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Laci Mosley
Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the payroll. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall. And as always, stay scheming. Scams cause robbery and fraud. Scams, cuns robbery and frauds.

Scam goddess. Welcome back, congregation. It's time for another installment of scam goddess pod. It's your girl, scam goddess, here to give y'all the tea on all things robbery. And I'm super excited.

Say it with me, guys. I'm super excited for our guests today. If you've been watching, bless this mess. If you've been watching insecure. Why did I say insecure like that?

Langston Kerman
No idea. But I loved it. Say it like that every time. That's so good. Insecure.

Laci Mosley
Well, you've already heard now, guys, we have Langston. Langston, how you say your last name? I should have asked this kermit. It's just very phonetic. I didn't know.

Langston Kerman
Straight up and down. Come on. No, I'm not creole. Ain't no French in there. You had a light skin, so, you know, you might have been Creole.

Laci Mosley
I didn't know. I wish I was Creole. That should be my scam, is just telling people I'm Creole from now on. That would be fun. That's funny.

Cause that's gonna tie into what we talk about later today, so I think you're gonna enjoy this. I love a good Cajun scam. Let's get into it. Not occasionally. It's like, what is that?

That seasoning sauce? That's, uh. It's, like, got that little. It's in, like, in a green. You know what I'm talking about?

Every black family has this seasoning sauce. It's in a green bottle or not bottle, but, like, a green container, and it's got a little chef on it. I can't remember what it's called. It's Creole sauce. I don't.

Langston Kerman
No, I feel less black than I, uh, I was the day before. But that's crazy. Cause you host a very black podcast. I do host a very black podcast that we just talk about conspiracy theory and nonsense rooted in conspiracy theory with black people. It's a great time.

Laci Mosley
Yes. Well, wait, so do you have any relationship with scams? Huh? I been scammed. I have.

Langston Kerman
I have been the recipient of scams. I guess the victim of scams, I think, is the correct word. I remember. This is. Maybe this is.

Yeah, the blood. I was blessed with someone else's scam in my life. I like that. My. I remember the only scam.

Scam that I think I ever tried to pull was in fourth grade. Me and my friends collectively decided that we were gonna steal a girl's purse in class. We weren't gonna steal it. We were just gonna hide it for the day and then that. And hide the money in your pocket?

We didn't take the money. She. It was fourth grade, so she was broke, and she was unemployed. Understandable. It wasn't a big come up for anybody, but it was just like, oh, shit, we don't like her, so we're gonna hide her purse.

And then we all got suspended from school, because apparently you can't do that. That's what the teacher and everyone involved told us. Wow, that's so gross. Were y'all black?

The victims. I'm calling myself the victim in this. The people who were suspended. Two out of three of us were black, but we stole a white girl's purse. Oh, you should have known better.

Laci Mosley
Where did you come up in, where. You grew up in? You know, I'm from the suburbs of Chicago. I was learning blackness as I went. You know what I mean?

Langston Kerman
I got a white father. He did his best to introduce blackness to me as best he could, but, no, I had to learn as I went along. Wow. Okay. So I take it that you have a black mother.

I have a black mother, yes. Okay. She's been black this whole time. That's correct. Okay.

Laci Mosley
Yes. You know, there's a joke that it's. I feel like I can say it because enough people have co signed it, but of my mixed friends, but they were like, you can always tell when a black girl has a white mama versus when she has a black mama. White white mom syndrome is very much a thing. And I know a few people who, you know, you look at the heroes of America, and quite a few of them suffer from that, where it's just like, they do some cool shit, but then you see that white mom shit come out real fast.

Hey, no shade to white mamas with black children. We not shading y'all. We just stand. Oh, I am shading you. Okay, well, I consider this a cloak of darkness over you, because it's lots of shade on my end.

Don't get me in trouble. You know, my listeners are like the peloton community. Okay? You go get me cancelled. Okay.

Langston Kerman
I apologize. Enjoy your 30 minutes rides this morning and your 30 minutes rides this evening. I got you. Look, I don't want to be a reductress headline, okay? I'm trying to keep my life together, so let's get into it.

Laci Mosley
Actually, hold on. I have to take a petty pullover. I have to pull over one moment for some pettiness. This goes out to on TikTok. I see you, bitch.

I see you stealing my merch. I see you scamming me. She made a video with my audio where she is designing merch for the merch that I have. Merch for leg 2020. I mean, I don't really see any coins from that.

They were donating it to Black Lives matter. And it's just like there's a whole, you know, whatever. So it's not like you're stealing my money, per se, but don't steal my things, okay? I'm disenfranchised. Okay?

Langston Kerman
What's her name? Fuck you. How dare you steal her merch? This is just a petty moment. Cause it was.

Laci Mosley
It got, like, 1.2 million views. It's the most viewed video that she's had. Just kept tagging me, and then she turned off the comments, and I was like, ugh. So you turn off the comments so you know. You know what you doing?

And I don't know. I'm. On one hand, I respect you. I fucks with you. On the other hand, I'm mad.

I don't know how to feel. As a fan of scammers, you have to respect a scammer at work. But on the other hand, you're the victim now, much like me. You have to. You have to weigh in.

Langston Kerman
Are you just receiving this scam, or are you truly Lacey? You're scamming because you weren't the victim. You planned to steal a little white woman's purse. Lacey, Lacey, Lacey. I didn't come here for semantics.

I came here to talk about scams. What are we doing? I love it. I love it. On that note.

Laci Mosley
On that note, let's get into it. All right, so we've got a listener letter for what's hot and fraud. And this comes from someone who wants to be named Nancy, aka Nancy Drew. That's what she named herself. So I was like, okay, Nancy.

Langston Kerman
That's a bold choice. Nancy Drew was a hell of a detective. You coming in hot, right? Was encyclopedia brown a detective? I've never heard of that show, but I saw that reference recently.

Encyclopedia Brown, I believe, was a detective. I only knew it as books. I think it was, like, a series of books about a young white man, young white boy who was gonna do Scooby doo type detective work on his. Just volunteer work, which I don't trust that shit. Any little kid who wants to, like, play cop, you a bad dude.

Fuck you. Right? Like, you getting in the cop too early. That's just, like, how they be choking cats, you know, seeing how much they can murder at a young age. Where's all this?

You like the police this much that you wanna. You wanna pretend? Fuck you, encyclopedia. For free. For free.

Laci Mosley
For no coins. So Nancy Drew says, I found your podcast completely by accident two weeks ago, and some really nice things about the show. I'm only reading the thing about her finding the podcast two weeks ago because this is the only reason. I'm not gonna drag you, Nancy, because if you were a longtime listener, then I would have to really just drag you for this. Sure.

So I'm gonna be kinder to you, maybe. I don't know. Langston seems to like to drag people so we might end up having to just. Nancy, I want be. I'm sorry, Nancy.

Langston Kerman
So I'm sorry. I'm sorry as well, because you about to get cussed the fuck out. But go ahead, Lacey. Finish. Finish the letter.

