Rep. Victoria Spartz: Ukraine $95.3 Billion Aid Package, Zelenskyy & Putin | PBD Podcast

Victoria Spartz
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Patrick Bet-David
Okay, so we have a very interesting guest for you here today. Let me explain to you why she's very interesting. She's the first Ukrainian born, I wanna say, right? First ukrainian born female member of Congress and the first member born in a former soviet republic. Okay, congresswoman.

Feisty. She fights everybody. By the way, if I were to ask you right now, what's the toughest fight you ever had in your life? And I'm asking you, the viewer, the listener, what's the toughest fight you ever had in your life? And how bold were you when you went up against opponent?

Well, she faced off against the director of FBI, Ray, and to his face she said, sir, what you're doing? I compare your agency to the KGB. She said this on camera with him sitting right across from her. Then she faced off AG Merrick Garland where she said, what you're doing right now, it's like the KGB. Then she sat down with Robert, her again cross from him, what was going on with Biden and Trump.

And she said double standard. Standing up, not backing down from anybody. And last but not least, she sat down with not sat across from mallorcas on the border and ask them a question. I'll let you watch this video to just kind of get an idea what kind of a guest we have here today, and then you'll see why this one's going to be interesting. Rob, if you can just play this clip for the audience to get a flavor of today's guest, go forward.

Victoria Spartz
I'm not wasting my time. I'm sorry, I don't want to use that word. What you can do with all this letters because we keep giving money and sending letter and you tell us b's back. So how would you rate yourself, your preparedness to this? It is the honor of my lifetime.

To work with the minute from scale zero to ten. How would you say how prepared you came to this hearing? I will repeat what I said. You're not answering any questions. You are not answering any republican question.

Is it something that your intent to not respond to any questions of republicans? You came with that intent. That is incorrect, congressman. Well, you're not answering any questions. It is.

I mean, every time I hear you say, we will, we will. We shall. Yeah. I don't know. You don't know any numbers.

You don't even know how many people you actually, you know you were prosecuted, how many people you deported, you, nothing. How can you say, you know how your department is run as executive. You don't know these numbers. Congresswoman, let me share with you. Well, you haven't shared anything useful here.

Let me share. So. And with that being said, probably one of the most important facts that we talk about today. She's born October 6, 1978. She is twelve days older than me because I'm born October 18, 1978.

Patrick Bet-David
Congresswoman victoria sparta. It's great to have you on the podcast. Thank you for having me. Yes, of course not. Well, here's what's interesting about you.

So born in old Russia, Soviet Union, now Ukraine, you come down here, you've said good things about Zelensky. You've said bad things about Zelenskyy. You've stayed consistent with things you've said about Putin. You are not a fan of Putin, but you also weren't supportive of the last funding that we gave. Maybe tell the audience if they don't know a little bit about your story, and then we'll get into some of the issues today.

Victoria Spartz
Thank you. I was born in USSR. USSR. So old school communism. Yes.

Yes. That's where I was born. And that country doesn't exist for a reason and for a bad reason, and that's why it breaks my heart, and that's why it made me crazy enough to become a politician. You have to be crazy to be a politician, but you have to be crazy not to care what's happening in the country. But I'll tell you, I actually didn't say much good stuff about Zelensky, but I separated governments from people.

I believe, you know, ukrainian people are fighting a very brutal battle, and I feel bad for them. Ukrainian people paying a very high price. And that's what it takes when you lose freedoms. For over 30 years, they try to get them freedoms back, and they go through bloodshed. And we do not appreciate all of the people that died for our freedoms.

And if you think about what's happening, we have bad government, too. We pay with money and they pay with blood. And we need to be really, really vigilant what's happening in our country. A lot of republics failed, and it's hard to recover. So I understand what a difficult situation is.

I understand what Putin and China and Iran are doing, and it's very dangerous for our national security of our country. But I also understand that blank checks and slash funds and no other side is not serving well american interests. We've seen what's happened after 2 trillion spent in Afghanistan dealing with corrupt governments. What happened? I mean, it was embarrassing.

There was drawing. We're wasting a lot of money. And honestly, Taliban are waving the flag now and we left a bunch of weapons to terrorist groups. This is really disgrace. And we have to do much better in foreign policy, but also not abandon our country.

Patrick Bet-David
May I call you Victoria? Yes. Okay. So I want to go through a lot of issues with you. I want to talk about election.

A lot of people don't trust what's going on right now with the election in 2024. They think a black swan event is about to happen within a time span of five, six months. We come up with one movie by Obama's called leave the World behind. We come up with another movie called a civil war. Reuters, left leaning.

I don't know if you've seen the movie yet or not. If you haven't, it's a very interesting movie about the fact that the hero is essentially, essentially is the person that kills the president at the end. I don't know if I think you ought to watch the movie for the space you're in, but there's a lot of things going on. Just recently, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, and Clinton did a podcast with Jason Baitam together. So they're out there marketing.

A lot of people are thinking our political party right now is a uni party. It's not really a republican or a democratic party. I know you've had some harsh words about McCarthy. You did not support him. And then also now we have Johnson.

And so we'll talk about that. There's a few other things, a couple protesting we saw with these apparently nazis in Charleston, Virginia, that I'll show you the video. I don't know how much you're following this story. I want to get your thoughts because it's a little bit weird with what's going on there. Then at the same time, Zelensky, Blinken, I want to talk Putin.

I want to talk Soros. I want to talk Garland. I want to talk FTC, because I think you did some stuff with FTC as well on the non compete. There's a lot of different things I want to go through here today. And I got a few videos to show you.

But why do you care so much as a person that's born in the USSR? I'm born in Iran. Twelve days after you were born while you were being born up there. I was being born in Iran. Why do you care so much about what's going on with America right now?

Victoria Spartz
Well, listen, we are the greatest republic that ever existed in the history of the world. But we need to understand if we don't keep our republic strong, you know, we can go down like other republics. You know, you saw what's happened with roman republic and greek republic. And right now we can our republic so significantly, you know, internally, domestically, we are moving into socialist and marxist ideology. How many countries were disturbed?

Soviet Union wasn't a weak country with no resources. You know, Soviet Union fell apart because of tyrannical government and socialism. And socialism falls apart when you run out of money and then it turns into mob rule and mob rule turns into dictatorship. Our founding fathers knew that and that's why they created a lot of czech and ballasts which were distorted, especially in the last century. So I see the same trends right now.

What's happened back in Soviet Union and what government is doing to the people, that is very dangerous and we have to take it seriously because, you know, we're the greatest country only because we have the most freedoms. There is no difference between the people and the only things that unite us. We all have different heritages, we all have different religions and that, you know, we all. It's a very vibrant country. The things that, you know, as a country is this founding principle and constitution.

And if we don't teach these founding principles, we're going to fall apart and our enemies from outside can actually destabilize it. It's very dangerous, especially with data collections that happening. So I think we live in dangerous time and we're in this election. It's going to decide the future of this republic. I truly believe so.

And we as Americans start to be vigilant. That's why I'm very upset to see how aggressive and burning brilliant the other side is. Never underestimate the other side. They've been brilliant with the agenda. Unfortunately, Obama did a lot of things that were very clever, very smart, and he went very smart on attack and offense.

And my party is being hypocritical, weak and corrupt, and only a few of us are willing to fight. But unfortunately there is no other people can do it. So we have to win. So you said Obama did some stuff that was very clever and you have to give the other side credit for what they're doing. What are they doing?

Patrick Bet-David
The other side? That's clever. That's very smart. They were able to centralize the power and through money. So what they were doing very cleverly, including with Obamacare and other things where they will give money to state and local government, even republican states like Indiana.

Victoria Spartz
And by some of these politicians are stupid, some of them corrupt and buy the power. So they will give you a grant and bunch of strings, they will give states money and bunch of strange where you can start reporting to the federal government. And a lot of these politicians don't pay attention what commitments come. Oh, I got little money from federal government. I can run for reelection and do something and people don't understand what it is.

Some of them just don't even realize. But some are corrupt and they were able to advance the agenda even in conservative states like Indiana. When I was state senate, I was kind of joking. I spent more time killing bills to passing. I passed some of the bills, but I was shocked how many incrementally they were able to put their agenda into the book.

Be clever, moving CRT, you know, what they doing during COVID how they shut down the government, how they tried to violate election laws. And they're using every crisis whether to do gun control. I mean every crisis. They used to advance agenda and they're ready and very well organized. And what they've done, very smart.

They put money in all of these ngo's and then the government money, they use it for community organizing. That means to promote in the agenda. So they do it with our taxpayers money. I mean, that was brilliant. And unfortunately, we have too many weak and corrupt politicians in both parties that not willing to hold the ground.

Patrick Bet-David
So community organizing using taxpayers money, which is brilliant. Okay, so for Obama to be able to do this, how old was Obama when he became president? He was in his early forties, right? When he became president. How can he.

Do you think it was his vision or do you think it was something he borrowed from somebody or somebody sold it to him or taught him? One is not just born one day and realizing how to do all this stuff. On getting America to be where it's at today, how do you think he learned how to do it? No, he came from the circles with very marxist ideologies, you know, when he went to college and people around him and you can see how he's surrounding himself with people with very government controlled ideologies. They understand Obamacare, what is going to be, they're going to blow up the system and complete government, take over health care.

Victoria Spartz
They understand all of these things like that. If you remember what Hayek said, communists, it's about centralization of power and having centralized planning. Well, now we almost centralize so much power that everyone is going to DC. We don't go to the bank even to get loans. Everyone wants to get money from DC.

And DC decides who are going to be losers and winners and they decide which company is good enough to get credit or which ones are not within the agenda. And if you're a gun manufacturer or maybe some oil company, you might not be able to get access to finances. Most companies don't run on cash. You have to leverage your business. So they now understand that when you centralize the money in means of production by Karl Marx, which in a sense, when you centralize the money maybe in the form, but in essence through the federal level, you will control the means of production.

That is actually how you get to communists. And the same people that were under Obama, they right now running. I'm sorry that President Biden, I don't think he's running anything. I don't think he barely can stay awake for more than an hour, you know, so I think they're the same people. He kept the same people and they're very radical, but they are very determined to change the structure of our country.

And the structure is to have elites on top and everyone else equally poor. That's what socialism is. Okay, so we can go a little bit more into that in regards to what they're doing. But so who's fighting that? Because some people, you know, will say, well, there is no republican and democratic today.

Patrick Bet-David
Look at even Speaker Johnson. Right. Well, let's approve this. No, I'm going to go in and my border is going to be the top priority. Border, border, border, border.

That one video that went viral that everything he said was about the border, then it gets passed, 61 billion I believe goes to Ukraine. 25, 26 billion gets split between Israel getting 16.15.9. And I think Gaza humanitarian aid, they get 9.1 billion. And in Taiwan got like $8 billion. Right.

Nothing towards the border. Now he's a Republican and he's the guy that replaced McCarthy. Right. So if, if now Republicans say they're not happy with him, Akim Jeffries could be the next guy coming in. If something happens to these two guys and you guys decide to get rid of Speaker Johnson, show yourself.

