#916 - "Head-Sized Hole, Convicted Felon Trump, Eyes on Rafah, and Takin' Care of Biz feat. Rakus!"

Jesse Dolomore
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Welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us on this momentous episode 916 of I doubt it podcast. I'm your host, the happy, the Jovial, the celebratory Jesse Dolomore, joined by the lovely, talented, and indeed scholarly Brittany Page. So yes, we are going to talk about the now convicted felon, Donald Trump. Very exciting.

Was there a verdict? There was a verdict. Oh, my God. Guilty on all counts. What?

Brittany Page
We're very excited about it, but we're gonna, we're gonna leave that hanging because we're gonna structure the show as we normally do and we'll get to that, you know, probably 30 minutes from now.

So I wanna talk about two things up front, and I wanna start with the more fun. Cause we had kind of a, we had a very eventful week this week, and it started with us extinguishing a fire and saving our favorite restaurant. Well, you're giving us, us is doing a lot of heavy lifting right there. Because I was the one that extinguished the fire. You were the one who extinguished the fire where I frantically knocked on the door to try to get somebody's attention inside the locked restaurant.

You did notice the fire, though, so that is the important thing. So here's what happened. That's not right. That's burning down. We were at our favorite restaurant in DC.

Well, it's hard to choose, but it's. You know, between two restaurants. Yeah, it's one of our favorites. And you line up on the patio area before it opens. And if you don't have, have a reservation.

Yes. And we never do because it's impossible. Yes. And so there are tiki torches out there that they light to get rid of the mosquitoes because that's a significant problem here in Washington, DC. And so before they open, about ten minutes before they open, one of the employees comes out and he proceeds to light for tiki torches that are stuck into these kind of raised bed planters that have greenery, lots of plants underneath them.

Jesse Dolomore
Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, he comes out to light them. I turn around, I'm talking to you, and all of a sudden you say, oh, shit, that's on fire. Minutes later. Yeah.

Brittany Page
And I turn around and the planter beneath one of the tiki torches was a flame. Yeah. All the. All the tall grass was just. I mean, it was.

Jesse Dolomore
It was engulfed in flame. Yeah. And it hadn't turned into an unmanageable situation yet. And so you rushed to the door to try to get his attention. And I went over to the fire.

Brittany Page
I, like, skirted around it. I was like, it's getting taller. Also, the tiki torches, when you first lied them, they're going ham. They're going crazy. Yeah.

Jesse Dolomore
Big time. Well lit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you're knocking on the door. It's locked.

Brittany Page
And, you know, we've worked at places before. We've had jobs. You don't want to deal with these people that are knocking on the door trying to get in early before you open. Yeah. Like I'm some entitled asshole.

Jesse Dolomore
Knocking on the door is probably what he thought. Yeah. And so he looks up at you and he's like, whatever. And he looks back down. Yeah.

Brittany Page
Because he's like, I'm not. We're not open yet, bro, so relax. So you tell me, you know, that he's. Well, so what I did, I knock it on the door. He ignores me.

Jesse Dolomore
I look over at you. You've located the troughs of water that they use outside to serve the outside patio. Yes. And you're taking little dinky drinking glasses and trying to douse the flames. Yeah.

And I look over. That's not working at this point. So I go back to the door, and it's pound, pound, like, letting him know, not a normal situation. And I wave him, like, get out here frantically. Then he finally comes out.

Brittany Page
Yeah. And that time you're still feverishly, furiously attempting to put the flames out with your little water glasses. Yes. They were not tall water glasses. So I was trying to work with what I had, but I was relieved to learn that the fire was going out.

It wasn't going out as quickly as I wanted it to, but I was like, okay, I think that I can get this under control. And luckily I did, because, who knows? I mean, we could have lost our favorite restaurant. Well, also, he. I think he realized the gravity of the situation once he got out there.

Jesse Dolomore
Because he attempted to help you. Yeah. It was already out, though. I had already done it. It was already out.

Brittany Page
I already did all the work. Cause he was, like, scrambling, like, oh, shit. Not a good. Not a good situation. Yeah.

I think he came out with, like, a washcloth that he put over. The plants were decimated. They were decimated. It was all completely black and burned. And so we're standing in line, like, negotiating how much free shit we're gonna get for saving this restaurant, like, comped.

Jesse Dolomore
Our entire meal, everybody. No, no. Did not. We didn't get a free drink is what I was hoping to get out of the deal. We got free wontons.

Yeah, we got free wontons. And we should have been like, oh, can we actually get free lozy chicken? Well, that's what we would like, but, yeah, so we're okay. Brittany sprung into work. Heroically sprung into action.

Brittany Page
Yeah. Putting out the fire. Yeah. So here's an instance where I didn't spring into action because. Was there another fire?

No, Jesse had a bit of a. Oh, yeah. A health situation this week. Didn't know we were gonna go here. But, yes, he's okay.

We did have to go to an urgent care clinic. And I think you can probably tell the story better since you were present for all of it and I was not. So a couple of years ago, when I got diagnosed with cancer, I've explained it so many times, I think people get sick of hearing it. But what predicated me finding out was feeling dizzy when we would walk. We had just moved from California to DC.

Jesse Dolomore
We walked a lot more. Taking a metro. It's not a car culture here. It's a dense, you know, a city. And I started feeling dizzy all the time.

Well, that's been starting to happen again. I have lost a bunch of weight recently, but that's intentional. And so sometimes, like, I'm not eating as much as normal or, you know, I'm not. I'm healthy, everybody. I'm healthy.

But anyway, so I get dizzy when I stand up. Not all the time, but it happens. It was early in the morning. I was downstairs figuring out what I was going to talk about on YouTube, and sweeping needed to go out. So I stood up from the couch, walked to the alarm panel in the, in the kitchen, in the living room kitchen, and went to punch in the code.

Well, next thing I know, I'm crumpled on the ground facing the wall in which there's a massive. As Britney said, we'll get to this. Britney categorized it as a human head sized hole in the drywall.

That's what she told the people we've called to come fix it. Yeah. When they're like, well, how big's the hole? She says, well, it's about the size of a human head.