Laci Mosley
Not cussed out. Anyways, getting straight to the point a few days ago, and I absolutely don't mind if you laugh at my expense. Well, thank you, Nancy. We was gonna do it anyway, but thank you. I'm glad you enjoying it.

That's what I like to hear. Good sport. She says, I was a damn fool. Come on, girl. She said, oh, yeah.

And this is what she tells me. Call her Nancy. Okay, so this is a twitter scam that I discovered a few days ago, and I thought I should share this b's with Lacey. I want people to be aware of the gross individuals out there preying on people's desperation during these times. So on the show, we always talk about the Despo meter.

Yeah, so that's like, if you think something is suspect, but you're like, mm, I don't know, I should try it. It's like this moment where you think about how bad you want it. Like, if you want something real bad, chances are you're more desperate and you're more likely to get scammed. And that goes for everything. You know what I mean?

If you lonely, then, yeah, you're gonna let the guy with a questionable hygiene and, you know, like, maniacal place to live come over to your house and dick you down. You know, it's like when you. If you're horny enough and you. You start getting those tabs that open up when you go on websites, and it's like, it's some. It's some thick asians near you.

Langston Kerman
Wait a minute. Oh, am I. Am I bold enough to click on this picture of a thick asian woman who may in fact, be near me? I got you. Despo meter.

I've made sense of it. You did? It was a very specific reference. We'll take it. But yes, if you aren't clicking on singles near you, hot, horny Milfs.

Laci Mosley
Why can I rattle off so many of these? I don't. Anyway, we're just not about me, Nancy. So Nancy says that I've been retweeting all of these giveaways and quotes I've seen. Like the ones saying, giving away $5,000 must be following me, and blah, blah, blah.

A few days ago, I had woken up to a message that said, I won. Whoa. Right away, I'm like, no way is this real? Now see, Nancy, that could have been. You could have opened your phone, close your phone back, and this would have been over.

That's all you had to do was hit the home screen. Sis, you knew you didn't have to invest further into this. You could have walked away, Nancy, but. I'm glad that you did. So they're literally using a sweet face grandma as the profile pic.

I'll attach pics to this. Okay? But the sad little part of my brain. Oh, sorry. But this sad little part of my brain that is just way too trusting and wants to see the best in people was like, hmm, what if.

Dude, seriously fuck that voice in your head. Cause it fucks shit up you. Right, Nancy, it's like you say, everything is a scam. Yes. So you know I can't drag you.

Cause you knew better. So she says, I should have been out here questioning everything. All right, sis, let's get to it. So she says, I messaged. I'm eating potatoes.

It's a lot of her turmoil. We gotta let her get it out. Just like I had to fight with who's probably 15 on the podcast. She had to get her hands. But listen, that don't mean you can't get these hands, 15 or not.

Langston Kerman
You can still get fist fought. You give us back Lacey's merch, it's done. Your little scam is over. Continue, please. Tell me more from me.

Laci Mosley
Right. Thank you. You lucky. You lucky. I got zoom University right now.

Otherwise, I'll be pulling up, okay. To a park near you. So here we go. She says, I messaged one of the people, and they literally responded in like three or four minutes. Yeah, because it was thirsty.

That was another red flag. And she sent me this sketchy ass message saying something about a bitcoin transfer, some absolute fucking dog shit. Okay. Damn. She get mad now, she said.

But basically she was telling me that I had to send dollar 50 and receive the payment right away and some other b's about her paying off her mom's medical bills. I'll send you the screenshot. This shit is unreal. Anyway, so she. So she's supposed to be winning $5,000, right?

And then as soon as she gets to the DM's, she's like, okay, hey, give me the coins. And she's like, actually, you know, my, uh, my auntie broke her leg and she got sciatica, and we need $50. And that's the thing. I think that. Here's the thing.

Langston Kerman
The government, whenever they give me my tax returns, they never, uh, preface it by being like, hey, by the way, we. The government hurt our ankle earlier. So just keep that in mind as you receive this money from us. That doesn't make sense. They're not the.

You don't get to tell me about your problems if you're giving me a gift, right? And it's not a gift. It's your own fucking money that they stole for a tax free loan. Sure. The government is that.

Anyway, it's the only scammers I believe in. So anyway, right? Listen, I don't think the government is. I don't think the government has ever done anything wrong to anybody. I like their work.

I feel like the money that they give back to me is a sweet treat that I didn't deserve. But thank you, papa government, for giving it back to me. And you goddamn right, I'll work to service you at all times, in all ways. Wow. Wow.

Laci Mosley
We got a real bootlicker on the show today. I love you, daddy government. Thank you, Uncle Sam. Anyway, okay, so she says, I'm still suspicious, and yet I'm saying, but what if. Ugh.

Come on now, girl. Why are you still suspicious? This is beyond suspicion. They told you they were robbing you. They said, hey, we're here for robbery.

Would you like to sign up? We've got a robbery on aisle three, please. Right? So she goes, the fuck? I don't have $50 to throw away, but maybe I'll send ten.

So she responds saying she would then only be able to send me back 2000. Lmfao. I deadass went into my cash app. Oh, you black. I, deadass went into my cash app and sent her $25.

And this is where you have the full right to laugh at me. The payment fucking declined. So she went into cash app, which is the shadiest of all the apps. Cash app is for crime. That's what the c stands for.

Langston Kerman
Well, can you break down the hierarchy for me? Because I do agree that I think cash app is the. The lesser of the transfer. Where's the top? Where are we at in.

I'm a venmo, man. I like venmo. Is that a good one? Venmo is in the middle class, okay? For sure.

Laci Mosley
I feel like the top is PayPal. Oh, yeah. Cause, you know, PayPal really? Like, it feels like almost like a bank. Like, they'll stop transfers.

They'll be like, this was shady PayPal. Be like, we beat this nigga up for you. Like, so they feel like number one in protection and security. Sure. Then you got Venmo which is like, you know, colloquial.

It's like, hey, send me money for the wine or let's split those apps. You know? That's cute. It's your everyday, every day. I got you trustworthy.

Then you got cash app, which is definitely for crime. It's where you go and you pay your weed, man. But you say, like, dog walking services or, you know, whatever. Cause I feel like Venmo checks on that too much. Cause I used to have friends who got kicked off Venmo because they were joking.

Like, Venmo me and be like, for drugs. And then Venmo was like, oh, Venmo. Can kick you off. They can kick you off. They say, we can wait on Mark Zuckerberg's app.

Langston Kerman
That's crazy. Because I'd be sending prostitution to my mom all the time. She'll, like, ask me for some money, I'll send her something wild like prostitution. And they've never said anything to me. They must know that there must be fine with me being a prostitute.

I guess that's really. Yeah, they must believe that you're running. Listen, ain't no business like ho business. And you and Venmo respects. Venmo was like, look, we're not sending all of our workers to onlyFans, okay?

Laci Mosley
So if y'all want to get y'all's Venmo's for these feet pics, y'all go right ahead. Listen, drugs, no deal. But prostitution? Go crazy. We know what you're doing.