There's not a lot of people like you in house. Most of them are establishment Republicans. Most Democrats are establishment Democrats. So who the hell is fighting to protect this republic? Who's doing that?

Victoria Spartz
Well, I think unfortunately, Republic will not be saved in Washington. But I think people like you and other people who are willing to tell the truth and american people will start waking up. That's how this republic will be saved. Because unfortunately, you know, my party became very hypocritical and doesn't know how to go in the fence. When I said to Speaker McCarthy and then speaker Jones and let's pick, I used to say, let's pick three, health to die on and we'll take them.

Then I said, oh, no, that's too high of expectation. Let's do one. I said, let's just pick one. And we're going to move. We need to deliver it for the people.

Let's just do the border. That is 80% issue. American people with us, this is national security issue number one. We're in trouble. What's happening?

Let's do it. And we move and we're going to, you know, sometimes you have to make some tough moves, you know, and on the other side, let's just do it. But unfortunately, republicans have been talking heads on tv, fighting China and doing this messaging bill. They are not used to be on a fence. And we do not have too many tough people that willing to die on that hill.

And until we start putting pressure and elected the people, they do it for the right reason. Not because someone told me recently, we have bartenders and billionaires and you see how the people want to become rich or unemployed unless still with such people like that. But media doesn't want people like that. Big machine of money doesn't want people like that. They want puppets.

So the only way we will be able to do it, if we organize on the ground and good Americans, we'll see what's happening instead have an ability to have a choice. But it's getting harder and harder because media is so corrupt and all information they have, they want to have corrupt and weak politicians. It's convenient for them. We create a lot of billionaires on the money of our grandchildren. You're on the inside.

Patrick Bet-David
Do you see it as pro establishment, anti establishment or do you see it as republican Democrats? What do you see it as? I think it's establishment and few people on, for different reasons on both sides, you know, really getting pissed off, you know, and I think left and right, sometimes even on FISA board, we actually come together sometimes. I said we're on the edge so much so sometimes we connect with each other. And that was actually a fight where establishment and left and right of both parties came together and fought against.

What do you guys agree with? What do you guys actually agree with? Establishment and anti establishment? Well, there is a very difficult to agree is because we have, you know, I truly believe that establishment of the party is really forgot where the people, you know, what the problems with the people, how to serve the people. There is no lobby for the people and they forgot that we are the only lobby for the people.

Victoria Spartz
They listen to their staffers, the young kids or 25 year olds or DC swamp creatures who make a lot of money, all of the lobbies, they don't even listen and don't want to sit down. And there are some good people there, but they kind of give up. I honestly say some people just praying, and I said it takes more than just praying. You know, the good. Look, Mike Joison is a good human being.

I truly is. He's a very genuine, he's good hearted person with good ideas, but he doesn't know how to fight, you know? So Speaker Johnson. Yeah, Speaker Johnson, you know, he's just, he's a good human. You know, like, if Kevin was very transactional, he bought power and money.

Actually, that sometimes is useful. If you threaten to vacate him, you could get a lot of stuff done. That's how conservatives like me were able to accomplish a lot under him and move some stuff because he wanted power so badly. McCarthy? McCarthy.

Yes. He wanted, like, if you tell him that, he would be like, right away will. Because he, he was afraid to lose his speakership so much. So we were able to put so much pressure. Does Johnson have that fear of losing his job or not really?

No, he doesn't. And I think he's kind of, you know, he's very, like, very vanilla, you know? And, yeah, I mean, I'm just saying he's very, like, he's a religious guy with good views, good heart. And I think that's in some ways it's his weakness because he's dealing with very rough side. You know, the other side is very tough and rough and he's getting rolled by them just because you have to sometimes to be rough on ages, you know, because you have such, you know, when you have a swamp machine with big money and power coming after you and you're just going to be nice and kind, they're just going to step on you and crush you.

And that's what happened to him. Who are the fighters, who are the anti establishment fighters that have a backbone to go up against the establishment folks? Well, I think, you know, there are a few people, you know, we have some, you know, members of Freedom Caucus. We have some members that do not belong to a caucus. Like Thomas Messi or Matt Gates or me, a few other people.

It depends on the issues. The challenge is that, you know, unfortunately, even people on my side, we also need to pick some righteous fights and actually win them, you know, so there are some people that want to win the rest and people want to message and we need to get better organized. I said messaging is waste of time. I don't want to message anything. We need to get stuff done.

And I don't think a lot of people, conservatives and people on my side being as good and actually delivering and do whatever it takes, you have to sometimes do whatever it takes. And I think if your position knows that you'll be able to win because they know series and we've been a lot of times more concerned how many clicks people get or how much attention you can get versus like go and do some tough special operations. It would take, you know, like in the military, it would take like if you have a large military with a lot of weapons and you don't, you have to do special forces, do special operations to get them a little bit, you know, off balance, you know, so they cannot figure out. That's what you need to do. But you need to have a strategy even if you do special operations.

Patrick Bet-David
But what leverage do you have? What leverage do you currently have for you to get stuff done? It's very difficult, but we were able to do a lot of things. That's why we put rules committee. That was the leverage.

Victoria Spartz
We have tight majority give us a lot of leverage. That's why we actually were able to accomplish a lot with McCarthy because we changed the rules. We were able to put three people in the rules committee that if they vote against the republican rule with Democrats, which typically vote against the rule, then you can actually block legislation and you will be able to put amendments because rules committees, that's how speakers control power and that's how they really put bad agenda and force everyone to vote on. So we were able to do a lot of things and bring a lot of amendments that never been on the floor before. I put amendment to defund un even though some Republicans voted against it, at least people will know, I mean, we're democracy, right?

You people will know that at least their representatives vote against something before you would not even be able to put it on the floor or the same warrant amendment. But I think that what Speaker Johnson is doing right now, which is very upsetting because for a lot of people, he's actually suspending these rules because rules are kind of became tough. He's suspending the rules. And he's able then he needs to get two thirds of people to vote for this legislation. And that's why he pretty much get running Democrat agenda.

Patrick Bet-David
So you said when you're like, hey, let's get together, you know, push the agenda, you know, let's fight for the voter and all this other stuff. But then also earlier you said that Barack Obama was smart because he was able to get some of the grant money to the local politicians and control them. And that was one of their ways of getting reelected. Right? So do you think out of everybody we have in the house, do you think in their minds in order, what matters the most?

Let me ask this question, because you're on the inside, what do you think to the most people in Congress, what matters the most? The favor of grants, the favor of your political party, power players, establishment guys to back you up, your actual voters that you have or big money donors, what do you think their loyalty is to those four? Well, I'll just tell you that the most people of war have been getting reelected, okay? And then to get reelected, it's a combination of things. Unfortunately, a lot of people listen, it's a great service.

Victoria Spartz
It's a great duty, tour of duty, responsibility, but it's a tough job. I don't know how you can be there forever. Like, I believe, like, you have to do your best deliver and then leave the laws, you know, that you legislated and you can become insane to be there for that. Lord, I'm not worried about people like you. But that's not majority of people.

Majority people want there forever. To be there forever. That's what I'm concerned about, to be there forever. First you need to have the money. You know?

So to have the money, there are two ways how people now figure out how they money. Either they funnel money to their own companies. Now we actually have politicians that pass legislation and goes into their own businesses, which is, it's a true corruption. It's not even crime. So such as who?

Oh, listen, well, listen, I've been a state legislator. Actually, my opponent that run against me, actually doing the same thing, he was passing bills that put grants in his own company. Let me get this straight. So they're running for Congress, they're running their own companies, and then they pass legislation and law to benefit and send money to their own companies. Is that legal?

Well, I guess no one went to jail for it yet. So, I mean, that's why it's happening like that all the time. Who's done that? Which opponent? Are you the one prior to you in Indiana when you ran up against.

No, no. Just even my current opponent, you know, he's passing legislation that can put money in the business and some do it directly, some indirectly, and that's how it works. Okay. So I'm not maybe. How many total do we have in a house?

Patrick Bet-David
What's the number? Four. What's the number total? Is it 435? I don't know the exact number.

How many congressmen and women are there? Well, 435. Okay, 435 out of 435. How many of them don't need names? We can look them up.

How many of them pass legislation and send money to their own companies and they get away with it and nothing happens? Well, in Congress, most of the time, people, how people do that, they send to their friends. You know, sometimes they do it not directly, but sometimes they do it in the way. How you can get a lot of tax credits. You know, that is a smarter way to do it.

Victoria Spartz
Do it through tax credit abatements and grant or get a government contract. Right. So in Congress, the state legislature, a little bit easier because you don't have to, you know, report it as you know, you can have your own business and be legislative. So it's actually happened in the Congress. You have to do a little bit more evasive.

You can say, we'll do this, workforce development grants and we're going to give you billions and grants. And who is going to get these billions of grants? Probably 20 companies. And what is this 20 companies or whoever get big contribution? And it could be your friends.

It could be companies that you are involved with if you're involved with these companies. And this happens all the time. You know, especially it happened at the state level and this is becoming very bad. Who's getting all these credits? Right.

If we think about it, how many companies getting credits? A lot of these credits that allocated federal government passes credits. This credit goes to the states. Well, there is a limited amount of credits. How they allocate it.

Well, they allocate it based on political favoritism. That's why we create a country when we created these oligarchs. And, you know, whoever's closer to politics is going to get all of these benefits and how this small enterprise can compete. If some businesses have free employees, tax abatements, tax credits, if they are going to get all of this support and different grants to their company, and that is going to very few. It's not even applied to everyone.

And I think that is becoming a huge problem. And they call it all of now republicans call it workforce development. We have free employees for some companies. That's the reality. You know, or, you know, they give it to friends and then they give money to friends and, you know, I mean, listen, what is number one, lobby hospital monopoly.

Number two, insurance monopoly. Number three, big pharma. They get billions of dollars defrauding some of these funds like Medicare, that going bankrupt. And you saw what's happened. If Trump just mentioned, oh, we are going to deal in with, you know, fraud in Medicare.

He got attacked. He got attacked. Oh, my gosh. So he like backtracked because the money is so big. So there is so much money given all of the special interest groups and the country is going bankrupt.

We have inflation, we're destroying the middle class and poor people, people on fixing them. But the money are too powerful. So that's what it controls. You either send money if you have your own business or your friends businesses or your contributors, and then they put in super pacs and then this money will run craziest campaigns and you can save whatever lie you want. So, okay, I just pulled up Brookings Institute.

Patrick Bet-David
Can you pull this up? Rob, what I just found right now, I'm just curious to know what this is. I want to find out from your peers. You know, how typically you look at, you're like, okay, what is the trend of who decides to become a lawyer in school? Well, typically the guy that maybe argued a lot or the gal that liked to debate always in school, or maybe their parents were lawyers or something happened to them that inspired them to want to fight and correct an injustice, you know, but you can pretty much see a profile of somebody that in school ends up becoming a lawyer.

Okay, who ends up becoming a comedian. You'll know what the profile of somebody that becomes a comedian. The class clown. Like, if you go look at, I wonder, out of a thousand high schools, if we put a profile of 1000 class clowns, how many of those class clowns ended up becoming comedians over maybe the president of chess or the chess president or whatever it is, you can see a trend in a profile. What is the profile of people who go into Congress?

