Why 2024 Should Be About the Supreme Court

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Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.

Dan Pfeiffer
I'm Dan Pfeiffer.

Tommy Vietor
I'm Tommy Vitor.

Speaker B
Dan, nice to have you in La.

Dan Pfeiffer
It's great to be here.

Speaker B
Damn. He's here for today's pod. He's doing the Wednesday pod with the DCU.

Dan Pfeiffer
Doing the Thursday pod with you.

Speaker B
Yeah, it's a big Dan week. All right. On Today's show, President Biden makes his pick pitch to black voters and talks Gaza. During a pair of speeches at Morehouse College and the NAACP in Detroit, Justice Alito and his wife flew a stop the steal symbol outside their house right after January 6. That's cool. And Rudy Giuliani celebrated his 80th birthday by getting served and serving coffee.

How do you like that? We'll get into it later. But first, the prosecution rests in the people versus Donald Trump. The defense and da finished up with Michael Cohen on Monday and two witnesses that the defense call that. I still can't understand why they called them.

And Justice Mershon said we should expect the trial to wrap up this week with closing arguments next Tuesday. After the Memorial Day holiday.

Trump did his usual pretrial whining outside the courtroom, where he lamented the fact that his felony charges are preventing him from campaigning in two primary contests that took place months ago. Let's listen and we go on day after day.

Donald Trump
And I can tell Iowa, I'm sorry I won't be able to make it. I tell New Hampshire, sorry, I won't be able to make it. I'm sitting in an icebox all day.

Speaker B
I'll admit I usually find the, imagine if Joe Biden did that brand of outrage, a touch over torqued at times. But imagine if Joe Biden did that. That one was pretty, that one was pretty IO new. Is pretty crazy to say.

Tommy Vietor
Yeah. He does get confused about this election a lot. He thinks he's running against Obama a lot. He thinks he's still in the primary. He's going to early states. He thinks he won 2020.

Dan Pfeiffer
Maybe he's letting us know that their internal polling on Ohio is not superb in Ohio. God damn it. Maybe I shouldn't run for president.

Tommy Vietor
Yeah, you are.

Speaker B
Senior moment, Dan.

Dan Pfeiffer
It happens.

Speaker B
Yeah.

It was sort of a wild day in court on Monday.

Dan Pfeiffer
I do just, can we just harp for 1 second on the double standard here?

Because if Joe Biden had done that, we would be on day five of democratic panic. There would be several New York Times columns about why Joe Biden needs to drop out right now.

Political playbook would do a long q and a with a neuroscientist.

Tommy Vietor
That's right.

Dan Pfeiffer
And it's not. It is not.

The media is. The coverage is not why Joe Biden is not winning this race. That's not why. Right. He's winning people who read newspapers so bad. Newspaper coverage is not his problem but still do a better job, people. It's just, it's a ridiculous double standard. If we worked in the White House, it would drive us insane.

Speaker B
Yeah, yeah.

Tommy Vietor
Fox News would get, like, a neuralink on one of its reporters. Maybe one of those little Elon Musk.

Speaker B
There was a lot of screaming after the trial as well. He may have, like, violated his gag order again because he was talking about the defense's witness, his witness, who's this guy, Robert Costello, who's Rudy's ex lawyer, who they put up on the stand to say that Michael Cohen was a liar. And then the guy's, like, rolling his eyes and sighing and saying, jesus, and all this kind of stuff. And the judge was so pissed that he cleared the courtroom. And then. And Trump is like, how could they have treated him like that? He was a good man. He's a good lawyer, and he's, like, screaming after court and he's doing the whole thing. It's, this is gonna be. It's gonna be an interesting, interesting couple, interesting week or two on how this thing wraps up.

Tommy Vietor
I listened to all the legal experts. I listened to Norm Eisen. I listened to the other pods on other networks that we won't name. I have no idea how this is gonna go. Do these jurors really not know that Michael. Michael Cohen's a liar? I feel like Michael Cohen told them he's a liar. How much is this gonna matter?

Dan Pfeiffer
I just wanna get all of the legal eagles in a room together and give them a real lesson in expectation setting. Cause every one of them is like, the cases come in great, locked down. I haven't seen a single crack. I cannot possibly imagine that anything could go wrong. It's like, people.

Tommy Vietor
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker B
I mean, the defense at the end of Monday, tried to ask the judge to throw the whole case out because there's no evidence that Trump had any criminal intent. This was the question I asked Norm last week. And then the prosecution's like, there doesn't need to be evidence that he had intent, that he just needs to. He caused the falsification of the business regulation.

Dan Pfeiffer
Yes.

Tommy Vietor
I mean, Politico had a good piece on this, how Trump seems to constantly demand things from his lawyers that they know are bad legal strategies. Like, he's constantly asking for his lawyers to demand a mistrial, even though they know there's no basis for one, and it makes everyone involved look stupid.

Speaker B
Yes. Yeah. You can tell there's a lot of that lawyering going on in this trial. So contrary to what he said, Trump has made quite a few campaign appearances recently. He was in Minnesota and at the NRA convention in Dallas over the weekend, where he once again said just a bunch of crazy shit that makes it really hard to believe the race is tied.

Here's the sample.

Donald Trump
But I want to just start off by saying, hello, Minnesota. This is a great state. We're going to win this state. I thought we won it in 2016. I thought we won it in. I know we won it in 2020.

I just want to debate this guy. But, you know, and I'm going to demand a drug test, too, by the way. I am. No, I really am. FDR, 16 years, almost 16 years. He was four term.

Speaker B
I don't know.

Donald Trump
Are we going to be considered three term or two term? You tell me, Ronnie, what do you think? In my second term, we will roll back every Biden attack on the second amendment. The attacks are fast and furious, starting the minute that crooked Joe shuffles his way out of the White House.

And honestly, there's been no president since Abraham Lincoln, and perhaps in a certain way, including Abraham Lincoln, but there's been no president since Abraham Lincoln that has done more for the black individual in this country than President Donald J. Trump.

