Chrisley Knows Fraud w/ Kyle Kasabian

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Kyle Kasabian
Got it. What's poppin congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Moseley, aka scam goddess. Back with another installment of the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it today. You already know this episode's gonna be a ride whenever there's a friend on the show.

Lacey Moseley
I'm sorry, I forget that there's an audience. We're gonna just be hanging out. So I hope that you all enjoy that. We have an amazing comedian, writer, and actor on the show. Also drag artiste, which is not on here.

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Cancel your plans and listen to the podcast. I know that's right, congregation. Please welcome one of my dearest friends in the world, Kyle Kasabian, to the show. Hi, Kyle. Hi, my sweet angel baby.

We can't talk about it yet, but Kyle and I are spending a lot of time together right now, which is why I was like, oh, I hope he'll do the podcast, because I know he is sick of my ass. We are in it. We are in it right now. We are in it. I was just talking.

Kyle Kasabian
I was just talking to your producer, Judith on the way up here, and I was like, we keep on saying that we're still laughing and enjoying our time together, even though we're completely drained. And I think that's a good sign. I think that's a really good sign that we have managed to not, like, have any fights. We're just like, oh, today, James May. Oh, my goodness.

Lacey Moseley
Oh, wait, Kyle. I didn't even talk about. There's another page here. Your most recent project, oversharing. It's being developed, right?

Kyle Kasabian
Yes. Correct. Yeah. By Merman and Odenkirk Provesario. Is that how you say that?

Odenkirk Provosero. Yeah, yeah. Odenko Provocero, along with a web series that has appearances from Sarah Silverman, Cate Flannery, and other comedy talents. Like, it's lit. Yeah, yeah.

It's a good time. We're making a show, and I think it's really funny. I know it's really funny. You're very funny. You all have so much to check out.

Lacey Moseley
But on this podcast, we always ask in the beginning, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love em? Do you hate em? Have you ever been scammed? Have you ever run any scams that are past the statute of limitations where the f to be in the.

Kyle Kasabian
I won't be like, well, my relationship with scams is a little convoluted. I feel like I personally am always terrified of being scammed because I feel like I'm very gullible. I'm always afraid that someone's gonna get me, however. And I'm also afraid the killer is always on the loose. Every time I'm in the shower, Wendy Williams did something to me.

Lacey Moseley
I'm like, I hear a noise, like the ice machine does something, and I'm like, it's the killer. The killer. The killer is here. The killer is always watching. So you're nervous about getting scammed?

Kyle Kasabian
I'm nervous about getting scammed. I'm also nervous about getting in trouble. So that's the thing that keeps me from actively scamming people, even though I know most of the time it's a harmless thing. Right. You know, the one scam that I did kind of get away with.

I don't even know if it was that much of a scam. I used to clean apartments when I first moved to Los Angeles. Stop. And I was cleaning apartments, and there was this one guy who. How do you get an apartment cleaning business?

Lacey Moseley
Like, what website is it? That's, like, clean my apartment? Essentially, yes. I was working through, like, this company that was. Yeah, like, you could just, like, hire someone.

Kyle Kasabian
It was kind of like taskrabbit, but for. For house cleaners. Okay. And then I built, like, a little customer base through that. And then I was like, let's take.

Lacey Moseley
This off the app. Yeah. I had my regulars that I would then take off the app so then I could get all the money. Right. But there was this one guy who had an Airbnb right off of Hollywood Boulevard, and he started hiring me to regularly clean it and then, like, check guests in, and then.

Kyle Kasabian
So in turn, I had, like, a fob to get into this fancy building. Ooh, nice. And for two years after the fact that I stopped cleaning, I just had the key fob to this building. And then I would just sort of use the pool in the gym. Okay, see, you deserved that.

Lacey Moseley
That's good. Yeah, it felt like a victim is victimless crime. Truly. And you were cleaning the place. So, like, I mean, I was using.

Kyle Kasabian
It for long after I stopped cleaning the place, but. But that's fine. Like, I feel like you deserve that. And that's, like, a nice relaxation. I thought you were gonna say that you, like, used the fob and just would, like, stay at the Airbnb.

If I had any sense, I should have. Cause it wasn't booked that often. Like, it would be available. It would be available pretty frequently. Okay, but you know what?

Lacey Moseley
That's risky, though. Cause then it's like, what if you were in there chilling with your boo, and then, like, the people show up? Yep. And I'm like, I'm just scrubbing this toilet real quick. Yeah, I'm just washing this fridge.

Hold on. This is my associate. Not my associate. He's naked at the moment. But that's just because we didn't want to get the bleach on us on our clothes.

Kyle Kasabian
You ever see those fans for, like, the topless maids? That would be my cover. I'd be like, no, no, no. Here's the thing. We have our titties out.

Lacey Moseley
And, yeah, this is our job. We clean, and we have our titties out. Anyway, bye. Enjoy. You scramble away.

They're like, okay, the naked people just ran away. They're like, damn, you left a bunch of Papa John's in the fridge. Okay? It's like, there's two glasses of half finished wine here. Like, what are these people doing?

Kyle Kasabian
That was my fear. That was my fear that I'd be caught in the act doing that. So I just tried to play it safe. And also, again, I'm so terrified of being in trouble all the time. Yeah, like, always.

I mean, like, you. You know this about me. There are times when, like, even just like, if, like, a lot, like, a queue is, like, moving kind of slowly, or it's not really, really clear, but it appears there's people in line. You're like, we're going. We are cutting in front of.

And I'm like, oh, no. Oh, what if everyone is mad at me? It's really no big deal. No, we've been flying a lot together, and I would notice that, too, on the plane. You're so polite.

Lacey Moseley
I'm like, let's get the fuck off of this plane. Move out of my way. Get out of here. I know I'm learning a lot, though. I'm like, bully your way to the front.

This is what we do. I'll be a monster in no time. Give me time. Listen, that's one of my favorite things that I learned in my psych class in college, is that if you just give people any excuse in a line, they'll normally let you cut them. Like, you can just be like, hey, my car's running right now.

Do you mind if I get in front of you real quick? I'm just gonna be fast. Like, literally could be anything. I will never forget. It was, like, very early in our friendship.

Kyle Kasabian
You and I were just placed on a sketch team together, and there was this sort of. There was, like, a volunteering thing that it was like a volunteering opportunity where we would pick oranges for some reason. Oh, yeah, right? And we were there on the weekend, and there was a line of people waiting to sign up to, like, get the oranges. And, like, the little orange pickers.

Yeah, little orange pickers. And, like, I was there with, like, a few other people, and we'd been waiting in the line for a few minutes, and you showed up and you were like, why are we waiting in line to go volunteer follow? You grabbed a clipboard from the table, and you walked with such purpose and just handed us each of our little things. And you were like, great. And you threw the clipboard back down the table, and you're like, we're inside.

Let's go. And it unlocked something in me where I was like, right. If you just have a clipboard, right, people will just listen to you. Listen to you. Yeah.

Lacey Moseley
Like, a clipboard is just like. It's the scam tool. You're right. I did pick that clipboard up. Cause I was like, I am out here being a good citizen.

I'm not waiting in line to be a good person. Like, give me this damn clipboard. Yeah. For what? Why would we?

And nobody knew who anyone was there, so they were like, lady has a clipboard, we'll give her the sticks. It was great. I learned a lot. Yeah. That's so funny.

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So let's get into our next segment of the show here. What's hot and fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about poppin scams and the zeitgeister. More often than not, we get a letter from you all these days, as always, snitch on your friends, family and your enemies. Scamgottispotmail.com dot.

Just make sure your scam is retired because we don't wanna. What? Yes. Fuck up your bag. And also, y'all should go on paw swag and get that fuck up your bag.

Tote bag. Every time I've had it at a live show, it sells out immediately. It's like the most fun thing. It's a good tote. Wait, before we move on, I feel like I haven't had a chance to congratulate you on your nomination for a kid's choice award.

Oh, my gosh. As I'm always saying, laci Moseley is for the children. I love kids. Trick daddy. Little kids.

