The Family Planning Debate Gets "Weird"

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Brad Milke
It's Tuesday, July 30. It's tough to go on offense when voters find you offensive. We start here.

Another red states abortion ban begins.

Rachel Scott
Democrats like Harris are certainly hoping that this drive voters to the polls and has them voting for Democrats up and down the ballot.

Brad Milke
Family planning comments from JD Vance have Democrats saying, this is weird, right? Voters in Venezuela say this is what a rigged election looks like.

Shannon Kingston
Anything but free and fair are the key words here.

Brad Milke
Nicolas Maduro is once again claiming victory and worrying leaders around the western hemisphere. And he kept getting hired by different police forces until he shot and killed a woman in her own camp.

Morgan Norwood
There are questions about missed red flags and why this officer was allowed on the force to begin with.

Brad Milke
Weeks after her death, the family of Sonia Massey is still demanding answers from police.

From ABC News, this is start here. I'm Brad Milke.

When Vice President Kamala Harris took over as the democratic nominee, it reset the race for the White House. And I don't just mean reset like there's a new candidate. I mean, if you look at the polling, these parties have kind of snapped back to where we always expected this race to be. A Fox News poll out just last night showed Harris and Trump tied in the battleground state of Michigan, 4949. Harris appears to once again be consolidating support among young voters, black men, labor unions, these groups that had appeared more and more not anti Biden, but apathetic toward President Biden in recent months. In many ways, Harris has this race looking more like a traditional battle between Republicans and Democrats. Well, one of the areas in which Democrats feel like they've got the clearest case to make where the average voter is on their side is reproductive rights. Well, yesterday, as a new abortion ban took effect in Iowa, Vice President Harris called out her rival directly. Let's go to ABC's Rachel Scott, who's been out on the campaign trail. Rachel, what is this new law taking effect in Iowa, first off? And how impactful is it?

Rachel Scott
I guess, yeah. Iowa is yet another state that has now enacted one of the strictest abortion bans in the nation. Brad. And so Iowa now has a six week abortion ban that is fully in effect. This has been a long legal battle in that state. And essentially, this means that abortion is banned before many women even know that they are pregnant.

Unidentified Speaker
I'm glad to see that this has finally happened. Iowa was actually the first state in the nation to pass a fetal heartbeat bill, but that was struck down.

Morgan Norwood
Women's bodies are more complicated than assigning a number of weeks and moving.

Rachel Scott
And so Vice President Kamala Harris, even before President Biden dropped out of the race, she was the leading voice for the administration on this issue. And so it's no surprise that she is putting this front and center. And she's drawing a link directly from that six week abortion ban to Donald Trump, who, of course, appointed three of the five Supreme Court justices who supported overturning Roe versus Wade. And she's putting this very bluntly. She says that these are Trump abortion bans.

Morgan Norwood
Well, stop Donald Trump's extreme abortion bans because we trust women to make decisions.

Brad Milke
About their own body.

Rachel Scott
And, Brad, the reason why Democrats are really seizing on this issue is because they're going back and they're looking what voters have said about it in every single state where abortion has been on the ballot, even conservative states. Brad, I'm talking Kansas, Kentucky, Ohio. The side of abortion rights has won every single time. Not only that, it could be on the ballot in as many as a dozen states in November, including several key battlegrounds. So Democrats like Harris are certainly hoping that this drives voters to the polls and has them voting for Democrats up and down the ballot.

Brad Milke
Well, and when we talk about, I mean, I'm thinking about family planning, Trump is no longer even the only name being mentioned by Democrats. Has JD Vance, Rachel, become kind of a lightning rod in his own right?

Rachel Scott
You know, Brad, this is not exactly the type of headlines that you want your running mate to be making, especially when he's so fresh in this race and so fresh on the ticket. But right now, you have Republicans kind of just clenching their teeth as many of these comments have started to resurface from Senator JD Vance. Brad, I don't even know where to start, but we could start with this one. That a comment that he made back in 2021, years ago, where he talked about Democrats like Harris and others who do not have children and referred to them as a bunch of childless cat ladies.

JD Vance
We're effectively run in this country via the Democrats, via our corporate oligarchs, by a bunch of childless cat ladies who.

Rachel Scott
Are miserable at their own lives and are trying to run the rest of the country, and in his words, make the country miserable, too.

JD Vance
And how does it make any sense that we've turned our country over to people who don't really have a direct stake in it?

Rachel Scott
Those comments have now come to light. And Vance has tried to play a little bit of cleanup, saying that it was a sarcastic comment, even going as far as to say he has nothing against cats.

