Primary Topic
This episode provides financial advice and strategies for recent high school and college graduates to start their financial journey effectively.
Episode Summary
Main Takeaways
- Start a Roth IRA and invest regularly, even with small amounts, to take advantage of compound interest.
- Aim to build a financial base of $50,000 to $100,000 in investments before age 30.
- Avoid high-interest credit card debt and understand the true cost of lifestyle creep.
- Consider "house hacking" as a way to begin real estate investing, which involves purchasing a multi-unit property and renting out parts of it.
- Maintain an "honest budget" to track and manage expenses effectively, leveraging tools like budgeting apps.
Episode Chapters
1: Introduction
The hosts introduce the topic and its relevance to recent graduates. Austin Hankwitz: "Today, we're going to teach you how to retire a multimillionaire."
2: Financial Fundamentals
Discusses basic financial strategies for young adults entering the workforce. Robert Croak: "Your twenties are your defining decade for financial and career foundations."
3: Investment Strategies
Covers essential investment advice, including Roth IRAs and the stock market. Austin Hankwitz: "Investing in the S&P 500 regularly can significantly increase your net worth."
4: Real Estate and House Hacking
Explains the benefits of starting with multi-unit properties as a first-time real estate investor. Robert Croak: "House hacking can accelerate your financial growth by reducing living expenses and generating income."
5: Budgeting and Financial Planning
Highlights the importance of an honest budget and planning for future expenses. Austin Hankwitz: "Knowing your cash flow is crucial to setting up a life of financial freedom."
Actionable Advice
- Open a Roth IRA: Start contributing as soon as possible, even if it's small amounts.
- Educate on investment options: Regularly invest in a diversified portfolio that includes stocks, ETFs, and possibly real estate.
- Avoid unnecessary debt: Stay clear of high-interest debts and manage credit cards wisely.
- Practice budgeting: Use apps or spreadsheets to maintain a detailed budget.
- Learn and plan real estate investments: Consider house hacking to reduce personal living expenses and begin accumulating assets.
About This Episode
In this episode of the Rich Habits Podcast, Robert Croak and Austin Hankwitz share their financial playbook for recent graduates.
People
Austin Hankwitz, Robert Croak
Companies
Fidelity, Charles Schwab, M1 Finance, Neos Investment
Books
"The Defining Decade" by Dr. Meg Jay
Guest Name(s):
None
Content Warnings:
None
Transcript
Austin Hankowitz
Hey everyone, and welcome to the Rich Habits podcast, a top ten business podcast on Spotify. My name is Austin Hankowitz and I'm joined by my co host, Robert Croke. Robert is a seasoned entrepreneur in his fifties with more than 300 million in lifetime revenues under his belt, and I'm an entrepreneur in my late twenties with a background in finance and economics. Since quitting my full time job in corporate finance a few years ago, I've built a seven figure media business and actively advise some of the most well known fintech companies around the world. As the show name might suggest, every episode we talk about rich habits as they relate to business, finance, and mindset.
However, we try and bring you two unique perspectives, one from an industry veteran, which is Robert, and the other myself, someone who's still in the process of building wealth and figuring it all out. Robert, this is going to be a fun episode. What are we going to be talking about? Yeah, in this episode of the Rich Habits podcast, we're going to be sharing the financial playbook for all of you recent high school and college graduates out there. I know there's a ton of you listening right now that know someone, whether it's your neighbor, your cousin, your niece, your nephew, or even your own children that just graduated from high school or college and have no idea what to do with their career and their finances.
Robert Croak
And we're going to cover all of that today. So send them this episode because we're going to teach them how to retire a multimillionaire, how to increase their net worth during their defining decade, as well as offer some career advice. No matter what line of work they look to be in and what career path they take. Robert, this episode is going to be everything I wish I knew at 18 and 22 years old. It's going to be a game changer for a lot of you.
Austin Hankowitz
And by the way, happy Memorial Day to everyone as well. We want to sincerely thank all of our veterans for their service and their sacrifice. We would not be here as a country without you. Also, summer is officially here. I hope you guys have your summer plans figured out or you're out by the barbecue.
