#912 - "Civil War, Historic Criminal Trump Trial, AOC's Forceful Push for Biden, and A$$hole of Today feat. Matt Walsh!"

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Welcome to the number one show in the world right now. The whole power structure's coming down. Episode 912 of I doubt it podcast. I'm your host, Jesse Dolomore, joined today by the lovely, the talented, and indeed the scholarly Britney page. Well, we recently went to the movies, which we don't do often.

No comment on the uproariously energetic intro to the show. The whole power structure is coming down. Number one show in the world right now. Yeah, I just. We.

Brittany Page
I get it. So, I mean, let's leave everyone else to enjoy that. And so we don't get to go to the movies very much, but. Wow. Just moving right along.

What do you need? What do you need? What kind of writing? What recognition would you like for your Alex Jones impression? Oh, that wasn't an impression.

Jesse Dolomore
That was more wacky. Morning zoo DJ saying the words of Alex Jones. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah, it was very good.

Wow. Thank you. All right, let's move on. What do you want to talk about?

Brittany Page
It's like the. I'm trying to bring energy to the show. It's like the Nathan Fielder when he. Nathan Fielder. Nathan, for you.

Everyone knows the show. Everyone knows him, hopefully. I love him. And he has an episode where it's kind of become a meme online where he's talking to this woman, and his whole thing is he's kind of awkward. I hope you're hungry for nothing.

That's another good one. But this is when he looks at her after kind of making small talk for a while and pauses for a second, and he's like, so I hope that's enough small talk to make you feel comfortable. Yeah, that's the ghost Realtor episode. Yeah. So anyway, the movies.

Jesse Dolomore
I do want to talk about this. We went to see Civil War and we were hearing mixed things about it, mixed reviews. And so we were not sure fully what to expect. Although I had watched a few interviews with the director Alex Garland, and kind of got the gist, the vibe of what to expect from him. And I liked it.

Brittany Page
I thought it was good. I also liked it. But let me say, it's one of those times where whenever Alex Garland talks the director, I agree with everything he says. And then when I hear criticisms, I also agree with those criticisms. But I think the criticisms are largely people attempting to like it's not the movie they would have made or that they wanted it to be, so they criticize it.

Jesse Dolomore
When I think it was fantastic, ultra realistic in some of the dramatic, like, combat scenes. Definitely trigger warning type of shit. Violent.

Who's Kirsten Dunst? Husband. What's his name? Jesse Plemons. Jesse Plemons.

God damn. I mean, if that guy isn't an actual psychopath, he is the greatest actor known to mankind. Just a great role. Apparently, he wasn't even, like, cast, and he just. Someone dropped out or something happened, and he had to fill that role and hadn't met any of the cast or anything.

He just showed up and was acting and, wow. Even more horrifying. Yeah, yeah. Really, really, really good, though. Yeah.

Brittany Page
And we don't want to. We don't want to, like, spoil anything. Oh, wait, I thought this was a spoiler rich review of the show. Yeah, that's one of Jesse's prominent pet peeves. Oh, I should have added that to my hates.

Yeah. On the bonus episode. Yeah. When we did the bonus episode, the ten loves and ten hates become a patreon, and you could have access to that. So that went really.

That went really well. Obviously an unscripted moment. No, that was scripted. It's really good at this. So there's been a lot of criticism for civil War.

You're not prepared. Kind of along the lines of what you were just. Were just mentioning where people, I think, wanted Alex Garland to have this, like, forceful anti Trump message or something like that. And again, I don't want to give anything away. This is like, stuff Alex Garland has already talked about.

But he described it as a nonpartisan movie. He said people are calling it non political and that he finds that, like, absurd. He doesn't know how someone can watch the movie and walk away thinking that, but that it's nonpartisan. And that's because he leaves the. The context in which the civil war has occurred ambiguous.

And I think you can take issue with that, certainly, that there wasn't enough context, given that kind of stuff. But I think people. Some people who are criticizing it were like, why wasn't Donald Trump actually cast as the president? Right. I mean, come on.

And I think you can still watch it and understand what the picture is that's being painted for you. Yeah. Art like this, for me, is intended, or it should serve the role of sparking conversations about the topics that it addresses. And I think it did that very well. I think people are going to be having sometimes tough conversations about the context of the movie and what it was about and the current status, if you will, of where we are in american history right now.

Jesse Dolomore
I think he did a good job. Yeah. Obviously, he could have done it differently. It could have been better or different, but, you know, he did what he did, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Yeah.

Yeah. So now we don't know what movie we're gonna see next. We. I think we missed our opportunity to see the new Ghostbusters movie, which we both wanted to see. Cause the last one was really good.

Here's the problem with movies in today's landscape of media, is we might go upstairs right now and it's on fucking Netflix. Like, who knows when these movies are gonna be out of theaters and then immediately streaming. Yeah, that's true. Like, we. There have been several movies that we were champing at the bit to watch, and then we bought them.

Holdovers is one. Yep. Yep. Did we go to the theater or did we watch that? Did we buy that and watch it?

Brittany Page
We watched it here. Yeah. And then literally, like, just a couple of days later, it's wherever it is streaming right now, HBO or Macs or whatever the fuck everything is. Yeah. So who knows?

Jesse Dolomore
Who knows? Maybe. Maybe, you know, they'll beam it right into my head. Yeah. And then you can just, like, put your head up against mine and just listen.

Cause you won't be able to see the pictures inside. Yeah. Elon Musk, are you listening? That's a new idea for you, buddy. People are eager to get his.

Brittany Page
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So thanks to uplift for sponsoring a portion of today's episode. And also thanks to Jessie D for obviously working late into the night when we recorded that. Cause I have the raspiest fucking voice in the history of voices. Well, I was also thinking, because. So when I edit this, there's a version that I create for the general audience, and then there's a version that I create for Patreon because Patreon gets ad free episodes.