Speaker B
There's been nobody, not even close in a certain way. What way is it? Including Abraham Lincoln, only we could have follow up questions. I know. So that's all from just two speeches and wanted to play that because I think it highlights a challenge that Trump's opponents have always faced, continue to face, which is this. The guy gives you so many targets to choose from. Like, how do you decide what to hit just in that, lying about the election again, floating a third term, which is the headline that Politico went with, promising to let dangerous people buy guns again, which is what he said at the NRA convention and barely got any coverage at all.

What do you think, Dan?

Dan Pfeiffer
I think one, all those, we've talked about all those crazy things, previous times, we've definitely podcast about the Abraham Lincoln thing in the past. It's not even the first time we've had to do that. And the third term thing, we've talked about that many times.

Speaker B
Yep, that's true.

Dan Pfeiffer
But.

Speaker B
And lying about the election is just.

Dan Pfeiffer
That is, that's just. He opens his mouth.

Speaker B
It's like a little crazier to say it about a state that Joe Biden won by like seven points, I think nine points in 2020. That one wasn't close.

Dan Pfeiffer
I mean, you don't know how big that steal that was stolen was.

Speaker B
Yeah, that's true.

Dan Pfeiffer
But in this case, it is.

The most obvious and important point to make is the gun safety stuff. You have to look really hard to find something more unpopular than repealing the gun safety laws that are already on the books to make it easier for people and for the very specific audiences that Joe Biden has struggled with, particularly young voters in that Snapchat social sphere poll that was done a few weeks ago about voters under 30, when they asked young people what they were most stressed about. Inflation, number 172 percent. I think it was number three. Right behind healthcare costs, was gun violence. So for young voters, you have Donald Trump saying he is going to make it easier for dangerous people to buy guns. And we already have gun safety laws that are so porous in this country going to make them more porous. You're going to undo the only gun safety law that's been passed in the last 20 years.

I think this is something that, it is a dereliction of duty for this not to be a bigger deal in the press coverage. And I also think that talking in an election where vote voters are this cynical, we're going to have more success talking about the things that Donald Trump will take away from people than the things we might be able to give them because they, they don't believe for good reason that Congress is able to do something big. But here we're gonna. You don't think, you think things are bad now he's gonna make them worse?

Speaker A
Yeah.

Tommy Vietor
I should think of, like, a systemic way to think about this. And I think you wanna filter out the rage bait. There's lots of stuff he says that is designed to trigger the libs and rally the base by triggering us. And when we focus on that, I think it's to our detriment. Similarly, when you see some random MAGA candidate put out a video on Twitter, you know, like the woman jogging in the bulletproof vest yelling about gay people. Like, she tweeted that because she hopes someone like me will, quote, tweet it and share it. So we want to avoid that.

Dan Pfeiffer
Did you?

Tommy Vietor
I did not. I did retweet Jason Kander quote, tweeting it. So I broke my own rule.

Speaker B
Yeah, it's ok. I'll allow it.

Tommy Vietor
Dan always says, screenshot your enemies, quote, tweet your friends. I would also, I think I would avoid things that feel backward looking. Like, I think people don't like the 2020 lies. They don't like January 6. But I think you want to talk about the future, which does get you to the guns point again. And also the Harvard poll, Harvard youth poll also had, I think, 67% of Democrats were very concerned about guns, 51% of independents. So I would definitely focus on that. Cause it gets to the stakes of the next election and not just the records. And by the way, that whole NRA speech was out there. He was bragging about deeming gun and ammunition sellers as critical infrastructure during COVID so that they could stay open, which I did not remember.

Speaker B
I don't remember that either.

Tommy Vietor
But it seems like an insane abuse of whatever process they had in place to try to keep us safe in service of helping out the NRA.

Speaker B
My general rule is we got to go after him on what he'll do, not what he said, and particularly when it relates to new information for voters. And this is, you said 1st. 1st gun reform bill that passed in 2030 years and overwhelmingly bipartisan. Was it a great bill? Was it? No, I mean, like, it wasn't the best.

Tommy Vietor
Didn't do enough.

Speaker B
Did it do enough? No, it did not do enough. But what he's talking about here and repealing it, like, red flag laws to remove weapons from people deemed a threat to themselves and others. The bill also prevents people convicted from domestic abuse from owning a gun. So we're gonna repeal that. Background checks on 18 to 21 year olds. Gonna let 18 year olds buy assault weapons we want without a background check. Right. And then the gun show loophole. Right. Which President Biden finally closed and means that, like, there's just. It basically stops gun trafficking without background checks from gun shows and online dealers and all the other kind of stuff that is just so. That's gonna be so unpopular, appealing.

Dan Pfeiffer
Yeah. I mean, each of those provisions generally have north of 60% and often north of 70% support.

Speaker B
You mentioned the press has got to cover it also. Like, Democrats got to drive this stuff, too, because there was a lot of back and forth on the debate challenge. Right. Or the drug tests for the debate thing that we saw a lot of back and forth on that. A lot of back and forth on. Like, I didn't even play this clip, but there was the weird thing where he paused. He, like, froze during one of the speeches, and the prompter broke. And he's tried to, like, fix the prompter, and he's, like, joking about the prompter, which actually seems sort of funny.

And they were like, that was. Everyone's tweeting about that. I'm like, this is just not. It is not as useful and effective at actually changing people's minds or getting people out to vote than telling them, oh, yeah, by the way, there's gonna be dangerous people with guns again in your community.

Dan Pfeiffer
There are sort of two ways to think about communications in this world we live in right now. One is you adhere to the old way of doing business, like a macro communications metal, where you're gonna have one story, you're gonna try to drive that story, and you're gonna pick moments from your opponent that undergird that story. But if you're gonna do that, you have to be consistent on what those moments are. Right. It can't be strongman, dictator today, feeble fall asleep in the courtroom guy five minutes later. And within the NRA speech, people were, within the official democratic universe, were simultaneously complaining that he was going to be a strongman who served three terms and he can't stand on a podium.

And that is a problem.

Speaker B
It doesn't fit. I know. It's a fundamental problem.