JD Vance
Set aside a quip that I made three years ago. I believe in protecting all of America's families, whether you're a step parent or a parent.

Rachel Scott
And, Brad, it's not just those comments. ABC News was first to report on comments that he also made back in 2021, where he argued for a higher tax rate on childless Americans.

JD Vance
If you're making $100,000, $400,000 a year and you've got three kids, you should pay a different lower tax rate than if you're making the same amount of money and you don't have any kids.

Rachel Scott
So now you have a lot of people, I mean, on both sides of the aisle that are saying, okay, well, what is it with Senator JD Vance and people that do not have children? And Democrats are seizing on this? They are just pouncing on it, Brad. They're mentioning it out on the campaign trail in television interviews.

Unidentified Speaker
I think, you know, he apologized to Katzenhe. He hasn't apologized to women.

Rachel Scott
And it's gotten to the point where even Donald Trump himself has tried to do a little bit of damage control.

Unidentified Speaker
He's not against anything, but he loves family. It's very important to him.

Rachel Scott
But sort of making a nod to the fact that this is being talked about, it definitely puts republicans in a really uncomfortable situation where they want to be talking about the issues. They want to be talking about immigration, for instance, the economy.

But instead, they're talking about JD Vance's comments on childless cat ladies.

Brad Milke
Well, and when you hear those Trump comments which were mentioned on Fox last night, and even the Vance comments about childless cat ladies, that was a Fox interview as well. You sort of see this. It does seem like a worldview where to him, the nuclear family is so important to what America is. And yet, like, whose version of the nuclear family are you talking about? Right. The other thing that I'm noticing then from Democrats is not just pouncing on these comments out of substance, they're also just calling Trump weird, Rachel. Like they're using the word weird all of a sudden. Is that a departure from the last eight years where they've been calling him a threat to democracy? Like, is weird. The criticism you go with now.

Rachel Scott
Yeah, for the last, I don't know, 600 days, Democrats have been making the case that Trump is a danger to democracy. But now, as we have seen more and more of these commentary surface, there is a one line attack from Democrats.

Morgan Norwood
And some of what he and his running mate are saying, well, it's just plain weird.

Rachel Scott
And we're hearing that over and over again, not only from the vice president, but also from the Democrats and those vying to be her running mate who are out on the campaign trail reiterating that point.

Brad Milke
Rachel, isn't like, this sounds like something that you'd hear Republicans say in the past, but here it's Democrat. What is the rationale for, like, just being, like, we're gonna call you this name?

Rachel Scott
Yeah, Brad, you know, I will tell you, just being out on the campaign trail, Donald Trump sort of has this knack for saying these one or two word phrases that essentially just catch on like wildfire. His supporters start repeating it, republicans start repeating, repeating it.

Nicolas Maduro
Right?

Rachel Scott
And now we are seeing that this time, though, from Democrats.

Unidentified Speaker
These guys are just weird. That's who they are.

Rachel Scott
It's this one word just calling it all plain weird. And, Brad, it is catching on for the Democratic Party. And that is where they're putting a lot of the attacks from Republicans, calling them just flat out weird.

Brad Milke
The strategy is, I was gonna say weird, but I don't know what I'm supposed to say anymore. But it's kind of like you can imagine democrats are like, well, we had kind of this awkward candidate, and Trump was calling him out on that. Now maybe our candidate doesn't seem so awkward and, like, we feel like we can, like, point to someone's behavior more easily. I don't know. Rachel Scott, thank you so much.

Rachel Scott
Thanks, Brad.

Brad Milke
Next up on start here. Usually when you win an election, other world leaders call you up and congratulate you, but the US is telling its neighbors, um, maybe don't pick up the phone for Venezuela just yet. We're back in a bit.

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Win, lose or draw, I'm always gonna be the one having a smile on my face.

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There have been several big elections around the world in recent weeks, from the UK to France to Mexico, and whether people there are fans of their new leaders or not, no one was questioning whether the results themselves were legitimate. That is not the case in Venezuela.

Yesterday, for the third time in a decade, the country's far left leader, Nicolas Maduro, was officially declared the victor of Sunday's elections. But international observers say this was anything but free and fair. ABC's Shannon Kingston covers the state Department.

What should we know about this election here?

Shannon Kingston
Right? Well, anything but free and fair are the key words here. Now, the US has been pushing Maduro's regime to hold an election for years now. But in the run up to this, really, they were not on an even playing field. The very popular leader of the opposition party, Maria Corinna Machado, she was actually barred for running by the courts, which Maduro controls, by the way. So they had to put up a relative unknown, Edmundo Gonzalez.