Brittany Page
And so I was thinking that we could start doing, instead of playing the ad, when I take it out, we could put something in that has a music bed and is like, doo doo. There's an ad playing, but you don't have to worry about that because. So we still inconvenience them. Interesting. Maybe it's not a good idea.

You know, I shouldn't do my brainstorming on Mike. That's what I just learned. Okay. Or while the ad is playing in our ears, because we're also listening to the goddamn thing. Because I have a button here.

We have to know how well we did it, or we need to know how to. And for those of you who don't know what we're talking about, finding the right materials, and I'm teasing. All right, so let's get to some listener communication, which is an important part of the show. And if you ever want to write us or call us, you can do that. 657-464-7609 or send an email to idowtitollimore.com dot.

The first two emails we're going to read are in response to our previous episode, 911, where we talked about the, I believe it was the caller who was concerned about comments that they, they read on various progressive news channels that seem to be anti religion and sometimes even insulting of religious people. And they wanted to know our perspective on that. This was the same communicator audience member who also said that if you don't, if you're not Christian, you don't believe in anything. Yes, yes, yes. Kind of doing the same thing that they don't appreciate.

So here are some listeners who have some thoughts on that. Hi, Jesse and Britney. Today I listened to episode 911 and I can really sympathize with the caller who was concerned about the vitriol and contempt often heaped upon people who express religious beliefs. I was taught that it is always wrong to denigrate the religious beliefs of others by my theologian grandfather. He was Ward J.

Fellowes who wrote religions east and west. I still believe in the values he taught me. After all, we're Americans and America is a religiously tolerant place, right? Well, maybe not so much. I'm an atheist and have often met horrified reactions to my atheism.

Evidently I'm going to hell and I am a Satan worshiper, a witch, and probably a baby eater to boot. I find it exasperating. Explain that in the case of Satanism, Satan would just be another God in which I do not believe. The religious intolerance cuts both ways. Thanks for listening.

Love your show. Kind regards, DG in New Mexico. Also, if you, if you're a witch, that means you're a practicer or a practitioner of Wiccan, I believe, which is also a religion, which you wouldn't believe. Yeah. Listen, one, the myth that America is a religious or that our foundational principles and peoples who came to this country from great Britain, it gets, it gets the same kind of whitewashing, propagandizing as thanksgiving does, or that Christopher Columbus got in America.

Jesse Dolomore
The Puritans weren't escaping religious persecution. They were the religious persecutors who were fed up with the tolerance that was being practiced in great Britain. And so they're like, we're fucking out of here. We're gonna go do our own thing. And then when other religious groups came over, they were intolerant of them.

So it's. I don't know, but I do. Listen, I agree with this emailer and I agree with the previous you, I don't remember her name that was expressing some of the, the bad attitudes toward religion. I don't have an axe to grind anymore with, with Christianity or with organized religion generally.

As long as you're, you're not beating somebody over the head with it and trying to convince them or cajole them or force them into your way of thinking and living, do your thing. Just like I would say to anybody with any belief or, you know, just don't strip away someone else's liberty in the pursuit of securing yours. I would also be curious about Dee. If they have experienced any kind of decline in negative responses to people learning that they're an atheist. I'm wondering if that's becoming less of a thing than it was maybe ten years ago.

Brittany Page
I don't know. I'm just curious. I think it probably depends on where you live. Probably just because of the increase in people who don't identify as religious, identify as nuns. That's being the atheist agnostic, n o.

Jesse Dolomore
N e non affiliate. But Dee is absolutely right in terms of the negative stereotypes that exist about atheists that are oftentimes rooted in distrust that lead to discrimination. The social psychologist will gervaise, I don't know if he does will Gervais or Gervais, but he has dedicated a lot of his work to studying the negative stereotypes about atheists that are also held. By other atheists, of atheists when they do polling. Yeah, and it's partially what my thesis was based on in grad school.

Brittany Page
The differences between atheist Deus and theists on moral foundations is what my thesis was on. And I wanted to look at if there were any differences, you know, on this issue of morality. And, you know, there weren't in terms of what, what people who believe these stereotypes would think. The people who think Dee is eating babies, for example. I often wonder if the atheists, people who are non believers in, in gods, if they get a bad rap and a bad name or stigmatized based on the prominent figures in atheism.

Jesse Dolomore
I guess, you know, people like Sam Harris, people like fucking Richard Dawkins, who wants to delineate the harm between different types of rape. I can't really think of anything negative about Daniel Dennett, who just passed away, by the way. Well, and hitchens people, even hitchens, yeah, he put a bad taste in people's mouth for sure. He's kind of snooty and I mean, I think he's funny, but, you know, he can be kind of off putting, I think, certainly. And, yeah, and I think the, the mockery that can come.

Brittany Page
Right. Richard Dawkins has suddenly taken to like praising aspects of Christianity, culturally christian or whatever. Right. In order to further marginalize Islam, which is very an interesting path that he is taking as an atheist, but so. He'Ll cozy up to an american and british white religion in order to denigrate a brown religion.

Jesse Dolomore
I'm using big fat air quotes here. Well, and that's why, again, and we don't need to rehash all of this, but that's why, even though this show in particular, it's why it's called, I doubt it started as a skepticism atheism podcast, and we quickly moved away from that because we realized, like the things that we spend time talking about and worried about, that they extend beyond the quote unquote God question. It's not really important as long as you are adhering to humanistic values. And so these debates that people have that they like, want to stand around and debate whether or not God exists, like, I don't really care. It doesn't really matter to me.

Brittany Page
And what matters to me is that we're like trying to make improvements here and now. So we have another emailer. Thank you to Dee for sending that emailer. There's someone important in my life that I identify as Dee. So it's kind of funny to say d because I'm thinking about that person.