What is their pro, is there a profile like, do you see, it's usually somebody that's a former son of a congressman or a congresswoman. It's normally somebody that was, you know, a former lawyer. It's normally somebody that. What do you're around these guys all the time. They're your colleagues.

What is the profile of a former, you know, of a congressperson? You'd be surprised by a lot of people out there, they're like, been involved in politics all their life. They're like staffers. They've been a chief of staff work in politics. Interesting.

Victoria Spartz
And most, a lot of these people that actually never had a real job, that is a percentage of people. What percentage, you know, that never had a real job, always worked in politics. I didn't really calculate that, but it probably would be roughly half of them. I would say a lot. A lot of people.

I mean, I haven't really sent down. Sure, I get it. But I know a lot of them, or like people get involved, they couldn't have a job. And you'd be surprised. Some of them, I just don't want to really say bad things about it.

Patrick Bet-David
I get it. I got enough enemies. So I don't, you know, I'd rather attack Democrats that, you know, even among my Republicans friends, like some of them, if you read their bio, you know, it's like Sandra's was saying, victoria, they're all complaining about me. All, if you would look at everyone else's bio, I'm like, well, sure, you know, the buyers really not what they sell it to people, right? So a lot of them were unemployed before they got involved in politics.

Victoria Spartz
They couldn't have a job. So they become like political consulting or doing stuff on the ground. And then they kind of advance and then they work for the staff as a staffer in the district office and the congressional office, and then they like know how to do all this check mark is good. Make sure that all these rating groups, you know, rating them good. Let's put name on this bill.

We'll do this messaging bill. They never tried to accomplish anything. All they want to do and they want to stay there. Otherwise they're unemployed or maybe stay there for some time and then they will get like a powerful job to be some government relations person and they will make it million dollar a year or more. Like some of them make really a lot of money.

So I think we have few people. They become a government relations because they can sell their political connections. Then to get good grants and credits for your company. You have connections, you know, people from inside, you know how the process works. I mean, few of them are living now with having a very high, powerful job, with going to pay them a lot.

So that's a lot of a step stone for someone who never really had a real job. That's a percentage. There is a percentage there. People that are truly like a passionate people. And some like one issue, there are a lot of people that come like a lot of people like from social conservatives with pro life issues.

They're very passionate about that. And they come from kind of a grassroots, cause driven. Cause driven. But a lot of people like one issue, people like, you know, like issues like. And the issues like very narrow, like as long as they care about the issue, whether it's abortion or pro Second Amendment, they don't really care about other issues.

So it's sometimes very hard to organize. And I say, I am also, I'm strong supporter for Second Amendment. I am a strong pro life supporter. But if we don't deal with fiscal issues, that's how they bring communism, take our gun rights. But it's very hard sometimes to bring these people into fiscal issues, but where everything is about the money and that is what Washington DC, what's happening right now.

And we are failing as a republic because we have too much corruption with the money. And it's truly, I call it corruptions, not lightly, but it is not even cronyism. It's a true corruption where politicians figure out that they can buy votes. Either Democrats put in all of these ngo's and suppressing poor people, or Republicans giving handouts to a lot of special interest groups that put money in super pacs and all of them put money in super pacs. So both establishments of the party figure it out how they can get reelected and then brainwash and lie to people.

I think people are waking up, but with money you have an ability to sell lies. And that's why if you look at a lot of conservatives and people that, you know, have common sense, they're afraid to really stand up because there is no money. You know, if you are independent thinker and willing to challenge your party. So a lot of them are afraid to do that. So.

Patrick Bet-David
Okay, so you're going back to the people that came from having worked for somebody. So is their loyalty to the people that gave them favors or is their loyalty to their actual local community voters? Who's their loyalty to, to Washington DC to get reluctant because they understand. I mean it. What percentage, I mean I do release, I would have to calculate.

Victoria Spartz
So I don't want to say that. But a lot of people are. If you look at their bi, like. 50% of loyalties to DC. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, listen, of course it is. I mean look at even Kevin McCarthy. I don't want to pick on him because he's. But he's pretty much spent all his life in politics. I think his only job, he had like internships when he was in college he never had a job where he was not involved in politics.

So you become like a creature of Washington DC and I don't think these people even see outside of Washington DC. A lot of these people don't even live in the districts. They just sometimes travel to cut a ribbon. So they don't even know what's happening on the ground. They didn't live real long.

Patrick Bet-David
Such as who? You know, I mean, I mean listen, I don't want to pick on some. Of college but when you're saying that to me that's very weird to me. You don't live in the district that you got. A lot, a lot of people don't live in the district.

What's a lot of people? More than 50%, more than 20% probably. At least 50% of people that don't. Live in the district that pays on DC. They live in Washington DC.

Victoria Spartz
Yeah. They actually move families and they live in Washington DC. Why do they do that? Why are they closer to DC than the district that they're representing? Well because it's became, it's, you know, it's convenient.

It's hard to live it. That's why you know this job is hard and it meant to be hard. That's when you don't stay forever. But it's difficult to travel between district, have family there, working in DC, you're constantly on the move. It's hard.

Patrick Bet-David
Is most of your job in DC your actual day to day job is majority of your duties your job in the local district or in DC? Well listen, I consider it to be that I served the district so I moved most of my operation in the district. I actually got rid of a lot of people in DC and moved things in the district because I feel my employees in the district serve people better and understand better than a lot of young kids that don't even understand Indiana. And I actually heard that it used to be from some people that work in Congress for a long time. It used to be like that many years ago but now it's switch where most things are done in DC and the district is just kind of a second thought because most money to get reelected are concentrated in Washington DC.

Victoria Spartz
So a lot of people to get reelected have to serve Washington DC and that's what the problem is. Or afraid to challenge Washington DC. We have some good people but they kind of either give up and pray. And I said it takes more than praying or just, you know, don't want to challenge Washington DC because they don't want to be attacked. What are some bad.

Patrick Bet-David
Like, for example, if you're hanging around language, right? If. If all of a sudden I hear my kids using a phrase, like, about nine months ago, one of my sons start saying, that's cap. That's cap. Rob, you know what that means?

That's Cap said, that's cap. So Google, what does that's cap mean? Right? And I'm like, what the hell are these kids talking about? That's cap.

That's cap. That's cap. And then it's like, okay, that's cap means. That's cap. Can you pull out what the meaning is that's cap as a slang term for that's fake.

That's lying. Do you realize the entire day these kids were saying, that's cap? I had no clue what the hell they were saying. I don't have a clue what that's cap means, but they learned it from school, right? And you can all of a sudden, if you're a kid and you.

You see your kid is doing some bad things, you. First thing we look at is what your peers, because we're picking it up from our peers, right? Just someone we were kids. Your congress is no different. Who are the kids you hang out with?

Right? So what are some bad habits you pick up from being in Congress too long? Because if you hang out with certain people in a nightlife too long, maybe eventually you're going to try ecstasy. Maybe you're going to try cocaine. Maybe you're going to do some drugs.

Maybe you're going to do some stupid stuff. If you're hanging out with nightlife people in Las Vegas or Miami, hypothetically, you hang out gamblers, eventually you're probably going to be gambling. If you hang out. Gangster with gangsters, eventually you're probably going to be a gangster. Or you're going to say, I don't want to hang out with these guys anymore.

If you hang out successful winners, you're eventually gonna hate them or you're gonna be successful in a winner. What are some bad habits you pick up from being in Congress for too long? I think you just give up and, you know, and become part of the circus, you know, bread and circuses. And you don't, you lose the energy because the machine is so powerful. And as a human being, you can do so much.

Victoria Spartz
And I can see from a lot of people that at the beginning of their congressional career, they were strong fighters. And then they get, like, disenchanted, just tired, and they kind of, oh, Victoria, we've tried this, and it just didn't work and you. So a lot of people just truly give up. And they think it's terrible, but they're not willing to fight the fight, you know, and it's a constant battle. It's unfortunate.

That's why other people give up or just leave and say, it's like one of the lobbyists, Victoria, we will outlive here, all of you, so we don't worry about that. People like you will outlive them here. And that's the challenge you have. People either leave or not willing. And that's something is sometimes for some very feisty members, I have to re energize them and say, we have to win this war.

We have to stand up. We cannot be like, you know, and I understand sometimes it's so hard. I said, we have to figure something out, because this is something the hill we have to take. Okay, so let me ask you another question. So what's the.

Patrick Bet-David
What's the dream? You know, the dream. Like, hey, Victoria, let's just say you're a realtor. You're working for compass, you're working for Keller Williams or whatever it is. Hey, Victoria, the great thing about being in real estate, in 20 years, you're going to be able to say you own a beautiful home, and you have 20 rental properties that you're making money off of.

And one day you're going to make a half a million dollars per year. And, you know, you're going to have money in the bank. You don't ever have to worry about it. And you're going to go to this and you're going to live off of your clients. And that's the dream, right, of being in real estate for 20 years, right?

Hey, if you're going to be in money under management one day, you're going to have a billion dollars of money under management. Just a 1% fee every year. You're going to make a million dollars, whatever the number's going to be, right? And you're going to make half a percent. You're going to make four or $5 million per year, and we can have an incredible life living in New York.

Okay, great. What's the dream like when you go to lunch? What dream are they talking about? What is the dream of one day I'm going to be. What if I become a congressperson?

Victoria Spartz
Well, listen, unfortunately, a lot of people there, someday they're going to leave Congress and make money. Congress is the stuff stopping. I've been lobbying from government relation position because a lot of people get into Congress, they already have some money and want to get even richer or they never had a job and now they have an opportunity to stay there for some time and then, you know, get a job lobbying and make some money. And that's unfortunate because is that openly. Talked about amongst everybody?

Not openly. Some people, you know, kind of talk about a little bit, but generally people know who it is, who they are and what it is, I think very few people will say there, you know, you have to energize sometimes people, and I will ashamed my colleagues and say we cannot like the country's in trouble. We have to do something about it. We have to get up and do that. But very difficult because all of the incentives, you know, peruse incentives in that job is to do nothing, go with the status quo and kind of, you know, as long as you don't rough the feathers, if you wrap the feathers, you'll be attacked, you'll have a bunch of media articles, you'll have big money coming after you.

It's so painful to do that. But I truly believe with all this and what I said, if you would have a true leadership and if somebody say, you know what, because it's a hard job and people sacrifice a lot, really, it's not an easy job. And if you truly say, you know what, we're going to take this hill. This is important for the country. We're going to make tough votes and they matter.

I think a lot of people would go with it. A lot of people say, you know what, I'll do something for the Republican, you know, that actually will be meaningful. You think so? Yes. I even tell you, it took me a while with Kevin McCarthy when he was a speaker to get him on board to deal with some debt issues.

And he was not. It's tough. And Biden didn't want, and he didn't want to fight. By the end of his term, he actually agreed with me and said, victoria, I probably agree. This is something probably more consequential if we could get it done in decades in Congress.

