Primary Topic
This episode delves into President Biden's controversial new border policy which significantly alters asylum rules, reflecting a stark shift from previous Democratic stances.
Episode Summary
Main Takeaways
- Biden’s administration proposes a controversial cap on asylum seekers at the U.S. border, marking a significant policy shift.
- This cap is expected to be challenged legally, with significant opposition from civil rights organizations like the ACLU.
- Political pressures heavily influence this shift, reflecting Biden's response to both congressional demands and voter concerns on immigration.
- The proposed cap could lead to severe humanitarian consequences, particularly for those amassed at border cities facing dangers such as extortion and violence.
- This policy may not deter the desperate journeys of many asylum seekers who are fleeing severe hardships and threats in their home countries.
Episode Chapters
1: Introduction to Biden's Policy Shift
A detailed overview of Biden's new border policy and its implications. This chapter highlights the stark reversal from his earlier criticism of Trump's immigration policies. Brad Milke: "President Biden appears ready to turn away asylum seekers."
2: Political and Humanitarian Implications
Discussion on the political motivations behind the policy change and its potential effects on asylum seekers. Armando Garcia: "This has been a huge political liability for the president."
3: Legal Challenges and Advocacy Responses
Insights into the expected legal challenges to the asylum cap and the role of advocacy groups in defending migrant rights. Lee Gellert (ACLU attorney): "Any executive order that shuts off asylum would raise alarm bells and substantial legal problems."
Actionable Advice
- Stay informed on policy changes and their implications to better understand their impact on human rights.
- Support legal advocacy groups working to challenge unjust immigration policies through donations or volunteering.
- Engage in community outreach programs that help immigrants and asylum seekers adapt and find support.
- Educate others about the complexities of immigration law and the human stories behind migration.
- Participate in or organize local discussions or forums to raise awareness and influence local immigration policies positively.
About This Episode
Sources say President Biden is planning a landmark change to immigration policy, capping the number of asylum-seekers allowed daily. Congressional Republicans confront Dr. Anthony in a contentious hearing. And the “floating pier” designed to provide Gaza aid is out of service after barely a week.
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Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Brad Milke, Armando Garcia, Lee Gellert
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Transcript
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It's Tuesday, June 4. He campaigned against building a wall, but now he wants to shut the door. We start here.
After years of criticizing Donald Trump's immigration policies, President Biden appears ready to turn away asylum seekers.
Armando Garcia
People who are desperate don't really care about policies.
Brad Milke
What we know about a startling new shift from the White House, congressional Republicans grill Doctor Anthony Fauci does not deserve to have a license. Are they seeking answers or revenge? And a US plan to get meals to Gaza is barely afloat.
Anne Flaherty
This pier, I mean, for better or worse, is looking like the pier to nowhere.
Brad Milke
Why a dock worth hundreds of millions of dollars has literally fallen apart.
From ABC News, this is start here. I'm Brad Milke.
One of the defining policy legacies of President Donald Trump was his hope to make sweeping changes to border policy.
Donald Trump
They're not sending their finest, that I can tell you, and we're sending them to hell.
Brad Milke
Back on the campaign trail, you remember he advocated for keeping Muslims out of the country, for ending birthright citizenship. When he was in office, the Justice Department instituted a so called zero tolerance policy for illegal border crossings that ripped people, parents, away from their children so they could be prosecuted. And in the face of each of these proposals, the response from Democrats was swift.
Donald Trump
This is the first president in the history of the United States of America that anybody seeking asylum has to do it in another country.
Brad Milke
You can't simply shut the door to migration, they said, especially when these migrants are fleeing violence or persecution. That's what claiming asylum in this country is all about.
Donald Trump
You come to the United States and you make your case that I seek asylum based on the following, on the following premise, why I deserve it under american law.
They're sitting in squalor on the other side of the river.
Brad Milke
Well, in the last 24 hours, in the wake of a presidential election in Mexico, we have now gotten word that as soon as today, President Joe Biden is set to make a new announcement that would upend key parts of this country's immigration policy and could wait for it, shut the door on vast numbers of asylum seekers. This would be a big change, especially from a democratic administration. So let's go straight to ABC's Armando Garcia, whose beat is specifically, specifically immigration. Armando, I know you're on your way down to the border right now, so we'll make this quick. What do we know at this moment about this proposal?
