How to Curate Your Top Shelf, The Secret to Getting Rid of Under Eye Bags, Spotting Vitamin Deficiencies in Your Skin, The Truth About Retinal, and More with Knockout Beauty's Cayli Cavaco Reck

This episode explores the intricate connections between beauty, skincare, and wellness with insights from Knockout Beauty's Cayli Cavaco Reck.

1. Skincare is deeply connected to overall wellness, with dietary habits significantly affecting skin health.
2. Vitamin deficiencies, particularly A, B, and K, play critical roles in common skin issues like acne and under-eye circles.
3. Proper skincare involves more than topical treatments; it requires a holistic approach including diet and lifestyle adjustments.
4. The importance of curating skincare tailored to individual needs, focusing on ingredient efficacy and personal skin concerns.
5. Insights into innovative beauty products and techniques that align with health-conscious beauty practices.

1: Introduction to Guest and Topic

Cayli Cavaco Reck is introduced as a beauty expert with a deep background in skincare. The hosts discuss her credentials and the episode's focus on beauty and wellness. Molly Sims: "We're thrilled to have Cayli here to dive deep into the beauty secrets intertwined with wellness."

2: The Science of Skincare and Vitamins

Cayli explains the scientific background of how vitamins affect skin health and which deficiencies to look out for. Cayli Cavaco Reck: "Vitamin deficiencies are often the culprits behind skin issues like acne and dark circles."

3: Practical Skincare Tips

Discussion on practical skincare approaches, including the use of specific products to address issues like hydration and aging. Cayli Cavaco Reck: "It's crucial to use skincare products that address your specific concerns, tailored to your skin's needs."

4: Curating Beauty Products

Cayli shares her method for selecting products for her beauty line, emphasizing ingredient quality and effectiveness. Cayli Cavaco Reck: "We blind test products to ensure they perform well regardless of branding or packaging."

5: Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The episode wraps up with Cayli providing final advice on maintaining healthy skin through a balanced approach to beauty and wellness. Cayli Cavaco Reck: "Remember, your skincare routine should be as unique as you are, focusing on what truly works for your body and lifestyle."

• Hydrate: Increasing water intake can improve skin hydration and overall health.
• Balance Diet: Incorporate a balanced diet rich in vitamins A, B, and K to combat skin deficiencies.
• Regular Cleansing: Wash your face twice daily to remove impurities and prevent skin issues.
• Sun Protection: Always use sunscreen to protect against harmful UV rays and prevent premature aging.
• Consult Professionals: Seek advice from skincare experts to tailor a regimen that fits your specific needs.

It's no surprise Cayli Cavaco Reck is the daughter of two former Vogue editors given her knack for curation and impeccable taste. What began as a passion project on Instagram, called Knocking 40, has since blossomed into Knockout Beauty, a thriving boutique retail space and bespoke skincare consultancy with six locations and counting. Cayli shares with us the extensive and detailed process she undergoes to curate her store, delves into beauty secrets and their connection to wellness, reveals her absolute go-to skincare products, and even provides insider tips on how to get rid of dark circles. P.S. we recommend listening with a pencil and paper (and credit card) in hand.

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Molly Sims

The following podcast is a dear media production. Hey, I'm Molly Sims. And I'm Emisha Gormley. We're two girls obsessed with one thing. Beauty.

Beauty. And by that, we mean everything that makes you look and feel beautiful. We're calling on our favorite health experts, industry insiders, and friends to answer all. Your beauty questions with a drink in hand. Definitely with a drink in hand.

You're listening to lipstick on the rim with Molly Sims.

Gosh, there is nothing, I mean, nothing I love more than a curated shopping experience. I mean, you're preaching to the choir here, especially with a curated beauty shopping experience. I just want you guys to know that I do not, and everyone needs to know this. And I have three very special guests, besides our major guests here at the headquarters in Los Angeles, California, at Dear Media. Our three very special guests are Maeve Gormley, Grace Gormley, Lily Gormley.

They're our audience. Along with Marshall Scott, they're here fangirling over our producer and our producers with us. But they're going to be our audience today. But I have to say that if you guys did not know this, I need everyone to know this. I do not shop when I am not with Emma Shaw.

And if I do shop, I send it to her and then she sends it back to me, and then I. And I purchase. That is a fact. But what I do. Sorry, Stuber.

Sorry, Stuber. But what I do do is I do know where the latest and the greatest in terms of everything involving pretty much beauty. And now wellness is. Today's guest takes me back to my youth because she is the daughter of actually two Vogue editors, but one very special, sweet editor. Her father, Paul Kavaco, who I absolutely love.