All right, cool story. I'm just coming up with bangers. Yeah, yeah, it's fantastic. All right, this one is from anonymous. Although I will say that we very much love this anonymous person.

Just throwing that out there. Hi, you two. Another banger for me. All right. Another anonymous male just had to comment.

I listen religiously to a couple of podcasts that make fun of religion and especially the very american brand of Christianity. The reason I support them and love listening to them is twofold. One, it is still cathartic for me, many years after I have come out of the fundamentalist Christianity of my childhood to laugh at the absurdities earlier, it helped me also realize areas in which I still held beliefs and moral feelings that I had not actively chosen. Now it is still cathartic, as it feels much more empowering to laugh than to be sad about all the physical and psychological injuries motivated by religion. I sometimes wonder who I would have been without them.

But then you get all sad and depressed and nothing changes. Better to smile and laugh and look forward.

Totally relate to to that. So yeah, I think it was part of a grieving process and now feels more similar to the dark humor I experience among colleagues as a coping mechanism in response to working in situations that affect them on a very personal level. Two, it is a way to hear about the newest crazy conspiracy that the american christian nationalists are spouting in a funny way, and with thoughtful commentary about why it is crazy. Having grown up in that milieu, I still know the thought processes and can easily fall into them, so it is nice to hear about it from quote unquote outsiders without the comedy. It is simply too depressing.

But it is for me personally important to follow along as I still have contact to my family and the relationship works better if steered away from all the areas where we disagree. But I don't always realize when I'm stumbling into a new pitfall and my family has no real contacts outside of their christian nationalism bubble except me, so they don't know where the line goes either. Therefore, these podcasts making fun of religion Christianity actually help me to have a relationship with my family instead of just cutting them off completely. Sorry this is long. It's not easy for me to be succinct on this subject.

Too many feelings. Hope you are both doing well. Anonymous we love you anonymous thank you for your long time listenership and all of your many amazing contributions by the way of emails and voicemails. At times I relate to this a lot. I don't share their their angst or trepidation about prior involvement in the in their particular faith tradition they were raised in, because I look at it as I think I've told this story before.

Jesse Dolomore
But in Marine Corps boot camp, when the drill instructors are yelling and screaming and freaking out on you and threatening to send you home that you'll be dropped, and they always threaten that they're gonna send you whole, bald and stupid. And I never understood that until I became a Marine, till I graduated boot camp and realized the vast, wide world of knowledge that I would have been not exposed to had I been sent home bald. Cause I would have been stupid or ignorant of all of this stuff. I like that I was raised because it gives me a bird's eye view into the crazy, into the radicalism that is white or that is christian nationalism. I don't know that I would have identified what we were in as white christian national, white christian nationalism at the time, but.

And then I also very much identify with. It was a process to shed a lot of the beliefs that I held, whether that be morality wise or just basic politics, that were absolutely attached to christian nationalism, but I didn't identify them as having been attached to that. So, you know, it. That's why I think I romanticized libertarianism for so long. Small l libertarianism.

I think it was attached directly to the. The christian nationalist kind of ideals that I was raised in. Yeah. Yeah. So I think a lot of people will.

Brittany Page
Will relate to this email. Certainly there's a new, um, focus in therapy on religious trauma, and we are connected to someone who specializes in religious trauma, treating religious trauma, and started a. An institute for religious trauma treatment. And I definitely. We hear a lot from people who have experienced harms.

And, you know, Jesse, I think maybe you look at that experience differently in terms of how you were raised and generally think of it that way. But people who were raised in purity cultures, people who were raised in abusive environments where, you know, religion was used in a violent way against them. Like, there's a lot of different ways that religion can be used in a way that traumatizes people. And I think it is great if people can find a way to cope with that in whatever way is productive. And so if it is finding these podcasts or people that have also come out of it and who are mocking it, and that makes you laugh, and that's a way to cope, I don't really see a problem with that.

Neither do I. I do think you know this referring back to the person who left a voicemail in the previous episode and feels hurt when they see things mocking their religion. I think maybe this is a useful perspective for them to hear that there are people who are engaging in some of that as maybe a therapeutic process to kind of cope with their own experience. And it's not necessarily about them thinking that a religious person is dumb. Yeah.

It's more about learning to cope with the experiences that they themselves had. Also, if you think that you share the same religion as Marjorie Taylor Greene, for instance, or Nick Fuentes, maybe that's a. Maybe some reflection needs to be done there that I don't know that I would consider you sharing the same religion. But also, I think I might feel differently. Like I said, it doesn't bother me because I learned all this stuff that now I get to put into practice, but if I didn't have the outlet that I have occupationally to put that knowledge into practice and help educate people out of it, I might feel differently.

Jesse Dolomore
Yeah. Yeah. So it's just the luck of the draw that I'm doing what I do and able to use the, the lack of ignorance about christian nationalism that I feel okay about it. Yeah. So thank you, anonymous, very much.

Brittany Page
We appreciate that email. I think I'm, I was gonna do two more, but I think I'm gonna do one more because these are both long. We've gotten a lot of really great listener communication. Oh, you push one to next episode. Yeah.

And I want to say, you know, if you have sent us an email and you are bummed that you haven't heard it, I just want to say that we read it. We don't respond to everything because we get so much communication that we can't, we can't respond to everything, but we, we will. Sometimes, even if something was sent like a month ago, we bookmark it and it may come up again. So if you sent something, because I know people send us like, heartfelt, written, personal stuff, that's awesome. And I just, you know, if you're listening to this and you're like, what the hell?

I sent a really good email. Why isn't it being read? I just blame me. Yeah, I hear you. We are trying to, you know, get, get all of these messages when they fit.

Okay. Hey, Jessie. Hey, Brittany. Longtime listener, first time emailer, any who, I like to think of myself as decently.

