Matinee Monday: The 6th Day

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Tal John Shear
We saw the 6th day, so you know what that means. Now it's time for how did this convey we're gonna have a good time celebrating failure, not just being a hater. Cause, you know, you wonder, how did this remain? Let's all win the mediocrity of subpar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get made?

Hello, people of earth, and welcome to how did this get made? I am Tal John Shear, and today we are talking about the Arnold Schwarzenegger film the 6th day, which came out November 17, 2000. They used the numerical 6th in that because they felt that if they spelt out six, it would confuse people thinking it was a sequel to the 6th sense. Okay, what do you need to know if you've not seen this movie? Very simple.

Arnold Schwarzenegger runs a extreme sports company. I guess we'll get into it. And when he decides to take on a very wealthy man, things in his life start to go awry. And I'll leave it again at that because I don't want to talk about any of this movie without my two co hosts. Please welcome Jason Manzoukis and June Dayan Raphael.

June Diane Raphael
How are you both? You know, having just finished this movie, I didn't like it. I don't feel great. Oh, my gosh. I feel like it's the summer of clones.

Jason Mantzoukas
Question mark. Between replicas and this, I'm sensing a theme. I made this choice. Averill Halley, our amazing producer who picks all of our films, gave us a handful of choices for our next film. And I thought, why not go back into the tank?

Tal John Shear
Let's go back into the tank. It's like clone girl summer. Look, we're cloning last week's episode, and this is our second cloned episode. Wow. So are we willing to say that we are gonna do clone based movies all summer long?

Jason Mantzoukas
There is one more clone girl summer. There is one more that I kind of want to put next, but I won't. I will take us out of the world. You know what? I goddamn dare you.

Put it next. Now, that's not to be confused with Crone girl Summer, which is something that Jessica St. Clair is trying to get started, which I don't think anybody wants. Well, and then not to be confused with Krone's girl Summer, which is really something that is very uncomfortable for a lot of. Yeah, that's very uncomfortable.

Paul Scheer
An awareness raising campaign for those of us who suffer from Crohn's disease. Exactly.

It's funny you didn't like this movie, Jason. I'm actually surprised now. It was too long. It was 2 hours in for me. It's not that I didn't like it.

Jason Mantzoukas
It just was long and a little boring. That's it. I thought, this is classic Schwartz. I did, too. I enjoyed the hell out of it.

Paul Scheer
And it was interesting to me that he was playing this part because as I was watching it, I was like, oh, my God. If you told me, if you told me Arnold, the person, the actor, was cloned, I would say, of course he has big clone energy BCe. He's got that bce. That's he walks before the common era bce.

So there was something kind of right about him in this part. I would believe it if you told me the Arnold Schwarzenegger that we know that's a clone was a clone. Like, I would believe. But, like, hasn't he kind of done some version of this before? Not exactly, but I don't think this is the one where he definitely plays two parts.

Tal John Shear
I don't think there's another Schwarzenegger movie where he plays two parts. The nice thing about that as an actor is it's like, oh, it's not like I have to play two wildly different characters. I actually get to show up and play this other role. Same role, different jacket, both the same role. And also mock Turtleneck is the biggest.

Paul Scheer
Person as myself, so I actually have to do zero act. Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing. He's not clumping it up. No, he's not. No, no, he's not.

Jason Mantzoukas
He really is. He's playing two versions of the same exact character. The only difference is their outfits and a shaving scar. A shaving cut, which is then spoilers for the movie, is proven to be faked. I was very interested in that shaving cut because it was, it definitely pulled your attention at a certain point.

Tal John Shear
Like, why didn't they just fix that? Like, why? Like, it is an, it's an odd thing for a giant movie star in a big movie to have, like, a small shaving cut. Like, it, it was distracting to me. You know, I was like, oh, it made me uneasy, I think.

But then it did play into the whole movie. So you know what? You got me. Well, it establishes another thing, which I am kind of obsessed with, which is in movies in which Arnold Schwarzenegger is meant to be an ordinary guy. Oh, yeah.

Jason Mantzoukas
A normal small business owner, helicopter pilot dude, just a stream sports, a guy who happens to know how to snap people's necks, shoot a gun. Well, like, do a lot of stuff. He does not know how to do that. I would argue. I'd argue that he snaps Wiley's neck like, he snaps a bunch of necks.

Tal John Shear
But I agree. He's a straight up neck snapper. Oh, I mean, this guy is breaking necks and taking names, but I mean, I think that you're supposed to believe that he's never been in a situation like this before. It's not like, oh, and also, he was an ex military man, and that's why he knows. It's like he goes from normal Joe to military jacket.

Jason Mantzoukas
He does. And I guess there was, he is some sort of. He has a war wound that Tony Goldwyn at one point says, you know, we also replicated your war scar or whatever. So I guess theoretically he was in some sort of war that we are just not privy to the information. I mean, this movie does take place, as they say, sooner than you think.

Most movies will give you the year. Sooner than you think. Most movies will give you a year. This says sooner than you think. And we know it's the future because, or I guess I should say we know this is the failed feature because this is a movie that comes out in 2000, probably at the height of the XFL.

Tal John Shear
And they went all, again, they went all in. The opening sequence of this movie is fully XFL football, which is real. If you didn't know about XFL. Oh, yeah, XFL. It was like a.

Jason Mantzoukas
What is that? Yes. It was like a door. I thought that was just like. They didn't have the rights to say NFL.

No, it was like an actual. Paul, you probably know better than me. It was like an actual league that was started. And it's back. It was founded by Vince McMahon.

Tal John Shear
It has come back. It's basically Vince. Yeah, Vince McMahon. It was a joint between the WWF and NBC where they basically decided, hey, let's make football a little bit scarier. Let's do it in a different time.

It was running during late winter and early spring because it was like, hey, you want more football? Here you go. It featured various modifications to increase its intensity as well as on air innovations such as sky cams. And they also did, I think, you could hear in the huddle. So you would have like microphones on players in game interviews.

So things that actually they do now in all sports. Wait, so what? But were they modifying like the actual sport of football? Like, was it more. It wasn't.

Jason Mantzoukas
Wasn't there? Yeah. Wasn't it supposed to be like fewer rules or wasn't it supposed to be like a harder edgier. An edgier game or a faster game or something? It was a smaller team.

Tal John Shear
That was one of the big things. Cause it was all in these like smaller indoor stadiums. Right? Like the, here's like, I'll tell you the, these are the big different. This is now officially an XFL sportscast.

Jason Mantzoukas
We're just doing. We're just doing that. I can't believe this is real. After eleven years of. How did this get made?

We're switching to an XFL based sports. It was a really easy transition, really. It was very like the other thing, here's the thing. We have so much to discover. None of us know much of anything and we're about to learn a lot.

Let's go. Oh yeah. I mean. So here we go. First thing, the big thing.

Devin, could you drop in a whistle here for? To start the game.

Tal John Shear
Players cannot move forward until the ball is caught by the returner that is on the kickoff. Similarly, on punts, the punting team cannot release past the line of scrimmage until the ball is kicked. Which made it so you would encourage returns on kickoffs and punts. The other big thing about this was they would not do field goals for extra points. Instead it had a three tiered point system.