Dan Pfeiffer
Now, the other way to do this is to decide that in a world where only decided voters consume mass media, that we think differently. And you pick the pieces, and then you work backwards from your audience. Right? Like, who are our target audience? What do they care about? We need to get young voters. For young voters, the most important part of this speech is the gun safety stuff. Right? For a different segment of the audience, you might pick that, and then you would use sort of trusted messengers to deliver that. But we're, like, living in both worlds, and we are. It is just times a flat circle. It's the same. It's 2016, it's 2020 all over again. And it's just either pick one thing, pick it, pick a lane, and stick in it, or decide that you're not gonna even worry about sort of what your mass message is and just target your audience with targeted messages.

Tommy Vietor
You don't think it should be like Biden holding a selfie stick, being like, I just pissed in the cup.

What about you, Don?

Your move, Donnie?

Speaker B
Honestly, it's like, just imagine talking.

Tommy Vietor
I'll keep that one to myself.

Speaker B
I think that's great. I think he's just imagine talking to someone on the doors or on the phone who's, like, wavering about voting for Biden. Would you be like, well, I just gotta tell you, did you trump at a speech the other day? He was fooling around with the teleprompter.

Tommy Vietor
Yelled at the lighting guy.

Speaker B
Yeah. And he asked for a drug test and be like, what are you talking about?

Tommy Vietor
No, it's the most insane.

Speaker B
No, actually, the domestic abuser down the street who doesn't have the gun, like, yeah, he wants to give him a gun.

Tommy Vietor
And this is annoying and hard because political playbook clearly spent, like, three days emailing the Biden team asking for a response on the drug team, and they finally responded. And so you have to deal with a press corps that isn't focused on the big things you want to talk about. But that's, you know, part of the challenge.

Speaker B
That's another complication.

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Meanwhile, we also had a couple weekend speeches from Joe Biden, a normal president who's a bit old and not very popular but has done a bunch of stuff he promised and wants four more years to finish the job. The president gave the commencement at Morehouse College in Atlanta, which is historically black and all male. He also spoke at an NAACP event in Detroit. In both speeches, he acknowledged black Americans frustrations and laid out the pretty clear choice in the election.

Joe Biden
It's natural to wonder.

Democracy you hear about actually works for you.

What is democracy?

If black men are being killed in the street, what is democracy?

Betrayal of broken promises still leave black communities behind.

What is democracy?

You have to be ten times better than anyone else to get a fair shot.

And most of all, what does it mean, as we've heard before, to be a black man who loves his country, even if it doesn't love him back in equal measure.

Speaker B
What'd you guys think of the Morehouse speech?

Tommy Vietor
That section made me think of the conversation I had with Terrence Woodbury on this pod a few weeks back, where he talked about how important it was to make voters the hero of the story and talk to them about their agency and their power if they turn out to make things better, but also to recognize in that same breath, especially for voters of color, that you can't just talk about protecting democracy because a lot of people don't feel like it has worked for them. You have to talk about fixing it, restoring it, improving it. And it seemed like Biden heard that messaging or heard that tweak and spoke to it a bit there.

Dan Pfeiffer
Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think it got to. I found it interesting because it revealed, I think, how Biden is himself thinking about what is the core challenge of his campaign strategy, which is, in a time of historic cynicism, particularly among core elements of your coalition, how do you run on a platform of saving our current political system? And so trying to understand people's frustrations with it, to acknowledge those frustrations and then explain why we still need to fight for democracy is that is the circle they have to square in order to be able to succeed with the strategy in which. On which they're running right now.

Speaker B
Yeah, I thought it was really smart and honest and just to acknowledge that not only black voters, but a lot of people just don't feel like democracy is working for him. And then he sort of ended by saying, my commitment to you is to show you that democracy is still the way. I think he could tease that thread out further in the months to come. I found myself wishing he would do that a little more on the economy.

You know, just really acknowledging people's frustrations with how things have gone and. And what he's gonna do in another four years to, like, make life better for people and, uh, instead of just doing the accomplishments list.

Tommy Vietor
I mean, you two know this better than anybody. I mean, commencements are so tricky because you have this national message you're trying to deliver, but you have to speak to the people in that room, because it's a huge day for them and for their families. And I did think it was interesting. I was listening this morning, and I guess having just had a second kid, it kind of hit me all over again. Hearing President Biden talk about loss in his life and losing his kids. It hit me very differently in talking about how you persevere through that, through faith and community and empathy. And he singled out the parents of the graduates in particular, and talked about how proud they should be to help. Getting all those graduates there. Thought it was a nice moment.

And then also just speaking to how brutally hard the last four years have been for all these kids. I mean, coming through the pandemic, going through the George Floyd protests, just like the generally toxic political climate, I don't know if it resonated like the press coverage suggested, that most of the applause came from alumni and not necessarily students. But it was interesting to see President Biden try to connect with this generation a quarter of his age, even if it didn't work.

Speaker B
Yeah, the personal stuff really landed with me the same way. And, like, I've heard him tell those stories before.

He really, I haven't heard him talk about it in that much detail in a while. When he lost his first wife, when he lost his daughter, getting the call, when Beau and Hunter were almost killed in that crash as well. And then later when he talks about basically Beau when he was dying of cancer on his deathbed, making Biden promise that he wouldn't give up and he'd stay in public service, it does make you realize, like, this is why he's doing this.

Dan Pfeiffer
Our old friend David Axelrod often has talked about this before, where in your first campaign, you run in your bio and then you win, and you think everyone, when you run for reelection, you assume everyone has known your bio because you talked about it was in a billion dollars in Vas. You talked about it every stump speech for two years. But people don't remember it. They lose touch with that part of the story. And I think it's really important for Biden to continue to do it because it is truly who he is. If you've ever spent any time around Joe Biden, that is so clearly the loss he has suffered defines how he thinks about the world, how he relates to people. But it's also evidence of his strength and his toughness that he went through all of that and persevered and gets up every day and still does his job and still fights for so many other families. And in an election where strength is really driving a lot of the political conversation about how a lot of voters are thinking about who they're picking, that is Trump's huge advantage. And it is a way to narrow it, to talk about how he went through those experiences as evidence of his personal strength. Right. And I think that's just really important. And he does it so well. And like, we, I hope and imagine we will see at some point in this more bio ads, which I know seems crazy because he has been on the public stage for 50 years. He was a vice president for eight years, our president for four years. But we have to remind people of that story because they don't, they thought about in 2020.