Maybe you're by a pool right in now listening to the show. Don't forget to come back every week during the summer because we're not taking any days off. There's no summer vacation here for the Rich Habits podcast now. Robert, I'm pumped because now that I'm six years out of college, I have so much to share about going from a negative net worth at 22 to a net worth millionaire now at 28. So let's jump into the show.
Robert Croak
Yeah. Number one, you're a recent graduate heading into your defining decade. And what does that mean? Congrats. You've graduated high school or college and you're entering your defining decade.
The reason why we call it the defining decade is because the decisions you make in your twenties are going to have lasting effects throughout the rest of your life, financially, career wise, relationally, and everything in between. No one fresh out of high school or college knows what they want to do for the rest of their life. Nor should you. And if someone tells you that you should know, don't listen to them. Listen to your gut, and just do your thing.
Trust me, everyone thinks they've got it figured out at 1618 1920. You don't. Our lives go in seasons, and you should not beat yourself up for trying to figure it out by the time you're 21. We want to see you have a plan. But trust me, you're going to want to let your life kind of open up to you and really kind of display and figure it out as you go.
And we're going to give you the playbook of how to do it right. And speaking of defining decade, Robert, highly recommend everyone who is in their twenties to read the book the defining decade, why your twenties matter, and how to make the most of them now by Doctor Meg. So go check that out. But to Robert's point, you don't need to know what you want to do for the rest of your life to set yourself up for financial freedom. You just need to know what not to do.
Austin Hankowitz
So now let's get into this playbook. Robert, your defining decade in our humble opinions can be broken out into two separate categories. What to do and what not to do, financially speaking. Let's start with a few action items you should do immediately, no matter your situation. Action item number one, open a Roth IRa on fidelity.
Charles Schwab, m one finance or wherever you want. You literally go to Google and you type in open Roth Ira. IRA stands for individual retirement account. It might say that instead, but that's the same thing. Open the account and deposit money into it.
This can be dollar, $20, $50, 100, it doesn't matter. You're young, you might not have that much, and that's okay. But what matters is that you're actually depositing money into the account and you're investing the money that you deposited into the S and P 500, aka the letters V O O, in the search bar. If you're unfamiliar, the S and p 500 is financial jargon talk for the 500 largest, most profitable companies that operate in the United States. Their stocks tend to go up about ten to 12% per year, which means your investments will as well.
So by investing a month into this fund from, let's call it 22 to 67, $100 a month, that's it. You're going to retire with $2.3 million of tax free money waiting for you to enjoy in retirement. Congrats. You're now a multimillionaire, and that's only from $100 a month. Imagine if you made it 200, 300, 400.
Right? We're going to get into that and the fun stuff there. But that is the first action item anyone listening right now can take to ensure financial freedom in retirement. The second action item, Robert, is to build your base as quickly as possible, which means having $50 to $100,000 invested into the stock market. Now, before you throw up in your mouth a little bit, it because you're just thinking about, oh, my God, how am I going to get $100,000?
That's insane. Just hear us out, right? We're not saying that you have to have $100,000 in cash, and that's on top of the Roth IRA money or any other money you already have. We want you to have between $50 to $100,000 invested total across everything as soon as possible. And if you're looking for a timeframe on this before 30 years old, so before your 30th birthday is a really good sort of time horizon, you can give yourself, call it eight years or so, right?
And here's how you're going to do it. You're young and you have all the time in the world, so don't waste it by going out and partying every weekend with fake friends, because you're not going to be friends with these people in five years, ten years anyway. Don't waste your money on them now. Instead, learn the side hustles or go get a side job that's going to allow you to earn an extra few hundred bucks or maybe even an extra thousand dollars a month to start building your base with. This is a long term game.
We're talking five, seven, eight years here. Right? But what we always say is the number one key to success with building your base is by investing early and often. Robert, I love this breakdown, Austin, and it really just covers everything that we talk about on a regular basis. And getting the people to understand, stay away from FOMo, implement delayed gratification, and really understand that the earlier you set yourself up and let compound interest do its job through this basket of ETF's.
Robert Croak
And doing this Roth Ira, the better off you're going to be in the long run because so many people do it the opposite. They sit there and they spend beyond their means. They live beyond their means all through their twenties and thirties. They wake up in their 40 43 years old and they're like, oh shit, I don't have anything saved towards retirement. Then they're playing catch up.