Anne Flaherty
Brad?
Armando Garcia
And we also know that two border mayors, Brownsville Mayor James Cowan and El Paso Mayor Oscar Liser, have been invited to that immigration announcement. And here's what we know so far. Sources say that the order would limit the number of migrants allowed to claim asylum at the border when crossings or encounters reach a certain number. What that number is is still under deliberation. But we're hearing from some sources that it might be 2500 a day.
That is a drop in the bucket. That is not a lot of people being allowed to come into the United States on a daily basis.
During the height of this issue, we were seeing upwards of 60 00, 70 00, 80 00 or more migrants attempting to cross every single day, 2500. It's not a lot. But our ABC colleague Luke Barr is also reporting that people expelled after that certain cap is met will be removed to their country of origin and there will be some exceptions, including for children. But administration officials expect this to be challenged in court almost immediately. ACLU attorney Lee Gellert tells me that the organization still needs to see the executive order before making litigation decisions. But he says that any executive order that shuts off asylum would raise alarm bells and what he calls substantial legal problems.
Brad Milke
Wait, so how does it work right now? ARMaNDo so as of this moment, there's no limit on how many people can come to this country and seek asylum. But we see lines of people all the time. Right. So what, how does it usually work?
Armando Garcia
Well, Brad, I think this is very important for our listeners to know. Immigration law is so complex. And under the current law, even some migrants who cross between ports of entry, let's say, over the wall or through a gap in the wall and present themselves to a border patrol official, they may still be deemed admissible if they have a potential legitimate claim for asylum. It's unclear right now how this executive order would change that. Now the idea of imposing a cap on a certain number of asylum seekers that can claim asylum at the border, that is significant. Of course, we do expect that there's going to be exceptions for children or for other people who are at risk, perhaps people who show that they have a credible fear of being tortured if they are returned back to their country of origin or if they are not allowed to cross into the United States. We still don't know a lot about how that may change, but this is definitely going to change the landscape of what we know as immigration law, as what we know about asylum law. And I think progressives, even some Democrats and certainly immigrant advocates are keeping a close eye on this.
Brad Milke
Yet what led to this, I guess, Armando, like, there's been a lot of pressure on Biden to do something about immigration. Does this come from that? Is this something he's been wanting to do for a while, or why now, I guess.
Armando Garcia
Well, this has been a huge political liability for the president. Congress has been urging him to do more to curb illegal immigration. And we're just a few months out from the election, and immigration is one of the most important issues for the voters as they head to the polls. Some polls have Biden trailing Trump specifically because of the immigration issue. We've seen this happen in our own backyard. We know if 2024 has taught us anything, is that immigration can not only be covered at the border, we're seeing a surge of asylum seekers in New York City and Denver and these liberal cities with liberal mayors, Democrat mayors who are calling on the president to act.
Donald Trump
We need the national government to stand up. This is not a New York City issue. This is a national issue.
Armando Garcia
So while Biden hasn't been getting a break from those calls from those mayors to act on the border, he has been getting a little bit of a break on migrant apprehensions. The number of migrant apprehensions by Border Patrol at the southern border have decreased over the last couple months. In April, Border Patrol apprehended migrants 128,884 times. That's down from over 183,000 the same time last year. And just last December, it was around 250,000 apprehensions. This is, of course, a large part thanks to an increase of enforcement efforts by the mexican government in their attempt to prevent migrants from reaching the US Mexico border. We know that Mexico just elected a brand new president. We have yet to see how those agreements and how that enforcement will change once she takes power.
Brad Milke
Hey, and then last question, Armando, because if this general concept takes hold, forget the politics. What would it mean for actual, like, for people seeking asylum, for people coming up from South Central America and Mexico? What would this mean for them if a cap like this goes into place?
Armando Garcia
Well, look, people who are desperate don't really care about policies.
People who are desperate and who have made that trek for months at a time crossing oceans, crossing dangerous jungles, having to pay smugglers to get them to, to the US Mexico border. I don't think they're going to care much about this.
Well, I'm glad I've gotten this far because I know that I'm fighting for my biggest dream, to be a better person and help my family, which is what I want most.
