Brazil: Corrupt Alexandre de Moraes EXPOSED | Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira

Patrick Bet-David
Don't ask me how we were able to pull this off, but we got four of the most influential, powerful voices in the brazilian communities. Paulo Figueredo. Yes or no, please. This has nothing to do with romance. Yes or no?

Hillary Clinton
Reclaim. I can ask. This is my hearing. The third son of Yair Bolsonaro, Eduardo Bolsonaro. It seems that your father and President.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
Trump have a natural affinity. Yes, my father as Trump, he doesn't follow the politically correctly. So what he thinks, tell people if you are going to like it or not, is up to you. Nicolas Ferreira.

Patrick Bet-David
Gustavo Galler. What's happening in the world today that's not just in Brazil, that totalitarianism is a virus.

All right, so don't ask me how we were able to pull this off, but we got four of the most influential, powerful voices in the brazilian community, specifically on the conservative side, especially at a time like this, with all the stuff that's going on in Brazil, whether you were watching what happened with the elections or the January 8 event in 2023, on my right, he's been on before. Paulo Figueredo. I think I said it right. I got it somewhere close to it. He's been on before.

Probably one of the loudest figures, you know, podcasting, YouTube. You know, your father, I think, was the former grandfather, was a former president of Brazil. And we had this conversation last time you were here. I think it was Rodrigo Constantine, if I'm not mistaken. Right to my left, we have the third son of Yair Bolsonaro, Eduardo Bolsonaro, who became a congressman, maybe the most popular congressman in 2018, if I'm not mistaken, where you have a massive following, loyalty.

People are curious to know what you're doing, but you're also involved in politics yourself, as well, with your father, which is very interesting to see that. And great to have you on. Thank you. Then we have Nicholas Ferreira, which, by the way, I'm trying to see if I can give a good example where in America to make sense to you. So 2022, he wins, getting the most votes.

You guys call it MP, we call it congressman. I think it's, like, relatively close to it. Yeah, it is. Yeah. And this guy's got 18, 19 million followers.

I think you got 11 million on Insta, if I'm not mistaken. You got, like, 5 million on TikTok. You got millions of people following you. You're loud, you're confident, you're assertive, and you're hated by a lot of people on the other side in Brazil. I think it's fair to say and then Gustavo, who we have here, Gaet, is probably the guy that speaks the best English here.

Just so you know. He runs a school in Brazil. I think he started in 2013. 2014. Exactly.

And you're also very good at getting under people's skin, so it's great to have you on as well. It's a very interesting crowd we got here. Thank you. So let me get right into it. My interest, this video podcast is gonna be translated in the language as well, so everybody can watch this.

It'll be all over the place. English as well as, you know, the native language that they speak in Brazil. I wanna start off with this. Last time we were together, I am not heavily involved in the brazilian politics, but I wanna know why and what happened to this guy, if you can pull him up. Alejandre, you guys call him de Morales, I think, right?

Alejandre de Moraes, pull up his picture. So, according to some of the due diligence that we're doing on our end, this guy was a lawyer. He went to a law school. I think later on he wrote a book on law for lawyers that most law schools in Brazil actually use. I think it may even be the most popular book written on laws there.

And he did a lot of good work economically, if I'm not mistaken. He's a conservative. And Fordham, he claims back in the days, economically, he was conservative. He was about backing up the cops to make sure the streets were clean. And all the stuff that was going on were some issues that was happening with him.

And then all of a sudden, something happens, okay? Where you go through a certain phase with him, where he flips from being who he was. Operation Car wash happens. Millions of dollars, if not billions of dollars, are stolen way more. You know, Lula gets the house, the water from property claims, never got it.

Another guy gave $2.1 billion in bribes. I think it's one of the richest people in Brazil. You guys know the name on who he is, what he did, but I want to know about him. How did he go from being a lawyer to getting into different political groups, to all of a sudden becoming the most feared? And possibly some people even call him a dictator in Brazil.

What happened with him? I think Paulo Figueiredo, who lives here in us, can answer better this question. It's hard, I'm telling that, because otherwise, we three here, you have to go back home, and I'm very sorry. So we can get arrested. Depending what we are going to talk here, we can have huge problems over there.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
I'm going to remember when we were together in Brussels in the european parliament, talking about the censorship in Brazil and all of that. When we came back, the federal police report, it was my name there. I'm not sure if yours your name's, but everybody here is under investigation. Just like Elon Musk when Alexandria, when he doesn't like someone, he open investigation against this person. So I think if Paulo.

Nikolas Ferreira
Yeah. For example, Patrick, one day after we spoke to Elon Musk on space, on x, the day after. This is the Mario Nefal Twitter space. Yes, exactly. Does a phenomenal thing.

Thank you, Mario. By the way, he's doing a lot for Brazil, giving us voice. One day after they opened an investigation against me because I called Lula Atif, they. So that that's what they do. Anything that you say that maybe is danger for them, they, like, open an investigation and they try to pressure you, you know.

Patrick Bet-David
Has Brazil always been that way? No. Okay, so when did it flip? That's my interest. What Paula is going to.

When did it flip? Well, so he has a very interesting background. He was never a conservative, but Brazil had, Brazil didn't have conservatives for a long time. We had left and center left. So we had workers party, which was socialist, very old school socialists, and we had a center left.

Paulo Figueiredo
It's more like european social democracy. And Brazil has been alternating between these two parties from, you can say, since my grandfather until his father. Okay. And then his father changed everything. So his background was that he was secretary of security, right?

Patrick Bet-David
Yeah. Safety, public safety in the state of so Paulo. And then he was, when Duma Rousseff was impeached, he was called to be the minister of justice of Duma Rousseff, a vice president that then became president, a gentleman called Michel Themer. So that's. He was appointed by Michel Temer, which was a guy more from the center, to be the justice of the Supreme Court.

Rob, can you pull up Michelle Tamer, please? Keep going. Back then, what's very interesting is that back then, the workers Party asked for him to be impeached. They tried any way they could to avoid him becoming a Supreme Court justice. They really were really heavy against it.

Paulo Figueiredo
But things started changing in 2019. So in 2019, Jair Bolsonaro got. He got elected in 2018. He took office in 2019. And at the same time, Operation Carwash was starting to investigate corruption from the Supreme Court involving some figures from the Supreme Court that include another justice called Gil Mar Mendez and.

Patrick Bet-David
No, no, it was m I c h e l, Michelle Tamer, like Michael Michael. M I c h e l m. E r. Yeah, that's him. Yeah, that's him.

Paulo Figueiredo
Yeah. Okay. This guy is the vice president of. Duma, but he's center. He's in the center.

He's centered. So let's stay real quick there. So in 2019, does anybody in Brazil wake up worrying about Alessandra de Morales? In 2019? I would say most of us, we didn't know.

Nikolas Ferreira
Who was we? No, no. But we. I mean, we. We mostly supported him as a supreme Court justice because we didn't think of him as being a tyrant.

Paulo Figueiredo
We didn't know he was a psychopath. We didn't know about that, actually, because that's the thing about a lot of videos. Him saying that Pete made corruption, that the left made corruption in our country. So there's old videos from him. That's what I'm saying.

Patrick Bet-David
He used to be a conservative. At least he's not conservative, but an opposition against the left, the party. There's something Brazil, we like to say, say the theater of Caesars. For decades, we believed there was a right and a left. But the truth is, like Paulo said, they were both on the left, one more left than the other, with two parties, PT, Workers Party, and PSTB, which is socialist democratic party.

Gustavo Gayer
And what they wanted to do is alternate between them for as long as forever. And this guy, Alexander Dimorais, was part of one of the not so left party. He was a french man frontman for this. But then what happened was that a fluke happened. And because of Internet, because people started saying their mind and debating on the Internet, we were able to elect Bolsonaro.

Bolsonaro in the house of Congress. He was what we call the Bay chocler, the lower rank congressman guy, but because of the Internet, propagated his words, and he spoke exactly what was in our minds, what was stuffed in our minds. And then people started following him. And everywhere he went, we went to our airport, and then thousands of people showed up just to carry him on our shoulders. And the system starts getting worried about that.

Well, wait, wait a second. Who is this guy? Who is this outsider that wants to come in? We already have the next president, and Alejandro Marais was part of the next president's group. But then the fluke happened.

We elected Bolsonaro, very similar to Donald. Trump here, but less money. But Bolsonaro has absolutely zero money. Actually was just usually I say in conservative accounts, that my father did not spend even money, million dollars, during his campaign in 2018. And I'm very conservative.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
I could say I don't know half of that, so. But it was a phenomenon. So let me ask you, has your father ever met him before, like before becoming president? Yes. I don't think so.

Patrick Bet-David
Before becoming president? No, no, no. Okay. Because no one thought he would win Bolsonaro. I mean, the establishment didn't think he was going to.

Paulo Figueiredo
You heard this before. It was less possible than Malay about it. Oh, my God, Bolsonaro, like Bolsonaro is going to be the president. You heard this before. It was a joke.

Exactly. Like, like the difference is that when a lot of people say like Trump, the difference is Trump's been famous for long time, money, tv. Was your father famous in Brazil? No, no. Well, he was famous for being on tv shows.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
Yes, because the raise of my father, it was in the exact moment that the strategy of the left wings was doing encourage the politically correct policies. So my father was accused of being racist, nasist, racist, homophobic, pre running, pre running, pre running. And then my father, he wasn't given that amount of attention for that and start to keep talking his thoughts, that his thinking what he was thinking. And he started to go all around the country because he said, if Juma Josef, who is not smart, and I'll be very polite here, if he got reelected, if she did get reelected as president of Brazil, why not me? So he starts to go all around the country doing some radio shows and tv shows.

Patrick Bet-David
When is this, 18 or 17? This was 1617. He started. So he started talking about his policies that he thinks there's a problem in Brazil in 2016. Yes, in tv, popular shows.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
Yes. Including like shows that were not about politics. One thing is important, a lot of these shows invited him to mock him. To mock him, yes, to mock him. To make fun of him, but the viewer.

Gustavo Gayer
But that's the disconnection there is between the legacy media and the people, the population. Because when we watched him and we saw his words, that's exactly what we think. Beautiful people was making fun and then he was talking with the mess of the people. And there's a nice point, only because the Internet made his voice heard, you know? Yeah.

Nikolas Ferreira
So 2016, people started to go on Facebook, on Instagram, and then people could hear him because all we had were the traditional medias in Brazil that never put him as a good person. Okay, so at that time he's going, he's behind the scenes, no one is even looking, right? He's nothing at this time. 16 1718. You know him.

Patrick Bet-David
You're saying you know him, but he's not front facing. He's behind closed doors. Okay. No threat, no signs of that one time he stole this. That one time he did this.

There's nothing yet. No. Correct. Okay, so what happens 2020 with him now Bolsonaro is the president now he's there, he wins 2019 till 2022. What's happening to him now behind closed doors?

Paulo Figueiredo
So in 2019, when Bolsonaro got elected, at the same time car wash was starting to investigate Supreme Court judges. So in Iraq, Lula hasn't gone to. Jail yet, or he did. He wasn't. He was 520 days in jail.

Patrick Bet-David
Supposed to do ten years, twelve years. Yeah. Yes. But Karwash started to investigate the judiciary at that time. And then the judiciary made something very interesting.

Rob, pull up Operation Carwash. Keep going, please. They made a very, very interesting thing. They decided, well, there's a provision in the Supreme Court bylaws, internal bylaws, saying that if a crime occurs within the premises of the court, we can open an investigation ourselves. It's a court opening investigation.

Paulo Figueiredo
So the US Supreme Court has the same structure. Yes. So they can open an investigation that was thought to investigate, like internal crime. Someone stole something. In the US, for example.