I'm obsessed with her dad. We have Kylie Kavaco Rec. She's founder of one of the most amazing and well curated boutiques and bespoke skincare consultancies, knockout beauty. And I love it because she had this deep fascination, still does, with skin, just like us, and has spent years researching ingredients, formulations. What started out as an Instagram knocking on 40, which I love it, where she documented her learnings, shared her own skin journeys and challenges, has led her to where she is now an incredible business.

Okay, what do we have? We have Aspen, we have Brentwood. We have the hamptons. Right, the Hamptons, which is the first. Store I ever went into, and I remember as a beauty junkie walking in, in Bridgehampton and going, oh, dear Lord, I need to walk out or I'm just gonna have to like, leave my credit card on the table and fight with my husband.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

That was the original. That was the OG. You're opening now in Dallas. Yes. We are so excited to talk to you, Kylie.

Molly Sims

All things beauty secrets and their connection to wellness. We're so happy to have you on. Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be here. We're so happy to have our guests on as well.

Our many guests. Our many guests. Listen, you have two prominent family members who are in this high, high world of fashion. Was that good, bad, hard to grow up in with that much pressure of who your parents were? I didn't know any different, so they were my mom and dad.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

And I think what I gained out of having them in fashion was a love of beauty and a love of looking and being curious. I was always looking around. My mother would always say, you know, look out the window to just take in what was going on. She would always take me to museums. She would always point out architecture.

So, yes, they were in fashion, but fashion was sort of the foil for beauty. I love that. Yeah. And your dad, I just. I'm obsessed with him.

Molly Sims

I am so excited. I love father daughter connections. I think, you know, as being a mom to three girls, I think that this connection that girls have with their dad is always so special. Seeing you and your dad and you. Have a podcast now, and it's called under the COVID with her father, Paul Kavaco.

And Kylie, I love that. It is a great podcast. You've got, like, seven or eight episodes out right now, and it is on fire. So I'm super excited for that. How did you become interested in skin beauty?

Kylie Kavaco Reck

I think it originally started backstage and on set with my parents. When you are at work with your parents, especially in the fashion and beauty world, you're with the hair and makeup artists. That's where you sit. Yeah. So I found myself just mesmerized by watching these incredible artists transform and transform these beautiful girls into almost works of art.

And it was just an inspiring thing to see as a young person. As I got older and my skin started to change and I experienced breakouts, I became curious about skin. And the tie in between skin and wellness really started from my mom, who was diagnosed with cancer when I was young. So I think her concept around really drilling into my mind that your skin is your largest organ, and that that is the gateway to your health, I think began at a very, very young age. I think you tie in skincare and wellness in such a way, and it was actually you and I had a conversation right around Christmas, and I was complaining.

Emisha Gormley

I always am very, very vocal about my under eyes. If you listen to this show, you know, and you were like, before you do anything, let's try to do a few things, you know, superficially, so to speak. Right. With topically. And one of the things you told me, after you told me what products to use was, you also loaded me up on vitamins because you were like, dark circles, while they're hereditary, are also signs of some deficiencies.

Can you speak to how that interacts? Sometimes I think we don't really think of vitamins as being key to something like dark circles. Like, we just think it's topical. Right. I think that most of what we experience actually, as skin concerns are actually related to deficiencies.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

The under eye is often connected to vitamin K deficiency. Vitamin K. I did not know that. Yeah, vitamin K. And what about, like, acne?

Molly Sims

Right. Cause that is one of the things that I think whether you have young girls, older girls, or you have adult acne, do you find particularly that there's vitamin deficiencies there that someone should grab sort of start with before they go on an accutane or spirulactin or something harsher? 100%. So, again, I do not give medical advice, but vitamin A is really the core part of accutane. That is what it is.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

It's a very high dose of accutane. So what we're talking about when we talk about skin and the upset around acne or blemishes or whatever, they're all connected to a vitamin A deficiency. So before we get into loading our skin up or our body up with a high dose of vitamin A, we want to slowly introduce vitamin A. Vitamin A is fat soluble. So we build up the fat.

It build up, excuse me, the vitamin A in our fat, and we hold onto it. So we actually create a scenario where we want to get to the optimal level of vitamin A. And a way to get there quickly for people is accutane. It's not necessarily the best way to get there, but that is what is causing. It's the deficiency in vitamin A.

Molly Sims

Is there one piece of advice you would give our listeners when it comes to taking care of your skin? Wash your face. Wash your face morning and night. Did you hear her Emma show? Cause I don't listen.

I shower. I obviously wash my face in the morning, but I don't use a cleanser in the morning. Do you use actives at night? Oh, we could co host this podcast together. Shall we, Kylie?

Emisha Gormley

Yeah, that was literally the answer, yeah. Do you use actives at night? Is collagen considered an active? Not really, no. Sorry.

