isn't it merchant's obligation up in New York to now go back and review this and decide which of those things were immune to prosecution? I mean, how can he just sentence them given the Supreme Court precedent?
Jack Posobiec
He can't. And that's what he knows. He. I think he realizes he has to do that. I don't know if he will, because the guy's corrupt. His daughter is raising millions of dollars off of this unprecedented criminal trial.
Dan Bongino
Give me, give me best and worst case. Best case scenario, would it be something like merchant, you know, finds Jesus, which isn't gonna happen, and throws the case out? Best case scenario. And worst case scenario, he has to go through and pick apart every little thing and just says, yes, that was an official act, and rolls with it anyway.
Jack Posobiec
The best case scenario is he would declare a mistrial because Bragg used evidence that was subject to presidential immunity. He used evidence of President Trump's conversations with hope Hicks in the White House and then Madeleine, his operations assistant, in the White House. Those are clearly subject to presidential immunity. The Supreme Court just clearly held in the presidential immunity case that not only is the president immune for his official acts, criminally immune for his official acts, you can't use evidence that's subject to presidential immunity for any other case. And so they use that evidence. And so Bragg, Brad, used that evidence that's subject to presidential, meaning Roshan has to declare a mistrial. If he does not, then the Trump legal team can, they can have another court review in New York. And if that court says no, it goes directly to the Supreme Court.
Dan Bongino
That's fruit of the poison tree.
Jack Posobiec
Well, yeah, similar.
Dan Bongino
I mean, yes, similar to that.
Jack Posobiec
Yes, it's very similar. It's evidence that they could not have used, and not only did they use it at trial, you can't use it in grand jury proceeds. And so that affects all of these cases should get tossed out because of the presidential immunity decision.
Dan Bongino
So, Jack, it's been kind of, you know, people misuse the term bittersweet all the time, especially morons like Joe Biden. But this has been bittersweet, obviously extremely bitter because we almost lost President Trump. I mean, there's, you know, there's nothing about that we should be celebrating. But sweet because he lived and came out of it with a combative spirit of Jack Smith case gets thrown out. The Jack Smith case, or likely to be tossed, he's going to pardon himself anyway. Interminably delayed. The debate goes horribly. The follow up interview with Lester Holt and others goes even worse. The Democrats are in disarray down. Ballot races are starting to shift. Right now.
Everything seems to be going really well. My fear, pull it out. Bird's eye view here and your take on it here.
I'm afraid a little apathy may set in. You remember the midterms, right? You heard I was not doing it. I have video evidence. I told people I don't want to hear shit about guys. Do I take right, no fucking red wave. I'll kick your ass out of here right now.
Dan Bongino
I will physically attack the next person that says the answer.
Dan Bongino
You see. So I meant, by the way, folks, showing you I'm not a bullshit artist. I meet some p one s outside, I'm like, hey, motherfuckers, you want to watch the show? Come on in. And they're like, yeah, come on in. So I love these guys. So they're hanging with me and they know the deal like I do. I don't want to hear shit about a red wave. We heard that and we got our asses kicked. But now it's like it's reaching this crescendo where it's almost out of control. I'm hearing people like, we're going to take 60 Senate seats and that apathy then kicks in and that's why we're getting this shitty republican turnout.
Dan Bongino
Look, complacency is going to be the biggest challenge going forward because you'll have this sense of inevitability. And you know who messes with the sense of inevitability?
All of the Democrat machines in cities like the one we're in right now, by the way like Milwaukee, like Detroit, like Philadelphia, my hometown area, like Chicago, all these places, Phoenix by the way, all of them. They're going to sit there and you know what? We're going to sit there and say, oh, Trump's got the halo effect and Trump Vance and everyone's going to put all the motivation behind them. You know what the Democrats are doing? They're banking ballots. They're just banking ballots. Banking ballots. And by the way, those illegal aliens that are coming in across the border, it's not about them voting. It's about having their name on the driver's license rolls so they can use it to generate more ballots. So once the ballots are generated, they will go, those go off and get filled out. This isn't something where like, you know, they're sitting there, vote for Biden. No, come on. It's the ballots generated using the id of that person and then it goes off and the ballot gets sent in. This is the biggest threat. And that's why I keep going around everywhere we go. You know, when you're, especially if you're in a swing state like we are right now, you know, we're registering people, we're making sure it's got, I work with turning point action and Charlie Kirk and Tyler and everybody and it's like we're, if anything, we're going to be doing more investment in those swing states because we understand, I'm from Pennsylvania originally so I understand that this is the state. JD Vance, like, I love you, buddy.
You're from Ohio, you're moving to Pennsylvania.
We need you. We need a part like western Pa. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The Pavetti brothers going to sheets of. I think he should go, Virginia's on the bubble.
Right on the bubble.
Dan Bongino
He should do three quarters pa, a quarter Virginia. If they win, Pennsylvania and then ping.
Dan Bongino
Pong Maryland, you know, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan, Wisconsin, Wisconsin, Michigan, Wisconsin.
