R4, HOLE 6: The Mental Aspect of Golf: How to Recover When You're Playing Poorly, JR Plays Pebble Beach, Charley Hull's Cigarette & Jason Day's Shorts

J.R. Smith
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Get the ball from a to b. Don't worry about your hips and your shoulder and your neck and your feet and the weight. And it's just like, bro, just move the ball to a to b. You're good enough to the point to where now if I put a fucking 40 foot circle around there, I should be able to hit four irons, or if not, at least off the tee into a 40 yard perimeter.

Stephen Malbon
Part three podcast.

J.R. Smith
Let's fucking go.

Stephen Malbon
Even Marvin.

Oh, my goodness. Let's get right into it.

Put us down for the birdie dog.

Somebody give me your fucking putter.

Poured the putty. I had to make it.

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the world famous part three podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Stephen Maubin. Got my guy. Junior Smith. This episode is brought to you by unified healing. So what's good, Junior?

J.R. Smith
Where you at, man? I'm in Florida, bro. Out here in Florida, man. Just trying to get my. Get my life together, man, trying to figure out where I'm headed next. And, uh, I don't know.

School finished kind of funky school season into funky, just in a weird spot right now trying to figure it out.

Stephen Malbon
That's a pretty good intro into the unified healing. So when you're in a funky, whether that be in basketball, golf, life, whatever, what's the go to? What's the play? If there's a young and listening to you for advice, you've obviously been in, you know, the tide isn't always high, but it's not always low, right? So when you're in that low tide, how do you. How you get there?

J.R. Smith
That's why I want to ask you how you stay level with it when you playing. Like, when you in the mix of it, like, you go par, par, par, and, you know, you think you about to make. You make it. You about to make a turn and just go double bogey, par, double some weird shit. And it's just like, how you get back into it.

Stephen Malbon
I think I just try to do, like, I mean, obviously little stuff, like, don't be angry. Like, don't be angry. That's not gonna help, right? Don't be, you know, have self pity and be like, well, like, daw. That ain't gonna work either. I think tempo and swinging calm. Maybe grab an extra club, you know, like, instead of hitting a hard seven, an arm in it, then I'm just gonna take a six and try to just smooth one. And I truly think that, like, just, like in life, like, it only takes one good shot, right? Like, one.

I just almost try not to rush because I'm so even on the range when I'm hitting the ball battle and range, I feel like I just hurry up and hit another shot, hit another shot, hit another shot. Because all I gotta do is hit one good one. As soon as I hit one good one, then I'm like, there it is. That's the one. I can. Now. I can do it, but sometimes it gets so disastrous that, like, it's hard to be like, dude, just go slow. You know, even when you, like, I was watching Remington in his match when he starts crumbling in the championship, it's amazing. All the players do it, too. When you see them start playing back, they start going so fast, walking fast, fast routine, getting up to it. Read the putt fast. Putt, the fall hard. Like, just. It's really a matter of, like, you know, calming down and, like, surrendering a little bit and just being like, look, I know I can hit a seven iron. This. This isn't, you know, I'm not plugged in the lip of a bunker. This is a seven iron from the fairway. Like, slow down.

J.R. Smith
It's.

Stephen Malbon
I think the main thing is just, like, slowing down and taking a breath, breathing a little bit, you know, and just knowing that, like, this, too shall pass type of shit. Like, it can't go a lot of times, too. If I'm playing really bad, I'm like, I can't wait for this to fucking switch because there's no way I could play this bad for 18 holes. It's just, it's impossible. I can't do it. It's impossible.

I have to start making some good shots. Or you know, when you're missing putts, same thing. It's like you're missing a lot of, you know, birdie putts. It's like being mindful of the fact that you're getting birdie putts. Like good job, good job, you're getting birdie putts. You can't be mad. You're missing birdie putts. Like be patient and you will make some of them right. But if you just get angry that you keep lipping out for birdie and it's over, then you're gonna make doubles for sure.

J.R. Smith
Cuz you're not gonna make that. So you know, your second shot, you're gonna put so much emphasis. So I gotta get it closer. It's like, bro, it ain't getting closer.

That ain't it.

It's funny.

Stephen Malbon
Ten foot birdie pots.

J.R. Smith
I just went, I went back to Jersey for like a week, bro. And when I tell you my game has like really, I go lie. I got so frustrated with it, bro. At the end of the season, like I just seriously, man, I played so bad. Towards the end of the season I just put my clubs up. I was like, man I don't even want to play this shit no more. Like mentally just frustrated and demoralized. And I went back home and I get to the range and I'm like, you know what, all right, this is what you do.

Just stop trying to hit shots and figure out what's the stock shot where every club, let's start from scratch. Don't swing hard, don't swing, you know, don't worry about form or technique as long as the ball is going straight.

Clock, clock it, clock it, clock it. And I did that with Warner Club.

I did that with my nine iron. And surprisingly it's like I'm sitting here hitting probably three, no exaggeration, probably 3400 shots in between nine iron and in between nine iron pitching wedge.

And like my 58 and 54 like around the greens I was hitting a bunch of those. But out of all probably like a 100, 159 irons.

And I started off doing the same thing I was telling you and I was hitting like my nine iron that I normally hit when I'm playing or playing with fellas. Like 100, 5155. I normally hit it and I'm smooth swinging it. Just downloaded it. It's like 138 landing rolls out to like 142.

And I do it again, same thing. Then they're the same numbers every single time and I'm getting the same generally like the same flight.