And he actually was on board with me. Too bad it took him too long. But I think truly if you get to human nature there and just to us as humans and organize and if we would have a leadership that can inspire and can move people, I think a lot of people would move because each person would want to help do something. But we don't have leadership and we haven't had it for a very long time. And you have to realize the voters sitting there doesn't have a lot of hope right now for the house, after what just happened recently with 90 something billion dollars of 61 billion going back to Ukraine.

Patrick Bet-David
So for someone like you, you're born in USSR, right? 1978. Your president at the time, I want to say, was who? Brezhnev? Is that, is that who it was?

Victoria Spartz
Yeah. Brezhnev. Yeah. Okay, so you have, after Brezhnev, you have Vasily Kuznetsov, right? Then you have Yuri Andropov.

Patrick Bet-David
Then you have back at it again. Vasily comes back up. Then you got Constantine Chernico. Then you have Vasily comes again three times. Then you have Andrei Gromyko, then you have Gorbachev, Gorbachev, Gorbachev.

And then boom, you know, obviously, hey, mister president, turn down, you know, tear down that wall. And then boom, everything changes, right? What was USSR like when you were born there? What was it like living in a communistic regime? Well, listen, I actually, you know, it was interesting because I recently watched a series of, about Chernobyl, you know, and I was actually very surprised how, what a good depiction of Soviet Union it was.

Victoria Spartz
It's american made, but I was like, wow, like, you know, it remind me all of this KGB and people following you and make sure you don't stick out. And if you say something, you know, they come after you and how they collect data. And every college and every school had people that constantly watching you and collecting you. And I mean that literally. Literally.

Literally. I mean, yes, it was, you know, they had a communist person that just make sure that no one said against something against the party, watching everyone. And who's, if you get on their list, that potentially you could be someone that wouldn't be, you know, potentially would be a problem. They will be after you and then they try to use police state through the police or they will try to make people, you know, put some crimes on them. Or if they could not do that, they will use mental health, you know, they will put people in mental health facilities.

And if they cannot do that, they would use bandits. Actually, it was actually very, all of the criminal groups, they were like not part of the government, but they kind of like were used by government if it needed to do that, you know. So I think that was a very, you know, I mean, they pretty much allow all of the orphanages to, you know, to breed, you know, and grow criminals. You know, that went into criminal groups, but at least they were not integrated with government. Now, I think criminal groups are part of government.

It's even worse. You know, at least they had some standards. You know, they were separated now it's really lawlessness. But I think that's kind of reminded me. And I actually made my kids to watch it because I thought that was a very good depiction of life.

You know, I grew up actually by Chernobyl. My father was the person who died of cancer because he helped, he was a chief engineer, helped with a lot of building and evacuation. So he had died in the age of 41 because he was actually gone to the meetings like that. Wow. You know, so I kind of like, you know, I grew up in that area.

I remember that I was young, but that was, you know, that's actually probably the first Soviet Union to fall apart, you know, and, you know, and. But how many, it's kind of show how meaningless the life is in the system, you know. How far did you live from Chernobyl? Because. 1980s.

Yeah, it's 70 km. You know, Chernobyl, you were eight years. Old when it happened. Seven and a half. Eight years old when it happened.

Yes. Like 70 km from Chernobyl. It's very close, you know, so that's. And I remember when on May 1 they had demonstrations, you know, this is like, you know, the Labor Day demonstration, celebrate Soviet Union. They never told people what's happened.

People would faint during these demonstrations. You know, people were hiding in Germany, but in Soviet Union, former Soviet Union, they let people go on the streets and a lot of people felt sick and everything else. And that's how terrible. No one cared about the people, you know, that's, you know, they only care is about the agenda. They only care is, oh, make sure that we can keep our look good and wes wouldn't know what's going on.

It's all hiding oppression, tyranny, data collection, intimidating people in submission and telling people lies. Very strong propaganda. And I think that's why human lives don't matter in systems like that. It's all. I think it's.

I don't know, I think it's darling said, you know, life of one person is tragedy. Life of millions is statistically so. It's all statistics. They didn't care as long as they can keep power, you know, and that is very, you know, I mean, the system that of oppression, you know, it's very hard to understand until you experience that. Okay, so you're in Chernobyl.

Patrick Bet-David
Pops dies from cancer, 41, living with KGB. You're growing up. What, what personal events happened that caused you politically to question things? I guess maybe the other question would be how did they shape your mindset about America, about communism, about capitalism? What did you think about those things growing up as a child?

Victoria Spartz
Well, as a child, you know, we actually, we turn. I was thought about evil capitalists going to come and send all these nukes and all this stuff, right? But what did they say about capitalists? Oh, they're the evil capital pigs, and they all care about rich people and all this stuff. And, you know, we about equality.

I mean, it's all propaganda. Karl Marx propaganda, right? You put, you know that, you use class Bofello, you use religions warfare. You always put people collide people together to oppress because no one wants to have the same outcomes. We're different people.

Some of us want to be politicians, some of us to be business people, someone to be artists. When you force people to do something that you decide as the government they should do, you only can do it through oppression. People are born to be free. We don't like to be told by someone on top. So you have to force and intimidate people.

There is no other way you can force equal outcomes. You know, that's why you can and you will never have equal opportunities. Listen, I came here barely speaking English with one suitcase, so my opportunities were tough. What do you do in 2000? My opportunities were not that easy.

Okay. But it doesn't matter. We are country about equality of rights. You have a right to pursue happiness in whichever way you want. And government cannot tell you what you should be or what you to do.

But I think a lot of this is kind of getting lost. But if I think about, you know, what's really shaped me a lot as a young person. When Soviet Union fell apart, I went to college and I studied economics, and half of my academia were in Kiev, okay? You know, so half of my academia was pro, like, free enterprise freedmen Hayek, and half still was like a communist, Karl Marx, you know. But that was a very vibrant time, even though it was very bandit times, a lot of criminals.

I mean, it was terrible mob rule, but still vibrant time where there was this hope of something bright and hope of something like some democratic freedoms and some, you know, so it was very inspirational in some day, some way times where, you know, they were building new, like stock exchanges and founding all these different democratic principles in the country, post soviet countries. And being a young person at that time, I read like, Alexis de Tocqueville about democracy. So I read a lot of it probably made me too idealistic about the United States. I read a lot of books of founding fathers, you know, when I came here. So I was probably like, thought about, you know, United States of this freedom.

Like, you know, it's just kind of like when people cross the ocean during founding father's times, you know, for the freedoms. That was kind of my, in my side, I saw this country, freedom of this energy of that. And I was very surprised when I got some reality checks. But it was interesting to me when I got involved with politics at the grassroots level, just being pissed off. I got involved as a tea party movement with a lot of older Americans, and a lot of them actually already dead people that were involved with me in early two thousands when that happened against Obama and everything else.

And this is what different generations of Americans, they were Americans, patriotic, hardworking, with values of similar values like I have. So I think it made me also kind of willing to fight with them, because I truly believe, and they shape me also quickly into integrate in this kind of, like, grassroots movement of Americans that I was willing to go against my own party, start taking down politicians. I took down politicians. They took party leadership down, and I really was willing to fight. But I think, as a young person, exposure to a lot of older Americans with these beliefs shape me or even stronger my beliefs that we have to fight for that.

Patrick Bet-David
Did you ever read Ayn Rand while you were in Russia, or. No, I read it a little bit, but I think I read it here probably later. But we had it, like, in my high school classes, we actually had, this. Is after Gorbachev, so after high school, so they were. No, we had it.

Victoria Spartz
I think it was like, I tried to remember, because when I first time I read it, I think it was. Yeah, they had it because it was kind of like they had during Gorbachev times. I mean, I graduated 95, so it was still, you know, so I, you know, it was kind of during Gorbachev and after, it was the time where kind of things become more democratic, and we started having this nineties were very interesting times, you know? And then who was Gorbach? Who was Ayn Rand to you guys?

Patrick Bet-David
Like, how did they paint Ayn Rand? I think at that time, the things were becoming more pro american, you know? And I think there was a time where people start waking up from what's happening and more access to information from outside start coming, and we start talking more about. And plus, I had a family history. My grandfather, his family was sent by Stalin to die because they were landowned.

Victoria Spartz
They sent a lot of Ukrainians and created famine. So he always hated communists. So I had that kind of, in my, you know, in my family history, I already had people that suffered a lot from communism, so. And he was like, you always have to be free, and these people are oppressive. My father was.

He was like a young leader. He says, like, all of this stuff is B's, you know, and what they do in it. Would they tell you to be quiet, but don't say anything when you go to school? My, my grandfather was not quiet, and he actually was very feisty. And he was even for some time was sent to Siberia for a little bit for that.

So he was not quite. He was refusing to join communist party. So he was never really white person, you know, but, you know, but a lot of people were, you know, and like, my grandma, like, she baptized me secretly, you know, and she, you know, I mean, you couldn't go really pray, but she may allow me to pray at night. What was her religion that time when. You prayed orthodox Christian.

Patrick Bet-David
What was Russia? So you couldn't pray that now, what was Russia like? Well, listen, you couldn't, like, they have no churches, you know, like, if we had to go, like, she secretly brought me to priests, you know, why get rid of churches? What was the reason if we get getting rid of churches? Because, you know, communists understood religious makes people stronger and less dependent on government.

Victoria Spartz
You know, the same second amendment, why they took guns away from people, it makes you stronger individual, why they took land from you. That's why they all now do the same things here. Because when you own property, you're less dependent on government. But if you have a public, you know, government provides you all these things, it's easy to you, to control you, and, you know, and they know that. And that's why religion keeps you as individual.

The stronger you individual, the harder to oppress. So when you take education, if you take guns from people, if you take land from people, if you take religion from people, we become weak people, easy to manipulate. And that's what they want, to turn you into puppets. So that's why they wanted to make sure the only religion is going to be government, you know, only socialist communist agenda. And your God is essentially like the president of Russia.

That's right. That's right. You know, that you have, you know. You similar to what Hitler did. Hitler got rid of churches as well.

Yeah, communist party. That's your religion. That's your religion. Yeah. So what was your earliest moment where Putin started becoming public in Russia?

Patrick Bet-David
When did most Russians learn about Putin publicly, where it was a bigger name? Well, I think, you know, listen, Putin wasn't as, you know, powerful, you know, in nineties, but in two thousands, you know, and I think, I think he started gaining power because I think Yeltsin was unfortunately, a lot of Russians, you know, like, didn't like that he was weak because Russians have kind of taught from early. And even in Soviet Union times, they probably live worse than Ukrainians. If you go to Siberia, you know, they have like Moscow and St. Peter Bursitz country within the country where they have a lot wealthy people and they live a different life, but they always oppress regions, you know, take a lot of resources and people live very, very poor, you know, so to be able to keep the populations like that, you know, oppressed, you have to build some kind of like, you know, nationalism and stuff.

Victoria Spartz
So they always said, like, Russians are a little bit better. So we have this Russian, you know, even during the time of Soviet Union, they consider to be a little bit more superior. Like, oh, Ukrainians or Georgians or Armenians, they're like third class citizens. You know, we're like most superior. And they build it in Russians from little age that they are like imperial type of use and everyone else.

