R4, HOLE 5: Spending The Day with Jason Day at Valhalla, Nelly Korda on a Tear, What Are Fans Most Into?, Sibling Rivalries on the Course

Junior Smith
Now that I think about just seeing the meme. The meme was, Jason Day doesn't miss leg day. And then somebody else is like, he doesn't. He also missed looking in the mirror or something like that.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah.

Junior Smith
And it's just like, bro, first of all, it's fit. It's fire. Yeah. It's like.

Stephen Malburn
It's fire.

Junior Smith
Okay, but what are you wearing on a golf course?

Stephen Malburn
Woody paparelli or something? Who tweeted that? The guy from swinging. The guy from the European Tour. And everyone's like, bro, you're not even in Kentucky.

Like, you missed the mirror. You missed the PGA Championship.

Junior Smith
You missed the whole plane ticket.

Yeah.

Stephen Malburn
Hello, everybody. Per usual, we would like to give a big, warm welcome to one of our favorite sponsors on earth, Topgolf, for bringing us peach ice cream in Augusta, Georgia. Thank you for all you do podcast.

Junior Smith
Let's fucking go, Stephen. Marvin.

Stephen Malburn
Oh, my goodness. Let's get right into it.

Somebody give me your fucking putter.

Poured the putty.

Junior Smith
Welcome back to another episode of the part three podcast. I am one of your hosts, Junior Smith. This is my co host, Stephen Malburn. Let's dive right back into it, man. PGA Championship. Steve, what's good, man? What you think?

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, all greened up like the.

Junior Smith
Like Valhalla last time I see you. He's at the master. So I figure I come through with the green this time.

Stephen Malburn
You know, what's been going on since the masters, man?

Junior Smith
Life, bro. I just commentated the PJ works and over at Sawgrass, and it was incredible. Watch those kids tear up. Sawgrass thought they were gonna shoot some numbers, and I seen kids light it up. Like, I think the winner was, like, three under, which is really good when you consider so aggressing the conditions. I know one of our females, she played incredible. She played incredible over there. Tori. She had a bad hole. Like, I think it was 16 and 18, and ended up, like, top eight or nine or something like that. And she was. She was winning it at one point, but she struggled a little bit. But overall, man, just been grinding, dude. You know, same old, same old. How about you?

Stephen Malburn
Oh, man. Seems like months ago.

Um, I did. I saw you. I turned on the tv randomly, and I just. I heard you and, like, uh, uh. Those other dudes.

Yeah, you and Doug. I heard Doug talking.

Junior Smith
You.

Stephen Malburn
I'm like, oh, shit, you're on that. You were on for hours, right?

Junior Smith
Yeah. What?

Stephen Malburn
Two, 3 hours?

Junior Smith
Yeah, 4 hours last day. The four, 4 hours last day. 3 hours the first day. It was dope, because I get to see behind, like, the scenes of it, and you can see how guys call the game and see what they see and to be what guys, you know, Doug and perksy and guys who actually played, and he perks. Want to play pga back in, what, 18, I think, or no. Oh, wait, I'm sorry. And, like, did they hear his opinions on what guys are doing, what's gonna happen on certain shots and then see it play out? It's just like, damn. Like, to me, it's like, okay, this is gonna be a tough shot to them. They'd be like, no, this is probably easier shot. And then you see these, like, now this is gonna be a tough shot to me. I'm like, this should be fairly easy. And what I see, it was just like, oh, oh. That's why it's hard. Okay. I see what you see now.

Stephen Malburn
And what do you think in your future?

You see it in your future, you would do it for, like, or whatever. You would. You could do it.

Junior Smith
Yeah, 100%. I think for me, more, like on course, like out there and walking. Walking with groups or something like that more and then being in the booth, but, yeah, I definitely can see that.

Stephen Malburn
You get a little rest coming at booth.

Junior Smith
Yeah, yeah. Get a little restless.

It's cold in there. They got the AC pumping. You know what I'm saying? I need to be outside, man. I'm coming for.

What's my guy?

Smiley? I'm coming for Smiley and bone.

Stephen Malburn
He's got a good one. Smiley's got a good job for sure. Let me think what I've been doing. I've been doing.

Junior Smith
You've been traveling, man. You be on the move, bro.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, I think I went to Korea. I went to Korea, got back.

I've been out in pebble a bit, and then I went to Valhalla. I went. Met Jason in Valhalla, and in Kentucky, we did a tournament, little buckets club joint on Monday, which was fun. This maniac yellow wolf showed up, and he played in the tournament. And I'll get the clip for this, but, you know, you could take the boy out of Bama, but you can't take Bama out of the boy. He picked up a giant snapping turtle and tried to kiss it on the head, on the top of her head. And as the time he's. He's going in to kiss it, it snapped his neck back and almost bit his ear off. And I got the footage. I was right on him. Oh, my. Dudes are wild. So it was like half people like wolf, and then half people like traditional Kentucky, you know, golfers. But it was great as a private course around the corner. We had like 140 of us. We played on Monday, and then I went, met Jason at his tour bus and got him all the gear for the week, hung out for a bit, and then went to dinner with the wave God at a little steakhouse in Kentucky. Kentucky is interesting. It's an interesting place, and I could kind of see the brewing of the shit show that was going on. I went out there Tuesday.