All right. I like to think of myself as decently informed and try to keep my ear to the ground. But something I always wonder, yet never hear anyone, politician or otherwise, talk about when discussing abortions is how exactly a woman goes about getting a rape exception. What I mean by that is, considering how long it can take many women to even realize they're pregnant, and the fact that it can take months, years, or even decades, if ever, to prove it was rape, how the hell is a woman supposed to find out she's pregnant and prove that the pregnancy is due to rape in a few weeks? Furthermore, what about women who don't want to report the rape or aren't sure they were raped?

Before I go further, full disclosure, I'm immensely lucky enough to never have been raped. So I don't know firsthand, but I have no doubt whatsoever that an extremely traumatic, life altering experience in going public isn't something that's decided on a whim. The shame and self hatred alone must be soul shattering and can understandably cause someone to never report it. Not to mention the fear of not being believed, shamed, ostracized, or flat out blamed for it. So what is a woman supposed to do are the courts and doctors going to say that because she, for whatever reason, doesn't want to go public, wanted it so therefore it wasn't really rape?

I really try to understand things from different people's perspectives, but no matter how I look at it, I can't see this any other way than re victimizing rape survivors. So my questions to you guys are these, one, have you guys heard anyone talk about this? Two, what are your guys thoughts? Sorry for the length. Much love and support.

Jesse Dolomore
Jennifer, fantastic question, the answer to which I have no idea, and I think it's by design that these republican laws are put into place, leaving people with no idea how to go about it. Yeah. So we, we have talked about this on this show and, you know, we, maybe not enough, I will say. But like, for example, in Idaho, they have an exception for rape and incest in the first trimester. But you need to have a police report.

Brittany Page
And so this is kind of why we have spent a lot of time talking. And I won't speak for you, Jesse. I have spent a lot of time talking about how if you listened to the show even years ago, a couple years ago, maybe, maybe wasn't even that long, I don't know. I would have said there's a number of weeks that abortion, like, should be banned. I would say that's not unreasonable.

Like two years ago I probably would have said that's not unreasonable to ban abortion at 20 weeks, let's say. Now I think any ban is unreasonable and I think that it should be any week, anytime, abortion on demand. I do believe that and I don't think it's a radical thing to say. And the reason for that is because of these questions. Yeah.

Jesse Dolomore
And just the basic statistics surrounding which, what percentage of abortions take place after this week or that week. It's, it's so, it's so minuscule. And it points to the fact that it is an extreme situation that needs to be dealt with in a personal manner between a doctor, a physician, a medical professional and the patient. Right. And it just comes down to, and maybe this is the part that we've talked about a lot, is that the, these exceptions, these quote unquote exceptions still exist as a hurdle.

Brittany Page
It doesn't matter. They're putting these barrier obstacles. Yeah. They're putting it into place, but they're still obstacles even in the case of a woman's life. Right.

They'll say that there's an exception to the pregnant person's life and we're still seeing women being turned away in emergency rooms in red states where they're miscarrying in the parking lot because the doctors are too afraid to treat them. And luckily not dying, as has been the case in states all across the country with draconian, insane abortion policy. Well, and that's, and I don't know the numbers on that, but there's been at least one because there was that New Yorker article about the woman in Texas that died due to not being able to access emergency care and needing an abortion. And I'm sure there's other people. I'm sure there is.

But it's, again, difficult to get information about this and it is definitely a scary climate. So I think people do need to be more responsible when they're talking about these exceptions and ask questions like Jennifer asked here and say, well, you know, actually, how is that going to work? So you need to find out that you're pregnant in the first trimester. Then you need to go and file a police report. Then you need to get that.

Where do you, who do you need to get that to? Then you take that to your doctor's office. You take the, where do you take that? I mean, we really do, we could do a better job. And I think going forward we will of not looking at this from a 30,000 foot view, but actually getting on the ground with it.

Jesse Dolomore
And like, how exactly does that work? Right, right. Yeah. So thank you. Great email.

Great question. Thank you. Yeah. And I think that's a great reminder, Jennifer, to other people who are going to hear this email and think through that and start asking themselves those questions or even ask people that they come into contact with. So thank you for that.

Brittany Page
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Brittany Page
So the very historic, historic criminal, first criminal trial of a former president of the United States, Donald Trump, begins on Monday. And let's just talk about the process last week because they went through selecting the jurors and rural juror and they. Wow, when do you make 30 rock references? That never happens. The rurger, it was so chaotic with the press out in front of the courthouse and talking about every detail of these jurors, which they should not be doing.

They should. Fucking nightmare. They should really not be talking about the details of these people because that's what the Trump team wants. Yeah. They want their names, which the judge is not giving to Trump's team because they're afraid that Donald Trump will get them.

Jesse Dolomore
Yeah. And start targeting them or leak their names. And then, by the way, so twelve jurors were selected. Six alternates were selected. Let's say that juror number four, their identity gets revealed in the next six weeks that this trial is expected to go on.

Brittany Page
Then they get replaced with one of the alternates. So then it's down to five. By the way, the alternates don't know their alternates. Is that true? Yeah, that's right.

Really? Yeah. Huh. I hadn't heard that. Yeah, I thought that they knew that and they were expected to pay attention as though they were.

Jesse Dolomore
That's why they, that's why they don't tell them. Oh, interesting. So they'll just pay attention. But like, when I was on the federal grand jury, I was an alternate to begin with, and I knew that, but I didn't have to show up. That's why I knew.

And then, like, week one, somebody dropped out, and then I got the call and I was in. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So anyway, so what I was saying is basically, if they get through all of the alternates and there's no more alternates, that's a mistrial. Mistrial.

Right. And that's what the Trump team would like to have happen. So that he's not forced to sit in a room, which, by the way, he's acting like this is like torture for him, like he's being waterboarded in that courtroom. He acts like it's a walk in freezer at a restaurant. That's so cold.

Brittany Page
Well, then bring a jacket. Right. Put a scarf on. Put a beanie on your hat or on your head. Are you like, uniquely freezing cold?