Yeah, flight, swing, speed, like, all that shit. Like, I'm generally starting to see what the ball does when I swing at, like, 78. 78 miles an hour. That's what the number kept reading, like, 78. 79. 78.678 point 778.279.4. Whatever. And it keeps reading this. It didn't. Is like, okay, now I got that. Now let me just feel like I'm swinging 10% faster, and when I tell you the ball starts flying.

Yeah. I'm like, holy shit. And just, like, literally, I'm not doing anything special. I'm just literally just trying to make solid contact with it. Just get the ball to a to b. Get the ball a to b, and it changed the game, because for me, it's like, I always think I have to do something so fucking special, bro. And it's like, bro, you don't have to do none of that. All you have to do is make solid contact.

Get the ball from a to b. Don't worry about your hips and your shoulder and your neck, feet and the weight. And it's just like, bro, just move the ball to a to b. You're good enough to the point to where now you. If you. If you. If I put a fucking 40 foot circle around there, I should be able to hit four irons. Or if not, if at least off the tee into a 40 yard perimeter.

That's fairways right there.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, yeah.

J.R. Smith
When I tell you my score, I went from.

From when I stopped playing. I was down here in Florida, like, a week, two weeks ago. I was shooting anywhere from 878-589-9092 played MacArthur. I shot 91, 93.

I'm just sitting here like, bro, this is not golf now. Like, this is. I was, like, depressing. I was like, this is not golf. And then I go home, work on that, and I'm like, 78, 79.

Like, 78, 77, 75, bro.

The mental aspect of it is just so demoralizing, because you get so much information and so many clubs and shit coming out. You are. You already seen the pros, and you think, you got to do so much. Bros like you, if you do less, you'd be so much better off.

And I'm really learning that.

Stephen Malbon
I saw the other day that there was something that, like, you know, you've heard it before. Like, I think Santino said on the show, it's like, you know, it's a difference between, like, if you really are working that hard at it, right? Like, I saw that some. Some meme or jason did an interview. He said he putts for two and a half hours every day, right? Now think of this. This dude putts practice putting for two and a half hours every single day for the last 15 years, 365 days a year to do putts. Practicing for two and a half hours a day. And then I watch him in the tournament, and he misses seven foot birdie putts. He misses eight foot eagle putts, right? Yeah, he knocks in a 45 footer for birdie or something, you know, along the way. But in general, I watch him miss five foot par putts.

So it's like, it's just amazingly hard, this shit. Like, even that, like, and, you know, you don't practice putting two and a half hours, probably a week ever.

J.R. Smith
Like, honestly, I don't think I put did that much practice on putting in a month.

Just putting?

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, in a whole month of just putting, right. And then we go out there and your average golfer goes out there and like, you know, it's like, I can't believe I missed a six foot putt for birdie. It's like I can, right? I mean, it's hard, dude. It's hard to make it. I get a lot of birdie putts, and I don't make, I don't make half of them that I think I should make, or I don't make 80% of them that I think I should make, to be honest. Because I'm thinking, oh, twelve foot birdie putt. It's right lip uphill. I miss the hole or leave it short. Yeah, but it's like, it is a big deal, especially when you're practicing. I mean, when you're in play and you're in a tournament, you gotta make it. There's pressure and the greens are fast, and then it's like when the greens are fast, I'm not scared of missing the putt. I'm scared at what's gonna happen if I miss the putt. You know what I mean? I'm scared that if I miss it now, I'm gonna have a four foot, five footer slider coming back. So then you leave it too far short.

J.R. Smith
And then in tournaments, that's me in the college events. Right there in a nutshell. Right there. I can hit the, when I tell you, I hit the perfect drive, I hit the perfect second shot, but, and I'll be eight or 9ft, but the moment I hit that first putt, that's the very next thought. Oh, shit, what am I gonna do on this one?

You got a two footer. Just tap it in to get out of there somehow. Rim that shit. Like, just like, bro, that shit is literally just like that. That's crazy.

Finally, somebody start worrying about it.

Stephen Malbon
Yes, that's it. Every. It's it. It's like, I'm not scared of the six foot birdie pudding. I'm scared of hitting it four foot past and missing the four footer for par.

For par. Now I make bogey. I go from a six foot birdie putt. Now I got a four and a half foot, five foot par putt. Leave that one short tap in bogey.

J.R. Smith
You do that two to three times around, bro. That's easily 75 to 80.

That's the difference right there.

Stephen Malbon
Easily that I was. I just went down there and did something with Joel Damon, and he was just talking to him about golf. I'm like. He's like, how you playing? I said, dude, I'm just as good as you. At least 13 holes. Like, at least 13 holes. I'm just as good as anybody in the world. And then the last five, I make doubles, he makes birdies. He beats me by 15.

No big deal. Like, that's it. That's the difference. Hello, everybody. Per usual, we would like to give a big, warm welcome to one of our favorite sponsors on earth, pop golf, for bringing us peach ice cream in Augusta, Georgia. Thank you for all you do, Miss Jim pebble. You look. You look good out there. I saw you on number seven. I saw you walking down the little part three. Number seven.

J.R. Smith
Yeah.

Yeah, man, I knocked it tight, man. I thought I was gonna make. I thought I had the ace. I was gonna send that shit straight to D Wade, but I knocked it to, like, 8ft. Fortunately, it was like, a played at 80 yards. That did the other day.

So it was like a short 58.

Honestly, man, it was one of the best golf courses I've ever played.

