Woman duped out of nearly $1M in gold bars

Primary Topic

This episode discusses a scam where an 82-year-old woman was tricked into buying nearly $1 million in gold bars by someone impersonating a federal agent.

Episode Summary

In this revealing episode of the Kim Komando Show, the spotlight is on a devastating scam targeting an elderly woman, duped into purchasing nearly a million dollars worth of gold bars. The scam began with a pop-up message claiming to be from the government, warning her of a jeopardized bank account. Persuaded to contact a so-called federal agent, she was instructed to secure her funds by purchasing gold. The narrative unfolds with the arrest of a 19-year-old from Brooklyn, shedding light on the dark corners of cybercrime and the vulnerability of the elderly online.

Main Takeaways

  1. Cyber Scams Targeting the Elderly: Senior citizens are increasingly targeted by sophisticated cyber scams.
  2. Impersonation of Authorities: Scammers often impersonate government officials to gain trust.
  3. High Financial Costs: Victims can face significant financial losses, nearly $1 million in this case.
  4. Legal Outcomes for Scammers: Culprits can be caught and face legal repercussions.
  5. Awareness and Prevention: Highlights the importance of awareness and preventive measures against such scams.

Episode Chapters

1: Introduction

Kim Komando introduces the episode’s theme focused on digital safety and scams. She shares her personal anecdote and sets the stage for the discussion. Kim Komando: "Hey, it's Kim Komando today, your daily podcast to keep you up to date with all things digital."

2: The Scam Explained

The core of the episode where the scam involving the elderly woman is detailed, discussing the tactics used by the scammer. Kim Komando: "She was on her computer, and she got a pop-up saying, 'We are from the government here to help, and your bank account is in jeopardy.'"

3: Legal Actions

Discussion on the apprehension of the scammer and the legal implications. Kim Komando: "Fortunately, they caught the guy. He was here in the United States, Brooklyn, as a matter of fact."

Actionable Advice

  1. Verify Contacts: Always verify the identity of individuals claiming to be from authoritative bodies.
  2. Educate on Scams: Stay informed about common scam tactics and teach vulnerable family members.
  3. Use Trusted Channels: Communicate through official channels rather than through pop-ups or unsolicited emails.
  4. Report Suspicious Activities: Report any suspicious activities to authorities.
  5. Secure Personal Information: Be cautious about sharing personal and financial information.

About This Episode

She says it started with a pop-up on her computer. Relationship expert Amy Chan joins us to talk about online dating and crafting the perfect profile. Plus, a kid's stink that ruined a family business, the side hustle black market, and a major Life360 data leak.

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Transcript

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Hey, it's Kim Commando today, your daily podcast to keep you up to date with all things digital and beyond. And I'd love to have you be a part of our podcast. You can make an appointment to speak with me. Just head over to commando.com. and on the top right, there's a button that says email, Kim. Fill that out and that's it.

So when you are going on vacation this summer, are you going to be putting together a out of the office message?

D
Yeah, of course.

A
So what will yours say?

D
I'm usually a pretty standard. I don't do the whole fun long. I'm sitting on the beach sipping my tights. No, I just do a. I'm out of the office. I'll be checking periodically. I'll be back this day exactly. I'm a boring out of officer.

A
Well, you know Gen Zers. I love Gen Zers. And I have a Gen Z er. Gen Zers are making the out of office message fun. So, like, for example, I'm in my self care eradic. If you have any questions, don't.

Okay, I like this one.

Miss Girl is tired of delivering shareholder value and needs a couple of cocktails to recover.

I think you should use that one. I think you should use it. Or how about, I'm on vacation. I'll be back when I run out of money.

D
Oh, that's good.

A
I do like that. I like that one. I do like that one.

Let's see, just a few more.

The vibes are off and so is my email. See you in a week.

I would like that one.

D
If you emailed someone and you got that back, would you think it was funny or would you think unprofessional?

A
I think it'd be funny.

D
Okay. Yeah, me too.

A
I think it'd be funny.

D
Yeah.

A
Sorry, babes. Traveling. Here's my gram to see my daily vlogs.

D
Babes.

A
Okay. And finally, this one. Two truths and one lie. Now, imagine this. You email somebody, and this is what you get. Two truths and one lie. I'm out of the office. I won't be answering any messages. I'm never coming back.

Okay. You know, so I think. I think so now you have some inspiration.

D
I'm gonna do it.

A
And I think you should.

D
Okay, I'll do it.

A
No, more, like, I don't even put out of the office message.

D
No.

A
Because you know what? I'm not really out of the office.

D
No. You check your email the whole time anyway.

A
Exactly. It's just. It's like, why bother? And then I also think, like, when you put it out of the office message, I mean, you actually are telling people, like, I'm out of the office. Come rob me.

D
That's true.

A
Okay. Not a good thing. Not a good thing.

D
Okay.

A
But, you know, speaking of going on vacation, we had to take Abby to the pet hotel. And then simultaneously, Ian had to stay at a hotel for a couple of days.

D
Yeah.

A
And then I picked him up. And then we picked up the dog. And then he said to me, why does the dog get a higher nightly rate budget than I do?

D
There's a lot of care that goes into that, Ian.

A
Exactly.