I love kids, too. Yes. I am nominated for. What is it is best. Best lady.

Best lady for the children. Number one children lady. My favorite female tv star. Yes. And look, the Kids choice awards is.

I mean, I do have one. And it's like a Nickelodeon. Like, it's cool. I've held it.

So when you look through it, there's like, you see little colors. It's a very goofy award show. I love Nickelodeon so, so, so much. I've told them vehemently, I will never be slimed. There's actually a viral video of me and Jaden, our young actress, on that show, like, running away from slime happening.

Cause we were like, not my hair, girl. Not my edges. They'll Katy Perry you. Oh, they will rock your shit and know that. Okay, so I had a friend, Milan, who was on stage to get slimed the last time I was at the kids choice awards.

And we were talking in between, like a commercial break, and he was like, okay. So they told us that when we stand on stage to get slimed. We have to bend our knees and brace ourselves. They said if you lock your knees, you will fall like it is. The slime is not cute.

It's aggressive. It is like what happened to Katy Perry, which I don't really like her politics. She get on my nerves, so I think it's hilarious. But it's aggressive. It's a pressurized goo.

Yeah, it's a pressurized goo that literally shoots people down. They fall. And I remember last time, Gabrielle union was presenting an award with Charlie puth. And so, you know, Miss Gabby was never gonna get in there. No slimes, honey.

Okay. Not our diva. Not our. Bring it on. Okay.

It's already been brought. So she is, like, standing at one podium, and she's like, oh, Charlie, the winner card is over on that podium. And we all know Charlie's wearing, like, full white. We know what's gonna happen. So he walks over there, and they shoot the slime at him so hard, he falls to the ground.

Kyle Kasabian
Oh, wow. He's on the ground. And then, like, there's a commercial break, and these two pas come out, and I'm thinking the pas are gonna scoop Charlie up. Cause he's still on the ground. He's still on the ground covered in goop.

And then they start kicking him. They literally both pas grabbed two of Gabrielle union's hands and just escort her off the stage. And Charlie is just laying in goo, and nobody will help him, and he. Just has to slither off like a slug. That's crazy.

And also protect black women. They're right for that. I said, I love it. Y'all better walk my queen off. Did Charlie puth make bring it on?

No. No, he did not make that. No. Okay. It has already been brought in.

Lacey Moseley
Until you make bring it on, you gotta lay on the ground and goop. Right. I'm so sorry. That's your punishment. So let's get into what's hot and fraud again.

Snitch on your friends, family, and your enemies@scamgottispotmail.com. and get that merch online on podswag. Okay? I made all this cute merch for y'all. Y'all always buying it up at the live shows, so just go ahead and get it online so you don't have to stress.

Okay? So. Oh, and speaking of live shows, y'all, September 22 at the Regent theater in LA, we will be doing the five anniversary show and celebrating my book scam goddess, coming out. And also probably other secrets will be out that you guys will be very excited about. So those tickets aren't on sale yet.

They're on Live Nation. I believe they go on sale on June 27. So I'll keep warning y'all about it because it's about to be lit. That's about to be crazy. I'm trying to do an after party, too.

I think I want to do, like, a crazy after party. What am I gonna wear? Oh, my God. Gowns. I want everyone in red.

This is my Beyonce moment. Like, listen, when I went to see Beyonce the first time, we were all just doing glitter and gold and fashion and camp and gay, and then her ass gone. Tell us. Three weeks before that on her birthday show, we needed to wear silver. So then all the girls were literally scrambling on Amazon.com trying to get their silvers.

So, yeah, y'all wear red to the show. I want red for the show. Please. I will be in red. I already have the outfit.

It's insane. So let's get into this letter. Kyle, I need a fake name from you. We do not care about gender.

Kyle Kasabian
Jindica. Jacindica. Love it. Don't know what it means, but it gets the people going. It was Jessica and Cindy and syndication.

Lacey Moseley
Jacindica. So Jacindica says, love the podcast. Thank you. Jacindica just said, I wanted to let the congregation know about a scam that my mother almost fell for recently, even though I have told her not to buy anything. Advertised on Facebook, she saw an ad for keto gummies that featured Kelly Clarkson.

It claimed that her latest weight loss was the result of a particular brand of keto gummies. She clicked on the ad. This is Jessyndica's mother clicked on the ad, but thankfully did not go through with the purchase because it costs more than advertised. The ad said, buy one, get two free. But the price after shipping, handling, processing, etceteras was more than the original price of one bottle.

They said, look, you gotta. We gotta ship it, we gotta handle it, we gotta box it, we gotta tape it. Mm hmm. We gotta walk it, bop it, lick it. We got a bop it, stick it.

Okay. And everything is a fee to do that. Okay, but do you want to look like Kelly Clarkson or nol well, yes, right? I'm like, okay. So the really interesting part to me is that part of the ad also said it had been featured on Shark Tank.

She started getting emails and texts from different sharks in quotes, encouraging her not to pass up this amazing offer. When she told me about it, I had to talk her down. It took a lot of explaining and research on my part to convince her. She kept asking why Kelly would say a product worked if it didn't. Why would Kelly lie to me?

Kyle Kasabian
Also, I love the. It was featured on Shark Tank and what the sharks were reaching out, like, on Instagram. Hi, this is Mark Cuban. Have you ever seen those fake Instagram DM's that are, like, from Lady Gaga? And it's like, hi, this is Lady Gaga.

Ra Ra. I need $15 to complete my album. Ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra. It's very bad. I see her talking about how she was performing when she had Covid.

Yes. I live. I fucking live. Lady gaga. Please be serious.

This is what I. This is what I want my pop stars to be. They need to exist in a realm that is sense. Sense? That makes no sense.

Lacey Moseley
I knew she was the lulu after that documentary where she was having business meetings topless. I said, ma'am, ma'am, like, you know, when you meet somebody who's not actually eccentric, they just want to be eccentric. I feel like Lady Gaga wants to be eccentric. Like, it is a goal of hers. These are methods that she's doing.

Kyle Kasabian
Listen again. I feel like if you contribute something that is so incredible, then you're allowed to be nuts. Do whatever you want. Cause honestly, the music is fantastic. The music, the art, the piano, the fashion, the acting, the acting.

Lacey Moseley
Like she's killing it on all fours. So you know what, girl? Cough on me. Cough on me. Mom.

Right. I'll get Covid at the concert, I guess. Goddamn. From you, she was literally saying, like, the fans, you know, they were already taking such a risk, so I just wanted to have the show. I said, well, damn, it's not a risk no more if you got Covid, like you setting up a super spreader event.

Kyle Kasabian
I mean, honestly, if she's talking about the show that was at Dodger Stadium that took. We were all packed in like sardines trying to get into Dodger stage. Yeah, it was awful. It was. So I will never see another show at Dodger Stadium again.

We're derailing this entire episode. I'm so sorry. I knew. I already warned everyone that it was gonna happen. They know it's gonna happen, but it was crazy.

Lacey Moseley
Oh, my goodness. So back to these gummies. Yes. What was her name? Jesentica.

Kyle Kasabian
It doesn't matter. It was a jacinda. Kate Rich says Jacindica. Okay, so Jesenica mama was so hurt that Kelly Clarkson was selling these gummies. And honestly, I understand, because if there's anyone in music and entertainment that has my full trust.

Lacey Moseley
It's Kelly Clarkson. That's hilarious. She is from Burleson, Texas. Mm hmm. She sings down.

Kyle Kasabian
Go on. Okay. Those are two things. Like, well, I'm from Texas, too. Also, like, she seemed very regular.

Lacey Moseley
Like, I feel like I would run into her at a Marshall's. Yeah, she does seem trustworthy, right? You know what I mean? She's like, ooh, they said they had a sale on candles today at the bed bath. And she'd tell you in the parking lot.

Kyle Kasabian
She'd be like, get in there. You wouldn't believe what's going on. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Say, girl, get in there.

Lacey Moseley
They got body splash, two for one. Okay. Like, I feel like Kelly has worn a body splash. Like, it's just. I don't know.

