What We're Wearing This Spring: From Trench Coats to Lace Accents, Fashion Trends We're Embracing, How to Pack by Destination, Tips for Traveling with Kids, and More with Mary Lawless Lee

Emisha Gormley

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Molly Sims

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I'll admit it. I am a chronic over packer. I have been really trying to fix this problem. It's been years. I can overpack.

I can. I can outfit. I can, like, do all the outfits. I can lay them out, put them in a suitcase, and then it's what happens next that is my issue. I mean, you've stayed with me.

Molly Sims

You roll in for two days with, like, six suitcases. I roll in, I'm like, oh, what about the jeans? What about the extra sweater? What if I'm cold? I need the jacket.

Emisha Gormley

I have a problem with shoes. With packing shoes. I mean, I'm staying with you right now, and I feel like it looks like a bomb went off in my room. I'm like, I can't take it. We have such a fun episode.

A needed episode with a needed guest. We're gonna talk a little bit about spring style based on locations and occasions. I think you guys might know our guest today. I'm going to shed some light, maybe a thing or two. When it comes to packing and style, she is phenomenal.

Mary Lawless Lee, we're so excited to have you. You're amazing. She's an entrepreneur, digital media personality, author. She has the best website. I love it because it's got Grey's name in it called happily Gray, which started as a passion project during her years as an ICU nurse and has since grown into an incredible, incredible brand with a following over 2 million.

We love the way Mary approaches style and life through the lens of fashion, family, travel, and design. She's one of us. Even though she lives in Nashville, she has the most amazing travel guides and has recently launched a new business with her husband called Nima. It's a science back clean skincare brand for moms and babies out there. All right, today we're gonna talk all things spring style, how to pack, how to dress for different locations with Mary Lawlessly.

We love you. We love everything about you. We love what you're creating, how you're pivoting, and talk about pivoting. Mary, you were an ICU nurse. Crazy pivot.

Crazy pivot. How did it start? It was a crazy pivot. A lot of people, like, still don't know that that's my background, but it's like an experience that I value tremendously. And the reason why I'm here today, doing what I'm doing, it's because of that foundation.

Mary Lawless Lee

So I worked as an ICU nurse in critical care, cardiovascular ICU, for seven years. And it was never a question. I wanted to work in healthcare when I was a little girl, like I used to say, I wanted to take care of people like I was. I've always been drawn to that. And as soon as I went through nursing school, I knew I wanted to work in critical care, because the adrenaline rush, the science, the patient care, the teaching families, like, it just filled every bucket.

And so I did that. But the best thing about nursing is you work three days a week, you work twelve to 14 hours shifts three days a week. And so I did have free time. And so I started writing. I've always loved to write and I've always loved fashion.

When I was a little girl, I mean, just the outfits I came up with for school were just always like, here and there and everywhere. And so I started writing about fashion as a creative outlet, just something different than the intensity behind critical care nursing. And it was literally my outlet. It was the way I use my brain in a different way. And that was at the time that Pinterest and Instagram were launching twelve years ago.

And it just kind of was luck of the draw and then dedication and then realizing, oh, something's here, there's something to this that we kept, I kept on doing that and I say we, my great Dane and I at the time, and yeah, I just turned a creative outlet, turned into a full time business. And eventually I slowly quit nursing. I was kind of pushed out the door. My manager was like, I don't know what your side gig is, but like any, like, you need to go do that. And yeah, I've just like never looked back.

Even though I do miss those patient care moments, I miss the bedside care. So you were a mom before you were a mom, all your patients. Absolutely. I know, yeah. Taking care of the families in critical care, a lot of time, your patients asleep, they could be like medically paralyzed.

And so a lot of the times you're interacting the most with the families. And that was my favorite part of it all, the education, just the connection with the families, especially during that pivotal time. Like, there's no more vulnerable moment in your life than when you have your loved one right there going through one of the biggest surgeries of their life. And so, and that was critical. I worked in cardiovascular ICU, which was surgical.

All those patients were coming out of heart surgery. And so there was an intensity to it, but there's also this unspoken emotion and softness and delicacy to it and kind of living haply gray was born from the inspiration of that experience of this gray space. Cause like life is not black and white and we don't operate in this black and white world. And in critical care, there was this gray space where we're not promised the next moment. And that was the inspiration for me because it was like where I found the loveliness, and it just felt safe in those moments.

And so happily Gray was kind of inspired by that accumulation of those seven years and the moments that I shared with those families and just kind of growing up in my twenties and realizing life is, I grew up in a very small town, and it was always presented one way, and life is just very, very much so, not that way. I love your style. We love happily gray. For our listeners. Tell us a little bit about happily gray.

Happily gray. Yeah. You know, it started with just, like, you know, like I said, inspiration and rooted in street style. Now it kind of has become a lifestyle brand. But I, you know, style has always inspired me.

It's like I dress for my mood. And the one word that comes to mind when I think of my style is, like, textural, which sounds weird and, like, a little sterile, but I've always loved the texture play and getting creative. If you've got one color, you're wearing one color head to toe. It can be so interesting by texture play. And happily gray was my creative outlet to play with fashion.

And then eventually beauty and skincare and travel. It's so great, which is what we're going to talk. We're going to talk about all of it. All of it. But happily gray, we love it.

Emisha Gormley

It's such, it. It's a true lifestyle, you know, that you can, like, peek into baby, peek into fashion, peek into beauty, and it's all things that you love, and you can tell it's so well done. I mean, you have such beautiful taste. Okay. Have you always loved to travel?