I think they're still going to attempt to come. I'm not sure that this will really curb the number of asylum seekers that we're going to see. But what it could create is it could create a backlog of people who are in Mexico and some of these notorious cities like Reynosa and Matamoros and these camps where we know they're exposed to extortion, they're exposed to cartel violence. It could lead to an increase of families of people there waiting to perhaps ride out that cab, wait until.
Anne Flaherty
Oh.
Brad Milke
Cause they've been told like, hey, we're not taking any more, but if you wait, we'll take more next month or something. Now they're waiting for that.
Armando Garcia
Exactly. And if there is an exception for children, let's say, unaccompanied minors, advocates fear that this would essentially entice or encourage families to send their children alone as unaccompanied minors to give them the chance to cross into the US. And we know how dangerous that is. Brad.
Brad Milke
Wow. And we mentioned Trump. I mean, a lot of his policies were struck down in court. Those suits were often brought by Biden allies. Now many groups are vowing to fight these changes from Biden. Very conceivable. These challenges go on for months in an election year. Armando Garcia covering immigration. Thank you.
Armando Garcia
Thank you, Brad.
Brad Milke
Next up on start here, doctor Anthony Fauci says there are real debates serious people can have over the pandemic response. It's just that these aren't serious people. We're back in a bit.
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The further we get from 2020, the more questions there are about the handling of what was then an emerging coronavirus pandemic. What was the best practice on social distancing or masking? How much does a school shutdown protect the people inside? Well, to many, the face of a lot of these policy decisions was Doctor Anthony Fauci. As the head of our National Institute of Infectious Diseases at the time, as a leader of both Donald Trump's and Joe Biden's Covid task forces, it was under his watch that we developed highly effective vaccines that to date have prevented tens of millions of deaths worldwide. Well, yesterday, Republicans in Congress held a hearing.
Representative
Good morning and welcome, Doctor Fauci.
Brad Milke
This is part of the House select subcommittee on the pandemic on its face, a way to prevent mistakes from this pandemic from happening in future ones. But in practice, this also turned into a chance to grill Fauci in person.
Representative
Doctor Fauci, whether intentional or not, you became so powerful that any disagreements the public had with you were forbidden and censored on social and most legacy media time and time again.
Brad Milke
ABC Cheyenne Haslett covers health policy. She's with us now. Cheyenne, what exactly did republicans want to discuss in this hearing?
Cheyenne Haslett
Broadly, I would say it came down to Covid origins and a lot of the other pandemic era policy decisions you mentioned, like school closures and distancing, were not so much on the forefront.
Representative
It was interesting that you chose not to pursue an aggressive and transparent scientific investigation of both natural spillover and lab leak. We have been investigating both.
Cheyenne Haslett
The hearing brought Fauci into the public eye to clear up some legitimate findings from the subcommittee and some not so legitimate findings. Fauci had a chance to respond to it all. And the big takeaway is that he denies essentially all of the allegations related to the origins of COVID The accusation.
Dr. Anthony Fauci
Being circulated that I influence these scientists to change their minds by bribing them with millions of dollars in grant money is absolutely false and simply preposterous.
Cheyenne Haslett
The heart of this hearing was a senior colleague of Fauci's, who this subcommittee did essentially catch red handed on some policy violations, things like using a personal email so he could avoid public records requests, and engaging with EcoHealth alliance, which is a us based research organization. You've probably heard the name. It's long been a messy subject for its ties to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and its poor compliance with government grant policy that landed in hot water. That all said, the question at this hearing was whether Fauci had any connection to any of that.
Donald Trump
Doctor Fauci, did you ever delete an official record?
Dr. Anthony Fauci
No.
Donald Trump
Doctor Fauci, did you ever conduct official business via email?
Dr. Anthony Fauci
To the best of my recollection and knowledge, I have never conducted official business via my private email.
Cheyenne Haslett
He rejected completely that NIH funding was tied to any research in Wuhan that led to a lab leak and the pandemic at large. He said he still believes, like most government agencies that have investigated this, that the pandemic started because of animal to human spillover, not a lab leak, but that there's no way of knowing what happened in China at that time.
Dr. Anthony Fauci
I keep an open mind as to what the origin is, but the one thing I know for sure is that the viruses that were funded by the NIH, phylogenetically, could not be the precursor of SARS Cov two.
