Primary Topic
The episode dives into the romantic comedy "The Ugly Truth," focusing on its plot, characters, and cultural implications.
Episode Summary
Main Takeaways
- The film's portrayal of gender roles is criticized for being regressive and stereotypical.
- The hosts appreciate the comedic elements, although they often stem from cringe-inducing scenarios.
- The episode highlights how certain romantic comedies like "The Ugly Truth" can be both entertaining and problematic.
- Insights into the film industry's practices and changes over the years are discussed, emphasizing the evolution of romantic comedy tropes.
- The chemistry and dynamic among the hosts add depth and entertainment to the podcast episode.
Episode Chapters
1. Introduction
The hosts introduce the film and discuss their initial thoughts and expectations. They set the stage for a detailed critique mixed with humor.
Paul Scheer: "Today, we're diving into a classic of questionable romantic comedies!"
2. Character Analysis
Analysis of the main characters' roles and how they perpetuate gender stereotypes.
June Diane Raphael: "It's like every character is a caricature of outdated gender norms."
3. Plot Discussion
Discussion on the plot's reliance on clichés and its impact on the viewer's experience of the film.
Jason Mantzoukas: "It's just one trope after another, but somehow, it's hilariously awful."
4. Cultural Impact
The hosts discuss the cultural impact and reception of the film, reflecting on how it was received at its release versus how it is viewed now.
Paul Scheer: "At the time, it might have flown, but by today's standards, it's a relic."
5. Closing Thoughts
The hosts summarize their thoughts and reflect on the broader implications of the movie for the romantic comedy genre.
June Diane Raphael: "It's a perfect example of what we used to find acceptable in rom-coms."
Actionable Advice
- Reflect on media consumption: Consider how media influences perceptions of gender and relationships.
- Critical viewing: Watch old movies with a critical eye to understand cultural shifts.
- Discuss openly: Use films like "The Ugly Truth" as starting points for discussions on gender roles with friends or in educational settings.
- Explore diverse narratives: Seek out films and media that challenge traditional narratives and represent a broader spectrum of experiences.
- Creative expression: If you're a creator, think about how you can subvert outdated tropes in your work.
About This Episode
What's the Ugly Truth of this 2009 rom-com starring Katherine Heigl and HDTGM all-star Gerard Butler? Paul, June, and Jason travel all the way to Glasgow, Scotland to crack the case. They analyze the hot air balloon climax, a child bringing Katherine Heigl to orgasm via remote controlled vibrating underwear, all the bonkers fashion choices, and so much more. Plus, June gives flirty texting advice to help all you single listeners.
People
Paul Scheer, June Diane Raphael, Jason Mantzoukas
Companies
Earwolf
Books
None
Guest Name(s):
None
Content Warnings:
Discussions of gender stereotypes and outdated cultural norms
Transcript
Paul Scheer
I love Seatgeek. What's Seatgeek? Okay. Seatgeek is the number one rated ticketing app on the Apple App Store. Okay.
I love live events, concerts, basketball games, baseball games. And Seatgeek gives you access in a very easy to navigate, effortless app that finds the best seats and you can actually see where you're sitting. You just download that app, use the code movies 20 to get $20 off your first purchase offer applies to new customers. Only purchase must be over $50. The promo code is single user and valid through September 30, 2024.
Get tickets now on seatgeek. Hey, everybody. Just wanted to give you a quick heads up here. There's something we should all be doing. It's going to improve your life, make every day a little bit better.
And that is eat more Reese's peanut butter cups. Yes. Think about it. All the gurus, all the coaches out there, they've never said the words eat more Reese's. I mean, the combination of sweet chocolate and salty peanut butter, I mean, this is something that brings other people and ourselves joy.
That's why there's two in a pack shop. Reese's peanut butter cups. Now, at a store near you, found wherever candy is sold, and often in my pantry, because I love these. How is your sock drawer looking? I know when I open up mine, it is a sad scene.
There's lone socks. Holy socks. Well, guess what? It's spring cleaning, which means Bomba's spring collection is here. And they have new garden party socks that bring the party to your feet.
They've got stripes and florals, all new vintagey colored rib socks. I love them. They are the best sock your feet have ever been in. Get comfy this spring and give back with bombas. Head on over to bombas.com bonkers and use the code bonkers for 20% off your first purchase.
That's bombas.com bonkers. Use the code bonkers at checkout. Women are from Mars and men are from Scotland. We've saw the ugly truth, so you know what that means.
Jason Manzoukas
How is this gonna be our for?
What's up, jerks? That's right, London. Here we go. People love double j, man. Big Paul in the beautiful June gonna.
Paul Scheer
Take us in the gold all the way to the room, thunder pants. I've got a lot to say. I took notes. I'm not okay. People of gauntlet Bell pep things full of farts.
June Diane Raphael
Eat em all. Rupert Griffin changed his name. Jason is getting laid. June is so upset. I hate this.
That's my ugly truth. This place is full of bees. Here's a real question for you. How did this get paid? Get this guy out of here.
Jason Manzoukas
Here. Hello, people of earth, and hello, people of Scotland.
Paul Scheer
We are live in Glasgow for a very special Easter Sunday show with Scotland's patron saint, Gerard Butler. For a movie that has not just one Scotland, but two. That's right. I'm also counting Craig Ferguson, tonight's movie, if you didn't see it, it's a 2009 rom.com that shows that men are pigs. And to get a good man, a woman's got to become a pig or something like that.
I will say this. This movie is confused about what it is teaching. And it also feels like it should have come out in 1987. And it almost did. Because this script was on the shelf for twelve years.
And then someone decided to do a rewrite of it. And then we got this. Kathryn Heiglson second highest grossing movie, $206 million.
This shit worked. We'll break it all down. But first, please welcome my co host, Mister Jason Manzoukas.
Jason Manzoukas
What's up, jerks?
That's right. That's right, Scotland. Yeah. Here we are in Scotland. Finally getting to talk about Gerard.
It was daylight savings last night. Yeah. Oh, no. I did not know. Cause it happened in America three weeks ago.
I already lost an hour this year. You're telling me I gotta give another back to you fucks. I'm sitting in bed and I genuinely was like, did I just black out for an hour? And truly got upset and feel like you people have robbed me of a second hour of my life. Never mind having to watch this dog shit movie starring your king in exile.
My king, too. Jason. Paul, I saw this film in the theater. I paid for it now twice. Oh, this movie.
419 to rent, 499 to buy. I was like, of course I'm not gonna buy this. I have rented it four times on three devices. I should have just bought it. I've rented.
I have self financed a sequel to this movie. I believe this movie. What's great about it is it's really rewatchable. Well, I will say it ages well. Here we go.
Paul Scheer
Wait a second. Here we go. No, no. Here we go. No, no, no.
Jason Manzoukas
Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen. Here we go. Has stormed the stage. June Diane Rayfield.
June Diane Raphael
Thank you so much. I could not wait a moment longer. Welcome. So sorry, June. No, I couldn't.
You both are about to get into it, and I couldn't wait back there. Well, give it up for June 1 more time. That's my ugly truth.
Paul Scheer
And I will say this, June. How are you? I'm well. How are you, Paul? I'm well, thank you for asking.
You and I saw this movie together. I don't remember that. Okay. I do. I do remember that.
June Diane Raphael
So for a while, I would say from the years of 2014 to actually, quite recently, whenever Paul and I would see a movie, it meant we were leaving very small children at home. And so every movie we saw in the theater, to us, was the best movie ever. When we saw four christmases over Thanksgiving. We didn't have children. We didn't have children, but we were leaving a very intense kind of family situation.
We went to the theater and we both turned to each other and said, this is the best movie we've ever seen. I recently rewatched it. I tried to watch that movie this year. It is absolutely horseshit. It is.
But at the time, I was like, this is just so good. Now, I don't remember seeing this movie, but I have to be upfront. I liked it. This movie is. What a snapshot of an era.
Time and a place. What a time. The soundtrack is absolutely insufferable. The clothing is preposterous. You see, I disagree.
Paul Scheer
I think this is a snapshot of an era that was before this movie. Like, we look at it now. Go. This was definitely, like, 2004, 2005. Is it not 2009?
Jason Manzoukas
Okay. But you have to imagine itself for four years. No, here's the thing. You have to imagine. It was written in 2004.
Yes. Okay. Got greenlit in, like, 2005, 2006. Okay. They made it early.
Two thousands vibes. Definitely early. Two thousands. I need to talk about the wardrobe. Please start talking.
Never stop. So the beginning, before the big change happens. Oh, yes. Oh, the makeover montage. The makeover scenes and then the date montage are just gold.
June Diane Raphael
But I could not take my eyes off her shirts. And there was an astronaut single blouse. Cause they were all blouses that made any sense. Every no outfit made. So much so that when he says, you gotta dress different, I was like, thank God.
