Suge Knight OPENS UP About Diddy, Dre, Tupac, Biggie & Eazy-E | PBD Podcast

Patrick Bet-David
Two weeks ago, I'm outside my office. My assistant comes up and says, suge Knight wants to speak to you from jail. I said, who? He said, suge Knight? The suge?

Yes. Gotta be kidding me. No. Get on the phone. We have a great conversation together.

He says, hey, I watched the podcast. I want to come on and do the longest podcast and speak to you about any questions you may have about Diddy, Jay Z, Biggie, Tupac, what's going on with music industry, et cetera, et cetera. So then yesterday, we have the podcast that we do. He calls in six times. Each call is 15 minutes.

We have to edit it because he is calling from prison. And we had a great conversation together. The things he said to me about Diddy was very interesting. He says, do you think Diddy independently picked up these habits, or do you think somebody taught him? And who taught him?

He dropped two names of who he claims that taught Diddy these bad habits of what to do with boys. And he says, usher can stop it because there's something that he. And then he brought in. You know, we talked Tupac, how the difference between him losing Tupac that cost him money, versus the difference between Diddy losing Biggie, it made him money, and the feud and the stuff with Dre at the end, when Dre was going to get 50%, $60 million, how that whole arrangement worked out. And now the negotiation with Easy E, what he said about Easy E's feud with Dre, that I had never heard before.

Anyways, if you're somebody that follows hip hop, you know the whole story, because a couple of weeks ago, dame dash on. So that was a whole different conversation that we had. If you're somebody that follows these things closely, I had Greg kating in a pass before telling me exactly who shot Tupac. Biggie. Cause I'm curious.

The detective that did the background on this, you're gonna be glued to the phone to hear what Suge has to say, because when Suge answers, sometimes he goes like this. You just kind of have to hear what he's trying to connect the dots. But if you speak that language, you'll kind of know what Suge is saying. And there was a couple parts that he could be a comedian. But with that being said, here's Suge Knight on PBD podcast.

All right, so we have a special guest here with us today, Suge Knight from RJ Donovan Correctional Facility prison in San Diego. Shug, for those of you that obviously follow hip hop, his background, founder, co founder of Death Row Records, at $1.750 million of generated revenue. I think one year they sold 60 million records, 150 million total records sold. They had some of the biggest albums ever signing easy, Snoop, Dre, Tupac, Nadar, corrupt MC Hammer, Warren G. The list goes on.

Shook, it's great to have you on the podcast today.

Suge Knight
Great being on you, and I appreciate. That, by the way. You know, one of the things I think it's important for the audience to know is the fact that you just said, look, whatever Pat wants to ask, I want to have all the conversations. Any questions, nothing's off the table. Is that correct?

I like Pat. And one of the things that I always feel, if you ever go southern and have a platform, it's about telling your truth to the next person, truth to help the generation. I agree. By the way, shook, did you, by any chance, before we get started, did you ever have a chance to watch the Cat Williams podcast with Shay? Shay with Shannon Sharp?

Patrick Bet-David
Did you watch the whole thing? Well, number one, you know, best family. At the same time, I'm in the penitentiary. Watch that. But I heard about it like the whole world did.

Suge Knight
I heard it was a great interview. Now, let me ask you, sug, your experience with Kat, if you were, if for the audience, you and Kat have hung out, who is Cat to you? Is he a stand up guy, good friend, relationship guy that you could trust? Oh, I can trust him. Okay.

Now, I'll say that about too many people. But at the same time, you know cat, who he is. And if you really want to understand, Katie, he on tour right now. Go buy one tickets, parole, and he won't hear it all. That's the best way to find out about travel.

Patrick Bet-David
Even from there, you're selling tickets. You can't. No matter where you're selling. No. The only reason I asked this question is because when he did this interview with Shannon Sharp, and I know you played in the NFL before, when he did this interview with Shannon Sharp, everywhere, everybody was talking, but also people were quiet.

I want to play one of the clips, Rob, if you can play the clip of what Kat said to Shannon Sharp about Diddy, I just want you to hear this, since you haven't heard a whole thing. This is just a snippet of what Kat said about Diddy. Go for it.

Suge Knight
You gotta play it all. Catching hell in 2024, it's up for all of them. It don't matter if you, Diddy, or whoever you is, TG, Jakes, any of them, all lies will be exposed. That's all. And anyone who takes that the wrong way.

Know why they take it the wrong way? Now, when this came out, he went after, you know, Diddy. He went after TDG. He went after a lot of people in the space. Had you, Kat and Diddy, did you guys ever party together?

Patrick Bet-David
Three of you guys? I know you and Diddy spent some time together, but did you, Kat, and Diddy ever spend time together?

Suge Knight
I'm not going to say I never had a threesome. I damn sure ain't had no threesome with no means. That's not what I'm asking.

Patrick Bet-David
Well, listen, that is becoming an everyday. Something new pops up where it's no longer a surprise nowadays, and your telephone. Number is monitored and recorded. But I guess the question I'm asking is, did you. Did you catch.

Did you, Diddy and Kat ever hang out? Where. And the reason why I'm asking this, where you actually personally witnessed some of the accusations that Diddy is having, saying the fact that he had cameras in the room. This is. This.

Suge Knight
Okay, listen. I'm gonna tell you. We from two different worlds. Number one, him and I. Number two, I'm the guy they didn't want to fight to.

Those forties. I'm glad of it. I've never been that would be left out of my life. But at the same time, I'm not the guy who's in for puppy downfall, but I am the guy who support the victims who got victimized. Right?

But at the same time, whatever the situation is, everybody know is wrong. And I don't think you get punished as hard as the regular person, because, you know, he used to be FBI employment for a long time. They say, so price, you play a role. You're saying, question me, Kevin Puffy. We had no reason to be hanging out.

Patrick Bet-David
Got it. So you're saying diddy, what did. He's an FBI informant, and he's been one for many years. How would they say nothing ever happens? But it still.

Suge Knight
Like I said, angela, it ain't my business, but I said that because anybody else gave it up quick, fast, in a hurry. But, you know, the most important thing about this is that with me, you got some people who have on something either they weren't a part of or they weren't there. And I never want to be that type of person because, you know, it's only so many people who. Who? Tupac.