But I was just literally just trying to keep it on earth. Every. Every. I seen so much trouble, like, looking at the cliffs and, like, certain areas. I was just like, man, just nice and easy, just trying to, like, place the ball down the fairway. Place the ball on the green, you know, imposes just like, I'm gonna hit it here, then I'm gonna hit it there, then I'm gonna hit it. This is like, no, no, I'm gonna place the ball on this side of the fairway. Like, I try to do that opposed to, you know, overpowering it, just cause I know how prestigious it is and, like, how hard it is or can play. And fortunately, I didn't. I didn't shoot that bad I shot, what, 40 41 or 41 40 in some really, you know, tough conditions. I was one of the only fools out there with shorts on. It was like 55 and 20 miles an hour winds, so it felt like 30. Foggy, foggy sun is peaking. Playing games with you, like, it's gonna be warm for 5 seconds, and then it's, like, freezing for 30 minutes.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, that's pebble.

J.R. Smith
Yeah, it was good.

It was good. It was one of those ones I always wanted to play, but I was like, I was never gonna be that dude sleeping in my car. Play, like, talk about pebble and Beth Page. Yeah.

I didn't think it was going to get done, but fortunately, I can knock that off the list.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, the list. So, pebble, it's like, you've obviously had endless us opens and everything, right? Super famous history and all that fun stuff. But the golf course itself, it's not incredibly long. It's not incredibly ungettable. It's just the greens are teeny.

You notice that, right?

J.R. Smith
Systems post his stamps. And I was thinking, like, how. Why is this course so hard? You know, as I get to, like, the third and fourth hole, I'm just like, danny's greens are small.

I get to, like, seven and eight, and I'm just. Okay, that's what. That's what it is. These greens are just super small. If the winds blowing, it's gonna play super hard. No how. No matter how long or short, of course, is.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, and the rough can be hairy.

J.R. Smith
But the greens roll, bro. So good. So true. Like, I was just like, damn.

It was kind of. It was kind of eerie because it's like, isn't this a public spot? Like, don't, don't, don't. People, like, you know, this is like, pump rounds out. And from the way we played it, you would never know.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, they. They don't. They. I heard the other day, 60,000 green.

Green fees a year on one course.

And it's crazy, you know, like, people. So I heard, actually, I heard that Pebble beach company is positive, financially positive, just from the Pebble beach green fees. And then you add on two, three other courses, couple hotel spas, dozen restaurants, dozen retail stores.

You know, it's insane, that company, like, living here in pebble and watching it and how big and important it is to this town, right? Like, it's. They. This is, like, it's Pebble beach, but it's, like, really beat the Pebble beach company that. That runs everything. So it's exciting to see what Ronnie and in Taylor May did. They did a little pop up down by the putting green at pebble, had a bunch of good people come out and play. And so that was exciting. It was exciting to see that type of.

That type of energy, you know, Ada course is old and traditional as pebble, and just seeing them kind of open mindedly doing cool, you know, more futuristic golf stuff. So it was good to see all that.

J.R. Smith
Yeah, it was dope to see, like, the different, you know, different groups and, I mean, as many events that you've put on, I mean, you know, I'm sure you know what that's like. It's just like being able to have your friends and your boys just come out and play course, like, pebble is just incredible, but just have that hang and that camaraderie amongst the group and the gang, especially when, you know, in the health field, we don't talk about it enough as men, just like, what we're going through, what we got going on, and stuff like that. So to see certain people and see, you know, have those certain type of conversations and relationships is something you really lean on.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, I was reading something the other day. It was talking about how golf is, like, the only thing that, like, men are allowed to get, like, completely in their feelings, right? So, like, the joy, if you, like, knock one in from the fairway, you start screaming and jumping up and down and, like, you're allowed to get that happy and that. That hype. Or if you're playing horrible, you're allowed to be like, you know, I'm I'm.

J.R. Smith
I'm trash.

Stephen Malbon
I'm just. I'm just, you know, it's like, it makes you feel everything, and there's no other time where you could be, like, in a. You can't be at a bar and, like, go talk to a girl, and the girl dish you and then turn to all your homies and start saying how trash you are. Like, that's not gonna happen. And you can't do it in business.

You probably can't do it in basketball. But, like, golf so hard that it's like, damn, I'm just trash. Like, I snap hooked the first one, I blocked the next one. I got double, double. You know, you go play pebble. You're so geeked up. Like, I'm playing pebble. You're talking about it for a month. You get out there, and you just play horrible, and then you got to, like, rebound, get your mind right, and then go walk spyglass the next day. And that one's even harder than pebble.

J.R. Smith
Right. You know, it's funny, you were on, I was on a plane and talking to Angie Martinez and she's like, she's such an avid golf as place all the time, loves the game, loves the game, which I love. Just to hear her talking about it is just like, it's nuts. Like, she's one of the guys.

This is amazing. And we were just talking.

She's like, what are you doing right now? Like, what are you working on and whatever. And I was like, honestly, I left everything I was working on back at the range. The last time I stepped off, I told myself when I go to pebble, I'm not working on anything. I'm just swinging nice and smooth and just having, again, like, I'm, have a good day.

Cause I know if I go out there thinking like, oh, I'm gonna knock it to 2ft on seven and I'm gonna do this on 18, it's just like, bro, you're gonna, you're gonna go shoot a thousand. So I wanted at least keep it on the grid and like, realistic for myself. I don't feel bad about shooting 81 from the tips, you know, in the win.

Stephen Malbon
In the win.

J.R. Smith
Yeah. Like, don't get me wrong. Should I shoot? Should I be playing better as of right now? I think I should be, but I gotta live with certain wins and losses, and right now, that's a win for me.

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Stephen Malbon
I like seeing, like, the US, the women's US Open last week, right? Like, you know, Nelly got a ten on a par three, number one in the world, won six of the last seven tournaments, goes into the US Open a par three, what, 160 yards or something?