D
You can go to the bathroom on your own.

A
Exactly. And on that happy note, welcome. It's Kim Commando. Today it's your fun podcast, as I like to say about all things digital. And just a quick reminder, we need you to, like, comment, share, hit that subscribe button. Yes.

D
Yeah.

A
Hit that subscribe button.

E
Yeah.

D
Then you never miss.

A
Drop a few comments. Sure. And if you're getting the audio version of the podcast, we totally love that. But just a quick reminder that you can also get the video version of the podcast. And that's really simple to do by going to YouTube.com kimcommando. Yes, we are everywhere else with the video. So in case you're on rumble Facebook wherever you want to go. But I think the easiest place is that YouTube.com kimcommando. Which, by the way, we are live Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 11:30 a.m. the specific time, which is. Do the math. Yes. 02:30 p.m. on the east coast. And if you're in between, it's up to you to figure it out because, you know, it's big math. It is. We just can't do it. We try. So what do you have coming up Al Facebook?

D
We just talked about it. Right. Lots of malware going around on Facebook with ads that you wouldn't quite expect to be pushing it.

A
Bum, bum, bum, bum.

And just a quick reminder that we are giving away a $1,000 vacation gift card right now. And so you can enter to win by going to win from kim.com. once again, that's winfromkim.com dot. All right, here are the top five things you need to know that's happening in the tech world right now. We're going to start with an 82 year old woman. She was on her computer, and she got. She gets a pop up.

D
Oh, no.

A
And the pop up says, we are from the government. We are here to help you, and your bank account is in jeopardy.

So you need to call us right now. At this moment. She calls, she gets it, who she thinks is a federal agent.

The federal agent says, well, you need to give us $44,000 on your credit card. And she's like, is that going to keep my account safe? And he says, yes, it will. Well, I have to ask my superior if that's going to be enough to keep your account safe.

D
Okay.

A
And guess what?

D
Not enough.

A
Not enough.

So she had to actually go to a gold repository.

D
A gold repository?

A
Yes. And she bought almost a million dollars worth of gold.

D
Oh, my gosh. That was a good target for them, wasn't it?

A
Yes. And so, fortunately, they caught the guy.

D
Good.

A
He was here in the United States, Brooklyn, as a matter of fact.

D
Wow.

A
19 years old.

D
No kidding.

A
Yes.

He's in jail.

D
Good.

A
19 years old. A million dollars. You know, I think for life savings.

D
Yeah. The government is not that technically advanced. Right. To send you a pop up, like they just made it so that you can file your taxes on a government site. Do you really think that they're gonna have a pop up?

A
No. Oh, Spain of the government. We have to talk about this. Cause we put it in the newsletter.

D
Okay.

A
And now everybody's asking, like, I got an email from the Social Security Administration. Is it legit or is this a scam? It looks like a scam. It could look like a scam.

D
It does. We're actually gonna put this in the newsletter tomorrow because we got so many questions about it and show people. Okay, here's what it looks like. This is what's real. This is what's not real. Cause, yeah, this is a huge change to everyone who has a Social Security law.

A
Exactly. Exactly. So make sure that you sign up for the newsletter now. Go to get kim.com. that's getchim.com dot. All right. Meanwhile, live 360 is not having a good time.

D
It's a bad year for them. Yeah.

A
Today, 442,519 phone numbers leaked.

D
442,000. That's a lot. So live through 60 is one of those apps we can most people use to track their kids, right?

E
Yeah.

A
And see how fast they're going.

You can set up individual groups, share stuff, and it's. And then, you know, they're trying to branch into identity theft and all these other things. And that's really an important thing because they also own the tile tracker.

And guess what else happened over at live 360. I'm sorry if you work there, because this is not a good time for you.

Well, it turns out that somebody used a tile employees login.

D
Oh, no.

A
And they breached a customer support platform where they got names, addresses, email addresses, phone numbers and tile device identification numbers.

They also scraped device ids, all kinds of things. So if you are using live 360, time to change your password.

D
Yeah. That's spooky. Also, think about where people put their tile trackers. That's on sensitive stuff. Right. It's on your keys, it's in your car, it's in your bag.

A
Yeah.

This is a bad thing for them. Yeah. And see, these are the type of stories that, you know, we've been talking about it here in the studios that, I mean, if you don't really have tech smarts, you will fall behind.

D
Oh, my gosh. Absolutely.

A
You're just, I mean, if you don't know about this type of stuff.

D
Yeah.

A
You're just sitting there going, oh, I wonder why I'm getting all these fishing scammers from live 300. Yes. So watch your email, watch your phone. Somebody could claim to be saying from their live 360, go ahead and update your account. All that other stuff. Don't fall for it. Okay, moving on to number three.

Have you ever gotten anything from Amazon where you looked at it and you thought, dang, I think somebody else opened this box before.

D
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Especially with clothes. Right. They come a little wrinkled, a little, smelling like someone else's perfume, which is kind of icky. Yeah.

A
Yes. That has happened.

D
That's happened to me.

A
Well, here's what happened on Amazon. There was a seller who was selling little kids swim diapers.

D
Okay.

A
And now somebody bought the swim diaper. Think about this person bought the swim diaper, put the swim diaper on his kid, or her kid says, well, I guess we don't need this anymore because it's all soiled with kids poop on the inside.

