Flying High In Colorado - Did Julio Get His Groove Back? Meet at the Mitt Podcast

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John Trupin

Thank you all for meeting me at the Mitt. My name is John Truepen. I am the deputy managing editor@lookoutlanding.com. And this is the meet at the Mitt podcast brought to you by the good folks@lookoutlanding.com. I am joined this fine day by two of my compatriots at lL, ready to dive into the as of this recording, first place Seattle Mariners tied for first place Seattle Mariners.

Are they over 500? No. Are they, you know, consistently playing at a high level? No, but they are doing just as well or poorly as the rest of the AL west or better. And that is not too bad a place to be given what we've seen so far.

Here to give some analysis and some discussion is Grant Bronston, staff writer at lookout landing.com. Grant, how are you finding things this, this first place morning? I mean, it's, it's hard to argue when you've got a double header coming up against the Colorado Rockies. I feel like that is as good of a baseball day as any team could potentially have, minus the weather. But we don't have to deal with the snow, so fine by me.

Yeah, I'm trying to think of what the like sort of, you know, average person, the yeoman equivalent of being in first place while having a 500 record is. I'm not quite sure what the equivalency is there, but I agree it's a good place to be staring for looking forward to games against the Rockies, that is for sure. Evan, we, we are also joined by Evan James, our audio engineer. And Evan, we got to see one game, one on Saturday after the snow, rain, weather out on Friday. Did you have expectations, and I guess from either of you, do you have expectations coming into the series at Coors this year?

And what was your first impression of the Colorado Rockies of 2024? Well, my first impression was, and this is a controversial take, I kind of like their uniforms, the ones with the emerald green on them, the mountains. I think they look pretty slick. So as far as giving them a compliment, the uniforms are immaculate. That being said, I like it better when the Rockies lose to the Mariners.

Evan James

And yesterday I got exactly what I wanted. They look really bad. They look. I don't know if they look as bad as the A's last year, but they look like a generationally bad rocky squad. And so I'm very pleased that we get to play two more against them.

A nice doubleheader to put us over 500, put us further on the first place lead here on a Sunday. I'm all about that. So I'm feeling great. Yeah, I think prior to the season, we did our season prediction list, and I believe one of my write ups, one of my predictions for the league was either the Rockies would give up a historic number of home runs or at the very least, that they would be a historically bad pitching staff. And I'll be honest, you know, that just a full olay on a ball from Jonathan, class A, that was, you know, basically just kind of a ground ball to the outfield doesn't, you know, can't really be attributed to the Rockies pitching staff too much, but managing to give up as many runs as they did on one of the most.

John Trupin

The ball simply is not carrying days you'll ever see at course field. I think it's pretty indicative of, of what the Colorado Rockies are bringing to the table this year. I feel like this offseason, I remember reading a piece about Chris Bryant in the athletic, like, oh, Chris Bryant knows his first couple years were tough, but, man, he's, he's ready. He's on a mission, and, you know, maybe isn't that happy about signing in Colorado, but he's figuring it out. Chris Bryant, in case you're keeping track at home, is hitting 149 with a 273 on base and 255 slugging and is on the IL right now.

Grant Bronston

So that, I think, is pretty indicative of how it's going, is there was, like, the tiniest, not even any real tiny amount of optimism. There was at least not horrible pessimism going into the season. And then it's gotten worse. It was really extraordinary because by my recollection, one of the, and this is a little bit of a, this is punching down a little more than I tend to like to. I recognize I've, I've begun the flurry, but, um, you know, if I recall correctly, part of it was Chris Bryant outlining maybe that he didn't really, like, understand where the Rockies were at, or he was pretty easily, you know, miss, he did not do a lot to counter in, you know, misinformation vis a vis where the Rockies organization was at before signing there.

John Trupin

Now, I'm pretty confident they offered him significantly more money and years. And, you know, fair play to you, Chris. That's, you know, it's a pretty chill place to live and be paid for seven years. But, my goodness, a tough, a tough go with things there. Yeah.

Grant Bronston

I think the exact quote he used was, I guess I didn't do as much research into the prospects as I could. I think the last time I heard that sentence was Jack Z saying it on at some point, or at least that was his internal monologue. Oh, well, that bodes well. Yeah, real, a real, you know, I think we talk sometimes about a little bit of challenge with folks doing their own research. In this case, Chris, you could have done your own research or asked almost anybody to do some research, but we are, you know, I mean, obviously hoping that the double header ahead goes promisingly.

John Trupin

But I have to say, I've gotten to watch every Mariners game in the past week, I think, and I'm not, I'd like to hear from y'all, but it really has been, you know, since the iPad game or whatever, whatever the approach from the Mariners offensively has felt night and day, and I can't, I don't want to give them too much credit, just as, you know, like, we try and temper it a little bit when they were so atrocious out of the gate and it was a little bit challenging, but, like, almost every out, it feels like they've almost every single game since. Since that shift or whatever, that they've gotten the starting pitcher to, like, 50 pitches through two innings. Right. I mean, it has been a dramatic shift in approach and also getting the results. Yeah, I think working the count there just goes such a long way.

Grant Bronston

You know, it. One tricky thing, though, I was trying to be much more optimistic early on as things were bad because it's baseball, it's a long season, and I'm also trying to temper expectations now of, yeah, they've been great the last week. That's also like, you know, they've. They've won four games in a row. We're not talking about anything, like, setting the world on fire for.

For a month or two. Um, so, so I think at the end of the day, like, I am excited. I think that the improved approach hopefully means they're not pressing too much. Um, but the biggest thing is just the pitching, right. The starting pitching is just so good right now and combining, seeing Luis Castillo bounce back and show that he really is that dominant ace and that just hasn't disappeared overnight.