Langston Kerman
Go ahead. Sex work should be legal. So I actually fucks with Venmo for not stopping you for that. So let's go, Venmo. I'm down.

Laci Mosley
But then after that, I think it's western union. Cause that's really where you go when you're like, you gotta show up in person. For the most part. Western union is time for crime. You go in there, you know what you're doing.

It's seedy. Everybody knows there's bulletproof glass. It ain't. Ain't nothing good happening in a western union. That ain't anywhere you go where there's bulletproof glass to protect the workers.

It's just not. There was a KFC like that in Pittsburgh or somewhere where, like, if you went that, you had to, like, open up a drawer. Yeah, the old spinny drawer. Yeah. The drawer opened to the other side, and that's how they sent you your food.

And it was like five inches of bulletproof glass. Yeah. That's because five inches of niggas got shot in there. And they needed to make up for what had happened in the past. I get it.

Langston Kerman
Good for you. KFC for protecting that. That moist chicken that you keep serving.

Laci Mosley
Oh, gosh. So back to this letter. Cause we have made a departure. So remember, she tries to haggle. She's like, okay, I can't send you 50.

I can send you ten. She's like, okay, bet. Well, if you're not gonna send me 50, I can't send you 500. So I'm gonna send you 2000. So then she's like, you know what?

Okay, I'll up it to $25. What can I get for 25? How much money will you give me for $25? Cause you know how money works. You know how it works.

Langston Kerman
What's the ratio here? Hook me up. I'm trying to get paid. You know, I bought some money with some other money. I bought $2,000 with $25.

Laci Mosley
So she tries to send the payment and cash app, shady ass is like, we don't trust it, which means that it's very, very bad, because cash app is like, we'll let it slide. They're like, oh, this seems shady, but we'll let it go. It's none of our business. They mostly turned the other cheek. So they blocked the payment because it was in a sketchy account.

Right? Then I go, ooh, I have PayPal, too. God damn, lady. What are you doing, Nancy Drew? Come on, now.

Nancy said, why the fuck am I like this? She said that? Oh, good for her. Okay. She knows, all right.

She's aware. She's aware. She said, yeah. So I sent them the money. I ultimately thought, okay, if I lose this dollar 25, I will gain the information I needed to fully understand the scam.

Langston Kerman
I love that. Tell yourself anything. If I pay this person $25, I will learn I'm dumb as hell officially. I will learn just how goofy I am, and it will be documented for all of time. Listen, they don't teach you how dumb you are in school.

They don't. That's a fact. That's the problem. They teach us that we are more capable than we actually are. They tell us we have all the potential in the world, when, in fact, they should be like a dog.

You don't read as well as you think that you do, and so you should enter every reading situation with less confidence and see where that gets you as a person. Like, maybe caution or like, you know, it's not even about being bad. It's just that in America, we're always trying to teach our kids that like, you can be anything. And it's like, no, I couldn't have been a statistician. Like, I.

Laci Mosley
You know, I can get the basics of numbers past calc somehow, but I couldn't have done that job. I couldn't be a NASA scientist. No, I think we gotta be like, you know what? You will be great with a wrench. Here's the wrench.

I think you get to tightening them desks up during recess. Listen, I'll crush that interview. I'm good at being sociable and present, but once it comes to the real work, nah, I'm gonna fuck that up. So maybe somebody should tell me that early, right? So I don't waste my time trying to be a astronaut, engineer, or my favorite scam job that the children.

I don't even know where kids learn about this, but we all did. A marine biologist, every little nigga that was eight years old wanted to be a marine biologist. I remember. Speaking of scams, I remember in college, I had come to my final semester and realized that I had 20 credits that still needed to be filled. And so I was like, that's a lot.

Langston Kerman
It's a lot. And I was in desperation mode to try to take whatever class was going to. I had to take, like, six or seven classes that semester to make it all work. And one of the classes I signed up for was biology because I was like, man, I love fish. I love whales.

This is going to be easy. It turns out it's actually a lot more complicated than fish and whales and not at all an easy science. So, yeah, we were all dumb for thinking marine biology was like, some casual thing that we could sign up for. Cause it absolutely was not. I wanna show you this old lady, but I don't know if you're gonna be able to see her from my phone.

Laci Mosley
This is real ghetto. I don't know if you're gonna be able to see this. Can you see this, Izzir? She got them glasses. I see you.

Yeah, this is the lady that homegirl said. This is the photo, and her name is on Twitter. Guys. So if is doing a giveaway, she's not really doing it. And I'm gonna give y'all her whole handle.

Cause I'm petty. It's.

This is all allegedly. Allegedly. She ran a scam on somebody. We only have the facts that we have. But you can't sue us.

Cause we said allegedly. But, yeah, so this is messy. So she. So when they're talking, she's like. She goes, it's needed for bitcoin.

Verification. You have to. Okay, so this was. I hope you have the $50 for the bitcoin verification, just like she said before we proceed. And she was like, $50 for what?

I don't have an extra $50 lying around. This is Nancy. Nancy's definitely black. That's just a. Such a black way to say that.

I don't got an extra $50 lying around. This is how we talk. So she said it's needed for the bitcoin verification. You have to put in $50 on your cash app balance so it'll send you a tag to send it to so I can receive the bitcoin and get the payment completed. This way you'll know that it's real and legit.

Langston Kerman
It's too many steps, dog. So I see how she phrased it. I see how she phrased it. Like, the steps the minutia got you caught up, Nancy, because she was like, okay, so this what you got to do. First of all, Mark Zuckerberg is gone.

Laci Mosley
Get started. Like, way too far away from the $5,000. It just all sounds like. You remember die hard three where he had to go from, like, mailbox to fucking phone booth. It's just too many steps.

Langston Kerman
Just give me my goddamn money. That what we talking about. No, you gotta go to the mailbox, and then you gotta go to the phone booth and then the fire station. Yes. That's too much.

Shit. Just give me my cash. You said $5,000. Give me the ratio of whatever my $25 is gonna get me, and let's move on. Right, but I.

Laci Mosley
So, guys, this is another reminder that when you're this desperate. Look, the universe came through for Nancy. Cash app blocked it. God, actually, cash app's the devil. The devil blocked it.

Langston Kerman
You know what I mean? Hey, this too much. I'm on. I'm off. As for me, I'm out.

I can't do it. That's too much. The devil said, 2020 has been a great year for me. I really came up when we talking about just, like, evil and souls, you know, we're in the red. We're in the red.

I don't need this one. You know what, Nancy? You could chill. I'm a look out for you real quick. And Nancy said, no, no, I've got a better app.

I've got a different way of contacting you that won't block my blessing, please. See, the devil said, dollar 25 ain't even enough for them to bother. They said, we don't get out of bed for less. Than right. Are you kidding me?

We're giving brown people hysterectomies in Texas? You think I give a damn about your dollar 25, Nancy? But no, Nancy was like, you gonna take my 25? Yet? She persisted.