D
Oh, okay.

A
And so rather than throwing it away, let's mail it back to Amazon for a refund.

D
They returned the poopy diaper.

A
And then somebody at the Amazon warehouse that got the poopy diaper said, this looks new to me.

Let's try to resell it. Oh, no. So it gets resold. Okay, so now person B buys the poopy diaper and gets it and saying, like, I can't put this poopy diaper on my kid. Oh, but I can go on Amazon, leave a nasty review, of course, leaves a one star review. All kinds of things about how this is a bad seller. And meanwhile, this mom and pop shop that were. They were doing, like, millions of dollars a year in poopy diapers, and it's now 600. Not really poopy diapers.

D
Not poopy diapers.

A
Not poopy diapers. And un poopy diapers. Now they say they're, like, $600,000 in debt because their store just kind of folded because so now they're pointing the fingers at Amazon. And now the person leaves reviews that I didn't really know was gonna put you under.

But no word from the person who sent back the poopy diaper.

D
No. That person is living in shame.

A
Yes. This is really bad.

This has happened to me, and I know what's happened to you because we've talked about it. You use, like, instacart or postmates and Uber or Lyft or Doordash, whatever it may be, and you go ahead and you put your order in, and then it comes back and it says, david, a diamond shopper, 2932 positive reviews. And you're like, yes. I'm finally gonna have to find somebody who can find the pick of pepper sauce and doesn't show me a picture of ketchup to say, is this what you're looking for?

D
No. David knows.

A
Okay. So everything's going great until, you know, finally, the person comes along and says, did you mean oranges or grapefruit or tangerines? Until you're like, just forget it.

D
I said cuties, David.

A
Yes.

D
Yeah.

A
Okay, well, and then I. You go through this whole thing rigor with the order, and now you're sitting there, and the person is coming to your house, and then you start noticing that the people who it looks like David was supposed to be David, but now it's, like, Miriam or somebody else.

D
Okay. Uh huh. Because a totally different person doesn't match the picture.

A
And it's happening more and more often where who you think is due in the order is no longer, because there's women like this gal. She got busted for renting out Uber, Lyft, and Doordash accounts to immigrants. She gained the system. She's making $10,000 a month.

D
Madness.

A
Ten grand a month.

D
I read one story. She said, in one week, like, her top week.

A
$15,000 in a week.

D
In a week. I think we're in the wrong business.

A
Okay, girlfriend, we are done with the podcast. Okay. We are done with that. Yeah.

D
So she basically steals licenses, uploads them, makes a profile with it. Kind of troubling, really troubling that the pro. The services don't flag this. It's just like, oh, yeah, great. David wants to make an account. It's not David.

A
And so that's why from now on, I mean, I started this practice a long time ago. Is that my property is gated? Yeah, of course it's gated.

I'm sorry, I didn't know. That sounds so pretentious. I'm sorry. My property is gated.

D
You have to say in that voice.

A
Okay, yeah, exactly. It can't be like I have a gate around my property, because there are a lot of weirdos, and there are weirdos. I mean, sure. You know, I mean, I was.

I was taking the trash out, and there was somebody there taking a photo of me. Oh, okay. Another time, I was actually playing ball with Ian. This happened years ago. I was playing ball with Ian in the driveway, and there was, like, a couple taking photos. And I actually walked to the gate, and I said, listen, if you want a picture of me, I'll come outside the gate.

D
Yeah.

A
But when I play with my kid.

Hands off. So, bottom line here is that I don't let them come near the front door.

D
Okay.

A
I used to let them come in the house, remember? Years and years ago. You'd have the safeway driver just. You'd be happy just to bring it all in. Yeah, not anymore. Yeah, just leave it out by the gate, and I'm just gonna go get it.

D
Well, right, because you don't know who's showing up, and any protections that are built in to say, okay, David is a safe person. It's not David.

A
So.

D
No, this person got there by lying anyway. Right.

A
And one more thing that I learned recently.

D
Okay.

A
Okay. So I ordered instacart, and I was busy working, and I just had them, like, leave it at the front door. There was nothing perishable. Not the front door, the gate.

And there's nothing perishable out there. And I'm like, you know, it's fine.

And I just. I had to finish this call. So then I take everything. I finished the call, I go outside, bring everything in, put it in the kitchen. Counter. I figure, okay, when I get done with my next little project that I have to do, then I'll unpack all the groceries.

D
Okay. Reasonable.

A
So now it's like hours after the groceries get delivered. So now I'm going through it, and I'm like, where is the grapefruit?

D
Of course.

A
Where's the strawberries? Yeah, where's the granola?

D
Okay, that's your whole breakfast.

A
I was gone.

Never got delivered.

D
Okay.

A
Okay. So then I went on to Instacart and said, like, I mean, like, half the groceries are missing.

And they gave me a full credit. But here's the kicker, is that the guy got the full tip for the whole order because you can only dispute the tip, like, up to an hour after delivery. So that was my little life lesson.

D
So we unpack our groceries quickly.

A
Yes. Or at least look at it to see where it is.

D
Sure.

A
And finally this.

When you worked, do you listen to music? Of course. What kind of music do you have?