Now, somehow Gonzalez managed to pick up steam. All of the polling was indicating that the opposition party was going to secure a decisive victory. But when the results came out, that was not what Maduro's government announced.

Brad Milke
People immediately came out and said there were irregularities with the count. I mean, what kind of irregularities are we actually talking about?

Shannon Kingston
Absolutely. Across the countries we had reports of arrests of opposition campaign workers, intimidation, vote suppression. Observers who came from around the world, including the Carter center in the US, kicked out of polling places. And then at the end of the day, when these polling centers were supposed to release a raw data backing up what they said their votes were, many of them just didn't do it. And it's required by venezuelan law.

Brad Milke
Well, and so what has the response been like in Venezuela? Cause I mean, we've seen people taking to the streets in past elections. We saw almost sort of a semi coup by more democratic opponent Juan Guaido several years ago that didn't work. I mean, is there a set, is that sort of thing gonna happen this time? Do we know?

Shannon Kingston
Well, there are concerns at this hour that supporters of the opposition party are going to pour out into the streets of Venezuela to protest what Maduro's regime says are the results of the election. But we haven't seen that quite come to bear yet. If it does happen and the past is prelude, Maduro's regime will likely shut them down. He hasn't hesitated to use brute force in the past. But, Brad, there also could be a sense of resignation among Venezuelans who say no matter what happens, if they turn out to the polls or not, Maduro will ultimately decide their fate in their future.

Brad Milke
How are other countries dealing with this? Shannon, both, you know, in the region and all the way up here in the US.

Shannon Kingston
Us officials were quick to come out and express their skepticism over the announced results of the election.

Unidentified Speaker
We have serious concerns that the result announced does not reflect the will or the votes of the venezuelan people.

Shannon Kingston
So what officials are doing now is urging the venezuelan authorities to hand over the precinct level data to back up what they say are the results. They say, hey, that should be easy to hand over the receipts if the election went like you say it went, Brad. At the same time, us diplomats are also courting latin american governments, encouraging them to express their own skepticism and hold back on acknowledging the purported result of the election until there's a little bit more information available. But Brad, really, Maduro is in control over every step of this process, basically. So he runs the election authorities in Venezuela. They've already come out and officially declared him the winner here.

Nicolas Maduro
Nicolas Maduro. Moro del gran polo patriotico octuo cinco mione.

Shannon Kingston
So no matter what the Biden administration does, it's very unlikely that they're going to be able to reverse course here.

As Venezuela's economy has struggled, a huge number of Venezuelans have emigrated out of the country. To places in Latin America and the US, almost 8 million of them. According to some polling data. About a quarter of the country's current population said a couple months ago that if Maduro were to secure another six year term, they, too, would leave the country. It's hard to predict whether that will bear out. But already, according to data provided by the Department of Homeland Security, Venezuelas have been making up a record number of irregular border crossings at the US Mexico border in recent months.

Brad Milke
Wow. And like you said, like, if there's an emigration, a mass exodus of people from Venezuela in September or October, you could imagine, of course, that having a huge effect on the US elections. So, Shannon Kingston, really helpful insight into just what an authoritarian regime in the western hemisphere even looks like. Thank you so much.

Shannon Kingston
Thank you, Brad.

Brad Milke
This weekend, hundreds of people gathered in several cities to mourn the death of Sonia Massey.

Rachel Scott
We're coming together to just kind of uplift the voice of black women.

Shannon Kingston
We can't let these, these murders go without notice.

Brad Milke
You might have heard about this. This is a woman from Springfield, Illinois, who called police to her home and was then shot by one of them in her kitchen. This was all captured on body cam footage. She was black. The officer who shot her was white. And in recent days, there have been several new details about this officer's track record, prompting questions about why he was even on the force as he arrived on her doorstep. Let's go to ABC's Morgan Norwood, who's been following all of this. And I want to warn our listeners that some of these details and some of the audio you might hear might be disturbing. But, Morgan, first off, can you just walk us through how this shooting unfolded earlier this month?

Morgan Norwood
Well, Brad, as you just pointed out, the video is absolutely horrific and very difficult to watch, let alone hear. But in this video, we basically know that Officer Shawn Grayson had showed up to Sonya Massey's door from a call about a prowler.

She was concerned that someone might have been snooping around her yard, around her home, and so she called police.

Brad Milke
Sheriff's office, the one you called.