I was kind of funny where I had some auditing of subsidiaries of our firms back in Moscow and I came as an American they hated because I was a Ukrainian born and telling Russians what to do. Oh, my gosh, it's really, you know, it really irritated them so much. But it was interesting for me when I observed at that time, I haven't lived in that country. When I came as an American, a lot of people in Moscow were telling me, God, Victoria, Putin is taking out power more and more and more centralizing power now. He's now appointed governors.

He's doing this. So he started really accumulating a lot of power. And Russians since they had president alcoholic. And it's embarrassing. Yeltsin was so embarrassing.

He was this tough guy. He started building that on like, we are going to be respected. And I think west made the big mistake that we didn't take him seriously when he decided he's going on offense. And he, he pretty much said, I don't care about your defenses. You know, I'm going on offense.

You know, you're not taking me in your club, so I'm going to just cause you headaches. Putin, he did say, he did say that very openly. And I think it was a bad mistake that we did not, that we kind of pulled out, didn't help democratic institutions at that time to be built and kind of didn't work with Russia. And that was a missed opportunity. And then Russia turned into this country that now very agenda oriented and really has a lot of bad blood because United States took down Soviet Union.

And Putin, if you remember history, you have to look, he was in charge of KGB in East Germany, so he was the guy who pretty much had to face all of this. And that's why he became in power so much, because he knew where all assets of soviet union was. Probably took a lot of them, you know, but he knew where everything was happening because Soviet Union had a lot of assets different on the west, you know, that. Who was in his ear the most? Did he have somebody that was a mentor?

Well, I think. Who was in his ear? Well, I, you know, I really don't know his history that deep. But if you can think about it, you do not become in charge of KGB if you're really stupid. First of all, you know, they pick some people that could be.

That would be very trained and very good to lead all of this institution like KGB, because you have to monitor and oppress and everything else. So he definitely grew through that system of knowing how to do propaganda. He must have been very talented to do that to be able to get to the position he was and kind of move through that. But I think figuring it out where the money are. And he had that.

I think at that time he had some. He worked for St. Petersburg mayor, and he had a lot of people with money and corruption at the time. So they kind of. But it's interesting thing, what's really turning to Russia right now, it's actually, it's former, like KGB, FSB, plus the true bandits.

Like, he brought true bandits into power, too. Like Chechnya truly cuts road bandits, you know, so it's kind of sitting and Kremlin. So he created this kind of almost like a collaboration of KGB and mob rule to oppress. And if they cannot use KGB or FASB, then they use mobsters after the people and oppress a lot of population. What do you think Putin's vision is?

Patrick Bet-David
Like, for example, right now? You know, there's some people that's like, we gotta keep giving money. You Zelenskyy, we gotta help him. He's a noble guy. We gotta help him out.

We gotta do this, we gotta do that. And, you know, just, Rob, if you can pull up the clip, I'm sure you. You're probably going to get the chills all over your body, maybe even get emotional if you see this video, if you want to show the clip of Zelensky and Nancy Pelosi, very sentimental, I'm sure. Victoria, this is a special moment in your career if you want to play this. Zelensky and Nancy Pelosi, you know, sharing the flag and going through this incredible process.

And then, Rob, if you can play the clip of just last week after they got the bill passed and what everybody and, you know, House was doing, and this clip is, you should happen back in the same place you were at. This is just last week after we approved the bill. Look at all these ukrainian flags.

Most of them are standing on the left side, but also a lot of people on the right side. So you see something like this, okay, you got Putin, you got Zelensky. You didn't say a lot of favorable things about Putin right now. Right? Who is Zelenskyy to you when you see Zelenskyy?

Victoria Spartz
I'm not a fan of Zelenskyy. Why is that? I'll tell you something, you know, and unfortunately for ukrainian people. And I said, listen, I actually was very surprised at like, you know, how much attack I got. And I was like, listen, I shouldn't be as american congresswoman.

I shouldn't question foreign government that I left 24 years ago from the country, what they're doing with our money, getting attacked for that. I am proud of my ukrainian heritage, but I separate heritage from governments. And I was very disappointed when I saw what's happening in Ukraine. I'll be honest with you, when I ran for Congress, I ran as a CPA to fix our fiscal issues, to protect the border and fix this crush and debt and inflation because in health care, because I knew what's happening, I did not even want, I knew how complicated Ukraine was and I didn't want to even deal with that. I'll be honest with you, I just felt like, OMG, big war is coming and no one is doing anything.

And it's going to be a big war that can turn the whole Europe. And I thought maybe, you know, Biden does a lot of talk and see what he's doing. And I was very surprised when I went to Ukraine to see that neither Biden nor Zelensky did nothing before war started. And if you remember, you know, when Trump said to Putin, not under my watch. And Putin only understand the power.

He doesn't care about messaging crazy statements, wave and flight. That doesn't matter. He is who understands only power, the only deterrence for him not to move further, and he will move further as much as you'd let him move further and cause a lot of headaches. And what he's doing in the Middle east is caused by him. Too.

And China and Iran, that's all they do jointly because they after us. And now they teamed up officially to come after us. But the only way you can deal with them, you have to have a strategy. And it's not just weapons. We took down Soviet Union actually by dealing with oil and financial markets.

We limited access to financial markets for Soviet Union and suppress the price of oil. And what we're doing, we're doing nothing right now. Putin is doing a lot of making a lot of money that he can finance his war. And then we actually have our pipelines at half capacity and don't do permitting for natural gas. And when Trump and said, Germany, what in the hell are you doing?

Why are you so dependent on Russia or told Europeans, you are not serious, you need to get to 2% because it's a bigger problem for you than for us, which 100% true. I mean, this is a bigger. Europeans are doing nothing. Why they always think that Americans should go and bail them out and they can leave the socialism b's, you know, I mean, people are tired of that. I'm tired of that, too, because our grandchildren will be paying for that.

But I'll tell you, Zelensky did nothing. I was shocked when we came. So the first time I came, it was actually a few weeks before the war when Biden was saying, oh, Putin is going to attack, he's going to attack. I was very surprised they were not getting, oh, we cannot have panic. I'm like, what are you talking about?

We were ready that during soviet time, that we're going to have missiles landing. And we were practicing monthly. If America is going to attack us, we were actually putting, every student was putting ak 47s together. We had a test in 45 seconds. We did, girls and boys, to make sure if Americans come to fight with us, that was a test required.

And you actually have war already from 2014. I mean, people don't realize the war started in 2014 under Obama. Biden, which gave blankets to Ukraine. Trump was the first one who gave weapons to Ukraine. But I think, and you do nothing, you're not getting the country ready.

So I was very surprised. And then. And Biden did nothing. We were telling him, okay, we need to put some deterrences, because Putin understands if you're serious, you know, he's not going. He's not that dumb.

But we did nothing. Then the war started. The same thing, you know, Biden slow walked the a, did nothing. And what is he doing? He's trying to turn it in.

20 year war. And this is terrible. It costs a lot of money. It costs a lot of lives. And I don't think west win on longevity.

We speed up on agility and speed. Democracies are not as good. Dictatorships prevail in the long run. I said, I don't understand why we're doing that. This is dumb strategy.

What are we doing? I understand we cannot have Russia doing what they're doing. It causes a lot of headaches. What they're doing right now for all of us. But we need to be more serious.

And they were not serious about that. That's why I was very surprised in the same Zelenskyy. And they. No one built like we're talking about. No one even builds like, okay, let's say your strategy to have a 20 year war, you know, I completely disagree.

But let's say I am wrong. You're right. Where wall is building all of the capacity. Putin is doing production in his country. He figure out how to do.

Ukraine is doing nothing, and Biden is doing nothing. So you push this war in a long term war, but you don't even build. Didn't even build capacity. So what is your real strategy? That is puzzling me.

What is he really doing and where the money going? I could never. I had an NDA amendment. I said, I want to know which countries in which companies receive all the cash. We pass it through the house, they took it out in the Senate.

They never report to Congress. They don't report to american people what's happening. And I think that's a problem. So I feel bad for the ukrainian people. I understand what it is, but we cannot have the slush funds.

And I think that just, you know, I object to that. And I think Zelensky's been very weak leader. I think Putin take advantage of that. He has a lot of corrupt people around him, and Russia takes advantage of that. They know very well you put like, a puppet someone like Zelensky, similar like him.

Put bunch of people around him that you can buy, and that's very convenient for us. So how much you know about this? Ukraine said it uncovered $40 million corruption scheme and weapons procurement, where some are even speculating that Zelensky's taking money off the money that's being given to his country. Do you think that level of corruption is being happening right now, where he's taking money from it or no? Well, listen, I think that's something for them to look at that.

But what I was just saying, that's why I pushed. I said, listen, you know, I was very tough with them. That's why they probably hate me. It's probably if not more than Putin, but they have a lot of anti propaganda against me in Europe and in Ukraine. They tell the craziest stuff about me.

Oh, listen, they put like a billboard on me, like, oh, this is like pro Kremlin put in assets or something like that. It's terrible, you know, but it's really, you know, I think when I try to push, because all I said is that I want accountability. And I said I want to have point to point logistics. I want any weapons will be delivered right to the front line with Americans. I don't trust any Ukrainians oversee that.

You know, there are some good people there, a lot of shady people. And that's what my conflict with them started that I said, I want point to point logistics and Americans to see what's happening with weapons. And I'm not supporting giving cash to ukrainian government. No, I do not trust them even a little bit. I understand.

Patrick Bet-David
Why not? Well, listen, I mean, unfortunately, you think. He'S capable of stealing money from. Listen, listen, everyone is, you know, or they can steal their own money and then ask us to refill the budget. You know, that's the chances that he's already stolen.

Stolen some money from us. Listen, I mean, the. Considering how that country is, I mean, listen, let's just be very honest who we're dealing with. Unfortunately, former soviet republic, except maybe Baltics, whether it's Russia, Ukraine, or any other ones, are very corrupt country. The whole eastern Europe, unfortunately, struggling still from corruption and the level of corruption when you have a war and opportunities for corruption when you have infiltration by russian, too, you know, the Russians know, if they infiltrate Ukraine, and that's been happening a lot, actually, when he had to fire a bunch of close people, you know, then you can.

Victoria Spartz
Corruption can lose any war. And I think that's a big challenge to do that. And I said, listen, they can deal with their own corruption. My responsibility for american weapons and money, what we're doing here, I am american congresswoman, and I want to make sure that they are not, you know, taking our money and weapons. And that's what, you know, I was very surprised when Biden said, and that's why I put pressure this, that a little bit better.

Where I said, okay, what do you mean? Like, I don't know what's happening after the border crossed, you know, after the. We gave stuff at the polish border and we don't know what's happening that I said, that's b's that is unacceptable. What is the current way, when we give money? What happens to the money?

Patrick Bet-David
And who does the money go to? Like, right now, the $61 billion. Right. That's going to go to Ukraine. Where is that going?

Victoria Spartz
You don't know if they're going to go Ukraine. Because if you think about. That's what the problem I had, like, I know, like, from even one of the packages before, you know, the billion dollars went to Yemen, Houthis in Yemen that were taken from a terrorist list, that shooting our ships, you know, so, like they have associated causes. So Ukraine is becoming a slush fund where not all this money actually go directly. Some of the money go to rebuild some of our allies.