D
When I'm at work, I listen to kind of like lo fi. No, lyrics. I can't listen to lyrics.

A
I can't listen because I've totally started singing.

D
No, I focus on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A
So it's kind of like chill music.

D
Yeah, exactly.

A
You know what I've noticed on apple music now that I really like. You might like this. There's cover chill music.

D
Oh, that sounds fun.

A
Yes. But there's little singing sometimes going on.

D
Yeah.

A
Like, they did like this. Don't stop believing sometimes. It feels a little elevatory type music.

D
I think that's okay for work and music, though.

A
Yeah, I guess so.

D
Yeah.

A
So science is out from the BBC. Cause I love the BBC.

Science is out. And they're saying, like, whether or not music actually makes you more productive. In one study, this. I don't even know why. I mean, why would you even do this? Cause you knew the answer beforehand. Music operators at a clothing manufacturing plant became less productive when they listen to relaxing music.

Okay, if you want to work out, are you going to listen to, like, Chopin? No.

D
No, I'm not.

A
Uh uh.

D
No, I'm not.

A
You're gonna have, like, those beats per minute up. Super high, 180.

D
Let's go.

A
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. You know, it's so funny is one time I had. I was coming to the studio and Andrew was here.

D
Yeah.

A
And I had my earbuds on, and I was like, you know, I had done some exercising beforehand, and so I was just, like, running in the studio from, like, working out.

D
Okay.

A
And so I had my earbuds in. And I took my earbuds out. You know, sometimes the music just plays on your phone.

D
Yeah.

A
And it starts playing and it's like. And Andrew busts up laughing because he's like, he goes, if I didn't know it was like, feelings. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Feelings. Feelings. Like, I'm nervous.

D
It's like, okay, super sped up.

A
Yeah, exactly. I'm like I said, it's all the tempo thing. All right? So as it turns out, faster tempos don't necessarily translate into being more productive.

Surgeons operating while listening to classical music were actually more accurate and faster.

Interesting, which I find this interesting because ill tell you why researchers advised surgeons not to listen to high tempo or loud music when operating, obviously, because its distracting. Now, I have a friend of mine who is not a rocket scientist. Hes actually a brain surgeon. Yeah, hes a brain surgeon. And so I know this is going to sound really, but I call him up and I'm like, hey, what are you doing this weekend? I mean, any good surgeries?

D
And I was like, you're that person.

A
Oh, yeah.

D
So I go, you go watch brain surgery.

A
Oh, it is so fascinating.

D
Oh, I don't think I could stomach that.

A
Oh, it is really something like, okay.

D
How bloody are we talking?

A
It's not. It's the brain. We're not like, passing like, you know, blood all over. If we had blood or we really bad. But here's what's so cool about brain surgery, okay?

Is that. And I get it because I'm so fascinated. That's probably why he lets me go sit in.

D
Sure.

A
And just watch.

Is that so? Like, he has this guy on the table. Guy's about like, I don't, 40 years old, and he has a tumor. So got to take out the tumor.

D
Okay.

A
So now when you're doing brain surgery, obviously you're not laying on your back. Get your laying on your stomach. Okay. And so, and underneath him is a woman who's talking to him while he's, while he's getting the brain surgery, okay? And so I don't want to tell you the doctor's name. So the doctor is probing different parts of his brain now while it's open, which they have to use like a big saw thing to open it up.

D
And this man is awake. He's awake, to be clear, okay? Yes.

A
He's awake.

And I'm sitting there going like, whoa, whoa, baby. Okay.

And as he's probing, she's saying things like, what's your favorite color?

And he'll say blue and then she said, an espanol, please. And he'd say, azul.

And then she'd probe over. And then he. Then you see all the doctors go like, okay, that's good. And they probe, like, another part. And then she'll say, do you like pizza?

And he said, I think it's Thursday.

D
Oh.

A
And then I was like, okay. So they were trying to figure out which area of communication.

D
That's insane.

A
You know what?

D
Wow.

A
It is.

D
Okay. That sounds really fascinating.

A
So the reason why we. Now let's come on back home.

D
Sure.

A
The music that this doctor likes to listen to while all this is going on.

D
Metal.

A
AC DC.

D
I knew it.

A
I'm like, AC DC.

While you're doing brain surgery, it seems like we would want something more like Ed Sheeran type. You know, something like a little calming.

D
Yeah, I would think classical. Sure.

A
Let's see the top three songs that are most included in Spotify lists at work. Drops of Jupiter by train, Dreams, Fleetwood Mac, and don't stop believing by journey.

D
That's a sing along.

A
It is definitely a sing, you know, does music make you think? Does music make you think?

It made Stevie wonder.

D
Oh, God, I'm leaving.

A
Me, too.

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Hey, it's Kim commando. Today it's your great podcast about all things digital. And if you're just wondering, no, this is not the Kim commando show. That's on over 400 odd stations. You can find that in your favorite podcast player. This is brand new, by the way. It's the first time that we are releasing the Kim Commando show as a podcast. We're always trying to, like, keep that those radio stations warm and happy and fuzzy. And so now, wherever you get your podcast, you can get the full Kim commando show with commercials. Not too many, I promise, but you're going to love it. And it's different than Kim Commando today, because on the Kim commando show, it's very newsy, tippy, caller driven, and here on Kim Commando today. This is when we get a chance to actually talk to some super interesting people. And I read this story over at USA Today, and I thought it just makes a perfect sense. I mean, if you want to learn, maybe accelerate your marketing skills. Okay. You're going to go to a seminar.