So I love this strategy. And speaking of ETF's, let's take a moment to talk about some of the funds we personally like a lot. This episode of the Rich Habits podcast is brought to you by Neos Investment Neos offers ETF's that aim to offer monthly income while providing portfolio exposure across equities, fixed income, and cash alternatives like t bills. Their ETF's may be interesting for folks looking to generate passive income inside their investment portfolio. They even offer ETF's that provide exposure to the S and P 500 index or the Nasdaq 100 index while aiming to offer high monthly income beyond what investors would receive from plain exposure to the index.
Austin Hankowitz
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Robert Croak
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Austin Hankowitz
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Robert Croak
So let's now flip the switch. Things not to do during your defining decade. This is the crazy critical, critical points we want to make for everyone listening. And remember, this is for graduates. So share it with a cousin, share it with a niece, share it with a son or a daughter, because this is going to be so important to help them figure it out along the way.
So here we go. Number one, do not go into high interest credit card debt. Let me say it again. Do not go into high interest credit card debt. This is a crutch a lot of my personal friends use to supplement their lifestyles.
I see it every single day. I personally know people in their thirties, twenties who have 812, even $20,000 of credit card debt, constantly holding them back from building wealth. You know, and you look at it at first, these people really never had the intention of going into credit card debt, but fell victim to it after getting the FOMo from living in a cool town like Nashville or Miami or even here in St. Petersburg. And this debt is bad and will continue to ruin you financially if you're not ahead of it and staying on top of it.
Now, remember, we don't think credit cards are bad. We're not saying that credit card debt is bad and carrying a balance is worse. If you manage your credit properly, it can be a great wealth building tool. But most people don't do that. That is why you need to look at the snowball method or some of these other methods to make sure to get it paid off as soon as possible.
Number two, don't fall victim to the decades old american dream myth that owning a single family home is a great investment. We're not saying don't buy real estate. We're saying, though, that in your twenties, you should house hack. We talk about this all the time. There's a mortgage out there called the Fannie Mae 5% mortgage where you can buy up to four doors, $1.3 million to buy a duplex, a quadplex, or a triplex.
Very, very simple here. And the main perspective we want you to understand is that for your first property, we don't think it should be a single family home because you're tying up too much of your money, that down payment, the closing costs, and too much of your credit. So, in our opinion, you'd be better off to find a duplex in your hometown, priced between three and 500k, maybe something that you can afford. Put down that 5%, it might be twenty k. And get that up and running.
Then you can live in one unit, you rent out the other unit. So they're paying part of your mortgage, if not all of your mortgage. And this will really set you up, because not only are they paying down the mortgage for you, but you get the tax benefits and the capital appreciation, which is incredible. And this single move can put you so far ahead of your peer group in the early stages and really build your wealth early on. So this is what we believe is a great strategy for those just starting out in real estate.
Austin Hankowitz
And you know, Robert, a lot of people listen to Dave Ramsey and what he has to say about going out and making sure your first home, you go buy it out, you put as much down as possible. Then you spend 2345, $600,000 of your hard earned money over the next decade paying it off, tying up all of that money inside of the single family home, which isn't producing any income for you. We're instead telling you to go a different route, something where you can still live, but also a way that's going to produce income for you, not only while you live in it. But this could even be thought of, Robert, as a stepping stone to building out a larger real estate portfolio throughout your life. I mean, in your twenties, if you go out, for example, I have a friend named John Arrangman.
He's also a content creator, Johnny finance. He lives in Cincinnati, Ohio. Robert and I think when he was 24 or 25 years old, he bought a duplex. It was about a quarter million dollars. He lived in one half.
He did it with low interest rates during COVID and he rented out the other half. Well, now, you know, he's gotten married. He wants to upgrade his lifestyle a little bit. He's making a little bit more money. And so he has completely moved out of that first duplex.
He now has two units, right. Both sides of the duplex that are paying him money covers more than the mortgage. He's seen the capital appreciation, to your point, the tax write offs, all the cool stuff that comes with that. And now he's ready to start upgrading his lifestyle a little bit and go into that next duplex or single family home now that he has something that's working for him with his money and paying him every single month. So that's the kind of mindset shift we want people to make.