Got a ten.

So it's just like, you know, and then you see all those players finishing, like, over par.

You know, people were. Got, like, tied for 40th place was like eight over, right? So, like. And then you compare that to another tournament where, like, 40th place is like six under. Cause all the winners are like 20 under. But golf's funny, it's like, people are like, oh, I shoot in the seventies. It's like, okay, well, go shoot the seventies at pebble when the wind's blowing. Like, let's try that one out. Let me know how you hit those greens. What?

J.R. Smith
A little pressure with the pressure.

Stephen Malbon
And then it's like, even you're saying number seven, you hit an eight foot. I've played it. I probably played pebbles six, seven times.

And I've never hit the green on seven. I've never hit it, really. I hit it left.

Every single time the wind's blowing, I'm nervous. I want to hit it two foot. I'm doing exactly what you said not to do, right? I'm.

I got it figured all out. I get up there and then I just blow it. I pull it close, the face, tug it, pull it. I'm either in that left bunker on the tee box of eight, and then it's a miserable up and down. But at least you're chipping into the wind.

J.R. Smith
After I played the whole. And I went to see rocks one day, I'm sitting there like, this is probably, if I want to miss out, much rather miss here and have that pitch shot into the wind. I know, 2ft to 3ft and then make part, you know, getting aggressive with the right side and hanging that shit out.

Stephen Malbon
And now you gonna get double. You get double. You get a double.

Yeah.

J.R. Smith
Oh, my God.

Oh. And then you can't go long. So this is.

This is a really good, good golf course. And it's funny because I play. We play all the time down here in Florida. And it's a. People are building a ton of golf courses. Golf is obviously the biggest up and coming thing. And, like, everybody who has a couple dollars wants to build the golf course. But it's places like pebble that I really feel like, which makes it more special. Even. Even with the public being able to play it, just as it's a combination between, obviously, the words at the views and whatnot. But the way the golf course plays, it didn't play extremely hard, but you can appreciate it and no hope. No two holes look alike. Yeah, every hole was very unique in its own right and its own.

And it's like like 15. Was that the par five going back?

Stephen Malbon
Oh yeah, yeah that goes to the right. That goes to the right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard to hit that one into the pros. During the US Open. They don't even go for it in two.

Like it's too dangerous.

J.R. Smith
Is a really, really, really good golf course.

Really good golf course. And like again playing on so many good, some plans, so many courses that's like been built in the last couple years like really fast. We are so quick to say, oh, this is a good golf course. This is a good golf course. Like that's a really, really good golf. Yeah, that was real.

Stephen Malbon
And then like you say all the US Opens and everything they have there like for one, you know, the wind, the weather is going to be wild. If it's a four day tournament you can at least count on one or two. Like I've been caddying for queue there the last couple years or a few years back at the at and T pro am and dude is hailing then it's sunny, then it's foggy, then it's windy, then it's sunny. It's like you know you need to pack. You need like three outfits for one round of pebble. And they got that uh, they got the nine, the 9th hole, the little grill, the little snack bar, bar and all that. They sell the rain jackets in there for like 300 5400 for rain jacket. Because like what are you going to do?

You way to hell out there the weather changes.

J.R. Smith
It's like give me all that hoodie. They got the beanie. Yeah.

Stephen Malbon
In the snack bar.

J.R. Smith
Funny, I play with Clay Thompson and Courtney Lee and they're like man you can buy this shit, buy this shit to turn. I was like yeah, that's how you know, they know it's get cold out.

Stephen Malbon
This one and people fly out like oh I'm going to California. Palm trees and sunny beaches and shit. You get out here and it's 45 and windy and foggy, no sun. It's like I'm not dressed right. So they sell a ton of stuff there. I think they got, I got like a dozen retail stores in, in the area. But, but thinking of the fog and all that, it's so wild how like you know, like you say there's so many good golf courses. And then last week, I went out to the Hamptons and I played Fisher's island, which is like number eight. Number eight in the world, number seven, eight, whatever it is. And then I play national golf links of America, which is like number four or five or something. So two days, you know, back to back, Luke played with me, and Luke's from Texas. He's like, yeah, I got Luke. Luke lit. He had to take his fingernail polish off. He had to get there. He had to get the black fingernail polish on. Like, Luke, you can't have that at national.

Cover those tattoos. Put the turtleneck on.

J.R. Smith
Let's go, baby. And look.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, we had a ball, but, like, it is.

It's weird when you like, you know, there's nice courses all over, but, like, there's something about those ones. Like, Fisher island is on an island in between the Hamptons and Connecticut. You can't get there. You gotta get there by plane or boat. It's a true island, right? So we were in Sag harbor. We chartered a dude, picked us up in a boat in Sag harbor. An hour and 15 minutes ride in the roughest, craziest ocean. I mean, nuts, dude. Like, nut. Like, it was so foggy on the way out there that we were only looking through satellites in the radars and shit. And then you could hear other boats honking like these big ass horns. And I'm clinching up. Like, if we go over, it's so foggy, I won't know which way to swim. Like, it's over. You get knocked in that water, you can't see anything. But then you pull up, 17th hole.

J.R. Smith
A little pier, walk across.

Stephen Malbon
You walk up, there's two golf carts waiting on. You. Jump in the golf carts, pull up, go to the clubhouse, you know, buy all the spot, buy all the stuff. And then the first nine holes, it was completely foggy. And then the next nine holes, it got sunny. This is the greatest day, this dude. JD, how was the punch ball?

J.R. Smith
Green?

Stephen Malbon
That's sick. That they sick. It's the whole place so damn big. You did it. You played it.