D
Of course.

A
When's the last time you, you had some professional development?

D
Yeah, I. Last month, I took a class online.

A
Okay, perfect. Yeah. Okay.

You know, and I drop into, you know, MIT classes online or Yale or Harvard just because I think it's really cool. Like somebody says, like, you know, what'd you do over the weekend? I took a class at MIT.

D
I'm taking a class at MIT.

A
Sorry, Harvard, actually.

And so the story was about, and I love entrepreneurs. You know that.

D
You do?

A
I do. I love american success stories.

D
A good business story.

A
Yes. Amy Chan. You know, Amy, you may be familiar with her. Cause she's on everywhere. She's good Morning America, Volo, glamour, Nightline, CNN. We're so thrilled that we're able to get her here.

But she runs a retreat that she says takes a scientific and spiritual approach to heal the heart. It's a renew breakup boot camp, the science of rewiring your heart, published by Harper Collins, who's a best selling book. And she has a dating bootcamp now. I mean, and this, you know what, this makes absolute sense.

D
Every single person I know that dates talks about how terrible dating is.

A
It is terrible.

D
So, yeah, shouldn't more people go learn how to date? Because rather.

A
And also, there's just so many creeps online. I'm not going to say what her name is, but my friend Carolyn, she was thinking about moving to Phoenix.

D
Okay.

A
And she, I was trying to show her that, you know, like, she's 36, she's a former ballerina. So she's got that long and, you know, long blonde hair, just, you know, she's stunning.

D
Yeah.

A
She has her own business.

And I'm like, you know what? You need to get rid of this toxic guy that you're with. Cause she is with a toxic guy. And I mean, like, just, it's a bad, it's one of these things, like where they fight and they hit each other every once in a while. It's just bad. And I'm like, and I know that's fabulous. And I'm like, so I'm, like, mentoring her. You know, I mentor, like, a thousand people in my life. So I'm like, you know, Carolyn, you got to get rid of this guy. You need to move, start fresh, let's sign up on some dating apps. And by the way, you can show me how they were, because I've been married, you know, a long time.

D
Yeah.

A
And let's see what you get.

D
Okay. Eligible bachelor's, the Phoenix.

A
So we go through the whole list. She puts up just a couple of pictures, you know, like two pictures. And we do the profile, and it takes so long, and all she's getting is dick pics.

And it's like, why? Why? What are we thinking about?

D
That they need to go to boot camp, sounds like.

A
So, Amy, thank you for being here.

E
Hello. Thanks for having me.

A
You know what? You are amazing. You are. I am so proud of what you're doing. You came up with this whole thing. And you know what? What I like about your business, Amy, is that you are actually helping people.

Right? I mean, you are giving them. You're getting rid of the bad stuff that may be preventing them from meeting the love of their life online, because that's how we're all hanging out online.

But also, I love when you talk about what to put in a profile picture, because there was a guy here, his name's Mike, and he had on his profile picture, him hiking with his belly hanging out. And I'm like, that's just a bad look. It's bad. No wonder why you're still single.

E
He needs to go to boot camp, Mike.

A
Yes, he does. So how did you come up with this idea for the boot camp?

E
Yeah, so I've been running breakup boot camps for seven years, helping people heal from divorce and heartbreak. And then I would have clients who would say, okay, Amy, great, thank you. I'm over my ex. How do I date? Some of them have been married for 20 years. They didn't even know what dating apps were. And so I was, like, starting to help people with dating, and I actually created a protocol that's been pretty successful. My clients have had a 70% success rate after doing these different tool, trying these different tools and doing a dating experiment. And I decided that it was time to now bring it out to a bigger group and audience and help people who are really struggling right now. Finding love.

A
What do you see is the biggest problem that people make when they hop online to find somebody just to start going out with? Maybe they're not even thinking about having a relationship, but at least they want somebody to go have, like, a drink or go play pickleball with.

E
There's two big problems. Number one, they are. They have a perception of how they're being perceived. But this is actually not reality. And this is one of the things we do at dating boot camp. I tell someone to pull up their dating profile. I ask them, what are three words you want someone to think when they see it? And sometimes they'll say, kind, generous, family oriented. And then we look at their photos and they are downing champagne by the bottle or they are at a nightclub.

And so there's a complete disconnect from what they think their personal brand is coming across as and the actual experience of people. So they are actually targeting the wrong audience for what they actually want. The second problem is the whole nature of dating apps causes us to behave in some pretty superficial ways. We keep swiping on people that don't meet a height requirement, they aren't within a certain age range, and we are actually missing out on people who might not present as bright, shiny objects, but could be great potential partners.

A
So you mentioned personal brand. Yeah. And that, I think, is an interesting phrase because, you know, everything that we do here, I mean, it's always for the brand, you know, and I don't think a lot of people would consider themselves having a personal brand. And what constitutes that brand, and what does that brand mean to them and what does it mean to somebody else?

D
Yeah.