So I get why her mama was hurt that Kelly was involved with this product. And we know right now, like, the zimpie is really what the girls are on. Do not let these actors scam you. Talk about they going on hikes and they doing veganism, and they stopped drinking. That's not what they did.

They going and getting diabetes shots, even though they don't got diabetes. And if you read my book, when it comes out, you'll learn my relationship with those impacts. I did not do it. But there are some funny moments about me really considering it. There was a moment where both.

Kyle Kasabian
I remember both of us at dinner one night, just, like, just viciously researching. So, I don't know, maybe, do we think we can get it at this place? If we were, how much would it cost? It's literally so. I have a makeup artist, one of my makeup artists.

Lacey Moseley
I'm not gonna say who, but she had put me onto the zimpie before it even got famous, before Sharon Osborne turned into a skeleton, before all of that, she was like, girl, there's a new skinny shot out right now, just so you know. And she be knowing. And I was like, ooh, where do I get it? She was like, brentwood. Like, you just go to this place.

You pay dollar 700 for them to assess your body to see if you can take the drug. Cause, like, it can affect your pancreas. So if your pancreas not cute, they like, we can't give it to you. But for real. For real.

Kyle Kasabian
And that's the medical term, right? Your pancreas is not cute? Yeah, if it's not cute, if it's not giving, then they're not gonna give you the shot. But for real, for real. I feel like they just be like, they'll be like, we'll let it slide.

Lacey Moseley
Your pancreas a little ugly, but it's cool. Like, get skinny, girl. Holding the charts going, okay. Little ugly pancreas going on over here. But that casket is gonna be so, like, go ahead and get it, girl.

But, like. So you do the $700 consultation, right? And then each week is $1,000 per shot, and you do it for three months, and then you're supposed to, like, go off of it. But some people just, like, stay on it. But, you know, there's Magerna.

There's, like, Ozempic. There's. There's a few of them out there. And now the girlies are doing bootleg versions. Like, yeah, the street pharmacists are getting involved.

I saw. Remember when we were in New York and we saw that sign that said, we'll buy diabetes test strips? Right, right. So they're buying people who have diabetes test strips so that they can get people without diabetes. Ozampic.

Kyle Kasabian
Oscampic. Oscampic. Wow, they got the oscampic on the street. That's so irresponsible. But also how much?

I have an event I have to go to this fall, and then I have to wear a red outfit too. Yes. On September 22. You better have your zimpy, and you. Will not be able to take me.

Lacey Moseley
Okay. You better turn sideways and disappear. I'm gonna show up. Like, I'll be like, you turn sideways, like, where did he go? In the window?

In the wind. Okay. A gust of wind just blows you away. Snapped in half, y'all. If you don't have diabetes, please don't take them people's diabetes medications from them.

They need it for their diabetes. So going back to Kelly Clarkson. Jesus, I'm so sorry. No, listen, I told people upfront that this was gonna happen, but I'll bring it back. I always bring it back.

So remember we was talking about just syntica, just. Yeah, that's close enough. Just syndication. Just seneca. She was convincing her mama.

She did a bunch of research and showed her mama, like, this is fake. Like, shark tank. People should not be messaging you talking about, you need to buy these pills with the shipping and the handling and the whole thing and the massaging and the walking and the dropping fees. Right? So her mama was so hurt, she kept asking why Kelly would say a product worked if it didn't.

And how did the sharks get her email and phone number? I found an article saying that Kelly Clarkson, part of the ad, was AI and another one featuring the sharks warning people, they have never endorsed a keto gummy. So the actual sharks from shark Tank had to come out and be like, we don't know her. This is not our gummy. And then they used AI of Kelly Clarkson.

Not my girl Kelly. And they got this many people with this that the sharks had to make a statement. Yeah. Wow. Cause the older girlies are on Facebook.

My mama keeps sending me Facebook links, and I'm like, I'm not clicking on that. It's so funny. One time, my mom sent me a blanket, a customized blanket that she clearly thought would be, like, a really nice gift for me. And it's of, like, a lot like, a mom lion and, like, a baby lion. And there's, like, a really horribly misspelled, like, poem on it.

Oh, wow. I'll send you a picture of it. It's crazy, but it looked like it was a full size blanket, I assume when she bought it on Facebook and gave her Social Security number or whatever to purchase it, and it arrived at my home. And it's the size of a dish towel, but it's made out of a soft. It feels like it should be a nice, big, soft blanket, but the size of a dish towel.

Kyle Kasabian
And now I can't throw it out. You can keep your nipple warm. Just one nipple. Just one nipple. It's so funny that I was like, well, now I have to keep it forever.

Lacey Moseley
You have to keep it forever? Oh, for sure. Like, maybe frame it. I should like it. It'll fit in an eight by ten frame.

It'll fit in an eight by ten frame. And I feel like we need to go to Michael's and make a cute frame for it. Cause that's kind of a beautiful commemorative thing for your mom. I know. And for the low, low price of any inheritance that she might have wanted to leave me.

Right. Just for the lolo place of the shipping, the handling, the driving, the walk. In, the deed to her home. Yeah. The tape that they had to put on the box.

You know, the box itself, that's dollar. $50. 50 box. Yes. Yeah.

Boxes are expensive. Y'all didn't know. Like, yeah, that's. Damn. Don't get your things off Facebook, y'all.

Call your parents. Get them off Facebook. They should not be reading ads on Facebook, especially now that we're going into the election season. Please get them off Facebook. Like, I don't know.

Tell them to go on TikTok. There's a lot of, like, fun grannies on TikTok now that are, like, grannying people and being people's moms on TikTok, go on TikTok. Put them on a special, like, feed, tic Tac. Like, once you look at one thing and they're like, oh, you like this? They'll just show you that over and over again.

Now you can buy things on TikTok, too, so you gotta tell them about. That, or they'll just get really into, like, eating silver or something, which is also bad. I have drank silver solution. Oh, no. Yeah, on the con.

Kyle Kasabian
No. Yeah, on tv. If you go on Hulu, you can see me drink silver solution. It kind of just tastes like water, but if you drink too much, it will turn you blue. They're eating pool chemicals.

They're drinking urine. So just maybe put them. If you're gonna move them, if you're gonna pivot them to TikTok, maybe just kind of immediately start curating what their algorithm will be. Yeah, so, like, just get your parents on some different type of app, please. Get them on Pinterest.

Lacey Moseley
I don't think they selling that much on Pinterest. And they can look at stuff and be happy, but Facebook is dangerous for the older people. We can't do it no more. I'm so sorry, Jessenica, that your mama was hurt by Kelly Clarkson, but it really wasn't her. So, like, let's not give it to our girl.

At the end of this letter, it says that, as you always say, this is Jesenica. She says, as you always say, talk to your parents regularly. Yes, girl, I just said it. Oh, my God. You know me.

She told me that her hesitation in completing the purchase was due to our previous conversations. I learned most of my anti scam info from you, and the scam got us podcast. Thanks. Can't wait to read your book. Oh, thank you so much, Jessica.

Like, this is the sweetest letter. And I'm so glad that you've been learning stuff from the podcast and that you really are talking to your mom because your mama got close to getting scammed by our american idol queen, but then she thought twice because you told her that. So y'all out there, I'm so for real. Talk to your parents. Let them know about these scams.

Let them know if they get an email from Amazon.com. but the o is a zero. That's not Amazon. Like, I get a scam email every single day now. Every single day.

I at least get, like, three or four scam emails or phone calls, and it's like, verify your information or your Amazon account has been hacked or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, just be vigilant. The AI stuff and, like, the deepfake stuff is really frightening sometimes. It's hilarious. It is.

Kyle Kasabian
Hi, I'm Jennifer Aniston. Her mouth is not moving in sync with her fake voice, and she's like, I want you to hear all about this mobile game that I love and play every day. I was on friends, and the weird. Thing is, is that sometimes those are real. Sarah Jessica Parker is literally selling an in app game on Twitter.