Jesse Dolomore
Cause there's a bunch of other people in the room, dick face. I'm sure it feels great in there. Come on. Actually, a juror did complain about how it was cold as well. Wear a sweater.

Brittany Page
Yeah. So he is very unhappy to be sitting in a courtroom with lack of temperance in a cozy courtroom where he just has to sit there and shut up. But that's why he doesn't like it, because he has no control. Yeah. Not in, he's not in power in the room.

Jesse Dolomore
He's not even being called Mister president. When the judge refers to him, it's sir, sir, could you please sit down? Why are you standing up randomly? Sit down. In the courtroom, dick face defendant.

Brittany Page
That's. I mean, part of that was.

Jesse Dolomore
Can you imagine the judge? Look, you stupid fucking prick, sit down. Well, this was another, this was another aspect of this that if you love, if you are a justice seeker and you are angry about the injustice of Donald Trump spending a lifetime evading consequences, being able to violate people's rights, take advantage of people, and never have a consequence for it, even if he is not found guilty, this is acting as a consequence. Well, mild, but yes, there is consequence to this speaker. Mild for us for sure.

Brittany Page
But it's, it is good for him to sit there and to feel like he doesn't have respect or control and like he's just another dude who's possibly committed a crime, allegedly. Yeah. And what does it, what does it. Say about a guy who feels like he's being disrespected? Let me rephrase to Donald Trump not being kid gloved and treated like this immense, powerful, respectable character, but being treated just like a, a standard criminal defendant with respect.

Jesse Dolomore
That to him is just, it's a bridge too far. He can't handle it. He needs to be worshipped. It's fucking weird. Yeah.

Brittany Page
He's so delicate and fragile, and that's why I believe this is a good thing. Also, for the jurors that had to read aloud in front of him their previous posts and memes about what a child he is and what a narcissist he is and how he's selfish and they can't stand him. I love that he had to sit there and be present for that because he is someone who surrounds himself with, yes, men, who will not allow that kind of criticism or mirror to be pointed at his face. And so it's nice to have people that are protected, that he doesn't know their identities, and they can sit there and say, yeah, you know, I really think Donald Trump's a piece of shit. So I just can't be like a.

Jesse Dolomore
Lot of these jurors that got, a lot of the jurors that got booted, that didn't get selected, they got to say it right in front of his face, which, like you said, is short of tv. Doesn't happen. Right? So if you're wondering how it's all going to start tomorrow, good news, you're in the right place. This is all about the 2016 presidential election.

Unknown
Donald Trump facing 34 felony charges. Those are state charges brought by the top prosecutor, the district attorney in Manhattan. State charges. If he's convicted, he can't pardon himself. The alleged crime is falsifying business records in connection with that hush money payment to Stormy Daniels, which was routed indirectly through the Trump Organization.

Prosecutors say that they falsified the records on the books. There. We have twelve jurors and six alternates. That was what last week was all about, whittling down that jury pool to get a seated panel of twelve and six alternates. This is expected to go about six weeks.

Perhaps that means we could have a verdict this summer. And, of course, Donald Trump has pleaded not guilty and he denies the affair with stormy Daniels very aggressively. So what are the prosecutors going to be talking about tomorrow? Unfortunately, the viewers at home, you wont be able to watch. You wont even be able to listen.

There are no cameras in court. We have an entire team of reporters that will be there and sketch artists to do their best to bring it to life. The prosecutors are going to try to bring this to life by telling a story of what happened in 2016. And they have a bunch of witnesses lined up and ready to go that surely theyll be presenting in the coming days and weeks. Michael Cohen, first and foremost, hes the star witness.

In many respects. He was Trumps right hand man, attorney and fixer. He has now turned states witness. And he is a serious critic of Donald Trump. It was him who paid the money to stormy Daniels in 2016 to keep her quiet.

She never went public with those allegations before the 2016 election thanks to that hush money payment. Theres also hope Hicks. She is a Trump campaign official. She was part of the scramble behind the scenes in 2016 to prevent more damaging information from coming out against the candidate. Then on the bottom, you have Karen McDougal and David Pecker.

McDougal is a former playboy playmate who also alleged that she had an affair with Donald Trump. And David Pecker, as the head of the National Enquirer, purchased the rights to her story, but they buried it. They never published it, Fred. And that is part of a scheme that prosecutors have called catch and kill between Pecker, Cohen, and Trump to find bad stories, anything damaging about Trump, buy it, bury it, and make sure the voters would never hear about it. So it's not going to go well for him, I think.

Brittany Page
And I'm excited to see how it goes. Like the reporter there said, there are no cameras inside. There's no audio recording. It is just going to be reporters that are in there relaying the information and sketch artists. Yeah.

And apparently Trump's mad. He fucking hates it. He's like, why are you not drawing me so I look like Hugh Jackman? Oh, man, it really is. It is laying bare the wild narcissism of Donald Trump.

Yeah. Which is great. Another great thing about it. And this is what he's angry about. He has to be present because this is a criminal trial.

He has to be present every day. And so it's taking him off the campaign trail. Yeah. Off the golf course. So he, he's upset about that.

But that is happening. An election is currently happening, guys. I don't know if you know that. And it's going to be coming up very soon. November will be here before you know it.

And speaker one, no shit. Seriously, it is, it's happening. Yeah. We're mid year right now, right? And you're having prominent Democrats come out say that they're supporting President Joe Biden, that they will be voting for him.