So it was one point, you run a play from the second yard line, two points if you run a play from the five yard line, three points if you run a play from the ten yard line no kicking points were allowed. And then over time no kicking points were allowed. That seems like a real like anti soccer bias. Yeah, it's like, you know what? You can't score any points with your feet.

And then the way they did. Overtime was. Overtime shall consist of five rounds staged in alternating single play possessions. Like an NHL shootout. A round would consist of one offensive play per team.

Each possession starts at the opponent's five yard line and the offensive team has one play to score. The team with the most points after five rounds was the winner. Kind of sounds fun. That's interesting. I mean, yeah, it just sounds faster and it sounds like the, the games probably have higher scores or something like that.

25 2nd play clock. They're always racking points, a double forward pass and after the two minute warning they allowed teams to come back. So basically it was just like. They basically just wanted. And you can suplex anybody that you want.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yes, that was fully approved. Yeah, you could definitely slam a chair over an offensive player's head. Every game is a steel cage game. But yeah, I mean, I love a movie that, where the studio and everyone's like, okay, yeah, we know this is the future and we're going to make this so it will. Like when people watch this in 20 years, they're gonna be like, oh wow, this feels current and topical.

Tal John Shear
But the XFL stadium and that opening scene is wild because a character that we really don't ever see again is Johnny Phoenix. Johnny Phoenix is just, you know, basically he's paralyzed in the opening. I mean, essentially not. I mean he dies in the ambulance. But like, well, I mean, he dies because they, they force him to die like they go, well, you know what?

Because they don't want to pay him out. I mean, that really is the, I. Think that their idea is basically rather than treat his broken spine, they would rather just in 2 hours, they can have a new clone of him up and running. Right, right. And they don't want to pay somebody who is recouping in hospital.

They would rather clone a new version of him and have him play next week. That's one of the first things that is that you get. That's one of the first hints that something's awry. You watch the cold open of the movie is. And I thought that it was effective.

Jason Mantzoukas
Like, you see the game and the game is they shot the shit out of the XFL game. I'm assuming the stadium was already set up for it. So it really, it looks good. And then they clobber him. Then Michael Rooker, Yondu from the Guardians of the Galaxy movies comes in who is just one of the great character actors of all time.

Tal John Shear
Absolutely. And he gets in the car. He's obviously, if Michael Rooker or Sean Bean are in the movie, they are the bad guy. They're so good. They're the best.

Jason Mantzoukas
And Tony Goldman, for that matter. Tony Goldwyn, he's always great. He's incredible here. Again, he's so good. Here.

He's so good in ghost, he's so good. Tony Goldman, he's so good in ghost. He's so good at playing that charming, smarmy bad guy. You know, like the, and Michael Rooker is the best. Like the muscle, the bad guy.

The true, by the way. And we also have the first on screen performance by Terry Crews as the muscle in this movie, which was also great to see. I love. And it was, you know, it was before Terry Crews had kind of found like the Terry crews that we know and love. So he is just, he's very intimidating.

Tal John Shear
But like, it's not like, it's not a, it's. He is more likeability. Yes. You know, I mean, the Terry crews that we know from Brooklyn nine nine or from like recent Terry Crews has like a real like, affability to him. And this, this performance is menacing.

Jason Mantzoukas
Like he is one of the bad guys. He is one of the cabal of kind of villainous people who are the killers, you know, hits him. Sarah Winter. Yeah. Okay.

Paul Scheer
That, that wig stuff made me laugh, though, because when there's one bad guy who's a bad gal, played by this actress, she's very beautiful and she gets cloned. So she's wearing this bright blue wig or colorful wig when we first meet her and is dressed, like, really futuristic. But when she gets cloned, their bodies come out sort of, like, from. It looks like they're coming directly from the embryo sac and filled with embryonic fluid and skin that's extra skin that hasn't come off. So when she comes out, she has a head of hair on her, like, her real hair.

Jason Mantzoukas
We've already seen her in her chopped bomb. Right. But when she comes out of the tank. Yes. Yeah.

Paul Scheer
And she says, like, ugh. Like, she's pissed that this has happened again. And she says, like, I can't believe I'm gonna have to go get my hair done again. Do you know how expensive that hair treatment is? And I'm like, well, so she's going to the.

She's going to her hairstylist every, like, what, four times? She's four times. Right. With her normal head of. Yes.

Jason Mantzoukas
And that person has to recreate. So that person must be faced with utter confusion. Like, how has that person must be like, am I okay? Like, what? You have to assume that she's going to different hair places you see no.

Tal John Shear
Eyes so as to not raise anything. What I think is happening, and based on how this movie plays out, I think she's going back to the hairstylist, having her fix her hair, shooting her, and then re cloning her back to before she went in to get her haircut. You think she spent. She's using the tech to clone her. Hairdresser so the hairdresser doesn't realize that she's been doing this new haircut because that's the kind of cloning that's going on, by the way, does seem Willy nilly.

Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, well, when you talk, Tony Goldman says you can do it in 2 hours. I was like, wait, what? I mean, there is a moment they gloss over the cloning so quickly that they actually drop it in the background in a commercial. It all begins with the growing of blanks, animal drones stripped of all characteristic DNA in embryonic tanks at the repet factory. In stage two, your pet's DNA is extracted from a lock of of fur or a drop of blood and then infused on a cellular level into the blank.

In the final stage, using repet's patented cerebral syncording process, all of your pet's thoughts, memories, and instincts are painlessly transplanted via the optic nerve. Like, that's the biggest explanation we get of cloning in, like, the pet store scene, which is off to the side, but they're cloning full people. And my question to you, June, you brought it up, was, when they come out of that sack, they rub, like, gunk on them. They rub embryonic fluid on them. I think they're rubbing it off of them, aren't they?

Tal John Shear
Oh, I thought they were rubbing it on to make their skin more silky smooth. I didn't know. Okay. They're just scooping it off. You're rubbing it to make their skin more silky smooth.

Yeah. I thought they were almost, like, putting a set of skin. So you think the goal of the clones is to have softer skin? I think it's like, hey, look, you've been hanging around in this bag. I'm coming out of this sack all calloused and with workman's hands, you know, what is it?

Jason Mantzoukas
Smooth, baby. It's like, you know, you just got cloned. Let's just, like, massage your muscles. Like, it's like tenderizing meat. Because the truth is, too, these bodies.

These clones are to be eaten well. I mean, tenderizing meat well, it's like. It's like a meat locker. Like, they're just hanging there, like these half bodies with no faces. I mean, when we get to the melted man at the end, I have a lot to say, but, holy cow, they're just like these.

Tal John Shear
They're half grown. I mean, from what we saw last week on the show in replicas, how they kind of fully grown. Here they are, like, let's just get it already. It's like, they basically get the body at 75, and then you drop in the last 25%. Yeah, that's true.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah. And there is something, like, in these movies that I think the filmmakers think will love to. Like, the audience is gonna love to see. And actually, I think I do love to see it. There's something interesting about seeing the birth of these clones on just sort of slabs of concrete where you're seeing these adult humans, human bodies in, like, fetal positions, and it's just so.

Paul Scheer
It's just so shocking, you know, to see, like, Tony Goldwyn when he. Spoiler alert, he gets cloned at the end, but he doesn't get fully baked, right. They didn't. They cut open his sack before he was ready, like. Yeah.