I seen Tupac. I talked to Tupac. And I feel that way because I often hear so many Tupac stories from people who never met, even wasn't around then. You had a one that if they worked at McDonald's, but then they took Tupac order down. They mean they know Tupac or you do a security or wherever that.

I mean, you know, man, all these people been benefiting and capitalizing on trying to put the man down or lie on them and tell some stories that they were now they know anything about. Because I don't think none of these people psychic, and I'm not know what happened to the last psychic bitch. Bitch. She. Enough.

Whoever her name was, the fake with the fake roster boys, you know what happened. Harry would all went bad. So I don't like to speculate, so I just tell the truth. How it is. Now, from your perspective, though, you actually spent time with Diddy when you used to go to New York.

Patrick Bet-David
You guys, you would spend time with him, and he would spend time with you. When he would come, you guys would go hang out together with, obviously, other peers. Did you notice anything around Diddy where you said, this is a little bit, you know, obviously there's a woman, you're having a good time, you're partying, you're doing your thing. But did you ever see anything where was out of line where you said, I think this guy likes men, or, I think he likes certain things. That's a little weird?

Suge Knight
Well, all due respect to puppy, you gotta realize one thing. He didn't start off like that. I'm quite sure somebody taught him that, and that's more deep in the industry. Guys who got involved with a lot of people who they mentors, instead of having a guy to mentor your own father, they just had these guys that mentor. And when that happens in the industry, they were done to them, they do to the next person.

So I felt that puppy was a regular, normal guy. And then when he started hanging with the guys in industry, they did things to him. And then allegedly, he did things to usher. It goes all along. Well, we got to stop this point the finger at the person who gets caught with their hand in the cooking jar.

Where did it start from? See, people don't want to test all those angles that just started being major executives who run these labels. So you guys want to speak on the people who. Who got thrown on the bus to sacrifice lamb? Okay, well, that's actually very insightful for you to give that perspective.

Patrick Bet-David
So if you're saying, what did he did to usher or what did he do to Bieber that we've seen these videos, not necessarily what he did, but the stories where he's living with them at 13, if he was their mentor, who was Diddy's mentor. We know some of the big names. I'm just curious if you have any names. You don't seem like somebody. But number one.

Suge Knight
Number one was Clyde Davis. You gotta understand one thing. If there flow. When I started down flow, you gotta be one thing. I had no co climbing, nobody else.

I start that company on my own and grab doctor Dre. At the end of the day, it was like this. When you have the universe is one big company. Doug Morris is the man at the time. Jimmy Iovine's in.

If Doug Morris give toughy a deal worth a whole lot of money in the album, then recoup. Otherwise, they should like drop in, recoup. They're not going to give you no new money if they don't recoup the old money. But project was able to go to the same umbrella and go to the jenny and get this much even bigger check that Doug gave me. Even though I have not recouped.

Only certain people get the didn't get these type of favors. Now, in my situation, I didn't do anything to lose my company. I think do anything illegal to get my company taken away from me. They was able to commit it far from my company, but ends up to the hands of people who want to buy my company for 500 million, 700 million. I kept saying no, and then turn around.

They can get block everybody and end up getting it for what, 20 or 30 million, which is crazy. If you add all that type of stuff up and you see how the industry been built on the secret rooms. The people who don't participate in the secret room is the people who later on get burnt. The people who participate in those rooms, they continue to grow, even when they get caught. They're not really caught, because obviously puppy knew they was coming to the raid.

Security wasn't there. Used to have like four, six muslim guys doing security, they weren't there. A lot of people weren't there. How do people know all these things? It wasn't just courteous, you know, so it's easy to point the finger, but let's look at the whole thing.

Talk about somewhere. You gonna educate everybody to help everybody. We were talking about Clive Davis and some of these music executives that taught maybe somebody like a diddy and others. Is Diddy at a level of being untouchable, where he's protected, or is Diddy a target that they'll eventually put all the blame on him and make sure they get away with it free?

I mean, he definitely gonna be the black motherfucker to hold the bag. Cause you gotta realize one thing. That boy, life is dangerous. His life, doesn't he? That's not dangerous with the shit they said he was doing, but he's in danger.

He no too much. One thing you got to realize is he probably have a conversation right now with the higher ups and everybody else to figure out how it's gonna work itself out, because he know all the secrets. And if he gets run in his mouth, it could be a. It could be a bad look. I look at it like the most important thing is the industry need to be built over.

You have all these executives. There's somebody who's a father, their grandfather, or all these type of stuff, and they don't give people an opportunity to grow and learn. I know when I first started in this business, it wasn't a machine. I had to be the machine. I had to figure out how to get my songs already, because at that time, they were getting 5%, and they got 10% those popping champagne bottles.

I went from 95% of the soldiers. You on the radio was my soul until 97%. So you had to really do all this thing and really do the work. And once the work was known that it could be done, and I was generating the type of money for the people I was involved. This call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded.

They wanted to be hip hop, because the difference was that Michael Jackson was then, say, 75 million, 50 million. Before he said one record, they gave him $75 to $50 million advanced. He might spend $50 million. He might spend $100 million to make his album and $5 million on video. I would spend $50,000 to make an album.

I spend 50,000 on the video. I spent 150,000 to promote it. So. And if I sell 3 million records and Michael Jackson said 3 million records, or if he sell 10 million records, I will make more money that's right off my projects than his projects, because I'm spending less money, right? Because I was the machine.

So once they realized I was the machine, and they can have a machine like that. The majors wanted what I started. They wanted my artists. But when they took my artists, make out control of the industry, everything went from 50,000, $50,000 to make an album to fucking 5 million to make an app, until these guys having all these dancers and all this extra shit, all the surgeries and all the extra shit, right? So in the end, they blew hip hop out the water so much that they want to start cheating for everybody to eat.

So you had an artist, and the only thing they had to do when they was with the machine is show up. Show up for the interview, show up for the photo session, show up for the studio, show up for the video. Now that's being taken away because all these people in using all these arts, and at the end of the day, the artists end up broke. Or now you have different Spotify stuff or apple different ones. Right.