Laci Mosley
She said like, honestly, Nancy, I don't know if you got scammed. It seems like you were like, no, who wants to take me? Who? It's like you went outside and were like, I'm trying to get jumped. I don't care who.

Langston Kerman
I don't care where. Somebody jumped me. Please beat me up. Yeah, Nancy, you really, beyond asking for this, you kind of begged for it, so. And that's okay.

Laci Mosley
That's okay. I hope you felt something. Cause right now in quarantine, it's just good to feel something, you know? That's fine. I had some flies get into my house because I left.

It was. This is terrifying. I didn't know. I didn't know this was this kind of podcast, but go ahead.

They're called bottleneck flies and. Or bottle flies. And one got into my house, and then I, like, left town for the weekend and it, like, went in my trash. Wasn't a lot of trash, which is why I left it, because it was just like, I think there was, like, a couple things in the bottom. It, like, fucking made a home in there and then had all these fly kids.

Wow. And I woke up and I didn't know where these flies were coming from. And I keep my house clean, so I'm like, bleaching everything again. I'm like, where the fuck are these flies coming from? Then I had to murder them all.

And so, yeah, gang, gang. So I had this, like, eco friendly, like, spray that didn't harm me, but killed these flies so quick. And when I tell you, at a certain point, I was having fun, it felt like I was playing Call of Duty. And then when they were all dead, I was like, damn, now what do I do? Yeah, you know, that was the thing as a kid, I remember they used to always say video games are addictive.

Langston Kerman
And then people, like, fought back and they were like, it's not addictive. The culture in America creates a system where we would believe in violence or lean towards violence. Video games are not the root of it. But a part of me was always like, I don't know, dog beating up prostitutes on Grand Theft auto. That shit's pretty addictive.

It's pretty. I don't know. I'm not saying it's the source, but it ain't not a part of it, right? I wish that they would take that out. Especially because it's just the stigma of sex work.

Laci Mosley
Like, I really hate that that's still a feature. Now, I can't say that when I was eleven, I wasn't doing it. And an eleven year old should not be doing that. No. And that's what I mean.

Langston Kerman
I don't know. It certainly isn't a good thing. And I don't know that it's like the core of our problems as a society, but it definitely ain't helping. You're not creating a positive, healthy narrative around this thing much in the way that you murdering these flies didn't make you a more peaceful person out in the world. It may not have made you a monster.

You're probably not going to kill a human being. But you've thought about it now that them flies are dead, you've considered it. Look, I did consider, like, I don't know, letting a fly in just to kill. Yeah, come on in, big dog. Look, I tried to let some free.

Laci Mosley
I let some. I was trying to take them fries to freedom. I was the Harriet tubman of the flies. Okay. And I just want to be canceled.

Sure.

And then it just didn't work out. But, guys, if we're allowed to come back for the rest of this podcast, we'll be right back after some non scam advertisements. Scams. Ooh. Do you feel that in the air?

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And I feel like, Langston, like you might be a little clairvoyant, okay? Because earlier when you said you pretending to be Creole or that you would like to. I'd like to. I don't have that much confidence, but I would like to. And someday I'll earn that chance.

I think this is your time. But speaking of pretending to be people, today we're talking about Jessica Ann Krug, the former associate professor at George Washington University who claimed various identities within blackness to further her career as a black historian, even though she is a white person. I've heard about this lady. I'm excited. They're calling her poser parks.

Langston Kerman
The Internet. You know, I'll say this. The Internet always finds a new way to make things exciting. And this could have been a very hurtful story that devastated a lot of people because black people were overlooked for work. This lady was able to scam her way into a lot of positions of power and success.

But then we get some funny shit on the back end, so I don't know. Maybe it's worth it. Let her shine. Times are dark if you're giving black people a laugh. I mean, okay, yeah, you stole jobs from us, but we also got that laugh.

Laci Mosley
I don't know. Hey, you a silly Billy. Keep going. I love it. We actually have footage of her as Jess La Bomballeria, a self given nickname with, at best, apache accent, doing a zoom in the New York City council testimony as she speaks about gentrification and shouts out her black and brown siblings.

Oh, and there's some fun comments, so maybe we'll see some of those too. I love it. Okay, let's look at this, or y'all gonna hear it. That's all you need. Anyway.

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I'm Jessa Bombalera. I'm here in her barrio, East Harlem. You probably know this neighborhood because the Hosanna Melissa Marito, who used to be the speaker of your city council, sold my fucking neighborhood to developers and gentrifiers. So I got a couple things to say, and when y'all come on and tell me, my time stops. Fuck out of here.

It's been 7 hours. Not only did I have to listen to these cops, and not just the cops, but to be honest with y'all city council members, you posing like you, opposing them for your sound bites, for your social media, for your re election campaigns. Fuck out of here. You've been supporting the cops in the pandemic when the MTA was strapped, and you supported putting more cops on the MTA. Fuck out of here.

We know where you're coming from, and we know what these little photo opportunities bullshit. I also want to call out. Keep talking, Jessica. With us. To be able to speak.

And that did not yield their time to black and brown like myself, who thought that their sense of. I thought cops was here to protect us. But I guess they're not. Boy, boy. I think that this sort of, like, shocking empathy thing is the move.

Okay, so a couple of things. Okay, turn the shit up. Turn the shit up. Oh, my God. I love a Bronx girl being Kidz bopped.

Langston Kerman
That was great. She's just kidz bopping the Bronx. It's amazing. Fuck out of here. Fuck outta here.

Laci Mosley
You know, she just sat at home in her mirror, like, fuck outta here. Fuck outta boy, boy, boy, boy. No, that's flavor of love. She just. Oh, man, that's great.

Langston Kerman
Good for her. Cause she really thought she was saying something. Like, she felt like, oh, okay, I'm about to suss on y'all real quick by putting on this weird accent. And on a roof, you didn't think she was spitting. You didn't have to take your headphones off for a moment there and just let the steam come out from just like.

I mean, I ain't gonna say she wasn't spitting. It just. It wasn't a spit I like. But, you know, she was going off. I guess.

Laci Mosley
Here's the thing. The accent was. The accent is so bad, it's not even close to good. And, like, I guess white people would look at that and be like, I don't know. I guess that's probably an accent from somewhere.

Langston Kerman
Well, here's the thing that I think all of these people figure out in a. That ends up being very effective is that black people would have called her out if she went and worked at a bank, right? If she went and did some, like, regular, like, capitalist, anti black shit. But instead, her Rachel Dolezal. What they figure out is I'm going to put myself in a position where I'm aligning with black and brown people.

So when they hear my bullshit accent, they're already, like, rooting for me. So they don't really want to call it out. It's like they're. We're on the same team. So I know you.

You sound weird to me, lady, but fuck. All right, just keep talking. I don't know. I think that's it. Like, that's what we talked about with Shawn King, where it's like, we.

Laci Mosley
We are trying to get to freedom. So nobody's trying to really interrupt the freedom train to be like, hold on, does everybody got their tickets? Like, you know what I mean? Like, we're kind of like, if you. If you snuck on here, but you, like, on the train to freedom, we like.