Mary Lawless Lee

I love to travel. You know, funny fact, I got on my first flight, so I was previously married. Was married to 21. I come from a really small town, married to 21. That lasted four years.

And I got on my first flight for my honeymoon, which was crazy. Crazy. So I never traveled growing up. My dad has severe vertigo, and he, like, we drove a lot of places, but we never flew. And so when I became an adult and kind of, like, you know, opened my mind and ventured outside this bubble that, you know, I had always known that travel was the one thing that really gave me perspective and just really, like, being able to see other people's walks of life and that blew my world open.

And so I have this deep appreciation for travel. I want my kids to be able to experience that and that at 23, like, I never looked back. All I did was travel from, like, 23 to about 31. That was my life. Did you find that that travel influenced your style and how you started to evolve it like, what would you say was your first place you visited that you were like, ooh, I'm gonna take.

Molly Sims

Cause I know mine, and I'm curious as to what yours was. Absolutely. London. London, London. London was like the first moment of just watching other people operate on the streets, you know, and just London.

Mary Lawless Lee

Such a place where. Where their style is so influenced by the weather and the culture, and that was, like, that was such a very eye opening experience. And I also love that. That style and, like, the wittiness to it. And, I mean, I love a trench coat, and so.

Emisha Gormley

Yeah, love a trench coat as well. We love your coat as well. She has an incredible leather pleather. Beautiful. It's like a beautiful gray, greeny color.

It's, like, happily gray as your trench coat. Yeah, it's amazing. I mean, trench coats in all forms, like, there's never a look that doesn't feel better without a trench coat on your shoulders, you know? And London, like, really connected that for me. And did you find that you had, like, your sense of style early on, or has it evolved over time?

Molly Sims

Like, you seem to be pretty. You have a very strong sense of style. It's, like, very. It's simple but luxurious. Like, has that always been your thing?

Mary Lawless Lee

No, I think it's evolved in different seasons, and I feel like it's very dependent on the mood. And by mood, I don't mean day to day. I mean, like, the season, the two or three years of life that I'm in right now, I'm in. I feel like I've left this departure of trends, and now all I crave is, like, classics, staples. Like, I have three kids.

Like, I don't, you know, like, I need an outfit that I can run and play and pick up kids in, and. But I still want to feel chic and look sophisticated and awesome. And so it's definitely evolved with whatever season I'm in, and then. And then, too, like, creatively, what I'm going through. All right, let's get down to it.

Emisha Gormley

Spring fashion. What does every woman need for spring? No matter what, no matter if you live in LA, New York, Nashville, anywhere in the world, what are a few things that we need? I've already said it, but this is so true. A trench coat.

Molly Sims

A trench coat. A trench coat, like a trench coat serves whatever city you're in. And they can come in many different forms. Almost the more structured they are, almost like, when they look militant and they have that badge of honor, the collar, the shoulder, the length. It's all so important, and you can get one at Kate's.

Mary Lawless Lee

There's a Kate one right now that I'm obsessed with. That's living, but also H and M. Frankie shop. I think the good thing about a trench coat, I was recently traveling as well. And you can really dress it up, dress it down.

Emisha Gormley

You can wear it with a great little black dress, or you can wear it with a hoodie, sweatshirt, tight tennis shoes, and you still look pulled together, I think, like you were saying, the structure, that the more militant it just looks put together, the exaggerated details are. Like, what I look for in a trench coat. Like today, I've got on a high boot and a skirt with a longer trench. So I think being playful with the trench and finding that one that's a good length and has those dramatic details and then taking it day to night. I have to give you a trench coat confession, because I'm not afraid of many things in fashion.

Molly Sims

I love fashion. As you know, I have a trench coat. I got it at mango two years ago. I have yet to wear it, so whenever I put it on, I know this is. I swear to God, I end up.

Emisha Gormley

You got 27 foundations. You can't put on a trench coat. Can I tell you something? I need to get over this feeling that I look like I'm over dressed. I don't know what it is.

Molly Sims

It's a mental block. So I'll see you wearing a trench. I'll see you wearing a trench. I will see trenches. And I'm like, but I'm just getting in the car to go pick my kids up from school.

What am I doing with my trench coat? I need to get over it, because it's timeless. It's like a peacoat, but there could. Be a sweatsuit under that. There could literally be pajamas under that trench coat.

Emisha Gormley

There could be pajamas. Might have worn some pajama bottoms with a sweater with a trench the other day. You're inspiring me to get over my trench coat fear. Because I love it. Like, I want to wear it.

Molly Sims

And then I put it on, and I feel like, oh, God. Like, am I overdressed? And I know it's not. You know what I feel like helps? Well, I feel like women sometimes feel like they're engulfed by a trench sometimes, because I do think, like, the bigger the better.

Mary Lawless Lee

But, like, cinching the waistline, also not. Getting it too big. Yeah. A lot of things now are oversized. That's just the trend.

Emisha Gormley

So even, you know, the member, the YSL jacket that I'm like, why am I doing this? I'm gonna spend the money. It was, like, a little bit too, like. So I had it taken in just. Just at my neck, just like an inch.

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Emisha Gormley

Okay. What other spring pieces do we need or trends? You know, this is, like, not true to, like, my past, but I'm really loving the girl. The girlcore, like, the bows, the ruffles, like, the romantic moments, like, the lace. I'm just really loving it.