One of those is Representative Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, AOC, who for the first time donated money to the House of Democrats, the campaign arm of the House of Democrats. And given this first time donation, there were, like, articles written about it. It, you know, was news that she made this first ever contribution to the campaign arm for the House Democrats. She was asked about her decision to make that donation, and I think her explanation for that is important to listen to. First and foremost, if Democrats do not retake the House in November, I do not have confidence that a republican majority would certify the results of a presidential election.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
The threat of fascism is very real and very serious, and it's probably at its most serious. And we've seen in the last two to four years in the history of this country, frankly, in some of the history of this country, that's number one. Number two, the path to the majority runs through New York state. And this fight has come here to our home. The fight for abortion rights, the fight for democracy is right here in our backyard here in New York state.

And I think it's really important that New Yorkers, whether it's from members of Congress to just us as everyday voters, take ownership over protecting the country and protecting our rights and freedoms. So that, to me, was a big piece of this and doing our part to make sure that we can win back the House majority, hopefully win a trifecta, and try to pass major changes on healthcare, education, climate and more. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez they're broadcasting from a windstorm.

Jesse Dolomore
What she's saying here is absolutely correct, and it needs to be remembered by everyone that there are existential threats that are on the ballot right now. You may not like Joe Biden in many many ways there might be policies that you vehemently, fundamentally, at your core, disagree with. But if Republicans win, you're going to be shit out of luck with zero influence to change those things. And, you know, cynical individuals aside, there is a threat that democracy will be over in America if Donald Trump wins or if the House falls into republicans hands and then they choose not to certify the election, thereby maybe putting Donald Trump into the office of president without having won the fucking election. Right?

So let's all grow up here and face reality that's on the ground that's actually happening. Right? And according to reporting from the New York Times, AOC went further in talking about this specifically related to speaker of the House Mike Johnson, saying that the party has turned into a party of Trumpism and it has turned into a cult of personality. I don't know if Mike Johnson has it in him to defend our democracy against a threat like that, being that he could be under pressure from Donald Trump to not certify election results. And AOC gave a $260,000 contribution.

Brittany Page
It's earmarked specifically for the party's voter protection program. It's the first time a member of Congress has given money to a program that works on voter registration, poll observation, and litigation. So there was another moment from AOC. Where that is an important. I didn't know that.

Jesse Dolomore
That's a very important distinction, that she's giving money specifically to that element. Good for her. Fucking good. Good for you, AOC. Yeah.

Brittany Page
And so she get, there was another powerful moment with AOC where she sat down with Mehdi Hassan, who just started his own Zetao news network. We're members of it. And he being paying members, we're not like, on their talents. We're subscribers. Correct.

So AOC sat down and he asked her specifically what she says to young progressives who are frustrated with President Biden when it comes to the issue of Gaza. I don't remember the question exactly, but you know what? Luckily, the clip has it. What do you say to a young progressive or an Arab American who says to you, I just can't vote for Biden again after what he's enabled in Gaza? What do you say to them?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
I mean, I think everyone comes to this prospect and this conversation with a different history, different background. What they bring, you know, for an individual Palestinian American that has had their family killed, there is nothing. I mean, I am not here to lecture anyone. I also think that this election is more in my personal view. I believe this election is about more than the president and also, it's not just one election that's happening.

We're having hundreds of elections, the balance of Congress, the balance of the house, the balance of the Senate, and the presidency. And I have a vested interest in protecting democracy, not just here domestically, but globally. And it isn't. I truly do not believe this as a lesser of two evils type of situation. I think about what conditions do I want to be organizing under in the next four years?

We can look at both of these individuals oppositionally as well, depending on what issue you have. But I would rather, even in places of stark disagreement, I would rather be organizing under the conditions of Biden as an opponent on an issue than Trump, who is not. He seeks to dismantle american democracy. And I am taking that personally, very seriously, because we will not be able to organize for any movement towards anything if we are facing the jailing of dissidents. I mean, this is the kind of authoritarianism that he threatens, and we have to take it seriously.

Jesse Dolomore
Now, I want you in the audience to juxtapose. We don't have the clip here because I'm just thinking of it as the clip played. But I want you to juxtapose that nuanced, specific, thoughtful answer against the answer that was given by Hillary Rodham Clinton the other day on whatever fucking talk show she was. Get over it. Get over yourself, she said.

It really tells you who's thinking about this from an ego perspective and a hierarchy perspective, that I am here granted authority from on high to tell you plebs how to vote and how to think. And then you have someone with some empathy and some fundamental understanding of the different points of view that face this election, that are going into this election thinking about things differently and saying, look, I don't come at it from your. Maybe from your point of view or your understanding or your life experiences, but I can tell you there's more on the ballot and at stake than just Joe Biden becoming president. And it's fundamentally protecting the continued existence of this country, because let me tell you, and I think she was giddy at this, but didn't come right out and say it. If America falls as a democracy, Ukraine is certainly to fall.

Israel will erase Palestinians from existence off of the planet, and it will be with the tacit approval, the explicit approval of an american presidency of Donald Trump. The differences could not be more stark of what a Donald Trump administration would look like versus what a Biden administration looks like that you don't like Biden. Just, it's so fucking obvious I just don't get it. Well, and it's frustrating for me because AOC gets it from all sides. And I'm not trying to uncritically put AOC on a pedestal or something like that.

Brittany Page
But I think she is a very talented politician, thoughtful to, but I think she's also a good person. And I think that she's the kind of person that we talk about on the show that you want to have power. And it was a very empathetic answer. It was a very thoughtful answer. It was an answer that takes into considerations, into consideration people's very real frustration and just, and not being disrespectful about.

Jesse Dolomore
The frustrations that people have. Absolutely. Yeah. Making space for it and, but still saying, listen, and I love what she had to say there about organizing under the conditions as Biden as the opponent rather than Trump is going to make for a more successful outcome, because under Trump, there's going to be no opportunity to organize for what those changes that you want under Biden. There is an opportunity to organize for those changes under Trump.

Brittany Page
That, that may not be a possibility. Well, and as we've, as we've talked about, you brought this up specifically over the course of the last couple episodes, that Biden can be moved positionally on policy. He can be shifted and cajoled into a position that's more favorable to progressive policy. Right. That's not gonna fucking, you think you're gonna have influence over a Donald Trump administration.