Molly Sims

Yeah. So I don't use a lot of actives all once in a while. I use retinol, but not a ton. But we're gonna say it again. The reason to wash your face is if you wear actives at night and you get up the next morning and you don't wash your face, and you go out, start your day into the sun with actives on, it is not the best for your skin.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

Yes. And I think the reality is, is that it doesn't also prime your skin to accept any of the critical ingredients for great skin. So during the day, you want to apply products that are going to be doing some work. Yeah, I mean, you're awake for a long time of the day. You're awake longer than you're sleeping for the most people.

So that's the time when your skin can actually do a lot of heavy lifting as well. And a lot of those molecules are quite small, and they will not be able to penetrate into an unwashed face. So what would you say are some of the most important things to apply on your skin in the morning to do that heavy lifting during the day? I love that question. So can we have a quick science lesson, please?

Okay, so uv rays create uv radiation, and uv radiation creates free radicals. Free radicals are a molecule that's missing an electron. So what happens is that molecule will scavenge your face looking for that missing electron or your body, actually, not just your face. An antioxidant, a topical antioxidant, will actually donate the missing electron to that molecule and neutralize it. So having a topical antioxidant every day, during the day, is actually critical.

Emisha Gormley

And what are some of your favorites? A c. You know, I think you want something that is strong enough that it's going to protect you while simultaneously actually make a little bit of a change. You want a micro change. You don't want to be sloughing off your face every day.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

You want a little micro change every day. And it's the cumulative effect of that that creates the results that you want.

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Molly Sims

What are the most common deficiency found in women and what's the way to combat them? I would say the most common deficiency in women in general is probably vitamin D. That is really not going to be related to your skin and how it looks. It's related to your skin in another way, but not the appearance of your skin. The appearance of your skin is related to vitamins A, B, and C.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

So the abcs of skin. Vitamin A is the great educator of the skin. It tells the skin how to behave and what to do. Vitamin B is the great problem solver. It says, don't freak out, don't get too red, don't become.

It's really working on the skin from really an abortive way rather than a prophylactic way. So it's really stopping what's problematic, whereas a is working in a prophylactic way. I love that. How do the vitamin deficiencies show up in the skin? Interesting.

Vitamin A shows up often, as we will see it primarily as acne or fine lines. You also will see it as pigment too. But vitamin B is critical. When you have acne, that's something you really want to introduce. So vitamin B, also known as niacinamide.

Vitamin B three. So that's something that you would want to introduce when the skin is upset, whereas when we say fine lines, the skin's not upset. Can you look at someone, like, can you look at me right now? And obviously, probably vitamin K, you're going to say, but what vitamin deficiencies I have. Like, can you look at someone walking into knockout beauty?

Emisha Gormley

Knockout beauty. I can. If someone walks in, you can honestly say, okay, here's what I'm seeing exactly. You know, what are you using? Like, that's a big thing to have.

Molly Sims

Especially what we love about knockout beauty. It's so curated. You have barrier. You have things that fight hyperpigmentation, melasma, things that help for real anti aging. So I'm sure that helps, you know, when someone's walking and be like, okay, what do you think I need?

You can honestly answer that? Yes. I mean, everyone that works at knockout is trained in the knockout beauty methodology. And part of that methodology is also being able to recognize the deficiencies and how they show up in the skin. And do you do a combination of oral and topical?

Emisha Gormley

Do you think that it's like, can you achieve a real significant increase in vitamin B deficiency topically? Or you say you need oral. All. Everything that I talk about is topical, topical. Everything is topical, because the reality is that your body does not manufacture in any significant amount.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

Vitamins A, B, C, D, E, those are all qualified as essential micronutrients. So there's something that the body needs, but that's what we need for our eye health and our brain health and our, you know, organ function. I mean, yes, our skin is our largest organ, but we can topically supplement, and that is where we can see the change. I'm not advocating for people taking anything internally unless it is for something that is a true deficiency in other ways. So usually when we see under eye circles, it's a deficiency in an internal manner that is, that probably should be fortified.

Molly Sims

Let's talk about maximizing hyaluronic acid benefits. Okay. Beyond the obvious hyaluronic acid serum, what are other ways we should be incorporating hyaluronic and what are the benefits? Are you ready? I'm ready.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

You must be hydrated internally, so. Exactly. Sipping my water. Hold on a second. So hyaluronic acid has the potential to swell to a thousand times its molecular weight in size.

So it's working with the body's own hydration and also the atmospheric water. So what we're talking about, when we talk about a hyaluronic acid, particularly a high end hyaluronic acid, it's a multimolecular weight, meaning that it is plunging to different layers of the skin based on the size of the molecule and that baby size that's plunging deeply into the skin, that's giving you that sort of lit from within look that is working with your internal hydration. Now, you and I talked about hyaluronic acid, and you mentioned a dry, the. Dried hyaluronic, freeze dried hyaluronic. I haven't tried this yet.