And with the fact that we're still, we've still got a couple bullpen aces coming up soon. We've got a starting pitcher who we think is a pretty credible starting pitcher. Coming back soon, like, the reinforcements are arriving and going into that hopefully, knock on wood with a, with a winning record soon feels pretty nice right about now. I'm Alex Rodriguez. And I'm Jason Kelly from Bloomberg.

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Evan James

They weren't hitting at all. They were deciding not to field anything, and they're getting thrown out on the big pass. And it was really concerning because it's one thing to have struggles and to lose games. You know, like we talked about last year, them losing one run ball games to a disproportionate degree, none of that was going on. They were just really bad for a while.

But them turning it around, getting off the mat, waking up as a team and looking like the team that we all thought they were going to show up as is really encouraging because they've hit a little bit, they pitched a lot, and we got some questions about this. They have miraculously started fielding again, and I don't. I don't have any explanation for why. Just at a certain point, they decided they could play defense all of a sudden and couldn't for the first two weeks. But I think one of the most strange and miraculous elements of this turnaround is that they suddenly look really competent defensively.

Do you guys have any idea what on earth happened with that? I don't think it's an accident that in the last week, Luis Aurias has played one game. I think that that is clearly, um, a contributing factor to that defense. Feeling that much better. Yeah, that.

John Trupin

I think there was a. Jorge Blanco is not a stellar fielder, but he had such a bafflingly, like, compoundingly terrible stretch. And it really was at a certain. You know, there's. There's one thing of, like, yeah, he doesn't have great range or like, you know, he's going to flub one or two here.

But, like, it was a. It felt like a coin flip for a bit, and that was just absurd, I think, you know, whatever it is, what, you know, that just, there are stretches where players are not on the ball. And unfortunately for the Mariners, they had several players essentially in sync, you know, full alignment with. Yeah, this. This thing that's lava and absolutely not, you know, we simply won't be touching that.

You know, we simply won't be putting our bodies in front of that effectively, but you know, we've got. They've got some welders gloves now, and I think they're in much better shape. I don't think I can. I don't think I can continue that extended metaphor, but I do think one of the. One of the best parts about having a superstar who's good at every single facet of the game is that when one thing isn't working very well, the other things can help make up for it.

Grant Bronston

Right now, Julio, obviously, is not having the start we would have wanted. Is it terrible? No. I mean, right now, he's hitting 256. The 301 on base, like, the power isn't there.

Again, I'm assuming it's just going to come at some point. He's too good, and we've seen him be too good for this, but, man, he has looked like such an exceptional center fielder this year. It is. It is wild seeing him play center field in the big leagues at this level. And think about the fact that two years ago, almost every single prospect, Hound, or baseball expert would have sworn, yeah, this guy, he's moving to a corner outfield at best.

That is just not all the player that we've seen, and. And that. That goes a long way. Having a fast, rangy center fielder, the one that he grabbed, that I think we saw, had a catch probability of about 5%, where he just ran it down in the gap almost over Ram. Yeah, exactly.

He basically did overrun it. I don't know how you do that, but that's, um. That takes a lot of. Of instinct, it takes a lot of speed, and it's. It's pretty impressive with Julio, too.

Evan James

I think you're seeing a guy who has always, since he's been in the major leagues, in any case, had this elite speed, but he's finally developing to the point where he's taking excellent routes, getting great jumps on the ball. He's looking like a plus defender and not just an incredible athlete. And when he puts those two things together, then you see him make those really, really special catches. And I think the Mariners lose three more games than they have without his defense. I really do.

I think it has been that crucial to not just holding the line when they are struggling, but winning some of these close games. And he really. I posted a tweet a couple of days ago and deleted it, but I do think we are seeing peak defensive ability, Julio Rodriguez right now, and so I'm trying to cherish that as much as I can when I see him make those 5% probability catches, because other teams aren't doing this. I mean, it feels like it's sometimes when you watch the Mariners hit and you see Kevin Kermeyer hunt down everything within 20 miles of him in the outfield. But Julio is uniquely spec, so I'm enjoying this.

John Trupin

I mean, it's always a little tricky with defensive stats, but I like. I want to like. Like, the numbers back up that he has been particularly good so far this year, right? He was an eight outs above average center fielder in his rookie season, which is great. Like, you know, it's.

It's not Gold glove, but it is quite good. Um, he was twelve outs above average last year, which is kind of in that gold glove tier. Like, that is, you know, just immense immensely. And in like, an 8th, you know, in 20 games, not 160 games, he is already at four outs above average this year. Now, you know, that can go up and down depending on how you play.

But, like, he is absolutely, you know, this. This. It is not hyperbolic. I think. I guess, to bring it back around to say what your.

Your statement there, Evan, is, I don't think it's hyperbolic at all. And, Grant, I think you and I may have been part of a conversation about this at some point earlier this week, too. But, like, where Julio has gotten himself to now, through 20 games, is a much more comfortable place in my mind, where, yes, he's not hitting remotely still to where we want him to be or where we would expect him to be or where the team, I'm sure, expects him to be, where he expects him to be. Whatever. But a Julio slump, being like, an 80 WRC plus guy who still has that great defense, who still has that, you know, every time he gets on base, he's, you know, he's six for six stealing bases.

You know, he's. He's still, you know, an immense threat there. That's still. That's a very viable player to slump and still be like a book, you know, below average. A week ago, he was.