Jason Mantzoukas
So he looked. See these adult bodies, like, cooking up. It's just so. It's so unsettling. It's so unsettling to see, like, the raw materials that we understand to be embryonic stages of birth mapped onto, like, full sized human beings.

You know, it's very strange to see all the things that we understand are natural for the birth of a child to have what's produced be these adults. Over and over and over again, we watch adults be cloned, which is very bizarre and unsettling, whether or not their skin is silky smooth enough for my. Liking, because when Sarah Winter came out, by the way, I gotta say, when Sarah Winter came out, I thought to myself, she looks good. And she was all mad that she didn't look good. I thought she came out of this cloning process.

Tal John Shear
I feel like she looked like. I was like, you know what? Maybe a little bit less on the makeup there, because I feel like her natural look, her freshly cloned look, was really nice. Do you want me to leave you alone with silky smooth Sarah Winter look? Now, we can all agree that there were some uncomfortable moments in watching these bodies pop out, but was it more uncomfortable than watching Arnold Schwarzenegger act naturally?

Like, when he is acting like a normal guy and smiling and joking like a dad? Yeah, he's acting like a dad with his daughter, who is so weird when he's like, yeah, you're absolutely right. There is all of the, I would say all of the family elements and the small business owner elements of this story are absolutely bizarre. Was that all, like, this sort of. I was wondering, actually, I was like, now, in the script, were they were.

Paul Scheer
Did the screenwriter originally intend for Arnold and his wife to have this, like, super horny relationship where they're constantly trying to fuck in various places, or is that Arnold? Well, I'll tell you what Arnold being like, I don't know, another way to relate to. Well, I mean, the language that tips it for me is when they basically have the dialogue that says cigars make you horny. Yes. And he's such a cigar guy that I'm like, this is Arnold 100%.

Jason Mantzoukas
Can I just understand, like, this cigar is, like, a natural aphrodisiac, you know? You know, he's, like, trying to get his weird stuff in there. When he puts that cigar in her mouth and she takes a puff of that cigar, it's like. And that's what you want to kiss? You want to kiss that mouth full of, like, masticated tobacco.

Tal John Shear
Like that, like, whatever that is. That's not like, I don't want to get into that making out right after that. Like, oh, yeah, kiss me with your big old, like, mouth. A cigar smoke. Oh, yeah.

Jason Mantzoukas
It really is like, this kind of, like, he really just is a totem of masculinity. Of perceived masculinity. And, like, the cigar chomping helicopter pilot kind of. And it's not enough. There has to be, like, two of them.

Paul Scheer
You know, that's what I actually found interesting, though, Jason. Cause I agree with you that. But at the same time, for a long time, he hates his cloned self, and he's, like, disgusted by his clone self, which was interesting to me that he was a self hating clone and that seeing himself with his wife and, you know, and being in the world brought up so much anger for him. But he didn't know he was a clone. Jin.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah. All that time, he thought he was looking at a clone who he was treating as the other man kind of thing. He thought he was the original whose life had been. We're fall. Wait a minute.

Tal John Shear
Okay, wow. Hold on now. Okay, okay. No, I agree with you, but even so, you don't have to agree with that. Like, whoever's consciousness was in there, whether he came later or earlier.

Wait, hold on. Why are you saying it like it's up for debate? This is factual. Whoever's consciousness is in there, it's our. No, it was very hard.

Paul Scheer
It was sort of like when you're in New York City or. And someone's on the street doing that, like, three card Monty, where you have to follow the card. Like, for me, it was very hard to figure out at certain times who was real Arnold and who is clone Arnold. Oh, now this is interesting. I got a little lost.

Jason Mantzoukas
Okay, so. But even if he's, as you say, he's the clone looking at his real self, like, why is that clone's consciousness upset with himself? Like, why is he automatically so disgusted by himself? Because he's. He's like, he's on the outside of his life and is perceiving who he thinks is the clone as having sex with his wife, as having replaced him in his family.

Paul Scheer
I understand that, you guys. I understand he also seemed to be irritated by who he was. Oh, I see what you're saying. He didn't like himself self distasteful. I see the circumstance.

Jason Mantzoukas
I see what you're saying. I think you find the circumstance distasteful and upsetting. I don't think he was all the time. Like they had about. Yes, they had this sort of, like, they were ribbing each other.

Paul Scheer
Like they were. He was. Yeah. Who's the better pilot? Who's the better shot?

Jason Mantzoukas
Yes. Oh, yeah. Like, he does. That is an odd thing. And this is why I don't understand the clone aspects of this movie, because they are the same, but yet he's like, oh, I knew you wouldn't do it the right way, or I knew I'm a better pilot than you.

Tal John Shear
There shouldn't be any deviation. It's not like it's a clone. You should be. I don't think there is. I think.

Jason Mantzoukas
I think they are exactly the same. I think they're just kind of playing into the emotionality of trying to get you to side with the Arnold that we are following for most of the movie who we think is Arnold pry. And we reveal in the third act that he, the Arnold that we have been following, he is the clone. The main character we've been following that we thought was the prime is actually the clone. And that's kind of the big spoiler of the movie.

Tal John Shear
I mean, and at that point, you're so invested in the clones and Adam's journey. Adam, of course, Adam and Eve is the first. Well, he's not even the first man clone, so I guess Adam and Eve doesn't even work. But in the deleted scenes, there is a scene where the clone Schwarzenegger and the regular Schwarzenegger do look at each other's dicks, and then they go, no, mine's bigger and mine's bigger. And then they go on.

It's a ten minute long scene. I can see why it was cut out of the movie. The audience don't know. I would not be surprised. I honestly would not be surprised.

By the way, I would not be surprised if there was a joke that they cut out of Schwarzenegger going on, oh, yeah, you can't kiss as good as me. Kiss me. I love how obsessed he was with the minivan. I saw. It's in the minivan, by the way.

Jason Mantzoukas
Minivan equals sex. Yeah. And like, both arnolds know it. By the way, I've been preaching about the minivan for a long time, and I'm happy that two movies in a row both involve clones and both involve minivans. This, do you not understand that this is basically suggesting a world in which you are going to try and clone June and your children in your minivan?

Tal John Shear
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Tal John Shear
So what did he do? Because this is the other thing I had a question about, too. Cause the movie does do some, actually, I think, very cool future things. Like, I like the way the helicopters look, and I like some of the technology. Like, I felt like they did a.

They walked an interesting line of keeping it very current, but not like that middle ground. Futuristic, I guess. But what was his job? His job was taking these people. It looked like they were leaving from very far away to go very far into the mountains to go skiing.

He ran like, an extreme sports. Yeah, he's got a helicopter company which transports people, in the case of this movie, transports people, I think, from Los Angeles to the mountains to go hella skiing. They drop people off at, like, a base camp, and they go snowboarding or skiing or whatever. And they. That's the service.

Jason Mantzoukas
And in the shop, they also, it looked like, had, like, water gear or other extreme sports things. I guess my thought was, they're dropping them off at the very top of this mountain. Like, what's the return route? It seemed like these people were, like, leaving their stuff there. It's like when you rent skis for the day, you put your shoes in a cabinet.

Tal John Shear
You get the ski boots. It seemed like they flew so far away that, like, wouldn't you just go like, all right, now we're going to go down to the bottom of the mountain and then wait for you. Or, like, how long? That's a good question. Like, how long are those runs?