Really cool, though, to, I actually, I didn't have the right passes and such because the pass I have only works for the PGA Tour, but that's PG of America or something. So I'm like, yo, Jay, I don't really know what to do, you know, and he's like, just come over here and ride with us. They're not gonna say anything. Like, if you forgot, I won here. So it was insane to ride in with him. He's driving, and then we pull up, go in, you know, there's cops everywhere, and there's lanes of massive traffic. And then the pros go in the little middle lane, and you kind of know what to do, and. But it was cool to go in park. He has a little ex champions parking spot next to, like, john Daley and this one and that one. Everybody's names met the met Lucas Caddy, and then went in, got all the credentials, went into the play, you know, the clubhouse, the locker room, all that fun stuff, and just a great experience to ride in with him and, you know, get them all checked in and all that. And then walk out on the range, and we put him in this, this, this little new performance line we got. But it was, the color was digital lavender. That's what the color was.

Yeah, digital lavender. So I explained it to him. It was digital lavender. So we're walking out John Daley. John Daley's on him. Jay, come over here. Come over here, Jay. He's on the putting green, cutting across, and he runs over and he goes, man, you're looking sexy. Or says some shit to Jay and his kid.

He said, oh, it's digital lavender, mate. He's just anybody that would talk to him, he's throwing, oh, it's not a big deal. It's digital lavender.

Junior Smith
This isn't pink.

Stephen Malburn
This is digital lavender. I'm like, who is this guy? Max Homo was on him.

Junior Smith
You're my favorite.

Stephen Malburn
So that was a real cool experience. And then I walked the front nine with him.

The course is beautiful, huge property, no houses, just lush grass. Like. Like if I, you know, it's like, wet and. And just no carry really long course.

Tough to look at. Tee boxes, you know, with, like, marsh on the left, bunkers on the right. Gotta carry it far.

It definitely made me look at it, like, damn, this. This would be hard for me to be. To get comfortable, you know, out there.

Junior Smith
Right.

Stephen Malburn
But then seeing it, like I said, the shit show was beginning.

And then fast forward, you know, like watching.

Watching Scotty in the orange suit, you rocking all green. He's in all orange. Friday, they say.

Friday, orange. Like Sunday red. Friday, orange.

They got him. But I could imagine him pulling in and, like, you know, he won. He didn't know someone had passed away and got run over or whatever to volunteer.

Junior Smith
Yeah.

Stephen Malburn
So there was a heightened, you know, police presence or this, that and the other. But the cops were wearing these, like, yellow rain jacket things. And I'm sure when they were telling him, like, you know, no, don't go in the middle lane. Don't go in the middle lane. He's probably thinking, like, probably just the exact same that when we pulled in with Jay, it's like, no, that's for the. The guests. Like, we're in the tournament. Like, just go, like, don't. You don't have to stop. I'm playing in the tournament. And next thing you know, he, like, you know, they hemmed him up. He's in. He's in the clink and then comes out. I think he, what? Birdied the first hole. First hole back on Thursday, he eagled, knocked it in in the fairway. Starts with an eagle, and he goes to jail, gets released. They got him out really quick. Comes right out. Little shitty warm up. Just steps right up. Birdie's the first hole. I'm back.

Junior Smith
He's again.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, that was a cool to see.

Junior Smith
That's a hell of a story right there. Just to think, you. You in a cell in 1 minute. First of all, you just come off one in a green jacket.

Stephen Malburn
Then you have a baby, then you.

Junior Smith
Go, you wait a couple big tournaments, you have a baby, then you go to jail.

You go back out. Bernie out of jail, he's got a hell of a story going right now, man.

What'd you think of, like, just the scores that was being put up there? Cause it looked like, I mean, shafi finished at 21, I think. I feel like Shafly was 21, DeChambo is 20, Havlan was 18, Dietrich 15. Mark, how is 15? Like, they tore it up to think.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, I mean, it's five. You gotta be five under a round to lose.

You lose my one. If you're. If you shoot 67 four days in a row, you lose. So, I mean, golf's hard. You know, it just comes down to, like, even, like, seeing, like, Shane Lowry on third on Saturday. He went out and shot, like, 62 or something, but the dude was just making every putt. Like, there's no way you can shoot 710, you know, nine under.

You have to make every putt right. Cause they're all getting the opportunities. They're all hitting the fairways, they're hitting the greens. But it just. I think it really comes down to just making putts and, like, you know, I heard one time the dude said that he was, like, a, you know, a club champion plus five this, that. Another wit and tried to go get on the tour, and he was like, the pressure of knowing you have to make every putt inside a 15 foot.

It's just. Or you won't make the cut. Like, you can't make miss 115 footer, you know, and you get on the third hole, you miss a 15 footer for birdie, and it's like, fuck, I'm not gonna make the cut. It's over. I think it. Yeah, putting, putting. And then, you know, the new modern golf thing, it's like, just hit the ball as far as you can down there and deal with it. Right. And if you're in the rough, deal with it. Or if you're in the woods, deal with it. But, like, that'll.

Junior Smith
It's funny. I was going to say, do you think so? You think if they grow to, like, PGA and PGA, obviously the PGA masters, the open, and the British Open.