Morgan Norwood
And what was interesting about this video, you hear the first couple of moments in the video, she says to the officers, please don't hurt me.

Nicolas Maduro
You called us. Okay, so what'd you hear?

Morgan Norwood
It's nearly six minutes long in terms of the interaction between Shawn Grayson and Sonya Massey.

Nicolas Maduro
What take you so long to answer the door?

Rachel Scott
Oh, I was trying to put on some clothes, sir. I'm sorry. I was trying to get.

Nicolas Maduro
I gotcha. All right. Is there anything else we can do for you?

Morgan Norwood
No.

Nicolas Maduro
Is there anything else I can do for you?

Rachel Scott
No, sir.

Brad Milke
Okay.

Nicolas Maduro
Okay. All right.

Morgan Norwood
According to Massey's family, she had experienced some mental health struggles within the days prior to this, even in the conversation. In exchange with former Deputy Sean Grayson.

Nicolas Maduro
You doing all right mentally?

Rachel Scott
Yes, sir.

Nicolas Maduro
All right.

Morgan Norwood
He asked her, have you had any mental health struggles? While she does answer no, she also struggles to answer some of the basic questions.

Nicolas Maduro
What is your last name?

Should not think about your last name.

Brad Milke
You're not in trouble.

Nicolas Maduro
I just need.

Huh. Masseye, you have an id.

Brad Milke
That makes things so much easier.

Morgan Norwood
You can kind of feel the tension rising in that room.

Judd Reedy
We don't need a fire while we're here.

Morgan Norwood
Former deputy Shawn Grayson points her attention to a pot of boiling water on the stove, and it appears at some point he gave her permission to go turn it off. We see her go into the kitchen, take the pot of boiling water off of the stove.

Brad Milke
Where are you going?

Nicolas Maduro
Away with your hot steam water?

Yeah. Oh.

Rachel Scott
I rebuke you in the name of Jesus.

Morgan Norwood
She also says, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus.

And that's when things turn left.

Nicolas Maduro
You better not.

Brad Milke
I swear to God, I'll shoot you right your face.

Drop the.

Unidentified Speaker
Drop the.

Brad Milke
Drop the puck.

Morgan Norwood
And that's exactly what we see play out during that video. Three shots were fired. According to the autopsy, she was shot just below her eye, directly in the face in a downward motion. And that's also important because in the video, we see her ducking down just moments before those shots were fired.

Brad Milke
Well, and you even described kind of like the tone. That's what struck me. Like this idea that no one was holding a pot of water until he mentioned it. He's acting like she'll use it as a weapon. His partner got ready to administer first aid after the shooting. He was like, nah, she's gone. Don't bother. What is the reaction to seeing this body cam footage from the. From the family of Sonia Massey?

Morgan Norwood
Well, we know that they've obtained representation by renowned civil rights attorney Ben Crump.

Rachel Scott
Instead of having an ounce of humanity.

Nicolas Maduro
He says that effing b was crazy.

Yeah, I'm good.

Brad Milke
This is crazy.

Nicolas Maduro
Where is the humanity?

Morgan Norwood
He's been on the forefront of this case. He's held several press conferences alongside the family.

Nicolas Maduro
She was loving, caring. She knew how to cook. Lover cooking?

Shannon Kingston
Yeah.

Nicolas Maduro
I ate it up every day. The best cooking ever ate. Go live.

Morgan Norwood
They are in agony. They are angry right now, and they have questions, but they told me that.

Nicolas Maduro
My mom she got shot in the eye, and it came out her neck. And they didn't tell me who. They were just saying somebody. They never would tell me who.

Morgan Norwood
Grayson, of course we know, has been fired. He's charged with first degree murder, aggravated battery with a firearm, and official misconduct in the death of Massey. And I'd imagine official misconduct charge relates back to the fact that the sheriff's office says that the shooting was not justified. Remember, they did their own internal review. We know the state is investigating, but there are questions about missed red flags and why this officer was allowed on the force to begin with.

Brad Milke
Yeah, let's. Can we talk about his background a little? Like what? Because it does sound like there were incidents prior to this. Right.

What are the sort of the. In their mind, are the most egregious issues here.

Morgan Norwood
Right. Well, for one, he's worked for six different police departments in the past four years. We know that he had a DUI in 2015 and another in 2016. Not only that, Brad, he was discharged from the military for misconduct. Despite all of this, he went on to work for six different police departments, and, it appeared, had a rough time keeping a job there.

You know, we've obtained audio files. We've obtained his employment records.