Molly Sims

Oh, I want to try this. Oh, it's, it's fantastic. And I think one of the things that's amazing about it when we talk about actives is this particular hyaluronic is active for 72 hours. Amazing. So what that allows your skin to do is to accept other actives when you are not using that product.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

So if you are putting on a hyaluronic and then you're putting on a retinol, both of those want to be the closest to your skin. So, in fact, if you're putting a retinol on over a hyaluronic, it's probably going to eat that molecule, right. So it's allowing your skin to get the boost of hydration and keep it for 72 hours. And then the other two days, you can use your retin, whatever you want. And what is the brand?

It's Sarah Derue. What is it? Sarah saro. S a r o. Daru.

I love all this note taking. Oh, we note copious note takers. S a r o d e. D r u e. R u e.

Molly Sims

Done. And when you say freeze dry, it's in a capsule, like, what you have to. How do you. It's a little tablet, and then you. Activate it and you just put it on your face.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

Exactly. So what will happen is you activate it, it will melt, and then you will apply it to your skin. A lot of people think hyaluronic is a hoax, especially brands that charge a fortune. So hyaluronic acid is naturally existing in your body. So there's not a hoax.

So it's absolutely real. I think the conversation around hyaluronic acid is very confusing because it shows up in so many different ways. It's really the primary ingredient in filler. Hyaluronic. Hyaluronic.

Emisha Gormley

But there are, I mean, I think the price range for hyaluronic acids can range from something you. Twenty dollars to one thousand dollars a. Brand for $20 to, like, I have no idea how much the freeze dried one is, but I'm pretty sure it's. I mean, I have no idea. It's not a king's ransom.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

However, what you do understand about skincare is that it's about the quality of the ingredients. So when we talked about the multiple molecular weight of hyaluronic to achieve, that is expensive. Yeah. Right. So you're not so much dealing with the actual hyaluronic molecule, but the engineering to get that particular hyaluronic to be multimolecular.

Molly Sims

Is there a lower priced hyaluronic that you could suggest? You know, I think there's a ton of great hyaluronics. The ordinary makes a great hyaluronic. Yeah, I've heard that one too. For sure.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

Yeah. And do you think there's an age at which you should absolutely start taking using a hyaluronic acid? You know, I believe that there's no age specific anything anymore. I'll say this. I think for younger girls who are maybe sensitive to too much moisturizer.

So hydration being water moisturizer, moisture being oil, in this conversation, they can use a hyaluronic to give themselves that extra boost when they feel dry, as opposed to putting moisturizer on. And I feel like what happens is girls are getting into moisturizer slightly too late. Cause they don't like the way it feels, or it's too thick and they're drying their skin out, which is causing adverse reactions. So that would be my first thing to say. But I would say also at around 27, when our fertility starts to go.

Emisha Gormley

Down and we start losing collagen too, right? Yes. So that's 27 really sucks. 27. Don't turn 27, guys.

Molly Sims

Let me tell you. Okay. Yeah, no, go ahead. The lowdown on retinol and retin a, what's the difference between retinal, retinol and retinoid? Okay, so retinoids are a chemical compound.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

Not all a is a retinoid or a retinol, but all of those are actually vitamin a. And retinoids are the chemical compound. Retinol Al is slightly less potent than a prescription retinol ol is, you know, what we find over the counter. And what do you think is the most efficient out of all of them? Like, what would you.

Emisha Gormley

What do you use? Good question. I primarily use retinil. What's retinil? So it's a.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

It's a very gentle form, and I believe in a low level vitamin a all the time, as opposed to a spike of retinol, I feel the same. I had the last call. I think the reason why my success is so good, it's got cushion in it, but it's also not super, super strong where it's going to make you dry, red, irritated, but it's got enough of an active, but also the cushion to not dry you out. But the genius of wise is that you've done it so that sometimes you're using the retinol, sometimes you're using the c, and sometimes you're using the problem solver. So you've created a line that is allowing for that alchemy and what's correct for each person's skin.

So for us, I'm in my forties. So it's approximately, the rule of thumb is sort of one day a week per decade. So I would be a four day a week retinal use a week per decade. And that's just a good rule of thumb. Right.

And because as we age, our cellular turnover slows down. So I say, I have never used a vitamin a and I'm about to use it for the first time. What would I expect to see? What change could I expect? How transformative is it to my skin?

Molly Sims

And what kind of brands should we be looking at for vitamin A? So I really like environ for vitamin A. And the price point is good. Yeah. And I like to start again because it is fat soluble, so you build it up in your body.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

So I like to begin with their Avst gel. I like it for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is that it, it's tolerated by most people and it's in a water base. What I will say about vitamin A and retinol, again, because they are not the same, is you do want a low level of vitamin A, as I said, daily. But retinol ol is something that you want to do, as we discussed.