To me, I think, obviously, the British in the US automatically played, or the British and. And Augusta, I feel like, automatically just play harder than 90% of everywhere else they play. So just given those experiences, circumstances, I think those just automatically play harder. But, like, the PGA Championship, US Open is obviously the hardest as far as the rough, and I feel like the conditions, but I just feel like all the majors should be like that. A PGA championship, I think you should. The winner should be closer to, you know, seven or eight. Yeah. Yeah. You know, me just going out there shooting 67 four days in a row, and still, you know, I mean, not making it. Like. I feel like. Like, even like a Bay hill. You see how bay Hill. See how it's just a short course, but see how tough they make, the conditions. You hit in the rough, you're in jail, you damn near playing for bogey and a lot of these guys, you have that mindset to where you just bomb it down there and just get me close, and I get up and down. Worst comes the worst, but I've still got a great chance of making birdie.

Stephen Malburn
That's a different.

Junior Smith
That's a completely different way of looking at and playing golf opposed to knowing I cannot put this ball in the rough.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, there's no consequences. Right. It's like, there's no consequences to hitting bad shots if you just blow, you know? And again, it's like, you know, like I said, looking on my. In my. In my mind, I'm thinking back to, like, I don't know, number three or so, and it's like dead left, but right's okay. So just hit it as hard as you can down the right. And even if you're in the rough, who gives a shit? Now, you only got 130 yards in out of the rough. The dudes can hit that shot all day long, you know, but if you miss left. So I think. I think, yeah. Like, it's tough to spin a wedge.

Junior Smith
Out of the rough from 100 3140 than it is to hit a six iron to eight or nine.

Stephen Malburn
And those pins, like, okay, so the members have to play there. They don't hit it as far right, so you can tuck the pin on, like, you know, the member member tees or the, like, club championship tees where you put the tee. I mean, you put the green, the pins in the hardest places possible. Right. So, yeah, if you're hitting a four iron in and you tuck the pin back right over the bunker and there's death over the pin, you have to hit it in the middle of the green and two putt and get a par. You take birdie, unless it's a lucky, long ass birdie putt that goes in, but you can't really go at it. But those pros hit it so far that they can hit nine iron high to the moon over the bunker and stop it and make birdie. So, like, that's the difference, is that they can get to the hard pins, which would be hard for your normal golfer. It's not hard for the pros because they're, you know, you. You fly a four iron into the hard green, it's gonna bounce and go off the back of the green. If you get too, too greedy with it, those pros just send it high and stop it, and it's like another birdie.

Yeah.

Junior Smith
So in.

Because you run. You run. You. Obviously a successful business. In business. Is it better for. Because looking at, like, the NBA model or, like, the baseball model or the NFL model, like, you see people are trying to gravitate towards the higher scores and in these. In these different professional sports leagues. So do you think. Do you think that the PGA is like, the people want to see more birdies and eagles or don't set it up as hard?

Or is it mainly on, you know, the course and the quote?

Stephen Malburn
I think that. I don't know really the right. I don't know the answer. I think that there's something with it where the viewer must like it when there's a lot of birdies and there's a lot of eagles and this, that and the other. But, like, that's probably for your, like, less, you know, lower iq of golf. I personally enjoy it when it's like, you know, they've made Pinehurst this year. I was at Pinehurst a few months back, and they were saying they're letting all the fairways die.

So the fairways are dormant, dark, khaki, no grass fairways, and then it's Pinehurst so sandy, you know, dunes, wasteland, pine straw over top of sand all over the place. But they're making the fairways rock hard.

So your ball won't stay in the fairway. You're gonna hit a perfect drive, and you end up 1ft in the shit, every hole. But they're doing it purposely. So me, I appreciate the person who can grind through it and get four under and win the tournament more than I do 24 under.

And it's just kind of like.

It's almost boring. It's just like, oh, great. He shot eight under. Eight under. Eight under. It's like, damn. And then. And then it's like, for. It doesn't.

It doesn't clunk. Well, it's like, you know, even Xander shot a, you know, course record first day, so he's already uncatchable in a sense. Like, once you already start off nine under or whatever the hell he started off with, it's like, all he's got to do is shoot four under. The next three days, he's going to win the tournament. No one can catch him. So I don't like that. Yeah. And then they, you know, people were complaining that the course that there wasn't. I like the masters, where we were in, like, I like the fact that those last few holes, like, people can make doubles, triples, you know, the tournament can flip at any second, where it seems to me like even at Quail hollow, like, they get so far ahead that it's just like, I don't like when the, you know, 90% of the field is out of it, and then 10%, you know, there's six guys, and it's going to be one of those six, but it seems like a lot of Sundays when you turn it on, it's like, you know, even, I think, quail hollow, it was like, only Xander or Rory. There was no one else. So it's almost watching a two person match, and then Rory just blew him out, came out one behind left, seven up or something.

Junior Smith
Right?

Stephen Malburn
So it's just. It's. I love when, like, you know, when Tiger won the Masters the last time, there was like.

Like, Tony was in the mix. There was. There was like eight of them in the mix. It could have been any one of those eight could have won that tournament coming into the last three holes, you know? And so I think it needs more climax of, like, you know, when they hit those shots at the Masters and the ball spins off the green, right? And it's like, oh, and then they got a drop. Remember, Jordan Spieth was winning it one year, and he just hit three in the creek, and it's like, it's just that hard where I don't think Valhalla was, that there weren't chances for, like, triples.

Those pros are just too good. Hit it far.

Get it up near the green. Even if you missed the green, either get up and down or worst case, bogey.

You know, I didn't see a lot of doubles and triples, but, like, that. That, uh, at the gust of those greens are so hard. So it just makes me think, like, you know, when they're, like, pulling the ball back and making the pros play with a ball that doesn't go as far or something or another, it's like, why don't you just make courses that are harder?