Jesse Dolomore
Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Yeah. So great answers from AOC, and we're definitely lucky to have her. So we would love to know what you think about that.

Brittany Page
657-464-7609 or you can send an email to idoutitollimore.com.

Jesse Dolomore
It's the assholes. Matt Walsh from the Daily Wire. Yes, he's the Daily Wire host. He, you know, he's really passionate about protecting women's sports. Yeah, he has led the charge.

I mean, he appeared as a wonderful Oscar caliber performance in that, that bigot movie from the Daily wire about lady Ballers. Oh, yeah, lady. That's. That. Couldn't fucking think of the name of it.

It's my favorite movie of all time, so I don't know why I forgot the name. Show us your lady baller's tattoo. Yeah, yeah. My Matt Walsh tattoo. It's right on the head of my dick.

Wow. What? Um. Too much? I just.

Brittany Page
All right, so the views and opinions. Of Jesse Dolomore are solely those of Jesse Dolomore and do not reflect the. Views and opinions of Brittany Page, who is a far superior person and much. More measured and reasonable in her views and analysis. So he has been one of these characters that, first of all, his main issue, just like many of them at the daily Wire, is just attacking trans people.

Jesse Dolomore
And they do it under the guise of supporting women that. Well, you do. You want your daughter to play sports against a man, a full grown man. Ah, we love women's sports. We have to support women's sports.

And as soon as that may falls out of favor or it's not the topic du jour, just not the case. He doesn't really give a shit about the lady sports. That's going to become very clear when you hear this segment. But this is in. This is related to Caitlin Clark.

Brittany Page
And listen, I don't. I don't follow sports. I'm just gonna say that up front. I have recently been hearing talk about sports teams from people, and I have to ask, is that a baseball or is that a basketball or is that a football? You don't do it, like, ironically, like, I don't care so much that I'm gonna act like you just.

Jesse Dolomore
You don't. You don't know. I really don't know. And I don't. I never was.

Brittany Page
I don't know. Even when I was at the height of watching college football. Yeah, I don't care. The whole day was taken up by watching college football. You didn't know then either.

Yeah, I just. I don't. It's not something that I follow, and it's not an interest that I have, and that's fine. Of course, we have different interests. But I'll go anywhere for a hot dog, so I will go to games.

Cause those are fun, and they have hot dogs there, and they have good snacks. And so I like to go and enjoy a sports viewing every once in a while. Is that how people talk about it? Yes. You're nailing it, Brittany.

Jesse Dolomore
And so Caitlyn Clark, you are nailing it. Caitlin Clark is this very talented, like, number one all star basketball player, college basketball. And I know who Caitlin Clark is mostly because of SNL, and she was just on SNL with Michael Che, but she's also been making headlines because she was, like, the first recruit in the WNBA, and she's gonna be making draft. Yes. In the draft.

Brittany Page
Yes, exactly. Less than 80 recruit. Less than 80,000 a year. Yeah. And people were shocked to learn this because Caitlin Clark is so popular and is drawing millions of dollars into the state of Iowa, I believe, is where she's from.

And Matt Walsh had something to say about this particularly that the WNBA shouldn't even exist because no one cares about it. So here is lover and supporter of women's sports. Made it a feature of his fucking personality. Matt Walsh. It makes no profit.

Unknown
These women are getting paid salaries to play for a league that, economically speaking, shouldn't exist. You don't have to be a financial wiz to understand that losing money for 30 years is usually a recipe for bankruptcy. The only reason the women's league stays open is that the NBA subsidizes it. Every year, the men's league hands millions of dollars to the women. And why do they do that?

Well, so that everyone can feel good about the fact that a women's league exists. You're probably familiar with those charities where you can metaphorically adopt somebody from the third world by sending money to a charity that supposedly then goes to that family. Well, that's basically what the NBA is to the WNBA. They have adopted it like a third world child. Now, what does this mean?

It means that, again, nobody watches the WNBA. The leftists on Twitter and in the media complaining about WNBA salaries have never watched a game in their lives. They've never sat down to watch a women's game on tv, much less have they purchased tickets to watch it at the arena. They'll support the league by whining on its behalf on social media, but they won't support it by actually supporting it. Last year, the WNBA had its most watched regular season in 20 years.

So this was a record record, you know, audience. And during that record season, the average audience for each game. Can I pause here for a second? I just had this thought. I don't eat at Applebee's.

Jesse Dolomore
I think it's. It's a famous take of mine. World famous take that. I pride myself on having no idea where the nearest Applebee's is. I've said this for years.

Brittany Page. Coastal elite. Yeah, huge coastal elite. And let me tell you, those people deserve to earn what they're worth. They earn to earn a living wage.

I'm not taken out of the conversation because I don't eat it. Fucking Applebee's dip shit. All right, we'll let him continue. Aim was 500,000 viewers. Now, to put that into perspective, 500,000 is about the viewership of CNN's weekly 10:00 p.m.

Unknown
Show with Charles Barkley and Gayle King. And that show was just canceled after six months because the audience was so low that it wasn't sustainable. 500,000 for professional sports league that airs on network television is an even more catastrophic embarrassment and would be even less sustainable if not for the fact that the WNBA doesn't have to sustain itself, which is fortunate for the league, because it would be out of business in a month if it did have to sustain itself. Now, Joe Biden wants. Joe Biden.

These women, to get their fair share. Well, I ask you this. What is a fair share of $0 in profit? That's a math problem. So easy that even our vegetable of a president should be able to do it.

The fair share, the actual fair share, is nothing. Zero. That's what you deserve to get paid when you put a product on the airways that nobody cares to watch. Unfucking believable. The hubris of these whiny, sausage armed little clowns.