He was like, you know, an unplayably bad hitter. I mean, not unplayable because he's in, but, like, you can't justify a player who's, you know, absolutely a complete zero offensively for that long. And I have no doubt that Julio is going to continue to get back up to his career standards and probably even more. But, like, this is. This is a much more comfortable place to me in the past week has been much more comfortable to me of, okay, he's still not aiming for that power, but he is hitting line drives.

He is hitting, you know, grounders up the middle, and, you know, he's making the kind of contact that you make when you're, like, in a batting cage and you're like, all right, well, I just want to try and reset a little bit. And that, I think, is. Is going to be just fine for him. Yeah. And I think just looking at fan graphs, he's been worth half a win so far.

Grant Bronston

By fan graphs, you extrapolate that that's a four win player with a pretty bad bat. Um, that said, his defense will not be this good the rest of the season. By the numbers, um, I think last year, the top outs, above average player in all of baseball was at 20, and he's on pace for 32. So, like, that's. That's not.

He's not such an outlier defensively that he will keep that going. The good news is, as his defense slips and is no longer otherworldly and is just great, his bat will probably become otherworldly. So there's. There's. He's good at so many things that'll make up for it.

The only concern I do have with Julio is that, you know, he's, I think, 23 years old. Everyone is kind of wondering, look, he's been so good for two seasons. Is he going to get to that supernova level, right? Is he going to put up those, like, Ken Griffey junior peak years? Is he going to be that Mike Trout type of player for a year or two?

And having this kind of a start doesn't mean that won't happen, but it's that much. It's a little bit less likely. Right. Because that kind of a player would hopefully show those kinds of things from the very get go. It's.

He's still young, it's still early. Could absolutely see this happening, and there are worse things than having a very consistent four, five, six win player. But I think where the Mariners really are able to become World Series contenders is if Julio makes the leap to a seven, eight, nine win type of player. Player. Um, and that's what I'm.

I'm hoping we can see months similar to last August, but spread a bit more consistently throughout the year. Absolutely. And I think if you. If you watched him last night, I think you feel pretty encouraged about the plate appearances he took yesterday. And when Julio is going like he was last August when he was in that hit streak, can see, watching his eyes at the plate, that he sees every pitch out of the hand, like.

Evan James

Like it's in slow motion, like nobody else in the park is seeing it, and I saw a little bit of that last night. You can see his eyes lock onto the pitch before it even comes out. And you can see he's got it hit almost before it comes, comes across the plate. Like, he's just so locked in. And I saw him make excellent contact last night, get on, you know, a couple of line drive singles.

And he. You're right, he's looked a little out of sorts at the plate, a little discombobulated so far this year. But he's a guy who, when he gets it locked in, doesn't take very long for those numbers to stabilize. Right. Like, he did it very quickly last year.

And I think when he turns it on this year, if, in fact, he turned it on last night, which sure felt like, um, I think there's some positive regression coming for him very soon. Yeah. John, I've got a question for you. As someone who played at a. At a high level in, in high school and college, what is the mentality that you're going through when you're in kind of a hitting slump, and how do you pull yourself out of that?

Grant Bronston

And then how does that differ from when you're on fire and you're just, like, excited for every at bat? Well, the. The. Certainly the. In following a lot of high level players and, you know, I think there's a few different approaches, but the most sort of prevalent idea, I think, is, you know, if you want to stay in, stay in the zone, you're not.

John Trupin

You're not a taking too much time to sort of think and react while you are up at the plate because you are confident in the preparation that you've done beforehand, and because you're seeing those results, it's easier for yourself mentally to go up with the confidence that I'm better than this person I'm playing against. And I think for Julio, honestly, that's often been the case, and rightly so, he is better than pretty much everyone he's facing. That is a real challenge when things. When you're struggling, especially, I think, talked about this in the first year of his big league career, where he was striking out so much and was having a bunch of pitches outside the zone called sort of compounding and compiling a little bit. And actually, he spoke a little bit about this on LeBron James's podcast thing.

Show. I don't know exactly. I mean, it's both. But in speaking, he was asked about, like, hey, you kind of had, like, a tough start to your big league career. What was like was the moment where you realized, like, you actually belonged.

And he sort of essentially pointed to a stretch like that where, you know, there was. I can't remember the specific game, but it was. It was later into, you know, April, and he'd been struggling, and he just, at least to. From his mindset, he was very much essentially just saying, no, I know that I'm better than this, and I know that I am not going to. I know I belong here.

I know that I can play better against these folks. And for many people, you kind of need to see it. For Julio, who I think had seen in his entire life and has reason to think he is on that level, being able to sort of mentally say, I am good enough and I'm going to go up and they're being successful, I think that that is something that. That perpetuates success there. That sort of.

That visualization even. Even as. As much as, you know, having a good scouting report and having, you know, a good plan obviously also factors into it. Yeah. Stay off the iPad as much.

Grant Bronston

Right. I think, you know. Yeah. You don't want these kids getting too much bluey. You know, it's a little bit.

John Trupin

A little bit of bluey goes a long way in the duck.

It is. I don't want this to become too much of a, like, anti technology crusade, you know, or anti. Anti data crusade, but I do think it is. You know, it does make sense to me a little bit of, like, you can't in. It's.

It's hard to make in game adjustments mechanically. And if you're looking at your swing every time, you know, it's one thing if it's like, oh, you're tipping a pitch, or, oh, like, you know, hey, you're doing something dramatically different. Sometimes you just do something right, and it doesn't work out, especially for, like, a first week or two of a season. And I certainly. They were doing some things wrong.