That can be harder. So that's the thing. Like, then it's like, well, if you make it too hard, then the members don't know what to do with themselves, right. So you got to have pens that are nuts. You can make the fairways smaller. You can let the rough grow up. You can let the rough grow in. You can. You know, there's shit you can do.

Junior Smith
Cut the greens faster.

Stephen Malburn
Make the greens lightning fast.

Junior Smith
Yeah. Mean, instead of running 14, shit, let it. Let them run 16s.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah. That's like Pinehurst. They do in the fairways. That way. They're doing it. The Pinehurst number two, the greens are like turtle shells, right?

There's spots you cannot stop the ball.

Junior Smith
You just can't make it.

Stephen Malburn
No. You just can't get up and down. Or like, you have like a 1 yd chance if it stops. If not, it's coming off the front or it's going off the back or it's going to go left or it's going to go right and it's going to go all the way off the green, probably down into some pine straw. So, like, Pinehurst number two, when they make that thing hard, you know, it's built for a US Open. It's not a private country club that's built for the 300 members that every few years they get a tour event.

Right?

I mean, even Pebble beach when they do the US Open there, it's like the weather, it's windy as shit. It's rainy, it's windy. The greens are teeny. You know, the rough gets high. It's like it's, it gets hard quick.

Junior Smith
Yeah.

Stephen Malburn
But, yeah, I don't know, I think it's a. The non experienced golfer probably wants more birdies and eagles, but I think I personally like to see him just get pounded. Just golf can be so cruel. I like to see him deal with the elements.

Junior Smith
Yeah. I mean, I think for not only just viewership, but like, for authentic authenticity of the game. It's not an easy sport and they just make it look too easy.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah.

Junior Smith
You know, and you see 21 to 23, 22 under, just say, oh, bro, this is like, this is, this is a joke.

Like this game, the game they're playing and this for somebody else to go out there who's even, even a plus two, plus three isn't gonna go out there and shoot 67 four days in a row.

No, this is not gonna happen. And that, and that's on a members placement, not even, like, not even a tour level caliber, you know? But what, and again, it goes to show you a credit of them being that good, but at the same time, is it, is it likable from a viewership standpoint? Like, for me, like, I don't want to, I don't want to watch a turn, like you were saying. I don't want to watch somebody show 21, 22 under. I want to see somebody finish, like, and then thick of it, four or five under, like possible, you know, eight, eight guys in the mix and we got a chance to go into extra holes.

Stephen Malburn
You know, I think quail hollow was interesting. Like the green mile. Funny. So I was on the, I was on the bus with, with Jay and, uh, so he shot like, you know, like five under.

Five under. Something was doing great. Goes out on, on Saturday and he's five over.

Going on to 1212 or 13. He's five over. He ended up turning it around and making three, four birdies coming in and getting them back into a good position where he got 4th, 4th place for the, for the tournament where Rory won it.

But I was like, I was talking to this caddy about it. He's like, dude, we, we didn't really hit bad. We just missed a few putts. Hit one, two bad chips, blocked the drive. Next thing you know, we're five over after twelve holes. It's like he didn't do that much. It's not like he just was like, shanking it all over the place. Like when. My bad, his bad is like, you barely miss here. You try to hit it four foot left of the pin, you hit it six foot left of the pin and it goes down a hill. You know, just little shit barely off equals five over. So I said, what? To Jay, what the fuck was, what were you thinking when you're five over and you obviously turned it around and got back to like one over for the day or even or some shit. He's like, well, I mean, I couldn't leave.

Like, I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't leave. So, like, but like, you know, golf is. It's like, first spot is like, it's like you and your tournament, you know?

Junior Smith
You know me.

Stephen Malburn
You fucking send it over after the front nine, it's like, I might as well leave just getting a whip, call it a day. He's like, I couldn't leave. So I just, you know, fuck, I.

Junior Smith
Had to play a lot, bro.

I can't tell you how many times I scheduled 18 to go play, and I walked off of nine and said, yeah, I'm gonna go to the range or I'm going home.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, because it doesn't help.

Junior Smith
No, I'm 14 over after nine holes.

Why am I gonna go play the back?

I clearly need to be going to the range.

I clearly need to go to the chipping area.

Stephen Malburn
Call yourself, man.

Junior Smith
Why do I put myself through this every fucking day?

Stephen Malburn
That's what he said. He said I just grinded it out. He's like, four birdies through the green mile was insane, you know? But, like, even for, like, remington, when Remy gets like, you know, when he's any of us, you, me, whoever, when you're playing bad, it's like, it takes a lot to be able to flip that right when you're 14 over on the front nine. And you got to keep going. And you're like, all right, one good shot can get me back in it. Like, one good shot. Next thing you know, and it's the tale of two nines, right? It's amazing, this game. You can shoot ten over on the front, be ready to quit golf forever.

You know, have a. Have a snack at the turn, get on the 10th tee, strike one, and shoot two under on the back.

Junior Smith
I can't. And within saying that same sentiment, I can't say how many times I went and shot 44 36 or 44 35 or 44 37. I was just like, where the fuck was that?

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, it's tough when you. A lot of players will do, like, really good Thursday, really good Friday, and then they go out Saturday, and it's like, I got it. I got to do good today. I got to do good. It's moving day. I can get in contention. And then they play like shit Saturday, and then Sunday, they're out of it anyway, and they got nothing to lose, and they go play really good on Sunday. It's like, yeah, you're already out of the tournament. So it's like, pressure.