Brittany Page
So, there's several things here. So just strap in. Cause I'm gonna go through a few things. So, I wonder why the views for the WNBA would be so low in our society. I wonder what the number one reason that the views for the WNBA can be so low.

Is it because of misogyny and people like Matt Walsh who have. You know, ever since I was a child, I witnessed men laugh about the prospect of watching women play sports. Yeah. That they were not as entertaining. They're not as competitive, they're not as strong.

It was laughable that anyone would care to watch women play sports. And it's so ingrained that these women are not talented or worthy or whatever, that you have videos go viral where dipshits challenge collegiate athletes to races. Like that dude. And he gets fucking smoked. She's not even trying.

Jesse Dolomore
And she smokes him because in his mind, he's like, well, they can't be actually talented because it's so ingrained in these assholes. Yeah. And so let's just talk about the money that Caitlin Clark has generated in her state in playing basketball. And so this is. According to reporting from Hawke Central, which is local reporting in Iowa, Clark and Hawkeye woman's basketball increased Iowa's gross domestic product by 14.4 million to 52.3 million during her career.

Wow. The increase in consumer spending over the last three basketball seasons due to the quote unquote, Caitlin Clark effect, generated an estimated 82.5 million, according to a study from Common Sense Institute, Iowa. I'm getting emotional, very unexpected about this topic. And they're bitching that she's making $80,000 a year, and she is. It's attributed to her that $80 million in economic benefit to the state of Iowa.

So come on. And this is according to Common Sense Institute Iowa, an economic research organization. The report focuses on increased attendance at games in Iowa. It does not factor in the money Clark has made from sponsorship deals or increased revenue from televised games. So people want to attend.

So it's a minimum of that amount. They want to attend these games. They want to see Caitlyn Clark in person. They want to see a woman playing basketball. That's the thing that is changing.

Brittany Page
And you would think that these. These people who pretend to care about trans people in sports, they always say, I don't want girls to have opportunities taken away for scholarships. Scholarships for what? To play a college ball? To then go on and be in the WNBA?

Is that what you're talking about? Obviously not, because you don't think it should exist. And you're saying that they shouldn't be paid money because they don't generate profit, which clearly, Caitlin Clark is generating a lot of money for the state of Iowa. And that's only going to continue in the WNBA. And then I looked into the kind of origin of the WNBA.

So the WNBA brings in 200 million annually, relies on the NBA for its funding. Like Matt Walsh said, the, which, by. The way, is a business decision. The NBA is not a fucking charity. They're doing it because it.

Jesse Dolomore
It helps their bottom line to give that money. The NBA brings in 10 billion. So, of course, Matt Walsh was, you know, citing these numbers. But according to reporting from the New York Times, when the NBA and its commissioner at the time, David Stern, founded the WNBA in 1996, return on their investment wasn't their immediate focus. As Stern later recounted, he wanted to, quote, develop new fans, more programming, have arena content outside the NBA season, and give girls an incentive to play basketball.

Brittany Page
And he said he knew it was going to be a long haul. So this article references that, you know, the WNBA needs more time. The NBA had a 50 year head start. They had stars like Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, that helped lift it up in the eighties and nineties. And so you have this star, Caitlin Clark, who is going to be generating money for the WNBA, as she has done for the state of Iowa.

And instead of celebrating that from someone who, again, claims to give a shit about protecting, quote unquote, girls and women's sports, you would think he would celebrate Caitlin Clark and actually advocate, like, people are for paying her more. But he's Matt Walsh. Yeah. And of course, during his show, he had an ad that he wedged in there, and it's not as bad as when Megyn Kelly did it. We talked about this on, like, a video that we did about Megyn Kelly where she was being, like, very hateful during a trans rant and then went into this ad and it was like fa la la la la la la la la la.

But this was similar in terms of, his voice is still the same, the tone is still the same. But he starts talking about compassion for women. If they're getting paid anything above zero, they are overpaid. You know, a lot of people who are upset about the pro abortion movement are asking what they can actually do to fight back. And, well, this is what you can do.

Unknown
You can support organizations like Preborn because Preborn is out there on the front lines helping women to choose life. Preborn covers all the bases for soon to be mothers, and particularly ones considering abortion. Preborn meets women with compassion, encouragement and understanding, providing them with the tools they need to choose life. Yeah. Because in his view, women, that's, they need to be just vessels for childbirth while you out there on a basketball court, you need to be, you need to be having the babies, not playing the b ball.

Jesse Dolomore
Mat Walsh. Yeah. And again, instead of recognizing all of the women who have been generating views for sports, Serena Williams, you know, Megan Rapineau, all these different people that have been popular stars of women's sports, who, by the way, I'm just thinking of now, actually, a lot of these conservative figures don't like those people. Right, of course. And criticize them and talk shit about them.

Brittany Page
So it's all very inconsistent. We knew what it was from the beginning. But hearing Matt Walsh say that the WNBA players should be paid nothing because no one watches it, no one cares. No one wants to support it. It should really solidify that they don't actually care about the trans issue.

They just want to be hateful, and they're just using it as an opportunity to generate that hatred. Yeah, to be bigots. We'd love to know what you think. 657-464-7609 and of course, as always, you can email a voice memo from your smartphone or a voice memo. It doesn't have to be a vase.

Jesse Dolomore
Memo to idowed it@dollarmore.com. If you want to help support the show, we are here for you. Go to patreon.com. I doubt it. Podcast.

Pick a tier. And for as little as $2 a month, you can help keep the lights on here in the studio. We will see you next time on episode 913, if you can believe it. I am Jesse Dolomore. This right here is Brittany Page, a new sports fan?

Brittany Page
A new Caitlin Clark sports fan? It's me. And this has been I doubt it.

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#912 - "Civil War, Historic Criminal Trump Trial, AOC's Forceful Push for Biden, and A$$hole of Today feat. Matt Walsh!"

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