Jason Mantzoukas
And then, like, how do the people get back? Do the people at the bottom of the mountain just get on a bus and the bus brings them back? Because, I mean, they're flying through canyons. It wasn't like, oh, we just flew for. I mean, it seemed like that was quite a journey.

Those helicopters also transform into some, like, sort of jet or something. So I think. I think they're suggesting that they could fly very quickly to, like, the rockies or something like that. That's what I was saying. They left them in a different state.

Tal John Shear
And those people, I think so, yeah. And those people seem like it wasn't like, okAy, put your bags on here. You're GONna have a great trip. It was like. It was just.

I also feel like if you're GOnna bring two helicopters there, all the fuel that you're spending, like, why not just meet them at the bottom? There's a lot of questions I had. There and a lot. You have a lot of questions about the business. I want to see where they're making money.

Jason Mantzoukas
I'd love for Marcus Lemonis to get involved with this business. Well, because it feels like if you're a helicopter charter company, then you should just be, like, you could be transporting anyone to anywhere, right? Like, we might need a helicopter to go to Vegas, or. I actually have no idea if they can fly that far, but you could take people everywhere. But it seemed Like his sort of.

Paul Scheer
His core competency was taking extreme sports people to, which is just. It's such a narrow. It's a niche business. You know, it's really a niche business. For a waterfront business.

Tal John Shear
A waterfront business in the city that's high real estate that you have to have this landing pad. Like, it seemed like he owned all of that, and yet he lived a pretty simple life. That house was very, you know, very point. Like, what I could understand is, like, why did he need the remote arm that was used to pilot dangerous terrain? I didn't understand that either.

Jason Mantzoukas
Like, I mean, obviously, it's so that we can have it in the third act when we want there to be, like, a helicopter flying with nobody in it. But, yes, what use would he, in normal business, have for a remotely flyable helicopter? So that what, you can just autopilot more snowboarders from your desk or something? I don't know. That's what I thought.

Tal John Shear
But it seemed like they needed to be kind of in range, like an electric car. There's a couple questions there. There's also auto driving, full automatic driving, Tesla style. Like, what we currently are on the verge of. His friend and business partner is Michael Rapoport.

Jason Mantzoukas
That's right. And they. They are pilots together in this business. And. Sorry.

He drives the autonomous truck. And so we see that. And I was like, in the year 2000, I was like, oh, wow, this really looks like what driving is going to be very soon. Like, this looks like. Maybe not, though, Jason, because, you know, the research they've done about that.

Paul Scheer
Like, people are very. Most people are very hesitant to sit in self operating cars, even though it would reduce the number of accidents. I heard a great. Yes, incredibly, it would. It would.

Jason Mantzoukas
The number of deaths per year in car accidents would plummet if autonomous driving was. Was implemented. I heard a great podcast that compared the same societal fears to elevators, that people, when elevators were introduced, were like, no way. There's no way I will get on an elevator. Absolutely not.

And so it really was this impediment to building bigger buildings because people didn't trust the elevator. And part of the reason that there were elevator operators was that people, a lot of times those elevator operators didn't even do anything but do something. That was for optics, so that people would trust that there was a human in charge of the elevator. But that wasn't necessary. It was psychological for the people who.

Paul Scheer
Were using the elevator, especially with distracted driving and people texting while driving, which I really is so upsetting to me. I hope we can get behind it sooner rather than later. All right, I know we spent a lot of time here in the beginning of the movie, but I want to spend one more minute here to go. The man leaves his house and seemingly gets to work and gets a phone call from his wife saying, dog's dead. Okay, so I have a question about this.

Jason Mantzoukas
Is the dead dog just a complete coincidence the dog died of a very strange illness on the same day that Arnold is cloned? I mean, the dog, instantly, the dog. I mean, we saw the dog in the movie poisoned. I'm genuinely curious, like, why. Why is this story element in the movie?

Paul Scheer
Because they need to explain cloning, repet. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. I've never put down a dog, but my understanding is that sometimes something's going on with the dog, and you take them to the vet, and they're like, we're gonna put down, humanely the dog as soon as possible. Right? Sure.

So I just figured, like, they got some bad news and he had to. Go, but, yeah, but the difference of that would have been, like, it should have been. They wake up, it's his birthday. He feels really good. He's laughing.

Tal John Shear
He's scaring children. He looks intimidating to his wife and family. And then they go, oh, no, what's wrong with Baxter? You know, he's. He looks sick.

Jason Mantzoukas
That's good. Oh, I'll take him to the vet. I'll take him to the vet. And then when he gets there, she's like, I did take him to the vet. We gotta put him down.

Tal John Shear
But she seemingly is at work, and she's like, oh, hey, dog died. Like, it wasn't like, oh, and what was it? What do you mean? We saw him this morning. He was fine.

Jason Mantzoukas
Oh. And it was a mystery virus. Oh, he was licking the Clara's. Oh, it's fine. They told me, I was like, this has got to be a fake out of some sort.

And it wasn't. She wasn't even delayed getting to work to be that callous. It'd be like, oh, fuck, the dog died. Okay, well, I'll take care of it later. I'm gonna go to work.

Tal John Shear
Honey, you go to school. We'll deal with it. There was no. And this is a family that doesn't re clone their pets. And we understand that this is the only thing that they let you do in this world because they have these six day laws that they don't allow you to clone people.

Paul Scheer
Let me say something right now, Paul. Obviously, I'm a new dog owner. This is the first dog I've ever, I've ever had the privilege of taking care of. I would reclone him. Oh, I would reclone him, too.

Tal John Shear
I didn't think that was a very bizarre thing. Like, I thought Schwarzenegger's hesitation was. I mean, people do that. That currently is done. What?

Well, but no. Yes. No, Jason. Yes. Vanderpump reclones.

Jason Mantzoukas
I'm almost positive that is. Yeah, like, definitely done. I think it's. I don't think it's. Oh, Barbra Streisand, not Vanderpump.

Tal John Shear
Barbra Streisand did it. Okay. I think that's right. Yes. That sounds right.

Jason Mantzoukas
I think it's. I don't think it's, like, easy to do or anything like that. But I think $50,000. She did it. Yeah.

I think it is doable. Wow. That being said, if I could bring turkey, the dog, back to life via a clone, I don't think I would. I think I'd just go and get another dog. There's another dog out there that needs me.

Paul Scheer
You know what? I don't need to, like, I don't. Need to create some sort of clone of turkey that will eventually turn evil and try and kill me. That's just gotta happen, right? You know what, Jason?

You're right. There are so many dogs that are currently living that need homes. Yeah. Yep. That's a good idea.

Tal John Shear
I mean, here's the thing that is odd about the cloning of the dog. Like, you were freaking out the dog. It was all to make, like, dogs disposables. Like, hey, they're gonna know where their bones are buried. They're gonna get the whole.

It was sort of like this idea that the dog's memories were intact. I mean, that's the one thing that we. That I don't think that cloning is actually done. Like, I think you can actually clone the DNA of an animal, but you couldn't just, like, have all their memories in there as well. I think that's why animals are easier to clone.

It's not like. Yes, I think that's true. You're not. You're cloning the biological form. You're not cloning like the dog, I don't believe will have.

Jason Mantzoukas
Have memories or any of that kind. Think about all the science that you would have to do to be, like, mapping a dog's brain to have that much like that seems really complex. Here's the thing that the movie. Cause the movie is really going to great lengths to, over and over again, give you examples of cloning. Examples of it working, it not working.