Jason Manzoukas
Thank you. Yes. Thank God there's a man here to tell her what's up. She likes. I have a theory.
Paul Scheer
My theory is that this, like, Gerard Butler in this movie, could be the gay best friend. Well, you know what, Paul? Because there are blouses. I know you wanna move off the blouses, but we're gonna stay here for another minute. I will also say, once we finish talking about blouses, I'd love to talk about hair.
June Diane Raphael
Oh, we're gonna go into hair, and then we're gonna segue quite nicely and easily into belts.
Paul Scheer
I'm here for the blouse discussion. I'm just saying that I felt like he acts as if he is a gay best friend. Yes. And there are some ugly truths that he has to tell her, and one of them is. Burn your wardrobe.
Jason Manzoukas
Yes. The blouses. There was one that I could have sworn had a hood.
June Diane Raphael
There were. Every single sleeve was surprising. That dissonance that's created with very low rise skinny jeans and then a smallish top that is, oh. Hooded and long sleeved now. So, like, it really cuts the body off in a strange way.
How about the t shirt vest? Yep. That long t shirt, gray vest that had not one skinny belt around it, but two.
Jason Manzoukas
Here. There it is right there. The t shirt vest. We can all see it. I mean, come.
June Diane Raphael
Come on and look at those sleeves have something. Oh, yeah, the sleeves have a button up, like a thing. And, like, she might as well add epaulettes on in certain outfits. I had a shirt like this that a commercial casting director liked. And I always, like, gotta button up my sleeve.
Paul Scheer
And I like the idea of buttoning up a sleeve like I'm holding it in place. Oh. As if this sleeve gravity is pulling it to the ground. Like I am made out. Like the shirt is made out of lead.
Jason Manzoukas
If only I had a snap or a button. If only I had some piece of technology to make wearing this sleeve easier. Clamp it up. His. Meanwhile, I just will take.
I don't want to. I'm not moving on from her, please. But he wears this absolute, really ridiculous sweatshirt on the air. Off the air. This is his best look.
Paul Scheer
What I didn't like about that was it showed me that he, like, not that he doesn't give a fuck, but it's like he should give a little bit of a fuck. Like he's on television. I feel like. And I'm just conjecturing here. I feel like this is Jerry Butler's sweatshirt.
June Diane Raphael
No, he was like, I want to wear this, Jason. You know, and I studied his close ups. And by the way, I'm a huge fan. Huge, huge fan. The movie didn't start until he came on screen, as far as I was concerned.
But, you know, in every shot, I studied those close ups. Cause I'm like, wow. He did not. There's no way he sat in a makeup chair for any amount of time. And he looks so hungover.
Jason Manzoukas
Yeah, he's sweaty. He's visibly sweaty in a lot of movie. A lot of the movie. Visibly sweaty and is exuding so much charisma. As to force everybody else out of the movie.
He's so, so compelling to watch. It's incredible. I became a male chauvinist just watching it. I'm like, I'm sold. I'm on board.
June Diane Raphael
I stand with him. I stand with him. He can believe Jerry. Yes, he could out Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate.
Jason Manzoukas
Right now I'm ready for espousing beliefs I find horrid and reprehensible. And I was like, yes. Go now. Can I tell you. Can I tell you the scene where he turned around after Colin, and we'll talk about Colin for a little while.
June Diane Raphael
But after Colin was in. What a dude. After Colin was in the hotel room, when he turned around and walked away from that room before she came out, I cried. If only. If only Colin was played by James Marsden.
Paul Scheer
We needed someone that had life. He's supposed to be a dud, but you're right. He should have also had more charisma, more of a something. And Marsden's a great one because it's. Like you don't want her with him, but, like, you don't also understand.
Jason Manzoukas
I'll take a speedman. Yeah, give me a speakman. Give me a Scott Speakman. I'm ready. Give me anyone from Felicity.
June Diane Raphael
But that's what the. The thing is. The ugly truth of it all is that. Are you getting paid every time you say the title?
So many. So many movies that are made during this time posit a world in which every single woman under 30 or 40 and under has a checklist. I've never known a woman to have a checklist. I mean, maybe there's one thing which is, like, have a job, or, I mean, but the idea that women at this time had, like, a giant checklist. She feels like she's from, like, olden days.
Jason Manzoukas
Like, she feels like her. He must curtsy for me before I get into my carriage. Her checklist is so thorough as to be a. And my boy, my boy, Jerry Butler points out a pure fiction, pure fiction that at her age, she. Everybody in the movie feels like they are written to be 21 instead of 36.
Paul Scheer
But the problem with this movie, though, is it's flawless. Well, yes. I mean, because. Well, because that's the thing, though, is that this is where I did. I did enjoy the movie, because I was like, yeah.
June Diane Raphael
His ideas about women, her ideas about men, are just as ludicrous, are just as absurd. Like, he can't see women, but she can't really see a man either. So, again, that's the ugly truth. But June. But June.
Jason Manzoukas
No, no, no. I agree. That's it. I agree. June.
Paul Scheer
I. You. I think you misread the movie. Because at the end of the movie, he makes her him and it works, and then that's it. Wait a second.
No, but she makes him her very slightly. She makes him hurt. Oh, no. He was already heartbroken. We know that he's in love with her.
Jason Manzoukas
She doesn't do that. He has to say it multiple times. Yes, he's been hurt before. At a certain point, he says, go with Colin because he doesn't want to see her get hurt. Beth.
June Diane Raphael
He doesn't trust himself. Beth, play clip eight. I don't like that you can do this. I had a momentary lapse in judgment when I thought you were more than you are, but you aren't, clearly. Oh, yeah?
Paul Scheer
What does that mean? I'm Mike. Chad way. I like girls in Jello. I like to fuck like a monkey.
June Diane Raphael
Don't fall in love. It's scary. Yeah, it is scary. It's terrifying. Especially when I'm in love with a psycho like you.
I am not a psycho. Love? Oh. I just told you that I loved you and all you heard was psycho? You're the definition of neurotic.
No, the definition of neurotic is a person who suffers from anxiety, obsessive thoughts, compulsive acts and physical ailments without any objective evidence. Shut up. Yet again, I just told you I'm. In love with you, and you're standing here giving me a vocabulary lesson. You're in love with me?
Jason Manzoukas
Why?
June Diane Raphael
Shit out of me. Incredible. That's what I am.
Paul Scheer
No speech, no nothing. No, they don't need it. They don't need it. Although I will say I agree. She has behaved like a psycho the whole movie.
He has not made any change. He is still a straight shooter. He's like, yeah, I said you're a psycho, and that's all you hear. Look, I love you. What else do you need?
She's like, all right, I'm in. Let's go. That's how the movie ends. Like, he has not changed one iota. He's not capable of.
Jason Manzoukas
Sure has. He's made himself vulnerable in. In ways that, Paul, you are not willing to see. This is the only moment where, like, at one point, Craig Ferguson fucking asks him a hardball question on that show, and he. What?
Paul Scheer
He had a fucking robot talking horse on that show. He's asking, who broke your heart? When did he become fucking Oprah? Yeah, and it rattles him. Rattles him.
Jason Manzoukas
It rattles him. And that's the one moment we're supposed to be like, oh, he's not such an asshole. I guess. Like, we get no detail. We get no detail about what was heart.
Paul Scheer
I had a heartbreak once. Oh, now I'm relatable character. Not once. He says. It happened many times.
Jason Manzoukas
Many times. It's gonna happen again. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because he can't stay with this psycho, the woman who does a background check and says to her first date, kudos on your comprehensive car insurance.
If I'm e from entourage, I am like, and goodbye, madam. What? And I'm e from entourage, by the way. E is five five, not five eight. Yeah, I thought that was.
Yeah. Is that true? That is true. Now, I did write. I did write at the very beginning, who is the protagonist of this movie?
Paul Scheer
Well, I guess that's a good place to start, because my big question was, what is this show? Is it a news show? Is it an entertainment show? I thought you were talking about this show. I don't know, Paul.
Jason Manzoukas
This is. How did this get made? Shit.
I wrote it over and over again because I thought it was. I thought it was one thing, then it was a different. It is a. When it was revealed to be local Sacramento, I was like, okay, I just tell you. And saying it's her show, like, she created the news.
Paul Scheer
I also. I don't want to play down to you, Scotland, at all. And this is also people on the podcast. You did say before the show, these people are idiots. Yeah, you said that, Paul.
That's only because I was next to a person from London. Now, what I will say is this. Sacramento isn't even like. It's not even a big market. It's a nut.
It's a nothing city. It says dud. It's a colon of cities. It literally has no defining. It has no defining feature.
It's not like. Like, if you say Sacramento, I live in the state that Sacramento's in. I'm like, the Sacramento I play there. I believe it's our state capitol. It is actually.