Brittany Page
So I didn't know how else to describe it. So I must have gotten dizzy. I don't even remember. But I passed out, crumpled to the ground, scared, sweepie so bad. She peed on the ground.

Jesse Dolomore
That's not something she does. Yeah. And I came to. We pieced it together from the cameras angles. Cause I was videoed.

This will not be made public. And it was less than a minute. So I must have just collapsed and then immediately woken up, went back to the keypad I had punched in two numbers because they were still waiting for the other two numbers to be punched in and then took her out. But I passed out, so I.

You came down. We determined I needed to call the hot. I mean, I went. I actually did videos first and then went to the ER. And they.

They ran all the blood tests that they are permitted to run in the ER for whatever their purposes are. And an EKG. And an EKG. No heart attack, none of that. Blood tests all came back within normal range.

Great. Fine. And he said, you need to go make an appointment with your. Your. Your family doctor, your GP, your general practitioner, and they could do further tests to see maybe thyroid or whatever else.

So as of what we know now, everything's fine. No, it's not like cancer. Come back. I'm not anemic again. Which is what the cause was of the tumor before and what we were.

Brittany Page
Worried about going into the ER. So. That's right. So for what we know now, not cancer. So that's great.

Jesse Dolomore
Not a bleeding tumor. Right. But obviously not great passing out. Yeah. Cause if it's gonna be dollar 500 every time we have to fix the wall, we can't afford that.

Okay, well, we could just not be pieces of shit and learn how to repair drywall. Sure. So what was interesting about. Sure. And we're happy that you're okay.

Brittany Page
We're happy that it wasn't worse. You could have hit your head. It could have been a lot worse. And we're happy that it wasn't. You could have fucking landed on sweepie and hurt her.

Yeah. But I do want to kind of rant a little bit about our experience at Kaiser, because, you know, we all went through a pandemic and we all experienced that. And I guess we were all impacted by that in different ways. And some of us have learned lessons that we will continue to carry forward that will inform our behavior and decision making as we continue to move into the future. And some of us were not.

And this was made very clear at Kaiser when we were in an elevator, just filled to the brim with people. There's no more social distancing. Everyone's headed into Kaiser, and there's like twelve people in the elevator. Only us. And then the elderly people had masks on, by the way.

Yeah. So it was a nightmare in there. And then we get to urgent care. You're checking in and you say that one of the unmasked ladies that was in the elevator when she checked into reception said, I'm pretty sure I have strep throat. Yeah.

So she's coming to Kaiser. Cause she's ill. Yeah. And needs treatment and she's not wearing a mask when she's around other people. She subsequently ended up with a mask but didn't have one on in the elevator.

I mean, it's remarkable. And I, you know, I'm at a psychiatric hospital. Every week I wear a mask there. I wear a mask at the airport because we all know that people's number one hobby in the airport is coughing into the air. And so, like, it's like a condition.

Jesse Dolomore
Of ticketing for some people. Like, they think, oh, I've got a plane ticket. Now I gotta gear up for how much coughing into the air I need to do. Seriously, number one hobby. And I.

Brittany Page
So I'm used to masking still. And I do it in certain situations, especially an ER. Yeah, absolutely. Where everyone is coming to receive urgent care for their illness. Also, you told me subsequent to the, to us talking about this that there are cases of COVID going around DC.

Jesse Dolomore
The initial signs of which symptoms of which are, is sore throat, severe sore throat, which would mean strep throat. Well, I saw that on Reddit last night. Let's just kind of calm down with what I've been, the numbers I've been seeing in DC when you talking about it on Reddit, it just means that. I have so much respect for you when you say something, even if I hear. Because now that you say that, I remember you saying it was on Reddit.

Brittany Page
Exactly. I just take it in as facts. Yeah, I was running the numbers. I was collecting the data. All right, well, so anyway, do better.

Jesse Dolomore
If you're out there and you go to an ER, wear a fucking mask. We're not saying, I mean, that you have to wear one at all times in public. I don't. Certainly there are certain places where it's appropriate to do so. Absolutely.

Brittany Page
And that's what I meant by, like, I wear it at the psychiatric hospital, I wear it at an airport, I wear it, you know, in certain, in certain situations, I don't wear it every time I go to the grocery store, all that kind of stuff. But, yeah, I mean, if I feel like I'm sick, dear Lord, at Kaiser. Yes, yes. So we're happy that you're okay. Jesse D.

Jesse Dolomore
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Just head to upliftdesk.com idout it or click the link in the description to score 5% off of your order when you use code idoubtitkout. Work better live healthier with Uplift Desk so many of you probably don't know, but we have a voicemail number for the show, 657-464-7609 and of course you can email voice memo from your smartphone to idout italimore.com. and this is the point in the program where we take your listener communications and disseminate them into the ears of the world. So we got an email here that's a follow up from an email that we read last time on the show that was from an anonymous person talking about the symmetry of my face. But that beauty is really the inner beauty is most important.

Oh, of course it is. So this one is from and I. Don'T say that facetiously. It really is what's most important. As soon as it came out of my mouth, I'm like, that sounded disingenuous.

Brittany Page
So this one is from Zach. Hey, Jessie D. Parenthetically. Hi. Also, Brittany.

I know Brittany probably gets all the attention, but you're pretty, too. That ginger, salt, and pepper always catches my eye on the podcast thumbnail. All right. Not super model pretty, but you are. And I get the vibe you're a dynamite snuggler.

But, of course, inner beauty is most important, Zach. Well, see, you got the eye turned on you now. That's good. Yeah. Yeah.

How does it feel? I don't know. I think I am a dynamite snuggler, though. The ginger, salt, and pepper, it's just becoming salt. Very rapidly becoming solved.

Jesse Dolomore
Maybe more. Collapsing at the security console in the house will make it even more quickly defined. I assume so. Thank you, Zack. I appreciate the compliments, even if they were tongue in cheek.

John Kirby
Zachary. Yeah. So we also got a message from a Patreon supporter, Sabrina, who wrote, I'm glad you are back. Thanks for the tip about the RSS. Since I'm new to the party and this is important, something that we try to talk about every episode, but that we don't, and we figure we would talk about it now, since most people kind of skip through the Patreon section.