I'd like to take this moment now to talk about the Sim pal doll. I know. I knew it was comfortable. Cindy. Oh, my God.

Tal John Shear
Yes. So they do. There's another step to help explain this, which is like a kind of animatronic, my buddy style life size doll. You had one or you wanted one? Paul?

Jason Mantzoukas
I can't remember, by the way. I mean, I told you one of the saddest things. Well, I would have wanted one. At one point, I had to write an essay for school, and the essay was like, you know, what's one thing that you would want? Like a Christmas list kind of a thing.

Tal John Shear
And I said I wanted a robot so I could hang out with and I could talk to and have, like a. Like a. Basically a friend, like a robotic friend. And then when I saw Cindy, I. Was like.

I lived in an area. There were no kids around. They couldn't leave my. Like, I left my house, and there was no kids for miles. Paul, Paul, you have so many good, sad stories.

Jason Mantzoukas
I'm now going, that one makes me think of one from my childhood, which I have only access. I can only access because it has been told to me, because I have no memories that we lived before. We lived in the town that I eventually grew up in. I lived in a different town. And when we moved into our house, I went outside in the front yard for a while, and my mom watched me, and I was wearing, like, a cowboy hat and, like, a holster with cap guns and, like, a little cowboy outfit.

And I was, like, hanging out. And I came in after a while, and my mom said, how did it go? And I said, well, there's nobody around. I even shot my gun and nobody heard it and came.

Nobody heard my shots and came to see what was going on. There's some time. There are moments where you are lonely childhood. Lonely childhood. Lonely childhood.

Dude, create podcast. I would say that I had a lovely childhood filled with friends and neighbors on the block and my two sisters. And so you don't get Cindy. I didn't get Cindy. I always had kids to play with.

Paul Scheer
Now she looked like I was confused about her because she looks like a burn victim. Yes, I wrote that down. And to your point, Paul, about, like, the skin and cloning, I guess, is a form of exfoliation. Another step in here. Well, I don't think that they may have skincare routine.

Tal John Shear
Yeah, sure. But what was her story? Because I didn't know why she had to look like she had skin. Why? And also, why do we need a, like, why do we need this thing?

Jason Mantzoukas
To help us understand that we are able to do this. We can't clone actual people. Spoiler alert. We can, but we can do this thing. We have this available, and we can clone your pets.

So, yeah, it seems redundant. Like, it doesn't seem like a necessary tool in the movie to have the doll. The SEM pal plays no part in this movie whatsoever because the sempal just seemed like a robotic, futuristic toy. Like, it didn't seem like. Oh, and also Michael Rapoport, like holographic or VR girlfriend?

There's a couple of different. Was she AI or versus VR? Because she unzips his pants just like the ghost and Ghostbusters. I think the chair does that. Oh, interesting.

I think the chair does that. She is a computer like hologram something. She is sports. Sports. She doesn't have physicality.

I think he has to be sitting in the chair for the physical stuff to work. Guys, I just want to show you something really quickly if you are interested. And I've looked, the chair is not for sale. Oh, okay. If you are interested, I would love to just show you very quickly.

Tal John Shear
If you'd like to purchase Cindy, you can. This is. No, no, no. That is. Oh, Paul.

No, that is $475. This is the, the hero. And here's another version of it. These are the actual ones. I don't want to see this at all.

Jason Mantzoukas
This is like, this is like the Annabelle movie. Yeah, this is, I think just having. Seen this is gonna curse us for only $475. You can get. You can get your own Cindy with small teeth and everything.

Small teeth and everything. I mean, that was in the write up. Look at that. Look at that. Oh, this is been through it.

Haunting. Oh, my God, this looks like a movie. This looks like a horror movie doll. I know. And even in.

Even when. Oh, yeah. Here's a scene from. Here's a still from the movie that Paul is now showing us. That is terrifying.

Well, here's. Okay, can I. This is my pitch for the movie. It's about the future. Why not have a real girl on the counter and, like, make it look like a doll?

Yes, a little bit like a doll. This was like a very. This is like a very weird american girl doll. There is nothing of. It is.

I think at the time, this seemed incredible. This seemed super high tech at the time. Okay. Like a moving, talking, like, articulated doll. No, like 21 years ago.

Paul Scheer
No, I mean, she was so sort of. She just looked a mess. I mean. Oh, I agree. I mean.

Tal John Shear
But by the way, if you're trying to say, like, we're in a world of cloning and all this stuff, but our doll technology has failed. Like, that's what I was getting from it. Our doll technology has not exceeded our human experimentation. And I feel like. I don't know.

I mean, this is so upsetting. I want to play a clip of Cindy. We're falling. I will say the United States is falling so far behind in doll technology that we are. We are in danger of losing the.

Doll through the polls and vote. We need to get in people who are going to push forward great doll legislation. Here's clip of Cindy and her unnervingness. If you get this message. Let's head home, friends.

Paul Scheer
What's your name? Just. Can you see that I'm talking quiet? Head home to my house with a bunch of flowers and a good excuse. Otherwise Natalie's gonna kill you.

I can sing songs. Would you like to sing with me? Excuse me, do you know how to turn this thing on? My niece has one. Say, go to sleep, Cindy.

I can sing. Cindy. Go to sleep, Cindy. Would you like to sing with me? Go to sleep.

Tal John Shear
All right, so Cindy is weird, and I have a question. As I just watched that with the cab driver. Cause Arnold. And that is in a retro cab, which I guess people do. But does that mean the first cab driver was complicit in the cloning?

Jason Mantzoukas
Does that mean. Cause the first cab driver. They must be saying. Cause he was a. No, I don't think so.

I think they just brought him, threw him in a cab and said, take him to the Woodland mall. Okay, so, I mean, can somebody also, while we're here, just explain exactly what happened? Cause. All right, so basically, Michael Rapaport, who we haven't even checked in with truly. Also, Robert Duvall is in this movie.

We haven't even spoken. Terrific. He really did a great job. I mean, literally, like Goldwyn Duvall. Like, everybody's like doing great, for sure.

The woman who's, the woman who played Duvall's wife, Catherine, she was fantastic. That was a very heartbreaking. That scene in the hospital was terrific. I know. And that's the weirdest thing about this movie, is that that's why I kind of enjoyed it, because you get these performances.

Paul Scheer
That scene broke my heart. It was great. Oh, my God. Who's that actor? It was great.

I've seen her in other things and she's great. I couldn't please. But I thought that I especially. So there are scenes like that where it really helps ground the movie's truly kind of preposterous. Other stuff.

Jason Mantzoukas
Arnold. Arnold's, how unnatural Arnold is in the world. All this stuff. I was gonna say that actress is. Her name is Wanda Canyon, and she was most noted for her performance in the 1993 film for the moment.

Tal John Shear
And she also was on my secret identity. Cool. So, yeah, there you go. That scene, the dynamic between her and Duvall is terrific. And this idea that she has been cloned and is aware of it and she wants to die because she says, these memories, they're not mine, they're hers.

Jason Mantzoukas
That was a haunting. It was a haunting scene to have her speak to the fact that she felt like a disconnect between her memories and her body. Your mind and your body. The mind body connection. Really interesting.