Mary Lawless Lee

I feel like it's fun. It feels like it's kind of a departure from, like, my day to day life with three kids. Like, I kind of want to, like, play around with bows and feel young and, like, carefree. We went shopping, and we crushed lace doen. It's amazing.

Emisha Gormley

It's amazing. They have a great lace, detailed, like, long dress. They have skirts, slip skirts with lace on the bottom. Like, a chunky knit to pair with a chunky knit. I do think you're right.

Like, lace is coming back. I love a bow. I love a black bow. I love a navy bow. It just feels.

Mary Lawless Lee

It feels romantic. I feel like a woman, but not, like, overtly sexy. It feels a little playful, and that's what. Cause my style is definitely not like, the huggers and the bodycon dresses, and I love that. It feels, like, a little witty but romantic still.

Molly Sims

But I also can wear it, pair it with something a little harder, so. It'S like, you can balance. Yeah, I think that's the key. Otherwise, you can look like you're a Laura Ashley ad. Yeah, we were in Austin, and she had a long skirt, like, with a chunky sweater.

Emisha Gormley

It looks so good. You paired it with a boot. That was a great look. Also, don't you guys feel that cream? I know.

It's just kind of, like. Sounds weird, but, like, cream is, like, a full on color now. Completely, like a cream, a beige, a khaki. I know. I was thinking about this the other day.

I was thinking, I'm like, I'm gonna get these beige shorts. I found them at goop. They're redone. They're sold out everywhere. But I'm still trying to get them.

And I'm like, beige is, like, we're kind of, like, in a version of, like, a stripey beige. Yeah, she has a beige top on. I don't know. It's just, like, such a great neutral color to work off of, and, like you said, working off of textures, and we love a monochromatic. Okay, what are their trends?

What are we thinking for spring? I mean, I don't know for say this is a trend, but I'm just loving, like, chocolate everything. Oh, I love it. I need more chocolate. Ch iolate.

Love a chocolate. I mean, I just love the warmth of a chocolate piece, and it pairs well with cream. You can put it with black. Like, I feel like the versatility of a chocolate piece is really. It's becoming a wardrobe staple.

Jenny Cain makes a beautiful chocolate sweater. My president, Kate MacArthur, was like, she's super chic. She had on, like, a ginny cane. I mean, I look like a fucking hot mess. I mean, there she was, like, pulled together with, like, a hat.

She had on a sweater. She had her dorsey on her cream pants, her cute boots. I was, like, coming in there. Like, I don't even. I think I was wearing pajamas.

I'm like, but the chocolate sweater was so good. I really want a long white over cream. Oh, yeah. You know what? I have looked for that.

Mary Lawless Lee

I cannot find that. Someone needs to do that. So Tim did a little version. I mean, it wasn't as chocolate, but they did that shearling, but it was so expensive. Yeah.

Molly Sims

Now, what about timeless staples like, what are your season in, season out? You go back to it. I mean, honestly, a white dress. A white, like, the crisp white dress sounds boring, but it's the staple piece that you can put a knit over it. You can put a denim over it.

Mary Lawless Lee

There's, like, an elegance to it, but there's also, like, it's just functional. I feel like that. Yeah. Through every season, and I'm not one of these people. Like, I do not follow the rule.

Like, white I still wear in the winter. And I think it's about, like, pairing it with those, like, chunky, cozy, you know, knits and the beanie. I. Yeah, I love. I just love, like, a cream.

Like, maybe not stark white, but, like, that cream warm. I think also just, like, a great, like, I have my frank and Eileen that I copied from you. The. This Frank and Eileen button down. It's a little thicker.

Emisha Gormley

It's not the light weight. It's like, this. The medium weight or whatever. And I get a medium. I like it a little oversized, but it's crisp.

It, like, looks good with a pair of jeans over, like, throw a sweater over your shoulders. Like, those are really good. I think that's a really good investment. Yeah. You actually made me buy in l.

Molly Sims

A. Years ago. Remember that white antique batik dress I have? And it's got, like, the lace. Like, it's beautiful.

It looks almost kind of like a nightgown. Like a french nightgown. If it looks like a nightgown, it's so pretty. Yes. And then I paired it, actually, one of my favorite outfits last summer was wearing this white dress.

And then I put on this, like, really thick, yummy navy and white striped lalline, like cardigan. And it has, like, these. It was just, like, literally, I think it was my favorite outfit last summer. Yeah. And it was just this white sort of nightgown looking dress, like, a chunky cashmere cardigan over it.

Mary Lawless Lee

And, like, for winter, I would. I would wear that same dress with a white, like, oversized knit and, like, a black Chelsea boot. Like, yeah, put, like, a midi chunky boot with it. Like, I even think. I think you can do that.

I think it's just a season less piece that can transition. I couldn't agree why it was. Do you guys. This is, like. I think it was for fall 2024, but the picture of Sienna Miller in front row at Chloe wearing this, like, white dress with, like, a motorcycle.

Molly Sims

Jack, do you know what I'm talking about? It was Chloe. It was Chloe. And it was. That is, to me, like, that is my inspo for spring, summer 2024.

I know it was for fall, but that's, like, she was wearing, like, the big clogs. I loved it. We both got the Chanel clogs. I got the black, she got the brown. I don't know which ones you're talking about.

Emisha Gormley

And I wasn't gonna get them. And she's like, you should get them. Have you worn them yet? They're so comfortable. They are comfortable.