Dan Bongino
I mean, he definitely speaks the language of the working man. I want to get to JD too, but my question for you. So the New York Times back in 2012, these guys probably heard this article a thousand times right there. Like, all right, you're going to mention the Adam Liptok article. When Republicans were primarily utilizing absentee and mail in ballot, military and older folks in Florida, the New York Times had a real problem with it. Matter of fact, they wrote a piece, error and fraud. At issue is absentee ballot rises. It's by Adam Liptak. Again, it's the New York times at the New York Post. And they indicate clearly the statistics show that the rate of rejection and fraud for mail in ballots is twice that of in person voting, which, I mean, common sense guys, doesn't surprise anyone because there's no obstacle. Like, if you have to go into a voting booth, the same person can't walk into a clerk five or six times with the same ballot. You were just here. A mailbox. You can go as many times as you want.
What I find odd about this is, is this just a matter of Soros type prosecutors and a corrupting of the justice system? How is it that the legal system, especially with the Pennsylvania debacle in 2020, the Texas case that got tossed out of the Supreme Court, why are we doing so poorly in court on an issue that should be such a ground ball? The statistics are clear that this is just ripe with fraudhouse.
Jack Posobiec
That's a very good question. I mean, that's. Think about what democrats did in 2020. They used Covid to illegally, unconstitutionally change election laws. So they violated the elections clause of the Constitution, where state legislatures, not fiats by county clerks and other people like that, can change election laws. They mass, mass mailed live ballots out to old voter lists, including college campuses, where they move 300 times those ballots pile up. And then, as Jack says, you know, maybe they're not filling out those ballots. Right. Someone else's. And then they get rid of signature verification because apparently Covid changes your signature.
Dan Bongino
Yeah. I don't know how. It's kind of weird.
Jack Posobiec
It's a weird thing. It changes your signature, and then they get rid of election observers, the evidence gatherers, and then they say there's no evidence. Well, no shit. You threw out the election observers.
That's why there's no.
Dan Bongino
Evan, it's kind of hard to gather evidence. Yeah.
Jack Posobiec
When you're thrown out because of COVID Right. It's just. It's like these republican legislatures need to get smarter this time and very fast.
Dan Bongino
Because you think that's happening, though. I mean, give us not. Give the audience not fast enough a sense of, are we at least better off than where we were in 2020? I know Arizona made some changes. Georgia. I know they're not enough. I'm not telling everybody it's perfect. But do you think we're at least in a marginally better spot than we were in 2020?
Jack Posobiec
I do, and I'll tell you why. And I'm going to out him. Steve Kenney used to work for me on the Senate Judiciary Committee, and now he's the head of litigation at the RNC. And this guy is very smart, and he's a very effective. And he has been what needs to happen.
Here's how we made a mistake or we screwed up last time.
You have to get injunctions ahead of time on signature verification and election observers on these all mail ballots. If you don't get injunctions ahead of time, then what you, what's going to happen is you want a judge after the election to throw out the entire election. Right. Because you're going to say that there's, you know, there's fraud. You have to show overwhelming evidence of fraud for a judge to step in and throw it out after the election. Right. You have to, you have to get the injunctions before you separate the live ballots from the secrecy envelopes. Right. And if you don't do that, if you don't get the injunctions ahead of time, that's how you're gonna. That's how the Democrats can steal the election.
Dan Bongino
Right.
Jack Posobiec
And so Steve Kenney has been very effective at getting these injunctions and these key battleground states ahead of time.
Dan Bongino
So they.
Jack Posobiec
So we.
Dan Bongino
Speaker one, that's good to know.
I was not aware of that. And at least we're fighting back for once.
Jack Posobiec
Yeah, I mean, we're always gonna get smoked by Mark Elias and the Democrats on this stuff, but we're getting much better. Democrat. Look, Republicans need to vote as early as possible. Bank your votes.
Dan Bongino
I say that all the time.
Jack Posobiec
Because if you wait till election day, look what they, look what they did in 2020 with BLM and Antifa riots, right? Wait till we have the Hamas riots in 2024 and they scare the hell out of little old lady Republicans who think it's their patriotic duty to wait to go vote on election day in person. Look what happened in 2022 with Abe in Arizona, where they had, they had the.
In Maricopa county. They disenfranchised voters in Maricopa County.
Dan Bongino
I was there in Maricopa when it happened. I was reporting live. I was with everybody. And we went out to cover it with Kerry Lake and with Abe Homaday and Blake Masters running for Senate. And all of a sudden. So, you know, they got rid of the precincts in Arizona. This was the next thing. They have voting centers, at least in Maricopa county. So there's no, normally it's, you go to your precinct and this is, this is a, the original voter id, by the way, was you would go to the little old lady from your neighborhood and she'd say, hey, Jack, how you doing? Your mom came by earlier on her way to work. I think your dad's coming in later. Good to see you. That was the voter id because you knew the people who were there. Now they've broken it up. And at least in Maricopa county, and that's why they're trying to spread it to everything. And don't let them tell you it was just Covid, by the way, because we know that hr one was written in 2019 before they even knew about COVID or before. Well, they may have known, but that's a different story. The issue, though, is they switched it over to these voting centers throughout Maricopa. And then with the voting centers, they've got massive amounts of people, thousands of people in some cases, going to these centers. And then suddenly it's, oh, the machine's not working. So the machine goes down and it's printer doesn't work. And it's like the printer, and I'm sitting there, I'm like. And I've got, like, mike Vindel's voice in the back of my head.