Lacey Moseley
I'm like, what is going on in late stage capitalism? Because, like, you like, it used to be that if you were an actor, you didn't do commercials once you started having a tv and film career, because it was seen to be kind of, like, beneath you. Even Angela bastard talked about that. And then now there's commercials where Angela bastard is rubbing cream on her face. Like, ooh, I love this cream.

It's keeping me young. It's like everything has changed and shifted. But when I saw Sarah Jessica Parker SJP selling an in app game, I know they probably giving her a hella hella money, but I'm also like, should we be building a bunker? What do y'all know that we don't? That frightens me.

Kyle Kasabian
As soon as I saw you have. So much money, why are you doing in app game jobs? What's going on exactly? Yeah, there's some things I usually use that to sort of, like, gauge the forecast, to gauge the economic forecast over the next few months. Specifically, as an actor, I'm like, oh, if Zoe Saldana is doing this Verizon commercial, it's gonna be a pretty lean summer on my end, so I might as well start filling out these applications and see.

Lacey Moseley
Let me get on unemployment, child. Because Samuel Jackson been doing these chase credit card commercials for too long. I think it's chase. It's one of those where he's like, I'm Chanel Jackson, motherfucker. Get this card.

Kyle Kasabian
That's exactly how he does it. Get this motherfucking card, motherfucker. Yeah, like, it's getting stressful out here.

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Lacey Moseley
And fraud. So, y'all, we're keeping on this theme again. Kelly Clarkson. Sorry to AI'd you, babe. And you was selling keto gummies.

Clearly, that wasn't you. Since you've been gone. They said you were selling ketogamies for a long time. We know that's not what happened, so we're so moving on, but we're gonna stay in the same kind of realm. Today's historic hoodwink.

We are talking about Todd and Julie Chrisley. Chrisley knows best. I'm familiar. I've never seen this. Chrisley knows fraud.

Kyle Kasabian
Chrisley knows fraud. I have seen the show. And Chrisley is like, a very, like, Todd Chrisley is a very specific kind of southern white man where, like, you almost think he might have the wrist bent, like, he might be one of the girlies. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's the one with. Yeah, that's the gay man with a wife.

Lacey Moseley
The gay man with a wife. And a bunch of kids, though. And a bunch of kids. But sometimes there are these southern gentlemen who, like, come off like gay men, but they want a wife. But also, I believe that gay men should be able to have wives.

I do too. I think it's the only way forward. As a society, honestly. And now I go on vacation with their spouses, and we're all. I was like, we're not gonna break up.

Like, I'm just gonna hang out with you and your man. Like, what do you mean? I'm your wife. I'm your wife. Like, what do you mean?

You got a husband and a wife? What do you mean? Yeah, I too, believe gay men should have wives. I prefer to date gay men. It's just not working out.

Cause it's like, they're like, you don't have a penis. And I'm like, oh, fine. Is that really? Grow up, grow up. Grow up.

Why is that such a thing? Let it go. Be a pansexual like me. You know you love me. Be my man and stop playing.

So.

Oh, God, rich, what are we gonna do with this episode? Rich is shaking his hand. Oh, my God. So, in 2019, reality television star Todd and Julie Chrisley, married couple were charged with bank and wire fraud, tax evasion, and conspiracy. Almost five years later, the couple is still battling the convictions.

So if you don't know who Todd and Julie Chrisley are. They had this television show called Chrisley knows best. It was a television show, like, a reality series, where Todd and Julie Chrisley are the married stars. Right. And this show is on USA Network, and it centers around Todd and his brutally honest parenting style towards his five children.

And now we're gonna pull up his children. Let's take a look at the children. Oh, look at this queen at the head of the table. Yes. Chris Lee.

Kyle Kasabian
Oh, get into it. That's incredible. Todd is a kween, honey. He is mother. He is mother of house Chrisley.

Lacey Moseley
Yes. And so from left to right, and I got. I know I have not been posting these episodes. I got videos for y'all of me, and, like, I just. I'm gonna post the stuff.

I've just been real tired, y'all. I'm sorry. I'm gonna post some stuff today, I swear. But I will post this one on time. So, from left to right, in this photo, we have Lindsey.

And I'm gonna say the spellings of these names because this is so southern. Does she have, like, five y's in it? It went a different direction. They went like, me. I'm southern too, so I'm Laci, and everyone always spells it l a C Y or l a C I E or l a C E.

But it's l a C I. Cause my mother was, like, some Sasson. She wanted to name me Larc, like Lark Voorhees from saved by the bell. And my grandmother said, no. And she was like, okay, we won't name her lark.

So I was Lacy, but my mom got her way with my middle name, which is spelled r I s e. Rise. There is supposed to be a tilde. It should be risee, like riset Stevens, the opera singer, but. Got it.

Now it just looks like rise. And I can't tell you how many white people see my full name on a driver's license, and they're like, lacey, rise. Oh, that's so inspiring. What an inspiring name. You may rise.

I may rise, still I rise. Yes. So left, right, Lindsay. Her name is spelled l I n d s I e. Lindsay.

Kyle Kasabian
Sure. Okay, then we're gonna get a little basic. We got chase. So sorry, but the next name is Kyle. Look at the height on some of this hair too.

Lacey Moseley
That's Kyle. That's you right there. Kyle. Wait, but. Oh, then that's the wife at the end of the left side, correct.

Yes. And then we have Savannah. Okay. And we have Grayson. Which Grayson is such a southern name.

Kyle Kasabian
Grayson. All right. I love the name Savannah. So southern, they don't have any Taylees. Cause they're, like, an older generation.

Lacey Moseley
But right now, like, the hot names in the south are, like, Taylor and, like, Mikayla with lots of wives. McCarty. McCarty. Yeah. Oh, they love a lichen.

They love a lichen. This is my daughter, Anna Lakin. And Anna Lakin. And a lakin. A lichen.

And a lakin. My name is Anna Lakin from Opalika, Alabama. Hey. And my talent today is baton. Batone.

That's your talent. Uh huh. Taylor Kaylison Johnson. Mm hmm. Kayla sin is after my grandmother and my grandfather.

Kyle Kasabian
All right. Cause my grandfather's name was Samson, and my grandmother's name was Kayla, so. And why do you think you should earn the title of southern teen pageantine 2014? I think I should be southern teen pageantine as Taylee because I believe that unity and community are the staples of America. And also pregnant and also family and also cleaning.

Yes, I agree. And such as the Iraq. Exactly. And Bunko nights and meetings at the park with my wives. I just want to say we have so much respect for people from the south.

Lacey Moseley
Yes, we do. Okay. I'm literally from Texas, y'all. So, like, this is me dragging myself, like, okay, my name is literally Lacey with an I. And every time I get in an Uber, they call me Le Chai.

Kyle Kasabian
I get Keyle. And I feel like Kyle's a very common name, but it is. Yeah. It's very strange. Why do Uber's always like, I think it's because the GPS system.

Oh, they can't say it. Yeah. And we can't say who, but we have a friend who's a comedian who now is the voice of a GPS. And so many times when we were driving in these cities, it was his voice, like, turn left here. And I'm like, this is weird.

Lacey Moseley
It's so weird. But also, like, I want to do it. Very comforting. I feel like I would be a good gps voice. I'd be like, girl, where you going?

You missed your exit. Turn around. If it sounds anything like how you sound while you're behind the wheel of a car, I will pay money for it. Do an illegal u turn here. Lay on your horn before you go through this crosswalk where the pedestrians have the right of way.

Kyle Kasabian
If you lay on it, then they'll stop. If you honk a bit, they know you not gonna stop. Okay, this light is turning red. Just honk a bit so people don't make a left turn.

Lacey Moseley
This lady said you could drive through her backyard. It'll save three minutes. Stupid. I would be sued so much. But you would get to your destination real quick.

Kyle Kasabian
Okay, true. I'm just saying. So we saw the kids, right? So Todd is known as a real estate tycoon and patriarch of the family. And obviously we saw that in the photo.