Now, with that in mind, what you will notice if you go up the vitamin A track too quickly. Sometimes people say, oh, I'm breaking out from it. You're not breaking out from it or you're not allergic to it, you're having a vitamin A response. And that vitamin A response is actually indicative of a vitamin A deficiency. So that's why it's critical that you consult with someone.

That's why we've created the consultancy of knockout beauty, so that people kind of push through that moment or they don't go too quickly into a retinol or use it too many days and experience that response and not get the result of what you're really going for is that beautiful, refreshed look. And I think that's what the genius is about. Knockout beauty. Like, if you sign up for your SMS, you sign up for your newsletter. Like, you really do have such a great education.

Molly Sims

And within your consulting part of your company, that really does make a huge difference because a lot of people don't know. I think what you've done has kind of been a game changer because it's not that you're creating just like the top shelf, but you're also giving the education behind it and why you should use it or not. Right? I like to think of it like we are, you know, skin coaches or skin nutritionists. Skin nutritious.

Emisha Gormley

And you can do this all online, right? You actually. We do it virtually, virtually. Virtual appointments. We do.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

And then we also do. We do them in store. Yeah. So we have a couple of different ways to interact with us. Now let's talk about the importance of face massage.

Emisha Gormley

I love a good face massage, so. Me too. What are some of the key benefits? So the massage is actually moving the lymph around our body. Our circulatory system, our blood circulatory system is pumped by our heart, but we actually don't have a pump for our lymphatic system.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

So massage works as the pump. So it's like taking the trash out. And do you have a favorite tool? My hands. Your hands and your own hands are uniquely prepared to do that because our body, we're all like a puzzle, right?

So our jawline fits in between our forefinger and our middle finger perfectly, whereas your jawline, we're all doing it together now. But your jawline fits uniquely here, from your base knuckle to your middle knuckle is uniquely proportioned to you, which is also uniquely portioned to your face. And how long should you do this for? You know, I think even if you gave yourself like 1 minute of massage every day, you would see a change in the morning. I actually like at night.

At night, I like to check in with myself. Cause I actually also then like to feel, you know, when you, after you massage your face, you wanna flush it down your neck. And that's when I can feel my lymph. And that's how I know, like, oh, getting sick. I can tell what's happening with my body.

I can check in in the morning. I'm rushed. Yeah. Are there any at home tools you love? I mean, I love the derma roller.

Molly Sims

The derma roller. Okay. The derma roller. What's the derma roller. So it's the tool that I love is the tool from environ, the gold roll ci tool.

Oh, I have it. It's amazing. And it really allows for the product to penetrate deeply. Tiny little needles. Like tiny.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

That's right. And it helps your serums, your actives. Go into your skin a little bit better. And there's a lot of controversy around it, honestly. And some people say, oh, no, it's bad, or, no, it's good or whatever.

Molly Sims

Well, the whole thing about, like, you've got to properly clean it because the bacteria and the whole thing, which is. Like, I mean, honestly. Yes, exactly. Clean your instruments. Clean your instruments.

Okay. Hormones. Yes. You know, we're going into. We're not going ever into menopause, but if we were going.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

I'm here for you. If we were going to. How does that play a role? And our skin, I mean, sadly, so many roles, right? I mean, I think hormones can be our best friend.

Right. Some women, when they're pregnant, they're glowing and gorgeous, and some women, those hormones wreak havoc, you know, and both are a critical piece of our health and well being. What you see at the hormone change of adolescence and menarche, which is the word for the beginning of period. Right. So the time when women begin their menses is called menarche.

And the other side of that is menopause. And at menarche, what we see is a deficiency, often in vitamin a, and that's when skin usually breaks out. At menopause, we usually see the skin beginning to, unfortunately, begin to line. What we see in perimenopause is often inflammation because the body gets quite inflamed during perimenopause, which often results in rosacea or perioral dermatitis. Is there anything that you can do, you know, supplement wise, to combat any of this?

It's a great question. The best thing for your body that is the most natural is actually seed cycling. What is that? It is taking seeds at different times of the month to actually get your hormones to be balanced. Seed cycling.

I love how in sync that was. What? Okay. I mean, I don't even know what that means. Hold on.

Emisha Gormley

What is seed cycling? Hold on. Tell us what seed cycling is. Seed cycling is the process of using different blends of seeds at different times of the month to support your hormone health. And where do you get these seeds?

Kylie Kavaco Reck

There's actually an amazing brand called Bea b e e y a. She has a podcast too, actually. Oh, really? Yes. Called behind her empire, the BIA brand has taken this sort of arduous task of blending seeds and putting them together for you, and they have two of them, so use different ones during different parts of your cycle.