The strings, who is making the count, are policing the strings. So how you know they're not saying, I got five strings and you got one? Right, Harvey? Maybe nobody's have nowhere knowing that. So now the artists can't have that machine to be certified cash anymore for making money.

So they are going crazy. So now everybody tell me about everybody drinking more, everybody doing more pottery, everybody doing a little sick, little move of, you know, guys waking up with their butt sore, no hat type of shit, girls waking up. They have no wet in that. So everybody stressed the fuck out because the machine is over. So now they just need to rebuild and put decent people in the industry.

Having seen that. Go ahead. Yeah, I mean, I. Obviously, with what you're saying, it's very important because you had a business model that is costing them money. You're spending less money, you're making more profit, you're making them look bad.

Patrick Bet-David
And they're supposed to be the executives, the professionals, and you're the amateur. Building up a company on your own without a background. You didn't go to school to learn how to be an executive. And you're building a business doing $750 million. Here's a question for you.

In the financial industry, you'll hear many times they'll say, these companies are part of the too big to fail. For example, we can't let AIG go out of business. We can't let bank of America go out of business. We can't let these guys go out of business. Is biggie part of the too big to fill?

Or are there people way above Diddy that are part of the too big to fail, that they'll always be protected? Specifically, when you say higher ups.

Suge Knight
Well, you gotta look at it like this puppy. It's one of black guys. Is probably more fear of white America. In black America. We feel in black America and pass all that.

They can't get to him, the white American. You got to show them some respect. Are they going to stank him on the gas? Especially now, because when you really look at it, Chirac was a great company that gave puppy opportunity. I think he would give a get in.

And then he was able to make all his money, and then he wanted more and more and more. And the first time didn't allow him to throw attention, even with the stuff that people get in with, probably. So he told him, say, you racist. You motherfuckers racist. They say, yeah, you know, I often say that I was raised in Compton when I was made in Vegas at UNLV.

UNLV taught me the opportunity to be around people. That was digital mind, that was loyal, that was happy, and that's where my lessons came from. So I understand business better than most people. That's why I never been in no damn videos. So at the end of the day on Puffy, when at the alcohol business, I used to play football with John Kennedy junior almost every weekend.

One of the best guys I ever met and hung out with, we used to play football. But that being said, he come from a bootlegger family. Most of the big guys come from the bootlegger family, you know, to alcohol legal. These guys is smart enough to be humble, but why does it have to be aggressive? Tough?

So when puppy challenged him, and they knew puppy lived in the glass house, his house came coming down because those rocks was coming through that glass house. When he called those guys racist, and he didn't know he had those secret, those hidden secrets, they just found out that the greenish puppy was doing. They ain't just found out how the industry is. They haven't just found out how. They, you know, they pick and choose.

They part of the government. And I say that because that's why they were so easy to snatch. Motherfucking puffy down. And all the people that puffy fuck with, they can't say none because they're part of it, too. If they go after Puffy and rumor has a jaguar ride, all these other names of Leroy, little Ro, all these guys, hey, little Rod.

Patrick Bet-David
There's cameras in every single room, and he's recorded, and now he's got all these footage. Think about if he's got footage of all this talent where these big. Too big to fill, companies that are relying on these talent to keep producing. What happens if Diddy threatens them and says, if you do anything to me and I release this to the world, you're going to lose billions of dollars? No, no, no.

Suge Knight
You guys being fooled. The best talent we have in the industry right now is some of the talent you guys never heard. There's a lot of guys all around the world is the world best kept secret when it comes to music. People are starting to use their friends or artists who playing those games. You know, basically they, on a level, because they did everything that these people wanted them to do.

They sold. They sold. And we all joke about it, but they always had a conversation about it. And I always say the same thing. I always say, well, you had Illuminati.

And then they have the Masons. The masons believe in God. Illuminati believe in the devil. Illuminatis in Germany, Russia, whatever. They believe on men.

Oh, man. They don't mean they part of the gay community. They mean they just overpower each other. And it might sound crazy, but at the end of the day, that's why it's no great talent. There's a lot of great talent out there.

But some of the best talent is not having the opportunity to get in the door because the people with the secret society is messing around with each other and messing with people heads. And then when you, like I said, a person like myself, I'm the only guy in this business, or especially a black guy. You see where I started my company from? Either a chick from solar or epic or priority.

These are real companies. A time warner or interscope. Right. That publishing money, different stuff. That's how I started my company.

Then you can have rapid light. Do a whole book. Lord J. Clinton, do a book and be his words. I started my company with drug money.

If it's Merlin, they can say that. If it's cash money, they can say that. So they say if it's. What's the other dude, he popular? Uh, no limit.

No limit. Can let it be known. Every pin he got taken, drug money in the list could go on. Ruthless, puffy, bad bible. Started with the drug money.

Name is missed it. And Obama gets his, his supply and his climbing out as a favor. So look at this. All these people say that's how they started, that's how they built it. But I'm the one they take to the rain.

And I didn't start my company with sharp money. That verbal started what I just said. Even when they came after me, they committed fraud, Greg Russell, fraud, Rico, everything you can think of since it was a machine that would get an artist before even on else. They have to get me out the way. Not only would I get an artist from anyone else, I can take your artists and make them a star, a superstar that you couldn't do.

A lot of guys get artists and bring their career down. I got the art. I got the artist and made their career the best. Same way I did with Tupac. And Tupac stood for smart young men, a gift young man, and wanted to save the world.

Eventually, it cost him his life. Eventually, you have guys who will speak about Tupac who never met him. They said it was with death row. Now, were there, or they might have been security to death row or the car washing death row. They never meant Pac.

And they would say they want negative things to Pac about Tupac. They have to tell Tupac stories. It's all designed to make these people feel they the ones who's working for the industry, who keep having the same old talent. A lot of people doing the same old songs, same old ass artists. It's like warm soup all over again.

These opportunities to these younger generations who really are the best, who got the guy, get talent. That's what we miss it in the industry. And fire all those old heads. Part of secret society. You got executives making more money than any artists or any label right now.