Right? We talked about the defense, but this was not catastrophically, you know, atrocious mechanics. They just were not lining a lot of stuff up. And now they are. Yeah.

Grant Bronston

One of my favorite books of all time is moneyball. And at one point in moneyball, they're getting into Billy Bean's playing career. And Billy tells a story about, I think it was a major league game where his teammates, Lenny Dykstra, and they're from absolutely polar opposite places, right? Lenny Dijkstra is this, like, grinder, like, just kind of just trying to play. Play hard.

John Trupin

Billy Dean, he's a human. He's a wad of chewing tobacco that gained sentience and sort of waddled out into the outfield and started sliding in cleats up. Yeah. Very, very different background from Billy Bean, who grows up in Florida and San Diego, who issues a scholarship offer at Stanford to get drafted and play for the Mets. And they're talking about the scouting report for that day.

Grant Bronston

And Lenny Dijkstra's like, hey, who are we facing today? And Pilly Bean's like, oh, it's, you know, Steve Carlton. And Lenny Dijkst says, who's Steve Carlton? Who's that big lefty? And Billy Bean's like, this is Steve Carl.

He's one of the best pitchers of all time. And Lenny goes, f it. Like, I'll just hit his fastball. Like, what? Wait, what does he, what does he throw?

Like, what else does he throw? And Billy's like, are you kidding me? Like, this is Steve Carlton. He's got probably the best slot lighter in baseball history. And then he's like, effort.

I'll get him. Right? That's. That's that mentality distinction. Right?

It's easy to over rotate on. Wow. Who am I facing? Look at that. Off speed.

Let's watch all this iPad video. And I agree, like, you don't want to be anti technology. There's a lot of valuable stuff to go through that and to be able to develop a plan. But at some point, you also just have to let the guys hit. You have to just say, you know what?

I've put in the work. I am ready to go. I'm just going to see these pitches and do something with them. And that's. I think they.

I don't know that they had over rotated on one side or the other, but I feel like this last week, we've seen them just play and it's made a big difference. It is. I think it is one of the strongest endorsements of the, sort of the parabola. I mean, generally a parabola. Also the parabola meme of, like, you know, on either end of the thing, just the mentality being screw it.

John Trupin

Hit the fastball, you know? You know, yeah, you do it absolutely. Can be really helpful. But I mean, one of the delightful things about baseball is there are. That is still very much the case for certain guys of like, don't give me a ton of information or I want a ton of information.

Either way, you can be really successful. It just know. But if you're. If you are someone who, you know, lacks confidence because you don't feel like you're prepared when you're going up there to hit, then you need more information. If you are someone who is overthinking every aspect of it, because you are, you know, someone who has really great instincts, maybe just leave those iPads.

So that, that has been a lovely, lovely little stretch here. I want to dig into some of the questions here because we got some good ones from folks and we've touched on a few things, but I want to start with this one from Ryan Turner at turns 44, talking about the bullpen usage here, which fortunately has not. You know, the Mariners have actually had a few games where they've blown their opponents out, so it's been a little bit lower stress, but even in this stretch, there have been a few tighter, tighter wins. Ryan says it seems as though the game strategy portion of the staff has slotted Munoz into the old seawalled role of pitching him in high leverage situations instead of the defined closer 9th inning role. Do we like this role versus how the M's used, Pauly?

Evan James

I want to see what Grant says on this one. Well, so it is interesting, right? The last three appearances he has, he's come in before the 9th inning. I think there's a connection between this and what we were just talking about, where some hitters want all the info they can, and some hitters want to say, I'm just going to go hit the fastball. I'm just going to go hit this guy.

Grant Bronston

Um, there's no one right or wrong answer, and we have limited information because we're not Andres Munoz. We're not in the clubhouse every day and understand how he likes to perform. Um, that said, if he doesn't need to be in the 9th inning every time and doesn't need to be the guy with the ball for those last three outs, then we should be using him for every single, uh, for, for the highest leverage moments. I have some qualms about when those moments are. I have some, you know, is, is it really when we're going through like nine, one, two with one guy on base, should we be saving him for the three, four, five?

Right. It's going to depend team by team, but I. I don't mind that usage so long as he is okay with that usage and is okay with kind of moving around a little bit.

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Evan James

Agreed. I think the theory with Munoz, too, is that if you pitch it in the 8th and he pitches really, really well, then you get two innings out of him. Right. And then you, then you're, you're getting the maximum usage out of your best relief pitch. Is it gonna work like that all the time?

No. No, it's not. Especially when, you know, he's had some early season struggles with his command and stuff, which is a little atypical. But the theory of the way that they're doing it is correct. Pitch him in the 8th.

If he somehow manages to get through a seven pitch inning, boom, suddenly you've got him for two innings and you're in great shape. I think that they may pull back on some of that when Santos ready and Brash is ready and they just, they have more options there at the back end. But I would argue that so far they've been great as far as handling Munoz and his spot in the back of the bullpen, especially given the injuries we've had so far.

John Trupin

Yeah, I think that the only really surprising usage that I saw on Munoz was when they brought him in, I think in the 6th. Was it the 6th or the 7th? I think it was the 6th in little over a week ago. And I loved it because it was, you know, them going at the heart of the lineup in the high stress situation in what I think was then a one run game. And for where the Mariners are at, it's, it strikes me as ideal if you are willing to use your best reliever in the most high leverage spots, like they were with Seawald.

And the fact that Munoz is, even when they're down two of their three best relievers. They're still willing to do that, I think speaks really well to what they're trying to set themselves up for later in the year, especially because, you know, Brash was used in this role pretty heavily and I think that's great. I hope, you know, he'll be able to balance that as well. And hopefully, you know, Santos, I think both Brash and Santos are on as positive of a track. I know we got a question about the injury updates there.