Lacey Moseley
He's sitting at the head of the table. He's giving house mother, house father, Delia Dietz from Beetlejuice. So the show ran for nine years on the USA Network between 2014 and 2023. So pretty recent that the show ended as the family grew more known. Enough family drama happened that the siblings chase and Savannah spawned a darku series called growing up Chrisley about their path to proving their independent adult.

Kyle Kasabian
Interesting. Okay, so what I'm hearing right now is that this family made this network and a bunch of people so much money, and when shit went down, they were just. They did not come to their defense. No, the network was like, we don't know her. Okay, so this is like the growing up Chris Lee dramatic.

Oh, okay. This is the Chris Lee cinematic universe that's happening right now. They're building something. The spinoff. Can we see a trailer of this show growing up Chrisley?

This spring? I gotta let my wings fly. Get out of here. Oh, my God. We're going to LA.

Lacey Moseley
I'm gonna go out there and focus on acting. I'm gonna focus on. Y'all. Two together don't have a brain cell to shape LA. He told the kids that them two together didn't have a brain cell to share.

Okay, so now they're just exposing their parents. Okay. But on the same network. So I feel like I wonder if he was also producing. It's given Kris Jenner like, he was still getting the bag.

Kyle Kasabian
Uh huh. Yeah, you know what I mean? So Todd also hosted and executive produced a speed dating matchmaking series called Love Limo, while Julie hosted a web series called what's cooking with Julie Chrisley? Love limo and love Limo. Where can I find love Limo is the real question.

Lacey Moseley
I need to be in the love limo. I wanna know. I honestly thought about applying to be on the circle. Not the circle, but what's that one? Love is blind.

I was like, maybe that's how I find a partner. But then I found out that they were abusing those people. Oh, yeah, that's all reality tv is. Wouldn't give them water. They wouldn't give them food.

They plied them with alcohol. There's no windows. And if you wanted to go to the bathroom, you had to leave the set. I'm sorry. Do you want to watch sane people fall in love, or do you want to be entertained?

Kyle Kasabian
Cause there's a price to pay, I guess. So. I always thought they just went on there and had a good time. So. In August 2019, Todd and Julie were charged with tax evasion, wire fraud, conspiracy to commit bank fraud, and conspiracy to defraud the United States, the US of a.

So anyone in entertainment, that's what they're doing. I mean. So in total, the couple was indicted on five counts of bank fraud, one count of conspiracy to commit bank fraud, which. Okay, first of all, if I didn't actually do the bank fraud, why do I have to be charged for that? I failed.

Lacey Moseley
If it's conspiracy, I didn't get it done. I'm. Yeah, is this, like, what's the minority report? And I got, like, my hand in my pocket pretending it's a gun, and I'm like, everybody get on the ground. And then nobody believes me, and I leave embarrassed.

Like, should I be charged for that? I think, yeah, that's. I feel like you at that point, you've already paid the price, right? I'm ashamed. I didn't win.

I didn't get no money. Yeah. No die pack. Yeah. When is the line drawn for conspiracy, technically?

Kyle Kasabian
Like, because in my, like, me sitting at home being like, oh, man, I wonder how I could get away with something. Does that count as conspiracy? Or do I have to enact some parts of the plan? Like, what's the percentage of the plan? You have to do parts of the plan.

Okay. And then they have to clock parts of the plan. And even if the plan doesn't work out, they're like, well, we know you try. Oh, there's, like, a paper trail. There's a paper trailer.

Lacey Moseley
So, like, we know you tried. So Julie was also. Oh, they also had one count of tax fraud, which, I mean, at this point, Uncle Sam, we not trying to give you no money. We tired of your ass. Like, get out of our faces.

For real. Like, I'm tired of being shook down by the mob, aka the us government. Like, please. They're like, you want protection? I'm like, the police.

That's not protection. They trying to kill me. I gotta pay for my own hitman. I'm black. What's going on?

Ugh. Anyway, so Julie was also accused of creating a fake credit report and false bank statements to rent a home, for which she was charged with one count of wire fraud and one count of obstruction of justice. I always say, y'all do not send the wires. Like, that's mail fraud. Wire fraud.

That is where the government will pop right in and be like, hey, girl.

They'll be like, get in this mail truck. We don't got no doors, but we do have handcuffs. It's really like, here's the thing. It feels like stuff like that is so easy to do to the point where it's like. It feels like a trap is being set right.

Kyle Kasabian
Where it's like, I don't know, maybe make it less of a tempting thing for someone to do to falsify a bank statement. Honestly, Photoshop is here. What are we supposed to do but falsify bank statements? I don't know what you mean. And also, when you're trying to rent an apartment and you're, like, out of college or broke or whatever, like, yeah, we falsifying, like, checks, bank statements.

Lacey Moseley
I have done that myself. I've shown that statute of limitations. Exactly. Same. Same in 2013, maybe, or not.

Kyle Kasabian
I may have. And I had the money. Like, when I got up in the place, I paid the rent. Yeah, but if they were. But at the time, they were like, well, we also need proof that you have six months of rent in the bank where it's like, no, you're gonna.

Lacey Moseley
Give me it now. Give it to me now and stop playing. Like, honestly, I'm on the side of the Chrysalis right now. Julie was also accused of creating a fake credit report and a false bake statement to rent a home, for which she was charged with one count of wire fraud and one count of obstruction of justice. The couple's accountant, Peter Tarantino, was charged with two counts of willfully filing false tax returns and one count of conspiracy to defraud the government.

I won't lie. This is the kind of account that I want. Let's do crime. I want you to be sweaty. I want you to be.

Better call Saul. Like, I want to do crime. I don't want to give the government anything. Exactly. This sounds like a victimless crime.

Yeah. Like, I'm like, don't get the accountant involved. That sounds like a great accountant. My accountant be talking about following the law all the time. And I'm like, what did I hire you for?

Like, what do you mean? Yeah, yeah. Remember when I was on the phone with him and we were at, like, lemonade and he was talking about, will, you got to know about these laws and this, this. And I was like, not trying to follow the law. I was like, I'm not doing that.

Oh, you getting on my nerves talking about jail like.

Kyle Kasabian
I come to you. I come to you seeking answers to my questions, not consequences. Right? Don't put that on me. Just make it possible.

Make it so. Right? That's what they say on Star Trek. We live in our own reality. I was born and they made up all those rules and I didn't get a say.

Lacey Moseley
Like, I'm making my own rules up. So they're obviously in trouble, right? Like, they're getting charged all over the place. The accountant's getting charged. At the beginning of their trials, all three of them pleaded not guilty.

When the couple were arrested, Todd released a statement on Instagram. You know, everybody's gotta do their Instagram statement. Now, beginning with, this is Todd. I've never talked about this publicly before, but there's been a cloud hanging over Julie and me and our entire family for the past past seven years. He goes on to claim that in 2012, he and Julie discovered that a trusted employee had been stealing from them.

Kyle Kasabian
Oh, no. He doesn't share details, but claims that this employee had created forged documents, threatened other employees with violence, and even bugged their home. Oh. Mm hmm. The real trouble started when they fired the man.

Lacey Moseley
And in revenge, he took fake documents to the us attorney's office and told them the Chrisleys had committed financial crimes, including tax evasion and bank fraud. So he's like, we had a bad employee, and then they turned on us and went to the us attorney's office. You know how when you mad at people, you go to the us attorney's office? Every day of my life, someone cuts me off in traffic, I follow them home and I go through their trash and I go, oh, I'm gonna get her. I gotta get her.

I'm going to the us attorney's office, like, immediately. What do you mean? That's the first step in revenge. So they're saying they getting revenge, dog. Right?

Todd wrote, they got their attention, all right. But once we had a chance to explain who he was and what he done to us, they realized it was all a bunch of nonsense and they sent him on his way. I also love that this could word for word exactly be like a transcript from a Cardi B Instagram video where she's like, well, you got your attention, right? Everyone's saying. Everyone's saying this.

Kyle Kasabian
And the other. It's very funny. He's a stunt queen. I live. Hey, I live for him.