Junior Smith
Where's the pressure?

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, pressure is insane.

You know, Remington just played his championship for his middle school. The.

Junior Smith
Just when you posted that. Yeah.

Stephen Malburn
So he had been playing. He's played tournaments before by himself. So when he plays bad, he gets in the car with me and he goes, dad, I play bad. Like, it's over. I need to practice. But that's it. When you're on a middle school team and you got your whole school going to talk about how you played, and you're playing for your guys, and they only took four to the championship. So he's, you know, number four. He's in 6th grade. It's six, 7th, 8th. So he's the fourth player that made the team.

And then there's like, I don't know, four others that didn't make the team, that had to stay home. Cause Remy made it. So the pressure, dude, he's on the first tee. He's like, I can't feel my hands. I can't feel my hands. I'm like, what? He's like, I can't tee the ball up. I can't feel the tee. He's like, I'm like, oh, shit, here we go. And then he couldn't breathe. He couldn't catch his breath. Then this dude on his team was using tactics of, you know, would walk up to him. How many points did you get that hole. Just. Just doing dumb shit. Stand behind him, squat behind him when he's putting. Watch the read. Just doing stuff. That's. That's was part of his tactic. Cause he wanted to beat Remy, you know? So this guy had a little game plan, and then Remy fell for all that shit. Next thing you know, Remy, if I see him outside and golf, I'm socking him in the face. Like, dude, it's the second hole. You're twelve. Like, call down. We're all right, bro. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. What?

Junior Smith
He was having a panic attack.

Stephen Malburn
He was. All of that shit was happening. And, like, again, like, you don't. The only way to do it is to do it. So, like, seeing those pros go.

Junior Smith
Yeah.

Stephen Malburn
Like, it was wild watching him. But the good thing is he ended up. Their team got second place. They lost by one.

And had he won, he wanted to practice 4 hours yesterday, going to practice 4 hours today. Signing up for tournaments. Like, he hates losing. It's almost better that he lost by one, because then it's just like, he must have three putted four times.

If he two putts one of those, his team wins.

It's like, just looking back at it, he's like, he came home, he's sitting in the house.

Junior Smith
That's the worst.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah. He's like, I'm depressed. He's like, I'm depressed. I'm like, what? He's like, I'm just depressed. I never want to have this feeling again, like, well, buddy, you got two options. Quit or practice.

I can't help you. It's on you.

Junior Smith
That's it. It's up to you.

I need some advice about golf. Either quit or practice.

Stephen Malburn
I don't know what to tell you. It's a cruel ass sport. It'll just. Every time you hit the ball good motherfucker would plug it up in a bunker. Just.

Junior Smith
That's the realest advice a dad could ever give his kid.

Stephen Malburn
Like, taught you.

Junior Smith
Dad, this is hard. Oh, yeah? Well, either quit or fucking practice.

Stephen Malburn
It's no easy.

It's no easier for swish. Jason, day five over. After ten holes.

Junior Smith
Pick another sport, man.

Take up pottery.

Stephen Malburn
Start doodling, homie. But golf, I can't help you, man.

Junior Smith
Bro. Talk about talking about kids. And I got. Obviously, I got a lot of girls, so. Thinking about the women's game.

Nelli. Everybody's talking about Scotty. Nellie is on the tear.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, she's great.

And she went to the Met gala.

Junior Smith
And she went to the Met in between. No, big.

It looked great.

Stephen Malburn
Went with Casey Wasserman.

Junior Smith
What a flash.

Stephen Malburn
She looked gorgeous, right? Makeup, hair, dress. Like the only other golfer I think that's probably ever gone was tiger. And he went when he was with that olympian skier chick.

Junior Smith
Oh.

Stephen Malburn
The blonde.

Junior Smith
Lindsey Vaughn.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, he, I think he went with Lindsey Vaughn. But since then, no one's gone. No one whatever. And like, so obviously Nellie corders on Wasserman. Casey Wasserman.

Junior Smith
Shit. They might have my boy j day there next year, dog. Oh, no.

J Drip.

J Drip. Got to throw a ball. Bar suit on. Exactly.

Stephen Malburn
But she looked great. She played good. You know, she has the same coach. I met her for the first time. I mean, I've obviously been around her a bunch and, you know, say little highs or whatever, walking by. But I met her first time properly at the Palace Verde's LPGA tournament in LA because her coach is my friend.

He's the co, he's the head pro or the director of golf or something of Virginia Country Club in Long beach. And he trains only two people, her and Patrick Cantley.

So he's doing great.

Junior Smith
Yeah.

Stephen Malburn
And he's. He jumped. I saw him jump in the little lake when she won.

Junior Smith
Remember?

Stephen Malburn
They all jumped in.

Junior Smith
Yeah, jumped in the lake.

Stephen Malburn
Cannonball.

Junior Smith
Oh, yeah.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah. It's amazing. Again, like, I think even when we had, when we had Gigi on the show, we were talking about how like, they're all the same in college, give or take. And then like, you know, she went straight to the pros and like, her sister, or her sister, right? Jessica and Nelli, there are two of them. Like, Nelly's just better, right? One of them is really, really good and one of them is great.

But Nellie, man, yeah, she's, she's different.