Molly Sims

That's amazing. Isn't that cool? And you've noticed a difference? Yes. Wow.

Knockout beauty is one of the most curated stores ever. How do you curate knockout beauty? We get hundreds of missions a week, and what we do is we decant the product blindly. And then I try it. So I'm not looking at the packaging.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

I'm not looking at this beautiful top shelf right. That we're so used to. I'm not looking at, oh, does this go with this or with that? I spend a lot of time on my back. You actually have amazing packaging.

Molly Sims

Thank you. You're welcome. So that's how I do it. First, I try it without kind of this other information, and I look at the ingredient deck. Does the brand keep its promise?

Kylie Kavaco Reck

You can say there's something in your product, and there may very well be, but at what amount? Right? So it's like, is that even therapeutic, or is it just in name? The second part of it is really thinking about, is this supporting our community, and is this just another brand to put on the shelf, or does it solve a problem? Can it help somebody?

And if it can help somebody, I'm interested. I love that you blind test, though. There's no packaging. There's nothing to wow you over. It's.

Molly Sims

It's the ingredients. And how does it feel? Does it work? You know what I mean? I've actually never shared that with people, so people may not even know that.

I love that. Has there ever been a product that you blind tested like that, that you were like, holy crap, this is amazing. What is this? Yeah, it's called problem solver from wise. I might quote you on that.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

I tried it. I decanted it. And it. You know, I was like. And I know what category it is, right.

So I decanted it, and I know that it's, like, sort of a spot treatment. So I think, okay, great. Now I don't know whether I'm treating blems. I don't know what I'm really treating in this one because it's called problem solver. So.

And I don't actually. I don't even think I noted the name, but I noted it was a spot treatment, so I put it on a blem, and it actually helped the blem. I put it on rosacea. It helped the rosacea. And then I put on my brown spots, and it helped brown spots.

Molly Sims

You could use it as an all over treatment or as a spot treatment. Which was kind of amazing. It was based on a little bit like, it was based on my issue with being addicted to hydroquinone. Oh, okay. And that's, as you know, it would work.

I mean, hydroquinone works, but it's also banned in Europe. It's banned in Europe. And the moment you go outside, it's. Like the ricochet effect. Right?

Kylie Kavaco Reck

It's a ricochet or the boomerang, where you throw out the boomerang and it comes back twice as hard. And with the problem solver, I tried to get as clean as I could without losing the efficacy, but that is my ode to hydroquinone in a very clean and, to your point, efficacious way. Efficacious, but also safe. There was a couple of products that, you know, were based on that I felt really worked for me, but I thought, okay, how can I make them better? How can I make them clean?

Molly Sims

Because at the base, I know what. Products they are based on, and that's why I kind of fell in love with it, because I know what they're. What it's based on, but it's excluded all the things that I'm not interested in. I know. And that's what makes it so special.

Thank you.

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Molly Sims

I just put it on in the. Morning, and I'm set for the rest of the day. Okay. It is also perfect for pre teens. Yes, you, Brooke Stuber, and teens, especially with all of those sweet, sweaty sports, which, unfortunately, I'm all too familiar with these days.

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Molly Sims

Okay, let's look at your day. Let's start with beauty first and then we'll go to wellness. What is your like favorite foundation or favorite skincare or favorite retin like, give us some. Give us some brands. Ride or dyes.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

I mean, I am brand agnostic, so if we think about. I have melasma, as you have said. You do. And I. Sometimes I need a little cosmetics.

Cause, like, we love our cinema cc nude glow. We love our cc nude glow in a medium. You know, your skin looks really good. Thank you so much. Yeah, I do work with you.

Molly Sims

Are you doing the Cc cream today? No, I was lucky enough to have someone do my makeup today, and it's a Nars concoction. That's really good, though. It's really good. It's good.

We love a glow. Me too. Do you know what's on your cheek? Yes, it is Nars. It's probably the orgasm.

It's so pretty. It's a layering of a couple of different. I had this incredible makeup artist, uzo, and she is one of the national artists for nars, and she is unbelievable. Okay, what is your favorite lips? Anything.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

Lip is really an interesting thing. Do you know how to find your perfect lip color? Isn't it the inside of your this? That's actually great for your cheek color. Cheek.

So the inside of your lip is a great indicator of what your cheek should be. But actually, your great color color is at the tip of your finger. Uzo reminded me of this today, actually. And also, if you pinch it, that's sort of what it looks like when it's darker. Right.

So you get that flush. So I've kind of fallen in love with a great red. And if I'm feeling a red, I love the Gucci Westman red. It's a gorgeous red. I love red from Gucci.

I also, makeup by Mario has a sick red. Makeup by Mario. It is the best reds, the best nudes. It's so good. It stays on.