Molly Sims

They're very comfortable. I'm a shorty, so it's. I'm very. I won't wear heels because I'm so used to, like, wearing flats now, but those are actually really comfortable, because the wedge, it's all about the pitch. It's a good pitch.

Emisha Gormley

Okay, so what are we going away from? What trends do you think we're going away from? Okay, I was just having this conversation the other day, and I don't know if people are going away from this, but I'm going away from this daytime clutch. Have you seen women carrying a clutch during the daytime? Like, I mean, it's cute, and I do love the look, but it's just not realistic.

Mary Lawless Lee

Like, I tried it the other day, and I have, like, 50 things that need to go in my bag, especially the mom of three. Like, I need, like, Santa Claus as, like, thing to, like, pitch over my shoulder and. Yeah, like, the other. I had this conversation with a girlfriend, and she was like, no, it's so easy, and it's so this and, like. Yeah, but she's got older kids.

I still have, like, all this random shit in my bag. So. Yeah, no, the daytime clutch for me, it's cute, but I don't think it's realistic. She just pulls out her old, oversized Celine that she's had for. It's right about.

Molly Sims

I've had it for, like, five years. And I do think the oversize is coming back. I mean, the bigger, the better. Yeah, no, like, the row and the k. I'm just, like, drooling over those bags.

Mary Lawless Lee

Like, just trying to not. I know. It's so good. But I do like a clutch for the evening. That's more my thing.

Molly Sims

Like going to dinner. I love it. But my biggest problem with the clutch, when I go to dinner, where do you put it? You have to put it on the hide. But then I feel like it's on the table and, like, it takes space.

Emisha Gormley

Depends on where you are. And I love. I do love a clutch. We just got together. I say we.

She got it. And then I copied. We just got the new totem. That's like, the key. Lock the t lock with.

Cause you can do cross body also, but wear it as a pouch. It was a really good. That's a great. That's, like, my most used bag lately. They're crushing it.

They really are. I mean, it's like such classic wardrobe staples. The quality is amazing. I just bought one of their long wool coats. It's like a robe almost, but it looks really chic.

Mary Lawless Lee

And I literally wear it everywhere. And their price points are. I mean, listen, they're still expensive, don't get me wrong. But when you're looking at them compared. To, like, a kate or a row.

Molly Sims

You'Re like, oh, this is a bargain compared to that. And the quality is amazing. Fantastic. Yeah, I agree. Do you shop in Nashville or mainly when you travel on the Internet, by George.

Mary Lawless Lee

Well, so two years ago, I would shop on, you know, when I'm in New York or online. But we just opened. Kirin azabet just opened in Nashville. Stop it. Which is amazing.

Emisha Gormley

That's amazing. It's literally. I'm so happy for Beth. Yes, Beth. She's amazing.

She's awesome. She's awesome. I met her at the opening, and I had no idea, like, there was a party store. Like a. Like a party shindigs.

Mary Lawless Lee

It was called shindigs. It was like a party store that was in the same building. They took it. They gutted it. They made it into this incredible, beautiful space.

And now Nashville. It's in green hills, which is where we live. I can literally, like, throw a rock. When I first met Beth, I was like, beth, I'm going to need a loyalty program, please. Like, it's, it's gorgeous.

And Nashville just doesn't really have access to that sort of luxury, and so. But she's got some continuity. You mean the Green Hills mall? You know, it's funny. I love the green hills mall.

Emisha Gormley

I have a little soft spot. That's where my mom would take me to shop. I love the Green hills mall. It has evolved, and they're opening so many stores. It's growing like crazy.

Mary Lawless Lee

But it's really nice to now have access to, like, those. Oh, my God. Yeah. And you don't have to leave Nashville. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, traveling. What are your tips? What are your tricks? Like, what are your hacks when you're.

Emisha Gormley

Cause we've watched you pack for trips. Unpack. You are incredible. Well, you know what's made me better? I'll say I don't know if I'm incredible, but better as kids.

Mary Lawless Lee

Kids have, like, I've had to change the ballgame because anytime we're traveling with kids, I have to plan every look that I'm wearing. There's no more game of, like, oh, I'll just pack all of my things that I love right now, and I'm just going to style it when I get there. Like, there's no more room for that because of how strategic I have to be with the space. And so now I literally plant every single look like before I came here. Even though I'm only here for 48 hours, it took me 2 hours to plan.

Emisha Gormley

Then you're done once you get here and explain, like, really simply how you do it. Yeah. So I try on everything before, and I take a picture on my phone, and then I create a folder, the folder's name, whatever city I'm going to, and it's dated. And then I have a reference because it's hard to, I mean, especially if you're going somewhere more than like three or four days, it's hard to keep up with, like, what, choose what bag, go with what look. And I don't want to bring five bags.

Mary Lawless Lee

Like, I try to bring two or three staples and then they go with each look. And so I take a picture with my phone and I put it in a folder and I do the same thing, process with my kids. Cause I have three kids. And so I lay out all their looks. I take pictures of everything.

I mean, my husband thinks I'm, like, crazy, and then he packs, and he's got, like, six things in the suitcase, and he's the one that's out shopping. I will say it's better to over pack than under pack. I will support that same all day long. Like, you don't want to, like, have commitments and, like, have an itinerary, and you're supposed to be on the go, and then you don't have, like, what you actually need or that's, like, weather permitting. So I pack my looks for that day, and then I throw in, like, four or five other pieces that are staples, classics that can transition throughout those looks.