Brittany Page
If you are a Patreon supporter or if you become one, you get access to the RSS feed link, which means you copy this link and you paste it into whatever podcatcher that is, whatever app you use to listen to the. Show, which means there's going to be, like, the dots at the top or the little hamburger symbol, you know, the three lines, and you'll find it'll. It'll give you an option to paste in or include your own specialized RSS link. Um, because our. When we post this to Patreon, the ad free version, it's not searchable on podcast apps, so they're.

Jesse Dolomore
The. Every podcast app gives you an option to paste in your own RSS feed. And that's what. That's what we're talking about here. Yeah.

Brittany Page
And so you get to access that Patreon Perk directly through your podcast app through that RSS feed link. So if you are a Patreon supporter, definitely take advantage of that. And, Sabrina, we are so happy that you found it and that it worked for you and that everything is going well. We're there. Thank you.

Jesse Dolomore
Taking advantage of the Patreon perks are it's a big deal, because we want people to take advantage of the things that are offered to support in the show. All right, we have another email and this one is from Dave. Hello, Britney and Jesse. I'm a single dad, identify as an atheist and a humanist. My son is 13 years old and finishing his 7th grade year at school.

Brittany Page
I spend every day doing what I can to teach my son critical thinking skills, the importance of participating in the democratic process, and humanist values. Two years ago, I relocated with my son from a progressive suburb of Seattle to an area that is more conservative. At first my son was concerned about making new friends, being bullied, and that he would not be able to meet anyone he could develop friendships with. He enjoys japanese anime, skateboards, plays trombone, and bass guitar. He likes hiking in our beautiful forests, identifying plants, mushrooms, and animals.

Sounds super cool by the way. Just gonna let you know, okay? I wish that I had been raised appreciating hobbies and shit as a kid, and this just makes me a little sad for how I grew up. So continuing with the email, I've been reassuring my son that he should pursue his passions in life and that those passions may change over time. That if he is called nerdy or bullied because of the things he enjoys, he should ignore it and just be friendly.

That he should always attempt to promote well being while minimizing suffering in others. That eventually like minded people would come into his life. His first year was difficult, but he stayed true to himself and what brings him joy? Sure enough, his first day of school this year, he met someone. She is awesome.

She is a talented artist, sat next to him in class and asked him about an anime hoodie he was wearing. Now they are pretty much inseparable together. They joined the Dungeons and Dragons club at school. Often they show up at my house with an entire herd of kids laughing and having fun. It's a wonderful, diverse mix of teens developing their personalities and supporting each other through the awkward years of being teenagers.

Recently we had a parent teacher student day at his public middle school. The overwhelming majority of his teachers said that he is a joy to have in class, is genuine and helps others who struggle. He has all a's this year. On our way out of school, he told me he loved his school, that although some students call him a nerd or a weirdo, that he thinks it's great to be a nerd. Then he told me he wanted to show me something in the library.

It was amazing. The librarians created a huge display with a banner that read banned books. It featured books that had been banned across the country over the last year. What a clever way to get curious teenagers to read more. Well done librarians.

I shared these anecdotes to offer a bit of hope about the current state of things in America. It is so important to have public schools that promote inclusiveness. Our schools are a vital hub of our communities. They create our future leaders. Middle school can be difficult for many kids to navigate, but really can be a wonderful place if everyone is given the opportunity to thrive.

I attached some pictures of my son and his girlfriend. I hope they make you smile. Feel free to use our names if you decide to read this on your content. Love both your YouTube channels. Love the podcast.

Sweepy is the best part. Ps do a live show in Seattle and all three of us will be there. Dave Seattle. Yeah, a location I don't think we've considered. Zachary, I don't remember if it was on the choices of the survey.

I remember putting the survey up on Patreon, asking people what cities they'd be most interested in, in seeing. And then I also put in seeing us do a live event. And then I also put I wouldn't be interested in this. And that was the most popular option. I'm talking about last two years ago when we were, before the cancer, when we were tossing around an idea working with David Pakman and Farron cousins about doing one Seattle I don't think came up.

Jesse Dolomore
Yeah, that might be news to the audience, but. So thank you, Dave. That was a beautiful email. I really appreciate you sharing that story. And congratulations to your son.

Also, congratulations to you for having a son that can seemingly process things that are difficult for kids to, to really grasp and whether, whether or not your son actually, like physically, like got it, or it just, he's naturally confident and individual. It's very difficult to get kids to understand that right now this shit's important to you. But when you're an adult, you're not going to give two shits about what those kids back in junior high or high school thought of you. That's certainly the case with me. And I bet you, because I don't give a shit what my conservative, Trump supporting adults with whom I went to school in junior high and high school.

I don't care what they think. And you know what? They probably don't care what I think. It's just kind of the, the unnatural progression of becoming an adult. And it sounds like, and it's not, doesn't have to be said with so much vitriol, with the tone that I'm using, but it sounds like he found it.

And that's. That's. He's ahead of the game. Pretty great. Very cool.

Brittany Page
Thank you for sharing that. We have another email, and then we're going to get to a voicemail. This is from. Let me see if there's a name. Yes.

Amanda from Tulsa, Oklahoma. Hey, Brittany and Jesse. I hope y'all have been able to rest and re energize with the burnout. Well, thank you, Amanda. As you heard, Jesse's putting human sized holes in the walls from passing out.

Things are not going great. Human head sized holes. Well, actually, it wasn't my head that smashed the wall. It was. I don't know what.

Jesse Dolomore
It was probably my knee or shoulder. But if it was my human head, it would have been probably three times the size because my head. I have a massive pumpkin head. Shouldn't walls be stronger? I just feel like they're a little drywall, man.

It's weak. All right, well, they should be cheaper to fix then. I. Okay. The world is overwhelming with how much is going on.

Brittany Page
Wanted to share some of my experience with going to the Oklahoma State Board of education meeting this past week. There's a lot that can be said, but I'll focus on one thing, how much Ryan Walters and the board are trying to hide from the public. I do have an absolute maniac fascist at the head of public construction in Oklahoma in this guy. He is the worst of the worst of the motherfucking worst. Amanda continues, I didn't realize how bad things were until I was there in person.