You know, they're, you know, in Europe. Okay, that's all great, but why is that part of ukrainian money? Some of the rebuild our stockpile. Some of them, you know, some of the countries give garbage to Ukraine and then bought some new equipment and Ukraine got half of not working. So I think this is just not right way to do it.

That's why I had a very big objections. Like, we don't even know the way how this bill writtens. You know, most of them, we don't even know what is even going directly to Ukraine. Ukraine. Only part of it, I believe it's like 16 or something billion.

It's, you know, it says Ukraine security assistance for Ukraine specifically. But even part of that could be used to replenish stockpiles to some countries that gave Ukraine. And we never can give an answer who gave what? And where is, where is, where is. So that's why I was surprised to see that a lot of these weapons, I didn't even see them there.

So they were all, who knows where what Biden is doing the same blank check with his drawers. You know, he can give to any international organizations. He can give to un. I've never seen un doing anything there. What do you think is the connection with Zelensky and Biden?

Patrick Bet-David
You know, some people speculate that maybe because of Burisma and what happened in the past and his son and Biden, Hunter and all this stuff. Do you think there's any link to all of a sudden his loyalty being so high in defending Ukraine? You think there's anything going there? I think Biden actually, I would actually have a different perspective. I actually was surprised how not helpful Biden was and how Jake Sullivan was actually blocking most of the approvals of the eight.

Victoria Spartz
He was the one who's actually. So I would know. I would, you know, and it's interesting because a lot of people don't realize that Hunter Biden, the oligarchy that he was getting money from, is actually, you know, work for the guy who is hiding under Putin in Russia right now. So, yeah, he worked for Yanukovych, and he was from pro russian oligarchs, not really pro ukrainian oligarchs. And some of the people in Zelenskyy administration, like Tatar, he's the one who was killing people and protesters on Maidan.

So it's very interesting how he has a lot of people in his administration that actually used to be very close to Yanukovych, which surprises me. So I didn't see them as being, like, freedom loving people at all. You know, that makes me question at all where is their loyalty and what Biden is and what is really, because he was not really trying to. He was more appeased in Russia than I ever seen. Trump gets a lot of slack, but Trump was probably way tougher in Russia, way tougher in Russia than Biden.

Biden is just lets Russia and Iran and China eat our lunch. Mainstream media disagrees with you. Oh, no, he's let them eat our lunch. Mainstream media would say, you're delusional for saying what you just said right now. They would say, are you kidding me?

Patrick Bet-David
You know, there's no way Trump was all about Putin, and Biden is the one that's helping out Ukraine. The average person will listen to what you just said. And they said, what is she talking about? No, I'm talking the facts. You're not grandiose statement.

Victoria Spartz
Biden. God does grind your statements. But if actually, if you listen to recent Putin's interview and they ask him who would he prefer? He said Biden. I would if I would be him.

He was able to do whatever the hell he wanted under Biden. And Trump pulled that up, rob, on the Biden, Obama. I mean, he did that. You know, I mean. I mean, I would be, too, because he knows that the guy is weak.

He's political and corrupt, and a lot of people around him are very shady, like Jake Sullivan. I do not even know what in the hell is going on. And this is the same guy. He worked for Hillary Clinton and made a lot of very strange deals for her, too. Jake Solomon.

Patrick Bet-David
Okay, so between the two, I don't know if you care about this or not. When you hear people saying, Putin is worth $200 billion, what do you think about that? Oh, I'm probably one of the richest people in the world. What do you think about Zelensky? You think Zelensky is also pretty.

Victoria Spartz
I think by now, probably he's a billionaire by now. You think? I wouldn't be surprised. I really don't. But considering how that country, you know, I mean, he was put in there by oligarch, but now he acts like he's an oligarch or maybe people around him.

So it's hard for me to say it. What's the business model? What is a guy like Zelensky? You go into business, okay, it's a business model on how to make money. It's not hard to find out how to make money.

Patrick Bet-David
Right. What is the business model for Zelenskyy to become a billionaire? Well, listen, it's everything like that in these countries. Like that. And listen, and I don't want to like, you know, I'll be speculating here because I didn't go like, and trace the accounts would, which, you know, we probably should see at least what's happening with our money.

Victoria Spartz
I'm pretty sure they're stealing money of their own people, you know, but at least like, don't screw with our money. That's what I told them. And I used probably much harder word, you know, then I said that I use a bad word. What did you say? I said, don't f with our money and weapons, but these are bandits.

You know, they only understand words like that. You know, they just don't understand that. And these people come, you know, these people come from all of these kind of groups, you know, like, and, you know, all of this, you know, Putin, Zelen, all of these people. But you have this, the challenge what we have, we have this young people that very patriotic. They keep taking governments.

They did one another try to find freedoms in Ukraine and they keep elected one government after another. That is corrupt. That's why it's hard to get out of that circle. So I separate ukrainian fighters and soldiers, truly patriotic young people from their government that actually not helping them sometimes see competition in the military because they worry about them. That's why I say, like, second Amendment right, it's against tyranny because politicians Ukraine at least nervous now because the military has a lot of weapons and that's when people own weapons.

That's actually, you know, something that against tyranny and keeps us strong as a republic. And it's very important. Right. People don't understand that the government make nervous when people do have ability to actually have guns and they don't have to rely on them. But I think, you know, this is how this country is you know, that, you know, everyone is just taking business.

Patrick Bet-David
Who do you trust more? Do you trust Putin more or Zelenskyy more? Well, listen, you know, this is a different, I wouldn't trust either one, right. But I'll tell you something. What is really, I mean, there is no doubt, you know, that unfortunately, that what Russia turned under Putin, it's became very brutal, dictatorial country.

Victoria Spartz
And Putin is going killing millions. It's sad for me to kill in millions. He's killing, oh, he's going to his own people. Well, his own people, people in Ukraine. I mean, this is unfortunate.

Like people of West Wagner group in Africa, what they doing there? Helping China. I mean, it's terrible, right? So it's sad to me to see what's happening there. But I also think, you know, he has ego, ambition, and he has, you know, is really, it's, you know, it's terrible what he's doing.

It's an evil power he became. But I also very get upset because it's very different. Russians are brainwashed with all of this. He's pretty much done it to his people. But it was very upset for me to see when Zelensky has these young people that very brave and very strong and freedom loving, and he is selling out the country to some of the oligarchs and people around him and making money, and there's a bloodshed, you know, so this is really betrayal of the country.

So I have no high regards for either one. You know, I don't have a very high regards for our president here. I'll be honest with you. Our president is selling out our country. He's betraying the american people.

Unfortunately, we have a lot of bad leaders, I mean, in a different way. But Biden and Zelensky let Putin do what he's doing right now with their corruption and weaknesses. And I think that is the biggest problem we have. And we didn't deter very evil power. You think it'd be different if Trump becomes president 2025?

Listen, I think Trump is very tough and he's very serious, at least. You know, I mean, sometimes, you know, he can be very unexpected in foreign policy. And I think it's a deterrence. We need to have someone with strengths because unfortunately, you know, people like Putin are not going to be listening to grandiose statements that Biden is doing. You know, they only understand the strengths.

And I think you'll have to have a president like that. Okay, so let me ask you this. So now 1 may say, well, congresswoman, respectfully, so you're saying you're not for sending money to Zelenskyy and Ukraine, but you're for sending money to Israel and the humanitarian aid. Why would you support Israel but not support money to Ukraine? Well, listen, as I said, you know, the situation with Ukraine.

I said that I would support for Ukraine to get lethal aid to hold the ground for the military because I honestly don't think under Biden and Zelensky they can win in exchange for some border security. That was an agreement. Because unfortunately, without strategy we cannot have this never ending slash funds. And I don't think strategy is going to happen under this president for two years. He now makes Russia is winning this war under his leadership and Democrats.

Okay, let's just be honest where they are right now. It's not because of Republicans. They actually were in charge when the war started. And he is losing that war to Russia and Putin where he's now moving into destabilizing the Middle east. And we have another serious crisis happening there.

So they try to blame Republicans, but it's actually lie. So, but with Israel, we also have a serious situation there, too. You know, Israel is our stronger ally in the Middle East. East. And if we keep abandoning our lives, people don't understand the implications of that.

Now you have the situation in the Middle east that every country is watching and thinking, okay, maybe at least China give you a bunch of money, put you in debt, Russia cheap weapons, but they stick with you. Americans can just abandon you in the tough moments. I think that is a serious problem for our national security. So a lot of, of countries that start making bets, should we be with United States or not with United States? And we cannot stay in the world alone.

We need to have a lie. But I think we need to put pressure on some, our allies in the Middle east and say there is no white and black, you know, there is no great white and black. You know, you have to decide, are you with China, Russia and Iran or with us? And you have to make that decision. And we haven't been that tough.

And I think now Russia with China are advancing, you know, in, in the Middle east as they've done in Africa and some other areas of South America. And that's not good for our national interest. So we have to support Israel. But I think the situation being mishandled, if you remember the same Jake Sullivan was telling favorite person, I mean, listen, I mean, he's kind of running the show there. He's make decisions, not Biden.

So let's be honest. You know, you think Jake? Oh, yes. Running the show truly is. Truly is.

He's the main guy that he's actually running all of the national security in all decisions. Really? Yes. Have you dealt with him? Have you met him?

Oh, yeah, I have. But we don't have a very friendly chance. Do you trust him? No way in hell. Why don't you trust Vince Sullivan?

Listen, I was very. A lot of actions, what they were doing, very surprising to me, almost like, actually, it's kind of funny. When they were doing sanctions on some of the oligarchs, they excluded one of the top friend of Putin and never put him in sanctions. I was very surprised. Question that, Abramowicz.

You know, and I was. I was questioning that, and after I questioned that, next day, Abramowicz was selling his team, and there's a charity. I'm like, well, that was very interesting for me. You know, I just, you know, I don't know much these oligarchs, but I've heard about them quite a lot. He's kind of a known commodity for a long time, being close to Putin.

So, you know, so a lot of actions they take are very strange and very political. Maybe just politically they're afraid and try to make some deals. But I think that the challenge. And then the same guy was telling, oh, we have this peace and security in the Middle East. I don't remember how he phrased that articles before the attack, maybe a few days before the attack.

And you have to be pretty bad when you can become where Iran and Saudi Arabia and China shaking hands and taking pictures where they actually hate Saudi Arabia hates us more than Iran. You know, how wild is that? I mean, you have to be pretty bad in foreign policy. Yeah. I'm looking at what he did before.

Patrick Bet-David
Previously, he was a director of policy to President Obama, national security adviser to then Vice President Biden, and deputy chief of staff to security Secretary Hillary Clinton of Department of State. And he served as a senior advisor to the US federal government at the Iran nuclear negotiation, as senior policy advisor to Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign, as well as visiting professor at Yale. And back in the days, he was a Coca Cola scholar, debate champion, and president of the student council and voted most likely to succeed in his class. That's Jake Sullivan for you, your favorite person. Okay, I'm gonna ask you a question about Jake Sullivan, about George Soros.