They opened this to investigate who leaked the Roe v. Wade overturn. Okay. But in Brazil, they said, well, if people are saying stuff against us on the Internet, well, the Internet's kind of everywhere, so it's within the premises of the court. So we're going to open an investigation about people trying to slander the Supreme Court.

And then they started censoring articles, including an article from a magazine that pointed out that one of the Supreme Court justices was involved in corruption with one big construction company in Brazil. And they censored that. And that was the beginning of what they called the fake news probe. That's the same probe that was opened in 2019. That's the birth of it.

And it's still open now. We're all being investigated by it for years. For years. Elon Musk is being investigated by this probe. Michael.

He is. Michael Schellenberger is being investigated. Investigated there. Everyone. And they issued measures against.

They sent people to prison. But it's only a probe. It's not a case yet. No one has been charged for five. Years, but have had their houses raided, passports confiscated.

It's interesting to point out that at all the same time, and that's interesting for you. This is what you're talking about. Elon Musk will be investigated over fake news and obstruction in Brazil after Supreme Court order. What's the date on this wrap? Oh, this probably a month ago.

Nikolas Ferreira
Yeah, two weeks ago. Okay, so you're saying this April. Okay, this is a month ago. Okay. While you're saying this, this Alejandro, he's still.

Patrick Bet-David
Is he the puppet master behind closed doors or. Not yet. Well, he became the most powerful man in Brazil by far, because this is, it's an interesting investigation. And what's interesting for us viewers as well is that at the same time, the United States, mostly the left and the deep state, were discussing, well, how do we deal with the Internet problem that Nicholas was talking about? Well, Trump got elected through the Internet and Bolsonaro got elected through the Internet.

Paulo Figueiredo
And then you had the, we also them, several congressmen, the Republican Party changed dramatically because of the Internet. You had Brexit and you had Hungary, and you have all the changes, all these changes around the world. So it was like the establishment started to see what could they do to change it. So that's when you see right now, if you read the censorship industrial complex report from the House Judiciary Committee, you see that the Biden administration was discussing with social media companies how to censor and moderate some type of opinions. Extremists.

And they sent, this is public records. It's not a conspiracy theory. I'm not one of these guys. But they sent FBI officials and Department of Justice officials to have meetings in Brazil with the TSc, trying to explain to them how to, quote, unquote, combat disinformation. That was kind of, that was a.

Patrick Bet-David
When was this? 2019. And this is public records. This is in 2019, pre Biden becoming president. Yes.

Nikolas Ferreira
Yep. Establishment fighting back. The deep state. They. Well, we all know how much Trump suffered from the FBI while he was president.

Paulo Figueiredo
So deep state. That's why they're there. Right. It doesn't matter who wins. They're there anyways.

Patrick Bet-David
Is he now the most powerful man in Brazil? Oh, by far. By far. Feared because he can do whatever he wants. And I'll ask you, you're going to appeal for who?

Eduardo Bolsonaro
There is no one higher than the Supreme Court if they decided something. Everybody's looking, okay, this is not in favor of the constitution. He is, like, not caring. It doesn't matter what the law is saying. He does whatever he wants.

But okay, this is illegal. What can you do? This is the problem. That's why we are here. I'm not happy here debating about internal issues of Brazil, but at least we are alerting our friends here in us and preventing them to do not let this virus, this brazilian virus coming to here.

But this is the hard question. How can we fight back against someone that is doing that in the Supreme Court. Yeah. For example, in the election, in the presidential elections, his dad, Bolsonaro, couldn't do lives on his own home government. Official residence.

Nikolas Ferreira
Yeah, official residence. That happened to Trump as well. Yeah, they did this to Trump. For example, in the election, I made a video saying that Lula, for example, he would legalize abortion. He would legalize the drugs.

And I got a fine, like about $10,000, because I did that. And now we have two women ministers Lula put in the charge, and they support abortion. The Supreme Court started to vote abortion and also drugs. So I was right and I got fined for that. So, yeah, who.

I'm gonna appeal for that. So. Okay, so let's stay on Alessandro de Morales. And I know you guys don't want to stay on it. Cause you're trying to go back to Brazil, and he's not trying to go back to Brazil, but here's the point.

Paulo Figueiredo
I wanted to. Well, yeah, he was. I think I understand what you're trying to get. How did Alejandro Morris get all this power? Who gave it.

Gustavo Gayer
Who gave that power to him? Right, right. So one is who gave it to him? Two, what happened behind closed doors? Is there some cause?

Patrick Bet-David
Sometimes we see somebody, and then you're like, oh, that's the most powerful man in Brazil. And it's really. These are the two people nobody knows about, and they're behind closed doors. Is he the puppet master, or is there another puppet master behind Alejandro de Mo? He is the goon chosen to be the front man to all the absurdities and injustice that's happening in Brazil.

By who? Well, let's get there. Paul can talk about it. Beckoned by others, including the Biden administration. So even there are international forces that are influencing what's happening in Brazil.

Such as what countries we have soros. Well, mainly the US. The US, but international community. All the people that go to Davos and the World Economic Forum. So, for example, the Supreme Court was president.

Paulo Figueiredo
Our supreme Court justices, not Morris, but the president of the court, the chief justice, which Bajozu. He was in Davos this year. And look, it's definitely a global community of a global elite that supports him, but the most support comes from the United States. Let me give you a concrete example. Pull up a Financial Times article from 2023.

It's called the discrete campaign, the US discrete campaign to defend brazilian elections, if I'm not mistaken. Democracy. A democracy or something like that. Okay, it's a Financial Times article, so not a conspiracy. Theory.

What they say in this article is that us top officials. Us top officials. I'm talking about the CIA director, the secretary of defense, the chief commander of the southern Command. The chief general was a lady, I believe. Jake Sullivan, national security advisor.

All of them went to Brazil to threaten public officials, military leaders and politicians to not challenge Morris. Because we were discussing election integrity back then, and every single one of them said, look, if you challenge Morris, who was the president of the superior electoral court in Brazil, if you challenge him, you will face the mighty power of the United States foreign policy. Well, the army, the military. We will stop cooperation with the brazilian military. You guys are going to suffer with embargoes and all sorts of sanctions.

You will be left out of the international community. We'll do with you what we did to Russia. And that was one of the reasons why the institutions in Brazil didn't work. Okay, so here's an article, FBI Soros, on secret police and vast censorship conspiracy in Brazil. That's by David Agapi, a very good investor, investigative journalist.

He works with Michael Schellenberger. He's like his partner in Brazil. Can I read this? Let me know. He was just put in investigation to.

Patrick Bet-David
He was. Agatha, let me read this. Go a little lower up so I can read the form right there, the first two paragraphs. The US government's Federal Bureau of Investigation, Soros and the Supreme Court of Brazil claim to be defenders of free speech and democracy. The mission of the FBI is to uphold the US constitution, whose first Amendment prohibits government limits on freedom of speech.

Soros and his son, Alexander, who runs the Svelotrampic foundation, claims to want open societies where people are free to express their views. And the Supreme Court of Brazil claims to uphold the brazilian constitution commitment to freedom of expression. But now, a months long investigation reveals that the FBI has helped Brazil censor its citizens. The Soros Open Society foundation is spending heavily to promote censorship in Brazil. And Brazil has a secret judicial police force that exists specifically to spy upon and censor people deemed to be spreading false information.

Together, the FBI, Soros and the Supreme Court of Brazil are engaged in a direct result of free speech protection of both the brazilian and US Constitution. Okay, there's your answer. So. So they're getting a. But.

Let me ask another question. You know, sometimes when somebody flips and you look at this person, like, this guy's reasonable, he's good. You don't see him like a weird guy, and all of a sudden, boom. And you realize somebody had something on him. Behind closed doors, the story about the fact that he was linked to the plane crash with the supreme court, you know, the whole justice theory.

And I was like, I don't know if there's story. Was there anything that happened, or was it behind? And maybe, maybe not. Some people say 80% bogus. There's no way there's credibility behind it.

And then you hear about the stories with him being linked to, what do you call it? The primero commando. The capital gang, headquartered in Sao Paulo, started falsely online when he was city secretary of public security. Was he linked to the gang? Was there people that he was supporting?

Was there some of that going on with Alejandro? If they say anything about it, they will immediately go to prison. When they arrive in prison, I will be muted here. I'll be bold enough to do it. I'm gonna be in silence.

Paulo Figueiredo
So he worked. So here's the pc. So there's some credibility here. Well, I'll tell you exactly the facts. I'll just lay down the facts and you make your own conclusions.

So the PCC is the largest drug cartel in Brazil? Well, some. Some can argue one of the largest drug cartels in Brazil. No, it's the number one. Yes, definitely the number one.

Gustavo Gayer
The delivery system for all the drugs that are produced in Latin America goes through PCC. All the cocaine that comes to United States goes through PCC. Yes. Yeah. Yes, absolutely.

Patrick Bet-David
So if it's coming from Colombia, goes to PCC in Brazil first, then it comes up here. Yes. Ships all over the world. They're the distributors. So BCC was being investigated in Brazil, and they found connections between them and the Workers Party.

Paulo Figueiredo
I'm not going to get into that, because that's not necessarily important for this discussion. But BCC was laundering money. Possibly, but one way that they thought they were laundering money was through. Like, a union of public transportation. Yeah, like drivers from vans.

In Brazil, it was very popular that people used to use vans for public transportation. Okay. And there was a union of these vans, van drivers. It was called transcop. And he was the attorney, the defense attorney for one of these unions.

And that's the only connection that we actually have. So I don't usually, if you work for an institution that's related to the drug cartels, that's not a good sign, but that's not definitive to say he's linked to. Was he a lawyer that maybe represented some former criminals before? Cause sometimes lawyers I know lawyers that I've talked to represented Weinstein. We had a lawyer the other day on the podcast.

Patrick Bet-David
It was Diddy's lawyer before Rob. Who else's lawyer? He was? If you remember, it was Harvey Weinstein's. Attorney as well at one point.

Paulo Figueiredo
Several high profile clients, New York. Right. So he was a lawyer like that. And by the way, is there any connection with him and Marcolo Camacho? Is there any relationship between the two with him?

Patrick Bet-David
Playboy Russo, is there anything there? We don't know? So he's saying he's facing 232 years in jail. Okay, Marco, is he in jail right now? Yeah, he is.

He is. And is he the Pablo Escobar of the PCC? A lot of people say that. Yes, he is. Yeah.

Paulo Figueiredo
It's a fair. It's a fair assessment. Yes. And there's no link between the two relationships at all? We can say there is.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
But I can add something. During my father's administration, Makola was transferred to other jail in the middle of the jungle. Let me say that I think he went to Porto Vellion in Rondonia. And when Lula got back again. So now we have Lula as president.

I don't know how, I don't know in what terms, but this guy came back again to Brasilia, to the capital? Yes, I'm talking about the fact. I'm talking about the fact I don't have anything that I can say. Oh, this guy, he made kind of agreement with the new president. I cannot say that.

But it's very strange why they should go back again with one of the head of the number one criminal organization back to Brasilia. But there are definitely connections between the left and the drug cartels. I mean, for example, Lula is part of an organization called the photo de Sao Paulo. Okay? This is the.

Paulo Figueiredo
Basically an union from all the left parties in Latin America. One of the founding members of the foe de Sao Paulo is the FARC, the revolutionary armed Forces of Colombia, who control all the drugs in Colombia until they became a leftist party. But they're founding members. The connections between the left and drug cartels in Brazil are absolutely insane. And here's the thing.