The machines, the machines, you know, and then they, and then I love this. And I love this. And I'm a Pennsylvania guy, so I'm like, I'm like with Charlie, I'm with Tyler, and I go, guys, I'm a Pa guy. I'm not an Arizona guy like all you. But then they say, well, don't worry, don't worry. Fill out your ballot and then put it in the machine in door three. And I'm sitting there like, door three? What is door three? How about you count my ballot? And so the point is the lines got so long that so many people left, they had their votes disenfranchised. Abe Hamadeh loses by a handful of votes. They all lose by a handful of votes. And now you got a situation where you've got all of these people running throughout, running throughout Arizona who could be indicted but for not the fact that Abe Hamid is not there. And they got. And they got Hobbs as governor.
Dan Bongino
Yeah. Let me, let me transition to this secret service story. You being an intel guy, this part, I'll focus on the intel side rather than the tactical side for now. So the secret Service has an intel team, too. Protective intelligence unit. Right. And their whole life, their whole ethos, guiding ethos for being, is that they're going to do the pre intelligence work. So if there's a subject that's of interest, unusual interest or a threat case, they'll be at the scene to do a quick interview and deem threat, no threat, or we don't know. And therefore, we'll take precautions. Right. So it just emerged that 3 hours or so before. I'll cover this on the podcast tomorrow, by the way, in detail, folks. 3 hours before, apparently, the parents made some calls and said, listen, we've got a problem. The parents. So there's obviously a vested interest in protecting, not outing your son. There's no reason for them to say otherwise. We then found out that upwards of an hour in advance, guy passes through the magnetometer with a range finder. Why the hell would you have a range finder? Were you shooting deer? I mean, what the hell was going on there? Then we find out 26 minutes before that, subjects at the scene are saying, hey, there's a guy on the roof, and that looks like a freaking gun in his hand. Like, maybe we should do something about that. As an intel guy, you must have, you know, read that and been like, this isn't even intel. This is like my 8th grade daughter would have been like, uh, dad, we got a problem here.
There's a dude on the roof with a gun whose parents said he's a troublemaker. I mean, this is insane. The epic failure.
Dan Bongino
I mean it at this point. And the fact is, they say, oh, do you believe that? People ask me, do you believe the narrative? Do you believe the narrative? I say, well, what narrative? Because the narrative shifts. It feels like every ten minutes, every time. Cause we're here.
Dan Bongino
Thanks, Mike.
Dan Bongino
We're here at the rally, and we'll see you later, Mike. And we're here at the convention. And so it's like, every time I get off a hit, every time I get off a show, every time I finish something, there's a new narrative. So I'm asking, which narrative do I want me to believe? And then I look at it, and the time keeps moving back. It keeps shifting back. And so my question is, what else could this guy have done to make himself known to law enforcement? I mean, did he have to walk around with the flag that said sniper? And, like, a little arrow pointing down to him that said, I am the sniper. I'm going to do this, by the way, here's my rangefinder. Here's my. And the range finder.
Dan Bongino
Could you think, rally? I would have a range finder.
Dan Bongino
I have guys at rallies. You can't bring a vape into those things, right? You're like, all because the vape. Because it's got a device and it's got a USB and they won't bring it.
Dan Bongino
Bottle of water.
Dan Bongino
You got to take your shoes off unless you're in the clear. And the facial recognition all this and this guy brings a rangefinders. Oh, I'm just going to be doing some surveying while I'm in there. Of the audience, please.
This stinks. It stinks to high heaven. All the american people know that it stinks. This Kimberly Cheadle, that she should be at this point not just under investigation, not just resignation. I mean, we were doing the live show earlier today. People want to see her behind bars. This is, it's completely insane.
Dan Bongino
By the way, how can they find your show? The audience? I'm going to take a quick break after this.
Dan Bongino
Human events daily. We're on real America's voice. We've got the podcast up. The book is on humans and, and we do two to three every day. I'm also covering down.
Dan Bongino
They hate you, by the way. Oh, yeah. Oh my gosh.
Dan Bongino
They're not.
Dan Bongino
You're in like every New York Times frame. Those suckers.
Dan Bongino
Honestly, at this point it's gotten so many times that it's like you can't even keep up with it. But there's going to be, but here's the weirdest thing though. The weird thing is, is coming around here at the event. Now they're all coming up. Being nice to me. Now they're all coming up, hey, we want to write a feature on you and oh gosh, we heard you were so instrumental and you've been talking to Bannon and you're tight with this guy and that guy and oh, you want to be nice and it's like the buttering up and we book about you and I'm like, aren't you the same guys that like three or four weeks ago or days ago or like this morning are attacking me?
Dan Bongino
Well, you're good for clicks.
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Yeah, I got a whole bunch over there. I'm gonna give you guys a couple of my billers.
Dan Bongino
When we first came in, and we got them, and my wife Tanya, she came in. It wasn't me. It was her, because she came in and she got rid of all the pillows.
Dan Bongino
I think Tanya sells more than you, though.