Lacey Moseley
So Todd then claims that the man spoke to a different set of investigators at the us attorney's office, who took him seriously and reopened the case as well. As granted him immunity for his own crimes and allowed charges to be brought against the Chrisleys. It has since come out that the former employee Todd accuses of conspiring against them is a man named Mark Braddock. So who's Mark? Oh, look at Mark.

Okay, first of all, Mark, what's going on with this photo? Like, you look like you were scared of the camera. Like, why is your face so deep in your neck? They're doing him so dirty too. He's like, blown out.

Yeah. To light. He looked like right before the photo, he said, ah. Like.

Kyle Kasabian
Oh, poor guy. Poor guy. So Mark met Todd in the early two thousands through the school both of their children went to. And they became friends. They were school dads, okay?

Lacey Moseley
Dads showing up to school. Showing up to be a dad. They were quote unquote school dads together. They were school dads together. Ooh, I know what you're getting at.

Cause I'm kinda like. I don't know what you mean. I'm kinda like, if you go to the US Attorney's office on. Was that bae? Were you mad at Bae?

And you went to the US attorney's office? I don't know. It sounds like someone's feelings were really hurt. Ooh, now I'm looking at this picture again, and it's also kind of given, like, heterosexual. Like, he said that, I love my wife.

I love my wife. I like women. Coochie. Like, right before he took the photo. They said, all right, say coochie, say whop.

And he was like, I love it. Women business. Omw. Called them slimy bits in a sketch. Why are you putting me on blast like this?

Kyle Kasabian
It was a different time. It was slimy bit. It was like 2017. It was a different time. And in the context of the sketch, thank you very much.

It was. Everyone was Samantha in Sex and the City. It was a brunch where every character was Samantha. And they were just talking about their vaginas in increasingly graphic ways. Yes.

So I'm not just some gay man who calls vaginas slimy bitch. I don't know. You heard it here first. In exchange for an immunity agreement for his own financial crimes, Mark agreed to testify during the Chrisley's trial. So not only did he bring this to the government, he got an immunity deal and testified against Bae.

Lacey Moseley
During the trial, Mark claims he and Todd also entered an extramarital affair for about a year. We were right. Wow. Oh, my gosh. We were right.

Kyle Kasabian
Whoa. It's pride month, baby. I was just starting to sit here I was just feeling a little guilty. I was like, no, no. Am I here just pointing to.

Nope, I'm right. I'm always fucking right. Happy pride. I date enough gay men, so nowhere I know when I see one and I still be like, hey, boo, you wanna be with me? I'm a drag queen.

Lacey Moseley
Yes. So they had an affair. That's why he went to the us attorney's office. He was pissed. Yeah, he was pissed.

This is a lover's score. He was pissed enough. Cause then it sounds like he was in trouble too. Cause he brought something to them. They're like, well, we've also.

Kyle Kasabian
Well, now you're in trouble and he's got you too. For. Cause it could have been a situation where maybe he got got clocks. And then he was like, well, bae ain't fucking with me anyway, so let me, like, throw Bae under the bus. And obviously Chris Lee not gonna leave his wife and his 5011 kids for me, so.

Correct. Yeah. He was like, I'm tired of saying cis man in a photo. Like, he's tired. He's tired.

Lacey Moseley
He even talked about the extramarital affair. Messy. So.

Okay, so I'm gonna keep reading here. So he talks about the extra mark. He's talking about the extramarital affair. Right. He says after their intimate relationship ended, they formed a brotherhood and a business relationship that lasted until 2012, during which Mark was employed as an officer for Todd's foreclosure management business.

Don't know what a foreclosure management business is. And an officer in that. Okay. It sounded like he was like. Like the thug.

Like he was the muscle. All right, so there's some type of top. There's some type of. They were like, we ended our sexual relationship. He's like, I stopped topping him, and then I started being his boss bodyguard.

Kyle Kasabian
And then we entered into some type of, like, findam thing. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Which so funny you say that. Cause scam goddess actually is a term for a financial dominatrix.

Lacey Moseley
And I did not know that when I named my podcast that. And so to this day, when I make tweets, there are people underneath sometimes being like, I'll be your pay piggy. And I was like, what is this? Oh, my God. So at some point during his employment, Mark claims that he and Todd began receiving anonymous text messages threatening to expose them for fraud as well as their secret affair.

Kyle Kasabian
Hmm. They're homosexual affairs. Anonymous messages? Yes. The text said, pay cash and we'll shut up.

Lacey Moseley
Hot, right? Okay. But also, we know, like, blackmail is not a good thing, because if somebody. If they shannon once, they gonna shannan again. If you pay them some money, they're gonna be like, well, give us some more money or we're still gonna talk.

Like, where does it stop? Yeah, that's the only power they have. Yeah, you have to just tell people who want to blackmail you. Like, dude. Yep.

And then they're just doing free work for nothing. Like, they're like, I will expose your news. I'm like, send it to my grandma. She saw me when I was born. Like, what are we going to do here?

You know? So Mark says he then made four $9,500 withdraws, 38,000 total from the business account, and then handed the cash over to Todd to pay the blackmailers. So Mark was like, look, I've been trying to be straight my whole life. Let's just pay the blackmailers and get the mail done. Not wise to me.

Additionally, Mark claims that he created fake Microsoft Word documents to lie about Todd and Julie's income to make them appear wealthier in order to acquire loans. He and Todd had a falling out in 2012, after which he became begin sending incriminating information about the Chrisleys to the government and news organizations, including the f, two b and the I. So once Todd and Mark broke up, Mark was like, I'm going to the government. Yeah, it sounds like Mark said, like, okay, it sounds like Mark was the person who made the anonymous messages, right? It had to have been him, because.

Then he took out $38,000 and said, pay the anonymous person. Someone heard about us, we ought to pay them. And then it went away. And then when they broke up, he was like, I have all this dirt on you. Like, he then went to do blackmail.

Kyle Kasabian
Come on, it was him. Yeah, Mark, you're actually the best scammer in this situation because you got immunity for literally doing what looks like very much crime. This is wild. Like, it's giving one, it's giving scorn, lover. Right?

Lacey Moseley
But also it's giving scammer. Like, who? Oh, babe, are you getting these anonymous texts? Like, me too, babe, what's going on? Somebody know about our sexualness?

We should give them four payments of $9,500. What? Oh, no. This man said, you have to pay for me to get new teeth.

Kyle Kasabian
He said, I need veneers. Otherwise he's gonna show everyone your hole.

Lacey Moseley
Yo. And then when Ty was like, you know what, Mark? I'm done with your scamming ass. I'm breaking up with you. Ty was like, okay, I'm going to the us government.

Kyle Kasabian
Crazy. That's wild. Like, honestly, though, a kind of petty that I can appreciate. You went to the us government because your boo made you mad. That's hilarious.

For, like, for. I live for, like, rich gay on rich gay crime. I think that's really funny. Yes. So I'm.

It's a bummer that people are incarcerated, but I also know that they're definitely in a jail that's nicer than my apartment's jail. Like a tennis court. They're doing great. They're fine. So Mark snitched on everything.

Lacey Moseley
He was like, I was making fake word documents. I was lying about their income to get loans, all of this stuff. Right. Meanwhile, after the falling out, the Chrisley's attorney claimed that Mark was obsessed with Todd and only went to the FBI for protection from his own crimes and revenge against Todd for breaking his heart. Honey, I added that last part.

He also alleges that Mark stole from them and conducted a multimillion dollar embezzlement scheme. Embezzle? Embezzlement. Don't you? What you talking about?

Impezo. That was Mark. He was like, impezo, man. Mark, you are a scammer. Like, you are a part of this scam.

Chris Lee's I think y'all are scamming, too, but y'all just linked up with another scammer and he scammed a little better. It's a scam within a scam, which is really fun. Yes. I love, like, a little russian doll of scams. Like, we just keep opening up a new scam.