It's like you can either put all this money into a single family home and live there, which is cool, or you can still live somewhere and have that same place pay you. We want to always be thinking about ways to make money with our money and putting our money to work. Yeah, that's a great analogy. And my issue is that Dave Ramsey's math just ain't math. We use that term all the time and it just isn't because we always talk about velocity of your money.
Robert Croak
And if I can make over here, 1011, 1215 percent with my money, and over here, I can get a mortgage for five or 6%. Even right now, 7%, I'm still going to have the positive arbitrage over here. So for me, I am never paying down a low interest mortgage. And for so many people that bought homes during COVID for the two, three, 4% mortgage, that's even worse advice, because if you're sitting on a three or 4% mortgage, which we may never see those rates again, and you can go over here in the voos that we talk about in the spyi and the QQqs, if you can go over there and make 1012, 15%, all of that positive arbitrage is going to you and not someone else. Because what most people don't understand.
Sounds cool to say you own a home. Sounds cool to say you have all the equity in the home. But guess what? You can't do anything with that equity. So it's an opportunity cost that's just sitting there doing nothing.
Now, is it accumulating? Sure, that is true. But if you take that same opportunity cost with that money and get it working in the markets, you're going to be so much further along in your financial journey. That's why we always say when you're first getting started, please house hack first, because it gets you into real estate without tying yourself up and really locking you down and not being able to make moves. So that's why we like house hacking first.
Austin Hankowitz
And there are so many duplexes, triplexes, even a quad plex if you want to go that big. But start with the duplex. There's so many out there again, that are between this 300 and $500,000 range. You go put 2020, $5,000 down in a couple of years, when you can afford that, or maybe even in your late twenties, who knows what your plan is. But that's going to be a stepping stone for you to now build out a real estate portfolio that's going to be paying you for the rest of your life.
The rest of your life. Robert. All right, Robert, let's move on to point number two, the middle stage. You're finally starting to hit stride in your career. No matter what line of work you're in, you got the job you're happy with, or maybe you even started the company that you've been dreaming of for years.
Now it's go time. So starting with some financial action items related to your career that you can do right now. The first one is everyone should be contributing to their 401K up to the match so they can receive the free money that comes with the match. Right. We always say up to the match, no matter what it's invested into, because that's free money.
The contribution will come out of your paycheck before you even see it, making it sort of like this forced savings account that will pay you dividends in the future. When I was 22, 23, 24 years old, working my nine to five job, I was like, man, I really don't want to contribute to my 401K. This is like an extra $300 a month. But I guess I should do it, right? I guess I should.
And when I finally left that job, Robert, I had 20 grand, dude. I had 20 grand in there. And just like two and a half years. It was insane. So I think that's an awesome financial action item everyone can do right now in their career.
The second financial action item everyone can do right now as well is not to make the mistake of having too much money withheld from your paychecks every pay cycle. Let me say that again. Don't make the mistake of having too much money withheld for taxes during your pay cycle. You do not want a massive tax refund in April. You don't want that.
People make this mistake all the time because they think they're doing something right by having the government pay them back a bunch of money at the end of the year. No, that's not the case. The government is holding on to this extra tax money that you earned throughout the year, and they're not paying you a dime in interest to hold onto it. We want that money in our pockets working for us, invested. We want that to be used toward building our base.
Now that I've shared a couple of my favorite financial action items as it relates to people's careers, Robert, I want you to share some highlights regarding hiring and firing people. As you've run businesses with hundreds of employees throughout your long career, I would. Say, first and foremost, the most important thing for everyone listening and everyone you share this episode with is to understand one thing. You have to remember that your boss might be acting like your friend, giving you all the high fives. In the beginning, everything is going great, but that can turn on a dime and you can find yourself unemployed overnight.
Robert Croak
If the economy turns bad or the company has financial issues, who knows? So it's always so important for you to keep your eye on the prize, and the prize is you. You see it all the time where people talk about every six months, put yourself out there, see what you can do internally to see if you can move up in the company, put offers out there externally, and see if you can find other better opportunities. Because we always hear the story and we see the memes about it, that if you something happened to you, your company would replace you in 48 hours and move on from your job. So it's so, so important for you to always understand and know your worth and always be accelerating your job, whether that's increasing your skill sets, keeping up to date in skill set, something that's been going around a lot lately, is AI is not going to take your job.