You got Taylor Swift is popular, way popular. But you have a artist executive. Interscope or universal or any of these places, right? Why do they get more security in Taylor Swift? She on tour busting her ass, and they making just as much money as Taylor Swift and got more security than Taylor Swift.

That seems like something wrong with that picture.

Patrick Bet-David
But what point are you trying to make here? When you're talking about the. The Freemason and Illuminati? One is driven by love, the other one is driven by, you know, God, and the other one is driven by the devil. What do you mean when you're saying these guys are selling their souls?

What does that selling your souls mean? Because. Because most of the time, when they go to these meetings, in the major energy that these. At these companies, they joke and talk about these type of things, and regardless, they believe it or not, it's always a joke. It sounds like you're somewhat defending Diddy a little bit and protecting him and putting more the onus on some of the guys at the top.

But if. I just want to ask one question. I want to ask one question. If you were to. I'm just gonna quirk you right there.

Go for it. I'm gonna listen to that question that you said. Go ahead. There's no puzzle, me. Puppies not friends.

Suge Knight
Never will be friends. Okay. And dance. Ain't scared of him. I ain't scared of nobody but God.

It's not about I'm protecting him. I'm gonna tell the truth. I'm not gonna. I know a lot of stuff is true that he been caught doing, but I'm not gonna tell you something. I went in the room.

I was in a room with that motherfucker. You shouldn't be talking to me, because if you was in the room with Diddy, I wouldn't be talking to you. He was in there and he was telling you, take that, take that. Take that, take that. You think me you gonna be compensating?

I'm like, no, no, no.

At the end of the day, you know, I believe in what I believe in twice. Don't say it at all, you know, but whatever you want to ask them, I'm let you finish asking the questions. Because I'm here because I love the fact what you guys are doing, because this is a way that we can communicate. And not only does build hip hop, we can build the world or United States. I can't even go to the next country.

I can only go through in my backyard, and I'm a part of this. And shook. I appreciate that. Shook. For somebody that's the hip hop world today, to be able to do what a lot of these executives did, that taught somebody like Diddy.

Patrick Bet-David
Is that even possible today? Meaning, did social media fully eliminate that business model where the next generation of young talent are now protected?

Suge Knight
No, nobody's protected yet, but that's okay. We gonna talk about put. All right, listen to this. It was a guy named Barry Gordy. And you know Barry Gordy now.

I went in the room with Barry Gordy, but everybody knew that big Gordy gets both sides of the fence. They always say. So Barry Gordy was a guy who had the Jackson five, who eventually caused Michael Jackson because Joe Jackson was a jail witness. And they say, Michael, you come hang with us. You can get toys.

They might got Microsoft morning toys. Then it was course he Jones with Michael. And you know exactly what I'm going with this. Next thing you know, Michael Jackson allegedly, they said he stopped parliament younger boys. So where did Michael Jackson get it from?

And, you know, you wouldn't have a problem to say. You would have a problem to say beardy Barry Gordy was touching on Michael Jackson. You wouldn't have a problem to say that Quincy Jones was touching on Michael Jackson. And you wouldn't have a problem to say that. That Michael Jackson was touching on the little boys.

But what the problem come in at? And we start talking about the Clyde Davidson's and the other people, and it goes down to puppy. That's where the buck stops at shit puppy, the black ass sacrifice lamb. At the end of the day, puppy, the miata to them, shit, they ain't tripping. But if you don't stop the cycle, it's gonna keep happening.

Somebody need to go visit Usher right now. Say, usher, it's not too late for you. We know you hit a few other guys you brought on, but it's not too late for them either. But at some point, you gotta stop the head or don't keep creating going down. The shit goes down.

But you guys don't want to fix that, right? I mean, it's, it's, it's when you're breaking, I mean, you're going all the way back to okay now. Okay, but because it's a facts for this thing, right? It's right now we talking about the industry. When, when, when I was in business, a guy in the projects is saying word and say that he have a brother, somebody have a son that can rap or sleep.

I'm gonna drive my ass to the projects, sit on that mid quake, and get that art inside and make it hit that model. Right. But now what I'm basically saying is they got us so blocked in a lot, they're not giving some of the best time to people. The opportunity to be artists, or they'd rather have an artist is 50 years old, 49, still, putting them on the front line. Give these younger generations opportunities a chance to grow and make some of themselves.

But if they can kill off a death row and replace me with the other guys, that's why they inch that way. Long as we make each other better by competing with each other, competition, the industry will be better. Now that you have all these guys wearing women clothes, this call and or telephone number will be monitored and recorded. But once again, I'm not about gay bashing because I don't, I'm not homophobic, but what we say in the inner rock, my belief is this, if you puffy and we friends, if you mess with boys and girls, that's your business. Let me know, because I might not want you to.

I'm not going to hit the blunt or trick out my glasses. You know me. But if you let me know, I said, shit, I give it to you when I finish, I give you the glass. You know, you can have a last sip. We just have, people just have a problem because they don't want, they want to know what they're dealing with.

It's not fair to use power and money to make somebody do something they don't want to do. Yeah, there's a big difference between, there's a big difference between a person being gay and the young boys, that's the problem, you know, and the young girls like, you know, stuff that was going on with R. Kelly, you know, and what he went through. There's a lawyer that's saying what happened to R. Kelly is about to happen, or did he hear soon?

Patrick Bet-David
And it's just a matter of time before they get him and he goes away with what happens with them. But let me bring you back to what you were talking about. Let me bring you back to what you were talking about. You were talking about how there's a difference. They come after a guy like you instead of going after these guys.

You talking about Barry Gordy or the Clive Davis or the Lucian Grange? I don't know if you even, you know the name. Did you ever do anything with Lucian or. No. Did you ever have any dealing, business dealing with Lucian?

Suge Knight
One of the things that would mean is my concern is that I believe that we'll always be doing the problem now we got to start working out and have a solution. And people always don't talk. But I'm from old school where that's the best. And that's when we talking about something to fix a lot of things, you know, because I think that I respect you guys platform, because they have a lot of platforms nowadays that it'd be people who's not business, never did any business or never been part of the industry. And they get these platforms and they say the worst fucking thing about people, it's no big deal.