I think they are hopefully both going to be starting to get into, you know, uh, rehab assignments in the next week or few weeks. Um, and Brian Wu, I know, is throwing, we're recording this on Sunday. I believe Brian Wu throws today, um, his first rehab assignment. So, um, that pitching staff is, is filling out. But I really, I think this is an ideal usage of Munoz and it really is, like y'all said, mainly about can the player be flexible enough to be deployed that variably?

Grant Bronston

Yeah. And it was last, last Tuesday against the Reds. Logan is pitching. He goes out, out walk in the top of the 7th and that's when they bring Munoz in a two run game to get the last out there and then continue in the 8th. And I think that's, you know, some pitchers don't want to come in with any runners on base.

Some pitchers don't mind coming in with that situation with luck, and I don't know this to be the case, but with lucky, between Brash, Santos and Munoz, one of them is very happy to come in with runners on base and maybe one of them does best when they're coming in in the 9th inning and you can move them around because those are three really solid pitchers that again, if you can get, if you can get through six innings with our starters, which I hope we can given this rotation, you can just shut those guys down. Seven, eight, nine. Bring inspire. If you need a lefty like you've got, you've got enough options that you can really cut through offenses once the, the horses are back together. Yeah.

John Trupin

The, the way that Munoz pitches is particularly well suited towards coming in with owners on, just because he can get grounders and he can get strikeouts. I wish he was not so easy to steal bases off of, but, you know, it's, it's, I'm not going to, you know, nitpick too much there. Let's go to another roster management question. We got a couple folks asking basically the same thing here, so I'm going to highlight them both. We had Mariners geek at baseballgeek 72 on twitter asking how should they handle Luke Rayleigh?

He rarely plays and is kind of rotting, but the team is on fire. Similarly, D Mont at Duke Monty, 25, asked what exactly are we doing with Rayleigh? And Dee also had a couple other questions that we'll touch on, but I want to start with Rayleigh here because what should the Mariners be doing? Your options are limited, quite literally because he does not have any minor league options left. So you just gave up six years of control for a fringy but so far performing very well second baseman to get Rayleigh clearly.

Grant Bronston

Yeah, well, that's a whole other thing. But, but clear. Clearly Rayleigh has been. Has been good previously. You're not just going to give up on him through what, like 30 plate appearances or something.

So you have to give him time. But it is a tricky situation where you want to give him time to figure it out, but you don't want him to suck up valuable major league at bats if he's not going well. And I think this was kind of the Jared Kelnick conundrum of a couple years ago where man, he just needs major league at bats because Triple A and Double A pitchers aren't challenging him. But he looks really bad in these at bats. And in his case, there's the confidence question.

I hope and I sense that Rayleigh might not have that same issue, but we do need him to get on track there. So I think what you have to do is just keep playing him in kind of the role he's in now, where sometimes he's in the outfield, sometimes he's playing in other positions or at first base. Hopefully he's never playing at center field, but I suppose like you might have to do that occasionally. I know he's. He's got some speed, you can find uses for him in late games, but my sense is you kind of need to give him some consistent at bats at some point.

So I'd probably just keep running him out there, not every day, but many days. And they've tried to do that and move arreas out of the lineup if possible, and I think that's one interesting way of doing it. But the other roster question this will call up is when Canzone is back, what do they do with clase? I think sending down clause would speak pretty clearly. They want Rayleigh to be playing more frequently and if Clausse stays up and they figure out something else more creative, that might some trouble for him.

Evan James

I think for Rayleigh we have to remember that him not playing is not necessarily indicative of things going bad for the team right now. He's not playing so much because they like the guys who have, frankly, outplayed him. They really like what they see from dominican zone. Obviously, class has been a breath of fresh air and a little bit of a spark for the team. They're never going to sit Julio for Rayleigh.

Like, that's not a thing. And Mitch Hannaker's hit out of his shoes. So as far as him not having really a spot so far, it's more that the rest of the team is playing really well than he's been a disaster himself. He hasn't played well. He's been below replacement level so far.

But I think some of that is a little bit of bad luck at the plate. He's hit a couple of really hard line drives that got caught. I have one Kiermeyer catch in my head that haunts my dreams. Several of those, frankly, I swear. Side note.

But that blue Jay series. That blue Jay series, there would be shots of a ball, and it looked like it was about to land, and then he'd just come in out of the frame and catch it very casually, and I was like, he wasn't there before. Where did he come from? It's just confusing me. But, um, I wouldn't worry too much about Luke Rayleigh's playing time.

I really wouldn't. I think that the investment in him, you know, like. Like Grant said, the six years getting this guy for. For six years of caballero is a little weird, um, in. In hindsight, especially with the way that this has all gone down.

But I think that if he's playing it because he's playing his way into playing time and he's looking good, if not, it's because other guys have taken the spot and we shouldn't worry too much about it. And we would be more worried about it if classe wasn't looking so great. But, you know, like, you could only have so many guys succeeding at a single time, and especially in the same spot. And if I had to pick right now, I would rather see class A and what he brings to the table than Luke Riley anyway. Yeah, class A, I mean, class A's all around play so far has just been very, very fun to watch.

John Trupin

There's. There's no real way around it. I also. In addition to generally agreeing, I will also note, unfortunately. I mean, not unfortunately inherently, but likely, there's going to be a shot for Luke Riley because of all those names you listed, you know, Mitch Hanegar, Mitch Carver, you know, I mean, can zones already hurt?