They haven't thought about it since.

Speaker B
Well, and it's also not just a bio story for the sake of telling your bio. It's the bio story as your motivation for your presidency and for why you're in public service, which I think is important. To your point about strength, too. He also was very interesting. I thought he took on sort of like the fake notion of strength. And he said extremist forces who peddle toxic caricature of what being a man is about. Tough talk, abusing power, bigotry. Being a man is about the strength of respect and dignity. Showing up because it's too late, if you have to ask, standing up to the abuse of power. So really, you know, both a contrast, an indirect contrast with Trump. Cause he didn't say his name, but, you know, he's talking to an audience of young men, young black men. And we have talked about before how, you know, over the years, young black men, young latino men, young white men, too, have sort of been drifting away from the Democratic Party because some of them are sort of taken with this sort of false caricature of what being a man is really about. And I think it was really good that he took that on.

Tommy Vietor
One best articulated by NFL kickers as of late. They're really teaching us how to be toxically male.

That point you made about President Biden recounting his deathbed conversation with Beau Biden, that was new information to me, too. And it was really interesting. I mean, I knew, obviously, his book is called promise me dad and his need for him to stay in the fight. But it did make me think, because there's clearly some lingering frustration in 2016 between President Biden and President Obama for not encouraging him to run. And whenever I thought about that conversation, I would sort of think to myself, if I had a friend who just lost a child, the last thing in the world I would tell them to do is run for office because it's just, like, agonizingly awful. But it's clear that the way President Biden viewed it was as a promise he made to his own son to continue this fight and be in politics.

It helped me understand better sort of where he was coming from on all this.

Speaker B
And I think it answers the question, like, he's 81 years old, why is he doing this again? Why didn't he step aside? And I think, a, he really does believe that he's the best person to be Donald Trump and continue to serve as president, and b, he just really wants to stay in the fight, partly, I think, because of the promise he made to bow. Now, is that right? Will it work? We don't know. That's what the whole election is, but it does answer that question.

Tommy Vietor
It helps you understand it.

Speaker B
There were reportedly a handful of students who turned their backs on Biden during his speech to silently protest his Gaza policy.

And the president actually talked about the war in his remarks. Let's listen.

Joe Biden
I want to say this very clearly.

I support peaceful, nonviolent protests. Your voices should be heard, and I promise you I hear them. What's happening in Gaza, in Israel is heartbreaking.

Hamas vicious attack on Israel, killing innocent lives and holding people hostage. It's a humanitarian crisis in gossip.

That's why I've called for an immediate ceasefire.

An immediate ceasefire to stop the fighting, bring the hostages home.

This is one of the hardest, most complicated problems in the world, and there's nothing easy about it.

I know it angers and frustrates many of you, including my family.

But most of all, I know it breaks your heart, breaks mine as well.

Leadership is about fighting through the most intractable problems.

It's about challenging anger, frustration and heartbreak to find a solution.

It's about doing what you believe is right, even when it's hard and lonely.

Speaker B
So I thought it was indicative of the challenge Biden has on Gaza that he said all that just a day before he called the International Criminal Court's application for an arrest warrant against Bibi Netanyahu outrageous. It just seems like he's trying now to thread the needle in a way that is making no one happy. What did you make of his comments?

Tommy Vietor
Yeah, I mean, I think that's right. I mean, also it seems to confirm some previous reporting that Jill Biden in particular is very concerned about what's happening in Gaza.

Speaker B
I bet he was. I was maybe his grandkids, too, for sure.

Tommy Vietor
I'm sure all of the above. I do think it speaks to the fact that when it comes to Gaza, Biden has a lot of power. But at the end of the day, he can't force either side to do what he wants. I mean, they've spent an enormous amount of time trying to broker a ceasefire agreement. Bill Burns, the CIA director, has been over there constantly trying to work with the parties, work with Qatar and the Egyptians and Hamas and Israel to bring together some kind of deal. But Biden can't make Hamas release the hostages and take the deal. And he can't force Netanyahu to accept the ceasefire.

He can pressure both sides as much as he can. And I'm in the camp where I've wanted to see the administration do more to pressure the Israelis to protect civilians and to offer a deal that would lead to a ceasefire. But Netanyahu's got his own political incentives and we've seen he likes to pick fights with the US. So I think what you also heard there from Biden is he's alluding to the fact that the longer term challenges that will come after the war is over are even harder. His team has been working really hard on trying to get a normalization agreement between the Saudis and the Israelis that they think will lead to a path to a palestinian state. Consider me very skeptical that that's going to happen, that Netanyahu is going to agree with anything that would lead to a two state solution. But look, I don't know what they know. I'm not part of these conversations.

And that's clearly what he's alluding to here.

Speaker B
Yeah, I mean, your point about you can't just pick up the phone and make a call. I mean that sort of was like driven home to me with a couple days ago. Netanyahu, who's a defense minister, Galant. Yeah, Galant basically said like, I'm leaving the coalition if there's no plan, right, I'm gonna leave BB's government, you know, the wartime coalition that he's got put together. And Netanyahu is just like, yeah, fuck off.

Tommy Vietor
He also gave him a three week deadline.

Speaker B
Three.

Tommy Vietor
You got three weeks to fix this.

Speaker B
And then, yeah, it was like, yeah, I'll do, I'll take one day to respond. I don't really care. And it's just like if Netanyahu's not even going to respond to domestic pressure at home, political pressure, it's like, you know, obviously, you know, we have talked about it before and advocated like Biden has been able to pressure BB into, you know, letting more aid in. And of course he like withheld the 2000 pound bombs for, you know, the, to try to stave off an invasion of Rafa.

And he's had like, you know, mixed success on some of those things. But getting him to just end the whole war is a pretty hard thing to do.