Brad Milke
It's interesting because it does sound like there are legitimate reasons to think it could have conceivably been a lab leak. And just like you said, a lot of the answers might be in China. But so then, I mean, was any of this hearing illuminating then? Like, do we learn anything? Or is it more about Fauci himself?
Cheyenne Haslett
You know, there were some interesting reflections on this larger debate too, which is that at what point does this conversation about the virus's origins cut into public trust in health experts in a dangerous way? Rather than help us move on and prepare for the next pandemic, we heard that from Fauci in his own words. And Marjorie Taylor Greene, representative in the House, who also sits on this subcommittee, clearly illustrated some of the vitriol he gets.
Brad Milke
6Ft, distancing and masking of children. Do you think that's appropriate? Do the american people deserve to be abused like that, Mister Fauci? Because you're not doctor. You're Mister Fauci. In my few minutes, she refused to.
Cheyenne Haslett
Call him a doctor until the republican chair essentially ordered her to.
Brad Milke
Because in my time, that man does not deserve to have a license. As a matter of fact, it should be revoked and he belongs in prison.
Representative
Don't believe suspend.
Cheyenne Haslett
And that all came in the context of a pretty sad moment during this hearing so, Doctor Fauci, can you please.
Anne Flaherty
Share with us the nature of the.
Cheyenne Haslett
Threats you have received since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic. Anthony Fauci, who I've now covered for four years, got emotional for kind of the first time I can remember, despite watching him publicly talk about this virus and its tragically high death toll and its impact, constantly there have been credible.
Dr. Anthony Fauci
Death threats leading to the arrests of two individuals. And credible death threats mean someone who clearly was on their way to kill me.
Cheyenne Haslett
And that was when his voice started to get a bit weaker and pretty quickly he just stopped talking and turned off his mic to collect himself.
Dr. Anthony Fauci
It is very troublesome to me.
It is much more troublesome because they've involved my wife and my three daughters.
Cheyenne Haslett
And that was a pretty, you know, remarkable moment for a man who has been so in the public eye.
There was one moment where he reflected on the fact that they were making all these decisions at the beginning in what he called the horrible situation of 4000 to 5000 deaths a day, and said that that doesn't mean that just because the tensions were so high, you can't go back now and look at everything that they decided and the duration for which they did it and ask was that appropriate and do we need to be examined? And so Fauci himself and the leaders of this subcommittee do seem to all be on the same page that a review is necessary to do better in the next pandemic. And I think it's a question now of whether that can happen or politics will continue to get in the way.
Brad Milke
Yeah, really interesting. All right, Cheyenne Hazlett, covering health policy. Thank you so much.
Cheyenne Haslett
Thanks, Brad.
Brad Milke
If you haven't been following the war in Gaza in recent days, well, something interesting has happened recently.
It started Friday when President Biden gave a speech saying Hamas has been effectively sidelined and outlined a potential path to.
Donald Trump
A ceasefire withdrawal of israeli forces from all populated areas of Gaza, release of a number of hostages.
Brad Milke
What this did, though, was it also put Israel on the spot.
Donald Trump
Hamas no longer is capable of carrying out another. October 7 is one of Israel's main objectives in this war.
Brad Milke
See, this is a deal that Biden says Israel had proposed itself, but they did it behind closed doors. So here was Biden suddenly making this public. Will flash to yesterday in a public address.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu refuses to end the war as long as Hamas still wields power in Gaza. So the war rages on. However, across the Gaza Strip, the threat to palestinian civilians isn't just airstrikes it's getting something to eat right now. The huge, expensive project designed to get urgently needed food and medicine to these civilians has literally broken apart. Let's bring in ABC's Ann Flaherty, who covers the Pentagon. And this is the floating pier that we had heard about from the US that was going to get all the aid that Palestinians needed. What is happening with that pier now?
Anne Flaherty
Well, Brett, if you remember, this was a huge announcement. State of the Union Biden comes out, he makes this statement, you know, we're going to build this pier off of the coast of Gaza.
Donald Trump
I can receive large shipments carrying food, water, medicine and temporary shelters.