E
So I understand that using marketing terms might feel a bit icky, but the reality is people are making snap judgments about you, whether they see you at a grocery store or whether they're looking for that microsecond on a dating app to decide if they want to swipe on you. And so our brain in within 2 seconds is sizing up. Is this person strong? Is this person weak? Is this person threatening and or are they friendly? And if you are coming across in a way that's having these red flags, people aren't going to be able to get past that initial first impression.

A
So what kind of pictures should a person put up?

E
All right, so the very first photo should be a profile photo of your torso and up. You should be smiling in that photo. No one else should be in that photo. The second photo should show a full length photo of yourself. So your body and then all the remaining photos and prompts should signify a different aspect of your personality. You don't want glamour shot after glamour shot. You don't want hiking photo after hiking photo. You want to show that you are a diverse person. Maybe you're hiking, maybe you are traveling, maybe you have a cute fluffy dog. You are having these different photos and prompts so that it creates an opening for someone to inquire or maybe start a conversation with you.

A
And so, you know, my son is 23, and he's not on the dating apps. And he's explained to me that the way that his generation works is that they primarily go to Instagram and they look at each other's pictures, and then they may dm and say, do you want to meet for coffee? Do you want to go on a double date, whatever it may be? And I'll tell you, he shows me the gals Instagram accounts. Boy, I'll tell you, I. You know what? I never looked like that at 20. Oh, I mean, you know what I mean? I was still, I think when I was 20, I was still, like, going through the teenage awkward stage for some reason. I mean, how are they? How is this happening?

E
I also tell anyone that I'm helping with a dating profile makeover.

Have a recent photo, and stop filtering your photo. Maybe a little touch up. Okay. But you do not want to bait and switch someone, because when they meet you in person, they're eventually going to find out that maybe you do have a wrinkle or maybe you don't have perfectly flawless skin. And it's that shock that causes someone to think that you're lying and it's really hard to bounce back from them versus if you are transparent from the very beginning, there isn't that shock, so that there isn't that drop of excitement to disappointment.

A
Okay, so you got, you have. You have the perfect profile.

You have all the pictures there. Okay. And now you're like, okay, this may not be like Mister right forever. Maybe he's mister right now. Mister right now.

So, you know, I am happily married. I'm not asking for me to say ask for a friend, but I'm just saying. So.

D
But for our friends.

A
Yeah, for our friends who are listening, and they're like, okay, now I found somebody. Or miss whoever it may be, what is the best thing to do to say in that initial message out?

E
You should take a look at their profile and make a comment or a question based on what they have. So it shows that you're not copy and pasting 100 messages to people. So maybe they have a photo of them with a pizza.

And then your message could be something light and funny and be like, oh, just so you know, I know the most incredible secret pizza spot in town. That's an opening, and that creates an ability for you to have a back and forth.

D
That would work on me.

A
That would work on me.

D
That would work on me. Do you address. Okay, we were just talking about how people mentioned, like, to send pictures of themselves unclothed. Is that something that comes up in your boot camps? Like, how do you address this?

E
Stop it. No. It's an absolute no. Women do not want to see your bathroom selfie of your abs. It comes across as very vain. It makes you look like a playboy and great. I'm sure you have a really great body, but not for the very first impression.

A
Yeah, that was really shocking to me. When I helped a friend set up, I'm like. And she was shocked. It's like, one after. I'm like, why would they. What are we supposed to do? I was like, a woman's supposed to look at them go, yes, that's the one for me.

D
I don't even understand what goes through their minds. Well, I mean, I guess I do.

A
Well, yeah, there is that. So how long is the boot camp, and what do people get, get from this?

E
Yeah, so the boot camp is three days. It's held in a beautiful villa, so everyone stays under the same roof. And I have ten different experts that come. And it's not just about how to optimize your profile. That's on the last day. But in the very beginning, we really want to understand what is the pattern that keeps popping up and you're bringing from relationship to relationship? What is your blind spot? Maybe you talk too much. And so when you talk too much, the other person isn't getting any dopamine, so they don't want to see you again. And people actually send a feedback form to ten people before they come to the retreat that can include their exes. It's completely anonymous so that they can find out what their blind spots are. Because the challenge is we bring our baggage with us wherever we go. And it's very easy to think, oh, no, I just need to be on another dating app. I need to be matched. But the perfect person can be right in front of you. But because you have this pattern that sabotages relationships, you'll never make it past date one or two.

A
You know what? Swinging a baggage. I've used that analogy with my son. I said, you know, I said, some people come with, like, a Louis Vuitton carry on.

Okay? Other people, they come on, like, with a whole match set, including the trunk. Okay. We want to stay away from those people. Okay. You know, a little carry on is okay, but when they start adding, like, I gotta have this roll away, and this, we don't want that.

D
This almost sounds like dating advice plus therapy to help people get to a better space right now.

A
Have you. Okay, Amy, have you ever had any two people hook up?

D
I was just wondering that, too. In the villa?

A
Yes.

E
Look, let's just say some romantic connections may have happened that I don't know about but sensed.

A
Now, one last question for you, and thank you for being here, Amy. You're delightful.

How do you think AI is going to change dating?