Molly Sims

Yeah, yeah, I actually. It's funny. Cause I was packing to come here, and I like to. I'm not as organized in having the folders in my phone, but what I like to do is take pictures of what I'm gonna wear, and you know what I do with them? I save them in a separate album so that when I am trying to get dressed to go out for dinner or I have something to do, I can refer back to it.

Cause sometimes I'm standing in my closet, and I'm like, I don't know what to wear. And my brain just kind of goes into, like, this. Like, I just have a brain fart, and I'm like, I have nothing to wear. And then I can go in my phone and go, you know what? That outfit, I liked that when I wore it, and I remember it, so it's, like, nice.

It all can have, like, a little dual. I know exactly the ceiling that you're talking about. I never felt that till I became a mom. And then, like, my mental space is just not there anymore. It's dissolved, and I'll walk in my closet, and I have no idea, but that's why it's so good.

Mary Lawless Lee

You know, another friend I have, she takes outfits like, the outfits she really loves. She'll just take pictures of them, and, like, you're saying, like, archive them in one folder so you can just reference them. So if you've got a dinner, that's what you throw on. It seems like you're spending a lot of time in the beginning, but it actually saves time on the other end, especially when you're having to get three kids ready, get a husband ready, get out the door. Like, you being ready, you being the pilot.

You have to be. You have to be. Can we turn it into. You guys remember that scene in clueless where Alicia Silverstone is getting dressed in the morning, and she's, like, standing in front of her closet, like, twirling her hair, and she's pressing the button on the computer screen, and do you remember this? And the outfits match up, and she's like, oh, okay.

Molly Sims

Like, purpose. Why is that software not around now with Instagram and everything that we have? Like, I would have that on my phone. Right. Yeah, I know.

Mary Lawless Lee

It's a business idea. Like an edit of your wardrobe. Yeah, your entire wardrobe. Ding. There's your outfit together.

Emisha Gormley

Okay. Do you do bags? Do you do clear, like, hanging bags? Do you. How do you pack?

Mary Lawless Lee

So we have packing cubes. I mean, who are your favorites? Like, Amazon. Literally Amazon. We've had, like, fancy packing cubes.

And honestly, literally the $20 Amazon pack. So. So everyone in my family has a color. I have my own color, my husband has a color, and all three of my kids have a color. And so there's no.

There's no labeling process or anything. We just all know our color. Okay, I'm gonna steal it because I laid Amazon. How many? The packing cubes in a color.

Emisha Gormley

Yeah, that is a really. And on Amazon, I just bought the kids. We went to Spain, like, six months ago, and they all got new colors, and they got to pick out their colors. Not that we need to talk about kids stuff, but if you like, especially with kiddos, like, if you let them be involved in picking off their own colors, then they get excited. And she, like, navy, my oldest, was helping me get her bags out.

Mary Lawless Lee

She was putting them in her corner, and I just feel like, too usually my stuff would be compiled with my husband's, and he's like, oh, where's this? Where's that? And now I'm like, oh, here's yours. Here's mine. Here's your fucking color.

Emisha Gormley

Yeah. Dana. Yeah. Go to this space. Yeah.

Mary Lawless Lee

So it just, like, simplifies and helps with not overpacking. Cause, like, if it doesn't fit in this system, then we don't take it, and we try to really. So there's this whole thing now that everyone is doing, including me. It's like airport chic, right? So you're traveling picture.

Emisha Gormley

I know, but it's like, this is. It is. I want to talk about it because your airport looks also, your airport looks are important because you want to look good, but you want to really be comfortable. What are some, like, good airport looks? So I'll tell you what I literally wore yesterday.

Mary Lawless Lee

Varley. I wore a varley tracksuit. The fabric is so soft. Like, I feel like I'm in pajamas. I'm so comfortable.

It's functional. And then I put that totem long coat over it. It's a lightweight coat, so I'm not getting hot, but if I did, I can just take off the layer. But I'm also not getting cold, you know, because airports are cold, the flights get cold. And so I wore a t shirt, the sweatsuit, and then I had that over, so I had the option.

But it's also great because I'm going to wear that jacket out, you know, to various other things. But, yeah, I mean, I will say this. With kids, I'm like a mess, and I have stains all over me, and it's just like, whatever. But when I'm packing, you know, and I'm traveling solo, I do. I want to feel chic.

I want to feel put together, but still comfortable. And Varley, like, that's my go to right now. Even their socks, the socks are so comfortable. Oh, the socks are so comfortable. Like, I just feel like everything they do, there's a quality and the fit they really pay attention to.

And so that's kind of in my go to for travel. I recently became an ambassador for Travis Matthews. And, like, I wore this. It's like a three piece. I wore it to Vegas, then I wore it to, like, maybe three lacrosse games.

Emisha Gormley

It was a short kind of pin, like, striped, but it was, like, black. Everything was black. And then, like, a bra underneath it and then leggings it. I got more compliments. I was so comfortable.

I love when something looks good. It's pulled together. And also, I think, a really good trick. And I think Travis has done it well. And Varley and a lot of other, like, think monochromatic.

Yes, because that helps you pull everything together. But also, like, just, like, feeling, like, really good material. Like, it doesn't cost a lot of money. I know exactly what you're talking about. Travis.

Mary Lawless Lee

Matthew, women's, their materials, it's so good. Their new dresses, their new half zip is coming out, and they're doing a whole pickleball golf. I just shot it. It's so good. I can't wait for it.

Emisha Gormley

So good. Their dresses, when I was pregnant, I lived in them. Now I still wear them. They have, like, this. I don't know the fabric, but it is.