In 2022, we could not report that. We used to get court orders from Marise. I was on tv, on Primetime TV, cable news tv. I wanted to report the connections that Lula had with the drug cartels. And I couldn't buy court orders off Marise.

And all of them turned out to be accurate. There was actually an interception of a phone call between this guy, Mark Kuala, and some other leader of PCC in which he clearly states that he supports and he endorses Lula and he would like Lula to win another leader of PCC, this guy, 2022. This was now 2022. While he's in jail. While he's in jail.

Patrick Bet-David
Who intercepted it? Who intercepted the police? The federal police. So why. Why 2022?

Who's president? Bolsonaro or Bolsonaro? Bolsonaro. Got it. They had, like, dialogues.

Nikolas Ferreira
The audio says that they had dialogues. They could. They could. They could have a. They could debate with them.

Paulo Figueiredo
They could negotiate with them. Not with those government and Bolsonaro, they. Couldn'T go, he said, because with Lula, our lives will be much easier. Everything will be much better for us. Yes.

Gustavo Gayer
And ever. Ever since Lula got. Everybody's heard that every. No, that's the thing. It's an investigation from the police that went public.

I posted it on my social media. Morris took it down. Yeah, Morris took it down. On which platform I think was instagram. Okay, so.

So I cannot put an audio that's public recorded from the police because it was. It was fake news. Brazil will have access to this interview right now on YouTube in Brazil. What percentage? I don't know, maybe 1015 percent.

Patrick Bet-David
1015 percent? Well, all of them will have access. Of course. We will post on our social media, and that will get much bigger. Now, Nicholas porn on his social media and blood.

Gustavo Gayer
But that's the thing. I'm afraid to get these parts that I'm saying to you right now. If I post on my social media, then I can have my house raided by federal police. I totally get it. So, for where I'm going with this is what percentage of, like, today, I posted a tweet, and the question I put on there was, what do you think about Alexandra from Brazil?

Patrick Bet-David
Is he the most powerful man in Brazil? And it is the least liked commented post I've had in a year. Okay. That I posted with this, I don't know whether it's because my audience could care less about Brazil, or maybe it's because the audience is sitting there and certain people who are interested in this don't see it. Right.

Then I went on your platform, and I noticed, no, when you guys tweet, you guys get a lot of traffic. You got a lot of traffic. So means people from Brazil are seeing your stuff. Maybe my audience is not interested right now in what's going on with Brazil because I'm not brazilian. I'm not talking about it.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
I retweeted it. Yeah, I'm gonna. Okay, please, guys, repost it. I just. I'm gonna retweet it right now.

Patrick Bet-David
So what I wanna know is, what I wanna know is I wanna know if. If he is who he is, then you're telling the story of whatever camacho. Whatever his. For Marcolo, I think. Right?

Marcolo Camacho mixed. Marcola Camacho. Okay. And then did Marcola Camacho, who's in jail at the time, is Lula also in jail at the time? In 2022?

Is Lula and jail in jail? No, no, no, no. He was running for president. Was he and Lula ever in jail together? Were they ever at the same jail?

Nikolas Ferreira
No, no, not at the same jail. They've never been at the same. And that's proven. People know that. It's two separate jails.

Paulo Figueiredo
And Lula was not in actual prison. He was like federal police. Has Lula or Marcola in the past ever had a relationship together? Is there any history of the. They are too smart to do that.

Gustavo Gayer
Everything happens behind closed doors, but you gotta be. Lula's been a great community organizer, speaker, rallying. He going up. He's a great speaker. Energized.

Patrick Bet-David
He knows how to get people to say, it's not fair what they're doing to you. He's like an AOC, right? He used to be. Nowadays he has no more audience. What's another weird thing that's happened?

But now he's giving money to them. Socialism. So now he's getting people to be like, hey, this guy's a nice guy. He's giving us money. If you can pull up the statistic number on the kind of money being spent by the government, look at the rise here.

Zoom in a little bit. This is from 2007 to 2029. Look at the number there on the bottom. So it's gradually climbing. Nothing insane.

2021, 2022. Lula goes in. Look at the spending the next year. Boom, boom, skyrocketing. They go up from $700 billion.

They go up $160 billion in spending the next year, 120. Within two years, he goes from 730 billion budget to billion dollars. You're talking about an increase of 300 and whatever, $260 billion that they increased. What do you do with that? I'll give you this, I'll give you that.

More entitlement programs. So you win the votes. This is kind of like Biden right now is trying to give money to all these college and forgiving. It's an effective strategy. But then lead me to this one.

Can you pull up the one when the inauguration of Lula. Right. He's winning. And this man here walks by. You guys obviously know who he is.

I had to look up to see who he is. I know. Yeah. If you don't want to say the name, I can say the name. Benedito Goncalves.

Right now, at the time, who is Benedito? Is he a powerful man? He was a judge from electoral court. He was one of the most important because Brazil has a very weird structure. All elections in Brazil were electronic, fully electronic.

Paulo Figueiredo
We talked about this and centralized by one court, which is the superior electoral court. He runs it. He is at the same time a justice of the Supreme Court. And until next month, he's also, and has been for the past two years, the president, which is like chief justice of the superior electoral court. At the same time.

Gustavo Gayer
This is Morais, not Benedicto Morais. That's Moraes. Benedicto is like his right hand, the second most important guy. He's the cohesador on the superior electoral court. Okay, play this clip.

Patrick Bet-David
So this is inauguration. It's announced. Lula is winning. The man right in the middle, sitting. That's sitting right above the emblem, you see a bald man right there.

That's Moriaz right in the middle. Watch the man. Benedito is gonna walk from the left. He's coming to the right. Play this clip, Rob.

Paulo Figueiredo
Black fat one. He taps the shoulder, whispers something in the ear. Give me something to you. Yeah. Can you play it one more time?

Patrick Bet-David
Listen closely.

I asked some of the friends here that are speak the language. He says, mission accomplished. Mission given. Mission accomplished. Mission given.

Mission accomplished. And he's saying it to Morales? Yes. Let me ask you, is he telling Morales that you gave me the mission, I helped you accomplish the mission? Or is it the other way around?

That Benedicto said, we gave the mission, we accomplished it together? What he's saying is, you gave me a mission and I delivered for you. Yeah. Yeah. So his loyalty is to Morris?

Paulo Figueiredo
We don't know. We don't. You understand the question I'm asking? We can't say. We can't say.

Mission given. Mission accomplished. Who gave the mission? It looks like he's talking to Morris and Moriaz gave the mission. But maybe they're celebrating together.

That they accomplished the mission they received. Patrick, one thing is they never, never came out to explain this phrase. This is the thing. They never came. All we were saying that.

Nikolas Ferreira
We were saying that we are clarifying for everyone. They never said that. So we don't know. There's another justice from the Supreme Court that once said, and it was caught on camera saying, elections are not won. The elections are taken.

Gustavo Gayer
And it's recorded. But if I. That wasn't here. But that's the current chief justice of Brazilian Supreme Court. The same guy that said, we went to a student union meeting.

Patrick Bet-David
You really want to go to Brazil? It's obvious. Go ahead. Yes. He went to a student union meeting, a political meeting, like rally, and he said, we defeated Bolsonarozma.

Paulo Figueiredo
We? Like. Who's we? You were a Supreme court justice. You defeated Bolsonaro.

How can you say that? And nothing happens to you? Who could pull up the chief of. Staff guy you're talking about Chief Justice Luis Bajozu. B a r r o s o.

Gustavo Gayer
You see, Patrick, what happens is that the establishment lost the control of the opinion from the population, and now they are using its last resource, which is the Supreme Court. See, now they are using. They are running our country under a supreme court. The majority of the justices were chosen by the left, by workers party, by Lula. And now they gave Borais all this power for him to be the front man and take Bolsonaro down and take the right wing and conservatives down from politics.

The problem is, and this is what I think everyone is realizing now, Moray has got so much power now he is drunk by it. And they realize they created this monster that they can't control anymore. He has broken the leash, and now he's deciding to do whatever he wants. And since that started happening, even the legacy media that supported his actions are now going back and say, wait, wait, wait. Now I think we're having a Frankenstein event here.

We created a monster. Now we can't control him. Now he's going after us, he's going after everyone. That's what happens when you give too much power to someone. And now we are in the situation that Morales is seen, not only in Brazil, but outside Brazil as a dictatorship.

And I believe strongly that Brazil is no longer a democracy. We are living under dictatorship. And that's why now, Lula, he put like two friends in the supreme Court. One is a friend of him for like, I don't know, 2030 years long. It's called Flavio Gino.

Nikolas Ferreira
He's a friend of Lula. He has a communist. And the other one is Zanin, who was his personal lawyer. So Lula, he indicated the appointed, appointed his personal lawyer to the supreme Court and his best friend to the supreme court as well. So we see this as a balance for the power of Alexander hes now.

Gustavo Gayer
And all the drug dealers and cartel leaders and criminals are being freed. We're seeing not only freedom returning everything they seized helicopters money. His former lawyers succeed as supreme court justice. Yes, yes, yes. He, like, he went to the guy.

Who censored us because of this guy, who. He was his lawyer during the campaign. Yes. He was the one asking Morris to censor us, and Morris accepted censoring us. Because of his demands.

Patrick Bet-David
So can you go back to that other guy? Can you go back to Luis Roberto Barroso? BARROSO right there. So if you look at the right there school, he went to Barroso graduating law from University de Janeiro, a master's degree from Yale University, PhD, post doctor, Harvard Law School. So I am so curious who he went to school with in the states and America.

He's considered a liberal and progressive justice, providing landmark votes on the legalization of abortion and pregnancies originating from rape. He's the most ideological justice of the. Court and criminalization of homophobia and transphobia in Brazil. Yes, yes. He says that if the Congress do not approve a bill talking about that.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
So frona one, everything that we consider, for example, homophobic, it will receive the same punishment for racism. So he said, we have a lack here in the law and the Congress is not working, he says, but I say that the Congress do not want to approve that because no one is going to vote for abortion. And they know that they do not have the majority inside of the Congress. So that's why they are doing that through the Supreme Court, just like what happened in Colombia. In Colombia, now you have legal abortion that came through the hands of the justices of the Supreme Court.

But if I can add something very important about Luis Roberto Barros, before Leshengem Arais, this was the president of the superior electoral court. And when we were inside of the Congress, trying to approve what we call the printed vote bill, which would bring more the possibility to recount the votes, more transparency in our electoral process, he went to the Congress and talked with eleven presidents of political parties and changed their minds. So we. You're being nice. According to a few members of Congress that I talked to, and I can say that they say they were threatened by him.

Paulo Figueiredo
They judge the Supreme Court. They judge, yeah, they're under the Supreme Court, so if they commit a crime, they're gonna be tried in the Supreme Court by the Supreme Court. Okay, so what? And several members of the brazilian Congress have been charged for corruption. They have case spending on the Supreme Court.

According to several reports that I received, and credible reports, he threatened congressmen and leaders of political parties, saying, if you approve this bill, that we created a print receipt for our electromachines you will suffer the consequences in the court. And that happened many times with many other bills. Yes, this year that happened again. And he openly lobbied. That's a fact.

But I have credible reports that he threatened members of Congress. I don't have anything to back that, but I have the sources. Okay, so voting. Let's go back to what you said. What do they define as racism in Brazil?

Gustavo Gayer
Anything they don't like. Give me an example of somebody getting arrested for racism. Like somebody who got arrested for racism. What did they do? I don't recall any case, but it's the same as the US left.

Paulo Figueiredo
For example, I was testifying Congress yesterday or the day before, and I mentioned that George Soros was behind as we saw what was happening in Brazil in a certain way. And then the ranking member of the committee, a Democrat, she said, well, that's anti semitic of you. I was like, what? That's what? Anti semitic.