They hold the board meeting in a tiny room where only the board, media, and ten people can be in the room where it happens. Those ten are the people that get to speak during the public comment section. At the end, everyone else watches the live stream and has to either sit in the long hallway with sound coming from three different directions, or in the quote overflow room that is an HR office. All of this effort to hide when there's a big enough room to fit everyone just down the hallway. Not only that, but without even a 24 hours notice, the board changed some rules.

One of them was that the board could shorten or lengthen any speaker's time during the public comment section at any time for any reason. Usually each person gets three minutes with a total of 30 minutes of public comment. For context, this meeting lasted three plus hours. Over an hour of it was spent in executive session, not on camera, and Ryan Walters decided to spend that time tweeting instead of paying attention to information regarding the future of some teachers certifications, which, fun fact, they revoked a record number of teacher certificates in this past meeting. The other rule change was that speakers are now chosen by lottery numbers.

They did not make this announcement very public, and because of that, a man and his son camped outside so his son could speak to the board as originally it was first come, first served. The dad's number was polled, the son's was not. They did not allow them to switch out. Out of the ten, only one student was selected to speak. So many kids left disappointed because they couldn't speak to the board.

So many things were said and done in this meeting that was outrageous and rage inducing, but I felt like this was the most important part to highlight that they are trying to keep the public in the dark about how they are dismantling public education. The less eyes on it, the more they can get away with it. Oklahoma is testing ground for what republicans can get away with, defunding public education. Hope this will get more people watching what they are doing so they won't be able to hide as easily. Love the show, Jesse.

Thank you for your bluntness and rage. It is cathartic. Brittany, thank you for your logic and intellect. All of the love for sweepy and the tippy tappies and beloved chaos. All of the love, Amanda from Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Jesse Dolomore
What a message to send to children about the First Amendment, about democracy, about activism. It's just squelching any desire to be involved at all, and that's by design. It's not an accident that they're trying to suppress people's opinions for being shared in these public forums. These people are public servants. They work for us.

They work for the citizens and the taxpayers of Oklahoma. Goddamn. Yeah, I think this is a great example of we always get this question, or we've asked this question, and sometimes people will pose it back to us. We'll say, you know, what more can you be doing to get involved? What more do you feel like you can be doing to help make a difference?

Brittany Page
And this is something that you can be doing. You can be showing up to your local board meetings, education, whatever it might be, and really get involved at a local level, because I think people sometimes think the only politics that matters is national politics. It's actually the exact opposite. It's more important to be involved at the local level, because that's where real change can be affected right away. Right.

And you. You don't want to just be focusing on the latest drama with Donald Trump. Yeah, it matters. You want to be aware of that stuff. But what's happening at a local level is so crucial.

And the fact that Amanda is showing up and not allowing, I mean, they're, they are changing the rules. They're doing shady things. But the fact that people like Amanda are showing up and wanting to be present and wanting to keep their eyes on it, that makes a difference. Imagine if everyone just stopped caring and people weren't showing up, and you just made it easy for them to change these rules and do things under the COVID of darkness where no one can see. It's a great lesson for people who feel disheartened that they're not moving the needle with politics in this country today.

Jesse Dolomore
The more local you get, stepping down from national to a congressional, but federal election to more local and more local and more municipal and more municipal. The more local you get, the more of an outsized power and influence you have as a single individual. I would say even though they're putting up roadblocks, show up every time, take time out of your day, show up, make a difference, make them know that you're paying attention. And sometimes that's all it takes to keep them in line, is knowing they have eyeballs on them. And this Ryan Walters guy is one of the worst.

He is absolutely someone who is aspiring for federal office, for higher office, and that needs to be stopped, and it's going to take people showing up. So thank you. Yeah, thank you very much. And now we have a voicemail. Hey, Jesse.

Ed O'Keefe
Hey, Brittany. I know you two. On the previous podcast, I can't remember the episode, but you guys asked the audience about what are they going to do as far as November? What are they going to do as far as campaigning? Are they going to make phone calls?

Are they going to donate? I got to talk to their family and friends, and I wanted to respond to that myself. I'm 27 years old, I'm black, I'm gay, and I live in New York. I do have some issues with the electoral system because I just feel like, yes, our vote matters. At the same time, it kind of questions questionable because of how our electoral politics work.

But that's not the point of this. The point of this is, outside of the fact that I will be voting in November, my vote is unfortunately going to have to go for the second time. This will be my second official time voting. The second election that I was able to vote in would be this one that was eligible to vote in. And for the second time, I'll be voting for somebody that I absolutely cannot stand, which is Joe Biden.

Of course. I understand the argument of the letter of two evils. I know that Trump and the Republicans are just exponentially just a threat to just humanity as a whole. So we cannot have that.

Of course, I won't be doing anything to campaign for Joe Biden in any way. I don't want to bat for him. I cannot stand him and I cannot stand him for reasons that go back to the nineties. So this is like, this is not, this is not a new thing for me. I've always hated this man for what he represents and his record.

But my vote is going to go to him, unfortunately, because that's all we have versus him and Donald Trump. And my question, I want to pop a question to you, too, before I get off the line, is what can we do as far as pushing this administration to the left? What is going to be our game plan for the next four years? Because he kind of just sat on his hands for a lot of the bigger issues. And I just want to know what that strategy going to be.

So thanks. Bye. So I, one thing that I hope when people leave messages like this is that they will give specifics. So, like, you know, the policies that, that Joe Biden sat on his hands for, I would kind of want specifics on, on that just to know where the caller is coming from. I'm not saying that they're wrong about that.

Brittany Page
I just want, kind of want to know, like, what were the big policies that they were hoping that they would see some action on? But I, there are certainly promises made, promises not kept on the part of, of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Absolutely. Absolutely. Tax credit.

Jesse Dolomore
I mean, I can think of a few. Yes, yes. Or the COVID relief, you know, the amount of money that was going to be 2000 and then ended up being 1400 or 1600. Yeah. Yeah.

Brittany Page
So again, well, and here's the frustrating thing. Like you're bringing up the child tax credit, like Joe Manchin and Kristin Sinema stood in the way of the child tax credit, the Republicans stood in the way of the child tax credit. So there's always this question of, of the extended child tax credit. Excuse me. There's always this question of how are we going to push the administration to the left?