Tommy Vietor
Yeah, look, I mean, Israel's a sovereign country. Netanyahu is a leader who's going to make decisions based on what he thinks in the security interests of Israel, but also in his own political interests. And Netanyahu is far more concerned about the far right wing in Israel and members of his coalition that have said overtly that if he doesn't invade Rafa, they will pull out, they'll topple the government. And then you could see a process that leads to Netanyahu getting prosecuted and being unable to save himself from that prosecution. I'm not saying that any of those are good reasons to continue war. I think they're deeply immoral and wrong. And I would love to see the administration do more things like withholding the delivery of 2000 pound bombs, which should never be used in an urban environment like Gaza in the first place, let alone Rafa. But there's limits to the power.

Dan Pfeiffer
Are you saying that a corrupt autocratic leader would go to extreme, immoral lengths to avoid criminal prosecution?

Tommy Vietor
That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

Dan Pfeiffer
That shit didn't happen here.

Tommy Vietor
I think the ICC needs to call balls and strikes and if they see someone they think has committed war crimes, they should prosecute that person. But I think what you're hearing from the administration is concerned that at a time when they're seeing fractures within the governing coalition in Israel and hope that would create political pressure on Netanyahu, that this ICC process might actually bring the coalition back together and put some wind at Netanyahu's back politically. I don't know if that's the right analysis, but that's what the report about how they're thinking about this.

Dan Pfeiffer
Just two quick things on the speech. One, I think it is really important that the president of the United States stood up for peaceful protests as a core american value and part of our democracy, particularly at a time in which the person he's running against is demonizing protesters, threatening to deport protesters for just expressing their First Amendment rights. So I think that was an important thing to do.

Speaker B
One Republican just introduced a bill in the House for anyone who is convicted of trespassing or disorderly conduct at these protests, any college kids, to send them to Gaza. That's the.

Dan Pfeiffer
Can I think of an event in our recent history where a bunch of people trespassed on perhaps the second branch of government.

Speaker B
Yeah, just where they're in choir now.

Dan Pfeiffer
Where are they going?

Speaker B
They're just choir singers.

Tommy Vietor
Just so hypocritical.

Dan Pfeiffer
The other thing, just looking at it, just listening to Biden's speech here, is it's just a reminder that communications cannot solve a policy problem. And the policy problem here, and the political problem, frankly, is that what has become defined as success politically for Biden is completely, almost entirely outside of his control. Right. This is the. I can't. Tommy, you can speak better to the flaws from policy perspective in the hug net and Yahoo approach. But in the hug net and Yahoo approach is you still need Netanyahu to do what you need done. And he is an untrustworthy, corrupt individual. And so, yes, he can call for a ceasefire and do all these things, but you either are going to have to radically change us policy towards Israel in a way in which has never been done before, or have Netanyahu be a person who was not BB Netanyahu and do something totally different or you're going to end up right where you are, which is in a situation where you are pleasing no one and angering everyone.

Speaker B
Yeah. I mean, look, I don't like how Joe Biden has handled Gaza. I think it's based on, it was fundamentally based on a misguided view of Netanyahu and what he'd do. But hearing him talk about like leadership is about fighting through intractable problems. It's about doing what you believe is right even when it's hard and lonely.

You can tell that he is genuinely wrestling with this, with this decision, with all the decisions he's made and how, and how just hard it's been to like figure out a way to actually end this war, you know?

Tommy Vietor
Yeah.

Dan Pfeiffer
And that's just, is if you want to end it, you have to get BB to end it. You can't just say end it and have it end. And I'm sure that is what everyone who's ever worked in government deals with. This expectations mismatch between the power they believe their leaders to have and the power their leaders actually have to accomplish things and how that process works. Yeah.

Tommy Vietor
I mean, I do think they should have put pressure on the israeli government earlier and been harder about it. I mean, banning delivery of 2000 pound knobs is such a no brainer that Bob Gates, George W. Bush's defense secretary, then our defense secretary, said it was obviously the right thing to do. Right. But then you'll see how Netanyahu reacts to this and he's like, we will fight alone if we have to. And he knows damn well that the Israelis are getting all kinds of military and intelligence support from the United States. They're not fighting alone.

Dan Pfeiffer
Right?

Tommy Vietor
They're not getting a shipment of 3000 502,000 pound bombs. Give me a fucking break. That that's gonna mean you're fighting alone.

But yes, at the end of the day, you are dealing with an actor on the other end who frankly wants your opponent to win the election and you have to approach them accordingly. And it can't be outsourcing your messaging or strategy to that person. Yeah.

Speaker B
And again, none of it is satisfying from a communications or political perspective. You say that you're not going to send the 2000 pound bombs and then another deal happens the week after with like a billion dollars in weapons that are going to Israel, but they're not going to go for a couple years. But like, does anyone, does anyone like, well, it's incoherent.

Tommy Vietor
I mean, it's an incoherent policy. Like, let's just call it what it is, right?

Speaker B
And it's just, it's a hard one to explain when it's an incoherent policy.

Tommy Vietor
And you have a bunch of democrats voting in support of a bill that basically says the US can never condition any military assistance to Israel. So, I mean, that's ridiculous.

Speaker B
It's not to excuse any of it, but it's fucking brutal.

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Speaker B
So if you needed a reminder of why you should still vote for Biden, even if youre unhappy with him, here it is. The New York Times reports that in the days after January 6, Trump supporters flew upside down flags outside their homes as a symbol of solidarity with the stop the steal movement. And according to photographs and interviews with neighbors, one of those homes belonged to none other than Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito. Alito responded by giving an interview to who else? Fox News, where he blamed the whole thing on his wife, Martha Anna, and said that she only did it after getting in a fight with a neighbor who posted a fuck Trump sign near a school bus stop. Legal reporter Chris Geithner also reported a couple days after that. Alito dumped his Bud light stock last summer after the company was targeted by right wing activists for featuring a trans person in an advertisement. When a neighbor calls you and your preferred candidate names, you know you have no choice but to publicly support extremists who wanted to overturn the last free and fair election. Right. That's just the way things are.

Dan Pfeiffer
It's natural.

Tommy Vietor
Did you guys know that the upside down flag meant this stop the steal thing?