Mary Lawless Lee

I mean, all their fabrics are soft, but this dress, the fit of this, their dresses are so good. What about tennis shoes? Any type of, like, I'm a runner. And so when I'm traveling, I will just wear my running shoes, which I guess is, like, against the rules, but, you know, trying to, like, simplify how much I'm bringing with me. So I usually run in hocus.

I'm wearing hocus. But if I'm doing, like, a straight, fashionable moment, it's adidas. Adidas? Yeah. I love a samba.

Emisha Gormley

I love a samba. I just got the. What is it? Sambas. The fur.

Mary Lawless Lee

It's like fur on with the ones that flip over. Oh, my God. My girlfriend Megan just got me, so. They'Re sold out everywhere. I put them on my Christmas list, and my husband Madison, was like, I can't find these anywhere.

What do you want me to do? He's like, this is the only thing you asked for. And I'm like, I don't know. Find them. I need them.

And he, like, he disabled? Yes. There's a site, I think that's where my friend. That's exactly where my friend goes. My son is obsessed with goat.

It's the best. If you're looking for those obscure that they're sold out everywhere. People are reselling them on goat and for higher price point. I know. Well, he was like, I'm like, these are $400.

Emisha Gormley

And he was like, but if I were this size, it would be $99. I'm like, but you're not, so we're not getting them. I know. Goat. G o a t.

It's a really good site for resale.

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Do you do any, like, net a porter matches? You do any, like, real, real anything like that. I love moto operandi. Yeah. I love my Teresa.

So let's talk about my Teresa. She's taken over. She is taking over. I mean, let me tell you, selection is so good. Any type, any brands or suitcases that you like, bags that you like.

Base. I love base. Oh, lord. Can I. I mean, I know everyone's saying that.

Molly Sims

I don't know base. She could do an ad for base. You should hire her. Okay, the layout, it is Shay Mitchell's line. It is phenomenal.

Emisha Gormley

It's beautiful. It's chic. You know what it is? It's the layout and the inside compartments. Oh, I need that.

Molly Sims

I have, like, a crappy suitcase that I travel with from. I bought it at, like, the bond. No. Monopri in Paris. And it's literally, like, I bought it because I had over shopped when I was in Paris the last, like, two trips ago, and I bought this suitcase.

Now. That's all I take. It's literally, like, the cheapest thing, but. The biggest one I have. You have to check out base.

Mary Lawless Lee

Also, the price points for the quality and the compartments, the organization. It's hard to beat, but I will say a ways. New color. Like the camel. Oh, pretty.

So good. Like a camel color. It's so good. My friend had it on a trip, and I was like, wait, what is this? And now I love a camel.

Emisha Gormley

I just bought five away suitcases because. Did you buy a red color? I didn't, because I bought them for the kids and myself. But I'm gonna get the camel just for me. It's pretty one.

It's so pretty. I just got for this trip, so. I brought my kids with me, and I bought them. I let them pick out their own state suitcases. Beautiful.

Mary Lawless Lee

So cute. Hands down. And by the way, I love it, because, not to sound cheap, but now airports, airlines charge you for every suitcase on top of everything. And I'm like, I don't want to, like, check these kids bags, and, like, I don't want to deal with all of that. I was flying by myself with all three kids, and I let them pick out their own suitcases, and they wheeled.

Molly Sims

They were so proud. They're so proud walking through that airport, wheeling it around. And it has. It's got a great speed of compartments. It has, like, a little compartment for their markers, their crayons.

Emisha Gormley

It's a great company. It's great backpacks. Great. Yeah. It's like, give back.

Mary Lawless Lee

You can embroider their names. You can add patches. Like, we. I rush ordered everything. So I missed that.

But we got them for Christmas. That was the kids Christmas gifts was everyone got their first moment of a full suitcase with their names, and they got the matching backpack and the matching lunchbox. I feel like they cover from, like, travel to kid needs to school. They really do a good job covering it all. I know, it is just so fun to see them wheeling it.

Emisha Gormley

Is there one place in the world that you would be like, I want to go with my husband to this place. And then. Is there one place you would go with kids? Over and over? We really want to move to London.

Mary Lawless Lee

And, like, I'm just. I still have hopes one day that will happen. We just love London. The first time I traveled there, I connected with it, and then I met my husband, Madison, and it just was like, I think there's a lot. So during the pandemic, we spent eight weeks at in the english countryside at this house that was built in the 18 hundreds.

And it was when we only had one kid, it was a little bit more realistic to do that, but, yeah, we just love the city and we love the countryside, so thank you. So, I mean, truly with kids, I really want to take my kids to Iceland. I've been a few times, and it sounds a little cliche. Cause everyone's going to Iceland, but I just think that it's such an unworldly beauty, and it doesn't look like. It just doesn't look like the rest of the world.

And so I just feel like their eyes are gonna be, like, wide open the whole time. Send me kids to Iceland. I would be happy that. You know what? Such a good idea.

It's only a four hour flight from New York. It's actually. It's not bad, considering you feel like you're going to a different place. Planet. I know it's.

Emisha Gormley

My husband's gone. He loved it. Like, we felt that way when we went to the South island of New Zealand. But, I mean, that's like a 17 hours flight. Like, that's a commitment.

Are you having any travel plans this summer? I am. I'm so excited for this. I'm going to Spain with my three best girlfriends. So it's one of.