June Diane Raphael
A lot goes on there. No Sacktown. A lot goes on there. Our state really is the generator of, like, a lot of money in the United States. But I'm talking about culturally, what is Sacramento?
A lot is decided in Sacramento. But I agree. Do you think that that's why she's. Dressing so badly that she's only buying clothes from local Sacramento? Clothing?
It's possible. Here's the thing about her job, though. I mean, they keep on telling us that she's amazing and she's a hard hitting producer and, like, she does journalism. And yet the show that we, we have seen her do. Her show is terrible.
Paul Scheer
It's awful. It's a joke show where the only piece we see is, like, a cheesy cooking segment. It's a cooking segment in which the chef gives Cheryl Heinz duck. And why was that meant to be upsetting? Because I think she was allergic to it.
June Diane Raphael
But Katherine Hines. But they don't pay off on the joke that she's allergic. She just. I thought she was allergic to crab allergies. Very seriously.
No, I know you do. So if that was the case, then I'm. I stand with Sharon. I think she was allergic. But again, we're supposed to understand her as someone who's, like, putting out fires and dealing with big personalities and this and that.
And I'm like, well, the duck thing seems like your fuck up, Kathryn. This is my issue. They literally spend so much time, like, she's amazing at her job. Scene one, scene two. The show is failing.
Paul Scheer
You're terrible at your job. Scene three. Scene three, scene four. She has no idea what's happening with production. Yeah.
Jason Manzoukas
She's like, wait, she hasn't. She must have okayed all of these segments which she's like, what's going on? Where's he going? What's happening? And then she doesn't know that they've hired two women to jello wrestle and built a set.
June Diane Raphael
They built the restaurant set. The camera crew is moving at the job. She'd have to sign off on a. Budget for that restaurant set, hiring those actors. Now, here's what I really didn't understand.
And again, I love the movie, but I didn't. I didn't totally understand when at the end of the movie, when he is. He is. CB's is dangling this very attractive offer over him. Not even a national show.
Paul Scheer
Just, mind you, again, just to put the stakes here, this is like, you'll go to another small market. It's not like you're gonna get your own show. It's like you'll just do this in Chicago. And he's like, bigger market. Bigger, bigger market than Sacktown.
June Diane Raphael
Sacktown to the Mac town. We're talking about like a step. It's like, step by step, baby. That's how you. That's how it happens.
But here's my question. And during that, when she's about to go see him before he's going on Craig Ferguson and on a national market, she's saying to herself, like, your show would be nothing without me and what I did for this show. And I'm like, what did you do? You did. You actively tried to get in the way of the show's excellence that our guy Mike has brought to the equation.
I mean, but the moment where she has the camera guy zoom in on him, on Mike licking the Jell O off of one of the lady's fingers, it seems like that is the moment she keeps on pointing to as, like, the pivotal thing that. Right. That was her choice. Well, there definitely is, like, they start to really, as their flirting becomes a thing, it starts to be evidenced in the work that they feel like they work and they're getting a twelve share or all this kind of jarring. By the way, a twelve share in Sacramento is insane.
Jason Manzoukas
That's impossible. Again, this movie, like, just put her in LA. Why are we making it so fucking complicated? Well, I did love the reason why he was in Sacramento. That made sense to me.
I wrote that. Why is he in Sacramento? Sacramento? Because his sister, who doesn't have an accent, lives there. I believe that he's trying not to have an accent.
What I spent. I spent all of act one being like, is he pretending to be american? I think he is. I didn't even notice he's not working. And then at one point, I think, do they do a background check on him?
And someone says, he came to this country when he was, I don't know, six or something, but accent out from six to 30. My dad. My dad. My dad came to America when he was twelve. No accent.
Paul Scheer
Well, the only thing that I loved was that he was on local access, like, which means that anyone could do a show. He was on, like, local access, and everyone was talking about it. And his set is truly amazing. Can we look at this? This is scene three.
Jason Manzoukas
Now listen up, ladies, because I'm only. Gonna say this once. The mannequins in lingerie is next level with a hockey stick. Men are simple. We cannot be trained.
Paul Scheer
Why is he Barbara Venus? He's Barbara. He's burning the book. Time and money. Okay.
Jason Manzoukas
Want to be a lonely, then that's fine. This is the saddest apartment I've ever seen. But the art in her apartment is tragic. It's called a stairmaster. Get on it and get skinny while you're at.
Because at the end of the day. All we're interested in is looks. And no one falls in love with. Your personality at first sight. We fall in love with your tits.
Paul Scheer
And your ass, and we stick around. Because of what you're willing to do. With them. So you want to win a man over, you don't need ten steps. You need one.
Jason Manzoukas
And it's called a blowjob. And don't forget to my question. Cause what now? What follows is she calls into the show. She calls into the show, and they have a conversation, and it's fiery, and he likes it, and he's.
Then they go back and forth, and it's. It's their first bit of flirting in the movie before they even have met each other or anything like that. And then subsequently, the next day, art from Bosch. Give it up. My bosh heads in Scotland.
Bosch. We got a couple. We got a couple. Art from Bosh, who's the boss, is there, and he's like, I hired this. Guy, blah, blah, blah last night.
Paul Scheer
He hired him in the middle of the night now. Yes. And he starts work clearly, clearly after. Seeing this episode where his employee, Katherine Heigl, calls in, nobody recognizes that it's her calling in, which is absurd. Everybody must be like, hey, isn't that you?
By the way, it's also 2009, and he's just doing a straight up radio show on television. He's doing, like, a Howard Stern show type show. I mean, he's like, he's not looking at the camera. Like, this is the worst show of all time. Like, just put him on the radio.
Put him on the radio. What should have happened subsequently for the math of a romantic comedy, the reveal that they had had that call should happen. Like, right? Going into act three. Yes.
Jason Manzoukas
It should have been like, that was me. That was me. And he'd be like, wait, what? Oh, my. That they had this connection.
She tells him immediately. We had a conversation last night. She also. She's giving away all of her power in that moment.
Paul Scheer
Today's podcast is brought to you by Squarespace. I love Squarespace. I am in the middle of trying to balance my business life and my real life. This work life balance, it's tough. But Squarespace has been helping me by giving me the tools to reach my goals and have time to celebrate.
That's right. Squarespace is the all in one website platform for entrepreneurs to stand out and succeed online. With the guided design system of Squarespace Blueprint, you can select from curated layouts to styling options optimized for every device. Get your website discovered fast with integrated, optimized SEO tools. Plus, make checkout easy for customers.
With easy to use payment tools, you can accept credit cards, PayPal, Apple Pay plus. With Squarespace AI, you can explain what your site is about. You choose your tone and enter what you need to get auto generated perfect text. Anyway, I love Squarespace. I've been building sites with them from the beginning, and when I launched my book, I said, I am doing it all myself on Squarespace and I'm very pleased with it.
Head to squarespace.com for a free trial, and when you're ready to launch, go to squarespace.com. Bonkers to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. I recently went to the Telluride Comedy festival and I was sick and tired of staying in the same kind of cookie cutter places. And I went on Airbnb and I found a perfect spot for me and the family. We had an amazing time because we felt like home.
Then I realized, wait a second. What if I could give that feeling to someone else? Yes, that's the best part. When you're away, your home could be an Airbnb. That's right, many people host on Airbnb.
But there are people who have never thought about it or didn't even realize that their space could be an Airbnb. Hosting can easily fit into your lifestyle, and you can make someone feel great and make a little bit of money, too, because we all need a little bit of money. And maybe your talent or your gift to the world is having a killer place. So if you have a home but aren't always at home, you have an Airbnb. Your home might be worth more than you think.
Find out how much@airbnb.com. Host today's episode is brought to you by Cap'n Crunch, who said the kids get to have all the breakfast fun time? Break away from the ordinary with Cap'n crunch and bring back the spirit of adventure to your mornings. Everyday life can be stressful, but a tasty bowl of Cap'n crunch is an escape from morning monotony. Enjoy the bold flavors like original Cap'n crunch crunch berries.
Oops, all berries and peanut butter. Plus the crunch you love is now available in cinnamon, and it is delicious even in sea of milk. The crunch of Cap'n crunch is epic. Yes, my family is all in on the cinnamon cap'n crunch. I didn't think you could make it better, but they did.
I love my cap'n crunch, and now I love sharing it with my kids. Join the crew for your next breakfast time crunch venture. Get Cap'n crunch's new cinnamon crunch now at a retailer near you and learn more@capncrunch.com.
Jason Manzoukas
This movie wants to be dirty and raunchy, and it's not the more it gets. I'm like, wait, stop. Please stop. The worst ending scene of all time. They have sex.
Paul Scheer
He's like, did you really come? And she's like, you'll never know. Awful. True love. That's crusher.
Jason Manzoukas
I'm sorry. The only person that we know for sure makes her come is a child.
I want you to sit with that, Scotland. The only person to successfully make her character come in this movie is a child. And we are in. We are back in. I will on the pod, and I.