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Junior Smith
It's funny because I was. Had this conversation with my lady before about having, like, that sibling rivalry, and, you know, I was telling her about Brooks's brother and telling about Nellie, and we obviously talk about Steph and Seth and Brooke and Robin Lopez and, like, just having that sibling rivalry. Do you think that.

Do you think that helps or do you think that hinders kids? It's like, for me, I think it helped because I understood the level of competition on understanding, like, beating my older brother or beating my younger brother is way more impactful and important to me than beating somebody outside the house.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah.

Junior Smith
And I kind of learned how to compete the right way, I would say. You know, I mean, fortunately, none of my brothers were, like, really, like, cheaters in that sense, but, like, you learn a healthy way of competing, to me, yeah.

Stephen Malburn
I mean, it has to help when it comes to, like, practicing and having each other, you know, and, like, you and your brother being able to play basketball out back at your house, like, you don't need to ask somebody to play with, you know what I mean? You were gonna get more out of grinding. And then there's obviously, like, the competition wise, like, you know, like, Luciano just started doing lessons, right? And his goal is to beat Remy one day. Boy, I told him Remy's goal is to never, ever, ever let you beat him. I can tell you that, like, his goal is to never let you win a hole, let alone a match.

Junior Smith
That's gonna be his. That's gonna be his goal. Even if he wins the masters, bro, that's not gonna be as important.

Stephen Malburn
Let my brother beat me ever. So, like, on Nellie and Jessica, it has to help, I think Nellie, I'm not sure. Probably the younger one of the two. And it probably helps the young one more than the old one, if I had to think about it, because the young ones always trying to beat the older one. The older ones just, like, probably doesn't have to practice as hard because they're older, where the little one's gonna have to fucking put in the work or they're not gonna beat their older brother or sister, you know, so probably helps the younger one more.

Junior Smith
Yeah. Hundred percent. I was watching that on, um, what's the golf show?

Stephen Malburn
The full swing.

Junior Smith
Full swing with Fitzpatrick, brother. Yeah. And when they're planned, they open and low, brother fit. Like, you know, for me, it's like, for me, I never played. I played my brothers so many times, one on one. And my older brother used to beat me until I got to about we play. I think our last game was like, I was like, 6th grade, and then we played again when I was, like, in 9th grade, and I destroyed him. And after that, it was like, you got a chance. And my youngest brother, well, my younger brother, we play one on one a lot, and he beat me in a spot. So we always put, like, five or seven spots, but you got to score five points at each spot. Five or seven, depending on how many points we go into. You got to play, score five or seven spots to get to the next spot. He beat me probably, like two, maybe three spots in our lifetime.

And when I tell you, it's still, like, I can. Every time we're around, like, we talk basketball, I can still see it burns him up, but he don't know how much these three spots burn me up. Like, bro, I should never let him win a spot. Like, even. Even in my. I'm fucking around and da da da da. And fish shooting fadeaways. I'm just like, damn, gotta get that back.

Stephen Malburn
He's not gonna forget it neither.

Junior Smith
No, but, hell no. But, you know, it's also, I took him out to play golf with me for the first time in, like, couple years. And we played the other day down at Turnberry play with Ray and a few of our buddies.

And I could see him, like, really light up because he plays. He started golfing before I did. He started playing. He was like, I was 14, he was twelve. He would go. He would, like, go on play tournaments and shit, come on with trophies and shit, my bro. You fucking play golf like fucking nerd.

Fucking nerd.

And, you know, I didn't. He took a real long time away from the game. Now it's probably like 15 years, maybe 20, just pursue a hoop and stuff like that. But finally getting him back into the game and I can really see where he loves it and where he's, like, really trying to get good again and. And, you know, bringing it back and sparking his interest is, like, really dope. Because now we again, we have that thing to where we can compete against one another again because we don't play. But, I mean, I don't hoop anymore. He don't hoop no more. So it's like, you know, how can we still be competitive within having that relate, you know, brotherly love. You give them strokes.

I gotta give him strokes. I'll give him like a stroke of hole right now. Maybe two.

Stephen Malburn
Maybe.

Junior Smith
Yeah, he swings hard, bro.

He think I swing fast. These swings fast.

Yeah.

Can't keep it on a planet Earth, though. That's the only. That's the only thing. So right now I'm in my glory because I know he can't catch me. But if he works on it, I know he. He has the talent to get to where he can fucking. He can put up a number.

Stephen Malburn
How Ray play? Ray beat you.

Junior Smith
I ended up on an overall game. He beat me. I beat him with his side bets. So I ended up winning $75.

Stephen Malburn
There we go.

Junior Smith
Closer to the pin, you know, out drives here and there, you know. Overall score, though, he beat me in our match.

Sound good, though? I'm working on it.

Stephen Malburn
And I love Auggie, the starter.

Junior Smith
The starter at Turnberry. He's the best.

Auggie and rich, man. They the dude, man, look after that spot.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, Augie loves it. He's good. He just went by our shop down there and got some gear and such.

Love, August. So what we do, we're doing, uh, Alpine, you coming?

Junior Smith
Alpine, I'll be there.

Stephen Malburn
You already be in Jersey, so you just.

Junior Smith
Yes, sir. I'm going up there Saturday, actually.

Stephen Malburn
And then. And then potentially go down to Pinehurst directly from Jersey for the open, sir.

Junior Smith
Probably drive down. It's only, what, 7 hours?

Stephen Malburn
You drive the pickup truck that big.

What truck is it? Is we were rocking in his truck out in Georgia.