You know, there's. There's just. There's a reasonable shot. You know, a lot of these are players. A lot of the players in the Mariners roster, we knew this ahead of the, you know, start of the season.

Durability is not a standout quality. So there are going to be probably games that Jorge Polanco misses or, you know, that maybe Rojas is missing. And so, you know, Urias does have to start. So then you're, you know, you're going to have somebody coming in there. I think we're going to get more time with Luke Rayleigh, and Luke Rayleigh is going to have more time to balance out his bad 31 1st played appearances.

That's. I'm not. I'm not saying, oh, he's going to be stellar. I just, you know, if the. If the terrible case here is the Mariners have an additional bench bat, who has more offensive capability than, you know, many of their recent, previous, like, last outfielders on the bench.

Oh, no, the. How terrible. You know, that's one of the things I liked about this team coming in was the entire bench outside of Sebi Zavala had, you know, a pretty reasonable offensive ceiling. Ivala, I am, you know, pretty glad the Mariners have been able to stack some off days because. And.

But I think he's going to play today because I don't think they'll have Cal Rawley start both games of the doubleheader. But even, you know, even sandwiched with you, you know, an off day yesterday or two off days, and then an off day coming tomorrow, maybe they honestly will, to be frank, but oy vey, you know, that's only three games. But at no point did he come into the year looking that good, nor has he, you know, dispelled that notion. Before the mariners get out of Colorado, we do need to address some sort of scientific inquiries here. Staff writer and frequent podcast co host Andershorstad durs made a little bit of a foray.

An oopsie. Yeah.

And this is, in fact, a meaner thing than we sometimes do, but there's you. What's going on, bud? The question is, I guess our beloved boy made a statement, and we'll hopefully be able to question him in on an upcoming pod about this directly. He suggested that it's only just occurring to him that indoor stadium in Denver might also fix the altitude problem, though he had a supposition that the ballpark experience might suffer. Now, this was in reference to the snow out, and that's, you know one thing I guess.

What would your potential solutions be to the altitude problem for a Denver based team? You know, are we thinking maybe you know create, trying to create some sort of gravitational anomaly? You know what, I want to, I want to make Dirs's vision reality, John. We got to do something realistic, right? We have to be feasible here.

Yes, I would say real me in. I would say we simply dig out about 4000ft of dirt and put the stadium at the bottom of that pit. Yes. Gladiatorial arena like sort of a, you know, pit there. You know, a real, you don't even need to build walls in, just the walls of the, you know, the cola super deep borehole sort of you paint.

Grant Bronston

Style, paint the yellow line on the cavern and if it hits above the yellow line it's a homer. And then there just aren't outfield seats. You put people, maybe we have people like actually in stands there. Maybe we have screens and it's like the Miis from a Wii game where they're all kind of just like standing and bouncing around and watching. But yeah, I think digging out a big canyon is the best move for, for neutralizing the elevation.

John Trupin

I am actually very deeply now into this idea of like a baseball pit essentially just, you know, because like I do think, you know, there is, there is sort of a spiritual pit that the Colorado Rockies have been playing in for quite some time now but it's not been reflected because they play in a beautiful place with a very nice ballpark and by and large by my experience a great fan base that is bemused at best that they have one of the most backwards thinking, you know, organization and front office and you know, leadership in all of base or all of Major League Baseball. But I do think that maybe a more overt physical manifestation of that experience might be necessary to really, you know, we're not a metaphorical society. We need, we need it banged over our head what the experience is going to be. So I like the baseball pit. There you go durst, we got you.

Evan James

Durs is not a meteorologist for those listening to the podcast looking for legitimate weather advice, not meteorologists here. But we do believe there's our scientific understanding that a roof on a stadium not make that stadium airtight. It's a really good roof. Maybe that's true. That's true.

Really good sealant. Yeah. High ceiling, 4000 foot floor, subterranean floor.

John Trupin

Let's hit a few more questions here as we round the final turn.

I'm going to, I'm going to hit on these additional questions that demon asked because I liked them here, but just should we, should I be happy we are tied for first or troubled that we are tied for 9th in the American League by win loss? And the follow up there is, am I wrong to think one and two or one win out of three in Texas would be a mild success? That is looking ahead to the Mariners schedule after this Colorado series. They get a day off on Monday and then have three at Texas with Logan Gilbert, Bryce Miller and Luis Castillo lined up again to go, you know, I mean, where this is, I guess just a general, where are we at? Do we think, you know, do, do you all feel good about this and what are we expecting heading into our first AL west series of the year?

Grant Bronston

Yeah, well, I, I feel great that we're not in the AL east. At the end of the day, you can only play with the hand of cards that you're dealt. And so I'm not going to complain if our record, you know, would be, I believe, half game behind the Red Sox for last in the AL east, but is tied for first in the AL west. We've been the victims of these situations before, and I'm happy to be the beneficiaries for once right now, so I'm not. Again, we're only 20 games in.

We've seen this team play well below its talent level and hopefully this recent, this last week is a harbinger of things to come. For me, though, winning one out of three against any team, much less a divisional opponent, no matter if it's home or road, I don't think you can consider that a success. I think a playoff contending team, especially one that's trying to beat its divisional rivals, and Texas and Houston are still the chief rivals no matter what the current standings say. I think you have to, you have to go for two out of three. One out of three isn't the worst thing in the world when it's on the road, but especially when we've got, you know, our Ubi, at least, you know, three of our four best pitchers, probably not our three best, but you've got, you've got great starters going.