You ride like, that's fine, right? You. You know the words to the black birthday song all right, man, keep singing it. I don't know. It ain't how I like to sing it, but go ahead.

Langston Kerman
Go on. Right? Come on, boy.

Laci Mosley
I love this so much. But this was when she was Jesse Lama Lera, which I think, like. Like you said, if you were ever gonna, like, pretend to be another race, it might be creole. Mine would definitely be like afrocoano. I was definitely, okay, I got enough key phrases.

I'd be like, yato sabe. You know, like, they'd be like, where are you from? My father is from Cuba. Hey, there you go. So that, you know, like, I could get.

I could get pretty close to getting away with that. You know what I mean? I saw God. Anyways, you skipping over that bee in a way that they. They like, you know, you go to.

That bitch, they don't call it the beach. They call it the bitch. Yeah. Studying in the shadows like Homer Simpson. I was sitting outside of houses just listening to Cubans gaining knowledge.

And that's very easy in Miami because everybody in Miami loves to. At least when I was a kid, they put their flags up places. So it was very easy to spot a Puerto rican flag and just like, go list announcer. Like, that was not hard. Shout out to anybody in Miami who ever had one of those necklaces.

It's like a little boy holding a flag. Everyone used to have them in school when I was 13, and there were jamaican ones, ones from Trinidad, ones from Puerto Rico, and I didn't have one. So people would always ask me, like, where I was from, and I was like, oh, I'm from Texas. They're like, no, but where are you from? And I was like, Texas.

They're like, no, like, where are you from? Like, what country? I was like, um, western Africa, I. Would guess, is what you're describing is the best that Florida has to offer. That's that Miami is the.

Langston Kerman
Is the best thing in Florida. And that's all they had was necklaces with flags on them as identifiers. Listen, I love it. You got. If you know your culture, if you're lucky enough to know exactly where you come from, like, you got a flag.

Laci Mosley
Like, I got a flag with a fist on it, but that ain't really gonna give me, like, a geolocation. I got a questlove pin. Is that where I'm from? From Philadelphia? I think.

Wherever Questlove is from, y'all know the motherland off of african street. That's where I'm from. So. So Jess La Bombera does this crazy accent. She ended up confessing this whole thing, right by publishing on a platform medium.

A few days after, some people made waves like Adele by sporting bantu knots in a jamaican flag bikini at Carnival. I didn't think that was bad. The Jamaicans told me that they like it, and I was like, if y'all like it, I love it. I think the real bad person in that Adele story is the girl who posted that picture. Like, who did it?

Langston Kerman
No, but you know what I mean? Like, Adele posted it, but there was somebody who took the picture. Knowing Adele was, like, being set up to look dumb, and it's like she was having fun with her homies. She was having a good time dancing, doing jamaican shit, whatever that was. And her friend was like, adele, we should capture this moment.

And the bitch don't even like taking pictures like that. She don't be posting that often. That's true. And so then she got caught up in, like, a bad look, when in fact, it was just like, oh, be cool. Like, just be.

It's Beyonce shit. Like, yeah, let her have her bed too. Nice and peace problematic and quiet. That's. That's what she's supposed to be.

It was silly. Yeah, I think you're right. It does feel like a setup a little bit. And, you know, if Adele want to roll pondedeep, you know, then we gotta let her do that. I'm not mad at it.

Laci Mosley
So Krug's post that came kind of out of nowhere to us, but I'll let you know how it ended up starting was to escalating a degree. Over my adult life, I have eschewed my lived experience as a white jewish child in a suburban Kansas city neighborhood under various assumed identities with blackness that I had no right to claim. First north african blackness, then us rooted blackness, then caribbean rooted Bronx blackness. So, Jesus Christ, she went on the world tour. That's nuts.

Langston Kerman
That's some full Drake shit. That's wild. She went from. She went from regular old Canada Drake to London Drake to Caribbean Drake. That's.

That's fucking nuts, right? And not a hit song in there. And not a hit song in there. Jessica, you could at least given us some bops. At least when Drake's like, I.

Laci Mosley
I take your love for granted. Oh, I'm too good to you. We get a hit, we get on it. Except for when he went and tried to do that London rap. I hate UK rap.

I'm sorry if you're a UK listener, but that skippity pop. Pop me some tea. Like, I'm sorry. That shit is a week I will say that if what you're listening to says skimity pop pop, you're probably. I understand why you don't like it.

Langston Kerman
It doesn't sound good to me, either. It all sounds like, your man's not hot to me. Pull up with the willy before we get out with the Piccadilly. I don't mind british rap until british rap starts talking, like, gangster shit, and then I. I can't do it.

Like. And I'm sure y'all are mean and tough and murder people and all that, but you sound silly to me. So, like, just talk about having sex with girls, and I get, you know, I'll make peace with your british rap or whatever this is. Yeah, you can talk about activism. We would love, like, you know, give us some Craig David.

Talk about soccer. Y'all voice sound good in soccer, but don't talk about murder. I don't. It sounds goofy as fuck. I know.

Laci Mosley
That's my favorite british rap song, red card. It's so good. It's my favorite. So she basically was like, sorry, y'all, I was pretending to be everybody. She said, I'm every negro.

It's all in me. And so her blog failed to provide actual details, but she wrote that she assumed that mental health issues based on her childhood trauma were the root cause of her behavior. I don't like when people blame the mental health community for. Fuck shit. People have mental health issues, and they're nice people, and they don't go around pretending to be identities and take up space that's not theirs.

Langston Kerman
Yeah, that. And even that has literally nothing to do with what, like, you could maybe. Maybe. Maybe there's a claim that you could say that, like, my mental health had some sort of, like, caused some version of an identity crisis within me at certain points in my life. But it didn't make you do all that work to actually, like, take on the new identity that's just you and you're sick.

That ain't got shit to do with, like, any, you know. Yeah. Your mental illness wasn't like, let's go to the queen collection at Walmart, all the brown shades, like, no, you did that. No, that's 100%. You don't blame outside factors for that.

Laci Mosley
So this is how it started. Some of Krug's students were interviewed by the cut. The cut is always out here dragging people. New York Times was like, can we make just, like, a messy, petty bitch column that lives for drama? They're like, yes, we can.

It's called the cut. We just gonna do trash over there. Upscale trash. So they remember recalling a very heavy accent, an affected brown girl. Cool.

And Rebecca Amadi, class of 2019, said the things that she taught me could have been done without this whole minstrel show of a Persona. So maybe she was actually talking that talk, but she was flipping the chair around. Sure. She was really ac slatering her classes. Just like, I want to get down and honest with y'all.

Come on, y'all. Let's dig deep, boy. Fam, y'all trying to get to black liberation? Home dog, or. Why are you talking like this?

It's also the emphasis on everything that she knows is slang. Whenever the slang word comes up, she's like, fuck out of here. Yeah, she. It's. It's music for her, and she's trying to hit them notes.

She learned all of this from deaf poetry jam. I miss deaf poetry jam, people. It was a great show. Cadences. Yeah, I even love it.