Tal John Shear
I mean, that's, there was stuff in. There that I was like, this is an interesting, these are interesting ideas. I would have loved a side plot of that movie. I mean, that's a fact. I mean, it's very much like Tarkovsky's Solaris, which we talked about on unspooled during our space miniseries.

Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, boy. All right, we're talking about clones here on this podcast. I just was going on a deep dive into Tarkovsky's Solaris. No big deal.

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Paul Scheer
It's all just so, it's just all so messy and ultimately doesn't amount to much. Like, I couldn't. I never really got at why they were embedding the DNA with these diseases, so that their shelf life for control, right? Yes, I can explain that, please. It's ultimately not as interesting as it maybe could have been.

Jason Mantzoukas
So Tony Goldwyn is essentially putting flaws into the clones so that he can have control over them. So if Johnny Phoenix. Johnny Phoenix has got, I can't remember, liver cancer or something. And so the shelf life is like one to five years for these clones so that he can basically say, I can just shut you down and create a new clone. I don't need you.

So Johnny football player guy, I can't remember his name. Phoenix. If Johnny Phoenix wants to renegotiate his contract, I don't have to do that with him. I can just kill him, clone him again. Like, he's going to die.

Tal John Shear
Why do you need to put the disease there? Just kill him? Yeah, he could just kill him. No, I think he's doing it because it's a threat to them. You know, like he's got like some leverage over them.

Like it's saying if you don't play ball, you're going to die in five years. And if you do play ball, you're going to die in five years. And if you really don't play ball, I'm gonna kill you. Oh, no, but you're gonna die in five years. But I'm gonna bring you back.

Jason Mantzoukas
If you don't play ball, you're gonna die in five years and I'm not gonna bring you back. Well, I mean, he does. He doesn't realize you either are immortal or you are eye control. Whether you come back or not, you're gonna die regardless. Got it?

Tal John Shear
All right. He does kind of explain his big plan at the end. In two years, three tops, I will. Control enough votes to get the laws changed. And then we won't have to lose our best people.

We won't have to lose our mozarts. We won't have to lose our Martin Luther Kings. We will finally be able to conquer death. And who gets to decide who lives and who dies? You?

You have a better idea? Yeah. What about God? Oh, you're one of those. I suppose you think science is inherently evil.

No, I don't. Think science is inherently evil, but I think you are. If you believe that God created man in his own image, then you also believe that God gave man the power to understand evolution, to exploit science, to manipulate the genetic code, to do exactly what I'm doing. I'm just taking over where God left off. If you really believe that, then you should clone yourself.

Are you still alive? And why is that? So I can understand your unique perspective? No. So you can go fuck yourself.

Jason Mantzoukas
There it is. I mean, that's the. The plan, is that he controls the cool people who come back. I mean, like, he's the arbiter of what people deserve to live and die. Like, I mean, he is God.

I think he's just. Yeah, I think. Yeah, it's a total God complex. I think he's. He's basically, at a certain point, offers Arnold immortality.

You know, he's saying, you can live forever, and as long as you don't piss me off. Yeah, as long as you don't piss me off. Otherwise, I can just keep rebooting you and erase the bad stuff and give you the life you want. I can give it to you forever. You can live forever.

And that's. And then, you know, there's also. You take that. No, no. I think the concept of death is what makes life worth living.

Tal John Shear
Wow. June.

Paul Scheer
Pass. I'm sorry. Not the concept of death. The guarantee of death. Whoa, really?

Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I agree with that. But I'm signing up. Yeah, I'm also like.

Paul Scheer
I'd like to know a little bit more. I'd like to read the fine print. You want to get the brochure from Tony Goldman? Yeah, I'd like to. Look, listen, I wouldn't mind more years.

Jason Mantzoukas
I wouldn't mind more years, but I'm not sure about immortality. I don't know. I don't know. I'll take more years. I like, I'll take more years.

Tal John Shear
I thought there was a straight up Monty python. As long as they're wonder years, and. Then, like, who's narrating? Is it. Is it Daniel Stern narrating you?

Or are you narrating you? I mean, that. Oh, man, that's such a. Yeah, it's Daniel Stern, but he's playing his character. He's playing one of the wet bandits.

Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, from home alone. So now, Harry, actually, it's Joe Pesci. I want Joe Pesci narrating my. My wonder years. By the way, they're actually this fucking guy.

Oh, no, I remember this fucking guy. Oh, shit. Remember, you can't no. You remember, he can't curse at home alone. He's clean.

He has this thing.

Tal John Shear
There's a scene in this movie that made me laugh so hard. That was such a Monty python scene where they blow off one of the bad guys legs, and he's just hopping around on one leg trying to fire a gun. Like they do a lot of body. Michael, rookie. Michael, worker.

Jason Mantzoukas
And he goes, I just bought. Those are new boots. He blew the entire leg off and her fingers. And then Arnold, like, takes the fingers to fingerprint activate the car. I mean, it was comic.

Paul Scheer
It was comical. Yes. Yes. There is, like 20 minutes of the movie where Arnold is walking around with one of Sarah Winter's thumbs and just keeps using it to get into buildings, get into elevators, get into the car. It's, you know, it's thumbs up.

Jason Mantzoukas
It's really funny. I mean, here's the thing that I was curious. He even says, I'm all thumbs today. Sorry, go ahead. No, I was curious about, like, the, I don't know, mall or space where all the cloning things seem to happen.

Paul Scheer
Like, because, correct me if I'm wrong, when he gets Cindy. When Arnold gets Cindy, it's because he went there to get his dog repetted, right? That's the woodland Hills mall. So he goes to the mall to go to repet. But across from the repet in the mall is a place, a kiosk, selling the dolls.

Jason Mantzoukas
And he buys the doll instead of the dog, right? Yes. Yeah. But the other Arnold. The other Arnold has arrived earlier and did get the dog at repet.

Paul Scheer
Zachary, did anyone else find it disturbing that the woman who was selling the doll was also in pigtails, like the grown woman? I really mean like that either for that. Not one bit. I didn't like the illustration that accompanied the doll. I didn't like the drawing of the sim pal either.

Jason Mantzoukas
It all was unsettling. I mean, listen, I never like adult women in details. I didn't like that. I mean, the best friend money can buy. And I also didn't like that there was no variation on these dolls.

Tal John Shear
Like, you had to get the one. I mean, this simpal thing really upsets me. It's really upsetting. But it does look like that was. Just stay on her for a second, Paul.

Paul Scheer
That was. That girl was a person. I mean, they based this off of someone real. Well, you know what? Averill actually showed us an idea that she thinks it was based off of, like, a Cindy Brady.

Oh. Oh, yeah, I can see that. You know, they are dressed almost identical. Identical in the picture that she pulled, like old school Cindy Brady. So if that's the in, I was.

Jason Mantzoukas
Wondering if they were trying to make it look like the young actor who plays the daughter, if there was some connection they were trying to draw to that. But I don't know if that's the case. It was weird. It's bizarre. The fact that there is the fact that there are so many iterations of alternative characters in this, from cloned dog to kind of cyborg doll to virtual sex hologram to full blown clones.

That's like four different types of altered reality characters in a movie that is really at its core. What if there were two Arnolds? That's it. That's it. The whole movie is, what if there were two Arnolds?

But they're adding so much other stuff. They're chumming the water with so much other weird stuff that I'm just like, get rid of this doll. The doll doesn't matter. Get rid of the cloned dog. That barely matters.