Okay. I don't know how you feel about George Soros, but I'm curious to know what you're gonna say about him. So with all the protests that are going on in different countries, colleges. Okay, here's some numbers that came out. Columbia University, more than 100 protests and arrests.

Yale, over 50 arrests. Okay. Princeton, two students, graduate students arrested. Harvard, told students not to come back. I think they closed it down.

Throughout the weekend Friday, students have been protesting and sitting up ten tents in Northwestern University. George Washington University. UCLA, hundreds of students setting up tents at the school. Then you have police arrest 100 people at Northeastern University in Boston. Indiana University, Ohio University, 30 students arrested.

Emory University, 28 students arrested. Emerson College, over 100 people arrested. USC, 93 demonstrated arrested. University of Texas, 50 protesters arrested. NYU, 100 students arrested and 20 professors arrested in NYU.

Then an article comes out, I believe it's with New York Post. George Soros is paying left wing activists to head up camp outs at college across country as huge wads of cash. They're getting paid. So then I'm looking at this article, and it shows Open Society foundation records show Soros grant making network gave $13.7 million of the money through Tight center. Okay.

And Tights foundation has given millions to organizations who have organized pro palestinian protests. According to Capital Research Center, $650,000 to Jewish Voice for Peace, 710 to Adallah Justice Project, a prop palestinian group, another 86 to, if not now, 38,000 to progressive center for constitutional Rights, 600,000 to mass Liberation project, 132,000 to Westpac. This keeps going on. Society Foundation. Open Society foundation gave $700,000 education for Just Peace in the Middle east since 2018.

Rockefeller gave another five. And then if you look at this now, us campaign for palestinian rights received Soros money and paid students, youth fellows. They received stipends of 28 80 to 33, 60 for three month term of roughly 8 hours of a week and $7,800 for community based fellows. One, what do you think about Soros? Two, why would a hungarian jew support all of these protests, pro palestinian protests?

Victoria Spartz
Well, if you remember what revolution, who was created, too, soviet revolution in 1917 was in, marxist revolution was actually created by a lot of Jews, Marxists from Europe. And, you know, this is marxian ideologies, unfortunately, you know, it's been very effective. And we should not underestimate that. He's a billionaire, though. George Soros is a billionaire.

But, you know, listen, there was a lot of billionaires with Aegean that believe that our country is not, you know, what they want it to be. There are a lot of, you know, if I look at what's happening in our country, I hate to tell you, we are moving closer to socialism and Marxists in some ways even worse than being in Soviet Union. Some of the things that I've said. Somebody could say, how could you say that? I'll tell you something, because I think what happened in college campuses, there was probably more freedom than in less intimidation during Soviet Union time.

Even to say that what's happening in our colleges, a pure intimidation, it's a pure intimidation. You didn't have this kind of intimidation? No, no, that was not even that. You know, it wasn't really. This is a level of intimidation with violence that is truly marxist view of that.

Even like in all the times of Soviet Union, they didn't have as much aggression. That's maybe happened in 1917, you know, after the revolution, that they tried to intimidate everyone. You know, that's how they try to instill this. But this is really class warfare, religious warfare, race warfare. It's truly marxist 101.

That's how you're going to destabilize the country from within and that's how you're going to use this to propaganda. And it's becoming much more dangerous even now because there is so much data collection on people and access you actually for China right now or Russia to access us within the country to stabilize, they don't have to enter the country. They can do it from outside through bots, social media, through all of this organizing, and we still cannot protect privacy and data of Americans. I think this is Congress, I think this is our duty and we're not doing that. And I think that's cradle.

But we have a lot of money and I think Soros and Obama, they were brilliant to use money to promote, agenda and destabilize the country. Because when you destabilize the country and turn into mob rules, which we're becoming into mobile, I mean, listen, I always kind of say I lived in Mobile as long as, you know, I have lots of guns and ammunition. I survived that. I'm not sure if Americans want to have it, but I am ready for it. I don't think we want to go there.

But what's happening on the border, what cartels are doing in our country, what happened in our cities with fentanyl, which actually sold majority by China and mexican cartels, you know, that pretty much control the border. We don't even have control of our own border. You know what is happening right now all of the way we turn encounter into mobile. We try to put people against each other within college campuses and young people are very easy to brainwash. And now, I mean, it's unbelievable that you actually, I had some interns, jewish kids, interns from my office from colleges.

They're truly intimidated. They afraid to be in college campuses. I mean, truly afraid. It's a coercion, intimidation into power, control. And in opinion, this is like, and this is really done through very violent ways to do that.

Patrick Bet-David
What makes college deans and presidents, what makes them think this is a good idea to push the other side of students out who don't feel safe? What kind of a business model is that? I think they're afraid. A lot of them are afraid. Even the presidents are afraid.

Victoria Spartz
I think a lot of them are afraid. They afraid of very radical people. I mean, truly, I was, it's interesting, I talked to some academia in one of the major colleges that I actually know them. And, you know, and I, we had a conversation actually, you know, for jewish heritage, and I said, you've been tenured academia for such a long time. I mean, couldn't you like, do something about your administration and, you know, try to put pressure on them?

And this is unbelievable that it's happening right now in the top institutions in our country. I mean, it's all, you know, and as a, well, we tried, they're not agreeing. And we were actually offered to have a class on debating different opinions. And they're afraid. They are afraid to approve even courses where we can.

Ecologists should be like debates, deliberation of ideas. It's okay if you believe in Marxists and I believe in Friedman and Hayek and Smith. Let's just deliberate. Let's have healthy conversation. Don't intimidate and curse me.

And they are afraid. So there are some of them, they get in pain, you know, buy a lot of liberal money to promote agenda because we have a lot of media now that paid by organizations for the source to write hit pieces and articles. And I mean, I'm glad that Trump exists. Otherwise they would be just writing about me. I'm joking.

But they write so much crap about me. I hate that. But I think, you know, Trump makes me feel better because no one is doing so much to him, you know, so he gets a lot, much more hit. But have you ever met him? No, I haven't.

I haven't met Soros. I haven't. And amongst your colleagues and peers, how often does he come up name wise? He comes up a lot. And I think, you know, and he's, I think he promote a lot of him.

You know, kind of getting this Obama people. How many congresspeople does he own? Well, I don't know whether he owns or not, but I think he pretty much owned radical wind of Democrat party that took over that party. The big money, he owns them. I'll tell you the big money, because a lot of these people, there are some Democrats probably would be normal people, but they're afraid of big money.

You know, I had some Democrats, honest Democrat, who says, Victoria, you know, like, I cannot survive 5 million primary, you know, and if you're going to go against the grain, you will have a 5 million primary actually facing similar to things. So hopefully I can survive mine. But, you know, you go against your party, you might have big money coming at you. And it's very difficult if you're an honest person, you know. So some of these Democrats are intimidated and then they try to elect very radical people.

So they were able to elect very radical people in their party. That's a majority of their party. And if anyone tried to go against it, they'll put big money. So he funds the big radicals. Yeah, he funds the Democratic Party.

Patrick Bet-David
Find them, place them. Or do they go in and then he sees how radical they are, then he funds them. No, no, they place them. Their primary. And if anyone is going to stick their neck out and actually say something that is not going to go in line or vote not in line, they will primary and take you out.

Victoria Spartz
And I actually know from one congressman, Democrat, because, you know, he says that the only reason he survived is just because a lot of people knew him, but they all go in line. You think there's going to be a black swan event in 2024? Listen, I think in some ways, you know, I think.

Patrick Bet-David
Election is what I'm asking about. I understand what you say, but I think Republicans, we had time to regroup, okay? And I think we need to be smarter. We had time. So I hope Republicans and american people are waking up.

Victoria Spartz
So I think it will be hard, you know, for Democrats, you know, to do what they did in 2020. But I think we can never underestimate our position and their desire at power to take power at any cost in any way. So we just have to get better. We just have to become smarter. And I hope we have better people this year running the campaigns and what's going to happen, because I've seen what they were doing in 2020.

Patrick Bet-David
I want to show you a clip. Rob, can you pull out this clip of the feds protesting and nazi and all this stuff? I don't know if you saw this or not. So here's a clip. Rob, before we play, can you let her know who these people are?

Victoria Spartz
This is the group Patriot Front. And they have been labeled a fascist. And neo nazi hate organization. So now go ahead and play this clip. You can't see their faces.

Patrick Bet-David
They somehow, some way all look in shape. They're all 6ft tall. They look like they're extremely athletic, as if they do something else. Okay, no problem. Rob, go to the picture on the U Haul.

They show up in and how they drop them off, and all of a sudden you see, you know, if you zoom in a little bit, this is them back in 2022. They'll show up in you halls like that with a mask so nobody can see them. If you want to show the other clip of the video of them being arrested, I'm sure you have that one as well. I think I senate. You have it somewhere there.

Watch this clip here. Okay. This is them supposedly getting arrested, and no cop there has asked them to take their masks off so you can see what they look like. Oh, for sure. No cop would ever ask it to show your face.

Okay. All right. Let me read the tweet on what this wall street Spets guy said. If we can, if we can zoom out a little bit so I can read the details. This is supposedly a video of Patriot front members being arrested.

When do police unmask people in custody? When do police not unmask people in custody? Was this perhaps staged by the FBI and police given street cred to Patriot Front? Who knows the reason why I'm showing you this? Today's date is what?

What is today's date? April 29. Do you know when George Floyd happened? In 2020 election. It was May 25 of 2020.

It was roughly five months. Five months and a week before election time. And then the temperature went up and the rest was history. Right. Now, if you have the video of what Blinken said, if you can play the video of what Blinken said, this is my concern, and I'm trying to see what you're going to say about this.

This is Blinken. Go ahead. But we have seen, generally speaking, evidence of attempts to influence and arguably interfere. And we want to make sure that that's cut off as quickly as possible because you care. Of course.

You wouldn't want China to meddle, of course, because we got to find somebody to blame. And even Ray said the following. Ray is somebody you've gone up against before. I think you've gone against both of these guys. But here's Ray.

Ray said the following, saying, FBI director Christopher Wray warns chinese hackers lying in a way to attack us, infrastructure upon us. Now. So there's this thing called predictive programming where, you know, they instill something in us for us to fear about a future thing. Coming up, a movie comes out called Civil War, okay? Which is America being against each other.

Another one came out with Barack Obama, a presidential funding a movie calling leave the world behind, which is quite weird that's going on. There's a sect in America that feels just like you said earlier. Democrats, you got to give them credit because they're more clever than Republicans. They'll do anything at all costs to win. Right?

What's the likelihood of them all of a sudden telling us if chaos get crazy, all these school universities, if it gets crazy, one student gets shot by a copy, two, three say people show up, someone dies, and then all of a sudden, you hear about, you know, claiming civil unrest, okay? And this is what Tom and I were talking about earlier. And all these protesting release to martial law, okay? Then seasonal guns, then if they go to digital currency, do you think the american people have a valid concern to worry about how crazy shit could get the next three to six months? Or are you from the school of thought of saying, no, you don't have anything to worry about?