Langston Kerman
I wanted to be on that show so bad. I did, too. I remember trying to write some poems. I was trash, but I had the cadence down, so I was like, I could probably fool somebody with this. So before she had come out, her ratings on rate my professor were a 2.6 out of five.

Laci Mosley
Goddamn, that's low. And it included a reviewer who rated her as awful and said, if you ask her the history about world War two, Nazi Germany, cold war, or something like those, she will only answer you with the history about the Caribbeans and Africa. Damn. So, okay, that's trash because she's a jewish lady, and she ain't even up on World War two. Like, that's.

That's. You should know that one. That one's pretty important in. In jewish history. Like, culturally, that's like us not knowing about slavery.

Laci Mosley
Like, we. Yeah, we know quite a bit. Yeah, I know when to tag in and tag out. That's one that you should have been in on. But she was like, look, I studied these things.

So, like, how do you even reroute something like that if someone's like, so when the blitzkrieg happened? And you're like, well, when you say blitz, that makes me think of bliss, Tex. No, what she did. What she did. They said, when the blitzkrieg happened, she went, blitzkrieg.

Langston Kerman
And then they were like, hey, that ain't teaching, dog. You gotta stop doing that. Please stop. Please stop pretend shooting guns up in the air while I'm talking to you about important stuff. That's how she got all the way back to the caribbean culture.

Laci Mosley
She just went, blitzkriega.

That's beautiful. Oh, goodness. So another student rated her average and said, krugs class is definitely not your white man's history class. I'm guessing you're a white man. If you're saying that, yeah or no, it's probably a white lady.

Langston Kerman
They be turning on their people as they should. As they should. White women. We need you to. We need you to turn your backs on your husbands.

Laci Mosley
If they're voting Republican this year, you need to cheat on them. Okay? Yeah, we can't count on them. They be acting up on us too. Listen, when you.

Langston Kerman
They like turning on people. I know just anybody. But when you get in the booth, nobody knows what you doing there but you, girl. And that's why I wanna change it so that at any point, some black lady could just rip open the curtain and go, what you doing? What you doing?

Put it back. Put it back in there. And then you gotta, like, be held accountable that way. Why do black women have to do all the leg work? It's like, why are there all these extra black women at the polls?

Laci Mosley
Oh, yeah, they just work in conscience management. They rip open the curtain. That's our rip open the curtain lady. Her name's Cheryl. She do good work.

Yeah. Look, she don't tell you who to vote for. No. She just say what? She just say what you doing and look at you, real mean.

Langston Kerman
And you know what to do. You know the right choice, right? She's just do what you know you should do anyway. Yes. That's my volunteer position at the polls.

Laci Mosley
I was just ripping the curtains back. Don't think that's illegal at all. What are laws? So Krug latched onto the myth of her light skin presentation. According to the junior professor during grad school, Krug called herself hi yella and playfully derogatory term for fairer african american set.

Has anybody ever called you hi yellow? All my life. Yeah. You know what's devastating? I was thinking about this the other day, is all these people who come forward, these Jessica Cruz, these Rachel Dolezal, I'm the same goddamn skin color they be pretending to be.

Langston Kerman
And it. It hurts my feelings every time I've been a black. A black person my whole life. And then I are sure, I know that's what scares me is maybe I'm not supposed to be. Ah.

Maybe I'm just. I just think I am. And here I am matching a falsifier. A trickster. A trickster.

Laci Mosley
One thing I will say, too, that this does play into colorism. Like I've noticed that these types, at least with Dolezal and Krug, they both have kind of have the similar thing with their features where they have larger noses and, like, you know, some features that you see on black women more readily and are more appreciated on black women because unfortunately, with eurocentric beauty standards, like, it's like the thin, pointy nose that all the, you know, white folks aspire to have. But if you have a whiter nose and you're black, it's looked at more like favorable, especially if your skin is fair. So they're pretending to be, like, the type of woman that every white woman is pretending to be right now anyway. Kim Kardashian is pretending to be a light skinned black woman.

Karlie Jenner is pretending to be a light skinned black. They call it tanning. Yeah, that's called life skintifying. There's a new Chloe picture out where she looks identical to, like, 2004 Beyonce. Because that's just what they've been shifting their faces and bodies to try to be for the past, like, decade.

Langston Kerman
Yeah, I think so much of it, to your point, is about rejection, right? That, like, you felt in some way rejected from the white community from. For the way that you looked or the way that you felt like you looked in the world, and so you figured, all right, well, I'll just, like, rub some tanner on and make myself a part of a community that might appreciate it more. Right. That's, like, more accepting.

Laci Mosley
Even though obviously there's colorism within the black community, you're putting yourself on the highest end of the spectrum of colorism in a black community. Like, as a dark skinned black woman, that's been my life, my entire life. Oh, you're pretty for a dark skinned girl, or, oh, you know, or, like, going places. It used to be my biggest scam. I used to hang out with, like, a bunch of professional athletes all the time in college, and they would take us places and buy us stuff, and they're like, whatever.

And because I had dark skin, no one ever tried to, like, push up on me or try to, like, have sex with me so I could just go places and be invisible and just be like, yeah, charge it to the room. Wow. It was the one time that colorism was a real benefit because I was not trying to fuck with none of them. So I was like, first of all. It'S beautiful, but it's also devastating.

Langston Kerman
It's like, no, you should have been sexually made uncomfortable the same way all the light skinned girls were. You're a pretty girl. You should have. You deserve the same opportunities to get a me too case against some professional athlete, just like every other light skinned girl and white girl that was hanging around in these areas. Oh, my goodness.

Laci Mosley
I'm weak. This episode is wild.

I knew the moment I met you, I was like, this is gonna be crazy, and I love it. So according to a junior professor during grad school, we said that she's calling herself high yellow. An Afro Latinx junior professor who worked in Krugs Field anonymously said that she had been following her transformation for a while. Oops. So this is what happened.

You got a hater on your tail. You got a hater on your tail. It was like, catch me if you can. This is your Tom Hanks. He coming for you, right?

Like, she's gonna catch you being white at some point. So she noted that the first time that they spoke, Krug would talk about us. And we. And I was scratching my head, like, us and we?

Langston Kerman
Who is we? It's just me in here. Who is we? It's me and you. You, you.

I'm me, right? When you say we a lot. Oh, you speak French now? Like, what? Shout out to Drake.

Laci Mosley
Love drizzly. He never lets us down. He's the king of appropriation, but he never lets us down. Right? And he knows how far he can take it.

Okay. He started out, you know, appropriating like they used to call him. This is so fucked up. And this is not me saying anything negative to the 88 community, but people used to call him wheelchair Jimmy. Yes, they did, for a long time.

Because he played a role undergrassie, that he was in a wheelchair. And it was like, what is. So she's got somebody on her tail who's like, why are you saying us? And we? And then she goes, oh.

And then I realized she meant black. So Krug initially claimed to be born of an immigrant mother from Algeria and a white father of german descent. Whoa, she was cooking it up. This is spicy. Back then, Krug talked about herself as a product of a severe family trauma.