Because I look at it like this, somebody speak on me. I can respect that. I can't respect that he wasn't saying the thing before I came to prison because when I was on the street, I'm quite sure people was whispering, but it's nearly been done at me here in Whisper. But it's stuff like I learned so much. Like when I first, when I, when I came to the county jail, I was allowed to handle phone calls.

No indoor mail, no alcohol mail communication with nobody in the world. And if I wanted to hire attorney, you had to get approved by county council, says attorney for the sheriffs, the DA and the judge. If they say I can't have this attorney, that means I can't have this attorney. And all my legal business was recorded. And it came to the point where I lost my mother.

My mother would have always been my best friend, my rock. I was a mama's boy. And my mother used to try to come up there and see me and they were, she was supposed to get 20 minutes visit, a 30 minutes visit they gave her five minute visit. They go crazy on her to the point where they scared her so bad. One time she went from the county jail to the hospital.

She called and said, well, please let me talk to my son because they won't let me leave the hospital. I mean, you know, she couldn't leave. She was hospitalized. They told my mother no. And she said only thing she wanted to do is talk to her son.

My mother died. When my mother died, I wasn't allowed to still use the phone. I wasn't allowed to get a bill and go to my mother's funeral. I wasn't allowed to make no arrangements or saying goodbye to my mother or my family. I wasn't able to talk to no one.

They gave me one little, quick little call to my family. And the craziest thing about all that my family, I come from a big family. My mother had over almost a half a million people in funeral. My mother well respected, good woman. I wasn't there, ladies.

My mother didn't marry. She was a knight since she was 18 years old. This call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded. When I reported, it called a vaccine. Chapter her maiden name.

You know, everything was all done wrong and to the point where even the people, my mother was old school. My mother blunt lots to me and my sisters. So when she said whenever we die, what to worry about having a funeral. So my mother had her own lot when she was buried in all this stuff. Now there's been a lot of people pissed in and tried to send catering people or some money on a funeral.

And you know what? The same people who sent the money on the funeral, golden said, look what I did. Look what I did. He couldn't pay for his mother feeling slammed me. Stupid.

This is this, right? The most stupid thing in the world. And I never say the person name and get obsessed. Damn. Maybe they need a little more.

Somebody recognizes him. Did not do so what, are they gonna lie about it, right? But when you really look at it, everybody got a million things and say it's not the truth. How many people can just really have a conversation? I can have a conversation with you right now.

And wherever you want to ask me, you can ask me and I'm going to answer to you and it's going to be the truth. And I'm not doing it for no fucking fame. I don't get paid for it. It's a platform and it's to help people. Because right now I'm all about getting my freedom back and be the best man, I could be for my family and myself in my.

I'm gonna say my community becomes. My community is the whole west coast and anywhere else there after I can be here for that. But the society I owe a lot, I'm planning on paying my debt to, and not in this one. Whatever you need to ask me, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Well, respect to you and your mother.

Patrick Bet-David
May God bless her soul. I'm looking at her picture right now online when you were talking about it. I'm just pulling up the story with the story. She was 77 years old when she went through it. And this was what, six years ago?

Something like that. It'll be six years and two months, June 18, but shook, you know, going back to you saying, my loyalty. West coast, right. With, you know, what you want to give back to the folks on west coast. A lot of this stuff started off with east coast.

West coast, right? And I'm a kid that grew up in LA. I went to Glendale High School. I'm a. I'm a Glendale high school kid.

Suge Knight
I was. I don't. Okay. There's a difference. I wouldn't say it started off as East Coast.

West coast. Yeah, we was competitive against each other and everywhere else, but rhyming started on the east coast. They was riding like a motherfucker. You know, they was. You know, get the shirt, ring, your hat red, whatever, you know, they were rhyming and it was good at it.

We became. The story tells of stuff. And then by time I got in the business on the west coast business, well, I got it before, but by the time I made my mark, it was about doing something in the west coast. Because you had the people who represent New York, you had to be down south, you know. Later on, the midwest came, but at the same time, we had no power player rather than the west coast.

So my goal was to do a label on the west coast and bring the west coast together because we were divided. We had red, you had blue, and, you know, you had. Do you have the messages represent Brown. You know, do you have to bathe? So my theme was, if we make it the west coast, well, it's fun for everyone.

If everybody having fun, everybody enjoying, everybody getting real game. We give you some stuff that you can hear on these records or these CDs or cassette center in your car. It could teach you something. So that meant something to me because I was born and raised out here. So therefore I built the west coast sound.

I say, that's Defro. And then we was already there. And it was because the fact that my background is sports. I've been playing rotary baseball, football, basketball, play basketball, loose part. Played baseball.

Kelly park, which is the crip neighborhood, I still went to practice, still went to the games. And, you know, I went to high school and college and all that stuff, right? But at the same time, when I first got ready to do the crank, I treated like everybody on downfall was treated like it was a football team. People ate together, they partied together, they argued together, they fought against each other, they fought together. But we built something with the west coast sound.

And that west coast sound made it like, almost like a peach tree for the west coast. You got people from different neighborhoods who actually, instead of hating each other and having each other back during great business with each other, I got them going to children's hospitals, giving out toys and playing with the patients in there. I got them going to different elementary schools and junior high schools and high schools, giving away, you know, toys for Christmas and all this type of stuff. I had. The same time, I probably gave away more turkeys than pretty much a lot of people.

And on top of that, every mother's day, I should give a single Mother's Day dinner for all the single mothers for free at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel in Beverly Hill. And they would get their baskets, they would get their roses, they would be, you know, they stuff. I have a older guy who performed like the IsiS brothers. And I have a tupac say, dear mama, I had a joke. This call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded.

Camera performed. I did all these things because I wanted to make it a better place where I was living at. And I'm born and raised and live on the west coast. So I know if we can pull everybody together for music to get along, we can make a big difference. But sometimes when you're doing too much right, people stop the people from getting in trouble.