E
I think that AI is going to change dating in the way that we can't trust a lot of the things we find online. I think even the heavy filtration of photos and people getting catfished is an issue. But now, with aih, that can make catfishing even more charged and more prevalent. So I think it's really important for people to learn the skills of being able to read people, of being able to have conversations and understand, like, what is real, what is not real, what is media literacy. And these are skills that we need to learn and develop.

A
Oh, for sure. 100%. So real quick, people watching, people listening, how do they learn more?

E
You can find me on Instagram, issamychan, or go to renewbootcamps.com dot.

A
Fabulous. Amy, thank you again for being here.

E
Thank you. So fun.

D
Thanks, Amy.

I love her.

A
I love her, too.

D
We gotta put some of her tips in the newsletter for our gator friends.

A
We do. Cause you know what? I know that we have a lot of single people.

D
We do.

A
I mean, that read the newsletters and do that other good stuff. You know, these are like, practical tips. I mean, because, you know, if you start looking at profiles, I mean, you know, and. And I don't know why, but I mean, you know, Daz who used to be here, he would bring me, show me his phone.

D
Yeah.

A
And he'd be like, okay, so just, you know, swipe on the ones that you think.

D
I love swiping for people. I don't like you. I've been married forever. I never use dating apps.

A
I know, it's like, it's like, I.

D
Don'T have to date, but it is fun to have.

A
You ever. Okay, have you ever just swiped on somebody because you were like, just gonna screw with him?

D
Yeah, sure.

A
I've done that too. Yeah, I guess Daz was like, this guy, like, you know, I don't want anybody with kids. And I'm like, oh, three kids, six kids.

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Hey, it's Kim Commando today. Just a quick reminder that we need your help. We do. Just tell one person, that's all. Just one person about Kim commando today.

And then the other thing that, that we need to know is what you want to know more about. And so again, two things. Tell one person and tell us what you want to know about. The easiest thing to do is go to commando.com. which, by the way, if you have not gone to commando.com in a while because you said the website sucked, I totally get that, but it's totally different. It's fabulous right now. So go to commando.com. and then there's a link that says, ask Kim. And then that's when the email gets sent to me. And by the way, I read every single note that you sentence. All right, so it seems that the scams on Facebook, they just never end.

D
They never end because they work, right? There are so many people on Facebook also. Scammers are getting so much better at all this. I was just having a conversation with somebody yesterday, and remember back when it was like a nigerian prince that you could spot your email and like, fine. That's like, okay, great. I know. That's a scam. It's hard now.

A
It's very hard.

D
Yeah. And that's why we talk about scam so much. So there are, these are beautiful, polished ads all over Facebook that look pretty legit. Right? Some of them say things like, change your taskbar. It's easy.

A
It's free.

D
It doesn't waste your ram or cpu.

82,000 downloads. Okay.

A
Must be good.

D
Mac Os themes for Windows ten or eleven. You can make your, your windows computer look like a Mac.

A
Ooh.

D
Okay. It's easy and free.

A
Easy and free?

D
Yeah, totally free. Activate Windows office or Photoshop without any charges. Just one click.

A
I can get office and Photoshop for free.

D
For free with one click. So you click this ad, you go to the site, and it looks like a nice software site, right? There's a big, shiny download button. You click that, you download a zip file.

Kim commando. What's in the zip file?

A
Malware. Malware.

D
Of course. Yes.

A couple things here.

We're not going to Facebook to look for software. Stop.

You're not getting this stuff for free. Stop. Anytime. There's an offer for a free version of a thing that you know, you have to pay for, and it's not coming from a source like us. Okay, we will tell you. Okay. There is a free way right now to get windows for a month, if it exists. We'll tell you about it. You're not going to find out through a Facebook ad.

A
Stop clicking these things.

D
And it gets even trickier, too, because people hijack profiles. And so, yeah, you go to the page, it's got, what, 200,000 followers? Seems super legitimate. No, it never is.

A
You know, so much of my email now is people saying my Facebook page has gotten hacked. How do I get it back? I filled out a form on Facebook and they're not calling me back.

D
They're never going to call you back.

A
Is there a customer service number for Facebook? No, there's not.

You know, is there a phone number for Facebook? There is. We have it posted on our site. But I don't think they're going to help you.

D
I don't think they're going to help you.

A
They just don't give a. Rats. They don't care.

D
No, they don't. For a while, people were using that trick where you bought an oculus.

A
Yes. That's over.

D
It doesn't work anymore.

A
Whatever happened to the paid tech support for Facebook?

D
I don't think they have a paid tech.

A
Well, they were. They were trying that for a little. I don't think yet took off.

D
I don't think it did. I haven't heard anything about it. You know what? We should research this, especially because you have so many people asking.

A
Yeah, but you know what? Here's the deal. Is that Facebook doesn't care.

D
No.

A
Okay. There are these companies out there that say if you pay them that they will get your Facebook account back. Okay. So then you're just in another situation that you shouldn't be in. Okay. But meanwhile, maybe you logged in at a public place. Maybe you have a crappy password. Maybe you didn't set up two factor authentication. I mean, so it's kind of on you.

D
I guarantee that in most of these cases, it is a password thing. It's probably credential stuffing. Right. Your password that used her Facebook and seven other things.

A
Yes.

D
Got leaked because one of those seven other things got breached.