Junior Smith
GMC Sierra 3500. Good old boy.

Stephen Malburn
That's a good old boys. They don't know what's happening in that shit. Ten it out.

Junior Smith
You know what's funny, man? What I love about pickups, they never bother you in pickups. Yeah, you can go 10 miles over, they won't bother you. But if you're in a car and you're going 10 miles over, it seems like you're going so much faster. And they like, they whoop you every time. Yeah, they see the pickup, they're like, oh, he's just. He's just trying to get the work. Yeah, he's trying to get. He's going. He got to get to the job.

I got to get to my job. All right. Tea times that 915.

Stephen Malburn
Long day long drink. The finished long drink, obviously. Peach flavor in Augusta, Georgia.

Cheers.

So you got any more of the commentary situations brewed up? How's that happen? It comes to excel. How's that happen?

Junior Smith
Excel? Yeah, came through Excel.

But you know what? I met the guy at the PGA show, so. Went to that PGA show. I met the head of the PGA, Seth. I met him, his guys, and all the head guys over there in Frisco, and they kind of like, you know, trying to figure out, for one if I was good enough to make the championships for my team. But if I wasn't, how could I make an impact? So I came up with that, and I didn't even really think I would be into it because I've been. They'd be asking me to do a lot of NBA stuff, but no, no, it just seems. That space to me just seems toxic in a sense, you know? Like, I don't want to talk bad about players and stuff like that. Like, and unfortunately, what we do with this, it's like, we don't. We're not bashing anybody. We give our. What? Yeah, we'll give our opinions, but it's not like we're criticizing someone's carry or. Yeah, weak, bro. Yeah. When you start doing that, it's like, it's not about the game anymore. It's more about the show of it. And for me, is like, I don't care about the show. I don't care about that. Like, even when people ask me, oh, man, do you miss it? It's like, I miss practice.

Yeah, I miss practices. I missed the locker rooms. I missed hanging out in the training rooms with some of the dudes shooting shit and, like, that part of it, but, like, the whole show aspect of it, like, even playing the games, I used to think about it, like, it was such a. A spectacle that you. And it was almost not about winning, you know? And for me, once you take that out of a competitor, it's just like, what is it? What are we doing?

Why am I here? You know? And for me, it's just.

Stephen Malburn
I think golf needs it, you know, needs it just as much. It's like, you know, they just basically the.

Right. You're trying to attract new people to the game, so they say.

And then, right.

They're basically just like three dudes poking fun at people.

You know, what they're wearing, what they look like, talking about this. It's the same shit. It's become.

It's become toxic where it's like, you know, and I'm just looking at it from my point of view, but, like, you know, you got one dude, Jason day, rocking something a little different, and then they're just bashing him, bullying him, clowning them, teasing them, you know, and all of that. And it's like, well, dude, what about. What about the dude that lives in San Bernardino who's thinking about golfing, but he's nervous because he doesn't think he's welcomed.

Well, he was gonna play, and now he's like, nah, I was right. These dudes don't want me out there. You know what I mean? So there needs to be another level of like, yeah, you gotta love golf. You got to understand it, you know? But you're not the exact same as the other 40 commentary. You know, you got ESPN plus doing live with, you know, they do the featured groups, right? There's just so many people. You talking about it. I love the dude, the ESPN caddy. He's great, Mike.

Junior Smith
Oh, man. Yeah, he's great.

Stephen Malburn
But there just needs to be more voices and, like, show that it's not just one cookie cutter Paul Azinger or whoever, you know, Brando.

Brando talking. It's just like, well, we know what you think.

Junior Smith
I get it, I get it, I get it.

Stephen Malburn
We know your point of view.

Junior Smith
Right?

Stephen Malburn
We know it. Right. But, like, in order to spread it out a bit and even for the women's, like, having you talk for LPGA, like, it's refreshing.

It's refreshing to think of, like, it's exciting on where we are today and where what the media changes are gonna go through over the next five years. Right? They're taking in money, tigers negotiating for the Pif, or, you know, all this stuff's happening. They're making it a for profit business for the first time. So there is gonna need to be some shake up on the media side. But right now, it's just so, you know, the apparel sides is shaking it up, the tournaments are shaking it up, the pro ams are shaking it up. Live shaking it up. There's a lot of things shaking it up.

Junior Smith
Yeah, I think I agree with that, man. It's just so much. We want to grow the game. We want to grow the game is like, do you really want to? Because it seems like you're hindering it and want to keep it the way it was or been. It was, for me, certain traditions, like the masters or something like that, is like, okay, cool, no problem.

Not trying to change everything, but there's certain barriers that need to be broken down and opened up to where it's more acceptable for everybody to play and feel like they can play.

You know, some people don't want to be private. Course, you know, membership type of people. Some people want to be muni guys, and they have the money to join privates. They just want to be muni people.

Stephen Malburn
Not judged, because the judging is you can do what you want there, and you don't have to feel weird. Yeah, it's tricky, but it's cool where, like, I just went down and played.

It's a good experience. I left Kentucky. That was very Kentucky. I flew to Arizona, Scottsdale. I played with this dude Ben, who owns Silverleaf. Ben's like, 38 years old, right? He's not even 40.

He's a wild elephant print truck.

Junior Smith
He got the elephant print cart.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah, he's got two bags on his cart. So I said, I played with him and, like, three, four baseball dudes. I said, why you got two bags on there? He's like, so nobody tries to ride with me.