So this scholar and other Latinx friends had doubts about Krug's claims, but didn't want to push the subject because she was like, no, no, but this is my trauma, though, right? Like, I don't like to talk about anything about me factually because that's my traumatic experience. Mama, I'm sick. We can't talk about this no more. I can't, okay?

The trauma is too much. Now send me the $50 so I can send you the 5000.

Like, what? So she said, it came to a point when they were just like, this is bullshit. You know? I love that. And she quietly broke all ties with Krug.

Years later, Krug came back into her life when some mutual Facebook friends, Facebook Messi, posted articles that Krug had written for race, a platform whose focus was race forward news and criticism. Krug later wrote articles for essence. Wow. Come on, essence, y'all gotta do some kind of fact checking. Some kind of.

Langston Kerman
Just have some. Make them show credentials at the door at least. Like, what are you? That's our most elite black magazine. Come on.

Laci Mosley
Now I can see if she got into jet. Like, if she started writing for hair hype. Hair. Make her the thick lady on page 30 57 of Jet. But, like, you can't.

Langston Kerman
Why is she writing articles for your publication? These articles are now deleted, but included pieces like on Puerto Rico, blackness and being when nations aren't enough. What does that even mean? And somos mas y no te nemos medo miedio. I don't know why I said that wrong.

Laci Mosley
Somos mas y no teo miedio. What the Puerto rican uprising means for black political imagination. Wow. Wow. Listen, she was a forward thinker, and I bet those articles said a lot of important things from that jewish lady who was pretending to be completely different.

Than she is, her old friend. Okay, so she also wrote, in essence, that she was Borrigua, apparently abandoning her algerian roots in favor of Spanish Harlem. So by the time she got to essence, she was like, I'm bor igua. Bor igua Morena. And they were like, you're just singing a song.

So then her old friend, the anonymous junior professor, responded, saying, I just sat quietly with it, because who is gonna believe me? It is a wild thing to try to come out and be like, this lady white. It's weird. So this is how she got caught. We're wrapping this on up.

A moment of synchronicity happened when revered cuban american author HD Carrillo died and was revealed that he had been a fraud, too. Damn. Holy shit. All the light skins are coming now. God damn.

Langston Kerman
I might. I gotta do some research. I might be lying. I don't know what I am no more. I'm really unpacking a lot of shit emotionally.

Laci Mosley
Leaving this with an identity crisis. Hell, yeah. So he was originally born in Michigan, not Cuba, to black american parents with no latino heritage. So this would be my stance.

They're like, lacy, this whole time you were just from Texas and black? No, no, porque.

Langston Kerman
You see how I pronounced it? Nah. I love Ricky Minor. I'm rolling my r. If I'm rolling my r, then I'm legit.

What are we talking about? Right? If I'm saying fuck out of here, you know what time it is? So this guy comes out. The anonymous junior professor caught the wave and hinted on Twitter that carrillo may not be who she may not be the only person whose identity is fake.

Laci Mosley
One of the people to catch this text was associate professor afro diaspora studies at Ms. Oh, my God, so many titles. Anyway, Yamara caught this tweet, and with the help of another scholar, Figueroa Vasquez, was able to research Krugs past and ultimately found the truth of her identity through the obituaries of Krug's parents. Damn, y'all went and dug up her parents obituaries? Y'all was on the opit?

Oh, my God. They were tired of her with that. Information ready to share. Damn. They said, we were not trying to ruin her life.

We were really thinking, as black latino women, how do we do this ethically? See, why are we like this? Like, even at the end of the day, when white folks be doing us so dirty, we'd be like, okay, but what's the right thing to do? Yeah, I saw it on Twitter. I think where she fucked up was she changed identities too many times.

Langston Kerman
She could have gotten away with this if it weren't, obviously for those. Those damn kids, but also because meddling kids. But I think she also wanted to be too many things too many times. You just got to pick one, stay in that. Keep doing more research.

Lock in. But she wanted, you know, every new wave. She wanted to add to her diaspora, to her new voice. And it's like, now people getting upset. You upsetting some people, right?

Laci Mosley
I think she was also trying to find, like, the easiest race to pretend to be. She's like, okay, you know what? I don't know why I started with Algeria. Now I gotta know a whole bunch of stuff about Africa. She's like, let me bring it.

Bring it back to the Bronx. She was like, then I just got to be like, a J. Lo amount. A nigga from New York. That's a.

Langston Kerman
That's an easy identity. You just got to be grumpy and talk about trains. Ain't no studying required. Own Tim's, some door knocker earrings. And talk about the two train.

You'll figure it out, right? She was like, this is much easier than when I was pretending to be from Algeria. People were asking less questions, so they tried to gather information from colleagues of Cruz but Cru got tipped off because within eight days of their first conversation about Krug, the medium post had drizzopped. She was like, oh, y'all about to come out. I'm gonna beat you to the punch.

Laci Mosley
And I love it. And she said in her blog post, this is the final thoughts from Miss Krug. I am not a culture vulture. I am a culture leech, and you should absolutely cancel me, boy. And I absolutely cancel myself.

Fuck outta here.

Langston Kerman
That's her. Within 24 hours, the blog obviously blew up, and colleagues called for her resignation. She was tenured, so she was also in a very good spot where she was never gonna be fired. Like, she had tenured. She, shortly after it, decided to resign.

Laci Mosley
But I'm sure now she gonna get the Rachel Dolezal doc. She'll get a documentary. She probably got a cool parachute package. Just legally, they have to give her something to walk away from, whatever that is. Right?

Technically, what she did wasn't illegal. Or. I don't know if the university has policies that are like, you can't tell us you're black when you're not, then. Did they write that down? Yeah.

Langston Kerman
That's wild. It's. That's like that air bud shit. You know what I mean? It's like, there's no rule.

There's no rule that says that you can't put a dog in a basketball game in the same way, there's no rule that says that you can't be fake black and apply for jobs in african american studies or caribbean, whatever she was doing. I want to support the whole fake black movement, but the only way I can get behind it is if I can be fake white. Like I told y'all, at some point, I need to ascend into being a white lady and then into a white man, and I need everybody to believe it, and I need to have all the privileges so we can work that out. Then y'all can continue to be Langston's cousins online. First of all, how dare you?

Second of all, I'm cool with you being a part of the fake black movement, but you got to deal with whatever the worst thing is that happened to niggas that week at the day that you joined. So if. If somebody got shot, you got to take some bullets just to be a part of. You got to get jumped in, basically, to whatever this black experience that you want to have. The sad thing is, once you get jumped into the black experience, you just keep getting jumped, because that's the black experience.

I love that. Yeah. Welcome, sister. Come on in and be like, what did I do? Listen, the bottom of these shoes are fine.

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Laci Mosley
And fraud. All right. And we're back. And this is the saddest part of the show because this is where I have to let nice thing go, fam. You know what I mean?

Um, I can't even do a kill. This is very good. Okay. You know when y'all was posing. Okay.