Anne Flaherty
We hope it can deliver some 2 million meals a day, some 150 trucks that could come through and really help to make a dent in what experts were sounding the alarms on this possible famine in Gaza.
Now keep in mind you need about 600 trucks a day to come through into Gaza. And at various points in the past couple weeks, we've only had between 100, 200 at some point. And, you know, the US acknowledging this isn't enough, we need to do something. They made clear it wasn't going to replace these ground crossings because that was the most efficient way to bring an aid, but that this could still be something that would supplement that humanitarian aid coming in and would help people and help Gaza from falling into a state of famine.
Donald Trump
Aid will go, be delivered to the floating pier, then transported via logistic support vessels, delivered to the causeway and then put into assembly areas onshore. And that's where NGO's pick up that aid and then further distribute it.
Anne Flaherty
Then it just gets hit by challenge after challenge.
The first, of course, is weather. Then you had that israeli strike that killed seven aid workers with the world central kitchen.
Brad Milke
We need to make sure that the humanitarians doing this work are safe.
Anne Flaherty
You know, they put everything on pause for a few days with the bad weather. Then they're trying to figure out with the aid groups, you know, what are we going to actually do with the food once it arrives?
Finally, on May 17, the first aid shipment arrives off of this pier.
But most of the trucks actually wind up getting looted by desperate Palestinians. But then after about a week of it being operational, everything seemed to fall apart, like literally fell apart.
There was rough weather that caused a portion of the pier to break off and beach itself onto the Gaza coast. And then what's more is you had these two army boats that had been used to anchor the pier. They were also thrown against the shore with service members on board. And as of yesterday, the service members were evacuated off those boats, but those boats are actually still weighted down with water and sand. They're trying to get it off. Portions of the pier have actually been moved to Ashdod, where the Pentagon, as of yesterday, said that they're still trying to rebuild and put it back together. Then they'll move it back. And they've said that it's going to take some time. I would expect not until the end of this week, possibly next week, that it could be back up and running.
Brad Milke
Wait, so, Anne, this is bizarre because we had talked about how a floating pier is kind of immune from a lot of the horrors of war, and that's why it was going to be this bonus to have this pier floating out there. You're saying it's not even sitting in the water right now. It's in pieces at some port. I mean, what is the US going to do?
Anne Flaherty
Yeah, I mean, the Biden administration, to be fair, they say, you know, look, this is like a giant floating Lego kit that we put together. They did it in Haiti in 2010. They said it's not, you know, cemented down into the ocean floor. This isn't a permanent pier.
It's not going to be as stable as something that is permanent.
Dr. Anthony Fauci
Okay. It was never intended to supplant what you can do on the ground through trucks and getting those crossings open.
Anne Flaherty
We heard last week from the administration, national security spokesman John Kirby was telling reporters like, look, we know this is going to be tough. We knew that this was going to hit some challenges along the way, and we never thought that it was going to be the solution to everything.
Dr. Anthony Fauci
So far, I've gotten more than 1000 metric tons in just off the temporary pier alone, which, you know what, considering the weather, considering the complexity of doing it that way, the more multinode stop you have to do to move from ship to pier to truck to ground.
I mean, considering all that, that's still an impressive record so far.
Anne Flaherty
But, you know, I think it was very clear that President Biden wanted something to announce at the State of the union that showed that the US was trying to take steps to prevent this famine in Gaza from this humanitarian disaster from unfolding.
Brad Milke
Yeah, that's the thing.
This is going to be the question, right? As we look at this expense, as we look at the amount of aid delivered, was this ever a good idea or should we just have been pushing for Israel to keep their border crossings open?
Anne Flaherty
Well, I think that's exactly the question because what you're talking about is a thousand service members who've been deployed to make this happen. You talk about $320 million in taxpayer money. I mean, it almost reminds me of this debate we had years ago in the US about the bridges to nowhere. I remember when lawmakers in Alaska were pushing to use taxpayer money to build bridges that they ultimately decided weren't worth all the hassle. And then they canceled it eventually. Well, this pier, I mean, for better or worse, is looking like the pier to nowhere. It has in many ways, I think become a symbol of all of Biden's troubles in this war because on the one hand, it's in the US best interest to supply Israel with weapons and to not challenge it too directly. The US wants and really needs Israel to fight Iran and other bad actors in the region like Hamas, who see America as evil. But on the other hand, Biden needs to show that America isnt acting against palestinians and he wants to offer this pier as the solution. But at the end of the day, this pier is like us policy. I mean itself. Its complicated, its unwieldy. Theres no crystal clear alternative so long as Israel deploys the war tactics that it does to, quote unquote, wipe out Hamas.