The best answer ever. I just keep two bags on so nobody tries to hop into my cart. But, yeah, he shot 66 seven or something in flip flops t shirt, you know, rocking Jordan cargo shorts.

It's as different as it could be, but it's the same as with, like, discovery pro. It's like the shit is changing, you know? Like, you can wear what you want to wear. It's like, you pay that amount of money. Like, don't tell me what to wear. I'm gonna wear a t shirt. Like, what does it matter?

Junior Smith
I was gonna say to that credit, it's changing, but it's changing for somebody who's gonna spend 500,000 on the membership, 20,000 a year, and dues, like, a change for them.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah. And then the other places, like Braemar country club in LA, it's like, not changing. They think, oh, we pay 40 grand to join. And, like, you should do XYZ.

Junior Smith
Take your hat off when you come inside. It's just like, you gotta wear the five pockets and no shorts. Like, bro.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah. I just heard with Augusta that they. For the. For the. For the masters, you can kind of get away with wearing, you know, stuff like joggers. But they have a new rule at Augusta. Like, if you go play and, you know, we're gonna get invited eventually. No five pocket pants, no joggers, no hoodies on property.

And it's like, it's cool, I guess. It's your house. You make the rules to your crib. It's fine. I'll go out there and not wear five pocketers. But, like, it's just weird when people put the level of, like, you really a five pocket, like, four pocket pants are okay, but five pocket pants isn't. So that little ass pocket on the right side, the little teeny pocket in there you can't wear. It's like, what the fuck even notices that pocket? Like, I don't even notice that pocket.

Junior Smith
What fits in that pocket? Ball? Markers?

Stephen Malburn
I mean, the dime.

Junior Smith
Seriously, like, what. What are you supposed to like, what is it? What are you fitting in that pocket that you guys so hindered is that you can't bring it in?

Stephen Malburn
I think they think it's too close to denim, you know, and it's just like, all right, I guess, guys, we won't wear those pants. But, like, it seems like there's bigger issues in the world than four or five pocket slacks.

Junior Smith
Yeah.

Stephen Malburn
You know, and I think that's golf in a nutshell. Sometimes they get so caught up on the four or five pocket pants, it's just like, buddy, you. You turn on the news lately, there's, like, a lot it matters.

Junior Smith
Don't talk funny. Now I think about it. Now that I think about just seeing the meme. The meme was Jason Day did. Doesn't miss leg day. And then somebody else is like, he doesn't. He also missed looking in the mirror or something.

Yeah, just like, bro, first of all, it's fire. Yeah, it's like, it's fire. Okay, but what are you wearing on a golf course.

Stephen Malburn
Or something? Who tweeted that? The guy from.

The guy from the European Tour. And everyone's like, bro, you're not even in Kentucky.

Like, you missed the mirror. You missed the PGA Championship.

Junior Smith
You missed the whole playing ticket.

Yeah.

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Junior Smith
Three so, real quick, what's your predictions for the Ryder cup? What you got?

Stephen Malburn
I don't know how you don't put Brooks on there. Brooks is the best, dude. You see him throw the ball to that kid and then the fucking adult snatched it. He got tight. He went right at him. No, no, no.

Brooks is great. I mean, I don't know how. I don't. I don't know. Really. I don't know. I don't even know any. I don't. I don't know enough about it.

I'd hate it if it was the same team as it was in Italy.

Junior Smith
Yeah. You know what I mean?

Stephen Malburn
I think they need to rethink it a little bit.

I don't like that they didn't have keegan on it.

I don't like that they didn't have Brooks on it.

You know, putting in your homies, the guys that are friends with this dude, Zach, plus Zack kind of, you know, he's the one that was cussing at the patrons. He told that patron to go fuck himself in Georgia.

I don't know how he's even got a job. I hope he's not doing it again, man.

Junior Smith
Yeah, says he is.

Says.

I mean, I think we got. The firepower is just.

I don't know, man. I think they got our number again.

Stephen Malburn
Even in. Even in New York.

I think New York's going to help.

Junior Smith
I think New York is definitely going to help. But, like, if we don't, at the end of the day, I think it's all about matchups. If we match up right and pick the right people to go up against the right people, I think it'll be all right. But if we do a lackluster job of who's playing when against who, man, we're in for date. I hate to think I'm getting. They got some sticks, dude.

And not like. And, like, battle tester sticks. It's one thing to be able to, like, you know, if you got a lead and, you know, keep the lead and all that, but if you, like, I'm talking about guys who, like, literally came back from behind one. Like, one in extra holes. Like, been in dog fights one.

Stephen Malburn
Yeah.

Junior Smith
Big matches, like Ryder Cup, President cups, like BMW, like real live match play dudes.

Stephen Malburn
And, I don't know, they got, like, more grit. They got a little more grit and heart or something and, like, they don't want. The other dudes are like, I'm rich, right?

Junior Smith
It's like the pride.

Stephen Malburn
What do I care, motherfucker?

Junior Smith
I'm playing in the masters, bro.

And you at home, too. It's like, bro, this is home field advantage. Like, come on.

Stephen Malburn
Well, it was wonderful speaking here this morning, catching up, my man. I'm gonna see you in Jersey, North Carolina. Oh, we're also heading out to play whistling straights with the Kohler gang. I know I sent you all of that stuff, so I'll see you before long. And all of our wonderful followers and fans, we love you. We will see you next time.

Salute.

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