Patrick Bet-David
That's anti semitic of you to go up against Soros. Yes, because, yes, he actually said that. She said that. So it's on the recording. A 14 year old man helped a Nazi kill Jews, and later on was asked about it in an interview in 60 Minutes, I believe.

And he's like, yeah, it didn't do anything to me. Emotionally. I'm. Didn't bother me, didn't hurt me. I've never been called anti semitic.

Paulo Figueiredo
I meant I've actually more Zionists. I have a case that I just remembered of a racist. That's the thing. I can be arrested for racism. Because during a podcast, we were talking about dictatorship, and I study a lot about education.

Gustavo Gayer
I was saying that every time a country goes under a dictatorship, usually the iq goes down after some generations because there's a collapse in education and they do not let access to information. So every dictatorship is associated somehow. 99%. That's a very good point. Going down with the iq after some generations.

And as I was talking with the guy, the host in the podcast, we were talking about countries that are dictatorships and had their iq going down. I talked about Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea. And then he said, well, or I said, actually, 60 or 56% of all dictatorships in the world are in Africa. So we were talking about dictatorships and how it destroys the iq of that population after some period of time are in Africa. Because I've said that.

Because I've said that in Africa and with less iq, people are less able to run a democracy. I am charged by the Supreme Court now for racism. I can lose my office, your seat, my seat. My seat and I can go to prison. There was no mention about any race whatsoever during the conversation.

But because I gave a statistic information, I can go to prison. Yeah, you're dead. The case is my father was also accused of that, of racism. So your dad now is in Brazil? Yes.

Patrick Bet-David
Can he leave? No. Why can't he leave? Because Alexandra Marais took his passport and he took his. Is this because of the jet ski situation or is this because of.

Paulo Figueiredo
It could be. It's so crazy. When I hear someone about this investigation. For your audience, please. First I ask, imagine what would happen if my family, someone from my family stole $1 from the tax brazilian taxpayer.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
What would happen? As we are not corrupt as they are. They have investigation. They are doing investigation against my family for years, and they do not find nothing to accuse us. They go for that.

So my father was riding a jet ski. This is on the coast of the Sao Paulo state. And he claimed, yeah, he passed by a whale, I don't know, 15 meters, 10 meters from a whale. That's him. I think so.

I think so. But this in Brazil is a crime that, by the law, you can go from two until five years in jail if you disturb the whale. But no one applies this crime because you have a tourist, you know, private boats get the tourists on the beach and go there to the tourists to watch the whales. Bolsonaro was doing pretty much the same thing. He was watching a whale.

And then he was charged. He was under investigation. And one very important thing that we have to highlight is who made the denounce. It is the environmental minister of Lula da Silva. Her name is Marina Silva.

And she tried first, I think the first DA that took the case said, okay, we do not have a crime here. Then she appealed for a second DA, and the second DA started an investigation under federal police. He ordered the federal police to start investigation about this thing. So this was a crime and the. Case was closed, right?

Yeah, the case now is closed, but you have a lot of highlights. And three years, like two years of bullying him and narratives, character assassination. Now the case. Does he have a gag order on him right now? Gag order.

Patrick Bet-David
Can't speak. He can't speak? He can't speak? No, he can. He's allowed.

Gustavo Gayer
He can go to India, but he's afraid to. No, the country has a gag order on it. Oh, there was a poll. Now, 61% of the brazilian population. This is yesterday, right, Paul?

Patrick Bet-David
Right? Yes, there's a poll. 61% of the population are afraid to state their opinions online. 61% of the whole population. Anything they believe, 47%.

Gustavo Gayer
That's two months ago. So probably now is more than 60. 47% believe they are living under a dictatorship of the judiciary. For example, I can be in jail because I put, like, a wig in my head and I said that women are losing space for men that think that they are women. Yeah.

Nikolas Ferreira
And I can be in jail for that. Like, really? I can be in jail. So if a deputy that has immunity to speak can be in jail for that, what a common citizen? What can happen?

Yeah, what can happen to them? So, okay, so Argentina. I go to Argentina a few years ago. I was expecting to fall in love. I was disappointed.

Patrick Bet-David
It wasn't that big of a deal for me. I've been all over the world. Everybody would say Argentina is the Paris of South central America. You're going to go, Argentina's this, Argentina's. I'm like, okay, cool.

We go. They're like, okay, socialism. I kept talking to everybody. 40%, whatever the number was. 40% of people work to pay the other people's bills.

It's really this. All this stuff. Taxes are this. Inflation, is this. They keep telling me all this.

I'm like, okay, how does a beautiful place like this go? Then we went to all the different spots. We went sailing. We did everything we wanted to kind of get the experience. Yeah.

We went to the cemetery with. Who's the famous girl that Salma Hayek played? What's her name? Evita. Evita, right.

Don't cry for me, Argentina. The truth is, I never. She did a better job than me, obviously, but. So I went, Rob, why are you laughing? Rob?

I'm just telling a story here. So, anyways, we leave. Then a year ago, year and a half ago, we're all watching this man that looks like an argentinian Elvis Presley. Big sideburns, screaming, fighting chainsaw. Chainsaw, kissing girls, doing all this stuff, right?

You know? And he throws the thing. The paper. These guys are out. They're out afuera.

Everyone is. And a libertarian candidate wins in Argentina and goes to World Economic Forum. That Klaus Schwab brings him up and for 20 minutes, very slowly and calmly sells capitalism in front of their faces, right? And that thing goes viral all over the world, right? Javier Millet, how did he pull it?

Pull it off? And how do you compare this case study of the modern day Javier Millet type of a person, your father, any one of you in Brazil, how was he able to pull it off in a socialistic country that sounds like Brazil is going through right now, I think. One of the things is the environment was so miserable in Argentina, people were desperate trying to find a way out. That happens every time socialism go into power in a country. They destroy the economy, they destroy the quality of life of the population.

Gustavo Gayer
Then when whatever option appears and appears to be possible, everybody jumps into that boat. So that happened with Javier Melee, that happened with Bolsonaro here. And that happens because of Internet. It might happen in California because. Well, I don't know.

Paulo Figueiredo
But if California keeps going that way, the way he's going, in ten years, they'll say, well, enough with the Democrats. They're ruining the. They're almost there. Yeah, they're almost there. But like almost half of the people, they were poor in Argentina.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
The inflation was around. Below the poverty line. Yeah, below the poverty line. And the inflation was about 100%. And they did try all the flavors of left in the past.

So Millet was rising up as someone that, oh, okay, this guy, he has a different speech and he is a professor. He studied economies, economy, and he really represent the outsider soul. So that's why he got, he got elected. And one thing that make him got elected also is because the Argentina's, they use papers to vote. Their system to vote is not like we have in Brazil, because Brazil is fully electronic and in Argentina they use paper ballots.

So this is also something that made the difference. And by the way, he's doing a great job. Great job. They didn't have more Argentina. They don't have a problem with Supreme Court.

Paulo Figueiredo
Yeah. So let's, let's look at that. So Argentina paper. And you think that was a favor for him, that Argentina's ran on paper election, paper ballot? Because in Brazil, this is how you do it.

You go to the election poll place, you just type the number in a machine. This machine sends the number to the computer of the superior electoral court. And then you pray that your vote will be counted correctly by a court that was presided by Marais, an open enemy of. This is like no exaggeration. There's no way to audit.

And there were a ton of reports, including a report from the military, from the Ministry of defense, saying that the system, they couldn't, they couldn't attest that the system was safe and they couldn't do their job inspecting the machines. So I'm not saying the election was stolen, but I can't say it was not. And I don't trust. So 82%, that's our actual poll. 82% of Bolsonaro's voters don't trust the system in Brazil.

I'm talking about 37% of Brazilians and that there are millions of people. And, Patrick, when we say about the system of Brazil, like to vote, we can't say about that in the elections. My father cannot run because of that. Yes, they can't. You shouldn't say what I just said.

Nikolas Ferreira
Yes, I would say. But for example, my accounts, my social media, they were blocked after the presidential elections. And I think that it's because I shared a guy who was saying that was there was something wrong with our elections. And just because of that, my. All my accounts on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, they were blocked.

And until now, I don't know why. I don't have a sex to the. I don't have access to the process. My lawyer doesn't have access to the process. So that's the level of what we are facing, you know?

Patrick Bet-David
So can you pull up the inflation chart you just showed Rob in Brazil, in Argentina? So you just had it a minute ago? Literally, you had it a minute ago. Or if you go back. Yeah, right there.

So Argentina inflation beats 200% in 2023. So what you're saying is things got. So. So that's from 2018 to 20 19, 20, 20, 20, 21. It drops, like, today, 35, 38%, then goes up 2022, and then all the way up to 23% to 211%.

And then millet wins. Okay. All right, no problem. So now go to inflation in Brazil. I'm curious what inflation looks at in Brazil right now.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
We did great during my father. It was the first time that Brazil, we had less inflation than the United States, for example. And interesting to know, just two years. We need more like, I need more than 2019, but. Okay, so under your father went all the way down to right there.

Patrick Bet-David
We can kind of see. Go back to that. So 2020. So this is inflation broke 10% in September. Pandemic.

Nikolas Ferreira
I think there is a better one down there. It's a red one. It's important to know that the current sitting president of the brazilian central bank. No, no, it's 95. The brazilian central bank, which our Fed is the president, is still the guy that was appointed by Bolsonaro.

Paulo Figueiredo
So they didn't have a chance to mess up with the monetary policy yet. That's a good one. In 2016, it was like Dilma Rousseff that got impeached. Can you see? It's the same as level as we are facing now.

Nikolas Ferreira
And in the middle, guess what Bolsonaro. Like to what years was he in? That's Michelle. The years there is low, the Michelle. Tamer from 2017 until 2020.

Gustavo Gayer
And then. And then we got COVID stuff. Got it? Yeah, got it. Got a pandemic.

Patrick Bet-David
It's everywhere that it went up. It's not like Brazil, only we still. Bounced back from the pandemic better than any other, any other country in the world. We actually had our GPG GDP, GOP GDP, GDP higher than China. And for the first time in my life, Brazil has had an actual lower inflation than the US in my life.

Paulo Figueiredo
That never happened. So it's not. But go to 2024 inflation, Rob, just go 2024 Brazil inflation. It's not out of control. That's what I want to know.

Patrick Bet-David
So it's not that painful right now in Brazil, because just a year and. A half that Lula took office and the guy who is in the central bank is the guy that Bolsonaro chose. He's going to change now in the middle of this year, I think June, right? Because the president chooses the director of. Fed, chairman of the Fed, and stays.

Gustavo Gayer
Two years in one office and two years the next office. So now he's going to be out. And I think that we are going to face higher inflation when changes the position of him. But if you want numbers, for example, 40% of international investment has got out of Brazil. It's just getting out of Brazil.

People are not seeing Brazil as a good place to invest anymore. So we have that now unemployment is going up after years since 2021, unemployment was going down with Bolsonaro. And now for three months in a role in employment is going up now the inflation with food is twice the normal standard. So the inflation is 5%. Food has been going up 10%.

Rice has never been as expensive as it is now. Beans, oil, olive oil. So the people that are the poor people are actually suffering a lot. And there is a, how do you say, humble, when the government spends more than they collect. Well, the deficit, the deficit.

We are having record deficits now. The last year was 200. Well, increase the public spending, public debt and more than a trillion highs in less than a year. In less than a year. And now he's putting taxes on everything that's raising taxes.