And I think there's some fantasy, quite frankly, that people are under, that the Democrats, if they don't get elected and Donald Trump is elected, they will be punished and they will go into crisis and they will be forced to look in the mirror and forced to evaluate what they have done and that it will prompt them to learn a lesson about how they need to be more progressive and that they will suddenly start rallying for more progressive policies because they've learned this lesson after losing an election. That's, I just don't think that's going to work. I don't think that's how things work. And so when you, when you have people rallying to support people like Joe Manchin and protect them from criticism, it prevents people from developing, like, fact based views about Joe Manchin. And I'm blaming the media here where.

Jesse Dolomore
But I would also put that on Biden. He's the president. He could, he could use the bully pulpit of the presidency to bring down all the ire that is necessary to shift Joe Manchin in his, in his ways of thinking and acting. And Joe Biden didn't do it. No, it's totally true.

Brittany Page
It's totally true. And it's very frustrating because I feel like the administration is certainly complicit in that. But the media also carries a lot of water for this, too, where people, the electorate is not being given the information to fairly judge why there is inaction. And there is inaction because not enough progressives are being elected into positions of power to ultimately get these things enacted. And I will also say that it's concerning for me to hear from people who say that they totally understand the threat of the Republican Party.

They know that Donald Trump cannot win, but they're not doing anything more than voting for Joe Biden. And that's kind of confusing to me because if you understand the threat that is the Republican Party and you know how bad things are going to get with Donald Trump, and so you're, that's moving you to vote for Joe Biden. Yeah. But you're not willing to do anything else to ensure that Joe Biden wins. That's a little confusing for me.

Jesse Dolomore
Incongruent. It's confusing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me, let me say this. I think it's interesting that people always do this lesser of two evils things, and it's not the lesser of two evils.

You need to look at where your vote is going to lead the country. What's the outcome going to be? And if you believe there is a more positive outcome or even a less catastrophic outcome by voting for Joe Biden, you, it is your duty to do so. It, you're not electing, and look, I'm not going to say, oh, you're not electing a pope. You're not electing someone who's a perfect individual.

It's not about that. We are facing existential threats right now. If Donald Trump is elected and he has a cadre of individuals around him who are ready to snap into action and fundamentally, structurally change the culture, the way we govern our very democracy, if Trump is elected, it is more important that you vote for Joe Biden, whether you live in a blue state, a guaranteed state for Joe Biden or not. I'm just, I'm so tired and listen, anonymous caller, I think you were. Anonymous I'm, I'm grateful.

I'm thankful that you are going to do your part to vote for Joe Biden because you, you clearly see the roadmap of a Trump presidency. I mean, the Republicans would consider you an overly marginalized person in your twenties. You're black, you're gay, New York City, oh, you're one of the scary coastal elites. But clearly you have an understanding. I think just extrapolate that thought out just a little bit more and come to the conclusion that if you're going to vote, maybe do something more, even if it's just convincing others of your position that they also need to vote, that that might be enough.

Brittany Page
Well, in data for progress recently, did some polling on whether voters are aware of the things that Biden has accomplished as president. And if you take something like, you know, reducing the cost for prescription drugs like through Medicare, right. 46% of the 1200 us likely voters in this data for progress poll said that President Biden has not accomplished this. And so you have, and it was accomplished, right? So you have people that are just not aware of things that President Biden has done.

And again, that's, that's on him, right? He needs to be out there without a doubt, speaker one, the Biden administration needs to be out there talking about what they've done and not spending time talking about how Mitch McConnell is a great guy, but instead talking about an honorable man, how the Republicans are standing in your way, and how Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema are basically Republicans also standing in your way and the things that you could get done if there were more progressives that were in power, even though he's not a progressive speaker. One, just imagine, just imagine the messaging that could be accomplished on just the economy alone. If Donald Trump was presiding over the current US economy, republicans wouldn't shut their fucking yaps about how great things are. And you don't hear Joe Biden saying anything about it, right?

Jesse Dolomore
He's not bragging, he's not talking, he's not touting, he's not elucidating the situation at all. Donald Trump would probably do a Andrew Cuomo situation and have a daily press conference where he exclusively talked about how well the economy was doing under him. Remember those with COVID Yeah. Whenever idiots were Cuomo sexual? Yeah.

Brittany Page
Calling themselves Cuomo sexual. How did that go for everybody, by the way? How did that end up? Fucking idiots. All right, so thank you for that call.

This continues to be a very fraught topic where, you know, we're not going to please everybody. People are going to disagree. That's totally fine. And we hope that we can do it respectfully, understanding that. But we're all trying to make it through this election season, keeping the harms that are possible, the harms that are going on right now, where we're trying to navigate all of that and we're trying to just reduce harm.

That's really what's happening. So we'd love to hear from you. 657-464-7609 or you can send an email to idoutitollimore.com.

Jesse Dolomore
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Brittany Page
So I said it would take us about 30 minutes to get here. But, you know, sometimes we're wrong about stuff. Sometimes it's 40 plus. So Donald Trump convicted on 34 felony counts. Yeah.

Jesse Dolomore
And on every count brought before the jury, guilty felony. Yes. And of course, we know that Donald Trump has been saying that this is rigged. He couldn't get a fair trial. Of course they were planning their appeal before the thing even started.

Brittany Page
So they're going to be moving forward talking about how it was unfair, he couldn't get a fair trial. But really, the way that the jury comported themselves illustrates that they took their job very seriously. I agree. And if they did not, then they wouldn't have taken as much time as they did deliberating. They wouldn't have asked for certain parts of David Packer's testimony, Michael Cohen's testimony to be read back to them.

They wouldn't have asked for a metaphor that the judge used about, like, how you make inferences based on things based on facts. They wouldn't have asked to have that. Read back to them or the jury instruction. Right? Yeah, there was a lot.

They would have just proceeded and gotten it over with. But they wanted to do this thoughtfully. It appears, and it appears that they did. They came to a unanimous decision. Twelve jurors guilty on all counts.