The person that's better at AI than you is going to take your job. And this really illustrates what it means to stay on top of your skill sets. Because if you do and you can fill those positions within your company or a new company, because you're ahead of the curve when it comes to skill sets, you're always going to have upward momentum in your salary and in your compensation packages. This is so, so critical. Too many people stay loyal to companies that are not loyal to them.
And I don't want you to fall victim of it because of the fact is, the upside is just not going to be there for you long term, unless you're with a startup that's going to give you a piece of the company, because at the end of the day, they would fire you or replace you in a second for a better offer. And you need to be looking the same way. I completely agree with this advice, Robert, 100%. To play devil's advocate, a piece of advice I got from one of my old bosses when I worked at this multibillion dollar healthcare company. He was about ten years older than me, so he was kind of where I wanted to be in ten years.
Austin Hankowitz
And the advice he gave me was to find someone at your job, if it's a boss, a mentor, whatever, and ride their coattails. What he said was, for example, his mentor was about 15 to 20 years older than him. He was a decision maker, right? He was a hot shot, and he was rocking and rolling. And so he said, let me work as much as I can around this guy, so if he jumps to a new job, he's going to see me as invaluable and ask me to come with him.
And that's exactly what happened. So he was this analyst for, you know, one of these C suite decision makers. I think it was at Humana. And then the guy at Humana became the CEO of the company I worked for and pulled the analyst with him and then gave him a vp role right off the bat. And so he was sort of riding this guy's coattails from one job to another.
And I totally agree. Your job, you know, these companies, they're ruthless. If they got to do layoffs, if they got to do budget cuts, like, you're on the chopping block. Time to go. I can give you all some stories about that, especially with my girlfriend.
But I do highly want to encourage people to find that version of themselves that they want to be in that ten or 15 year period. And if it's with a boss in or out of your department, a mentor, maybe they don't even work at your company, but kind of put yourself around them a little bit more. And if they do job, hop to another company, let them know, hey, I'd love to come work with you at this new opportunity. Now, speaking of that, Robert, the second thing I want to mention, too, just to really lay in your point here, companies are going to get rid of you so quick, you can even blink. I mean, my girlfriend was working for a company back in 2022, and she was rocking and rolling five star performance reviews.
Everything was going great. And then she randomly got called in on a Thursday. Right, whatever it was. And the CEO and the head of HR were there, and he just said, sorry, we got to lay you off. We're doing budget cuts.
You and the whole other marketing team are gone. We don't have money for you anymore. Thanks so much for your time. See you later. Bye.
Here's, you know, three weeks or four weeks of severance. Good luck. And this was after. You're doing great. We can't wait to promote you.
We love you. You're awesome. And it's like, sorry, see you later. Bye. Right.
So just want to really nail in this point to your. To your kind of perspective here, Robert, is that you should always be sharpening your skill sets, keep your resume up to date. And this sort of second point, you know, really leans into that, which is networking. Right. Networking is not just a meme we hear in college and high school and after.
Right. I can say with certainty that my business has grown tremendously over the last two or three years because of networking. Now, when you're employed and you're working out at a company, networking might mean attending maybe some mentorship programs or different workshops around town. For me, for example, I worked at a healthcare company, so there was sort of this mentorship program called Leadership Healthcare. We'd meet every other week.
We'd all go get coffee and lunch, and I get to network with people there. It was an awesome opportunity. I met a lot of friends, maybe that is even taking some competitors out to lunch. You want to be friendly here. This isn't like business.
Networking is being personable and just making new friends that also happen to work in the same field or industry as you. So when I was working at my corporate job, I was always meeting people for lunch, for coffee, you know, beers after work, whatever it was, not just to learn about, again, their job, but about them as a person. And here's what I would do. This is the hack. Make an Excel spreadsheet with a couple columns.
The first one should be the person's name. The second one should be where they work. The third one should be where you guys met for drinks or breakfast or whatever it was. And the fourth one should be something interesting that they were working on that you can follow up about. And let's call it three or six months when you want to reopen that door for a conversation.