Dan Bongino
Why would you say that?
Dan Bongino
Because your wife, man, she knows what she's doing with it, but she knows it's.
Dan Bongino
It's. Look, I'm gonna say it. She's got that blonde haired, blue eyed privilege, and she walks up, and everyone sees, like, I'm out there. I'm like, I got the sources, and I got the analysis, and I got. Oh, I got this one. I got this in, like, the middle of the night, and I'm on, like, signal with Dan. I'm like, have you hearing this? Are you getting there? We're checking all it out, and she just walks up, and she's like, la, la, la. My pillow. Come and get some.
And boom, it goes out.
Dan Bongino
Mike's been great to a lot of conservatives folks. Seriously. I mean, I know it's a spot and all, but you know as well as I do. Oh, yeah, look, we go. Here we go.
Dan Bongino
Look at this.
Dan Bongino
Give these to the guy.
Dan Bongino
Look at the american flag one right there.
Dan Bongino
Jack, you know when a lot. Whether companies bailed on conservative media after January 6, Mike. Oh, he was totally.
Dan Bongino
Mike was there. Mike was all in.
Dan Bongino
And he keeps it. No one's got to pay because of the ads. I mean. No, you know, I don't. I don't. Like, I'm not a big, huge paywall guy, you know?
Dan Bongino
No, no. And if. If. If it were not like this, we would have to. But. And I'll say that to my kids have. We used the travel pillows for my kids, so they sleep with them. And I got the Bible ones. They do, like, Noah's ark or the Nativity Christmas story. They'll do that one. Creation stories one. And we use the topper. We use the sheets. We use all of it. We're totally. So it's like people are like, oh, you're just doing. And actually tell you the truth, most of the time when I do my show because I'm doing the home studio. I'm in. The slippers.
Dan Bongino
Yeah, I'm in. I'm in. We're moving out of the home studio soon, so you gotta come see my new studio. Burger King, folks. You ready for the Burger King?
Dan Bongino
Burger King.
Dan Bongino
You guys are coming? All right, so. Because I just met the P one s over here. I love these guys. So let's get to Bannon.
Dan Bongino
Yeah.
Dan Bongino
So, Steve, I'd love to tell you that he was our only political prisoner. Actually, I'd hate to tell you that, but it'd be great to just have one. He's not. Peter Navarro was here tonight. George Papadopoulos. Carter Page was at least investigated, almost became a political prisoner.
Dan Bongino
General Flynn came very close.
Dan Bongino
General Flynn. I mean, a list goes on and on. You're very close with speaker two.
Dan Bongino
Actually, I just see Peters on stage there.
Dan Bongino
Oh, is he too? Oh, look at him. He's up on stage now talking.
Dan Bongino
He looks great, by the way. This is why. Okay. And I will say this. I'll be a little funny because I know Peter, and Peter, we work together on war room and all this. And I go, I say, I say, they said, like, do you think Peter's okay? And I said, I don't think he is. And they go, what do you mean? I said, well, he came out and I got to see him, and he's smiling. And I've never seen him smile before.
Dan Bongino
He is like, when he's always smile, Peter Navarro, stuff like that.
Dan Bongino
He is not temperamentally. He is not exactly known for being one of the happiest guys, all right? And I think he's a little salty. And I think people know that he's a little salty, that he's a passionate guy. He's passionate about what he believes in. He's passionate about the country. He is not a fan of the People's Republic in the Chinese Communist Party. Is not a fan even a little bit. And he and I are very simpatico on that. But, man, he's smiling. He gave me a hug. I'm like, Peter, what did they do to you in there? You're being all nice and look, and it's. I think it's just amazing. You know, obviously, he's very happy to be out.
Dan Bongino
How is Bannon doing, by the way? Can you please dispel my p one s in the audience. I get this a lot. And it's strange. I don't know how to respond. Cause candidly, I don't know where it ever came from. I get this often. They're like, Dan, is there some kind of beef with you? And bad. And I'm like, no, matter of fact, the groundswell group was me, Bannon, and a couple of others who started it. Miss Steve and I have always been friends.
Dan Bongino
I never. I've never heard.
Dan Bongino
Thank you.
Dan Bongino
Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Dan Bongino
I love Steve. Steve and I go back. Gosh, I was doing interviews when Steve was hosting Breitbart, and I was at nobody. I was like a Senate candidate nobody cared about. So there's never been any, ever beef, not even, like, a little bit. But how is he doing? I know you talk to him a lot. I mean, no one wants to go to jail. I mean, this is a real pain in the ass.
Dan Bongino
He's got limited. He's got limited email access. It's through DOJ. You have to be whitelisted through for Bureau of prison. So certain number of people are on it. I'm on one of them. And he's not told me a single thing about life on the inside, other than. And so he and I both served the Navy. He said, it's like being on a navy combatant when you're at sea. So, you know, and I can paint the picture, fill in the blanks on that. You're surrounded by a bunch of guys you don't like. You're all forced to sleep together. Now, he's got a community area, but I think, I believe an individual room or maybe one bunk mate, and you're stuck inside, you're on quarters. But other than that one time, he mentioned that every single other email, and he emails frequently. It's all about the work. It's. How's the movement doing? What's going on? What's going on with Joe Biden? What's going on with Donald Trump? Press here, press there. He's asking for intel. He wants to know what the RNC is like, what's my analysis? And then he's firing back. And these are long detail. He's got nothing but time right now. Yeah, so I'm getting long. And I will say this. So we're not making them public right now because there was a potential that one of the things that they say is if you start making it too public, they're going to feel like he's doing his show again. And that potentially they could. Her tail is access. And so we're keeping them private for now, but I'm saving them all. And if he ever wants to do anything with.