Paul Scheer
Will say that that should be the t shirt. A little kid with that vibrating stick in his hand. No, no. And he goes, I got what you need. I could not believe that they gave that scene to a child.
June Diane Raphael
I was like, why isn't he using it? Right? Can I ask this? By the way, if he had the controller, it would have been so hot. So hot that he's surprising her.
Jason Manzoukas
And she didn't know that's what they were doing. This is my issue with that scene. And I. And I. I hope it's that there was a kid manning the remote.
Cause that's the only issue there is. If you're cool with that. But I have a different issue. I'm open to it, but I'm not. I don't know.
I think you should be on board for my thing. Nope, I got a different issue. Kid be damned. The kid doesn't know. He thinks it's a tamagotchi.
Paul Scheer
So now here's what I'll say. We know that kid can read. That kid can read. And that's got some pretty suggestive material on the label. All right.
My issue with that scene was, it felt to me like they were trying to do an homage to, like, when Harry met Sally, like, when she does the fake orgasm scene. From my memory of that, I've seen that movie within the last two years. That is a sexy scene. There's something about it that's like. You're like, oh, what I see in that moment.
Jason Manzoukas
Can I do this? It's uncomfortable. It's not sexy. It's sweaty. It's weird.
Paul Scheer
And she seems powerless. But then all the guys that kind of came in their pants and, like, whatever you want, we'll give it to you. It's like, why? She looks completely unhinged. Well, it is forced.
June Diane Raphael
And it's. You know, you look at Meg Ryan's performance, and it's so realized, and it's so perfect. And what we are forced to witness here is so uncomfortable. I think the difference that you're talking about, though, with Meg Ryan in this is like, meg Ryan is in control of that moment. Like, if we're talking about it from that point of view, like, she's controlled.
Jason Manzoukas
Not only is she in control, but it is at Billy Crystal's expense. Right? And in this, she's not in control. And she's fighting it so hard. Walk away from the table.
Paul Scheer
And why don't we go away? Walk. Go to the bathroom. And she's like. She rides the wave the whole time.
And she's pitching something that's so unsexy, like sweeps week commercials. I don't even know. It's like, what am I. What am I excited about here? Just, like, a person going, the commercials that we'll have are.
Jason Manzoukas
This is in a family restaurant with corporate. And her date brings so many things. It's a hat on a hat on a hat. It's just so hard because all I kept on thinking was like, just take your undies off. Okay?
Go on. Well, if you were trying to struggle through. See? And that's what was very distressing about this scene, which was like, yeah, someone else is doing it to her, but none of it feels real. And also, she's fighting it so much that it's like, we'll just take them off.
June Diane Raphael
Go to the bathroom. Yeah, take them off. Well, and then it's not like she. Doesn'T know what it's coming from. I'm gonna say this.
Your underwear, take it off. I think. I also think that. And maybe I'm just wildly wrong and I've never experienced this kind of an orgasm, but I think in this scenario, I may have been able to be like, mind over matter. I'm gonna be cool about it.
Jason Manzoukas
You know, I'm not. I'm not gonna give over to losing complete control. I'm gonna be. It's like when you get a boner in sweatpants, you know, in, like, high school, and you're like, I can't wear sweatpants anymore. But again, like, can I go on the other side of this and say, but what am I, the audience member, supposed to feel?
Paul Scheer
And what am I supposed to feel if I'm an actor at that table? It's like, is she turning me on? No. What am I seeing her do? Come.
Okay, like that. Me. As the audience is going, okay, I'm watching her come against her will. Sexy. That's true.
At the table, I'm like, she seems insane. Where does this scene work for anyone besides making her come, which she hasn't come for eleven months after this movie, after this dinner. Rather, she should be fired and dumped. Or just make her talk about something sexy, like do something that, like, is together. It's so weird.
June Diane Raphael
It's very strange. Go to the bathroom. It would have been less weird for her to be like, I'm so sorry, I'm going to have diarrhea and just fully cheese in the bathroom. That's a scottish phrase. So I know that Katherine Heigl is a producer on this film.
Paul Scheer
And I feel like she added a lot of stuff, which I do think. And so is her mom, which makes. This movie a little complicated. Cause they're not really. I think every time they give her a flaw, they're also kind of correcting it.
But there was one thing that I feel like I watched and I was like, oh, this is a Katherine Heigl thing. And it's flossing. There's a lot of flossing. And that's not fun for me as an audience member or me as a person. I have to do it.
Don't want to see it. I don't ever want to see someone floss. And she covets it when she sees, when she's absolutely creeping on Colin from the tree, when she's peeping on him, and she's like, he's flossing, drenched. Hey. Like, what?
She climbs up a tree to get a cat who was up there for about 5 seconds. D'Artagnan? No, that to me suggests. It suggests there are two dead cats.
June Diane Raphael
Oh, wow. You don't name one cat after a single muscle. Do you think that those are three cats? D'Artagnan was my favorite. Passed under suspicious circumstances.
Jason Manzoukas
Oh, I think they swallowed too much flaws.
Those cats are dead. I do want to just. One of my favorite scenes in the film was when Gerard Butler's young nephew interrupts the morning show. He goes, oh, I just came from school. So wait, so you had this moment in school where you tried to ask at a girl.
Paul Scheer
It didn't go well. You're like, peace. Drove over to the local news affiliate and I gotta wait until he's off the air. Like, this is like 930, 10:00 a.m. In the morning.
Jason Manzoukas
This is a mor. This kid left school to come here to be like, should I say yes to this girl who asked me to the Sadie Hawkins dance? George Weller is like, kidding. You've got girls asking you out. That's what a Sadie Hawkins dance is.
My guy. The girls ask the boys, ay ay ay, ay, ay. Ay. Can we just talk about the hair? Yes.
June Diane Raphael
And hair in general as a narrative motif for women in romantic comedies. As soon as I saw her and her hair was slicked back in a bun, I was like, well, the hair's about to tell a story. You know that hair's coming down. Yeah. But then it comes down, and it then extension needs short.
And that's what was so fascinating, which is, like, I thought, oh, the hair's just gonna come down out of its bun at a certain point. And when she becomes more relaxed. But it not only came down, but it doubled in size. Yeah. It was so wild.
And the idea. Well, he's like, you need longer hair because men want something to grab on. And then I find that offensive. I was like, she looks great with shorter hair. I love shorter hair.
Jason Manzoukas
Looks great. But I think his point is, like, you're all business, and you're. That's not what got his caveman mentality, is, you know, guys want something to grab. Guys want something. But isn't the ponytail something easy to grab?
I think it's too business. It's too business. Get the ponytail thing. And if you pull it, seems ponytails seem fun. Also, if you pulled those extensions during sex.
Guess what.
Paul Scheer
June? I think we've all been there. Uh oh. I know. I'm so sorry.
Jason Manzoukas
I'm so sorry. I know it's movie magic, but, June, would you ever take out a whole back half of ecstatic extensions like that?
June Diane Raphael
Yes. Your uber pool is here. Her hair. Yes. A lot of extensions are just clipped in as, like, sort of a one piece.
Paul Scheer
Okay, so that just came out real quick. Okay. Yeah. But it was absolutely psychotic that she did it in front of Colin. Like, this is who I am.
Jason Manzoukas
Yes, yes. As if he would be like, ew. Disgusting. Disgusting. It's such a small transformation.
Paul Scheer
It's not like she rips off a mask. It's like, I'm your sister.
Jason Manzoukas
Here's a bigger question for Colin. When he met her, she had a shoulder length Bob. One day later, she has hair to the middle of her back. The guy is a doctor. He should be like, hang on.
What's up with your hair?
Paul Scheer
Oh, my God. It's also, like, what I couldn't figure out is, I think there's a real. And I think it's part of why I'm shocked. It's 2009. It feels like it's the early two thousands.
Jason Manzoukas
There's a real. I wouldn't be surprised if this was, in fact, a script. Like you said, June, written many years earlier. Because if it's 2009, why does he have a physical answering machine that is like, hey, it's Christy. I'd love to.
Hey, it's Nikki. If I don't get your big, throbbing boop. Hey, it's Karen. I'm sopping. Boop.
And it's like a cassette answering machine. But people have cell phones because there. Was a while where people were writing feature movies where they could. The basic structure of the movies were already there. This doesn't make sense.
June Diane Raphael
But in many movies, it was like, oh, I didn't get your call, or I missed it, or I wasn't home yet. And with the advent of cell phones, that device went out the window. So I do feel like there were a number of movies that were just like, we're not dealing with cell phones. I mean, again, this movie does so many lazy writing things. Like, but I have a date tonight.
Paul Scheer
Bring em. Like. Like, if we say it fast enough, you won't clock. But this makes no fucking sense. Also, why are they picking her up at her house?