Right? Oh, you know, last time we talked, you were working on this project about ABC XYZ. How'd that go, by the way? Did you know, were you able to hit that deadline or do whatever you wanted? Wow, Austin, thanks so much for remembering.
Yeah, dude, I was able to do that. You want to look at beers and talk about it? Sure. Right? That's kind of what we're talking about here.
With networking, it's not just adding someone on LinkedIn. Networking is being personable. But speaking of adding people on LinkedIn, Robert, we talk about all the time the cold DM effect. Right. People write off how powerful a cold DM can be sometimes, and even on LinkedIn.
Right? Especially if it's just really someone random. Sending them a cold DM can turn into a coffee chat one morning. That could turn into a job opportunity the next. It really is so powerful of a technique.
Robert Croak
So I'm going to give you a wrinkle on your hack that has been just incredible for me for the past 25 years. Whenever I go to a networking event and I meet someone, and we meet like 30 people in a 24 hours period, and everyone's like, yeah, let's exchange numbers. And you leave and you can't remember who they were or how you met them or why? Here's what I do. When I meet them and I get their phone number, then I immediately, when I'm talking throughout, I take notes that they don't know I'm taking of what they're doing, what they're working on, what they're excited about.
And then I take a selfie with them and I make that the profile pic, because then I can remember in the contact who they are, what they look like. So I have the recollection that has just completely been game changing for me over the last 25 years. And another thing I do is I have an assistant who will find out their birthday through whatever channels, whether it's LinkedIn or whatever. And then we have an automated birthday card system that goes out to everyone in my contacts. All of like the top hundred people are blown away when someone as busy as me sends them a birthday or a Christmas card that's not pre stamped.
And she just gets them all together and I sign them. Just such an incredible hack. And it's those little tiny things that set you apart that might help you get that next vp role, get that advancement in the job, because your personal and people see that you're out there hustling and putting in the work. We all hear the term, you're one meeting, you're one event, you're one email away from a totally different life. And it is totally true.
Austin Hankowitz
You know something else, Robert, as we're just kind of jamming here that I think is really important is know how to send a really good email to know how to articulate your thoughts via email. That is such an underrated superpower. Another underrated superpower was my old boss and I. There's canva. There's a lot of other things today, but back in 2017, 2018, there was only PowerPoint, right?
And this guy was a killer at PowerPoint. So figure out your superpower. Figure out your superpower as a recent college or high school graduate and lean in on it. Because I promise you, if you are really good at one thing or another, and your boss or peers can see that they're going to absolutely favor you when it comes to starting that next project or giving you the promotion or whatever that might be, so it is. Man, I've.
God, what a fun episode this has become. There's the oldest term in the book, and I don't know for the youth out there if they've ever heard this, but it is absolutely true and somewhat annoying. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. So when you're in that big corporation and you're trying to show people that you have initiative and drive and hustle. That squeaky wheel kind of analogy really does work.
Robert Croak
So let's get into point number three. You have the playbook now it's time to execute and retire a multimillionaire. So we're going to lay the groundwork. Things are rolling along nicely, but there's going to be countless distractions that will delay and get in the way of you retiring a multimillionaire. Do these two things religiously and you'll be just fine.
So let's get into number one, build and stick to the honest budget. This is exactly what it sounds like. You need to know how much money is entering and exiting your bank account every single month, where the wiggle room is, and then automate your investing as much as possible so you can stay consistent. You hear us talk about this all the time, but so many people, even in their thirties, forties, fifties and sixties, do not do this. They leave investing to happens and they don't automate it.
Kind of like that 401K that comes out of your paycheck. The more you automate money away from you that you're getting active and getting that velocity on your money, the better off you're going to be in something. Else too, as people are building their honest budget. Obviously we have a budget template in the show notes below that you can go download and use. But a couple other of our favorites.
Austin Hankowitz
You know, we really, really like. Copilot. Copilot is an awesome application. It's not free, you know, go pay the $20, whatever it is, for it. But it is so worth it because it allows you to see all the different spending categories that a normal person out there your age would have.
You can, in real time that will look at your, you know, debit card or credit card, whatever's hooked up to it, and it will automatically siphon and categorize things that you're spending in real time. So in case you forget something, like, like just, it does it for you automatically. But I remember Robert when I was 23, 24 years old, 22, right. And I was, I was making my salary and I was like, okay, I've got this money. Like, how am I going to spend it?