That means the police gonna make less money because now they can't get their overtime. So I didn't get it. Water for the good things I did. I got punched for the good things I did. How much of the.

Patrick Bet-David
How much of the things that you did from your standpoint, how much do you look back? Because I just had dame dash on two weeks ago and I had Damon, and we were talking about Rocket where Rockefeller, you know, what they did, the business he built with Jay Z. And then you're on the west coast, and then you got Diddy and he's doing what he's doing with biggie. You know, what was the cause of the fall of death row records. You operating death row records?

You had a lot of players that ended up being big. What was the falling out? Okay. The difference is this. Death Row Records was a real company.

Suge Knight
Mostly veteran labels. Had no routines. They didn't own it. When I start telling people I own my masters, they tell me I ain't asleep. I don't have no masters.

They didn't know nothing. They didn't understand the music you make. It's called masters in our own mind. So if they took down deaths of. They took down a Rockefeller connected to death Gannett, they took down death down.

They're not taking down a black man like Russell Simmons, who also raped all the little dudes. They take it down a person. Russell Simmons always had a partner, and his partner always. It's not about being racist, but Russell want to play the race car when it was convenient. Russell Simmons first partner was with Ruben, was a white guy.

Then it was New York, you know, so definitely was the only legal. You said leor, like Leor Cohen. You talking about Leor Cohen? Yeah. Got it.

Patrick Bet-David
Got. Yeah, yeah. But I was the only powerhouse who didn't start my business or my company or drug money. And on top of that, I'm not saying that's wrong or right. Just the facts that even people you name, I bet you name all these guys, they've been caught dealing drugs.

Suge Knight
When they did. They can't. If they attack them, they really attacking universal or Sony, our Time Warner. Right. If you attack Jeff Rowe, you just killed for death row.

Because like I said before, I didn't have a relationship with anybody doing me with my company. But at the same time, we know who dms these people. Because Michael Harris was the kind of man who everybody feels for a fact 137 for the government. Right. But they allow him to lie and commit fraud and say he has something to do with death row.

But I'm not the one he was talking with. He up there when dragging a star, he hangs with them, not me. Well, D. Griffey sued me and said, give him $10 million because I signed some of him to be a part of. Jeff Rowe before Jeff Rowe.

It wasn't me. Guess who signed that paperwork. Andre in doc. Guess how much money he had to pay. Zero.

Because they protected. Because they belong to inner stuff. It's like they didn't find. Well, that's in the day. At the end of day, it's like this.

The guys who started their business with drugs, they don't really own their business, so they don't sweat them or they work for the government. And I don't. I don't work for the government, and I'm not a drug dealer. It's not that I'm so smart that they couldn't catch me. I'm just too smart to be stupid.

Yeah, I'm making great money with a money machine. Why do I want to do something legal? Yeah. I even read somewhere where you said. It, if you slow, you get taken advantage of.

Patrick Bet-David
Yeah. And you don't. You don't work hard to get out the ghetto and be legal. Once you get out the ghetto, become legal. You're going to do what?

Suge Knight
Steel cars, still radio? Sell drugs? I'm stupid for what? It makes no sense. Yeah.

At the end of the day, it all comes down to the same thing. But now, here's the thing, though. If we bring it down to you, we bring it down to you, suge, with the chaos that happened within death row, right? Think about what happened with easy e. And I saw, when you were on Jimmy Kimmel, when you said that we did the easy thing, you know, when you put your feet up, we saw that.

Patrick Bet-David
I'm like, okay, so.

Suge Knight
But, you know, I'm gonna tell you a real story. I'm gonna tell you a real story. Listen, this. I never told nobody straight on there. This story.

You gotta remember one thing. In prison, I'm gonna sell by myself. Besides this AI thing I got. And we talked to each other, so I'm probably, you know, they used to talking that much, so I'm going a little, too. Okay, so let me throw it down and take this last story.

Okay, so this thing is, this. Out of guys in the NWA, Eric was my favorite, because Eric was the only guy from Compton that really was the Compton. So as we start trying to get this, I wanted to make death row and Lucas together. And Eric was down for. But then he didn't want to leave Jerry.

So when it came to getting Eric to sign the lease, I had respect for him, so I ended up doing. I had dre on a piece of paper on the contract, miss lay on the contract, back on the contract by shelf. And I had another piece of paper with above law cocaine, consistent producer, bocan loan. You know, all artists, right? And they all wanted me to come with me.

So I said, look, I'm gonna give Ag and we're gonna work it out. Either you can't be together. I'm gonna take the ones I'm gonna take. And he dreaded. And at the same time, would he have Andre wanted easy be right.

And normally, I wouldn't speak like this, but he's not really civilian. He's not part of gaming Cev. So it came down to fuck. I thought he was joking. I said, no.

I said, look, man, I'm gonna be biz one way, you know? I know he. I said, but I had him come to the studio, which was Galaxy studio and the Sohrab gun. And I told the guard, look, when Eric get here, just call and let me know. So I said, I'm gonna call him up.

And Drake said, no, just be quiet. I'm gonna call him meeting. Don't let him know you there. He called, he's talking to him, saying, man, I want you to be on my album, and we can maybe put it out on roofing. He's like, for real?

He said, yeah, ain't no way at the studio right now. I got a phone, I want you iPhone I'm at. He said, he was like, you know, solar studio at. He said, yeah. He said he had to this call and your telephone number will be monitored and recorded.

When the guard. When the guard get there, they know, becoming Senegal that you got. So, bam, I'm at the studio, Dre's manage. So when Aaron finally get there, the guard calls up. He says, easy up here for Drake.

You know those updates. And they test Drake. So he walks in, waltz in the studio, see me, see a few people. We start talking. I said, man, he ain't coming, but I'm gonna talk to you about.

I showed him the papers of all the audience I had on one piece and the three I had on another piece. I was like, Drake can get out because you messed up with the contract. Doc can get out. Say that he can get out. I was training to him.

I said, doc don't have no motherfucking voice. You can't sell Donald Duck. So he's like, yeah, you're right. Ron saying, and Andre, they're together. So he decided that he wanted to think about it.