J.R. Smith
Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's one of my favorite places.

Stephen Malbon
There's not many people who've been out there, right?

J.R. Smith
Not at all, no. For fishers, it is not too far from Wingfoot and Quaker.

Stephen Malbon
Mm hmm. From the Connecticut side. So we picked up Willie Wilcox, had just done.

He was in Texas in that crazy ass emotional week in Texas with the. With the homie passing and all that, you know. So he left that and flew. He was trying to get there, but there were no flights into New York. So he flew to Philly, and he was in drive to Philly, and he calls in the morning. He's like, dude, I blew it. I overslept. I'm in Philly. I have an airport. I'm depressed. I can't believe I blew it. I'm like, don't give up, Willie. Don't give up. Like, we got Connecticut. Get to Connecticut. So he drove to Connecticut. They picked us up by boat and sag harbor. We drove straight to Connecticut, picked up Willie, straight to the 17th hole.

What a day.

What a day that is. And in the boat on the way home, we almost died again. Just my ribs. I had ribs. My ribs were fucked up from the. Felt like I was running after a meal. Cramped up, just left rib pounding.

J.R. Smith
Really. You got a hydrate, dog? You got a hydrate? Yeah.

Stephen Malbon
It was a hell of a day, but it was fun. Fun out there. Willie was hitting those, uh oh, uh, I'll send a clip. Willie was hitting the. Showing me how to hit the lob wedge off a hill over your head. You know, I mean, you flip it and hit it up over your head to land on the green. He was doing that shit. Willie, he can hit some shots. He said he never hit. He's never hit the ball better than he is right now. So you want to send it like that, short of the ball so the faces up like that. Okay.

Yeah, that's impressive.

It's pleasurable to watch that. Luke. Luke was good. Luke was out there grinding like he was trying to, uh, he was trying to break the course record. Everybody else fucking around.

J.R. Smith
Luke grinding, grinding. I love that, man. You gotta. Yo, you play a certain spot, especially, like, national. You gotta grind it, dog.

You know it. And it's always a person. You wouldn't really expect to be, like, out there just grinding, too, trying to make par, scrapping to make par. Kabulge here, maybe sneaking a bird. He wanted to like, oh, man, I love playing with dudes like that.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, that was fun. So what's up with the. You had a rough trip with the wifey and everything to pedal?

J.R. Smith
Yeah, man. You know, a little food poison.

It's crazy because my kids got sick, too. Kids got sick. I didn't come. They didn't travel or anything, but my three daughters were sick.

My niece was sick, my nephew was sick. My two nephews were sick.

And just like, I came out of nowhere and it just wrecked. Wrecked them really damn bad for like two three days kids stayed out of school. One of my daughters was happy about, but I'm like.

And she's like, really asymptomatic of everything. She don't really get sick too often, but just in case, we didn't want to, like, spread it to any other kids, especially at the end of the school year anyway.

But, yeah, man, it was just nightmare. It was a nightmare, man. Especially at pebble, too. It wasn't like, you know, you go to pebble and thinking, like, artists gonna be one of the best trips ever. It's just like, dog shit sick. She was, man. Just like, damn, I feel bad for.

Stephen Malbon
Are the kids out of school?

J.R. Smith
Denver gets out. Denver Cody get out on Monday. That's the 10th.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, Monday's the 10th.

J.R. Smith
Yeah, they get out on Monday. Um, Peyton's out already.

Demi gets out on, like, the 22nd or 23rd or something like that.

Stephen Malbon
I knew it was a 10th because we got Alpine.

Yeah, Alpine 300.

Kevin's so geeked about that. I love working with Kevin Lalson.

J.R. Smith
He's a great dude, man. He's a good dude, man. They got a lot of great. Got a great membership.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, Kevin's good with that mental health. He's definitely stays present and mindful. I like when he does those little, you know, morning thoughts and all that.

He'll just talk to the. To the gram.

I was talking to Cece about it. Like, he's.

The world can throw shit at you, right. He's got the whole thing going on with his artists.

J.R. Smith
Yeah. Right.

Stephen Malbon
That dude's dealing with a lot.

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Stephen Malbon
Three playing with Charlie hall in the proems and such. Like, I'll miss, like, a six foot pup for birdie or something, right? She'll just look at me like, yeah, and that's why you're a six.

Just like, you're basically a loser. Like, yeah, that's why you're six. And that's why I'm a fucking pro. I'm number eight in the world because, like, I'm a lot better than you.

J.R. Smith
Yeah.

Stephen Malbon
You saw her ripping those newports?

J.R. Smith
No, Newport.

Stephen Malbon
One hundred s at the US Open.

She broke the Internet. She broke the Internet. So she's always been smoked. So Charlie smoked cigarettes, right? But it's not a big deal. She smokes cigarettes. Obviously, cigarettes aren't good for you. Everything like that. We all know that stuff. But in this day and age, people still smoke cigarettes. She's from London. Whatever. She smoke. But she does her best not to smoke on the golf course because, you know, she goes to the gym for 4 hours a day. She's beautiful. She's in shape. She's like, you know, everything you wanted. Think of a smoker. If John Daley smoking two packs around, he looks like he should smoke cigarettes. She doesn't.

J.R. Smith
I got you.

Stephen Malbon
And then so she. She was, uh. You'll see it, dude. It's all over. So she was walking from the range. She had stains in her hands or something. Cigarette in her mouth. Little kids asking her for the autograph. She goes up and throws autographs with the dew port in her mouth with, like, an inch long ash in the mouth. Smoking cigarette with designing autographs for little kids in the US Open. And then it like, it literally like that? Was it like that between that and Nellie corder making a twelve on that part three, that was, like, the two hottest topics of the US Open.