Speaker B
I did not know.

Dan Pfeiffer
I did not. The question is, how did Martha Alito know it?

Tommy Vietor
Well, that's the thing, right? That suggests that she is a terminally online freak in some weird Maga spaces.

Speaker B
Exactly.

Tommy Vietor
Jeannie Thomas.

Speaker B
Because I saw some people tweeting, like, oh, you know, if you google upside down flags up the steel and you take out the results from this story, like, it doesn't have a lot of. There's not a lot of news stories about that.

But the New York Times report is like, yeah, it was on social media. It was on chat boards. Like, people were posting stuff online.

Dan Pfeiffer
What is her four chan username as well?

Tommy Vietor
There's a parlor.

Speaker B
You have to be really in deep, which clearly Martha Analito and probably Sam Alito are.

Tommy Vietor
That's a real founding father's name right there. Martha Analito, is that real?

Speaker B
What is going on with the wives of the Supreme Court justices?

Real housewives of January 6.

Tommy Vietor
Well, shout out to Justice Alito for blaming his wife. Again, that's what a real man does. As we learned from Harrison Becker.

Again, as strict scrutiny pointed out in their excellent podcast on this today, at no point in their statement do they deny that Alito knew this was a stop the steel flag or stop the steel symbol by flying upside down, or do they deny that that was their intention.

Speaker B
Yeah, that's a good point.

Dan Pfeiffer
I mean, it's insane. And it's worth noting, at this exact moment, when that upside down flag was flying on their house, the Supreme Court was still making decisions about which election related court cases to take up, let alone right now. All the election related cases before Donald Trump, Sam Alito's family, and Sam Alito.

Speaker B
Was on the losing side of one of those.

Dan Pfeiffer
Sam Alito's family flew in pro insurrection flag. And right now, Sam Alito is part of a group of people who are making it so Donald Trump may not face legal accountability for crimes emanating from said insurrection.

Speaker B
It is wild.

Tommy Vietor
And the Supreme Court code of Ethics specifically says you cannot engage in political activity or make political statements full stop.

Speaker B
I mean, and then the Bud light thing, that might seem like. But it's like, what are you doing? And he also. And then he dumped the bud light stock and then he bought Coors light stock.

Tommy Vietor
Well, and again, he also, I mean, for those who don't remember this, this was a cause picked up by the vicious libs of TikTok account.

And basically the sort of TikTok on this, thanks to Chris Geithner over at Lawdork, was on August 13, libs of TikTok posted their most vicious post about Dylan Mulvaney. And the next day is when Alito sold his Bud light stock and bought the core stock. So again, the information ecosystem there is.

Speaker B
Criminally right wing and weird.

Dan Pfeiffer
But you see this with a lot of these older establishment republicans, like even Bill Barr, right, who then he briefly had a dalliance with the resistance, but he's back.

But these are, you know, these are, you know, well educated, well read. You imagine him just like, poring over the federalist papers, but he's not. He's watching the fucking five.

Speaker B
You see the story in the New York Times, like, put out a statement, if anything, a bullshit. He does an interview with Fox.

Dan Pfeiffer
What it is so on the fucking nose.

The only media outlet I could possibly.

Speaker B
Trust, and this is after Jeannie Thomas, is like texting with Mark Meadows on January 6.

Tommy Vietor
Shout out to that neighbor for documenting it, though. Whoever took a picture of that Aliyah flag. Thank you.

Dan Pfeiffer
And you know what? Great reporting from the New York Times.

Speaker B
Yeah, great.

Dan Pfeiffer
The lead of that story is fucking Pulitzer Rock.

Speaker B
Jody Kantor did a great, great job on that piece. So, Dan, you wrote a great message box on this issue titled why Dems should run against the Magus supreme Court.

What's your argument?

Dan Pfeiffer
Well, I mean, everyone who's listening to this is obviously subscribed and read it. But for the rare few of you who haven't, I will survive. I will summarize it for you in this election. Right. We are in a situation where the voters that Joe Biden needs, like the path to winning is actually pretty clear, is you look at the New York Times Yeana poll and there are all these people who are supporting Ruben Gallego for Senate in Arizona, Jackie Rosen for Senate in Nevada, Bob Casey in Pennsylvania, Tammy Baldwin in Wisconsin. But they are either voting for Donald Trump or a third party candidate, most likely RFK junior, the top of ticket. These are the voters we need, right? For some, they are. They support democrats, they support democratic policies, but for some reason they've soured on Joe Biden. So we have to convince them that it is a mistake to throw away their vote at the top of the ticket. I would struggle to come up with a better reason than the Supreme Court.

Like, just think about the stakes here, right? We ultimately get this, people. We have to make this election bigger than a contest between two unpopular old men, which I think is a very unfair characterization of Joe Biden.

Speaker B
But that's how the, that's how voters.

Dan Pfeiffer
Are seeing it, right?

And so we have to make it bigger and think about the stakes of the Supreme Court. If Donald Trump wins, he will almost certainly get two more appointments by the end of Trump's term. Second term, where he to win, Alito will be or Thomas will be 82, Alito will be 78.

Speaker B
They're definitely retiring.

Dan Pfeiffer
They're definitely retiring.

Speaker B
Trump points again.

Tommy Vietor
And it could be just KBJ, like, holding down the fort.

Dan Pfeiffer
Justice Somaor will be 72 at the end of jumpstart. So he will definitely get two appointments. If he has two appointments, that means he will have appointed five Supreme Court justices, all of whom will be around or below the age of 60 when he leaves office. That is a MAGA court majority that will rule for decades. We can win the next, however many presidential elections, and absent something sort of extraordinary happening, Trump's fingerprints will be all over the Supreme Court. And so I think we should make this a big issue. And we know this works because in 2016, that vacant Justice Scalia seat that McConnell held open was one reason, and you've heard this on a lot of focus groups and post election surveys, that Republicans who did not like Trump at the last minute were willing to hold their nose and vote for Trump because they would care about the Supreme Court. So I think we can do that in reverse. So we should talk about the corruption of the court. We should argue about it. We should talk about the stakes. We got to make it matter to people. Talk about a court that is, has our freedoms at risk. The court that overturned Roe v. Wade, a court that's going to look at things like contraception, marriage equality, a court that under Roberts has almost never, ever ruled against a corporation gutting workers rights. We make it matter, people. And one way that we can also do this to ties in with the corruption is to run on and argue for a code of conduct for the Supreme Court, which does not have one, for rules for financial closure, which they don't really have, and actual accountability for violating those rules.