How do I, what's going on? How do I do this? There's a sense of relief. You kind of even feel like you got a raise. After you sit down and you open up your bank account, you open up your credit card statement, you open up everything that you spend money through, and you look down, and you write it all out in paper on a yellow pad or a notebook, whatever you have, or written it up in your, in your excel workbook here, but you feel like you got a raise, and you have this sense of relief and clarity because you're like, okay, I can do this.
I've got $4,500 that comes in every month, or $3,200 that comes in every month. And I gotta pay this rent. I understand my fixed costs and my variable costs. I know how I can find wiggle room here. I don't need to go buy those shoes, because what I really wanna do is put it here.
Oh, oh, yeah, I can go upgrade to this now. Cause I've been saving for the last couple of weeks or months or whatever it is, it is a relief. So once you create this honest budget, and Robert, tell people why we actually call it the honest budget. Yeah, I think we coined that phrase a year ago. And we should trade market, and we definitely need to, because I see people's budgets by the dozens every single month for people that I'm trying to help with their financial education.
Robert Croak
And it's remarkable how many people say, yes, my budget is complete. And then I look at the budget and I'm like, um, I don't see anything for the dog treats. What about the nails? What about the haircuts? What about the weekend trip to the farmer's market where you paid cash for the cool flowers and the granola bars?
People leave out so many people of their budget, so we just changed it a little bit to the honest budget, because the more you lie to yourself and the more you lie to us, the people that are trying to help you, the worse off you're going to be. And that is the origin of the honest budget and why it's so important. So now, before we jump into the second action item to retire a multimillionaire, we have to talk about the market volatility that comes with it. Market volatility likely isn't going anywhere. However, you can still diversify a portion of your overall portfolio with historically risk reducing assets like contemporary art.
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Austin Hankowitz
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Robert Croak
And we talk about diversity all the time. And you know, a lot of the fake gurus out there are going to tell you to go all in on one thing, you know, whether it's real estate, because they're selling you a real estate course or whatever it may be, and we just don't agree with that. We think that you should always have diversity, especially after building your base, because it puts you in a position that if one sector goes down the toilet for a while, you are not going to get wrecked in these investments. And that's why we love diversity. Okay, let's talk about point number two.
Increase your velocity with money as you earn more throughout your life and career. Think about investing as a percent of your total income versus a flat dollar amount. Do your very best to not let lifestyle creep continually. Eat away at your opportunity, stealing from what you can afford to put away monthly. This is so critical to understand because this is why we want everyone to know their debt to income ratio.
We want to see that 15, maybe 20% of your net monthly income going towards your savings and investment. But if you don't know what that is and you go, oh, I'll put away 100 a month, 200 a month, 500 a month, and that might be way below the amount we'd like to see monthly based on your income. This will kill your lifetime ability to earn and build your wealth. So it's very important to know what that is. And that's why we want to go as a percentage of total income, not a flat dollar amount monthly, especially as.
Austin Hankowitz
You mature in your twenties and in your thirties and throughout your career. Right? Like, we don't want you to stick to, you know, it's cool to start your Roth IRa with $20. That's all you got. That's fine.
Like, get started. We're here for that. But as you turn 28 or 32 or 36, right, and you're making 80, 9150 thousand dollars a year, because you're smart and you're college educated, or, you know, you're a hustler and you're making more money, don't stick to $100 a month. Don't stick to $200 a month. Right.
Really scale that up with your income. Right. Be thinking about investing as a percent of take home pay, not flat dollar amount. That's our biggest takeaway for becoming a multimillionaire throughout your life is do not let lifestyle creep you. Say, oh, wait a second, I just got a raise, Robert.
I'm gonna go buy a newer car. And with this new car, money that I could have put to investing, I'm gonna have a higher monthly payment on my depreciating asset. Or I'm gonna go finance a new kitchen for the house because I think it's good and I wanna do this. And now I gotta pay it off for the next ten years, or I wanna go do this or that. No, no, no.