But she's just basically, like, nervous and it's the US Open and. You know what I mean? It's hard not to smoke if you need nicotine and, like.

And.

But that was wild, watching that whole thing. It was just endless.

Endless.

Charlie hall smoking cigarettes. The Getty Images. I go, Getty. You know, she wears our stuff so that go. I go look at the Getty Images, and it's like, all this. All the images. She's got a cigarette in her mouth. It's like 100.

And then there's an image of her, and you can see that. You can see the box of newports in her hands. Smoking Newport 141 at the US over.

J.R. Smith
Yeah.

Stephen Malbon
And everybody's like, all the. All the, like, golf dudes are like, I'm completely in love with her. Like, that's it. It's over.

J.R. Smith
I'm completely in love with her.

Stephen Malbon
She. She ripping darts on the course. She's fucking new for us. Like, forget about it.

J.R. Smith
She got a little pink skirt or the baby boo skirt on, so I got the fiction.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, you see it at long ass cigarette.

J.R. Smith
Their mouth ripping a sign, autograph a little buddy.

That's.

Stephen Malbon
But that was fun to watch that. Us open, the women, us open. That shit is.

That course was killing them, dude. It was killing them.

J.R. Smith
It didn't look easy.

Stephen Malbon
I mean, they were all over par.

J.R. Smith
Did not look easy. One thing about them, and it's like, if they're over par, then the course is playing really hard, because, I mean, other than really hard or really long, I think the majority of them, they're iron and short games, really good and putting really good. So in order to make it the difficult course for them, I think it. I think that's what it is, because the accuracy is always going to be there.

Stephen Malbon
I just played that national, going back to national, and so I hit a one of the holes. I pulled my drive. I was in the bunker in the fairway. I hit a nine iron on the green, you know, 20 foot right of the pin, pin high, and the pin was tucked left, and there was another bunker. And so I told him, I said.

I told Caddy, I said, yeah, I stayed right. I didn't want to get in disaster. He goes, you just should be happy you made it on the green. Only 30% of this green holes.

So just think of that 100% of the green, 70% is going off the green, into a bunker, into just some bullshit. So I just. Big ass green. Only 30% of the green the ball will stop on. So when it's hard, it's just like, you know, I remember talking to someone about how they're. They're making the distance. I think it was called Harmon. They're making the distance of the balls. They're rolling back the ball or whatever. He's like, just make the courses harder. Just make the courses harder. Like, it's not the distance, it's too easy. The greens are flat. You can hit it on the. On the green anywhere.

They won't make. They can't make double bogeys. I mean, this was 160 yard hole. Nellie Corda made a ten on a par three. It's because the green, you can put the pins in positions that it's just impossible to get it close.

You hit one in the water.

J.R. Smith
I feel like it's hard, though, because you really hear dudes, like, complain a lot. Especially. I mean, I felt like you hear PJ Tour players complain more than LPJ Tour players, just as far as, like, how tricky some of the greens can be in, like, course conditions and stuff like that. And, like, the undulations of the greens, the speeds of the greens like that.

I feel like you can make it harder, but this is gonna make them complain more.

Is it gonna be all. This is too tricked out, you know, I mean, like.

Stephen Malbon
So the Pinehurst. We got Pinehurst coming up, us open. Right, right. And I was there a few. A few months back, we. And I was talking to the superintendents and the directors of golf and such, and basically.

So I know you played it right, all the Pinehurst.

J.R. Smith
No, I haven't.

Stephen Malbon
So, basically, there's no rough. It just goes from fairway to these, like, waste areas that has pine straw in it and sand in these, like, fescue clunks and shit in it. It's like a sand dooney type of shit. You don't want to hit it in, right? Like, you don't want to hit it in that. So I heard. Because they like to make the US open really, really a challenge for the players, and they don't want. I think last time, like, even par one or something. You know what I mean? Like, they don't want it to work 20 under. That's not happening. So I'm like, what? What's going on?

They said, basically, they just stopped watering the fairways, so they haven't watered the fairways in a couple months, which means when you tee off in the concrete, the fairways like concrete, and the ball is going to hit the fairway and roll through the fairway and be in that junk. And then number two, every green is like a turtle shell. So the front's false, the backs false. It's like. It's like a mound like this. It depends on the top. And it's. Again, it goes into that green. That's like half the green, you know, ball won't stay on it, every green. So they're having to hit it out of the junk.

And on a landing area, that's like, you got, like, three yards to land it. And if it goes an inch too far, it's going off the back, an inch too short is coming off the front. And the dude who won it, Martin, forgot one of the US Open there.

German dude.

J.R. Smith
Martin Karmer.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, he won it, and he putted every hole from 40 yards in, he putted consistently for four days. He just putted in because you can't spin the wedge right. It won't. You can't get the distance right. So he was Texas wedging it from 40 yards in and one last year for four days straight. And one, and one. He was two putting from 40 yards out.

That was his only hope. Everybody else trying to hit little nippers and that shit backfires, bounce off the back.

J.R. Smith
One thing I'm taking that strategy.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, that's a good, that was a good one.

J.R. Smith
Oh, yeah.

Stephen Malbon
We played it in the pouring rain. Last time it was the pouring rain, but this time, so again, it's like, you know, you can make the golf courses hard if you want to make it hard.

J.R. Smith
Right.

Stephen Malbon
Think of pebble. They raised that rough. Yeah, babe, exactly. If you raise the rough at pebble and then they even tighten the fairways up.

J.R. Smith
Oh, my God.