The team is in a better place and with luck will have coming off a great series against Colorado. I don't, I think you gotta, you gotta want to win three out of three. Okay. With two out of three, one out of three is a disappointment and zero out of three is as much of a calamity as it can be when it's coming 20 something games into the season. I think we got to remember, too, is the book on the Mariners last year was they beat up on inferior teams, read teams below 500 in particular.

Evan James

They basically swept Oakland in the series, the season series. They lost one game, twelve and one. But they look pretty bad against good competition, against teams that are over 500. So we're talking about what's a win or what's a loss against a series against Texas. What we're looking for is we want to see the team playing better against good competition.

Right. We want to see them flip the script and look like a competitive team against competitive, other competitive teams and look like they belong. And we don't know that yet because they've played mixed competition so far, generously speaking. Should you feel good about 500 at this juncture? Yeah, 500 in it.

You know, we're two weeks into the season, three weeks in. It's still April. If you're still in it at this point and you're not so far away that you need to start worrying about stuff, that's good news. I feel really good about where the team is at. I especially feel good that they found their footing after a very bizarre opening two week where it looked like they couldn't do anything well.

Being able to lean on the team strengths, the pitching, again, is a really big deal because if they're going to be the team we think they are, it starts with that rotation, those first four guys in particular. So seeing that last week, where those guys went out and pitched six innings apiece like that gives me a lot of peace, a lot of calm. So I feel good about that. And, yeah, I agree with Grant. I want to see them win a series.

Texas, no more of this one and two, no more of this below 500 stuff or a good team. Let's win. Right? We're a good team. Let's win.

Let's do it. Yeah, I think this, this is definitely a great series for them to take at least two out of three, especially, they're, they're not seeing Uvalde, who is at this point still, you know, the best pitcher that Texas has going. So they're going to see John Gray and Dane Dunning and Andrew Heaney, all of whom most of this roster has seen a ton of. And, you know, they have good cause to be successful there. And just to emphasize that point about the winning teams, like, a big part of the reason the Mariners didn't make the playoffs last year was, I mean, are, you know, if you want to point, there's a myriad things that you can point to, but if you want one specific thing.

John Trupin

It was. Yes, it was great. They were nine and four against Houston. The only other team, the only other team of the winning record that they had a winning record against was the Twins, who they were four and three against. Every other team with a winning record.

They were, they lost the season series or they were at best 500. And specifically with Texas, it was where it hurt them the most. That last series and that last ten game stretch was where they, you know, could not secure it, where they were four and nine against Texas. So they not only didn't have the tiebreaker, but Texas got specifically wins against them, putting them at a disadvantage to getting into the playoffs there. So I don't, you know, it's not the end of the world if they go one and two, but, like, I would expect them, or I think it is reasonable to expect at least two out of three.

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Evan James

Let's, let's wrap with two questions today. Is that. Is that okay? Number one is Brian wants to know our favorite and apologize if I'm pronouncing this wrong, but in hyphen tune, I believe that is a korean pop outfit, right? In hyphen, it's like BTS.

John Trupin

It's really bad news that you don't know who they are because, boy, howdy. I mean, here's what I'll say. I believe that one of their members is throwing out a first pitch at a Mariners game soon because they were a Mariners fan. But I need to confirm that that's correct because I had never heard of them. Yes, they are three of their members, Jay, Hee Seung, and Nikki, are going to be throwing out the first pitch on April 29 at the Mariners game because Jay is a Seattle native and is a Mariners fan, which is super cool.

I will listen to their music between now and then because I am curious. Um, but this is simply, I honestly, k pop, by and large, a massive, massive hole in my cultural, uh, you know, awareness, essentially. I know bts exists. Couldn't. Couldn't name a tune.

Uh, but, uh, have, I guess. Yeah, that's where I'm at. Have I bought enough time for any of y'all to, uh, play some itunes 32nd previews? No. I will say that south korean boy bands are pretty far away from my specialties, so I'm going to have to say I know nothing, and honestly, I'm not sure if I.

North korean more your pace?

Grant Bronston

No, maybe I'll just say korean boy bands more broadly. Not quite what I know well, but, yeah, maybe we'll listen to a song or two of theirs, and I'm very happy that they will get to throw out their collective first pitch. And I'm really curious about the three different mariners that will catch their first pitches. Will they have heard any of their music? Will they be at all familiar?

Is there anyone on this roster that would be excited and can be the designated first pitch? Catchy. It's got to be. That is, I think, a great question. Who is the k pop stan on.

John Trupin

On the mariners roster? That's a question for Kate to pick. It is a Kate question, yeah. Okay. Well, we'll make sure that one makes it into this media scrum, so I.

Evan James

Will come back to that. I will listen to simon Hyphen and answer that question earnestly. Brian, another time. But we'll wrap with Dane thompson's question today, which is George kirby, jonathan, class a, and Jp are coming over to your house to hang for 4 hours. When they arrive, the wi fi goes down.

How do you keep them entertained? You can't leave the house and you can't order food. They went to quiznos before they got there, so they are not hungry. Uh, guiznos is always disappointing, so they might still be hungry for their choice. It's filling.

John Trupin

I, you know, I hear you. It is. It is a just pure per capita of food. Not too bad. Um, so I grant, go for it.

Grant Bronston

I will start out by saying recently got a Nintendo Wii, and with a nintendo Wii, there is nothing better to do than to just sit down and play Wii sports. I think you could do some good doubles tennis there. I think you could do a Wii golf. You know, who can put up the best round in nine holes? My high score is eight under par, in case anybody was wondering.