Dan Bongino
Going to be huge, man.
Dan Bongino
They're going to. I was joking. I said, he's doing show prep. He's doing show prep all for the day. So he gets out currently scheduled November 1 elections, November 5. So he gets four days. New York Times is interviewing me, and they say, oh, so he's only going to have four days? I said, no, no, no. Steve Bannon only needs four days. Four days is more than enough. What's he going to do with the.
Dan Bongino
Other three, 4 hours?
Dan Bongino
Speaker three, 4 hours is all Steve Bannon needs. He's going to come out there, and I'll tell you what he's doing right now is I guarantee you he's converting every single person inside that prison, guards included, by the way, to be supporting Donald Trump. They, Peter Navarro. People were telling him that they were high fiving him. They were high fiving him on the way out.
Dan Bongino
No way.
Dan Bongino
Because they all know that these guys are there as a political process. They aren't murderers. They weren't tax cheats. There were any of these things. What did they do? They stood up for their country. We live in a country now, and my wife comes from the Soviet Union. We live in a country now where if the government doesn't like you, the government will make up a crime against you and throw you behind bars. And it's diff. And by the way, if they can't get you behind bars, who knows? Somebody's gonna take a shot at you when it comes next. That's the country we live in now. And I think Steve going to jail, Navarro going in, coming out of Biden collapsing, and then everything we see with Trump Saturday night, it's, it's like this massive culmination all at once.
Dan Bongino
You know what? There's one other thing is you're right. And it's all at the end, where it's not even fixable at that point because there's so little time to turn it around.
I was talking to, I was at Rachel or someone. I forget Rachel Duffy. But I said, he's got another problem. Biden. This next debate is September. Early voting is going to be going on in full swing. Biden has two options and only two right now. Bail on the debate, look like a chump and a coward, or go into the bait and get your, your toast toasted again like Donald Trump. I mean, it's, it's only going to get worse. The guy's brain, he's losing neurons by the day.
Dan Bongino
Well, he.
Dan Bongino
Nothing's going to get better.
Dan Bongino
This. And I've just seen, by the way, there's a new video that just dropped the Joe Biden within the last couple of minutes of him. I mean, they have to.
They're almost carrying him onto Air Force one that he is not walking. And we. We all know he kind of has that man. It's. It's not safe.
Dan Bongino
Grandfather, you'd be like, no, ma, we gotta fix this man.
Dan Bongino
You know, we would say I love you more than anything, but now, come on, this video, it's. It is not good. And they're. They're leading him up there, and you can see him with these. This halting gate and putting him up there. And there's a real. There's a real consideration.
Dan Bongino
He gets the seat right behind in the congressional hearing.
Dan Bongino
Oh, really?
Dan Bongino
Yeah.
Dan Bongino
Hey, he's the guy.
Dan Bongino
Come over here. We want to see. I want to see if the audience recognizes you.
Dan Bongino
Oh, yeah, I know.
Dan Bongino
I know. Folks, you recognize this guy? How the hell do you always get this seat? Grab a seat at a mic. Right. No, the other side. Russell not going to be on the mic side.
Dan Bongino
Good. The mic over there.
Dan Bongino
Yeah. So how do you always get this seat at congressional hearings? Behind the clown show. And you folks, you know, he is chat. Wait, hold on. Let me see the chat. So. All right, we got 60,000 great p one s watching right now. You know this guy? You ever see. Okay, yes. They know who you are. They've seen you before. How do you do that? Do you put a reserved for Ivan Ranklin thing down or something?
Dan Bongino
No.
Ivan Raiklin
So he knows the same. He's been in the same process Jack has. All you have to do is show up. And if it's a really big hearing where the biggest scum are basically testifying, you just have to show up probably about an hour maximum, hour and a half to get the primo seats. Now, because most of the republican conference at this point know who I am as well, particularly the chairman of the committees.
Let's just say I have a mechanism to guarantee that I'm sitting in the back.
Dan Bongino
Yeah, they know who you are. You are, man.
Brian Mast
Right behind.
Ivan Raiklin
Right behind. Fraud.
Dan Bongino
She.
Ivan Raiklin
Right behind.
Dan Bongino
Wait, someone said dude is twice your size, Dan. No, no, no.
Dan Bongino
Oh, here we go.
Dan Bongino
Here we go.
Here we go.
Dan Bongino
Back to back.
He's fun sized. He's fun sized, folks.
Dan Bongino
All right. I'm a little tall, buddy. The dude is solid. I'll tell you that. So, listen, I want to get both your takes on this. Okay? Wait, wait. Before I get your take on it, it was you, right? Who asked Hunter Biden that question? What was the question? I played on my show. We were laughing.