And he just passed a bill that Brazil, from this, after this moment, is the higher tax payment, tax paid taxes in the world, which is 28%. So, for example, he doesn't have any responsibility with financial of the country. For example, he spends like 3.3 billion rios I think it's like, I don't know how much this in dollars, but only with expanding for his travels. Like he spends money when the counters, like, need money for a lot of things. He bought new furniture for his palace and new rug for his wife.

Paulo Figueiredo
For his wife. He's a standard socialist, right? All the riches for him and misery for the rest. Rob, do me a favor. Go pull up the richest billionaires in Brazil.

Patrick Bet-David
Go to the richest billionaires in Brazil. Richest billionaires in Brazil. On Wikipedia. You'll see the list if you just pull out whatever list you got right there. Well, you need more than three.

I want. I want to know who the richest. But the second one is important one. Zoom in a little bit. Rob, if these are the names.

Gustavo Gayer
Okay, so Tavrine is from Meta, the guy from Facebook. He used to be a co founder. But it's people that live in Brazil. Brazilians. I want to know richest billionaires in Brazil.

Patrick Bet-David
Billionaires who live in Brazil. That's. I want to know who they are. If you can pull them up. Okay, so I got a Lehman.

Paulo Figueiredo
The first one is our George Soros. Yeah. Okay, zoom in. So, George Paulo Lehman. Who is he?

Our George Soros. He has a foundation. He's buying the whole educational system in Brazil. He interferes directly with all the Ministry of Education. And he funds big part of the leftists political left, NGO's.

He has support all the NGO's in Brazil. From the left. Congresswoman. Very progressive. He supported and financed education in Harvard, I believe, of a congresswoman in Brazil.

He's. Our people call him Brazilian Soros. Who is number three? Marcel. Rob, if you can go to number three.

Patrick Bet-David
Who is Marcel Herman? Tell us, who is this? His business partner. His business partner. Yes.

So they're on the same page? Yes, we know who Eduardo is. He's Facebook. Who is Jorge Mole, Fino or Fijo? Oh, he's the owner of hospital.

Is he respected? Yeah, he's all right. He's good. Okay, go to the next one. Next one is Carlos Alberto C.

Coopera. Also part of the same thing. Anheuser Busch. Yeah, the same. So Safra siblings.

Safra group. Is that more here? Bank. That's a bank. Who are they?

Anything or they're low key billionaires. Nobody knows. Nobody. Okay. Jewish community.

Jewish community. Okay. They're all right. How about Alex Baring? Oh, that partner of the same two guys are Bush.

Paulo Figueiredo
Yeah, it's 3g capital. They own a hazard. Bush and several other companies. That one. Now it's Louisa Elena Tragiano.

Nikolas Ferreira
Like under the one more down. One more down. One more time. Yeah, that's like bigger supporter. She is.

Yes, she is. And now she's about to go bankrupt. Yes, exactly. She helped elect him, and now after he was elected, her shares went down like 90 or 80%. But here's where I'm going with this.

Patrick Bet-David
Why I'm showing you this. The reason why I'm asking you this question is sometimes when you're running into wanting to run for office, become a president, right. Even Biden, I'm going to tax the billionaires. He can't. You know why he can't?

Because they're giving him the money. So if they're funding him, like, if you remember that one thing, Rob, if you can pull up the clip with Trump and Hillary Clinton where he says Trump avoided paying this much taxes, I don't know if you know which one I'm talking about. Trump, you're gonna have a hard time finding it on YouTube. But I'm sorry, on.

If you go to. If you go to some moment debate. Yeah. You'll have an easier time finding it. Hillary Trump.

Hillary Trump taxes debate. Okay, if you. Is that the one? That's the one, yeah. So there's a moment in the debate which I don't know if you guys have seen or not.

There's a moment in the debate in us. So funny. Yeah. Where Hillary Clinton and Trump, they're going back and forth and she asked him, just verify, Rob, real quick if that's the one. If you can fast forward and see if this is when he's saying he didn't pay taxes, he didn't do this, he didn't do that.

And then Trump comes back up and says, that's because. Keep going to see if this is the one. Yeah, I think it's the one that shows that they have more views. Rob Gold to see if that's when he responds. That's the one that Dave Chappelle used on his.

No, that's not the one, Rob. Snl. So there's one. Oh, here it is. It's the one that's 152,000 views.

Does this have 152,000 views? Go to the one. That's 152,000 views, Rob. That makes me smart. Okay, that's where you're at.

How many minutes is this woman? Okay, go to play. I will release my tax returns against my lawyers wishes. When she releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted. As soon as she releases them, I will release.

Donald Trump
I will release my tax returns. So you've got to ask yourself, why won't he release his tax returns? And I think there may be a couple of reasons. First, maybe he's not as rich as he says he is. Second, maybe he's not as charitable as he claims to be.

Hillary Clinton
Third, we don't know all of his business dealings, but we have been told through investigative reporting that he owes about $650 million to Wall street and foreign banks. Or maybe he doesn't want the american people, all of you watching tonight to know that he's paid nothing in federal taxes. Because the only years that anybody has ever seen were a couple of years when he had to turn them over to state authorities when he was trying to get a casino license and they showed he didn't pay any federal income tax. So that makes me smart. That means zero for troops.

Zero. This is not the one. That's why I said, go to the 152,001. It's a top. Right, right, right.

Patrick Bet-David
That's the one. Yeah. So in this scene, what happens is he's saying, she's saying that, hey, you didn't do this. You didn't do that. You didn't do this.

And then he turns around and says the following. Go ahead, Rob. Of course I do. Of course I do. And so do all of her donors.

Gustavo Gayer
You use that $916 million loss to avoid paying personal federal income taxes. Of course I do. Of course I do. And so do all of her donors or most of her donors. I know many of her donors.

Donald Trump
Her donors took massive tax write offs. A lot of my write off was depreciation and other things that Hillary as a senator allowed. And she'll always allow because the people that give her all this money, they want it. That's why. See, I understand the tax code better than anybody that's ever run for president, Hillary Clinton.

And it's extremely complex. Hillary Clinton has friends that want all of these provisions, including they want the carried interest provision, which is very important to Wall street people. But they really want the carried interest provision, which I believe Hillary's leaving. Very interesting why she's leaving carried interest. But I will tell you that, number one, I pay tremendous numbers of taxes.

I absolutely used it, and so did Warren Buffett and so did George Soros and so did many of the other people that Hillary is getting money from. Now, I won't mention their names because they're rich, but they're not famous, so we won't make them famous. Can you say how many years you have avoided paying personal federal income taxes? No, but I pay tax. And I pay federal tax, too.

But I have a write off. A lot of it's depreciation, which is a wonderful charge. I love, depreciation. You know, she's given it to us. Hey, if she had a problem, for 30 years, she's been doing this, Anderson.

Nikolas Ferreira
I say it all the time. She talks about healthcare. Why didn't she do something about it? She talks about taxes. Why didn't she do something about it?

Donald Trump
She doesn't do anything about anything other than talk. With her, it's all talk. You can pause it right here. So watch this. The reason why I'm showing this clip to you is because out of all those billionaires that have the money, if you continuously go the way you're going like this, especially Brazil, generally, it's been a country that we feel safe going.

Patrick Bet-David
This is a new thing that this is going on with Brazil. Nobody was expecting something like this to happen in Brazil. Aren't the billionaires, out of all those billionaires, how many of them are against Lula and Moriaz? That they're saying something, that this is going to affect the economy, they're not going to allow this to continue. Who is voicing their opinions of the billionaires?

Eduardo Bolsonaro
Who is voicing the opinion of the. Who's saying things? Which one of the billionaires are saying, hey, we may need to go a different direction. Any one of these guys vocal? There's an investment group called Faria Lima.

Yeah. And they are the ones that are being more vocalized. They helped elect Lula, they favored Lula, but now they understood that they made a mess, they made a mistake, or they are pretending that they are being deceived. But what they're saying is, well, this is not what we had agreed. This is not going what we agreed upon the deal, and things are starting to look bad.

Gustavo Gayer
But that's the only thing that I can think of. Actually, it's very interesting because today there's. The Stato de Sao Paulo is a big newspaper in Brazil, and they represent most of the establishment of so Paulo, the rich people. And it's more centered in Sao Paulo. Okay, so there's a big article called Aficia Caillou.

Paulo Figueiredo
I don't know how to translate this, but it means they finally got it. People's realizing. Yes. That means the coin fell inside the machine. Yep.

That's what the machines and what he's talking about is one of the most important asset managers in Brazil. If you can pull up fundu vergy assets. Vergy means green asset asset management. He's one of the most important guys in the country. His name is Stolberg.

And not verje Verde with a D, with V as in del Rde. Yes. And these guys are huge. They're like our. Almost like our blackrock, in a sense.

And the guy is saying that he's finally saying that he regret supporting Lula. Who's saying it? Who's the guy? Stolberg. That's one of the most important guys.

Patrick Bet-David
What's happened to since he's been Vogel? Luis. Luis Stolberg. Stober. How do you spell that?

It's tough. You're gonna have a hard time with that. I found it. I'll send it to rob. I'll text it to you on who it is.

Is extremely complicated spelling, but I'm sending it to you right now. Okay, so. Okay, so he says that he made a big mistake, regrets it. Yes. And there's this editorial piece on Estadao saying that the newspaper saying that the fish, meaning the money people, realize that they made a bad choice with Lula.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
I think they thought that they could control Lula. But Lula is doing everything that they did in the past. The difference is we don't have that much amount of cash or possibilities to increase the credit for the people. Because when Lula was president, in the beginning, from 2002 until 2010, we were having the. China was buying everything, minerals, all the soft commodities we produce.

So Lula was lucky at that time. But now, after the pandemic, he doesn't have that margin to work again with a sustainable lease and all of that. So what basically he's doing, he's spending the money as crazy. Because left wing people, they do believe that the administration, the government is their responsibility to generate jobs, not the private sector. So they are increasing the taxes, getting the money, spending more money than what they are getting.

Stuff has no humble. Creating a zapfish, creating a big, huge deficit. Let me ask you a question. Who's the second most powerful person in Brazil behind the conservative movement? Second most powerful?

Patrick Bet-David
Your father's the most powerful. Who's the second most powerful? Hard to say. It's very centralized in Bolsonaro now. Then you have the second level.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
Let me say you have some government. Eduardo could. I would say, well, there's the Nicholas. The governor of so Paulo is. Is very powerful, but it's not in conservative.

Gustavo Gayer
When he. He was supported by Bolsonaro. He's in Bolsonaro's party, but he's not super conservative. Speaker one who's the most famous, famous person that's not happy with what's going on in Brazil. Famous person, celebrity that's not happy with what's going on in Brazil celebrity athlete.

Patrick Bet-David
I'm talking Luciano. Actor, actress. Actor. Like, what's. Gustavo?

Nikolas Ferreira
Gustav Lima is a famous singer. He doesn't support Lula Neymar. Neymar. Neymar. Also like Neymar in the 2022 elections, like, he supported Bolsonaro and he got a lot of hate because of that.

But he was very courier courage about it. He had a lot of courage. But Neymar, he has balls. Yeah, he does. He do have.

I was with him, like, when he was in PSG, and I talked to him about Bolsonaro, and he says he's very grateful because Bolsonaro supported him when he was accused for. I'm fairly accused for women and stuff like that. Yes, exactly. And Bolsonaro posted on the social media supporting him, and he was very grateful for Bolsonaro. So how's your father doing right now?

Patrick Bet-David
How are things with him? I mean, he's in the hospital, but he's recovering very, very good, because after the stab that he received during the 2018 campaign, by the way, it. He was stabbed by a former member of the Socialism and Liberty party, which is extremely left in Brazil. He was stabbed four times, I think. Right?