A
Right.

D
You need to have a unique password on there.

A
I know, and it's not fun. Then this is not a great conversation. And this is not a funny conversation.

D
It's not funny. And it sucks because people have truly years in some cases like over a decade of their lives documented on this website, and they don't have this stuff anywhere else. So maybe that's a good preventative step. If you haven't downloaded the photos, the videos, the stuff on your Facebook in.

A
A long time, you can download everything on your Facebook.

D
Yeah, go do it. And then if some creep gets into your Facebook, it still sucks, but not as bad.

A
Okay, we're gonna go to a quick break, and we come back. I didn't tell you we're gonna talk about this, but I did share it with you, so it's not gonna be a complete surprise.

D
Oh, boy.

A
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I think all of us know where we were at when we heard about former President Donald Trump being shot.

What were you doing?

D
I was with some friends. Yeah, just hanging out.

A
I was. Had gotten back from the gym, and I was cleaning out the refrigerator. I had my earbuds in, and the refrigerator is so gross.

D
I just did that.

A
Oh, it was just.

It's been. Wait. It was like a month of, like, lettuce. I've never seen romaine lettuce look black and gross like this.

And I was talking to my sister, and then all of a sudden I hear, like, you know. Cause you have your earbuds and it's like a muffled sound.

Trump was shot. Trump was shot. And Barry was actually watching the rally on Fox News, as he always would be. And I said to my sister, Trump was shot. And she's like, yeah. So, anyway, I'm at the park with Owen, and I'm like, okay, good talk.

D
Gotta go.

A
So, you know, so we're not getting political here. Just to let everybody know, we're not taking one side over the other. So don't even think of writing me a note saying, oh, come on, I don't care.

D
No, this is just.

A
Don't waste your time. Yeah, go write somebody else.

So, in my inbox, I got this notice, see, on Tuesday.

D
Okay.

A
Okay. Shooting was on Saturday.

D
Yes.

A
Okay.

And we used to have a sponsor by the name of Jace. Jase. The Jace case.

It's where you could have, like, a case full of antibiotics and other stuff sent. Yeah.

D
To take on travel.

A
Yes.

D
On trips. Yep.

A
So Tuesday, I get a letter from our founder and CEO.

D
Okay, so this is a mass email that they presumably sent to everybody.

A
Yes.

D
Okay.

A
It's got a picture of the guy in the front.

Doctor Sean Rowland.

D
Okay.

A
They haven't been a sponsor for about a year.

D
Yeah.

A
But, you know, obviously I bought a product from them, so that's why I.

And he says, dear friends, in times of unprecedented uncertainty, I feel a need to reach out and add my voice of warning.

He goes on to say that the assassination tend to set. Run to tears. Our hearts and prayers go out to the campador family who. And those who were personally affected by this horrible tragedy. No words.

No words to appropriately address the loss of a father. Shielding the family. You know, I agree with all that.

D
If the email ends here, we're good. Right?

A
Okay.

D
I have a feeling it does not.

I know it does not.

A
I am a father, and I would do anything to protect my own family. Okay. Still good.

I'm a physician. Taking the oath to be a healer. Also good.

D
Sure.

A
This is where it gets icky.

This is where you look at and you say, intention versus perception.

Our mission at Jace is to empower everyone to be better prepared medically.

He's selling his stuff.

This is what he's doing.

D
He's using the shooting to sell. Great. To sell antibiotics.

A
Yes.

My goal is not to incite fear, but to encourage preparedness.

D
This is yuck.

A
I add my voice to many who are urging individuals and families to take steps today to address the level of preparation for hard times tomorrow.

So he turned the attempted assassination of a former president and the death of a firefighter.

D
Yeah.

A
Shielding his family from bullets into a way to sell preparedness and antibiotics. So I thought to myself, certainly, that if I click the link, it doesn't take me to his website.

D
Oh, Kim.

A
Okay, this guy, is he such a narcissist? Is that what it is that he thinks that we care about how he took an oath for preparedness?

D
I imagine all the stuff before the sales pitch was, let me make this feel less salesy. Let me make this seem like I care, and it doesn't. This is gross.

This was a bad move. This was a bad move.

A
So just put this off to the side.

So if anybody, if you are thinking about using what's happening in our country right now, the death of a former firefighter who left his wife screaming and his two daughters, then we also have the other people who are injured.

If you're even thinking, little tiny thought right here, that this would be a great idea for you to send such a letter via email out.

Don't, do not do that. It makes you look horrible, self serving.

And I'd like to say more, but I have like some curse words at the top.

Make sure it's an a hole move.

D
Absolutely.

A
It is.

D
It's greedy, it's gross. Don't do it.

A
Awful.

D
Yeah, well, it also tells you as a consumer about the businesses you deal with. Right.

A
Well, fortunately, this is the only one that I got.

D
Well, that's good.

A
Yeah.

D
Yeah.

A
So much for that. I don't think they're gonna be coming back as, oh, well, I don't think they should be. For the best. I don't think they should. This program is a copyrighted production of Westar multimedia entertainment and protected by the copyright laws. Any rebroadcast or use of this program for commercial, business, economic or financial purposes without the written permission of Westar multimedia entertainment is strictly prohibited.

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