Mary Lawless Lee

It's for one of their birthdays, and we're doing a horseback riding trip in Spain. Oh, my God, that sounds amazing. It's an hour outside of Seville in Kuku tana, is the, like, farmhouse nature reserve that we're riding on. And it's literally nothing but horseback riding. And you stay on this reserve in this farmhouse, and each day we have this riding excursion, but there's, like, this.

So one of our friends doesn't ride, the other three of us ride. And when I say ride, like, I kind of ride, I learned seven or eight months ago. So, like, my other friends are very seasoned, and they've done this their whole life. And so I'm, like, trying to. I'll just trying to be.

Keep up and survive, and then my other friend is going to be riding in, like, the wagon. It's a gin wagon having cocktails. Oh, my God. By the way, I'd be. Even if I knew how to ride, I'd be like, stick me in that wagon.

Wouldn't that be amazing? She's just as excited as we are for the horse moment, as the gin wagon moment, but I can't wait to join. How important. Is it an itinerary for you. Or are you spontaneous?

So pre kids, I was pre kids, I was spontaneous. If I'm not traveling with my kids, I'm spontaneous, because I think that's a part of the excitement around traveling. I mean, yeah, like, loose plans. Like, you have something that you're, you know, a show or that's booked, of course, but Matt and I will walk in, we'll sit at a bar, at a restaurant. Like, you know, we will take our chances, and if we end up in another path, like, that's the experience.

But when I'm with kids, it is literally down to the t. So it kind of. I kind of operate in both ways. Okay, so we wanted to pick your brain on how to dress for different locations and occasions. We're going to throw out some places and let us know what you would bring.

Emisha Gormley

London, like a Sunday roast or going to, like, a midday brunch. Yes. Trench coat. I know I'm being redundant. Not like a trench coat.

Mary Lawless Lee

Chelsea boot. Just a denim and a tee. Think Copenhagen biking and working at a cafe. A little bit more elevated turtleneck, maybe a taller boot. A high rise denim and a belt.

Molly Sims

Palm Springs weekend getaway by the pool. Prints. I was just talking to my business manager about this because he lives in Palm Springs. Prints. Color.

Mary Lawless Lee

Like, I don't wear a ton of color, but, like, Palm springs, if I'm going to Palm Springs, I'm packing. What's your favorite color? If you had a color that were our favorite. Yellow. Yellow.

Yellow. I like yellow. Like a chartreuse or like a deep yellow. No, deeper yellow. A mustard.

Emisha Gormley

Like a golden. Exactly. Yes, yes, yes. It's like a moody yellow. Austin City touring barbecue tasting.

Mary Lawless Lee

Okay. Denim. All day long, you've got to do denim in Texas. What about St. Bart's?

Molly Sims

A wedding on the beach. White, white strappy dress. I mean, creams, like, flowy, oversized, like, lose a pants. A New York City dinner, a show. Walking around, oversized blazer, a great heel.

Barcelona museum, hopping with the kids. Oh, baseball hat. Like, you could do a jogger like sweatsuit, like hoodie. I think Barcelona, like, with, I'm inspired by all the graffiti and everything. And so I just think, like, something very approachable and every day.

Emisha Gormley

All right, let's talk beauty. Okay. You. Recently, you and your husband launched Nima, which is for mom and babies. Tell us a little bit about it.

Mary Lawless Lee

Yeah. I knew I was gonna launch my own product line. I didn't know what. And it wasn't until I became a mom that the light bulb really went off for me and just the vacancy in the space and just couldn't believe, like, I wanted to get my hands on certain level of products, and I couldn't. I first felt that when I wanted to stretch cream.

I felt that again when I had an emergency c section and needed a scar cream. And they're legit. There were not options out there. And I'm talking, like, clean, elevated. You know, women.

You know, women want to feel proud of the decisions they're making. They want to feel proud of the products that are sitting out on their vanity. And I just couldn't believe, like, the lack thereof in this category. And so that was after my first. It was just very clear to me, okay, this is what I'm excited to do.

This is really it. And so my husband and I, four years ago, started working on the brand we develop in the EU. We adhere to all their standards. We have active ingredients in those two formulas, and the brand since. Since those two formulas has grown into more of a mom postpartum pregnancy and now kids brand.

And, yeah, it's just, it's our baby. And our fourth baby. What does Nima mean? Oh, I love that you're asking this. So my four year old, when she was a baby, she could not call me mama, so she called me nima.

I love that. And it means God's gift in Arabic. It's amazing. Oh, I love that. It was very, like, you know, a chills moment when we.

It kind of clicked with us. And so your scar cream works on postpartum scars, but I have a daughter who has a scar that it's, you know, we need to get rid of it for her just because she's, you know, she's seven. And I don't want her to have the scar for us, for life. Would it work on children as well? Yes.

Emisha Gormley

Yes. No. We have eight year olds that use it. We have 80 year olds, scars, incisions, burns, acne scars on faces. Like, it's.

Mary Lawless Lee

It was the passion of that. That product was born from a c section scar, but it really has transcended forever beyond that. Yeah. Now, what are your. Some of your favorite beauty products that.

Emisha Gormley

You use for your Sundance makeup? You have a great pink lip on. Like, what is that, summer Fridays? I love their. I love their lip balms right now.

Molly Sims

Oh, that's a lip balm. It looks so, so pretty. I mean, I use the oil. I use the lip balm. I also love the road.

The road one's so sweet. The peptide one. It's so good. Yeah. I love that.