Or what? Was he got stabbed a few times? No, no, no. He got stabbed only once. But the guy twisted the knife.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
The knife got into his belly. 15. He literally almost died, like, for one or two minutes more. If they delay to go to the hospital, he would be dead out of blood because he died twice because the heart was starting to be out of blood. He lost more than two liters of blood on the way to the hospital.

And it was a miracle. It was a miracle. There is no other answer for that. How is he doing now? So now he had a problem in the intestine that time after time.

He can face that. He can have this problem, obstruction. And then he had to go to the hospital and receive a special feeding by the nose. And he's responding very good with this treatment. So I expect that tomorrow, maybe after tomorrow, he can go back home and he's running all the country.

If you have the possibility to show some of the images of the crowd, for example, in so Paulo at the Paulista Avenue Rayleigh, or in the Copacabana beach rally that we had it like, the. 25 February is going to be better, right? Yeah, 25 February. It's the most recent protest that we made because this is, this is a long time. Let me see.

No, no, no. This not maybe that Copacabana, right? There was Copacabana last month. Yeah. Show that first is where Copacabana de Janeiro on the beach.

Gustavo Gayer
More than a hundred. More than a hundred thousand. But this is what. This was the beginning. This was the beginning.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
There was no one on the truck. No one on the truck. That was before Trump. Bolsonaro went up. If you search the 25 january Bolsonaro, it's gonna be a.

Paulo Figueiredo
Was it January? Not February? February. Sorry. February 25.

Patrick Bet-David
February, yeah, February 25. Or if you follow me on social media, bolsonaro sp? Do it. Yeah, bolsonaro sp. So you posted the video?

Gustavo Gayer
No, that's. Oh, yeah, that's it. That's 1 million people on Avenida paulist. February 2 months ago. Two months ago.

And I mean, bolsonaro is more popular than Lula Farfari. My million people going to the streets to support a guy who is ineligible, who cannot run for elections. Yep. Has passports suspended, who can go to prison. This is February 25.

Nikolas Ferreira
Yes, yes. And it's hit the volume, Rob. Oh, my God. What street is this? And I did the police.

Gustavo Gayer
It's a main street. And I have to add that people there, they are, you, everybody. Are you kidding me? They are fret going before. It's ten blocks of people like that.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
Yeah, before. Before they go to the streets. The left wing in the congress, they start to fret people. Oh, yeah. Hey, you right wing.

If you're going back to the switch to support Bolsonaro, we are going to be in jail just like the people that went through the January 8 in 2023, as they are in jail now. So it was a big threat. People is under censorship. And still they did go there. It shows that people still mobilize it.

Gustavo Gayer
I'm proud of these people. For example, J. Bolsonaro is more popular than our current president, Lula. It's the first. You are more popular than our current president.

Nikolas Ferreira
Seriously. It's the first time that Bolsonaro always say that. It's the first time that Brazil has a president without people. A team can win a championship without. Cheerleaders, without rooters, routers, but it's the.

First time that we have a president without people on the streets. You're nine. You're born in 96. Yeah, I'm 25. 27 years old.

Patrick Bet-David
You're 27 years old? Yes, I am. With 18 million followers. Now. This guy is a political phenomenon that.

Nikolas Ferreira
It'S bigger than when you. When you add all of them together. Yeah, when we add TikTok, Instagram, YouTube is more than 21 million. 21 million followers at 27 years old. Yeah.

Gustavo Gayer
Only talking about politics. Let me ask you, what are your long term aspirations. Do you have any plans of one day running? Like, I'm sure everybody talks about one day running. Yeah, I know everybody talks about that.

Nikolas Ferreira
But I think that I have a mission right now in the Congress, and I think that we need to put our feet in the ground and see that there is a long path to run and to work. I know that I'm very young. I know there's a lot of responsibilities. And one day, Jair Bolsonaro said to us in a private renewal, and he said, oh, so do you want to be like a president? You're gonna like.

It's bad thing. You're gonna get hard life. Hard life. Yeah. Yes.

Patrick Bet-David
This is the same language. It's a universal language. So you go, you know, and it. Was like, no, no, boss. I always talk to me like that.

Nikolas Ferreira
So stay. Stay humble, be calm, because everything has the time. Take your time around your phone. You got a kid? Yeah, I do have a kid.

It's like two months daughter. Congratulations. Yeah, she has two months. I want to have, like, seven kids. Good.

Patrick Bet-David
I love it. I would have 20 if I, if. And he's unbelievable, Patrick. He's unbelievable. He's a very.

Paulo Figueiredo
I can tell he's a very. Because I know him and I met him before he was in Congress. He's a very good person with good moral values, very christian. And he follows what he believes, truly, which is very rare with politicians at that age. So he's one of a kind.

He's definitely one of a kind. It's very hard to handle fame, sudden fame at a young age. Most people don't know how to handle it. Very hard to handle it. Sudden fame.

Patrick Bet-David
And you need the right people. More importantly, you need to be raised on the right values and principles. I'm sure your parents did a great job with you, the environment you were in. I don't know the story of your parents, but that doesn't happen accidentally. That's years of right now.

Nikolas Ferreira
But Petrarch, I think one thing that helped me is because I came from like, a favela, a poor neighborhood. Yeah. In Brazil, it's called Cabana. Cabana du Paitomas. It's the name of it.

And, yeah, my father and my mom, they came from a very poor family. And I still there. My church is still there. I go to the church. I play drums there.

So, yeah, I keep, I keep my, my, my life as the way I live it before, I think. Play soccer. Yeah, I play soccer there, and I really do play soccer. Your favorite soccer of all time. That's a 27.

Patrick Bet-David
Okay, all Neymar, Pele, Messi, who's gonna go? Okay, Neymar, I love you, but. But I think that the great offs of all time that came to the. To the top, I think is Ronald Diem. Really?

Oh, you put Ronaldinho. Ronaldinho? Which one? Ronald. Ronaldinho?

Gustavo Gayer
Yeah. Footwork. Ronaldinho, the fun. Yeah. I think that he has the most beautiful football.

Nikolas Ferreira
He came to the top, but I think that, for example, likable. Yeah. So handsome. Yeah. He.

Patrick Bet-David
Whenever you see his relationship with Messi, it's beautiful when you see the relationship with him play the role of an older brother. When he comes, he hugs, you know? And like, Ronaldinho was in jail when he played a championship there, you know? Like everyone likes him when he was in prison. Yeah.

Why did he go to jail? What was the reason? Passport in Paraguay. But I think it's always his fault someone did. But yeah, I already like to have a lot of fun as well.

I heard he's a pretty fun guy as well, you know? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Anyway, that's it.

Nikolas Ferreira
I think that's the. I can say that is the secret. I think you need to see the reality. Like always. My dream was to have a family.

So I do have now, like my wife. I love so much my wife, because I can't talk about my baby and not talk about my wife, right? I've always done very wise man. And one thing for sure, in my university I studied five years of law. I'm graduating law in these five years, like a conservative young boy or girl who studies in university in Brazil.

It's so hostile that you can say that you are against abortion. You can say that you are against transgender in sports. You only. You can say that when you go in the streets. How do people treat you in the streets when you go shopping?

No, they treat very well. They're respectful to you. You don't get a lot of hate? No, I don't. Because I think that all the leftists are.

They are very cowards. Look, they're only brave in the Internet. Yeah, they shout a lot, but they are very coward. And this is something interesting. This happens to Eduardo as well.

Gustavo Gayer
Whenever I'm with him and we walk in the. Anywhere we go, people want to take pictures and they go to him and say, please don't give up. You are our home. I'm praying for you. I.

When I go out, the same thing in my city, the same things. That's why we don't give up. Because even though there are a lot of. There might be a lot of hate from the legacy media and some bubbles of idiocracy. The idiots.

When we go to this, to the real world, what we see is just love and support and people wanting us to keep fighting, to keep defending them. And this is something that we have to highlight because sometimes people imagine that, oh, for every picture that we take, I hate, I hate her. Come and talk bad things to us and no, no, no. I can tell you like every 5000 pictures or 10,000 pictures that we take, one guy cross to you, and when he's a bit far away, he starts. To say, oh, fascist, fascist, I'm a phobic.

Nikolas Ferreira
And he was. So that's what they say. So going back to you. So all of you guys here, what do you think's gonna happen now with your pops, right? Because your father is loved, he's admired and he's hated by the opposition, right?

Patrick Bet-David
What's next for him? The strategy they're taking with your father? There's a difference between him and your dad and Trump here. Trump, they're giving him a gag order where he can't speak, right? Every time he speaks, they're fining him $1,000.

$1,000. A even yesterday, Rob, Mayor Adams said what he said, that we are very ready in New York, that if he goes to jail, we're ready for him. If he goes to jail, they're ready to put this man in jail, which I think if they put him in jail, it's gonna be terrible for them. It's gonna be great for Trump. It's gonna be horrible for them.

Every time they do something to him, he wins. But Trump's got a few billion dollars. Trump's got money. Trump's got some of the stuff that's going on with them. Your dad doesn't have money to be able to go out there and do it.

So how is he able to get his message out there? Their goal is to silence your father. How do you fight against that? That is a very good question. I mean, there are some issues that you cannot talk in Brazil.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
For example, the electoral process. You cannot talk about that. But still, he's going all the way around, all over the country, raising up his flags, our conservative flags now. God, patriot family and freedom. And we have a strategy to overturn inside of the electoral court next year.

Because the superior electoral court in Brazil is formed by seven judges. Three of these judges, they come from the supreme court. So next year, these three judges, from the justices, from the Supreme Court, that will be part of the electoral court. Two were the guys that were appointed by my father, which does not mean that they are going to do everything in favor of my father, which means. That, well, actually, they have been supporting the price, almost a lot of stuff.

But anyway, what I'm going to say is we will have next year a way more balanced electoral court than the current electoral court that we have chaired by Alexandri Morris. So maybe on the next year, we can overturn the ineligibility that my father. Is having now, the eligibility that our father has now. Yeah. And if we can overturn that, my father can run on 2026.

Patrick Bet-David
You're saying we as Congress, we as Bolsonaro, support. It's very. I'm not, I'm not going to lie to you. This is a very unlikey. Yeah.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
Very unlikely. I mean, but we have unlikely because establishment not like. So what's your strategy? What's your strategy? Well, if Bolsonaro doesn't run, he can run, and he's even better.

Patrick Bet-David
Really? So if he doesn't run, you can run. He can. Thank you, Paulo. Well, I think you're better.

Paulo Figueiredo
I like your father. I like him personally, but you're better than him and worse for the left. I'm sorry. I have to say, I'm very blunt. So this is, by the way, Elon Musk just tweeted this a couple hours ago.

Patrick Bet-David
Given the terrible flooding in Rio, Starlink will donate thousand terminals to emergency responders and make usage of all terminals in the region free until the region has recovered. I hope the best for people of Brazil. I think this is in response to a video that was posted by. Is that who I think it is? That she posts a video saying.

Saying what? She's from my home state in Rio Grande du Sault. Southern Brazil has had the worst tragedy in its history. Heavy rains flooded entire towns in most part of the state. Is not one or two cities.

Giselle Bündchen
Is more than 350 cities affected. People are not only losing their houses, their jobs, they're losing everything. And there are many still to be rescued. Nobody was ready for such devastation. Towns are isolated.

Roads and bridges were destroyed. People have no electricity, no clean water to drink. This is going on right now. Many have been separated from their loved ones. And the sad is that many lives were lost.

It's painful. It's heartbreaking. So please join me in trying to help make donations and help in any way that you can. Thank you so much. Okay, you can pause that.