Like, none of this is integral to helping us enjoy. What if there were two arnolds? You know? Yeah, agree. And a minivan?

Paul Scheer
And also, the doll never comes back. Like, I was waiting for that doll to either be activated at some point or to call on an army of dolls. I love it. But she never returns. No, but everybody seems to think the doll is important.

Jason Mantzoukas
He's got the doll for a while, and there's a car chase, and he's got the doll. Then the bad guys have the doll, and then they are like, the doll is talking to them. They seem to think the doll has value as well. But by the way, they also. Schwarzenegger says to the cab driver in that scene, he's like, how do I shut her off?

Tal John Shear
And the cab driver's like, oh, actually, this is how you shut her off to Cindy. Go to sleep. The move with the movie should have been is like, when he steals the disc containing Tony Goldwyn's consciousness, he should slip it into the doll's drive, right? So that it's hidden inside the doll, so that the doll is now has the consciousness of Toni Goldwyn. And so that you've got this kind of hybrid thing where Toni Goldwyn wakes up inside the body of a doll instead of inside the bad clone.

Jason Mantzoukas
Right? I like that. Then you're like, that's why this doll has been here. That's why they even. That's why they even started introducing this doll, you know?

Tal John Shear
Or you find out in that final scene, he goes, how are you financing all of this. And he says, oh, what we are financing is we are killing children, taking their memories, and putting them into sim dolls. And because they cost, like, $200 a head, we're able to keep, like, it's like they basically created, like, a cabbage patch doll to fund a larger cloning operation. So, like, the Sim dolls are the front for the larger operation they're doing behind the scenes. Now, that's a long.

Paul Scheer
Yeah, it's a long way to get there, but they got there. Well, what's so funny about. I love that idea. And what's so funny about Tony Goldwyn when he wakes up as his sort of half baked self is that he doesn't realize, like, I found it so fascinating. He doesn't realize that he's, you know, kind of not all done a goo man.

Tal John Shear
He's a melted candle of a man. Yes. With, like, skin falling off of him. He doesn't know that until he looks in the mirror and he's trying to wonder. But that made me wonder, like, what is the experience of being a clone?

Paul Scheer
Like, do you, does he not see. Oh, well, now we're getting into what is consciousness? What is consciousness, and does it exist in your mind or in your body? Like, and does your consciousness extend to your body? Like, mustn't he know this doesn't feel right?

Jason Mantzoukas
This is what we were talking about in replicas. Well, all he has to do is look down and see, like, he's, well, that's dressed. He has layers of skin falling off of him. He gets dressed. He's naked.

He gets dressed. He puts on the clothes from the healthy Tony Goldwyn. Doesn't he notice that his body is, like, sickly white and dripping skin? It's not silky skin. To go back to the point I was making before about how this movie is unmasking like this, the amount of self hatred we all have and exists within us.

Paul Scheer
He's also cloned. Cloned. Tony Goldwyn is also upset with real Tony Goldwyn. They also have a healthy amount of disdain for each other. Yes.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah. Because I wonder if that's something that you mentally, we've never been in this situation, but you mentally must have to do that so you don't fall in love with yourself. Right. You must have to come into this world and be like, I must kill me. So I am the only me.

Tal John Shear
But Schwarzenegger, Adam is the person who's able to say, you know what? I see you for you. I'm gonna send you up to, maybe. It'S not that we hate ourselves that actually, that we love ourselves too much. Version of ourselves.

Yeah. Well, at the end, Schwarzenegger and his clone seem to be, like, behaving as if they're twin brothers. Yeah, they are. Yeah. What I did expect, which I was.

Paul Scheer
I was bummed, didn't happen was I thought the real clone was gonna sacrifice himself. Yeah, I thought so too. It makes the most sense. But instead, he just sets him up with an all a competing business in, like. No, not a competing.

Jason Mantzoukas
Like, a franchise in Argentina. He sends him in a helicopter to Argentina. The clone. One helicopter. Go to Argentina, by the way, on a boat.

Tal John Shear
He's on a fucking boat. That thing can fly so fast. Why are you putting that on a boat? I don't think it can get to Argentina. I thought for sure it was gonna be like another three card Monty surprise, where that old whatever parable from the Bible of the mother who.

Paul Scheer
How they found out the real mother was the one who wouldn't kill her child. I thought for sure we're gonna understand who the real Arnold is because he's going to sacrifice himself for the sake of. Of his family. But no, no, they both. But no, both of them live.

Tal John Shear
By the way. By the way. See, I was like, now, why? Okay. So then to me, I'm like, okay, so the clone has all of the same life experience as Arnold prime, right?

Right. Has all the same life experience, believes himself to be that man. He is that man, in fact. And he has to kind of go into the wilderness. In my mind, I was like, is this movie gonna end with Clara and the wife and two arnolds?

Jason Mantzoukas
Like, is this gonna end with their family now includes two dads? I mean, this. I wanted that, by the way. I wanted that for everybody. I wanted the happy.

And if he's not gonna sac. Cause I also thought he was gonna sacrifice himself. If that's not gonna happen, then why does he have to, like, why does he have to give up his family, give up his life, give up everything? To me, this is reeks of what you talked about before. How much of this is Schwarzenegger?

Tal John Shear
This movie gives you a chance to see something you've never seen in a movie before. Schwarzenegger getting killed. Or. I mean, I'm sure now, maybe now he's maybe changed that. But back then, at this point, you could kill the good guy, but still have a good guy in the chamber, but instead, the life of him in this town alone.

Does he speak the language? What is he doing? He's going to run. And by the way, he's running this extreme sports in Argentina. Does he even know that that's a place where he can fuel this?

Like, is there enough interest in Argentina? What's the deal? Like, we're not the sequel. The sequel is. You really are obsessed with the small business element of this movie I watch.

Jason Mantzoukas
Is it smart to start a franchise? Is his wife going to start forensic accounting and be like, why do we have an outpost in Argentina? Does a cut? Yes. Well, I would assume he would.

I would assume they're part. I mean, now if I'm somebody, instead, if I'm on the IR's, I'm going to go and go. Let me go visit that outpost in Argentina. My God, you look just like him. And then are we gonna say that they were twins or are we gonna.

Say our name is the same? That's the thing. Schwarzenegger is, again, the most conspicuous person in every situation he's in. Like, there is. He doesn't blend in.

Paul Scheer
Yeah, he doesn't. He's not like he is a hulking kind of a figure. So he's noticeable no matter where he is. So I just can't imagine a world in which they successfully blow up that building and the war crimes that are going on inside of it. They, I'm sure, are now landing themselves on.

Jason Mantzoukas
Like, it's interesting. Like, we never really see the government, the police, sort of. We see, but, like, we never see any law enforcement or any government agencies at all show interest in the chaos that is going on between the war of Tony Goldwyn and Duvall versus a helicopter pilot from Los Angeles that is literally blowing up city blocks of real estate. Yes. It seems like Goldwyn's bought off politicians, the police that they have, that money has corrupted.

Yes. Every brand. That's true. But also it's sort of true because Michael Rooker, when Michael Rooker shows up to the police station where Arnold the clone Arnold is being held after his holographic virtual psychiatrist tells him he seems like he doesn't want to talk about his parents. Like, that was a bit of hilarious comedy.