Kyle Kasabian
But I also love someone. The scam within the scam then caused the inside scammer to get caught and then was like, well, I might as well pull another fast one on the. Person I was scamming, and they were more famous. And another thing that people don't really talk about when it comes to crime and punishment is that there are certain prosecutors and lawyers who want high profile cases because it helps their career. So it's like, if I'm taking down someone who's famous, then I'm getting clout off of that as well, which will bring me higher clientele.

Lacey Moseley
It'll bring me a higher hourly rate. So, like, if you're famous, you're going to be the more sexy person for the government to go after because they want to make a name for themselves. Yeah, that makes sense, Zachary. But Mark. Mark is clearly a scorned lover, and he went to the cops and started running his mouth.

Right? So Chris Lee says that Mark was stealing from them and that he had this multi million embezzlement scheme. I honestly kind of believed Chrisley on that, because when those secret text messages started coming in that were like, I'll shut up if you send me money. Who was sending those? It's given.

Mark went to the Walmart and got a burner. Yep. Absolutely. And texted himself and texted Chrisley and was like, oh, boo. Are you getting the same text that I am?

Kyle Kasabian
I wonder if he did it with those. Like, when, like, every other letter is capitalized too. Oh, yes. I feel like it was definitely not. It was like, we know you, gay, but the U is like a U.

Like the letter U with the rainbow emoji. We know you. Yeah, we bent wrists. It's just gift of RuPaul with the binoculars. Right.

Lacey Moseley
Literally, they're like, we know you, homo gay. Pay us or we won't shut up. Like, definitely all different caps and, like, the shortest spelling possible. The drama of it all. The drama of it all.

So the couple's lavish lifestyle. At one point, the Chryslers were paying for three housekeepers. See, Kyle, you could have been one of these housekeepers. Okay, get in that pool. I really need to go full parasite on somebody.

I do too. I want to live in someone's basement and they don't know. I feel like I could pull it off. I feel like we both could. Yeah.

Let's find a place to live in someone's basement. Yeah. We like air conditioning and, you know, lack of sunlight. Right? We don't need windows.

Kyle Kasabian
No, no, no. We could do this. So they had three housekeepers. They were buying expensive cars and paying for Todd to go to California from Atlanta for twice a month hair appointments at the Beverly Hills hotel. Todd was not gonna miss his hair appointments.

Twice a month hair appointments at Beverly Hills Hotel. Is there a salon there? Maybe that's where his hairstylist was. Is there a salon there? Is he just getting jerked off there?

It could be okay. It could be that. Happy pride. I'm so sorry. Happy pride.

Lacey Moseley
So according to Mark, Todd needed five hundred thousand dollars to six hundred thousand dollars a month just to stay even on Chrisley knows best. Todd even said he spends $300,000 on clothes. Though later, his lawyer implied the show wasn't entirely real. So he was like, oh, we was just saying that. Cause, you know, we gotta look famous on tv.

He really wasn't spending 300k on clothes. I hope he wasn't. Cause the stuff that he be wearing be looking thrifty. Okay, so there is a spa at the Beverly Hills Hotel. So he's getting his tips frosted.

Yeah, let's just call it that. He's allegedly getting his tips. He's allegedly getting his. Getting some tip frosted. Some tip is getting frosted.

We don't know which we allegedly. Allegedly. Don't sue me. So the government says the couple funded their lavish lifestyle by submitting bogus documents to Atlanta community banks to secure more than $36 million in fraudulent loans. Now, remember, Mark said he was on Microsoft Word talking to the paperclip and making a fake statement.

Bank statement. So plausible. They failed to repay over $20 million in loans when Todd declared bankruptcy. They also hid income from the reality show and tried to evade payment back of taxes. So they borrowed all this money, and then they were like, we poor, y'all.

Bankruptcy. Bankruptcy. And don't worry about this money we got from the tv show. That's. That's.

That's an island account or something like. So they were doing their own fraud, and Mark knew about all the fraud. Cause I'm sure when they were pillow talking, Chris Lou was like, oh, man, I don't know what to do about all these fake loans. Boo, baby. How do I hide the tv show money?

Like, he did too much pillow talking with Mark, Mark knew too much. So the verdict. On June 7, 2022, a jury found the Chrisleys guilty on all counts, convicting them of tax evasion, bank fraud, and conspiracy. The couple was ordered to pay restitution and a forfeiture money judgment of $17.2 million. That's a lot of money.

So the government was like, y'all got restitution. Y'all got prison. Like, y'all got all the punishments. In November 2022, Todd was sentenced to twelve years in prison, while Julie was sentenced to seven. Okay.

I love that the women in this case get a lighter sentence. Okay. Yes, girl boss. Okay. Only seven for my boo.

Julie. And the couple are set to serve 16 months probation. Their accountant, Peter, was sentenced to three years in prison. Honestly, Peter sounds like a great accountant. When you get out, maybe we could work together.

I, too, would like to defraud the government. And I feel like you've learned some things now. Like, you're gonna do it better. Cause I'm tired of paying taxes. And, like, they keep moving the tax brackets up.

Kyle Kasabian
Yeah. And the roads keep getting worse. Right? Like, what am I. Why are my tires getting blown out of shit?

Lacey Moseley
And I'm paying 40% in taxes. Yeah. And they're not, like, moving up the money bracket. Now, the scheme now, is that the tax percentage is just going up on the bracket you're in. Oh, yes.

It's bad. Damn. So the Chrisleys filed an appeal on claims that a primary witness testified falsely at the trial. I'm guessing that primary witness is marked as of April 19, 2024. The family is awaiting the decision of the appellate court.

In April 2024, Todd was ordered to pay $755,000 to Georgia Department of Revenue investigator Amy Doherty Hines after he slandered her on podcasts and social media. Yeah, Judah, take out that stuff that I had said, okay? I'm not paying nobody $755,000. Wow. I will fake my own death.

I get on here and be like, y'all, I died. Now do we know what he said? I'm so curious. What was her name? Her name is Amy Doherty Hines.

Kyle Kasabian
He was like, first of all, I just want to say, amy Doherty Hines. You a lion ass bitch. Those are old maiden type shoes. Should have put them back on the rack. We know you got those at Nordstrom's rack on sale.

Lacey Moseley
Like, how did he drag her also, Amy, we're just joking. Please do not sue me for $755,000. Amy, I think you are a wonderful person. You're stunning. Your gorgeous.

You are beautiful inside and out. You are a queen. Okay? We love you. You love servant, and we respect what you do.

Kyle Kasabian
And the government at large. Georgia Department of Revenue, new investigating. Honey, we love it. And you. And so can you.

Lacey Moseley
Yeah. And you are legitimate. Is that enough? Yeah, that's good. Okay.

Okay. Amy, don't sue us. We love you. So during the libel trial, a jury found Todd liable for two claims of libel and slander, but not liable on the third claim of slander. Doherty Hines was awarded $350,000 in compensatory damages, $170,000 in punitive damages, and $235,000 in attorney fees from Todd.

So, like, the whole court case, he had to pay for her attorney fees, he had to give her compensatory damages, and he had to give her punitive damages. How bad was this? Read that he fucking smacked down on. What he said? No.

Okay, so we got a little bit of what Todd said, because I'm so curious how you have slander somebody to the point where they're getting, like, almost a million dollars from you. So this is Todd Chrisley's verified post on Facebook. I'm telling y'all, Facebook is dangerous. Todd says, folks, please take the time to contact the GA post peace officer standards and training. And then he puts a phone number up here.

I'm not going to read the phone number. Then he says, email. I'm not reading the email. I'm not getting sued. And then he says, ask for a full investigation of this woman, Amy Doherty Hines.

She was let go from the Georgia Department of Revenue, but still has her post certification, which means she can go to any other state job and do the same criminal acts all over again. Lets do our part to prevent this from happening to someone else. Drain the swamp and get rid of any police officer that has abused their power and badge for their own ego or their potential. And then he's got a photo of. This woman who is this intern in.

Front of a plane? Is that plane. Hold on. Go back up. She looks 17 years old.

United States. Yeah. This is a child. Like, why he got this little girl. He was like, this is the nastiest skank bitch I've ever met in my entire life.