Patrick Bet-David
So let me ask you, she's such. A good person, Giselle. I love the fact that Ilan is going out of his way to send a thousand terminals to them. So if the people in Brazil don't have access to Internet, and if they do, the Internet can block whatever sites that they're not allowed to go into Brazil, they can block x, they can block certain websites. Right.

How important is what he's doing right now for the people that maybe don't have access to VPN? How important is this? Look, I'm asking, I'm in a conversation with a lot of people that are helping Hugh Grange du Su right now. And the Internet is so important because you can communicate. You can say where to put water, where to rescue people.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
You can be rescued. Yeah, you can rescue people. So starting, actually, it's an interesting point. The socialists and liberty parties in Brazil, they tried to banish Starlink from Brazil, like one month ago, after Elon Musk started to say about free speech in Brazil, this party, socialist party, said that Starlink should be banished from Brazil because he was, like, helping the right wing conservatives in Brazil. They're crazy.

Paulo Figueiredo
They have this concern that they can't block Starlink as they have been blocking everything else. So they don't want Starlink to become popular in Brazil because satellites, there's nothing they can do. But in this case, it's a problem because everybody's talking about what's happening in the south of the country. And Elon Musk decided to help. And this is very helpful.

Nikolas Ferreira
Yeah. And before of him posted it that he was giving like 1000 Starlink unities, there was an institute called instituto coup to Ralph Lauresta in Rio, Grange du Sault Lev NGO. Yeah, that bought. No, they bought, like, I don't know, it was 25 or 50 of these starlings that they were already helping people with the Internet. So before Elon Musk give this, people were receiving helping from the Starlink Internet, so.

And they saved, like a lot of people rescuing, giving food, giving water. These people will be with no infrastructure for a long time. Yep. So this will be the only way that they will be able to connect basic infrastructure, service and governmental agencies and all that. This is going to take a long time to fix.

Paulo Figueiredo
This is like Katrina in the US. Something interesting about this disaster that's happening in Brazil, which kind of like, connects to the censorship that's happening there, the total incompetence of the government to react. So it took four days for the government to start reacting. Uruguay wanted to help with some ships and boats and air helicopters, and our government rejected. And then there was a minister saying that they were not going to send any money yet, because the mayors were not sending their demands, which is a lie.

Gustavo Gayer
And then people started organizing by themselves to send supplies, clean water, toilet paper, everything there by trucks. And the government, the federal government was stopping these trucks and giving them fines because they didn't have overweight receipt or it was overweight driver's license. The institution responsible for medicine was not letting the medicine get there. So what happened is that we started denouncing that. We started posting on our social media that the government was not only not helping, but it was blocking the help.

Blocking help to get there. Right? So what did the government did again? They sued us. We are now all under investigation because we are posting what the people from there are saying.

The biggest mainstream media, our CNN, as you can say, this global news, posted it. It was a lie that the trucks were being stopped by checkpoints and being fined, right? And that the secretary of communications from the government said it was a lying. It would put the Fed, the safety Supreme Court, to investigate Bolsonar, to investigate me, and it was everybody. But then another network, which is the second biggest one, SBT, posted the video of the trucks being fined and the Ant T, the agency of national Transportation, stopping trucks with full of rice and mattresses and medicine, finding them and fining them because they didn't have a receipt or because they were overweight.

So now we are being. We are being persecuted. We are being. No, no. Some of us are being put under investigation by the Supreme Court for saying the truth.

Even when the truth has been unveiled, even when the globe has been exposed as saying a lie, we're still under investigation. So, going back to the beginning of our conversation, Brazil is not on democracy anymore. Have free speech, and if you see anything that shows how incompetent the government is, you can go to prison.

Patrick Bet-David
Who is the neighboring country that you have a good relationship with that can help you? That's against what's going on today. Argentina now. Argentina now because of Malay, which makes sense, I'm assuming. Maduro.

You know, Venezuela. How about one? What was the other? Guido or one petro? Colombia.

No, Colombia. The guy. Naive. Bokeh. No, the guy that was running against.

Nicolas joined Maduro's camp, though, right? So he's gone. There's nothing really going on there. I don't know. Okay, got it.

And then what's the other one? You said. You said one other name. Who is that? I know, but who is the.

Are they for, like, are they. Their way of thinking is what it's not. It's dream left, right. Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay. Ecuador from Uruguay.

Right. Luis Suarez. Yes. Luis Suarez is la Calipo. He's center, right?

Eduardo Bolsonaro
I can say he's center right. Okay, got it. Yeah. I'm just trying to think right now, like who? You know, sometimes neighbors who don't want to see what's going on in a country will contribute and try to help to the best of their abilities.

Patrick Bet-David
What's Millet doing? What's is Millet at all talking about Brazil or not at all? Yes. He even through his chancellor, Diana Montino, she tweeted offering asylum for the ex employees that were in Brazil. Because Elon Musk was even answering Nicolas Ferreira, saying that when all the ex employees, when they were in a safe place, Elon Musk would release more information about what is going on in this relation with Alexandri Gimorai.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
So this is one point. He's in favor of the free speech and he's helping doing that. And now, during the floods that we have in the south of Brazil, he also offered some structures, helicopters, if I'm not wrong, some boats. And I'm not sure if the federal government, if Lula da Silva accept. Did accept that.

I'm not sure. But Uruguay was also offering some help. I'm just chatting here. Yes, Argentina offered help. It's in the screen over there.

Gustavo Gayer
I saw Gazeta. Which one? No, it's not there. Argentina offers help to Brazil. But I say here, Gazette offer only photos.

Nikolas Ferreira
Sorry. Argentina offers up to Brazil. So in favor of free speech, Milli. Is doing airplane, helicopters, boats and all that. Yeah.

Paulo Figueiredo
So he's not in the US. How does Lula feel about. He refused this? He refused. He denied help from Uruguay.

Gustavo Gayer
Something. Another scandal. So Uruguay wanted to help. Lula said, no, you're not gonna help. We don't want anything.

People are dying. You saw the situation, how it is. You have people sleeping on the roof. People is sleeping on the roof. Would he say, no, we don't want your help?

Nikolas Ferreira
Yeah, that's it. And then after he said that it was fake news, but the same editorial, the same news said that it's fake news, that he is saying that is fake news. One of our congressmen, myself and hardy. It's crazy. One of our congressmen, Marcel Van Hattie, actually went and talked to Uruguay.

Gustavo Gayer
Ambassador. Ambassador. Asking what happened. Did you guys actually offer some help? Yes, we did.

Lula denied. Lula said no. Because, look, fake news is an actual problem. There are a lot of people spreading false information all over the Internet. We had problems with that in the US, and there's problems with that in Brazil as well.

Paulo Figueiredo
But in real life, there's no solutions, only trade offs. Like Thomas so used to say, right? So the problem is, who defines what are the fake news? Who decides that? And the moment that Brazil started to have a justice punishing everyone that was spreading misinformation or whatever, now the federal government in Brazil is saying, well, we think this is misinformation as well.

So they're deciding that any speech that they dislike, it's called misinformation. So, yes, fake news is a problem, but you don't fix it with censorship. And the western world realized that. It took a long time for people to realize that the only antidote against fake news is more real news and free market of ideas and public debate. So right now, what they're feeling and what's happening, this strategy in Brazil is the government is simply stopping any criticism against them, saying it's fake, for example.

Nikolas Ferreira
So it's the ministry of truth that's really important. In 2022 elections, the supreme electoral Court denied to put in Internet wherever associating Lula to Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua. Like, they prohibit this, the dictator, anyone that posted this on Internet, they got a fine or the accounts were blocked. Okay, another thing that we couldn't say that there was a relationship with criminal organizations in Lula, even though there was a. That recorded the recording audio that we said here before.

So now Lula received Maduro in Brazil. Now, Lula, it's for like, reestablish full relationship. Yeah, he has a full relationship not only with Venezuela, but Nicaragua also. So the important question is, who from the left in Brazil is being sued or fined because of fake news? Anyone?

Paulo Figueiredo
No one. Any congressman, any congresswoman? You don't have journalists from the left, they are being fined because of fake news. Only conservatives. That's like the problem with this, is this.

Patrick Bet-David
So your House Congress MP, how many is left? How many is right? What's the split? 130 left. 130 right.

Paulo Figueiredo
And the rest in the middle. Physiological. 100 is right and the other 400 is center. Divided with center and left wing. But the left has a run.

100 as well. Mostly hard left. Hard left. The center in Brazil, they decide. They run the show, but they have price tag.

Nikolas Ferreira
Yeah, really? They have price tag. But the center in Brazil means corruption. We don't buy the left buys the center. So the center votes with them.

So the problem is. But it's a great thing, okay? Because back in the nineties, and there was 2002, that was two, his dad and another one, for example. Now, I know that's not the ideal world, but it's more than we ever had. And these guys are great.

Paulo Figueiredo
I mean, really, I've known a lot of politicians in the US and in Brazil, and you have here three of our best guys. Geyer's a very, very good person as well. I met him when he was a podcaster. Okay? That's his background.

He has an english code, but he was a podcaster as well, because I already said too many things about you, but you deserve them. And Eduardo Bolsonaro, he's one of the most humble Dartworth person that I've ever met. Although he's the son of a president. Yeah. Yeah.

Patrick Bet-David
So. And it's consensual if you. In Congress, you know, a lot of disputes and political disputes in Congress, same as here. You see, on the right, people have their own vanities, and they disagree with each other. Everybody likes Eduardo.

Left, right, center. They like them. Right, no, left. Well, who does the left like? But even the center likes it.

Nikolas Ferreira
It's not important only who supports you, but who doesn't support you. My point being, we have the best Congress we ever had in Brazil for conservatives. Until it's not the ideal. We can't do much because we know that there's a lot of centralized power, but we can. Like.

We can not too much, but we can speak. We can open the eyes of the people. Like. Yeah, the. 25 February.

Gustavo Gayer
We became a danger. We became a danger to the exposed. Well, they're here doing Brazil. Yeah. We can expose at risk, but we can.

I know. We all know we are at certain. Worse than they can do to just arrest. Daniel Silver, congressman, nine years in prison for recording a video harshly criticizing Morris. He's serving now in general population in Rio.

Patrick Bet-David
Look, what's the worst thing he said in that video, speaker one? I really don't know. But look, it was a hard speech, okay? I've really hard speech. Bad words.

Paulo Figueiredo
Yeah, bad words. People, like, disagree with. With him, even from the right, everyone's. But it doesn't mean anything because you can't get arrested in the worst jail, one of the worst jails in Brazil. Okay, well, like, of the most criminal.

Drug dealers in Brazil, from Rio. Okay. The bad. The worst prison that I was in my life was Bangu. That is the place that he is right now.

Nikolas Ferreira
And he's in jail because of opinion. In prison. This guy? Yes. Yeah, this guy.

Patrick Bet-David
Zoom in. Yeah. He was a police officer as well before becoming a congressman. Yeah. You were sending a police officer to a prison in Rio with drug dealers.

Paulo Figueiredo
How interesting, how good that can be. It's not that, it's not the end. Because when he went to jail, my father, he was the president at that time and my father gave to this guy the presidential pardon. So when my father, when he did not get reelect the Supreme Court get a case and they cancelled for the first time in the history of Brazil, the presidential pardon and sent back again Daniel Suvaire to the prison. He was in the prison waiting for judgment.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
All right, so he was released and then he was convicted for almost nine years in prison. You know the former prosecutor of Lula, the guy that comes. The former lawyer. No, the prosecutor of Lula. Okay, the guy that was car wash chief.

Gustavo Gayer
The prosecutor of the car wash chief prosecutor. Yes, the guy who sent Lula to prison, right. He left the Department of Justice and he ran for Congress. He was the most voted congressman in the states, Parana. He lost his seat by order of Morise.