Because these are lifetime points. Like, I'm a personally a supportive expansion, I'm personally a supportive term limits. That is not something that we're going to be able to get done right now. So focus on something that has a huge, real chance of passing if we have the House in the Senate and a democratic president to sign it and is incredibly popular, even with Republicans. So I think we should talk about it. We have, sometimes I just think we have to try to get this election to something bigger. And the Supreme Court is about as big as it gets.

Speaker B
And by the way, Trump knows what's going on here and is ready to nominate a bunch of really young judges. In fact, he just said that at the NRA event in Dallas. Let's listen.

Donald Trump
Then I called up my people and I said, I have a guy from New York who's an incredible lawyer. He's got the right temperament. He'd be a really great judge. Oh, good, sir. How old is he? I said, he's 69, sir.

So he's going to be there for two, three, four years. We like people in their thirties, so they're there for 50 years or 40 years we don't want. And as soon as they said that, I realized, yeah, they're exactly right.

Speaker B
So like we said, Thomas and Alito, if he wins, are retiring. They'll get replaced with, you know, 40 year old, and then it'll still be six three. If sotomayor has to retire, either for health reasons or other reasons, then it's a seven two majority. And John Roberts in that majority would be the only one over 60 years old.

That whole court.

Tommy Vietor
And what counts as a lib?

Speaker B
And what counts as a lib? Yeah. And just so people know, like, that means, like, for the next 20, 30, 40 years, even if we elect a democratic president, a democratic congress, the court would strike down any laws they pass to protect abortion, access, limit climate pollution, protect voting rights, reduce gun violence, limit the power of corporations, limit the influence of money in politics. And it's like, it's just, that's it. That's 20 or 30 years. And, like, if you, if you think that, like, consigning yourself and your children and your children's children to that future is worth not voting for Joe Biden because you're upset with him over inflation or Gaza or any other issue, then, like, you absolutely have the right to make that choice. But you should know that that is a choice that you are making and you are contributing to that.

Dan Pfeiffer
Just to put some math on this, this is a stat I used to use all the time. When Brett Kavanaugh is the age that Ruth Bader Ginsburg was when she died, my daughter will be in her mid thirties. She turned six on Thursday.

Tommy Vietor
That's how long Republicans historically have done a great job of helping their voters understand why this matters so much and we have not. Do you think that's almost entirely been because it's an abortion related sort of conservative, religious message from their side, and therefore is our path to doing the same, just making it about abortion access?

Dan Pfeiffer
Yeah, I think that's a huge part of it. I mean, Roe was what galvanized Republicans around the court, and Dobbs is what is galvanizing Democrats around the court. But what we have to do, and we did a great job of that in 2022. And abortion remains a top issue for huge plots of voters. But we know from the polling that the electorate could be 40% larger in 2024 than it was in 2022. And among that 40%, abortion is a less salient issue for them just because they're less.

They are not necessarily more conservative on the issue than the population at large. They're just as pro abortion access as everyone else, but they're less politically engaged, less thinking about it. And there's that. I think it's 17% of voters in the New York Times Santa poll who blamed Joe Biden for the overturning problem.

And these are people that we can go get and you can raise that sentence, but you have to talk about it, right. It has to be top of the issue.

Speaker B
And that's why even that list of issues, I think you got it. Like, any issue you care about, almost any issue you care about is gonna be something that the Supreme Court could strike down from a democratic president, take an executive action, Democratic Congress, passing a law. I mean, it's just, and again, it's not like a bunch of John Roberts, who is no moderate, but is at least, like, not as crazy as.

Dan Pfeiffer
Oh, you mean the John Roberts who right now is helping Donald Trump avoid prosecution for trying to overthrow the government on January 6?

Speaker B
You know what? No upside down flag in front of his house. So there you go. That's where. That's what we're dealing with right now. So, yeah, it is. I do think that you have to make it. You have to.

It takes a little doing because you have to educate people on, like, this is what the Supreme Court can do, and these are the laws it could strike down. But I totally agree that it's the, it's a, it's an important issue to run on, and we should make it a big deal.

Dan Pfeiffer
And it's one Joe Biden has been hesitant to run on in the past because he's such a court institutionalist from his time with the judiciary committee. It's why? He has been very hesitant on criticizing the court, very hesitant on pushing for coming out in support of code of ethics and those sorts of things, certainly on more aggressive notions like expansion and term limits. But it would be a little bit out of his previous practice to talk about it more. But I certainly hope he does well.

Speaker B
It's like he doesn't even have to talk about expansion in court. No, no.

Dan Pfeiffer
That's why I picked the code of conduct, because I think that is the place where we all agree. Oh.

Speaker B
I mean, even the code of conduct aside, all he has to say is, like, you elect me, I'm going to replace these judges with more progressive judges. Look what I've done at the federal court already. Like, he has a record here. Look what I did with Ketanji, Brown, Jackson. You elect Trump, we're fucked.

Dan Pfeiffer
I think the corruption message, I don't think Joe Biden is going to call the court corrupt, and I understand his natural instinct did not do that. But I think the rest of us can and should, and Sheldon Whitehouse and others who are very smart on these issues have done it. But I think that's an important part of the message, is he gets at that sort of anti establishment, anti corruption message that is powerful. It's a way for us to do that.

Tommy Vietor
Well. And also, I think Biden isn't the only one who sometimes feels like he's speaking from about a bygone era in terms of the judicial system. I mean, Senator Dick Durbin even very recently talked about reinstating the blue slip system, which allows the delegation, the Senate delegation from a state to basically veto certain judicial nominees. And that's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Why would we consider bringing back the blue slip process? Why would we give Republicans an opportunity to just veto left and right Joe Biden's judicial nominees? Like, we gotta balance out the court.