Those things can happen, happen. We're not saying not to do those things, but what we're saying is you should have a plan for those things. They should not be impulse, emotion driven decisions. What you should be doing is as you make more money throughout your career, you should take a percentage of that extra money you're making and invest it toward your future. That's how you will retire a multi, multi, multi millionaire throughout your lifetime.
Robert Croak
Yeah, lifestyle creep happens every single day and you don't even realize it. Right in front of you. It's this vaporous matter. Every single day you're looking at your checking account, you got that $800, the $2,600, the $5,900 sitting there and you think, oh, I can go ahead and click this little button and that $200, that $800 item can just show up tomorrow. Guess what?
That's lifestyle creep. It might not seem like it because you think lifestyle creep only means buying the new car, buying the new house. But guess what? Buying the new iPhone when your one year old model is fine is lifestyle creep as well. That is why we always preach to have your money spoken for and make sure you always have velocity on your money.
Because if you don't, you will always live beyond your means and you won't get to the place you want to have a comfortable retirement. Mic drop. Boom boom, grads. We are so very proud of you and we cannot wait to see what incredible adults you turn into over the coming years and decades. Send us a photo of you at your graduation via email@richhabitspodcastmail.com and we'll pick five of you and we'll send you $100 to get started on your investing journey.
Austin Hankowitz
This goes for parents, too. And you must actually be in the picture, which means no googling fake grad pics to try and scam us out of our generosity here. We want to help the youth want to help the youth get invested, so leave the money to them. But Robert, what a great episode. We're so excited for our grads to be now hitting the workforce.
They're excited as well at Imagine. And don't forget, we've got a couple things coming up. First one is the Rich Habits newsletter. If you're a recent graduate, you want to stay up to date on personal finance, business, investing, things like that. Very picture focused newsletter.
Head on over to the description in the show notes below. There's going to be a link to subscribe to the newsletter. We already have 40 plus thousand of you that read that every single Thursday. Secondly, we have a options trading webinar with our friendsublic.com, taking place on June 4 at 04:00 p.m. eastern time.
We have limited seats, so if you've not yet check that out, go register. It's completely free. It's going to be a blast. We're going to learn about long calls, long puts, call debit spreads, all the fun stuff that you don't know and I don't know either. We're going to learn together.
It's going to be a lot of fun. Robert. And finally, again, if someone sent you this podcast episode, send it to a friend. If you're listening right now as a graduate and you care about your best friend. And you're like, I want my boys or my girls.
I want my friends to all be wealthy. Send this episode to them, because this is as straight up as it's going to get. We told you what to do. We gave you the playbook, the action items, the one, two, three, ABC. Send this to them on Apple, on Spotify, YouTube, wherever you're listening or watching right now, share this episode with them.
Say, I care about you and your financial future. You got to do these things with me or hold me accountable, right? Go find yourself an accountability, buddy. I love it. I hope you just made that up.
Robert Croak
Yeah, I think about it all the time for this episode. It gives me goosebumps, because I think back in the day when me and two of my friends all made the same amount of money, we were, like, 19 years old. We worked at the same company, yet they never had any money, and I always had money. And then I equate it to the days of now, the modern era, where you go out with your buddies, and they're always sucking drinks off of you and getting you to pay for their lunch and saying, I'll venmo you back. And they never do share this episode with them, because if you help them with their financial literacy and you get them rolling in dough like you are, then you won't have to worry about them mooching off you anymore, and it'll put you in a better position.
Austin Hankowitz
Yeah, that reminds me, Robert. I've got two, three friends here in Nashville that, like, every month, we just like. All right, boys, how much are we investing in the markets this week? What are we investing in? Who's excited about this, right?
Whoa. Nice, dude, you just hit, you know, 40 grand in your Roth Ira. It's so exciting. Or, oh, your brokerage account just hit $1,000. Dude, I'm so excited for you.
Or, oh, you paid off the credit card. Congrats, man. Like, find your circle and make this episode be, you know, finding that circle, send it to your friends. Like, all right, guys, we're graduated. Time to focus on getting the bag, baby.
2024 year. Getting the bag for these college and high school grads couldn't be more excited. Everyone, thanks so much for hanging out with us on this episode of the Rich Habits podcast. As always, leave us a five star review. Have an awesome, long weekend, and we will see you next Monday.