Ivan Raiklin
Or question that went completely viral was, what kind of crack do you smoke, Mister Biden?
Dan Bongino
Dude, everyone already knows that he smokes. No.
Ivan Raiklin
Abby Lowell, his attorney, was angry, looks back at me. He's like, I'm like, buddy, you're outside of the hearing question. I can speak whenever I want. It's not being using explosives. So I can basically say whatever I want.
Dan Bongino
It's a fair question, right? I mean, if you're going to crack.
Ivan Raiklin
With Ukraine, are you still on the take with Russia? Are you still on the take with China? All these other players?
Dan Bongino
You got a lot of balls.
Dan Bongino
But, Dan, think of it. Think of it. Why is it that it takes an Ivan, rake, you go, we've got all these congressional staffers, all these Republicans, they're all sitting there. Why does it take Ivan to have to do that? Because people don't have the idea yet to just go and do it yourself.
Dan Bongino
And, you know, listen, I see it.
Ivan Raiklin
Like, peacefully buy the book professionally.
Dan Bongino
Smart.
Dan Bongino
Smart.
Dan Bongino
Because then they're gonna, you know, yeah. And then they're good. But then you're never gonna get access again and it's gonna ruin the whole thing. Like, it's perfect that you did it that way. Like, with this sense of just calmness. And the reason I played it on my show, what kind of crack do you smoke? Because you face it like it was a serious question.
You were like, mister Biden, what brand of crack.
Ivan Raiklin
That we already know he does smoke crack. It's just a matter of now we got to get some more detail.
Dan Bongino
Is there a spoon?
Yeah. Yeah. Is it? Right. So again, recommendations on this? Right. If we're ever going to go down this, I mean, you are the smartest.
Ivan Raiklin
Guy that the fake president knows.
Dan Bongino
I want to hear your advice.
So I say all the time on my show that political campaigns are snapshots and soundbites. They are the Jack Paso bigs, the Ivans, the dans. You know, we're voting Republican. Really? I mean, I've had to suck it up and vote for shitty candidates like Mitt Romney, the bushes in the past. I'm excited this time about voting, but I do it because, not because I believe Republicans are the solution to our problems, but Democrats are the cause. Okay, but we aren't the target audience. The target audience are people out there who are, you know, the Burger King. Mom and dads are at a soccer game. They take their kid to McDonald's. They don't do what we do. This is our lifestyle.
Ivan Raiklin
Yeah, we're nerds. We're in the.
Dan Bongino
Yeah, we are. And I always say, and I think you'd agree, Jack. Guys, why not say all the time, I don't have a real job. It's just not a real job. We do. There are men and women out there working for a living. Military folks, copse. What we do is not real. I love it. We work hard. It's not a real job. It's snapshots and soundbites. Because the people who are out there working real jobs, unlike us, that's what they see. A picture and a paper and a sound bite. But that's why that question and those things you're doing out there and you making those faces in the congressional hearings, that's why that's so important. That may be the only thing someone sees all day on Twitter. People work for a living. They're like us on Twitter all day researching stories. So that stuff's important.
Ivan Raiklin
You got to draw the attention of the people and then educate them. Once you got their attention captured, you can educate them on the serious, detailed, nuanced issues, like what's a motion to vacate the chair? No one has a clue what that is. How do you draw them in? You use a term like Speaker Trump and then they get their attention.
Dan Bongino
Right? Did you get, did you see there's like a feature on you out there now, like recently, last couple weeks, you know, what was it?
Ivan Raiklin
Who did it last week? Raw sewage. I think they're proud.
Dan Bongino
Yeah, Ross, it.
Ivan Raiklin
Raw sewage.
Dan Bongino
Yeah.
Ivan Raiklin
Anyway, reporters from Raw Sewage were trying to hit me up. And I don't communicate with, you know, single digit IQ. So called journalists. It's just not my style. Right. Yeah, but they, they actually, today, I posted it up on my ex today. Both of the people that did the hit piece on me trying to label me as the biggest, you know, the name calling, whatever.
Dan Bongino
Yeah.
Ivan Raiklin
Well, they confronted me over, you know, a couple blocks away by the Pfizer and they were shaking when they were. I got it on video.
Dan Bongino
You're always so scared whenever I talk to him in real life, these people come.
Dan Bongino
When you got up in his grill, they're all like, you know, when I left the White House one time for the, remember the RNC was at the White House, the national convention.
So I'm leaving. I'm walking out with my wife and remember, it was crazy. Like, antifa BLM was everywhere.
Dan Bongino
That was that the night Rand Paul.
Jack Posobiec
Yes.
Dan Bongino
They came up.
Ivan Raiklin
With killer violence.
Dan Bongino
Yeah, that happened every day.
Ivan Raiklin
We don't do any of that.
Dan Bongino
So we walk out and some guy's following us. I'm going to rape your wife. He's got a group of people around, so I lose it. I'm not trying to pretend to be a tough guy, but I was going to fuck this guy up. So I'm chasing him down the street. He's on a bike, and my old secret service friend Keith grabs me. He's like, it isn't worth it. My wife is in heels. She's like, trying to stop me. I'm like, I'm going to kick this dude's ass right here. Like, you're not. I'm going to show this guy. They are the biggest ever.