Anyway, the posing. No posers. Like, where is this accent, sis? I love it. The flavor.

The lack of flavor. Giving us nothing. Give us nothing. Jessica. Yes, bitch.

Langston Kerman
I love sea salt. Pretending to be lowry. So let's do it. It's great. So this is kind of sad, but also kind of beautiful.

Laci Mosley
There's a place called Vernon, Florida, that was re nicknamed Nub City. Nub. Nub city. Okay. Because it became.

And I don't. I don't fuck with that name. I'm not really, like, big on the ablest shit, like, you know, but there's a reason that they're calling it that. So nubcity became responsible for the panhandling claiming of two. I'm sorry.

Yeah. For the panhandle claiming two thirds of all loss of limb accidents in all of the United States due to a widespread insurance scam where individuals would get money for cutting off a part of their body. Whoa.

Langston Kerman
Wait, so you. You telling me that these people, everybody in this neighborhood, in this city, got tricked into cutting off a part of their body? No, they didn't get tricked. They were like, let's do this. Oh.

They collectively were like, we about to get this money. Cut them fingers off. It's Nubtown. That's crazy. So in the mid 20th century, the town was in a deep economic struggle as the sawmill, which provided many people's jobs, closed down.

Laci Mosley
A sawmill is like a lumber mill, where they, like, cut the logs into the lumber that we use. It's unknown how the scam officially started, but rumor has it that someone legitimately lost a limb and got a nice payout for their life insurance policy. After word got out that some nub club members sawed and hacked off their own limbs. Though most took an easier route with a shotgun. Fuck me.

Langston Kerman
How is that easier? Cause if you saw, you gotta keep cutting. You gotta try to spam. That's. Oh, man, that's crazy.

Laci Mosley
Cause also, if you hack wrong and you gotta keep going. Oh, I can't. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry for this image, you guys. We're gonna push through this.

So the justifications were sometimes completely absurd. This is what I love. One man told the insurance company that he shot his hand while aiming for a hawk. Okay. Another man claimed that he shot his own foot because he thought it was a squirrel.

All right. You ain't never thought your foot was a squirrel? Listen, I had on some fuzzy slippers. That motherfucker was moving. I just.

Langston Kerman
I shot. I don't know. Here I am. Where's my money? Right here I am with my duffel bag, ready to get my cash.

Laci Mosley
Thanks so much. And then the preferred technique was to lose an arm and a leg on the opposite side of the body so that you still use a crutch. I know. Wait, so they're. Hold on.

Langston Kerman
They're taking in tight. They're taking the good parts. I thought they would, like, you lose, like, a finger. My mother's father, who I never knew, but apparently was a hell of an alcoholic, the best. But he.

Laci Mosley
He. Number one. Number one. He was a champ. He won.

Langston Kerman
But. So he worked in a. In in Detroit, he worked in one of the auto factories, and he lost his fingers to the point where he basically just had, like, this, like, this was all he had. I can't remember if it was just a pinky or just the. The pointer, but everything else got cut off in, like, a fucking thing.

And he didn't get any money, and it made him real sad. But the idea of taking an entire limb, that's crazy. And it's kind of a risk, too, because it's not like, you know, you're gonna get the money. Like, I mean, whoever the last person was in this scam, you know, like, they probably didn't get the bag or survive it. Like, you're literally.

You're cutting off a limb, you're gonna, you're. You might die. There's a high chance that you're gonna die, right? Which just speaks to the desperation in this country that's always been here of like, making money. And when people are ready to be like, you know what?

Laci Mosley
This is how we get the bag. That's like, it's so disheartening. But at the same time, none of these people are gonna get caught. And that's what I love about this. So the common payouts were between 5000 and $10,000, which isn't enough.

Langston Kerman
That ain't nothing. I thought you were gonna say $100,000. But this is like the sixties, the fifties. So it was worth a little bit more. What, so now you can afford an Oldsmobile?

Get the fuck outta here. This is terrible. So one farmer claimed to have lost a foot and was awarded nearly a million dollars, even though there was evidence that suggested self reputation. So come on now. That foot, that was worth it.

Laci Mosley
Yeah, I think it's like, what kind of policy you could afford to take out? Cause you gotta take the policy out and pay on it for a little bit. So the farmer probably has some coin. It was almost impossible to convict the scammers of fraud because it was so difficult to convince jury members that people would willingly self amputate. The scam ended in the late 1960s because premium rates became too high and insurers halted businesses in the Florida panhandle altogether.

Langston Kerman
Damn. So they were just like, we're not even gonna insure any of you because we know what's up. Damn. So there are families in that same area now who can't get insurance because their grandfather was like, I'm gonna shoot my foot off and get paid real quick. Yes.

Laci Mosley
And at one point somebody was trying to make a documentary about it called a nub city. But when the guy went there to start filming, all of the townspeople like, started beating him up and stuff, or threatened him. So.

Langston Kerman
They beat the shit out of him with them nubs. We ain't telling you a goddamn thing here in nub city. So he did end up not making a documentary about that. I love that. Good for them.

They listen. They pulled off a scam, albeit not a lot of money, and certainly not a choice that I would have made. But respectfully, they made the scam happen and they stayed loyal. They were a town of down ass bitches that didn't turn on each other when it came to somebody showing up and offering, like, some chump change for a documentary about what they had done. Right, because they weren't trying to sell out.

Laci Mosley
That's how you know they're true to the game. They were really about that life. And I just want to give an update since we're talking about this. The woman who sawed off her hand with a circular saw for a $1.2 million insurance scam. Unfortunately, she was sentenced to two years in jail.

That breaks my heart, because I wanted her to be free and frolic and also get $1.2 million. I was about to say, they took that money, too, if she went to jail for it. Yo, so hate to see it, but I'm glad to hear that there's a whole town that robbed the insurance industry for decades. Yes. Good for y'all.

Oh, that reaches the conclusion of the show. Langston, we always ask people, where do you want to be found? Anything you want to plug? Oh, yeah. Scams you want people to participate in.

Langston Kerman
Well, the greatest scam of all time, listen to my podcast. It's. It's called my mama told me. It's about black conspiracy theories and black people making up conspiracy theories and the ones we grew up with. And it's very funny.

And. And Lacy's gonna be on an episode soon. It's very. It's a great time. And you can follow me at Langston Kerman on all platforms.

It ain't. Nobody else has my name, and nobody else would want to, so it's. It's easy. It's a shit name. It's a great name.

No, it's fine. Yeah, that's it. All right. Wonderful as always. Scam got his podmail.com.

Laci Mosley
Email us in and snitch on your friends and family. Just make sure that the scam is retired. And if you want to follow me, you can follow me at D I V A l A C I diva Lacey on all platforms. And you can follow scam goddess on all platforms. Oh, y'all, I'mma be on tv talking about scam soon.

November 4. Check out ABC's the Con. I'm gonna be on there talking about scams as an expert. What? That's a scam in itself.

All right, y'all. Congregation, stay scheming.

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Fraud Fridays: The Perfidious Professor w/ Langston Kerman

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