I think you could do some bowling. Bowling is a good one. I haven't gotten into the boxing yet. And the baseball one I remember is being disappointing. I don't know if those guys are going to want to play baseball in the 4 hours of their day off or before the game, but I think a Nintendo Wii tournament is going to, going to get you guys through 4 hours.

John Trupin

Yeah, I think it's. My pitch is pretty much the same, which is. I've got a switch. We're playing smash bros. That is, uh, you know, we're playing.

It's a land party. Um, and, uh, everyone's. Everyone's having a good time. Kirby play as Kirby, or is that an unfair advantage? It does feel like, I think it's.

Evan James

Like a sephiroth bane. He definitely feels like he means a different character than Kirby. He's too aggressive for that. I think that. I think what you do is you set up, because what I'm all about is you can set up, like a tournament, and then everyone gets to, like, draft, you know, a few, like, different people, all of.

John Trupin

All the characters. So I think, you know, he has the opportunity to play as Kirby, but not perpetually as Kirby. And that's, that's, I think how you got to set it up there, really. As long as you can play as pikachu, you're going to be able to win. Exactly.

Exactly. Yeah, it's, it, that's. That's all you really need. That. That downbeat, despite being incredibly slow and, you know, the.

As far as I can tell, not a viable option to utilize it at any competitive level. Boy, it's very satisfying. Just, just a big, big lightning bolt across the screen. How could you not try and do that all the time?

Grant Bronston

What are you going to do to, say, having a good time? You know, looking at that list of players. It's a pretty eclectic blend and a very intelligent blend of players. I would play, play some scattergories because I feel like it would give the team a chance to blossom in some non baseball areas and to get competitive with some, you know, some different subject matter. And I love scattergory.

Evan James

Scattergory is one of those things where when you play with a group of people, somebody who you think was going to lose for sure winds up stunting on everybody. And I would love to see who wins again, those categories with that group of people. For sure. See, that is a very good call because like, I, I would love like a jackbox games said kind of situation, but like four is like a. Not quite enough for a lot of them, but, you know, but something in, you know, maybe not fibbage, but maybe, you know, one of the, one of the slightly smaller games or like one of the art games.

John Trupin

Absolutely. We're cooking. We're having. We're having a blast. We're laughing, you know, at what, you know, George Kirby's attempt to draw an elephant.

And everyone's having a good time, I think. I think scattergories with them in hyphen in the background. A week later, you got your three players to catch the first pitch because they've been, they've been totally turned on to it after 4 hours. Absolutely. I think locked in a one bedroom apartment with an hyphen on loop playing scatter.

I believe that's how we start a cult. That sounds perfect.

Well, I think we're going to wrap right there. We are getting close to game time on our end of things here, which I'm excited for you don't get. You know, we had the scheduled double headers in the owner's lockout year because they were trying to consolidate in, you know, enough games into schedule. And while I understand inning games, too, they were short. Yeah, there were some seven innings, seven inning doubleheaders.

And while I fully understand why players don't want doubleheaders, I do think some more scheduled doubleheaders would be a fun way of, like, avoiding having quite so many games in, like, miserable cold weather in April and having more games, you know, that are like, in the sunnier or like, warmer evenings, periods of the year. Just, just my two cent there, as well as, you know, avoiding having games stretching into late October, especially if the playoffs keep expanding. But today we get a treat brought to us by the Colorado Rockies and Denver being bizarre. So get out there and enjoy the rest of your day. Whenever you may be listening to this and to my fellow podcasters here.

Thank you, Grant Bronston, for joining us. Grant, where can people find you if they want more? Grant? I don't know why you would. You can follow me on Twitter at gbronston.

Grant Bronston

But mostly, like, just. Let's just watch the Mariners find me at a game. Let's hang out. And here's to a couple wins here. And let's get us to turn ahead the clock night.

We can all get our free jerseys. Grant, if they want to find you, they should read you on lookout landing. Technically, that's the correct answer. That is also true, Grant. I would really like to.

John Trupin

I think a goal for me is to get you in the Hump Humpty costume and see if you can put some foot speed, if you can maybe turn things around for our hapless players. Hicene boy.

Grant Bronston

Honestly, the salmon run, I'm okay on. I feel like it's a bit repetitive with the. With the hydroplane, so it's not my. You know, I'm not. I'm not fully bought in yet.

John Trupin

Yeah, I think they're. They need to spice it up a little bit, but I think they're trying to get it, you know, familiar. They're into trying to integrate it into the zeitgeist, and then hopefully they're going to adapt on it a little bit. Evan, thank you, as always. Evan James.

Evan, where can folks find you? I know we put that you put this into the. Into the episode description and the article on lookout landing, but sometimes we should. You know, I want to make sure people know where to find you. People can find me on Twitter.

Evan James

All my music and stuff is on Soundcloud, Spotify, wherever it is you listen, whatever it is. Dream. I get paid for all that, so help me not have to get a real job anytime soon. I love not having a real job. It's literally my favorite thing.

So anytime people listen or stream or any of that kind of stuff, it supports me doing this. So that's awesome. And, yeah, as far as the salmon run goes, I would say that it's not my favorite activity, but as an adult, I respect other adults who are attempting to do physical exercise in those costumes because it looks really hard. Yeah, it does look like you. The moment you, like, are looking at it from 5ft away, you'll start sweating and, like, by the time you're on, you will.

John Trupin

Your body. You won't remember what it was like to have had to drink water. Just unbelievable. We're not even in summer yet. I do want to add to that point, in addition to supporting, hey, the the less time, the more that Evan can not have a real job, the more meet at the Mitt podcast you will get, generally speaking, because it means more time to dedicate to doing stuff like this.

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