Dan Bongino
The best comment I heard on that video you was from scott Adams. He was talking about it, and I was listening the next day, and he goes, he goes, you know, I don't know if antifa's ever met a guy like Dan bongino before, because, you know, Dan Bongino is sitting there and he's going, all right, do I want to go after the big one first or do I want to gosh him and destroy him first?
Dan Bongino
And you go for the big one?
Dan Bongino
He's like, no, he's going to go for the big one first, and the rest are going to scatter like cockroaches.
Dan Bongino
I've been. I'm going to ask you if you're second. I got a Brian mask. Someone I've had. Brian, you want to come on for a second? Say a few words, man.
Ivan Raiklin
We look alike. There's no difference here.
Dan Bongino
My audience loves you.
Ivan Raiklin
I have one working leg, the other one's still recovering.
Dan Bongino
Hey, man, my audience.
Dan Bongino
Yeah, yeah. Hey, thanks for having me. Hey, good to see you, brother. See you on the way.
Dan Bongino
So I'm going to welcome Congressman Brian Mass. Brian, come on, grab a seat over here if you can.
Dan Bongino
Can we? Okay.
Dan Bongino
I just saw you speaking at the RNC. You were kind enough to come on over. How you doing?
Dan Bongino
A little bit. A little bit.
Dan Bongino
I happen to know you.
Grab a seat right there. So Brian happens to be also my congressman from Florida. It's District 18.
Brian Mast
Wants a microphone up their butt.
Dan Bongino
So, I mean, obviously no one understands the perils of warfare better than a guy like you who literally left limbs over there. So you be a good guy. And Jack, I'll get your take on this, too. We got about 1015 minutes left here in the show the Ukraine. How do you see the whole Ukraine situation? My take on it's been, I get it, Putin's not our friend. Like, I totally understand that. I think my issue with the funding and with Congress and everything is we don't seem to have any kind of a coherent plan. Do we give them attack?
Give them, but don't let them use them. Do we give them f 16s? Yeah, we're going to give them, but we're not going to train them right away. You know, we give them equipment. Yeah, but let's delay the funding. You know, what is winning look like? Well, we're going to get Crimea back. Well, what if that happens and he unleashes a nuke? It's like there doesn't seem to be a coherent battle plan. I'm wondering, for a guy like you who's left limbs on the battlefield, what's your take on that?
Brian Mast
Let me just start by confirming what you just said. There is not a coherent battle plan. As far as the future goes. I think you have, you know, a tale of two paths. If there's Joe Biden, right, the path is Putin probably just waits him out because the chances of there being another opportunity for or another chance of american funding getting through, I didn't vote for it before. I don't think you're going to get funding from America going through again. So I think Putin just waits that out one way or another. If you get Donald Trump, Donald Trump has red lines. Any foreign intelligence agency is going to tell to their leader, they're not going to gaslight their leaders. They're going to tell them Donald Trump's red line is Donald Trump's red line. So whatever he tells you on the phone, when he calls you after the election and says, be out of there in 24, 48 hours, whatever it is, he means business. And he's going to, he's going to do what he says he's going to do. So I think those are the two separate paths between them. But let me affirm what you're saying right now. America supports Ukraine to survive, not to win.
We're not supporting them to win. We're not. It's like the old, you remember Mister Miyagi, right, in karate kid? He's like, you know, right side of the road, good. Left side of the road, good. You know, you go in the middle, sooner or later, you know, squish. And that's what, that's what's going on here. We're not supporting them to win.
There's not a plan to say Putin has to be out of power or there has to be war crime tribunals, or there has to be russian nuclear demilitarization because they've elevated their nuclear threat posture numerous times, or there has to be in demilitarized zones along NATO borders, or they have to be out of Crimea or they have to be out of Ukraine. And total, none of that exists for 900 days. For the United States of America to say, this has to happen.
Dan Bongino
Yeah. Jack, your thoughts?
Dan Bongino
Well, I couldn't agree more. So I was in. I was in Ukraine about two months after the war started. And we went down and we rode the trains, we rode the rails down to Odessa. And then I was just literally, like, paying off people to get through checkpoints. And we went all the way down through to Mikolaev and then almost down to Kherson. And this is when the Russians were still in Kherson on that side of the river, before they pulled back and really hunkered down there. I could tell you the money that was coming in, the armaments that were coming in, people were asking me if I wanted to buy an AR 15. I'm like, first of all, I got a few back home. But what are you coming up to me here for and doing that? I'm just here to report. I'm here to tell you what's going. What I see, and they're like, oh, and you found out the scam is that this stuff would go over there and they were just releasing it out into the wild with no direct plan. Now, even prior to all of this going on, we knew one of the reasons that Ukraine was not eligible for NATO membership was due to endemic corruption, problems within the government. And in fact, you know who agrees with me on that is Vladimir Zelensky, because this is what he ran on when he was running all the way back in 2019, was anti corruption. And so you've got local governors, you've got all sorts of stuff going on. And to your point, Congressman, it's that we've got the stuff over there, but we've never sat down and created a coherent plan for what victory looks like, whether or not NATO would take a, take a role in leadership on that.