And so what this means is that they unanimously agree that Donald Trump knowingly falsified business records to cover a payment to stormy Daniels with the intent to commit another crime. That is violating the New York election law. And they had like 55 pages of instructions to go through. Like, it was kind of a nightmare. Kind of a nightmare.

And you've been on, you were on the grand jury for a year, so you understand some of the difficulties and stress of being on a jury. This is a heightened level of stress because you're in the room with the. Former president of the United States of. America and the current candidate for, well, not officially until the convention, of course, but the presumptive nominee for the Republican Party. And you know what happens when you get doxxed.

You know the risks associated with these things. And so I guess now we're waiting for his sentencing, which will happen July 11. And I know you did a live, well, we did a live stream. You were just on camera. I was off camera putting the.

Jesse Dolomore
You were running it. I was just running my mouth. And a common question that keeps coming up is, what do you think will ultimately happen with the sentencing? Yeah, I mean, without beating around, given the more lengthy than it should have been, because I was thinking about it in the moment, working through it. I think it's more likely than not that he ends up with some kind of jail time, even if that's some kind of a house arrest, which would be kind of a cop out bullshit move.

But ultimately, what I said is what we need to do is look at crimes and convictions of this caliber and see what kind of a sentence was handed down. Donald Trump should, as much as we would like him to get the fucking book thrown right at his head, Donald Trump deserves no more, but also no less sentence and punishment and reprisal for this crime than anybody else would if they had committed it, because that's ultimately what we want, is a blind justice system. It shouldn't matter that he's president. He shouldn't be treated differently, more gingerly, more delicately, because he's a former president, but also, he shouldn't be treated more harsh because of that, because how much people hate him, that's not the way it should be. He should get dispassionate justice.

Brittany Page
And people are also questioning whether or not he can vote. And so what this looks like is the state of Florida defers to whatever state you were convicted of in your felony case. And so in Donald Trump's case, that's New York. In New York, you are only disenfranchised. That is, you cannot vote as a felon when you are incarcerated, when your period of incarceration ends in the state of New York, even as a felon, you can vote.

And so Florida would defer to New York's law. Yeah. And so it looks like Donald Trump, if he's not incarcerated, which he probably will not be, will be able to vote still. Like, if he gets probation, supervised, or unsupervised, he will be able to vote. And the thing is, like, I think felons should be able to vote.

Totally. So I think if you're convicted of a felon, you should absolutely not lose your right to vote. Yeah, we shouldn't be hoping he can't vote. What we should be is sticking to our principles. If you believe that felons should, should be able to vote.

Jesse Dolomore
And I do believe they should be able to vote, but it is interesting to highlight that the party that does not want felons to vote now has a felon who might not be able to vote in his own election for himself in the upcoming presidential election. Yeah, I had a moment where I was listening to him. He came out after, after he was convicted. And let me guess what he say. Highly conflicted judge, witch hunt.

Totally. Highly innocent. I am, or some shit. Yeah. But he also said that the country is a mass.

Brittany Page
We've never seen a greater mass or whatever. And that there's the likes of which millions of people pouring over the border from prisons, and I literally yelled at the tv, bitch, you were just convicted of 34 felonies. Like, why are you talking about people as though they're other coming from prisons? Like, technically, millions of felons just like. Me are coming into the country.

Like, suddenly he's. Anyway. So while Trump, baby, I think ultimately we can all take a moment to recognize our joy in that. This person, who has been able to evade any type of meaningful consequence their entire life, has finally been faced with some semblance of accountability. That is certainly something to celebrate.

And I hope that everyone listening is taking the time to do that. It does not mean that the work ends or that we still have several months ahead of us before the general election. It's not even the most important fucking thing. The election is the most important fucking thing, right. And I mean, these things are not going to stop him.

His voters are only going to want to vote for him more, unfortunately. And it shouldn't matter, right? All these polls of, like, are you going to be more or less likely to support Donald Trump if he gets convicted? It doesn't matter, because they're going to do what they're going to do. They're going to continue to support him.

I hate when people say it's going to embolden him, and he can use it as a campaign talking point. Let him. Yeah, I think it's worth it to have him. He had to sit in a, in a room in the back of the courtroom for two days wondering what the jury was thinking about him. Yeah.

Jesse Dolomore
Also keep reminding us, Donald Trump, that you're a convicted felon. Yeah, keep running your suck. Fantastic. Yeah. So any semblance of accountability is positive in my mind.

Brittany Page
And we would love to hear from you on how you celebrated it. Maybe you celebrated by watching Jesse's livestream. What? 657-464-7609 or you can send an email to idoutitollimore.com. okay, so we are going to talk about the israeli strike on Rafa, the tent massacre, as people are calling it, in the southern city of Rafa.

Of Rafa, which triggered protests around the world. Around the world. I mean, finally, there is some withering support from even some of the diehards that we've seen in the United States and around the world. Like Piers Morgan, for instance. Oh, yeah, they've lost Pierce.

Jesse Dolomore
If you've lost fucking Piers Morgan, you've done yourself a disservice there. Bibi Netanyahu, right? Yeah. So Netanyahu called this, this, this tent massacre that happened, a tragic mishap. And I guess, how many times are we going to hear about these tragic mistakes, these tragic mishaps that keep happening?

Brittany Page
That's what he said about the world central kitchen. Aid workers that were killed were targeted. That's. That's what he continues to say. When, by the way, only they claim two Hamas terrorists were killed in this tent strike.

And I guess I would ask everyone before you listen to this news package, and even during. At what cost? Panic and horror in Rafa last night as flames raged through a camp for displaced Palestinians after an israeli airstrike triggered a massive blaze. Civilians burned alive and children decapitated. Rescuers rushed to help anyone pulled from the rubble.

Jesse Dolomore
We were sitting at the door of the house safely. Suddenly, we heard the sound of a missile. We went into the house, and we found a girl and a young man who had been cut into pieces. By sunrise, a charred skeleton of the tent camp is all that remained. Survivors searched the ashes for anything to salvage.

Narrator
A prayer mat, pairs of shoes, or a Quran, now destroyed.