Unidentified Speaker
You got a report writing violation for policy.

You got an act accuracy violation for policy.

You got a standard of conduct violation for policy. And we're 48 seconds into this.

Morgan Norwood
It does show that in at least one of the agencies that he worked for, he did list his two duis, and they were flagged for the hiring process. Yet he still went on to serve there. And obviously, he still went on to serve at the Sangamon county sheriff's office as well. So, you know, the family is frustrated here. They believe that he should have never been fit to serve, should have never been handed a gun, a badge, and therefore believe that Sonia Massey would have been alive today had this officer not been on the force.

Grayson's attorney has declined to comment on the case, but we do know that the police union has filed a grievance on behalf of Grayson, alleging that he was fired without just cause. And so that grievance that we've obtained also says that they were asking for lost wages, lost benefits. And so it appears that, you know, that union is gearing up to fight. Grayson has pleaded not guilty in this case.

Brad Milke
Such a tragic case, and it's been compared to, you know, the case of Breonna Taylor. Right. Somebody who was in their own home, could not do much different, and yet got shot and killed anyway. There were so many calls for police reform, so many calls to make sure this type of thing doesn't happen again. And yet, here we are in Illinois. Morgan Norwood, thank you so much.

Morgan Norwood
Thanks, Brad.

Brad Milke
Okay, one more quick break. When we come back, what are you swimming through? Molasses? The curious case of a pool in Paris. One last thing is next.

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And one last thing. I don't know about you, but I've been in full Olympics overload mode. Like yesterday, I was watching tennis, then men's gymnastics, then women's volleyball, then surfing, then, of course, swimming. And swimming is great because there's so many events every few minutes, it seems like another breathless race for a medal. And while this year has produced some amazing races, we are not necessarily seeing a bunch of new world records, which is unusual. Humans don't get slower as a rule. Technology's constantly improving. So why aren't we seeing records drop like flies? Well, some observers say this pool seems just a bit slow.

Is that, is it possible for a pool to be slow?

Judd Reedy
Yeah, that is exactly the case.

Brad Milke
This is Judd Reedy, a professor at Georgia Tech School of Material Science and Engineering who actually teaches a class on engineering in sports. And Georgia Tech knows something about swimming pools. They hosted swimming competitions in the Atlanta 96 games, and they still boast the so called fastest pool in the country.

Judd Reedy
The Olympic village, was on campus. I was a graduate student at Georgia Tech at the time, and that was an awesome time for sure.

Brad Milke
So what makes a pool fast? Water, right? Well, Reedy says pool engineers fret endlessly about keeping that water calm.

Judd Reedy
You want to not have the other swimmers impact each other. So any sort of waves or wake or splashing or anything like that, you want that to not impact the body next to you.

Brad Milke
Now, a few splashes might not make a big difference when you or I are dog paddling, but think about it. When these elite swimmers are thrashing through the water, they literally create waves. Some swimmers describe riding the wake of others around. Some of those waves travel downwards, so as they bounce back up, it's like you have to swim through ever so choppy water.

Judd Reedy
If the pool's deep enough, two and a half. Somebody's done some calculations to determine that two and a half seems to be a magic number where that energy has dissipated.

Brad Milke
As it turns out, the Paris pool is not that deep.

The tiles on the bottom of this thing are only about 2.2 meters underwater.

Judd Reedy
That's about 7ft deep, which is not very deep. I mean, my pool in my backyard is deeper than that now, he says.

Brad Milke
The differences are tiny, but they could account for the slightly slower times we're seeing in this pool. He also mentioned that for a while, world records were exploding because of full body swimsuits, which could make you more buoyant and literally compressed your muscles, so you were narrower, cutting through the water. Those suits are banned at the Olympics now, much to his chagrin.

Judd Reedy
And as a material scientist, you're touching a nerve for me big time, because I want materials to make everything better, right? We've got technology to make better swimsuits, but there's opposition to that. And I'm like, well, let's go back to swimming in wool swimsuits then, if you're worrying about that.

Brad Milke
So if you thought world records define swimmers, don't worry. These athletes might not be quite as fast in this pool, but they're still stronger than ever.

By the way, as an engineer, he says he is fully in the corner of the pool designers here. He says, hey, Paris won the bid before these pool depths were even codified. And Georgia tech engineers, right. He knows the makers of these pools, which actually reuse parts and then ship these pools off to different communities after big competitions. Another way in which these games are considered more sustainable than ever. More on all these stories@abcnews.com or the ABC News app. I'm Brad Milke. See you tomorrow.

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