I said, I ain't coming at you. Although, other type of shit. I said, but, boy, he wants something happened to your bag, right? Hey, nah, Andre never to get to me. I don't want to take care of him.

Bought him this and bought him that and put him on, basically. So hold up. So I'll say nothing. I called. So when I dressed the phone, I'm talking to him.

I said, hey, come up here now. What you want done again? He was like, man, shoot that muffin head. Blow his head off. Shoot him an eye take pictures of it.

You don't got one of those things, you know, blah, blah, blah. You know, get one of those portable cameras and let me see it. I want to see it, you know, blah, blah, blah. When I hung up that phone, I seen one of the saddest things I ever seen in a man. I'm looking at easy, Eric.

Like he said, I bought a car. I think all this phone one for me. And it's like he trying to hold back the game. Tears because he don't want to be embarrassed by. You seen him crying because.

He cried because he's scared. Are you crying because he hurt before another man? Crying in front of another man? Never, you know, irreversible hair scribble on those faces. But, uh, Aristotle, you know.

But back to the story. He looking. He looking so sad. And one tear start coming down a little bit. Then ct started coming down.

I said, check this out. I would never do nothing to you. You don't like trip. I see that he is for all of this. One for the ones I told you I'll get in.

Me and you always get straight. We hung out together. We did all kind of shit together, you know? He said, nah, man.

Come get Drake. No, don't do nothing to him. He said, why? I say it's something called a chronic. It's almost done.

Get ready to come out. So he signed it. I wanted to make sure he was him. I got his id, make sure it's right, you know, releaser Robinson Dick ripping. They didn't believe so.

So alone. So in this story, you're saying Dre backstabbed Eric? Yeah. So how about the hybrid? Somewhere in the story where Dre owned 50% of death row records and he didn't get any royalty, and it was supposed to be 60 million.

Patrick Bet-David
When they asked him how did he feel about it? Was he upset? He said, you can't put a price tag on a peaceful state of mind. What happened there with you, Andre? Well, first of all, this is real.

Suge Knight
True story. And Drake got way more money than he was. Number one, he didn't put no money up to start the company. I'm also Dre manager for the rest of Jerry's life. So let's start with that.

First, because I got Dre a publishing deal. First of all, I had to go through a whole lot to get him out that contract. And Dre would still be on contract with Rufus if he wanted to leave. He couldn't be doing all this with nobody on the client. Dre did maybe three full songs on there doggy style zero Dre didn't do California at all, a thousand percent.

He didn't write it and he would reduce it and he would go to Roger on there to do it. But Jerry's incredible. Got a hip mix and fix the shit. He's a great dj. He got a good ear to get a shot.

Make that shuffle like you think it's nothing but a software. We just have people come be praying. But it's not like he thought of it became something new and Drake right lyrics. Now do you really think doctor Dre if you want to call me Andre Young, the bitch beater, don't come up to mister night and tell me what to do. True story Drake came to me because I'm not gonna go into the situation with David's own about his sex workers.

I said, well, something like that. It's like old Hollywood, you gotta get married quickly. He wanted to marry this person. That person didn't want to. I can get this new person.

He married there one day. Drake Kennedy said, I'm never gonna cuss allowance again. I'm never gonna talk about women again. And he told me that he wanted to be white. This is a serious question.

And I thought he was joking, so I started laughing, right? I said, be white. I said, man, and I still think he joking. I said, I ain't got I can't make you white. Only I can do is teach you how to live like you white.

He said, well, I'm ready. So that's why he ended up marrying a white girl, right? That's why he ended up having, you know, the rich kids, they fight. Before, it wasn't being funny. Nothing was just a fact.

If you represent somebody, you gonna do anything you can to make them dream come true. And that's like if you get a star on a walk of fame, none of these black kids gonna come, only the ones who he considered white kids. That's just fair. But that's not wrong. That's why he thinks Drake got $2 million on we got him off.

Jeff Rowe, the real reason why we got him off death row is called Tupac. Tupac was mad because when he found out that Dre didn't do California. Now, Tupac was mad because we needed Dre to get on a stand at Snoop's murder trial. You can ask David Kenneth before he can be a character reckless for him. I couldn't do it, so they needed Dre.

Dre said, buddy, you better cancel. That ain't never going to the health service. Get life he get life. So Pac got mad. So we need to kick him off.

That's how that happened. Everybody knows that. Ask the lawyer.

That's simple. The first album trade being the first one. He said, we're going to curse was called aftermath. And it blocks. But it's not neither here.

There's. It's not about talking bad about Drake or anybody else to put these people down, because you know what? We all did great things for each other. Every person who participated on death row did great things. Pac just took it to another level.

Once I got Pac out, PoC had more. If you like, Snoop would talk to the people. Also gang membership or some whatever type of stuff. Partner. Talking to people about, you know, getting back to the community, getting a breakfast in the morning, getting some people with their books, you know, who's talking about, like, starting a big brother program and the big sister program back.

And this before there was people was being recognized for bullied, getting bullied. We was talking about having people getting bullied who scared to go to school. So that's what the movie was. So all is negative. Anybody, it's just anybody can talk bad.

And I always say that you say some bad news about somebody, it'll make it around the world ten times. If you say something good about somebody, it barely make it down the road. True. It's real true. Like I said, this is your show.

I enjoy talking to you. So whatever you want to ask me, actually, I'm here for you, sugar. I'll make this the last, last topic here before we wrap up and finish up. So I'm a class of 96 kid. I'm in LA.

Patrick Bet-David
I'm a Tupac guy. That was my guy. I came to the States in 1990, so I was all West coast hip hop. That was my world. Later on, I end up interviewing Greg Kating.

Greg Kating, I don't know if you remember him. He's the LAPD detective when he was including the murder for Tupac. In his book, he writes about Keith Davis, member to Crip street gang, gave a confession years along, saying he rode in the car used in LA shooting for Tupac, et cetera, et cetera. Where I'm going with this is. Kating also said he named Sean Combs as having been involved in the conspiracy.