Everything's going to be normal the next six months? Oh, I don't think anything will be normal. But I'll tell you, you know, we have too much guns and ammunition for them to pull that. You know, I don't think they will be able to do something like what you say. They will try to destabilize.

Victoria Spartz
They use every crisis that sometimes I would truly believe create these crises to promote the agenda. But I think, you know, I still, when I look, look, this is like propaganda 101, what it's used. And the Republicans just have to be smarter. Okay? We know what they're doing at the same.

Like you can, you know what China is going to be doing, you know what Putin is going to be doing. Republicans matter. Well, I don't think Republicans matter. Can I tell you why? Let me push back a little bit, and you can push back with me.

Patrick Bet-David
Let me tell you why. Because RFK came out the other day saying right now we have the biggest independent base, 43%. I've Tulsi Gabbard on last week. We're having a conversation, and Tulsi Gabbard is one of the folks that they're looking at as a possible vp for President Trump. And RFK, you know, he's on the other side.

So I don't think Republicans matter that much because Republicans, they have a civil war going on themselves. I think who matters is independents for independents, they can easily be swayed. They were swayed by the Russia collusion. And you said something very interesting when you were talking to, I think, the FBI. Yeah.

You were talking to Christopher Wray when you said that you guys were slow with Hillary, slow with Biden, slow with everything, but fast with January 6 and fast with Trump. Right? Hey, we gotta, we gotta go. Hey, we gotta go. Court, court, court, court, court.

Why are you so slow with whatever happened with Hillary? Why are you so slow with everything with Hunter Biden? Why are you so slow with all this stuff? Right? So talk to the independent.

The independent can be swayed. The independent can be manipulated. The independent can say, oh, my God, look what's going on. Yes, we should vote for this. You don't worry about that.

Victoria Spartz
Listen, and I completely know what they're doing, but I think american people are waking up. And I think a lot of these independent voters, this is a big part of my district. I have suburban, highly educated voters. My district used to be top 30, highest educated in the country, and only three of them, I believe, was held by Republicans and most of them not by conservatives. So I understand the district.

I'm a suburban model. You know, I understand how they manipulate suburban women, how they do it with suburban men and try to use it. But I think we just have to be, I think they're waking up and see what's happening. People are not as stupid as they think, but I think republicans need to do a better job. We, that's our responsibility to show.

Because I don't think suburban women want this lawlessness. I don't think they want their kids on campuses to be intimidated. They did in 2020. I don't think they, you know, but I think, but I think in a lot of ways they were able to paint it like that's what Trump has created. But I think now they cannot say that it's created by Trump.

What's creating is by lawlessness that Biden is created by open borders, by having people, you know, pretty much be criminals on the streets, not enforcing the law, by anarchy that creating by their schools and kids are not being taught and being, trying to take control of their kids. I think a lot of the suburban voters are waking up and much more, and I think they are not candidates now blaming that that's because of Trump. So we have to do a much better job. I don't underestimate that they will try to use destabilizes. I don't underestimate that this is violence for them.

It's a way to take control. But I don't think our voters are buying it as much as they think. That's why they're not polling it as well. That's why they try to figure out something else. We just need to be better.

Because I think american people are getting tired and that suburban, independent borders, highly educated, they understand that it start coming home to them. It starts hurting their pockets. The inflation, the lawlessness, the criminal activity is becoming. The open borders is becoming, unfortunately, until people start feeling the pain, people not waking up, but I think they're waking up. But we need to do a better job to make sure that we communicate to the voters.

Patrick Bet-David
When's the last time we had martial law? When's the last time we had martial law? Rob, can you look it up? Yeah, you have. So if we have martial law, you don't need martial law nationwide, right?

You only need martial law in the states that matter, that you're voting for. So you can create chaos, you know, structured in a certain sect or location and keep it peaceful. Other places. How many states do we need? It's not that many of them.

Victoria Spartz
Not many. Counties, district. It's counties, right? That we're dealing with counties. That's right.

Patrick Bet-David
So what if we create martial law in certain areas that all of a sudden, certain people can't get out to vote? What if. What if it gets that ugly? What if. Let's just play very dirty.

Let's. Let's be deceptive and dark. Let's be the devil's advocate. Okay? Let's be that you lived in Russia.

You were born in Russia, right? Ukraine, Kiev. You know, I was born in Iran. Guess what? We are experiencing devil's advocate.

What Khomeini did and what his people did to make Iran fall. What if these guys, guys like Soros, they have a meeting and they say, let's put this much money to pay two groups of people to show up three days, four days, five days a month before elections in specific counties and districts that voting matters the most. And you cause and paint a picture of civil unrest and potentially local civil war. Let's just say you can get the actors. There's plenty of actors to hire.

That'll take $2,800 for a week or whatever. People need money, right? If we do that, and everywhere else seems peaceful, but those 3456 areas, absolute chaotic martial law. People can't go to vote. Boom.

Listen, well, we had a fair election. It's just these people on the other side that are the gun owning people. It's just out of control. Three people got shot. My job is to prevent people from dying.

Boom. They win. 2024 again. These are the types of things that no matter what we say, I think the american people are becoming aware. I agree.

I do agree with you that more and more people are becoming aware of what's going on. I agree. I think more and more people are sitting there saying, what the eff is going on here? What are they doing? We've never had this kind of hate.

But never underestimate the power of Hollywood movie making, manipulation with storytelling of how bad things are and how we have to shut it down for the safety of our kids. For the safety of our kids. For the safety of our kids. Because one seven year old, innocent, poor kid, if this happens to gets killed. And because of that.

Do you want your kids? That's why we have Marshalla. Do you want your kids? We want to protect your kids. We care about your kids, Victoria.

We care about your kids. We're doing this for you. We would never do this for us to win the election. We're only doing it because we care about you. See how noble we are?

That's why we're doing it, because we care about you and your kids. And then all of a sudden, the delusional people are like, they're right. They care about my kids. See, that's the part. You lived in a place where a beautiful place turned into a shit show.

I lived in a place where beautiful Iran under the Shah, turned into a shit show. Now we both live in a country that people like you and I, who we can't run for president. You do it your way through Congress. I'm doing it my way through business. We both are kind of concerned to make sure this thing doesn't turn into a shit show.

Because if America turns into a shit show, the rest of the world is going to be like that. Crude. Everybody's crude. Yeah. So, you know, I appreciate you for coming down.

I'll give you the final thoughts before we wrap up. For the audience watching this, I like the fact that even no matter what we talk about, I'm naturally very optimistic. I'm all about future looks bright. But I have two sides to my head. I got two guys sitting here, okay?

Just to kind of paint a picture to you. It's not the devil and the angel for me. It's more the guy that's like, everything's going to be fine. Future looks proud. And I have this other guy that's super paranoid.

Hey, man, you better watch those guys. Be careful what they're gonna do. So I'm always dealing with these two characters that are in my ear talking to me. Right for yourself. Do you believe the future looks bright?

Victoria Spartz
Listen, I truly believe in this Republican and when I go see people on the ground, I understand that people are not that stupid as they think they have an ability to do things and they've been doing a lot of things to brainwash people. But I'll tell you, they're not as brilliant as we think. We just been stupid and we just have to be smarter. We know how they do this one on one stuff. Okay.

We know what they potentially could do, but it's a problematic a little bit what even you said they need to figure out how they can get out there more voters than they need. They don't really want to suppress as much voting. They need to see how they can, you know, this voting by mail and other things. So it's a problematic, right. So we know where they can potentially cause problems.

So we have to be proactive. We have to if the risk exists and affects the risk and they using it like the roadmap is very, it's like I was saying, like FBI. I said you guys are very smart. You know, you make sure that every FBI agent has amnesia. So if you ever come FBI says I don't recall and I don't record, as long as you don't record and don't recall, you know.

So we need to look at their roadmap and where things going to happen and they're going to be just a few states, you know, that matter. I hate to say they're going to be just few counties because, because most counties are controlled by Republican, Republicans are actually, most of them are not going to go and do something like Democrat counties that they were going to do whatever it takes to win elections. We're actually pretty honest people, most of them. I mean we have some bad people in our party, don't get me wrong, but generally people don't run that OpaO at any cost. So they will look at some of these Democrat run counties, look at the legal framework and how they can abuse system and what can they do before and during the election.

Well, we can do the same. We actually brilliant, we're entrepreneur, we're actually innovators. I mean, we can look at things and we know what they're going to do. And if we are not stupid, we're going to think through things, what is going to happen and how we can be more proactive. We just have to be more proactive.

And we haven't been as a party. So I have been pushing on my own party and I don't know if we have new people in RNC. I'm very disappointed how my party is doing. I think, you know, our party needs to be better. But I also truly, when I go and talk to normal Americans, Americans are tired of this B's.

Americans have seen that their government is not serving them. Americans do not want to live on the tyrannical government. You know, I think people being stressed out, we have to do a better job, educated people. And like I probably, I'm the only politician who does town halls in my day in Indiana, the whole state, you know, because I want to have an honest conversation. And when I have honest conversation with american people, even the ones who don't disagree, who disagree with who do disagree, they actually appreciate that we have to have some common sense.

I truly believe that if we have so much innovation and so much things on the ground. But I also think that this innovation now with having podcasts like yours have an ability to communicate directly through social media, not just propaganda on tv, gives us enormous opportunity to bring information to our voters. And that is honestly becoming the only way sometimes because everything is paid to say B's and lies and propaganda. So you have this honest conversation. So I appreciate for people like you are that exist because at least, you know, maybe people agree, maybe disagree, but at least they can hear the truth.

Because when people hear the truth, they can put pressure, you know, and I think that is the challenge, the only challenge I see, the bigger challenge I see how do we educate young people? How do we educate what is the core of our republic? Because people like you and me, you know, grew up on the tyrannical government. I think we would fix, if you and me could be present, we would fix the things quickly just because, just because we know what at stake and we cannot be easily brainwashed. We see where the lies coming and who is telling, you know, how can we teach our children too in the future generations of Americans for them not to believe propaganda, which can be even harder now because so much to really be independent thinker and really be proactive and understand that we are the greatest republic because we have the most freedom and your government have to protect your rights, your rights to life, liberty and property and steal the hell out of us.

That is what does really unite us. You know, we have very different backgrounds and religions and, you know, and countries and heritages, but that is what has make us an american because we believe in fundamental and fun, you know, of our country that was make our country great. And I hope you know, and it is probably my job and, you know, also as a politician to do more of that. Unfortunately, we're too busy, but I'll try to spend as much time as I can to do more of that, especially with younger people. Fantastic.

Patrick Bet-David
Listen, keep fighting the fight. It's great to have you on. I know it's going to be wild the next six months. I think you're going to be very busy the next six months. You're going to have a lot of things to do.

But Congresswoman Victoria Spartz, it's great to have you on. Appreciate you, gang. I believe we have a home team podcast tomorrow, Rob, if I'm not mistaken. We will see you guys tomorrow morning. 09:00 a.m.

Take care, everybody. Bye bye. Bye bye. Thank you for having me.

Victoria Spartz
Thank you for having me.

Rep. Victoria Spartz: Ukraine $95.3 Billion Aid Package, Zelenskyy & Putin | PBD Podcast | Ep. 403

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