Molly Sims

There's, I think, a new, like, matte lustra. It's beautiful. My favorite knockout beauty color is probably. I love g beauty for my lip. G beauty does a prime skin that tint.

Emisha Gormley

I will tell you, it is one of my favorite when I don't really want to wear any makeup. You would love it. It's a tinted primer, not a tinted moisturizer. Exactly. And it really gives the most beautiful glow.

It sure does. You can layer on after layer. Might just get it now. Knockout beauty. Do you carry it?

Molly Sims

We sure did. I did. I'll do it on my app. Literally. You will absolutely love it.

Emisha Gormley

It just looks like your skin with. Nothing on it, and it feels like nothing. And I get the hyaluronic tablet. I need the tablets also. I'm a real Pat McGrath girl.

Molly Sims

Love Pat McGrath. I love Pat McGrath. I really enjoy, almost honestly, all of the lip glosses. Like, I could pretty much pick up anyone, like, even that blue one that you think it's not gonna be amazing, and you put it on and your teeth look so white and gorgeous. She has an incredible red lipstick called obsessed.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

She does. That is a really good red. She sure does. It's more of a tomatoey red, but it's a really good red. It's a good red on tan blondes.

So that's why you love it. Yeah, I love it. It's not the darker red. Okay. Fragrance.

Molly Sims

Yeah, fragrance. I mean, you know, I don't know about you, but the French say you should only change your fragrance when you have a life event. For everything else, you change your heel height. And I think about this concept is sort of like, I get stuck on a fragrance for a while. I do too.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

I went to Paris with my children right when France opened back up after the pandemic, and I purchased two fragrances. One is Amyris, and the other one from the same perfumer was bacquere Rouge baccarat. And was this maison Kirk de Jean. Exactly. That is exactly what it is.

And the reality is that I am in menopause, so my skin is very powdery. So it smells good on me now. I think it smells good on a lot of people, which is why it's so popular. People love it, but I'm surprised that my skin likes it, actually. Yeah.

I was a big Frederick Maul girl for a long time. I love gratitude, too. I have Frederick Maul, and I like. To portrait of a lady. I like to mix portrait of a lady, which is the largest concentration of roses in a perfume.

Did you know that? No. And I like to mix that with carnal flower. I love carnal flower and that combo together. If you like those two, grab the portrait of a lady, the body oil, and then use carnal flower as the eau de parfum, and you will lose your minds.

Molly Sims

Okay. I love it. It is beyond sexy. Okay. Do you carry any fragrance at knockout?

Kylie Kavaco Reck

I do. Which ones do you just carry those? I have to tell you, I don't. But the one that I'm obsessed with, the brand I'm obsessed with is Ellis Brooklyn. Oh, I love.

Molly Sims

The kids love it. We love Bea. I love it. Bea Shapiro, you know who uses Ellis, is my daughter right there. I love her.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

She's really an amazing woman. Yeah, she is. And she's built an amazing business. I like to say her fragrances are the soundtrack to my sensorial life. I think they just.

They're like the perfume of my life that takes me from the moment I started knockout. I was in a meeting with somebody, and actually, I discovered Ellis. Cause it was behind me, and I was meeting with this beauty woman, and I said, I'm so sorry. What is that fragrance in here? And she said, oh, it's back there if you want to smell it.

Immediately. The meeting was now no longer interesting to me. I was totally interested in this. Ellis, Brooklyn. And the moment I opened knockout, she was my first call.

Emisha Gormley

Oh, I love that. So, and how long has knockout been in business? Eight years. And guess what? Today is her birthday.

That is so happy knockout birthday. Happy knockout birthday. Oh, my God. Whenever you need anything in the hamptons, it is the best. And your facialist, who I am obsessed with.

Molly Sims

What's her name? Lyudmila. Lyudmila. Okay. Any masks, any treatments, any wellness.

Like, you know, she's like, where do I begin? Tricks. I love a mask. I love a mask. Hello.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

So I have two that I really love, that I actually use in tandem with each other. One is the environ revival mask. It is three different types of acids. I love that one. And you can do it for 20 minutes, or you can sleep in it, which is quite cool.

Molly Sims

What's it called? Environ. It's the revival mask. Revival. Okay.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

Facelift in a jar. Love it. It's incredible. And what I like to do is if I do it for 20 minutes, then after I rinse it off, I tone my face, and then I put on one of the midair sheet masks. And especially for me, I can use a different one depending on what my skin's doing.

So I actually think I sent you one. That lipo oval, which helps to reduce puffiness. And you can actually. A little hack is you can cut that one up and use it under your eyes, which is kind of cool, but it also works really well for carving out the jawline and the cheekbones. So if I'm going to do something on camera I'd like to do, I use that.