Dan Pfeiffer
I'm just gonna tell you this right now, that if Donald Trump wins the White House, and they're probably gonna take the Senate, I'm gonna be wearing a bring back the blue slip.

Speaker B
Yeah.

Tommy Vietor
And he will find you and beat you up.

Dan Pfeiffer
I'll be like, restore. Restore the nerves that Kirk got to restore filibuster.

Tommy Vietor
The filibuster's kind of awesome.

Speaker B
I love the filibuster.

Tommy Vietor
The difference there is laugh in your face and then do it right.

Speaker B
All right, before we go, we here at pod Save America, just want to wish a happy 80th birthday to Rudy Giuliani, who received the best gift of all from an unexpected guest at his big Palm Springs party Friday night, a criminal indictment for trying to overturn the 2020 election in Arizona. The New York Post reported that when Giuliani was served, towards the end of his party, guests were screaming and crying, find so funny.

How did they find him, you may be wondering? Well, it may have had something to do with a tweet Giuliani posted from the party. From the party with a picture of him surrounded by a bunch of young women, in which he taunted the Arizona attorney general by writing in the tweet, if Arizona authorities can't find me by tomorrow morning, they must dismiss the indictment.

Tommy Vietor
I heard that.

Speaker B
Dumb as fucking criminals.

Tommy Vietor
I read somewhere that the person who served him can be seen in the background of the clip singing him happy birthday.

Speaker B
That's amazing.

Dan Pfeiffer
I mean, you were at a party. It's what you should do.

Tommy Vietor
I don't feel bad for Rudy Giuliani, and I never will. I did read all about this and think, I pray to God that if I'm lucky enough to make it to 80 years old, I spend my birthday with my family and my friends and not on, like, a drunk livestream with agit prop white nationalist, alt right Santa Claus Steve Bannon, which is the saddest scene ever.

Speaker B
And I hope you're not getting served.

Tommy Vietor
Well, yeah, there's that, too. I'd rather go to jail than hang out with Steve Bannon on my birthday.

Dan Pfeiffer
I think that's a choice you may have.

Tommy Vietor
That is a choice. It's a choice we all might have.

Dan Pfeiffer
Foul.

Speaker B
And in case you guys were worried about Rudy living out the rest of his life as a penniless convict, not to fear, he's got a brand new business venture you guys might want to invest in. Let's listen. You all know I stand by the truth.

Dan Pfeiffer
And if I put my name on something, I truly believe in it. Today, I'm thrilled to introduce you to.

Speaker B
Something I'm incredibly proud of. My own brand of organic specialty coffee, Rudy Coffee. Believe me when I say it's the.

Dan Pfeiffer
Best coffee you ever tried. It's smooth, rich, chocolatey, and gentle on your stomach. It's so good, I even recommend drinking it black.

Speaker B
Now, look, who are we to judge selling crooked coffee here? But I don't know. I don't know if we've ever sold it as well as kid.

Dan Pfeiffer
I mean, not even close.

Speaker B
He put his heart. It goes on, by the way, for like 30, 40 seconds. This video, it's very sad.

Tommy Vietor
I'm surprised he didn't call it ground zero coffee.

Speaker B
Oh, my God.

Dan Pfeiffer
Like Twin tower coffee ground zero was a great congratulations. Come on, you lost me at Twin tower.

Speaker B
Stick with the grand zero, okay?

Tommy Vietor
Rudy, we're here for you.

Dan Pfeiffer
I mean, just. I would like to have been in the original marketing meeting. They were like, here's what we need. We need people who believe the election was stolen, but also like their coffee, organic and also have gut problems.

Speaker B
I was just gonna say, yeah, it's the gut problems. It's the classic gut problem ad, which, again, we read plenty of here.

Tommy Vietor
911 coffee.

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm the one dining out on 911, not Rudy Giuliani.

Come on.

Dan Pfeiffer
I kept trying to come up with a January 6 coffee pum, but I'm.

Speaker B
I know, I've been trying. Yeah, it's been good. It's tough to think of it on the spot.

Dan Pfeiffer
Capitol grounds.

Speaker B
Ooh, that's pretty good, dude.

Tommy Vietor
Wow.

Speaker B
Cattle grounds.

Tommy Vietor
I like that.

Speaker B
If you guys have a name for Rudy Giuliani's coffee brand, please send them in. We'd love to hear them tweet them at us. So anyway, that's Rudy Giuliani.

He's broke.

He's maybe going to jail, but he's still selling coffee.

Tommy Vietor
Shout out to our buddy Mike Gottlieb, who helped to win the case against him.

Speaker B
That's right. That's right.

Dan Pfeiffer
It's gonna be getting to share his clients. Gonna be getting to share that. That Rudy coffee profit.

Speaker B
Khalid is the lawyer that won the defamation case. Our good pal from the White House days. All right, one last thing before we go. We've teamed up with the branch for a great new limited series, killing justice. It's hosted by our friend Ravi Gupta, and it's a story about an indian judge who died under mysterious circumstances, how his family started questioning the official story in India's hyper polarized politics in this increasingly critical moment. You can listen to the killing justice trailer now on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And don't miss the two episode premiere on May 27. For ad free episodes, join the Friends of the pod community@crooked.com. Friends. All right, that's all we got for today, Dan. Glad you could make it.

Dan Pfeiffer
Fun to be here.

Tommy Vietor
It's great to see you, man.

Speaker B
Great to have you fill in for Lovett, who we all miss and we hope is coming back at some point.

Dan Pfeiffer
Maybe.

Tommy Vietor
I think you said eat, pray, love it last week. Yeah, I like that.

Speaker B
I'm glad that you caught that.

I've been working on that one for a while. Anyway. Alright, we'll be back on Wednesday. With a brand new episode. Bye, guys.

Dan Pfeiffer
Bye, everyone.

Speaker B
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Why 2024 Should Be About the Supreme Court

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1: Introduction

2: Impact of the Supreme Court

3: Political Strategy

4: Looking Ahead

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