Brittany Page
We were praying, and we were getting our children's beds ready to sleep. Then we heard a very loud noise and fire erupted around us. All the children started screaming, and all. The nearby rooms were shaking. The strike hit Gaza's southernmost tip in the Tal al Sultan neighborhood of Rafah, where thousands of people were sheltering.

Narrator
Israel's military said it occurred outside of the designated humanitarian area, including al Malasi, where it had ordered Palestinians to evacuate. Earlier this month, israeli officials said the airstrike targeted and killed two top Hamas commanders using small warheads that were precision guided, but the casualties were outstanding. Still, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged to investigate and called the civilian debts a tragic mistake.

Jesse Dolomore
Despite our best efforts not to harm the non involved, unfortunately, a technical failure happened last night. We are investigating the case. We will present the conclusions because this is our policy. Israel has said it's working to eliminate the last remaining Hamas battalions in Rafa, which continues to fire on Israel. As with these missiles it launched at Tel Aviv yesterday.

Narrator
But after the top UN court ordered Israel to halt its Rafa operation last week, its latest strike has triggered a new wave of condemnation. Guido Crozetto is Italy's defense minister.

Jesse Dolomore
I have the impression that Israel with this choice, is spreading hatred, rooting hatred that will involve their children and grandchildren. French President Emmanuel Macron said he was, quote, outraged by the israeli strikes, saying these operations must stop. There are no safe areas in Rafa for palestinian civilians. So there's several things in there that are enraging. And I think one thing that keeps coming up is this idea that Israel is going to launch an investigation.

Brittany Page
And it's like when, you know, cops are accused of wrongdoing, caught doing wrongdoing, and they say they're going to investigate themselves. It's like you're investigating yourself, like you're not credible. What you're not, that's not, that's not going to do anything. Well, also imagine, let's put this in context of who these people are. This is Benjamin Netanyahu.

Jesse Dolomore
He is a Trump like character. Would you be satisfied if Trump said, we're going to investigate the wrongdoings of our own administration? Of fucking course not. You would not. Right.

Brittany Page
And there was a viral moment this week where Ed O'Keefe, a reporter with CB's, asked a question of John Kirby, the United States National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications. I didn't read that. I just know that. And. You'Ve seen him before?

Jesse Dolomore
He used to be a spokesman for the Navy, for the DoD, for the State Department. He's been around a lot. He's a professional communicator for administrations. Yeah. He's the professional communicator of.

Brittany Page
We're very concerned about this. Oh, yeah. And that's, he takes the Susan Collins approach. Yeah. Troubling.

And that's what this question was about, because going into Rafa was a red line for the Biden administration. And so now this question is, well, is that, is this crossing the red line? And does that mean that you're going to stop funding this? And does that mean that maybe we should start sanctioning Israel? Like, what's going to happen here?

And Ed O'Keefe asked a very pointed question about this that John Kirby actually claim offended him a little bit. How does this not violate the red line that the president laid out? As I said, we don't want to see a major ground operation. We haven't seen that at this point. How many more.

Jesse Dolomore
Charred corpses does he have to see before the president considers a change in policy? Mister, we don't want to see a single more innocent life taken. And I kind of take a little offense at the question. No civilian casualties is the right number of civilian casualties. And this is not something that we've turned a blind eye to, nor has it been something we've ignored or neglected to raise with our israeli counterparts, including it this weekend as a result of this particular strike.

John Kirby
Now they're investigating it, so let's let them investigate it and see what they come up with. But the president doesn't have, like, a personal limit to this. The president has been very clear and very direct about what our expectations are for israeli operations in Rafa specifically. But in Gaza writ large, we don't support, we won't support, support a major ground operation in Rafa. And we've again been very consistent on that.

And the president said that should that occur, then it might make him have to make different decisions in terms of support. We haven't seen that happen at this point. The. Why not have him come out and say that himself? Mister, the president has been speaking to leaders throughout the region on a regular basis.

He has been addressing you guys in various fora. You've got plenty of opportunities talk to the president, including, I might add, in a press conference last week. Good American.

Jesse Dolomore
John Kirby. Listen, why don't you shove that unbelievably arrogant, I'm a little bit offended by that, and shove it right up your ass. Listen, if the stated goal of Israel and the stated goal of the United States is to kill Hamas, is to dismantle Hamas, then all you've done Israel, and by extension our support, the United States. All we've done is create a recruitment tool for Hamas. All we've done is create a radicalizing moment for individuals who witness their families being decapitated being murdered, being slaughtered, systematically targeted by Israel.

All we've done is create an incident that will bolster the numbers. It will enhance the ranks of the terrorist group Hamas. Who's going to be to blame for that? They'll blame Hamas. They'll blame Islam.

But we have a role to play. Israel most certainly has a fucking role to play here. And we're playing arrogant with, oh, I'm a little bit offended. Are you offended when people like me talk about gun violence in this. In this country?

That. How many. How tall is the. How. How tall is the pile of dead kids need to be for action to be taken?

The same fucking argument can be made here. Exactly. So stop with your nonsense about all offended trying to squelch the legitimacy of the question of Otto Keith. On that note, Jesse, regarding what you just said about Hamas's ability to recruit, I think is what you're talking about. That's what I was getting recent reporting in Politico.

Brittany Page
According to us intelligence agencies, quote, although Hamas's communications and military abilities have been degraded, only 30% to 35% of its fighters, those who were part of Hamas before the October 7 attack, have been killed, and about 65% of its tunnels are still intact. Biden officials have also become increasingly concerned that Hamas has been able to recruit during wartime, thousands over the last several months. That has allowed the group to withstand months of israeli offenses, according to a person familiar with us intelligence. Speaker one. So let me say this.

Jesse Dolomore
Look, if, God forbid, something was to happen at the hands of Hamas stateside, it is absolutely, the blame lies on them. Terrorism and violence. There's no excuse for it. But we can't call ourselves blameless in it when we've supported the wholesale slaughter of palestinian non combatant civilians. We can't.

We funded this. Our money has gone to kill women and children and innocent non combatant men. Hamas ranks will invariably, without doubt, swell. So the stated objective is a fucking joke to try to get attention off of the corruption and the. The terribleness of Benjamin Netanyahu and his government.