Patrick Bet-David
But by what? By Morris. Order of Morris sports Alishand of the lecture. Wait, wait, he lost. Well, you should be able.

Gustavo Gayer
He can do anything. Moriaz can do whatever he wants. Wow. Whatever. So now you might be wondering right now, say, how is it possible that one guy does all that and no one is there to contest it?

Well, we have the Senate. The Senate is the only house that would have power to go against, to judge, to impeach a guy like Morris. But if the Senate starts moving in that direction, certain phone calls start happening and they go like, okay, if you go down that path, you'll be arrested. If you go down that path, I will investigate you for this and this and this and that. Not even that.

Paulo Figueiredo
They openly said that if any investigation is open against him, they will declare that the investigation is unconstitutional and will be nullified. And the guy who has a, they. Openly said that the court saying that if anyone investigates them, they will say it's unconstitutional and they will nullify that. And if we pass a bill that takes away some of their superpowers, they will void this bill as well because they will consider it unconstitutional. And Gustavo, the guy who has a power to open an investigation of investigation in the Senate of Brazil is the president of the Congress.

Nikolas Ferreira
His name is Rodrigo Pasceko. This is an important guy in all of this history because if the Senate of Brazil makes his paper, we shouldn't leave what we are living today. But like, there's a lot of impeachment, impeachment requirements. Requirements. Yeah, impeachment, impeachment requirements.

And he does do that. He puts, like, in the. Just sit on them. Exactly. He's from my state, Minajerais, and like, he.

He doesn't have any popularity. He's not going to run for anything, I think, because he's going to lose. And still he does do that for us. Nothing. That's.

That's really, really sad. So, but what we can do, we can do nothing, but we're going to say to him that to put a requirement for impeachment, the old people came to so Paulo Rio asking for impeach. Barozu, impeach Alejandro Giamorais, even though he doesn't do enough. You know, all these people that you assign, so, Paulo. Yeah.

Paulo Figueiredo
Their main thing is, yes, they do support Bolsonaro, but their main ask is formaries to be impeached. Yeah. Isn't that a fair assessment? Exactly. Yeah, fair assessment.

Gustavo Gayer
There are 4 million. I think it's more than 4 million signatures now on an online petition to get Mora is impeached. 4 million. That has. That has never happened before with anybody.

4 million people took time to go there, write the form, put your name, email, confirming mail, went, go there and sign I in favor of impeachment of Alexander. The nice thing to put on screen. If you can find change ark, is it. What is the website? I don't know if it's.

Nikolas Ferreira
I don't know, but if you. Or I'll look it up. Sitzit. No, no, it's not that one. If you put copal.

C o p P o L a.

Okay, Morris, impeachment.

Paulo Figueiredo
I think it's change arc. Change arc. No, it's not. It's. This is another one.

Patrick Bet-David
4 million people. That was from 2021. Look at that. Abasha sinad petition for Maria. Yes, but it's in Portuguese, right?

Nikolas Ferreira
Yeah, it's important. Nobody. You can click and you can translate it. Right? That's 2021.

Gustavo Gayer
Yeah, we gotta find the link. That there's a link there somewhere.

Nikolas Ferreira
Yeah. Anyway.

Gustavo Gayer
Where'S the link?

Nikolas Ferreira
No, just. Just read more. Anyway, in 2021, like two. That's it. Yeah, that's it.

Patrick Bet-David
Wow. 4 million. Oh, my God. It's now almost 5 million. Almost.

Nikolas Ferreira
And now please go to this link. And support now to almost 5 million. Yeah, yeah, but what does this mean, though? Okay, so you get 6 million signatures. What does it mean?

Paulo Figueiredo
Nothing. Yeah, it's raising temperature. That's what we've been trying to do all the time. This is why we. We have been coming here.

Gustavo Gayer
This is our fourth or fifth visit to the United States, something that I keep talking to the congressman here in the United States is every time the left starts losing in one country, there's a whole network, global network of leftist people that go there and support the left in that country. They will not accept the left losing in a certain country. So they have this network to help each other. Right. But the conservatives or the right wing people, we are fighting isolated fights and it's impossible.

It's like we're fighting a mammoth of. And then when we start to gain some ground, come SOTUS and NgO's all over the place, and then median and then everywhere come and then puts us back in our place. Let's say, right what we are trying to do. And I think it's actually, we are late, but we need to start doing that. It's work together.

All the right, the conservatives, clear minded, reasonable. You don't have to be conservative, you just have to be reasonable. All the reasonable people, the sane minded people in the world need to start working together. And Brazil is now an experiment of a new kind of dictatorship. It's not a dictatorship centered in the executive, but it's a dictatorship centered in the judiciary, which gives a certain air of legitimacy because it's an institution that is giving these decisions to help uphold the democracy and the constitution, when actually it's the opposite.

And if it works in Brazil, there will be a perfect manual that will be replicated in other countries. So we have to cut this evil at its roots. And the root now of this evil is Brazil. So we are we coming here to tell everyone, look, we live in one planet, let's help each other. We are doing our best to get every single brazilian people, person here in the United States to vote for Trump.

We're trying to explain to everyone, and we have, I don't know, why is it important? Why is it important for Brazil, for Trump to win? Ever since Biden took office, United States became weak. All the dictators or the wannabe dictators of the world started popping up. Then we have Maduro wanting to invade Guyana.

We had Hamas doing that terrible thing with Israel, Russia invading Ukraine. Why? Because whether you like it or not, you might like United States. People from all over the world that's watching this, you might like United States or not. But as long as United States is the most powerful country, there's a certain ballot.

It's like, I don't know if it's going to sound, but it's a good bully, right? You have the bad bully and the good bully. It's not a perfect country, but when it's the most powerful country. All the other dictators think twice before doing something, invading another country and having a reaction from the United States. Now, when you have an old, senile person who can't even read the prompt is make a speech, all the wannabe dictators are like, oh, now it's my time.

Now it's the time to do what I always wanted to do. The UA has been a force for evil. I'll make the bolt bold statement. Who has been a force for you? United States government.

Paulo Figueiredo
I will make the bold statement that if it wasn't for the Biden administration, Lula wouldn't be the president of Brazil. Okay, why do you say that? Because interference. They completely interfered with the brazilian elections, not only through their work with the TSC, but also with the threat that I said to the military leaders and politicians in Brazil. Our institutions would take care of Mariah if it wasn't for the support, the blunt and strong support that the Biden administration gave to marise.

And that's what's happening in the foreign policy of the United States. The US used to use its soft power to export democracy. Now it uses the soft power. The number one priority of the Biden administration foreign policy is lgbt and climate. So it's woke leftist agenda.

And Lula is their guy in Brazil. Definitely. They didn't want Bolsonaro. Bolsonaro is not a crazy environmental agenda. It's not towards LGBT.

It's not towards the woke agenda, definitely. And it was their enemy, and they went out of their way to get rid of him. And I don't care. I'm not here. I don't care about Bolsonaro and Lula.

Really, I do not. I think the country needs to make its own decision in a fair election and a free and fair election. But if you don't have free speech, you don't have anything else. And what the war against free speech is not only in Brazil, it's ongoing in the US. We now know for a fact that the Biden administration was working with a social media company to censor speech in America.

That's a fact that's beyond any discussion. We have the documents, we have the emails, at least since last week. So we know what's going on in France. You know, Rumble left France. You know, Rumble was kicked out of Russia.

You know, China is. Let's not even talk about China. You know what's happening in Australia, you know what's happening in Ireland or Germany. So the war against free speech is a global thing, and Brazil is just where they have the most power to enforce it. In December 2023, rumble blocked access to Brazil.

Patrick Bet-David
So there's no rumble in Brazil, no. Locals, because they ordered to block my account, among others. Among. I think Rodrigo was part of it as well, because Rumble owns locals. And Rodrigo, Rodrigo Constantino was here as well.

Paulo Figueiredo
He was object a target of orders against him as well. And Rumble, Chris Pavlovsky, the CEO, said, I'm not going to comply with it. Ilima said he's going to lift all the restrictions in Brazil as well. But he hasn't made good of his promise yet. But.

And the moment he does, he will tweeter or axe whatever will be disconnected from Brazil. Lula actually is. There's an ongoing process from Lula people, administration to ban Twitter or X from Brazil. Yeah, from attorney, actually. But I have a question.

Eduardo Bolsonaro
Sorry, I have a question about that. Imagine the future with the election of Trump. Let's imagine this possibility if Trump look for that as a trade war against Brazil, looking. Imagine Trump saying, okay, you are banning an american company in Brazil that's going to do the same with the brazilian companies in us. So I think he can do worse things.

Paulo Figueiredo
He can use the magnitsky act to go against Morris. He can freeze bank accounts, he can cancel visas. Cancel visas. So this is the kind of pressure that they fear with Trump's election. Yeah, they're terrified.

They are terrified. How do you know that? Well, because of the way, you know, because of the mainstream media, the way they hate Trump. And they're doing everything. I watch regular tv, regular news in Brazil.

Patrick Bet-David
What am I hearing every day? Trump is a terrible person, a murderer, rapist, this kind of things. Yes. On regular news. Yes.

Gustavo Gayer
You know, MSNBC hates the planet. Destroy pollution. Islamophobia. Islamophobic. Nazi.

He's a Nazi. Because now the defending jews is nazi. In Brazil. If you defend the jude Israel, you're a Nazi. Like, because these, these traditional medias, they receive money from the government.

Nikolas Ferreira
And now Lula put, like, a lot of money. You can resolve record value. Ideological. Yes, ideological. Right.

But money counts a lot, too. So they put a lot, lot of money in global. For example, there is the biggest mainstream media in Brazil, and that's why you can hear the truth. That's why they want so much of censorship or Internet. We're going to put the link below to all three of you guys.

Patrick Bet-David
Are you guys more active Twitter on Instagram? Which one is the one you're more active? Instagram. Instagram. Twitter.

Because that's going to be okay. Rob, let's put everybody's links below. I just want to say I appreciate you guys for coming down and sitting down and talking. Every time I do, I learn more about what's going on with Brazil. I'm obviously, I'm a guy that lived in Iran.

And when Carter became president, for those four years when he was president, Iran was in shambles. The iranian revolution, when Iran went from being one of the most beautiful countries in the world under the shah to it falling, happened under Jimmy Carter. And the closest case study we have to Jimmy Carter is Joseph Biden. And again, goes back to what you said. When the president in us is weak, everybody else feels it.

I'm in us because of Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter is the reason why I'm in us. And he forced a lot of people to leave. We didn't feel safe. And a lot of people around the world right now are feeling it because of weak leadership here.

And it's great to see guys like you that have the courage to go out there and speak out. I wish you guys nothing but the best when you go back to your, you know, I'm sure you guys got a dinner set up with Alessandro the moment you guys get in town. And Morales, you guys probably gonna go to barbecue. It's gonna be amazing. Or we've.

Gustavo Gayer
Pool party. It's actually a pool party, right? Yeah, but. And I'm glad that your father is recovering well and he's fighting and he's out there doing his thing and losing his passport over chasing after a whale or whatever he's doing with that. Obviously, he seems like a pretty creative, fun guy to be around.

Patrick Bet-David
Appreciate you guys for coming out. For the people that are following the story, like they said, spread this conversation with others. They want more exposure of this because people need to learn about what's really going on in Brazil. Thanks, guys. Thanks, everybody.

Take care. Thank you very much.

Gustavo Gayer
Thank you very much.

Brazil: Corrupt Alexandre de Moraes EXPOSED | Eduardo Bolsonaro, Nikolas Ferreira | PBD Podcast #409

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