And then plus, the issue they have now, of course, as we're seeing more and more, is these manpower issues. And I don't like to give a lot of credit to Kamala Harris for her military and geopolitical prowess, but she had a point. There is something interesting you said about Ukraine's a small country. Russia is a big country. That's actually true. And so Russia has these manpower reserves, the conscripts that they can keep drawing on that Ukraine just doesn't have. And so it's a math problem. And she was a little bit, not for the right reasons, but she was a little bit right when she said that, because that's the situation they're in.
Dan Bongino
Over the truth.
Dan Bongino
She tripped over the truth. Yeah.
Dan Bongino
Jack, I want to thank you again for joining us. I want to end with a question for you, Congressman. Are you on any of the committees that are going to be looking into this secret Service debacle?
Brian Mast
So I sit on foreign affairs committee and I chair oversight on that. I don't think foreign affairs oversight will be looking at what's going on with that. And I sit on the transportation and infrastructure committee. Congress as a whole will be looking at this, no doubt about it, but it will primarily be focused on Jamie Comer.
Dan Bongino
Every member I told, we spoke to MTG, Lauren Bobert. Speaker Johnson was on my show earlier before Jim Jordan. I asked them all the same question. I want to pitch to you. You've been involved with congressional hearings in the past, Jack. You've seen them. They devolve into, you've seen it. Three minute filibuster, a ten second question.
I'm taking back my time. We get it. We get it. This isn't that issue. We almost lost the president. And by the way, this is nonpartisan. Joe Biden could be, God forbid, could be next. He's a Democrat. I don't want to lose anyone. I was a secret service agent for Obama, okay, and Bush. This isn't the kind of thing we mess around with. This isn't some third world republic.
Do you think I've gotten four out of five said yes, it would have their act together? One, not so sure. Do you think with this, given the gravity of the situation, that these hearings are going to be focused and directed? Will they get together kind of pre game this? I'm going to ask this. You are going to ask that. I mean, you've been up there now quite a few terms. You've got a sense of it. Please tell me that this isn't going to devolve into some, you know, total shit show up.
Brian Mast
One, no doubt both sides will pre game it. Now, whether they're pushing in the same direction or not, we'll be seen now what they can do to avoid, and there's a little inside baseball on. You don't have to do what you just described five minutes here, five minutes there. People are walking in and out. It's like two ships passing in the night. People are asking the same questions. And, okay, you're racing through it because you only have five minutes, and you're looking at the clock. The chairman can decide, and the committee should do this, in my opinion. I think Congress should do this often. Get your best prosecutor on the issue and say, okay, this individual is getting 30 minutes, and then we're going to 30 minutes for the other side, and then we'll go back to 30 minutes for this side and that kind of thing, and use your best prosecutors for the issues instead of, you know, fighting over. I need my five minutes, that sort of thing.
Dan Bongino
Yeah, I hope so. I hope so. By the way, thanks again for your service to the country. And how'd the speech go, by the way? We just show you on the screen.
Brian Mast
Such an honor to be able to be on the same stage as, you know.
Dan Bongino
Yeah, I just saw you, and it was Navarro after you.
Brian Mast
I don't know who was after me.
Dan Bongino
What did they give you? Is it five minutes or something?
Brian Mast
Just different for everybody, you know, kind of. How long do you want to speak? What do you want to speak about?
Dan Bongino
We'd like to have you don't respond. I'm not asking you to, but I just. Just want to say your name has come up multiple times for positions in an upcoming hopeful administration. We're not talking about any red wave stuff, but your name has been out there quite a bit, you know, given your experience with combat injuries and everything. And, you know, listen, someone asked me about that earlier today. I said, listen, the boss makes his own decisions. You know how the boss is. You know, he does what he does when he wants to do it, and that's his call. But I think we'd all agree, you know, and it's time to serve. You know, it's time to serve. And I just. I've heard your name quite a bit. Nobody understands some of these departments, you know, better than you do. And thanks for taking care of the water down in Florida. 18, ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you a lesson about politics. Having run and lost. Am I correct, congressman? All politics are local. Local. All politics are local. Not some politics. All of them. And the water in Florida is always messed up. We're finally getting our hand on this situation down there. This guy's been all over it. So. Thanks, Jack. Thanks for your time. Plug your show again. How do people find your show?
Dan Bongino
Human events daily. Check out the book Unhumans brother.
Dan Bongino
Thank you so much. Unhumans. Appreciate it, man. If you want to take it to the commies out there, that's the guidebook on how to do it. And Congressman, thanks so much.
Brian Mast
Dan. Take care home. And I hope government finds you in it somewhere.
Dan Bongino
Oh, I don't know. I don't know. A couple people asked me about that today.
Dan Bongino
We need a new secret service director.
Dan Bongino
I'm just saying, guys, what are we going to do about the radio show now that. Bring these guys with me, fellas, thanks a lot. Ladies out there in the audience. Really appreciate another banger show. Join us tomorrow 11:00 a.m. eastern, 10:00 a.m. local down here at the RNC for the podcast radio show. Follow soon after, and then we'll do another primetime show tomorrow night. See you tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in.