And as long as Biden declines to change us policy, then, you know, here we are with this pier to try to and 1000 service members trying to reconstruct it to salvage this mission of getting food to the palestinian people.
Brad Milke
Yeah, I think what you said is becoming so crystal clear that this is all a result of political pressure. Right? The political pressure originally to aid Israel militarily, but then the resulting political pressure that comes when Americans are watching Palestinians dying in the streets and the pressure to do something about that. And now you have this kind of bizarre, expensive workaround that at the moment is just not working. Anne Flaherty covering this from the Pentagon. Thank you so much.
Anne Flaherty
Thanks, Brad.
Brad Milke
Ok, one more quick break when we come back. Quick, what do you think is the number two selling soda in this country? Well, the answer just changed. We got your caffeine jolt right here. One last thing is next.
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Brad Milke
And one last thing.
All my life, it's been very clear who is at the top of the soda pop business, right? Coca Cola, the longtime standard bearer, and probably Pepsi, right? Number one and number two. Well, now another company is saying, do you have a favorite soda? Did you ever reveal that here?
Donald Trump
People ask me that all the time. I do not reveal that, no.
Brad Milke
That is Duane Stanford. He's the publisher of Beverage Digest, a trade publication that tracks soft drink sales. And Duane says last year's data show that Pepsi is no longer number two in the soda wars. It's Doctor Pepper.
Armando Garcia
I drink Doctor Pepper. Don't you see?
Donald Trump
Our latest ranking for the first time put Doctor pepper, and that's regular doctor pepper at number two above Pepsi Cola.
Brad Milke
This has been a long time coming, he says. Doctor Pepper, once a beloved regional drink in the south, has since gained national appeal.
Donald Trump
The company's been very focused on its marketing. It's been very focused on its messaging.
Brad Milke
Demographically, younger multicultural americans appear to be gravitating towards spiced sodas more than old fashioned cola. But at the same time, this is really a story about Pepsi's decline.
Armando Garcia
You're the Pepsi generation.
Brad Milke
Back in the eighties, Pepsi had really risen to become a serious competitor to Coca Cola's dominance. I remember they were coming out with all sorts of new Pepsi products.
Armando Garcia
Have you ever tasted crystal Pepsi?
Brad Milke
No, actually, I haven't.
Anne Flaherty
It doesn't really taste like Pepsi.
Brad Milke
Well, fast forward a few decades and now 20% of soft drinks consumed in this country are regular coke, while doctor Pepper, Pepsi, and sprite are all around 8%. This is a fight for second, not first.
This, Duane says, is because Pepsi has been making a big bet.
Donald Trump
They've been really focused on their zero sugar portfolio. So Pepsi zero sugar, Mountain Dew, zero sugar.
They believe that's where the future of soft drinks are. That's where they believe young consumers are headed.
Brad Milke
That's right. Diet drinks like Coke zero, Diet Pepsi. They were not factored into these numbers. If you consider all of Pepsi's products, they're actually still number two behind coke. But as the diet numbers rise. It also means the days of good old Pepsi and Coke might be passing us by. Perhaps that's why we see so many bizarre flavors being desperately bottled for us nowadays. In just the last couple of years, Pepsi Cola has tried to push Pepsi. Maple syrup, Pepsi hot chocolate, pepsi peach, and even peeps Pepsi. Yeah, they're flavored like little marshmallow Easter treats. Executives seem to know it's a delicate moment in a fickle industry. And if tastes change, well, you're gonna get cammed.
Where's my RC cola at? Is my question. Yeah, give me that 25 cent soda any day of the week. Hey, something. Apparently a lot of people did not know this. The reason they're called soft drinks is because they're not hard alcoholic drinks. I just met too many people lately who didn't know that. So that's your wisdom for the day. More on all these stories@abcnews.com. or the ABC News app. I'm Brad Milke. See you tomorrow.
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