Kyle Kasabian
Do not trust her. He put her in the burn book. Oh, my God. Wait, scroll down, Judith. This says some more stuff.

Lacey Moseley
I just want to see what it says. Okay, so what the hell? So the suit claims Chrisley falsely accused Doherty Hines of misconduct in explicit effort to have the Georgia peace officer standard and training council certificate revoked. So basically he was trying to get her certification revoked and was saying that she was a criminal. So this is a post that he posted earlier in 2020.

Clearly, he has been, like, harassing this Amy woman, Todd Chrisley. It says, as promised on Chrisley confessions today, I provided proof that Amy Doherty Hines snitched on many of her coworkers with the Georgia Department of Revenue in order to further her own agenda that Josh waits orchestrated. How many people have worked in offices where you've dealt with that one person who always tries to tell everyone else down in order to elevate themselves? He was really going on a terror about her. He has some type of insider thing.

Kyle Kasabian
That's so he just, like, I'm still confused as to what specific. Like, how did she slight him? I mean, she's the one who's looking into, like, the taxes and stuff. Oh, wait, what's this right here? It says, this is the Georgia department.

Of claiming that she stole thousands of dollars from the evidence room. Went to Disneyland on the taxpayers time. No. Made a sex tape with him. With the director of the.

With the director of the office of special investigations, and made a sex tape with him and another co worker. He called her everything but a child. Wow. Okay, that's making more sense now that she sued him. Okay, I'm glad she sued him and got her coins because he said she's stealing all the money.

Lacey Moseley
She gossiping like hell. She messy, and she also doing sex tapes with her coworkers. How. Where did he even come up with this? Also, she went to Disneyland on the taxpayer's dime.

She went to see the mouse on the taxpayers dime. Well, that's what he's claiming. Allegedly. This is. We don't know that she did that.

Amy, we know you are a saint, okay? Do not sue us. Damn, Todd, you are really bold for this cause. Like, at first, when I was saying, like, defamation suit, and then we saw how much she got paid, I was kind of confused. Cause I'm like, how much defamation could he have done?

But he really defamated. Like, he defamated so hard. Todd, you're making it hard for me to root for you. I have to be honest, Todd. At this point, he's down really, really bad, and he's just swinging.

You are a menace to society. First of all, all you do is read your kids, tell them they got one brain cell, they sharing. You're lying to the government. You did your boyfriend wrong so bad that he went to the us attorney's office. And then this lady who's just doing her job at the Georgia revenue Department, you call her everything but a child of God.

Like, how you going defame this hard. That's a lot of defamation. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot. He.

Kyle Kasabian
Again, I think he. Was he in jail already during this or this? After. Clearly, he had access to Facebook. He had access to a podcast studio where he said all these things, where.

Lacey Moseley
He was saying these things on a Microsoft. Where is this jail? Is my question. Cause I need to. It sounds like a really nice.

I don't think he was in jail at this point. So he just decided to do another quick crime before the other crimes line up. Okay, so, you know, Amy was awarded her compensatory damages, which she deserved, because, damn, I have never seen somebody defame that hard. That's a lot. That's a lot.

A lot. So, Todd is currently serving his time at FPC Pensacola, a minimum security prison in Florida, while Julie was sent to the Federal Medical center in Lexington, Kentucky. It's unclear why Julie was sent to that particular facility, but officials have said there are a number of possible logistical reasons besides health related reasons. I wonder if Julie was like, okay, if I got to go to prison, let me go to, like, I'm sick. Prison med spa.

Prison med spa. Prison. She went, ah, my leg. I need massages for my crimes. I have a really bad bunion, right?

She's like, my neck is so tight from doing fraud. I really just. I need to go to yoga prison.

She said, I need a pilates reformer in the prison. Wow. It's so funny because the fans have been reaching out, wanting me to do the Chris Lee knows best for a while. And we wanted to wait until it was adjudicated. Cause Amy, please don't sue me.

Chris Lee, don't sue me. This is all in the news. But I didn't realize the levels to it. I just thought they weren't paying their taxes. And then the government was like, y'all gotta go to Lauryn Hilljo.

I didn't know that there was a mark and an affair and an. An Amy defamation celebration. Like, yeah, I hope the kids are doing okay. Yeah, that sounds like a lot. So while the parents are in prison, there are some children that they do have that are younger.

So Savannah Chrisley has assumed guardianship of the 17 year old Grayson. And she's also assumed guardianship of the ten year old niece. So somebody's watching the kids while the parents are doing their big. Twelve years is a long time. And 17 and ten, that sucks.

Also, your parents would bankrupt. So where are the coins coming from now? Hopefully Savannah and her brother having that show being exposing. I hope they saved their money. And Mark, wasn't they step uncle or something and robbed them too?

Kyle Kasabian
No. I can't believe. And Mark got off sky free. Mark is free. Mark is at the abbey right now stealing phones.

That's what Mark is doing. Allegedly. Mark is at pride right now. Destiny. I didn't mean to.

Lacey Moseley
Mark is on the goddamn stage. Like, yes, queen. Oh, man.

Stupid Mark, you're funny. You're a bad dude. But Mark, come on the podcast, right? Mark, come talk to us. Cause now we're curious.

I mean, obviously Todd did you dirty. Like, he did you dirt. Like that was your boo and he did you wrong. So I understand that you had to have your waiting to exhale moment. Like some people Angela Bassett and like, blow up a car full of clothes.

And some people go to the US Attorney's office.

Kyle Kasabian
Wore the same outfit though, too, while doing it, which is interesting, of course. Yeah, yeah. And then smoked a cigarette and threw it. And he looked great. Mark, you know?

Lacey Moseley
Yeah. I don't know why you're the fixture of the story at the end. I don't know. We're really fixating on Mark, but I can't deal. So, y'all, that is the story of Chrisley.

Knows fraud. Chrisley clearly did not know Mark well enough. Mark really knew fraud. Cause he got away with this. Yeah.

Kyle Kasabian
Yeah. It was. Honestly, it started out in a place where I was like, oh, that's really sloppy and stupid, Mark. But then. Then he stuck the landing.

Lacey Moseley
Yeah, he kinda won. Yeah. I mean, but if you're gonna do crime with people, you can't do em dirty. Cause then they know too much about you. All right, well, that brings us to the end of a very fun episode.

Kyle, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you so much for having me. We always ask, where would you like to be found? Any social medias? Any projects you wanna plug?

All that? Yeah, you can find me ilecasabian on Instagram. I have some shorts up there that I'm really proud of, I think are really funny. And I have a podcast that is premiering this summer. It's called cancel your plans.

Kyle Kasabian
And you can follow that at cancel your planspod. Yes. And cancel your plans and listen to. Cancel your plans. Yes.

Lacey Moseley
Or do your dishes and listen to it. I love listening to a podcast and rolling stuff. Dogs. Yes. Absolutely.

I'm an old lady now. And as always, y'all, you can find me at D I b a l a c I diva lacey on all platforms. If you want to snitch on your friends, families, and your enemies, if you want to get out here and be like Mark and call the us attorney's office, I'm the next best thing. Scamgottispodmail.com. also, y'all, the five year anniversary show tickets will go on sale on Live Nation on June 27.

It's about to be a legit situation. You won't want to miss it. My book comes out September 10, so pre order that right now, y'all. I'm trying to scam the New York Times bestseller list. Let's let a black lady get on the bestseller list.

Honey, the book is good. The book is fun. I didn't realize how much of my life has been full of crime. I worked for a drug front. You'll.

Kyle Kasabian
The book is great. Yeah, it's really funny. I mean, I'm in the book. You are in the book. You are fully in the book on a very crazy shenanigan that we went on.

Lacey Moseley
I mean, the book starts with, I went missing when I was five. Lol. So if you want to follow the ride of my life, please get involved. And, y'all, I am up for a kid's choice award for best female actress in a family television show. So you can literally go to nick.com and vote for me.

Vote for me for best family tv actress because y'all know I love the kids and I am definitely for the families. All right, congregation, y'all get out there. Y'all stay scheming. Bye, gab. Got it.

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