Also wrote that a bounty was offered for Suge Knight's murder. Murder, this is you. And then later on, Kating alleged that Knight hired Wardell Pucci Faust to kill Biggie. Sean Combs most valuable star, whose murder was done following a party at a Peterson automotive, you know, that big party guys were all there. And then Pucci later survived a murder attempt.

But the point here is with the biggie story, I followed the Tupac story closely. Do you for a fact know who killed Biggie?

Suge Knight
Well, one, you know, I could know killed Big. I just don't know. But the thing about this, it is, was a real sad day, not just for Biggie, but for his family. Both was a culture of hip hop, I think that destroyed hip hop with those two mothers. And unfortunately I was incarcerated.

I was in the county jail. And I don't know who was having a party, where they was having a party or who party was, and. But like I said, I don't like to speculate, so I'm not gonna ask guests that I just don't know. And at the same time as a rival. But shit, all I can say is a sad situation.

And there's been a lot of different people they say was involved in that. But how would they know where Biggie at to do something to him? I don't think no one person can say, oh, I'm gonna do this and get away with it. That sounds a little crazy. But who knows?

But I know one good thing about it. One day the truth will come out. And the great thing about it, neither one of the murders had anything to do with me. One of the murders, I got a bullet in my soul and I lost millions and millions of dollars and eventually my freedom of my company by then saying, I don't want to have Tupac killed. Then it came to the biggest story.

When it came to the biggest situation. Now I was in the county jail, but after that happened, it rushed from the county jail. But maybe, maybe. Let me ask another question. What do you think about the speculation, the fact that Diddy had some ties to what happened to biggie?

Patrick Bet-David
Do you have any, anything to speculate there or not at all? Well, the thing about that, I also heard that. I also heard everybody say, and I think it was a guy I didn't even personally say, but all over the Internet, his bodyguard said that he has something to do with. And I never, like I said, me and puppy is nowhere near friends. Respect for him not a long time ago, but at the same time, it's a bad man.

Suge Knight
I don't feel. I don't give a fuck that. Me, him, you. Anytime you think you can play the guy and take somebody's life, that's a fucked up thing. I might be a lot of shit.

One, they smart being stupid. So I'm not stupid. Two, I don't got that type of match. You want to see another man lose his life and see this? You know, when you go to fennels and you see what the margins will sleep through.

I don't want to see no one go through that. So it'd be crazy if somebody knew. It's just something. And I can't say puffy did it because he didn't do it. I can't say for the cops did this because didn't do it.

But what I could say, a thousand percent, I had to do nothing shit. And I'm not saying to clear my name and all that shit, because my name is already what it is. And the best person I want, understand me, is God. People love me because I love them. But at the same time, when you look at it and it's just a situation where I think it must hip hop up.

Makes the coach with the people. When I lost Tupac, it was a long time before I really listened to a lot of pop music. Because I thought about it and thinking about him all the time. I still do today. And sometimes when I hear somebody say negative things about pop, I get more mad when they say.

Before they say niggas games about me. Because, I mean, you got something to say about me, and I'm gonna bless you. Yeah, man. Tell your life. Tell your story.

We still would never be the same route tupac and be. And I'm in it here because I knew Pac. Big webbed each other when I was in the hotel and parking hotel. He talking to Biggie before Park passed away. He wasn't mad at Biggie.

Like, I hate this motherfucker. He was more hurt because he felt that Biggie had something to do with the shit in the studio in New York. And they was talking, I could kill it with two men. They cared about each other. You know what I mean?

I'm thinking about making history again. I'm like, man, y'all see it seem like y'all love each other with me hating love relationship. I said, best way to end all this is do a four CD dissed on death row. So Biggie doing CD, park doing CD. And the other teams broke them going back and forth.

They kept in pockets, you know, let them say what they say. But that would have been the most incredible thing in the world. Only person, nobody gained money.

And did you eat? Only some jealous, methyl weird motherfuckers. Everybody else take that loss today. Yeah, that wasn't passed away. Puppy would have never been a rapper.

So he gained out the situation. I'm not saying he had something to do with it. He came out the situation. I lost. I lost my freedom.

Behind Tupac dying. I lost business, I lost heist, a whole lot of shit. I lost my freedom. 95% of reason why I got into the penitentiary is riding too foxy. Even on this case.

They brought it up in this case, and I really appreciate your time. And I will say this, no matter what, nobody would be more happier to see all this truth come to me and the truth come out, and we just move on. And we can all hear it's in a wrong time for Pac, wrong time for Biggie, and somebody knows something. Sug, back in 15, not 15 years ago, it's gotta be a while back, a couple times, I met you. One time, it was through a friend named Jay King, and the other time was on a flight from Burbank to Vegas.

Patrick Bet-David
You were sitting right next to me, and I was. But that was. We're talking years and years ago, and. Your telephone number will be monitored and recorded. I just want to say thanks for making the time to jump on here and have this conversation.

Appreciate you, and hopefully we'll do it again sometime in the future. Well, I would say this. I appreciate you, you enjoy your show, and I'm doing my own little correct call. Click, call. You know, and I probably got my Twitter back.

Suge Knight
I know you get friends with everybody, so you let Elon Musk know that these guys are jacked by Twitter, my official Twitter, and was putting all kind of negative stuff about all these people and then tried to distort me to get it back and then keep steady trying to harass me about it. So, as most people say, as my mother would say, praise the Lord. I got my Twitter back. Thank you. Anytime, brother.

Patrick Bet-David
Thanks, suge, our buddy. Take care. Bye bye. Bye bye. Bye bye.

Tulsi Gabbard
I can no longer remain in today's democratic party. Tulsi Gabbard says she is no longer. A Democrat, a potential Tulsi Gabbard VP, where we are being told that we just have to comply and go along with whatever they say. American people are scared than this. However, we must remain vigilant to recognize their propaganda for what it is.

Pure lie. Unfortunately, we live in a time where free speech is under attack. Whatever they say goes, and we have to just fall. And the people who suffered under your reign as prosecutor, you owe them an apology.

Taking on Kamala Harris on a debate stage before, I would look forward to doing that again. Our.

Suge Knight OPENS UP About Diddy, Dre, Tupac, Biggie & Eazy-E | PBD Podcast | Ep. 400

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