June Diane Raphael
Why are they both at the door? And also, why are the jello wrestling girls there? It's not just that Colin's there. Colin. Imagine if the movie was just about Colin.
Jason Manzoukas
What a weird ride he's on. He's a doctor. If I found out my doctor was up to this, I'd be like, I'm gonna see somebody else. Because you're wasting your life. Colin thought he could hack it in the big time of Sacramento.
Paul Scheer
That's what happens. You get brought out on dates. You meet jell o girls. And I mean, and Colin literally, I mean, I know. I want to talk about sucks.
I hate Colin. Colin sucks. The montage of them dating is embarrassing. The flowers he sends her are terrible. He's just so unappealing.
June Diane Raphael
It's like, what it does. It doesn't work. We need more of a James Marsden. Cause it's just like, oh, he's so vanilla. There's no reason to be interested in this match.
Jason Manzoukas
Well, it really is. It's forcing her to be like, do you want to embrace who you think you wanted and what you thought your life was gonna be? Or are you gonna say, fuck it, I like cock, and go with this guy? I guess so. But at a certain point.
June Diane Raphael
At a certain point. And I'd love to see these DVD extras, but they do. Her and Colin have to talk to each other. I mean, they're spending time together on the. They must have shot those games.
Jason Manzoukas
They shot those scenes, and then they were like, fuck it. Montage? What are they talking about? Montage? We'll get somebody to cover a ska version of some old song.
It'll be cool. I mean, that's why I. That's. That's why I'm saying she has not changed. I mean, she learns her lesson because she hires a rapist instead.
Wow, that was. And how do we find out that he's a rapist? His first time on air, he admits to dozens of rapes, if not over 100 rapes. By the way, kudos to that casting director. Cause that guy was perfect.
Paul Scheer
I bought him as a guy who could pull off a lot of rape, be like, oh, he's nice. Come into my house. Let me drill into the back of your head. Like he felt scared. It was Creep City.
June Diane Raphael
Yeah. What was his audition like? Also, I could not get over him when we saw a little bit of it, but that our big third act set piece was taking place at a balloon festival where I was also, like, I thought those big balloon festivals happened in Albuquerque. Well, they talked about it. It actually happens in Temecula.
Jason Manzoukas
Yeah, they talked about it earlier in the movie, too. They seeded it early. But the scene that we saw, and I won't force us all to watch it again because it's truly awful. But it would have been so easy for when Gerard Butler comes and jumps into her basket. She's doing an impromptu after she kicks the rapist out of the balloon basket.
She starts talking about Jerry Butler. He runs over, he jumps in with her. It would have been so easy for the balloon to just lift off. They instead put a guy in an operator in the balloon who then has to be there for all of the scene we just saw. And I was.
Beth, will you play it again just for a bit moment. We don't have to listen to it. That's scene eight. But I would love it if we would just watch the man in the yellow shirt sadly drink champagne and try to be invisible in a major motion picture. I just told you that I loved.
You, and all you heard was psycho. You're the definition of neurotic. We're inside, there's this guy. Here's this guy just sipping.
It's not a cameraman. Because they made sure to affix a camera to the balloon. We don't need a cameraman. Here's the other issue with that scene. There's one moment where they go, they're on tv.
Paul Scheer
They're alive. Yeah. You're in the control room. At any point you go, and they're not live anymore. Like stop it.
Done. That's the people yelling their life. Have every opportunity to stop it from being alive. And the crazy part was, I was like, oh, I guess maybe for a second. Cause I thought the same thing as you, Jason.
June Diane Raphael
Like, why didn't they just have it going up? And us, like, be able to see this moment where they're dealing with falling in love with each other and hating each other, but then they're also dealing with surviving on a balloon that they've never piloted. Great scene. And I was like, oh, but they need someone there. Cause they're actually in a hot air balloon.
They're actually flying. Who cares? Green screen. So obvious. Wait, that's a green screen?
Paul Scheer
It's so realistic. So in that case, though, like, why not just. Why not just put them up there on their own? They told Gerard Butler it's gonna look like 300. He's like, oh, good, I get it.
Green screen. And then he's like, oh, shit, this looks terrible. This looks like my kid's eye movie. The one moment in the movie where they were like, well, it wouldn't make sense for them to go up without a driver. Who cares?
Jason Manzoukas
None of the. None of the shit you've shown us makes sense. We just watched a kid make her come. You think we're gonna. You think we're gonna disagree?
I'm out on this movie. There's not an operator in the balloon basket. This movie, I wrote that. Like, this movie, like the arc of this movie, if you really wanna trace it, is it starts with Natasha Bedingfield and it ends with Flo Rida. And that really is like.
Paul Scheer
That does. That's all I need to know. Happily ever after question mark. And how do we begin? Once upon a time?
I mean, that this movie is. I don't know what it's positing at all. Because at the end of the day, what is my takeaway? I know you keep on asking these questions. We don't have the answers.
Because the. Cause it's like, it's. It feels to me like a he's not that into you type of movie where I think women are supposed to leave going like, oh, I get it now. And men are supposed to be like, I got it. But then I feel like there are scenes and moments that almost feel like they think they're doing, like, something about Mary.
Jason Manzoukas
Like the blowjob at the baseball game scene, which is a crime that is happening in the stands where it appears as though she's, like, giving him an aggressive blowjob. She's just cleaning his pants, but it looks as though she's giving him a blowjob. They're on the kiss cam, but they're. For a minor again. And, like, 20 minor league baseball.
Paul Scheer
Like, can we lower the stakes anymore? Let's put it in a kids game. Like, I mean, why not? Then she'll come.
What a time to be alive. You can get anything you need. And when you need it delivered, you can get it right to your door. With Doordash. I am on DoorDash at least twice a day, every day, because I can get anything delivered right to my door.
Sick at home? I get flumeds ASAP on vacation. Realize you left your charger at home? Guess what? They'll send one to your hotel.
I did that with undershirts when I was in Chicago. Maybe you just on the couch watching tv. You want something delicious? Order a snack, get it to your door. I'm talking about pet food, snacks, neck braces, alcohol, toothpaste, joy con controllers, headphones.
Whatever you need, it can get delivered to you. Doordash is the way it saved me this week when I was in Chicago. I did not have the proper clothing. And guess what? It came through in a major way.
And here's the best part, too. As a parent, Doordash is your next stop for everything. Oh, I gotta get snacks for the kids soccer game. You can get them delivered to the field anyway. Doordash your door.
To more download the DoorDash app now and get almost anything delivered. Must be 21 plus to order alcohol, drink responsibly. Alcohol available only in select markets. Here's the thing, people. Walmart plus is the membership that saves you time and money on the stuff you'd expect, but also on the stuff you don't.
Let me explain. Did you know with your Walmart plus membership, you can save money on gas? Yeah, save gas while you drive the kiddos to soccer practice. Plus visit your in laws. Plus venture into the wilderness, plus wherever you want to go.
Because Walmart also saves you time and money with free delivery. Perfect for ordering new remote batteries or coffee when somebody finishes it without telling you. And then, you know, eat all your snacks that you have stored in the back of that pantry for movie night. How dare they? Plus, you can actually even save on the actual movies with a Paramount plus subscription stream.
Top gun Maverick. Plus mean girls. Plus Jack Reacher. Plus so much more. Because savings is what this whole Walmart plus membership is all about anyways.
Members save on gas. Plus free delivery. Plus paramount plus. Plus so much more. Start a free 30 day trial at www.walmartplus.com.
See Walmart plus terms and conditions. $35 order minimum. Paramount plus essential plan only. Separate registration required. Here's something that we've known since the dawn of bread.
Everything is better sliced. Let me explain. Slice a pineapple, you get a blast of fresh fruit. Slice some jeans, get some jorts. That's why the new Captain Morgan sliced went all in on four bold, deliciously sliced cocktail style flavors, including pineapple daiquiri, strawberry margarita, mango mai tai and passion fruit hurricane.
Try the new Captain Morgan sliced because sliced is better. Visit captainmorgan.com to find sliced near you does not contain real fruit or juice. Captain Morgan sliced premium flavored malt beverage with natural flavor and certified color. Captain Morgan Enco, Plainfield, Illinois. Please drink responsibly.
21 plus. You know, it was, he is very watchable. Oh, he's more than watchable. He's absolutely making the movie make sense in a way that in any other hands you would be like. And I will say that there are some ugly truths that he shares.
June Diane Raphael
Like the scene where he stops her from calling Colin after they've met once. I was like, yes, please. All the stuff when he's Cyra, knowing her, I thought was terrific. When he's, when she's got the earwig in and they're at the baseball game and he's telling her what to say. I thought all that stuff was really funny.
Jason Manzoukas
And he's being very charming, I will. Say, and I haven't been single in a while, but a very. And I'll share this hot tip for any of my single ladies, which is if there's a guy that you're waiting, you're waiting for him to text you back and you're in that moment, that time period, which is very difficult, you text him, but call him the wrong name or say something like, actually, this. Is what you curb your enthusiasm. No, no.