Mary Lawless Lee

Okay, I'm not just saying this because I'm sitting in front of you. I love the morning. Yes, I know. That's good. That's how I first started.

Emisha Gormley

Well, it's at your house. Everything, the whole, all of it's going. To be amazing because I need it back. I need a new back, a new product of it. I mean, that's how I was like, wait, what is this brand?

Mary Lawless Lee

I mean, I didn't even know it was yours. Yes. And then I was like, huh? This is so interesting. And that, that, that.

Emisha Gormley

So do the pads. Do the x pads, which we just got while I'm sitting here an hour ago. We just won. Yeah. New beauty.

We just won the awards for the expats. That's amazing. I know. I mean, do the expats, the cocktail and your. Your glow primer, and you're good to go.

Okay. What is your foundation? So I use a number of things right now. I'm using hourglass. Do you guys ever feel like you have to change foundations?

Molly Sims

I actually just had this comment the other day. I believe in having a foundation wardrobe. She's rolling her eyes at me. Wait, I have a foundation wardrobe? When you ask this question, Mary, be prepared.

Emisha Gormley

Yesterday, I'm driving, she goes, you know, I went back to the CC news. I'm like, this is a. She changes her foundation. No lie. Every time I try everything, but I have to.

Molly Sims

My skin needs are different day to day. Some days they're a little drier. Some days my skin eats makeup, depending on where I'm at turning away, she's. Like, I can't listen to this veil. Is that the one you're talking about that you love?

Emisha Gormley

Yes. It actually finally got me on it. Two shades. I do it. I'm on it.

Mary Lawless Lee

Literally. She was like, I'm gone back to the CC. I'm like, I mean, I still use. Yesterday'S last hint, don't worry. And I love my Chanel.

Emisha Gormley

And then I go, make sure you. Have you tried the chanel, the fresh complex? No, I haven't. Don't tell me this. It's fantastic.

Mary Lawless Lee

I don't change that frequently. I do, like, four different foundations throughout the year. Oh, no. It's like me a week. I do love the ilia skin tint.

Emisha Gormley

It's a little too greasy for me. Too greasy for me. Okay. So I have dry skin, so it works on my skin. Like, I have really dry skin, and I love it.

Mary Lawless Lee

Does it stay on all day? No, but, like, most of the time, you know, I'm just kind of putting it on as, like, a very simple layer not to like. I really love it. Give the it cosmetics. Cc, nude glow a whirl.

Okay. Just mine. In terms of treatment, supplements, infrared, red light, anything that you love, that you're like, gotta do this. You gotta have that. You know what?

Since now that I'm. We're done, we're not having any more kids laser treatments. That has made the biggest difference in my pigmentation and also the texture. That's really what I've leaned into is just laser treatments and trying to even. Cause I had melasma during pregnancy.

I mean, honestly, just drinking water. Yeah, no. Hydration. Hydration. How is your nutrition?

I am not a meal eater. I eat like, ten times a day. It drives my husband crazy. Cause I don't eat in, like, formed meals unless we're going to dinner. Okay.

Emisha Gormley

You have a very beautiful energy about you. Have you always had this? I have a deep appreciation from where I come from and what home means to me and in my heart. And I just, you know, I'm super thankful for, you know, where I'm at and just to be a mom and my kids and the joy and to be able to do what I love for a living. And there's just, like, not a day that goes by and I mean this, that I don't, like, think about that.

Mary Lawless Lee

You know, we have the roller coaster and we, you know, we have shit days, but I genuinely, at the end of the day, I'm just, like, super thankful. And that really started with, like, what my parents, you know, created at home for me. And I just always go back to. That beautiful little rapid fire here on lipstick on the rim, checked bag or carry on carry on. Packed by.

Molly Sims

Well, I packed by. Outfits or individual pieces? Oh, God, I still struggle with this. Packed and planned. Are you a daytime flight, a nighttime flight, or a red eye, like, first.

Mary Lawless Lee

Thing in the morning? Absolutely. 05:00 a.m., fall, winter, spring or summer? Fall. Beach or city?

Emisha Gormley

Beach. What's your superpower? Hmm. I hope people would say it's kindness. I hope stage fright or confidence queen.

Hmm. A little bit of both. Little bit of both. What's your go to cocktail? Gin.

Mary Lawless Lee

Anything with gin. Gin. Gin. Good thing you got a gin wagon up there. I know, I'm an old lady.

Anything with gin. What's your biggest vice? I'm stubborn. Coffee or tea? Coffee.

Molly Sims

Salty or sweet? Salty. Text. Call Facetime. No, do not Facetime me.

Emisha Gormley

Text. We ask every guest before they go, if you could give advice to your ten year old self, what would it be? Don't overthink it. Simple. I'd like to see the little ten year old Mary.

Molly Sims

Aw. Ten year old Mary lawlessly, by the way. What a great name. Let's just, like, for a second. Mary Lawlessly.

Emisha Gormley

Love it. We love your name. Love it. It just rolls off the tongue so well. You're amazing.

You're fun, you're chic, you're cool. You're a great mom. You're a great CEO. We're so happy for happily gray and Nima, and I'm getting the scar stuff, like, immediately. And by the way, I need the scar stuff for sure.

Okay, just so you guys know where to find her. Lawlessly on Instagram and lawless underscore Lee on TikTok and her website. It's so beautiful. It's so chic. It's called happilygray.com.

You're amazing. We love you. Thank you, guys. That was it. Thank you for coming on.

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