Brittany Page
Yeah. So we would love to know what you think about this. 657-464-7609 or you can send an email to I doubt it at dollar more.com dot. Briefly, I just want to play one clip from a voter panel. I talked last episode about how this is my new thing that I do, is torture myself watching these voter roundtables.

Jesse Dolomore
Is it becoming a fetish or just an obsession or just an interest? I think it's like how people drink coffee in the morning. It gives me a pep in my stuff. It kind of wakes me up a little bit, the rage pulsing through my veins. So.

Brittany Page
So this was, this was an NBC roundtable, I believe, and they were talking to a group of what they call double haters. These are people that don't like Donald Trump and don't like Joe Biden and that are, like, curious about RFK Junior. And I just want to. I want you to hear this person's response about why they think RFK junior would be a good candidate. And I think, why he.

Why he knows about the economy? Oh, I picked him because I know he would be good for the economy, because I know he's involved in stocks and then crypto, and I think, I don't know if he was environmental or he does something. I don't know what's environment. So I think he's just hopefully help with the economy environment. Well, I know that he is one.

Narrator
So for me, it's really just past history, a family history for him. Basically what his uncle did for our country. I haven't really looked up his policies, but based on who we have, I would lean towards. Towards him. With a little bit more research.

Brittany Page
With a little bit more research. Wait, wait. Ultimately, her reason is because his last name is Kennedy. With a little bit more research. I mean, that's.

Jesse Dolomore
That's still not as bad as the first girl. I know he'd be. I know not. I suspect not. I'm thinking, not a guy to hunch.

I know he would be good for the economy because I know he's into stocks. I think that was the quote. Mm hmm. So because he owns and crypto and crypto, because he owns a share of IBM, ostensibly, he'd be good for the economy? He'd be good for the wide ranging economic health of our country because he owns a share of stock, dumbfuck.

Brittany Page
It's absolutely horrifying. So, listen, we appreciate anything that you are doing to talk to people in your social circles, to help try to educate them. We appreciate that you're listening to this show and engaging with things in a real way and, like, reading the news and really making an effort, because there are people, people who are gonna be voting, and they just have no idea what's going on. And it's really, really scary, you guys. It's really scary.

Jesse Dolomore
We cannot leave the election to those two dumb dumbs. It's all the fuck we need. So we can't. We also can't leave you on that note. So we'd love to know what you think about that.

Brittany Page
657-464-7609 or I doubt it@dolomore.com. but we can leave you with this taken care of biz. What do we got today? Brittany Page Rachis. Rachis is a male orangutan.

I'm so struggling with how to say that word because. How do you say it? Orangutan. Orangutan is how you properly say it. It's kind of the same with opossum or opossum.

Uh huh. It's opossum is the proper way to say it. It's like people say ornery, but it's actually ornery. So colloquially, people call them orangutans. I'm comfortable saying that.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. It's also, like, I still call it Uranus even though it's uranus. It is. Yeah.

Jesse Dolomore
It's not uranus. It's uranus. Okay. It's Uranus. All right.

Brittany Page
So anyway, it's also not Neptune. It's Neptuni. Yes. I was just ignoring you at that point. Rachis is a wild orangutan.

Tang tan. And researchers say that a wild red great ape, that rachis is the first non human animal to purposefully treat a wound with a medicinal plant. This is the first time that we observed a wild great ape using a plant, a potent medical plant, in order to treat his wounds. He was observed feeding on this plant for 13 minutes, and then he continued chewing, but stopped swallowing and put the plant SAP from his mouth precisely onto the wound. And he repeated this behavior for seven minutes.

Isabel Lammer
So over and over, he put plant SAP onto the wound, and then later, he also took the more solid plant matter from. From his mouth and put it on top of his wound, fully covering the wound. Orangutan males, when they are in puberty or after puberty, they disperse over wide distances to establish a new home range in another area. And we know that rakus was not born in the area, so it's possible that the behavior is actually shown in his birth population, and he might have learned it from his mother or another orangutan. But I think there's a few key things here that really make me convinced that it is a form of animal self medication.

Jesse Dolomore
And one of them is, as we said before, the orangutan really specifically applied the mixture that it made to the wound. No other body parts. It's very directed in what it was doing.

Is that an orangutan? Is that what they sound like? I think so. So we should also give a shout out to scientist Isabel Lammer, who is quoted, who was speaking in that, in that clip there, a cognitive biologist and primatologist. And this is just a fascinating case because these researchers say that they, they can't say for certain whether rachis knew that this plant would do what it did, which was ultimately heal his wound.

Brittany Page
Whether he knew that it had these properties to heal his wound. They can't really say because apparently the orangutans have been. I think it's orangutan. Orangutan have been. They munch on this plant.

It's something that they do. They munch on it. And this is the first time that they have witnessed, like, chewed it into. A paste and then packed it onto the wound, which was right under his eye on his fucking face. Right.

Like, it was very precise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was something precise that he did. And so they. Pretty amazing, if true.

Well, yeah, so they're just trying to figure out, like, the. The mechanism behind the behavior. And they say that just like with humans, where humans may understand the basic idea of a bandage, but not more complicated medical types of interventions, that, as one researcher was quoted saying, I think this really speaks to the intelligence that all animals have to utilize what works for them. Yeah. So who knows how Reykjas figured this out?

But he did figure it out, and we should. You know, the animals are gonna come for us. It's gonna be something, and we're gonna. Deserve every fucking bit of it. Yeah.

And it's really not gonna be. And that's coming from a guy who still eats meat. Yeah. Well, yeah, not great, and it's not great, and we know that. And we're gonna leave on a good note.

Jesse Dolomore
And here we are talking about the animal uprising. So, anyway, Rakis, taking care of Biz, taking care of himself, taking care of. His wounds, also taking care of biz. Absolutely. What an amazing job getting us this information.

And also, listen, Ray kis, if you're listening, when you rise up, we're a couple of the good ones. You were taking care of biz on episode 916 of I doubt it podcast. So that's pretty good. He would love to know what you think. 657464, roughly redo that.

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#916 - "Head-Sized Hole, Convicted Felon Trump, Eyes on Rafah, and Takin' Care of Biz feat. Rakus!"

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