June Diane Raphael
This is what you do. You text him and say, sorry, not for you. I'll see you around 730, right? Is this a known right? Yeah.
Jason Manzoukas
No. I mean, yes. Okay. So. And then he will write back.
June Diane Raphael
Cause he has to. Was that for me? Yeah, it's 730. Is that for me? You say very little information.
So sorry. I thought this was someone else. Hope you're doing okay. Sorry. That was for Derek Jeter.
And it just gets them thinking, you know, they're like, what is she doing? Ugly truth there. That I was like, it has been too long since. Since you've been single. No, that shit works.
No, my friend has a phrase, and I think, this is so, so helpful. And again, I haven't been single for a long time. June and I were keeping this in my back pocket. Wow. Should I ever need it.
Paul Scheer
The last time June was single, people were t nine texting, which meant that you had to type each letter. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. But she always said, which is what? One of the ugly cheeses he shares.
June Diane Raphael
Be a lighthouse. Be a lighthouse. What does that mean? It basically means it's a great phrase.
When you are waiting for a guy to text you back or call you, you picture yourself as a lighthouse. And you're just shining your light. You're shining your light. You're shining your light. Has it worked for you to know who this friend is?
Jason Manzoukas
Because this person is giving you terrible information. Here's another bunch of married women giving out single advice. And then she says, you know, you. Need to be a lighthouse. Uh huh.
June Diane Raphael
Lighthouse. Be a lighthouse. I totally understand what that means. Like, on. You need to be a lighthouse.
Like, you don't do anything else but shine your light. And then the other thing is, once it's about 839 o'clock at night and you're still waiting for your text and you're still waiting for that. Whatever that connection. That's when things are this. That's when things are the most dangerous.
That's when you pull out a bottle of Nyquil and you. Wait, what? I knew this was coming. What's happening? And you record a chopped and screwed album.
Jason Manzoukas
What's going on here? Literally, put yourself out. Oh, I see. I see. You have to shut it off so you don't do any damage.
Thankfully. Now there are apps that do that for you. You know what? People don't use those apps. People are still out here saying nuts stuff.
June Diane Raphael
Yeah. Late night. All right, who has a question about this film that. Okay, here. Oh, you do?
Paul Scheer
Okay, great. Hi, what's your name? Kathleen. And your question? We think June will be particularly offended by this one, but what did we.
Jason Manzoukas
All think about the fact that the. Present that Jared Butler gave was already opened? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I cannot believe we didn't talk about this.
Yes, clearly used. Clearly used. I wrote it down. Too. Open and used.
June Diane Raphael
I cannot believe I didn't talk about this. What? She absolutely should get tested. Not only was it okay, so I had so many issues with that box. Because in more ways than one, it.
Also looked so old. More ways than one.
And it was open. You know, it was more ways than. One rule of threes. I'm done. If he gave it a good washing, it's probably fine, right?
Jason Manzoukas
That was wild. That it was. It was an open box of vibrating underwear that was chilling that she put on. And by the way, if she had put that on with that dress, it would have been all bunched up in. You would have seen it all bunch.
She didn't have a visible panty line at all. That thing has lots of wiring and. Memory, lots of tech. That was a movie. Imagine the technology, the vibrating technology, at a time when characters are also using cassette answering machines.
Paul Scheer
She might have been electrocuted. That's it. That's a torture device. An s and M device. Maybe it's in 50 shades of Grey.
All right, so your name. Hi, my name is Gilliam. At the beginning of the movie, when she's at the news station ish, and she's making small talk with her colleagues, why does she say that her colleague has balls the size of volkswagens? Well, there is so much inappropriate stuff said in the workplace in this movie. So much inappropriate stuff said in the workplace.
Jason Manzoukas
When she enters the job, doesn't someone walk by, walking by, say, you look hot today, or, you look beautiful today, or somebody says something that it's so crazy? Yes. And then her response is like, ugh, it's one of those days. Isn't it one of those days where. I immediately complimented upon entering the workplace.
Paul Scheer
She also says something that I thought was, again, this idea that this movie doesn't know exactly what it's trying to do when I think this is the writer, not Katharine Heigl's character, saying this, but Katherine Heigl says to Gerard Butler, she's like, oh, and your whole audience just jerks off to you. And I was like, no, I don't think that that's a pretty. I don't think that that's what's happening there. I don't think his male audience is jerking off to him talking. But it felt like she said it so intently.
That was like, yeah. And it's like. And I was like, oh. You kept on asking Paul, like, what's her journey? What is her narrative throughout the movie, and what does she learn?
June Diane Raphael
I think the movie is trying to tell us that she is having a sexual awakening. I think she hasn't masturbated. She's not in touch with her body. I think that's what we're supposed to. Supposed to believe, and that she's kind.
Jason Manzoukas
Of leaving behind her childlike ideas about the prince charming, perfect man, and is willing to enter the real world and pursue what she wants as a grown woman. Maybe that's the ugly truth. All right, I have a question over here. Hi, I'm Gary. Near the beginning of the film, her cat, d'Artagnan, presses the remote to change the channel on the television.
Paul Scheer
That seems like foreshadowing that when she has the vibrating pants, that the cat is going to make her orgasm. And does that make a better movie? Yes, if the cat was doing it, yes. If they kept cutting back to her apartment and the cat being like, boom, onto the thing, and she's like, oh. And nobody knows why it's happening but us, the audience.
Jason Manzoukas
Oh, boy, that would be funny. Cause that's pussy and pussy. All right, I got a question back here. All right, go for it. No, I hold the mic.
Paul Scheer
I hold the mic. Paul, be careful. You go either way. You shouldn't have to tell someone more than once. Oh, no, no.
I said, no, no, no. I'll hold the mic. All right, here we go. What do we got? I just wondered, in the kind of date scene that Katharine Heigl had, she talks about the height of the guy that she's on a date with.
June Diane Raphael
Kathryn Heigl is five foot eight and a half, but the person that she's on a date with is allegedly five'nine. But as we've discussed, five'five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So are we to believe in this movie that Kathryn Heigl is actually, like, six foot two?
Jason Manzoukas
I would love it if she was like, I was in the WNBA. I would love it if she dunked at one point. Yeah, that would be amazing. This is why leave this part in. I've always had such a soft spot for Kathryn Heigl.
June Diane Raphael
Cause she is a tall woman, and tall women are often not represented on film and tv. I know that's not something that everybody knows, but I'm five nine, and I'm very, very tall in the film and tv industry. So when I see another tall woman, I have to. Well, I'll say, tip my hat to her. The men in our industry also usually.
Quite short, very tiny, which is why it's hard. I said short. You said very tiny. Tiny bitch. Which slips off things.
They're barely there. You said very tiny while looking right at me. Very tiny. Chill right to my bones. And it has been very hard to work as.
As a tall woman, because a lot of the men, and I won't name any names right now. Please don't say me. Please don't say me. Please don't say me. They don't want to have, like, love scenes and have you play their love interest if you're much.
If you're taller than them. So I do appreciate that about Kathryn Heigl, that she's five'eight. I'm in the balcony. Give it up for the balcony. Let me hear you.
Paul Scheer
Balcony monster. Be careful. Oh, these glaswegian balcony monsters. All right, I'm in the balcony. Here we go.
Yes. I'm gonna lean into you if you lean towards me. Here we go. Hi, I'm Simon. Hi, Simon.
What's your question? So if this movie to be made nowadays, they would reverse the roles, and they'd have the guy as the uptight, control freak kind of inexperience, and they'd have the girl as the foul mouthed, kind of sex obsessed, crude person. So my question kind of in two parts, who would you cast in the newer version in those roles, and how would you have the restaurant scene go in that version? Wow. Now, I will say I didn't want to embarrass him, but I will say I know that he is the inventor of an electric butt plug, a remote control butt plug.
So I think he is trying to get us to talk about his brand new product. But. Well, by the way, there were movies that were made after this that were, like, supposed to be the reverse. There was a backlash against this, like, type a woman. And those are the movies that came out in, like, 2012, 2010.
June Diane Raphael
No strings attached. There was another one that were very much friends with benefits, that were like, women don't want to be tied down. They just want to fuck. Women fuck, too. There was a whole series of them.
And so they did, but they also didn't work. I mean, here's the thing, right? Like, I. And there's so many references and rom coms to, like, the elusive female orgasm. And it is a trope that, thankfully, I think, is being put to bed.
The illusive that women fake it because it's so tired and it's so sort of. It reinforces the idea that women's, like, real sexual responses are too much of a mystery for us to even believe. Well, when I was. When I was a kid, there was still the narrative inside of tv and film. That is, does the clitoris exist?