If I'm my rosacea's perking up, I use one called red epox, which is kind of incredible. And that one, actually, for people that feel like they can't mask, and, you know, those people exist, you know, where they're like, my skin is just too sensitive. It's incredible because it works with the nervous system of your skin. Redipox does. Yes.

Molly Sims

How do you spell it? R e d a p a x. Redipox. And it's two different words. Retypox.

Oh, that's. I feel like rosacea is one of those things that everybody tries to heal, and a lot of people suffer from it, and they just can't. And they think it's diet or it's this. Eliminate that. It's like melasma, right?

Kylie Kavaco Reck

There's a lot of different triggers, and it's. You're kind of on an investigative report to figure out what your triggers are, so Molly and I both have melasma. We probably have different triggers. I have rosacea, and I have a different trigger than someone else may. And I have eczema, which is different from your rosacea, but I have.

Exactly. Yeah. It's so crazy. You also turned me onto the MBR face cream, and I did. That is, I apologize, phenomenal.

It's just. It's an incredible, incredible formulation. We're gonna put all of Kylie's must haves in our show notes so you can directly buy from there. So don't worry. We got you.

Molly Sims

If you don't have a pen and paper, driving or walking or you're yelling at your kids should draw a rapid fire. Yeah, I know. I don't want her to go. Okay. If you had only one skincare product for the rest of your life, what would it be?

Kylie Kavaco Reck

That's a really hard question. It's like asking me to choose a child. I think, for me, probably the Avst gel. Ivst gel. Ivst gel.

Molly Sims

What's the one thing that's always in your bag? Sunglasses. What's most interesting thing that you've learned recently? I feel like you're a wealth of nutrients. You're like a wealth of, like.

You're like an encyclopedia of skincare. I learned that you can supplement your vitamin D all day long, and some people just can't up their levels. And it's because the best bioavailable form of vitamin D is actually a chemical reaction with the cholesterol in your skin and the uvb rays and that bioconverts into vitamin D. Oh, wow. Okay.

Emisha Gormley

I don't even know if I registered half of that. I'm like, hold on. Pretending I'm nodding. And I'm like, basically that. What does that actually mean?

Kylie Kavaco Reck

This is what it means. It means that the best way for us to receive our vitamin D is actually from the sun, and it's actually interacting. We figured that part, but what does that have to do with the cholesterol? Because that's how it bioconverts. If we don't have enough cholesterol in our skin and we're sugar forward, we're actually doing something called glycating, which is causing the brown.

Molly Sims

Interesting. Not to be confused with the tan. Right, right. The brown spot. Got it.

Okay. Are you a morning person or night person? I'm a morning person. Coffee or tea? Coffee.

Favorite cocktail? I don't really drink. Boring. What's your favorite part about living in LA? Because you were an east coaster up until not that long ago.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

Indeed. Born and raised. Daughter shudders when people say, where are you from? And I say, New York. And she looks at me, she's like, we are from Los Angeles.

I will never say that. I am from New York through and through. My favorite thing about Los Angeles is the sunshine. Yes. I don't blame you.

Molly Sims

Preferred type of workout. Are we being honest? We're being honest. I don't really workout. I love to walk.

Emisha Gormley

It's a great workout, by the way. It's a great workout. We always ask every guest before they go, if you could give advice to your ten year old self, what would. It be such a nice thing to ask? If I had to give advice to my ten year old self, I would say, it's gonna be okay.

Isn't that amazing? It's amazing. You're amazing, Kylie. You have such a wealth of knowledge. Okay.

Molly Sims

Knockout beauty. It's in five cities right now. And soon to be more. Yes, and soon to be more. You can knockoutbeauty.com.

Emisha Gormley

Knock yourself out. Knock yourself out. Make sure and listen to Kylie and Paul on their podcast. It is called under the COVID I think you guys are going to I think you guys are going to love it. Follow Kylie Cavacorc.

Molly Sims

C A y l I C A V a c O R e c k. This is all going to be in the show notes. Make sure I'm follower workout beauty and knockout beauty. What I love about your newsletter, what I love about this curation is that there is education, strong education behind it. And I think that's what we need.

We need to know the why. We need to know that someone vetted things. Our tagline is where beauty meets efficacy. And our really focus is education. That's what we want you to know.

Kylie Kavaco Reck

We want you to know not only it is effective, but why is it effective? And as we all know, beauty products don't work. If they sit on your shelves, you have to use them. Yeah. Amen.

Molly Sims

I'm gonna put you on speed dial. We love you. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. Love you.

Emisha Gormley

Love you. I'll see you next time. It's a wrap on LA. Make sure and follow us. We both have sub sachs now.

Molly Sims

Images is called tell me more. You will honestly lose a lot of money if you follow her. You'll lose less money if you follow me. We will see you guys next week. Thanks for listening to lipstick on the rim with Molly Sims and my ride or die Amisha Gormely.

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