Stephen Malbon
Right. Like, just think if they want to make it hard.

And then it's like the greens are teeny, the winds ripping. You're hitting six irons, five irons into those little greens. It's like just. That becomes really hard, I think like it breaks you down mentally, too. When you like hit a perfect drive and hit a perfect iron, it bounces off the back. Now you're grinding for par or both. You know, you're. Now you got to hit a perfect chip shot, perfect putt. You get out of there par, then you go to the next hole. You hit a perfect, you know, hybrid hits the front of the green, rolls off the front. Now you're grinding and it's like you just can't do it. 18 holes, you don't get many easy holes, right? Like too much.

J.R. Smith
It's funny cuz on one I had a caddy named Joe Good dude, everybody ripped out three wood. I'm pulling out. Driver. He's like, why you hit drivers? Like, man, listen, if I hit, I'm gonna hit a cut.

And I know I get off that bunker. Yeah, I know I'm gonna get past that tree, bro. I was on the next tee box. I had like a 70 yard wood shot and knocked it.

Stephen Malbon
You just cut it around that tree?

J.R. Smith
Yeah, knocked it to like 6ft. Mister Dan Birdie put tapping bar. Get out of there.

Stephen Malbon
Here we go. What you doing to to hit drive?

J.R. Smith
Yeah, actually I had a really bad drive. Like sculled it, knocked it, knocked the next one to the fairway.

Hit a really, really, really good punch. Third shot to like to the front of the green and it rolled up.

Stephen Malbon
In between those trees.

J.R. Smith
In between the trees?

Stephen Malbon
In between those two trees.

J.R. Smith
So I was underneath the tree. Tree on the right.

So on my third. On my, uh, this. Yeah, my third shot in third shot, I hit it underneath there. And then my fourth shot, I had a little bump. Seven. No, seven iron because I had to cover. So I had like, yeah, no, it was a six iron hit. Skids runs up the pin, was tucked back right. So it ran all the way up to the middle of the green two part and got out of there. It's like, bro, I was sitting there, grind, didn't neck. So across the road I had a perfect drive. Lose my ball.

Stephen Malbon
What, you hit it over the trees? Over the trees?

J.R. Smith
Left. Over the tree? Left. On a rope. I swear. I think so.

Stephen Malbon
I nipped a tree.

J.R. Smith
I think so. I picked it up, bro. Honestly was like, man, I've never seen nobody take on that line and be that like, you're. You should be perfect. I'm like, so I need to think twice about it, man. Like, it cleared your fucking. The tree. I was like, it had to hit somebody in front of us and they got pissed and like just kicked my shit or something.

Exactly.

Stephen Malbon
Healed it. He'll stop it into. Into the fairway, plug, man.

J.R. Smith
But eight though. Eight, I don't think eight gives enough credit. Off the cliff. And first of all, the blind teeth.

Stephen Malbon
Like, it looks like you just hit a way left. Yeah, that's what he told you. I hit it the house, way left. Just hit three wood left.

J.R. Smith
He showed me where JT was that on like, the side of the fucking world. Cliff nuts. This is great. Yeah, pebbles, great is a great spot, man. Like, I'm not gonna laugh. I would.

I've never really been into doing like, you know, guy trips. Like, that just always seemed weird for me. Whatever. No diddy.

But I gotta take a trip back there, man. Gotta. Definitely got to take a trip back to pebble and like, do it right. I gotta play all everywhere and like, no matter if, like four or five days and just relax and do it instead of just going there. You feel like you gotta rush and play 36 a day and like. Like, bro. Yeah, take your time. Get up, get a morning, eat breakfast, warm up. Like, experience it instead of just rushing it. Like it's fast food.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah. That area where I'm at now in pebble, I just went and did a member gas stop at Olympic Club, San Francisco.

Amazing. They do the US open there. So, like, if you fly into San Fran, play Olympic club, then the next morning go down to Santa Cruz, play Pasa, Tampa. Then the next day, play pebble, play spyglass, play MPCC, Monterey Peninsula country club. Insane.

And you got cypress. Poppy Hills is nuts. The preserve is nuts. I mean, just think of that run right there. Right? Like, the only one that good to me is the Hamptons.

J.R. Smith
Yeah.

Stephen Malbon
You know, and it's friar's head, maidstone, savonic, Fishers.

It's just Shinika national.

Even Atlantic. Atlantic is insane.

J.R. Smith
Right?

Stephen Malbon
They're all Hamptons. Nuts. I heard. I heard the dude from.

Maybe Augusta. Went there from Augusta. Nationally.

J.R. Smith
I wouldn't be surprised.

Stephen Malbon
I think the head pro there may have come. May have come from Augusta. We just had a call with Augusta for the.

For, like, selling merch or whatever, selling the gear to them. And so now they know who we are because of that vest gate shit, you know, and they're with it. But they were telling us that the new rules. So no five pocket jeans, no athletic shoes.

So no Jordans. No. No Jordan ones. Jordan whatever's nice. Over.

J.R. Smith
Even if they're gross shoes.

Stephen Malbon
No. No. You getting on property with that shit now? They can. At Augusta national during the tournament. The masters. Right? But no, if you get invited. No five pockets, no hoodies, no athletic shoes.

Know this. That a few more.

J.R. Smith
What other pants is there other than five pocket? Like, I don't really buy pockets.

Stephen Malbon
Is that one little one that you put the dime bag in on the right.

J.R. Smith
Right.

Stephen Malbon
The little five is too close to a denim. Too close to denim, they say. And then they say at all times, gentlemen will wear a blazer.