Jason Manzoukas
And if so, prove it. Yes. And that's truly wild to consider, as this is a piece of biological. And no one talks about the real problem, which is, are men faking it? Yeah, Paul, you said something earlier, which is that man is the.
Has a butt plug thing. Do you think the underwear in the movie was a butt plug? Oh, no. He was like, how would that scene play out with the rules? Reverse.
Paul Scheer
Like if you needed to shock him? I mean, I guess he could put, like some sort of robot vagina on him, but I think a butt plug scene would be funnier. Yeah, some sort of pocket pussy situation. Yeah.
Your name, sir? Your question? Hi there. My name is Chris. My question is this.
Jason Manzoukas
I'm not. I like that rhyme. I mean, come on, tell me that. I know to you that sounds normal, but, boy, that sounds great. Say it again.
Paul Scheer
My name is Chris. My question is this.
Jason Manzoukas
Just lovely. I'm not an actor, and I'm fully aware that I'm asking this to someone who has actually appeared on screen with Jane Fonda. Fantastic. So my question is this. Do you think it was Kathryn Heigl or the director that decided for every scene, she has to either be Sheldon Cooper or Zoe Dashanel?
Paul Scheer
Because she just jumps from one extreme to another. She's either completely type a or she is just horny as fuck. Good question. I mean, look, Chris, when he asks this question, he knows what he's gonna ask. Yeah, I mean, she does.
Jason Manzoukas
She. That's the problem that I have with this movie is she's always correcting. It's like, well, I don't wanna be that uptight. So then she undercuts it and then she's battling with herself. And that's what I think is confusing about this movie.
Paul Scheer
Cause even the makeover, I'm like, honestly, I don't see that much of a difference. Well, when she has the moment with, with Colin, when she has the moment finally where she's like, what is it that you like about me? And she's like, all of those things. That's not who I am. Like, I'm actually the woman that you're describing as someone you're not interested in.
Jason Manzoukas
Right. And that she's like, I've been lying to you the whole time I've been pretending to be this other person. But really, I feel like what the movie has been showing us is that she is finding a complexity of who she is leaving behind, perhaps this idea of who she is and engaging in behavior that is out of her comfort zone but is being rewarded for it. And my question is, does she not like the person that she's becoming? Is she unhappy with the choices that she's made?
Paul Scheer
I also would argue that that moment with Colin, where she goes, I'm this person we're supposed to be like, is that triumphant. You've lied to this man for six months and you're like, ha ha, fuck you, you shallow prick. It's like, he's not. He didn't do anything wrong. Agree.
Jason Manzoukas
Agree. Well, then she says that he's great and he's. Listen, I'm not worried about Colin. I can't. By the way, I can't take him on.
June Diane Raphael
There is a delegate. There's no. A deleted scene. The movie was supposed to end with them getting married. Her and Colin.
Jason Manzoukas
Her and Colin. No, no, no. Gerard Butler and Katharine Heigl get married. And at the wedding, pull out to reveal that Colin is now dating Joy. Yes.
June Diane Raphael
Oh. Oh. Her assistant, Joy.
Paul Scheer
We just got a shocking reveal here. Hold on. What's her name? My name's Mc. Wait, what?
Jason Manzoukas
On my second viewing of this film, I became deeply invested in Joy's journey. And I have now posited that the reason she can't date and the reason her breasts have not been touched in a very long time is because she is, in fact, a figment of Katharine Heigl's imagination. Cause she never has a scene with anyone except Katharine Heigl where they have any meaningful conversation. That's really good. And she's far too excited about what happens in the hot air balloons that would make this movie so much, so much more interesting if there were, in fact, imagine if essentially, Katharine Heigl's character was having a mental collapse.
Paul Scheer
I don't know how we can get top of that, but I think we can try. Here. What's her name? Oh, don't put that much pressure on me. My name is Alicia, and I would like to say first, as someone who is born in Sacramento, you are 100% correct.
Thank you. Alicia.
Jason Manzoukas
Sacktown in the house. Why are you here? I'm from Sacramento.
June Diane Raphael
My question is, is there anything in this film besides Mike's character being a terrible role model to a small child, like, three times that makes him less of a douchebag? Good question. Like, why are we supposed to like him? Oh, God. That's a really.
Jason Manzoukas
Wait, wait. This gentleman has it. That's a really tough one. This is why his love of tap water. Yes, yes, yes.
That is the. The movie turns. Katharine Heigl legitimately falls in love. When he says tap water. It's all the same, isn't it?
She's like, oh, my God, it's him. It's been him the whole time. Because we agree on tap water. To answer your question about why we want her to end up with him. Oh, I wanna be clear.
I'm not rooting for them at all. That's true. I'm not rooting for them. I'm not shipping them. I'm not on board because I don't want him to be saddled with her.
Is that mean, leave that in. No, I feel the same. I'm saying leave that in question mark. I feel the same. I want more for him.
Paul Scheer
Yes. Give it. Let him date joy. She seems like a fucking blast. Oh, yeah.
Okay, what's your question? Who has a better one? What do you think? All right, you got it right here. Hi, my name's Chrissy.
June Diane Raphael
My friend Malcolm here actually bought the DVD for us to watch, which meant we got to watch the special features. And in the special features, there's a making of short where Katherine Heigl talks about the underwear scene as her discovery of physical comedy. They had to shoot it 37 times. 37 times. They shot that scene in the restaurant with that small boy.
Jason Manzoukas
What? And she said her body hurt all over. Why 37 times? What do you mean? It makes me angrier.
June Diane Raphael
I will just say this and actually leave this part in. Leave this part in. Like, please leave the comedy to comedians. Please. Like, not everybody can do it.
And that's okay. It's fine. And also, please leave the coming to people who know how to do it. Please. Like that little boy.
Jason Manzoukas
Like that.
This movie has more. I mean, I. And I. Could you get house lights again? I'm so sorry.
Is that easy? I'd like a show of hands. How many people in this room have genuinely, prior to having a stressful, anxiety producing, nerve wracking conversation, practice what they're gonna say out loud when other people are around because both of them do it. He does it in the hotel. She does it in the cab.
She's like, oh, hello, penis face. And the guy's like, excuse me? And she's like, oh, nothing. I'm just practicing. Like, there's so much practicing of what people are gonna say that I was like, nobody does this?
Does anybody do that? You do it. I'm on the spectrum. Oh, you're on the spectrum. Okay.
June Diane Raphael
Okay. Well, no, that's a great answer. Great answer. Great answer. Fair enough.
Paul Scheer
Amazing. Can't beat that. And here's what we'll say. Obviously, we have an opinion about this movie, but now it's time for second opinion.
Jason Manzoukas
Hi, my name's Andy.
When you watch this, well, I know you're gonna call. You're gonna kill this film. A red flag piece of crap. But if you listen, there are lessons for us. All like water's just as good when taken from the tap.
Well, I would give this film five stars. And I would give it five stars more. Heigl fixes years of sexist shit by calling Jerry be a whore. It's the cat's fault. It's the cat's fault.
Was her bean flicked by a child? You'll never know. But thank God that this film God made yes, incredible. I mean, great work. There are 5344 total reviews.
Paul Scheer
Of the ugly truth, 81% are five stars two. 2% are one stars two. I've never seen it that low. These reviews buckle up people because they are wild. Cjack reviewed this on my birthday in 2019 and writes, gerard Butler does comedy brilliantly lighthearted and cathartic.
Even my second time seeing it, that's the title.
I am cutting into the second paragraph of his review by saying this. I've seen this movie. When it was released and paid to stream it tonight, I recalled it being a light comedy that tells it in many ways what men think about relationships and many of their thoughts and conclusions are due to their pain and suffering in relationships that didn't work. There are several other comedies that play this theme in a comical fashion. Hitch what women really want and someone like you, to name a few.
Sometimes movies are meant to be light and an escape and not trying to win an Oscar or go beyond being entertaining. I've paid to see this twice and I pay to see it again. This was a great cozy night at home when it's outside. Currently minus six degrees with a -24 windshield br it made for a relaxing evening. Five stars.
June Diane Raphael
Understand this. It made for the ending. It made for a relaxing evening. That's really weird. This one, our final one from Carlos Avila, our queen in 2010, writes, I hate romantic comedy.
Paul Scheer
I always thought this kind of movie was made for fools, so I avoided this gender of movies.
Jason Manzoukas
Nevertheless, that's a kind of amazing typo cause it works somehow it does. Nevertheless, when I saw the previews of this movie, I thought, cool. Gerard Butler saying things that girls do not like. I must see this movie.
Paul Scheer
Even if this movie is not a masterpiece in movie history. I really enjoy it. I had a good time here in Latin America where new generations reject so strongly the macho culture. It was so funny to me to see a couple of young ladies leave the movie theater because they started to feel sick about the funny things Gerard Butler's character says at the beginning of the movie. If you want to laugh a little, you must watch this movie.
I bet you'll really enjoy it the only romantic comedy I enjoy. Five stars now. Occasionally we do first opinions and first opinions. There's only 2%. I wanted to look there.
And this one was written in 2015. Very disappointed. Since seeing Phantom of the opera, I was enthralled with Gerard Butler.
But I wish I hadn't watched this movie because now I think less of him as an actor and a person because he accepted this role, plain and simple. It was foul. The entire movie is riddled with sexual overtones, undertones, direct references to parts of the female and male anatomies in a disgusting, disgusting and distasteful manner. A scene involving. Now, the next word they spell out, they put a space between every letter.
Masturbation.
I will never understand why Hollywood is so fascinated with, again, space between all the letters. Sex. And find every opportunity to include this subject matter and their storylines when, frankly, it's about as interesting as watching a scene with someone defecating in the toilet with all their grunts and groans. What? What?
Jason Manzoukas
Is this person, single? Asking for a friend? If you like something just a little better than soft porn, watch this movie. But if any of you feel like me and take the risk, take a shower after one star. Wow.
What's crazy is that I'm just now finding out Gerard Butler was in Phantom of the opera. Me too. Me too. I had no idea. With Emmy Ross, does he play Phantom?
Is he. Is he like, wow. Here's one thing I want to tell you to prepare for this role, Gerard Butler sat in on the Adam Carolla show for days to prepare for this character. I love it. This is Gerard Butler doing Adam Carolla.
Adam Corolla, who is essentially doing 1990s Howard Stern. And one thing I'll say here, while this film came in third in the United States, the day it came out in Great Britain, Ireland, and Scotland, the film topped the box office. That's you. This. This is your fault.
Paul Scheer
It even beat out GI Joe Rise of the cobra by making 1.9 million pounds. All right, so we would recommend this movie. Absolutely. Yeah. And I just wanna say this, like, oh, God, it's so hard because it's like, it doesn't.
June Diane Raphael
Here's what doesn't make a lick of sense. It's like, she's not a career gal. You know, you can't be a woman who's, like, just focused as they. Again, they would have us believe from romantic comedies that women were just focused on their careers and nothing else. But it's like.
But she's working in Sacramento and has no plans to leave. Doesn't want to leave her. Want to. When she. When he says, how come some New York station hasn't snapped you up?
Jason Manzoukas
She's like, I wouldn't want that. Why would I go? She is not a dreamer. She doesn't have aspirations. Here's what I'll say.
To answer your question, I absolutely say, watch this movie before the podcast, but this is a failure of a movie on every level. Except one. Except one. Except one. Yeah.
June Diane Raphael
And that's Jerry Butler. Yeah. So I will say like, I do. I did listen in the Canada movies we watch. I was so thrilled to watch this.
We're watching other movies that are coming up, and I just. By seeing them in my downloads section on my iTunes, I was so upset. How glad are you you didn't get Merlin the return? That's what I'm saying. So I was thrilled.
Paul Scheer
Rupert Grimpert. Rupert Grimpert. Rupert Grimbert. Rupert Grimper. Change his name.
Jason Manzoukas
Make him change his name to Rupert Grimper. Who are Rupert Grimper? Parts. So, yes, I loved it. I loved it.
June Diane Raphael
I enjoyed it. And I. I did enjoy him. And I will say the reason, I believe the reason we enjoyed it was exclusively because of him, because, as is the case for so many other Gerard Butler movies, Den of Thieves, Plane, Kandahar, Geostorm, these are. He is Geostor Geostorm.
Jason Manzoukas
He's putting these movies on his broad, meaty shoulders, and he's taking us along for the ride, and I'm interested. And when he's walking away and he's looking at her and you realize he's starting to fall in love with her. I am. Despite all, I'm invested and I care. Yup.
Paul Scheer
More Gerard Butler rom coms is what I say. And I will also say this. This character went on to become his character in Den of Thieves. I would love that if that was the case. I once fell in love with fucking news producer.
Now I. Now I rob banks. He breaks. No, he brings down people. You're right.
Jason Manzoukas
He's in the chef's department. All right. We've never done this before. And I think I have a new little moment of the show here. We know that you all have watched it.
Paul Scheer
Would you recommend to the audience at home that they should watch it? Wait it. Your turn. All right. Should they watch it?
Yes. Should they watch it? No. All right, there we go. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it sounds like you guys didn't like the movie.
June Diane Raphael
It also sounded like everybody responded to both. Yeah. I think the audience just is excited to have a voice so they can listen later and be like, that's me yelling, Scotland. Thank you so much for coming out on Easter Sunday. Like, we had to add more seats after we initially sold out.
Paul Scheer
We can't. We are thrilled to be here. Thank you so much. Cryogenous has risen. He is risen.
Give it up for June day. Ann Ravio, Jason Manzoukas. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Thank you.
What a great night. Good night. Eat shit, Scotland.
That's a wrap on our first ever show in Scotland. Thank you so much to everyone who came out to see us live. The staff at the o two academy and our tour manager, Beth Thomas, and our recording engineer Matt Rice. Okay, time to talk. T shirts.
We actually created two t shirts for this episode. Gerard Butler yelling fuck London and Rupert Grimpert. You can buy these shirts. I love my Rupert Grimpert shirt. It's truly the best I got as a baseball shirt.
It rolls. You can buy these shirts and every other shirt we've ever made@tpublic.com. Store HDTGM and my book is coming out in just a few days. 521 is the date, but if you pre order it and go to my website, you can log in to an exclusive vip section. All you have to do is show your proof of receipt and you'll get videos and pictures and so much stuff.
I appreciate you all supporting the book. It's been overwhelming. The reviews have really been blowing me away. I got three starred reviews in Kirkus and Library Journal and it's been awesome. And I hope you really like the book.
The audiobook is super fun, has bonuses from how did this get made? And a bunch of other stuff. I'm excited and nervous and I would love to have you see me on my book tour. If you bought your book, you can just come to one of the shows and I'll sign it. You don't need to buy a book there.
You can buy $11 ticket to go see me and the editor of the New Yorker, David Remnick in Brooklyn on 521. Or you can maybe come see me in San Francisco in Corta Madre. Madrea. Corte Madrea with Adam Savage, the original Mythbuster. It's a free show that's totally free.
And there's a bunch of sold out ones. Just go to my website, you can see what's available. And if you can't make it to any of my book tour, you can go to the virtual live signing. Jason Manzoukis will pop up in there. So will rob Huebl.
And that means that it's a virtual live signing. It's just like a regular live signing. I'm going to sign a book. You're going to get that book sent to you. You're going to get to ask questions.
And for ten lucky people, I will make personalized video messages about whatever you want. But wherever you live in the world, I'm going to get a book to you through that virtual live signing. It's just, you know, called joyfulrecollections.com dot. I believe that's where you can go there. Or just go to my website once again.
And it's cheap, it's not expensive. I've tried very hard to keep all these costs down, and I appreciate you coming out. And by the way, uh, check out me and Pally. We're going to be in Chicago together, me and Adam Pally. Uh, just shooting the shit, having fun, doing a book show.
Uh, it's going to be a blast. Just check out my website. It's all there. And how did this get made? Will be at the Nantucket film Festival on 620.
There's still a handful of seats left for our Seattle dinosaur show. It's standing room only. I'm sorry, but, uh, again, my website has it all. Uh, as always, if you have a correction or omission from this episode, leave me a voicemail at 619 p a U L A s K. Or write a comment on our discord at discord gg hdtGm.
And then make sure you tune in next week to our last looks follow up episode on the ugly truth. To hear me respond to all your messages, announce our next movie, and chat with Jason about all sorts of fun stuff. And last but not least, I got to thank our entire team, who this show couldn't be done without. I'm talking about our producers, Scott Sahni, Molly Reynolds, and our movie picking producer, Avery Halley, our engineers, Casey Holford, and our associate producer, Jess Cisneros. That's all I got, people.
We'll see you next week. Until then, bye for now.
Hello, everyone. It's Andy Richter here to tell you the exciting news that we are back with new episodes of my podcast, three questions with Andy Richter. We have got a great group of upcoming guests, including some that I've been waiting a long time to talk to, including Jake Johnson, John Lovett, Caitlin Riley, Bobby Lee, Ashley Ray, and Ted Danson. So I'm very psyched for you to hear where they're from, where they're going, and what they've learned. And it leads to some really surprising, heartfelt, and pretty funny moments.
So what are you waiting for? Go to the three questions with Andy Richter, wherever you get your podcast. Now, new episodes every Tuesday at Amica. Insurance, we know it's more than just a car or a house. It's the four wheels that get you where you're going and the four walls.
That welcome you home.
Jason Manzoukas
When you combine auto and home insurance with Amica, we'll help protect it all. And the more you cover, the more. You can save Amica. Empathy is our best policy.
Paul Scheer
Empathy is our best policy.