J.R. Smith
Don't you feel like change? Fallout your slacks? I feel like change. And shit always falls out of my pockets when I wear slacks.

Stephen Malbon
Ball, markers, tools.

J.R. Smith
Because the pocket is like, kind of like a slit, not like a cross.

Stephen Malbon
Where, shit, if you're walking, it won't fall out. If you're in the cart, it's over.

J.R. Smith
It's over.

Stephen Malbon
Right in the cart, it's over. You can't do it. You can't do it. Even though when we make pants, like, I try to make the pockets an extra inch, two inch deeper because of that exact reason. Because I'm sick of losing my little chotch keys and things when I'm golfing, for sure. So, you know, you make the pockets deeper. But if you're walking, it's fine.

J.R. Smith
If you're walking, it's perfect.

Stephen Malbon
You're not coming out. Nothing's falling out of your pockets.

J.R. Smith
Oh, yeah.

Stephen Malbon
Who you got for memorial this week?

J.R. Smith
I'm going with the hometown. I gotta go with J day.

Stephen Malbon
Oh, I would love if he wins. Kids, they're on him already. He wore these, like, shorts. These dudes this golf, angry golf guys, they just. They don't stop, bro. They were these shorts two days in a row, and they're talking about, oh, great, he's wearing swimming trunks. J day just said, fuck it. He's out here wearing swimming trunks now on the golf course, which they're not swimming trunks, right? And then I see this meme. He got him in a wetsuit. They said, next he's gonna pull up to. Pull up to find her wetsuit. He's gonna be golfing in a wetsuit.

Oh, I care. With these guys.

He did the pro am with Peyton Manning and Chris Pratt.

J.R. Smith
Ok, that's a guy from Jurassic park, right?

Unified Healing
I think is.

Stephen Malbon
I think his outfit is fire. You know, the plaid shorts. I'm into it. Totally digging. What a gentleman.

Unified Healing
He's been so fun to play with.

Stephen Malbon
Kind of like his golf game. I mean, he's going far.

J.R. Smith
I got slam part of them, shorty, have him drip part of the jet out of here 24 hours.

Paramedics killing them. Stepping on a neck Louie, leather vest, running up a check. Stacking them. Stacking them. Yeah, hold on. I caught the top.

Stephen Malbon
I was asking Remy, I'm like, what do you think? Are you more.

J.R. Smith
Are you?

Stephen Malbon
Bet you would know this even from basketball. If you're.

If. Are you better off out of town or at home for a big game?

J.R. Smith
A big game.

Out of town, out of town.

Stephen Malbon
Because you have less distractions and less homies.

J.R. Smith
Nobody's at the house. I get to go to a hotel. Nobody's at. It's just me, the team. I wake up, got a routine like, there's no, oh, you got to do this or somebody can come in and step in the room and, like, some weird shit. Like. Or, like, not even weird, but like, just, you know, just wake you up or disturb you out of your rhythm or whatever I'm saying. And for me, that used to happen. You're worried about all the time, bro. Like, you at home and, like, parents or somebody coming down and everybody's like, you know, people. You know her. Like, for me, subconsciously, I can hear it and I feel it. Like, people just walking on eggshells, like, trying to do everything the right way. And that shit just irritates me in the song because it's like.

It's crazy because, like, I'm not a. I'm not in particularly, like, picky like that. I get picky with shit like that when everybody expects me to be picky with them. I don't care. Like, just be you just go do whatever. Do whatever. Because now you're making me nervous. Like, I gotta be fucking overly anxious than I should be already. Like, bro, if I can relax.

You're making me nervous now.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, that's what I think about. And then obviously, obviously Scheffler is.

He's probably due for another one, but.

J.R. Smith
It says about time.

Stephen Malbon
But I think there's a cut.

It's a super event or whatever they call it.

J.R. Smith
The big rises.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, elevated. But there is a cut.

J.R. Smith
Well, that's good. I mean, I do mister cuts, though.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah.

J.R. Smith
Like, I do feel. I feel like they took away from that with whatever. Because I feel like cuts is such a big part of the game and it's like, no, bro, you should feel ashamed that you missed a cut. Like, don't get me wrong. Like, I want to see. I want to see certain players playing well on Saturday and Sunday, but not if you don't make the cut. And then out of some, like, are you just playing for shits and giggles? Like, nah, I don't want to see that. I don't want to see JT or somebody playing for 30th place.

Stephen Malbon
Yeah, they want to leave.

J.R. Smith
Yeah, like, let them. Let him. Like, come on, bro.

I keep the top 20 or top 15 there and make it more intimate.

Pack the course and, like, do make it more rider. Ryder cup stylish. There was not as many people on that many holes, so everybody gets to watch and see their favorite players.

Stephen Malbon
I wonder how the lives down in Houston. And so Scarface Brad, he, he played with DJ today. So I love that because him and DJ got clawed. You know, Claude coaches Floridian guys, right? So you got Scarface playing with DJ and then Brooks team with. With my man to book the smash team. They're doing a pop up with Bun B's, burger joint, Trill burgers or whatever, you know. So it's like I'm seeing all this. I'm like, this is great.

No diddy on another episode. So. So see you in Alpine on Monday.

We'll get Angie Martinez, CC rule, a whole bunch of people playing in that one. Yeah, Kevin's been stacking them up.

J.R. Smith
That should be an easy gift.

Stephen Malbon
We got the RV parked by the burger joint on the, on the 9th hole. And we'll just do like we did in Miami. So a lot of episodes coming up.

J.R. Smith
Perfect.

Stephen Malbon
Thank you, unified health, everybody. Stay right. World famous part three podcast.

See you our.

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