But Michael Rooker comes. It's not like he's like, we own you guys. Give us the guy. Michael Rooker is pretending to be a doctor. They don't own the cops.

It doesn't. The cops are just ineffectual, you know? Well, I mean, he's acting crazy. Admit that. Yeah, there's a lot of shootouts and nothing ever happens.

Tal John Shear
I mean, they drove. They drive a car, a classic car, through multiple houses. Yes, yes. Multiple. And Arnold is just back at his house, just hanging out at home.

Jason Mantzoukas
Like, I'm like, this. This area would be like. There would be so many police right now because somebody. There was a car chase and a shootout here like hours ago. Yeah.

I mean, it is a bizarre movie. It's really strange. Now, obviously, though, we have opinions about this movie. There are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

Maybe that art is subjective.

Tal John Shear
Alright, these are five star reviews that have been culled from the deepest wells of the Internet. Let's jump right in. This one is from Bruce winning. Bruce winning writes, I like the action and I like the violence. The shooting is futuristic and I like it.

The punching and kicking is just the same as it ever was. And I like it. Five stars. That's that from Bruce winning. I mean, not wrong.

Jason Mantzoukas
The punching and the kicking as it always was. Also, Schwarzenegger does a big dive in this too. There's some good diving in this. Oh, you know what? That was one thing I want to talk about, the use of slo mo.

Tal John Shear
I've never seen slo mo used in an action movie. It was so upsetting. It was like, how can you make this not interesting? Like, yes, it was so weird to. See the use of slow mo was weird.

Jason Mantzoukas
And the use of like glitchy kind of editing, chopped up glitchy editing was also bizarre. I mean, it's so bizarre. Okay, the sex review is from Uncle Salty. Uncle Salty writes this Monsanto, their genetically engineered MMO corn and all MMO crops should be abolished. Proof that you can't put the genie back in the bottle once unleashed.

Tal John Shear
Five stars. The title is, this is why genetic engineering and MMO crops should be illegal. Five stars, though. Well, I mean, he's showing this is an allegory. This is a cautionary tale.

Caleb Burner writes, really makes you think. Five stars. Whoa. And he wrote that on Christmas Day, December 25, 2020. And, whoa.

Jason Mantzoukas
2020. Really making you think of 2020. Gloria J. Pringle writes, the title is love Arnold. And the review is simply this.

Tal John Shear
Watched this movie with my grandkids several times. Love Arnold. Also Christmas Day. And then the final one. That's a tradition is you have to watch the 6th day on Christmas Day.

The final one is from MSL. And MSL writes, excellent movie, good plot story. Probably coming to life in about ten years. Be ready. Oh, my God.

Jason Mantzoukas
Whoa. Well, that, to me like that I love. There's so many holograms in this movie. Like when they're going into the main area where all of this genetic cloning is happening, but it's still sort of the public space, like atrium outside. There's holograms of people that, to me, for so long, was just like peak future.

I love that kind of future. We could imagine were holograms. And I do feel like we now have to have it. Yeah, but it's not. But it's not as interesting as we thought it would be.

Isn't there, like, a pop star who is a hologram that is a massive success. There is definitely a twitch streamer who is a pop. Is like a CGI character, like fully animated. I think there is a japanese pop star who is. Oh, you are right.

Tal John Shear
Yes. Yeah. She's not literally. And, like, you buy concert tickets to go and see a hologram perform pop songs. I don't even think it's a hologram.

I think it's CGI. Oh, is okay. Okay. Yeah, I think I'm not, you know, I'm gonna look right now. Yeah.

I think it's called Miguela, the CGI pop star and influencer. And this is a little taste of what her music sounds like. There she is. What do you class as real? Is it something you can hold, touch, smell, and taste?

Jason Mantzoukas
Or is it something you can see with your own two eyes? If it's the first choice? About 99% of social influences have just been removed from your life. You've not met them. You've just seen them online.

If it's the latter, then this next part isn't going to seem so strange. Oh, wow. What's up? It's Michele here with YouTube music at Coachella, and I'm joined. Oh, that is someone's world.

Artificial influences are growing. Followings of millions of teenagers and young adults. Ooh, that's intense. Wow. Yeah.

I believe there is also, I think the hologram that I was talking about is Hatsune Miku. Oh, okay. A japanese hologram. J pop star. So there's a lot.

Tal John Shear
I mean, this post is saying that there's one of many. There's a lot. This is a new thing. I can't wait for our case to be a. What you just showed me is very unsettling.

Paul Scheer
Yeah, I didn't care for that. I didn't like that at all. Not one bit. I did want to say one thing about Tony Goldwyn. In this movie, we are introduced to one of the most powerful men in the world saying this line.

Tal John Shear
Get the speaker of the House on the phone. Get me the speaker of the House. Why stop there? Just get me the. Wouldn't.

Get me the president be a little bit more effective than this.

He needs to talk to Mitch McConnell or Nancy Pelosi. It's like, what are we trying to vote coming. He's trying to get legislation passed, knows that the speaker's son has a brain tumor. Okay. So.

Okay. I guess I think he's trying to play out his, like, machiavellian plan. Got it. Okay. To get cloning legalized, you know.

Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, my gosh. All right. So I guess it comes to that point in the show where I'll ask you, do you recommend this movie? I'll quickly go first and say, absolutely. I had a fun time.

Tal John Shear
It's a little bit long, but it's worth it. Jason, June, what do you guys think? Yeah, I agree. It's too long. It's too long.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah. I mean, there's certainly some fun stuff in it. And I do think Arnold, as, as kind of anachronistic as he always seems in movies, is always a delight to watch. So there is stuff in here that's enjoyable. But it was, it was a slog.

A bit of a slog. Yeah. I don't know if I would describe him as a delight to watch. I didn't, I don't know that I didn't have that feeling. But there are some great performances in here and like Toni Goldwyn is a delight to watch for me.

You're all doing great. Yeah. But this is a movie that I would recommend you take your edible with and just like fast forward a little bit, but see what's in there. I like that there's fast forward there. Crazy stuff in there.

Paul Scheer
And listen, comparatively to some of the other movies we've watched, I didn't find this to be a painful viewing. No, I agree. I think more than anything it was because it was so long, it was a little boring. I think you can, I think, here's what you can do. You can fast forward through the Michael Rapaport Arnold helicopter race.

Jason Mantzoukas
You can fast forward. There's a bunch of stuff in act one you can fast forward through and then acts two and three. If you're confused, it doesn't matter. The movie's confused anyway. Yeah.

So don't worry about it. We're still even confused about why there are two clones. I mean, it's explained. It's a little bit, it is like, wait, but how did you not know? I will say that.

Tal John Shear
I mean, there's some stuff in this movie and I guess this is where the movie got me. And maybe I'm so dumb, but I'll put it out there and say, I was legit surprised when there was, like, when Schwarzenegger saw Schwarzenegger, I was like, I didn't know that that was gonna be what we were gonna see. Like, a two hander in it. And I was so pleasantly surprised to see them both, like, in the same scene working together. Like, I don't know why that alluded.

Jason Mantzoukas
To, like, building that bomb. Yeah. I was like, oh, that section was really, really good. Like, when Arnold is doing banter with Arnold, it's kind of incredible. Like, if anything, I wish the movie had teamed them up earlier.

Tal John Shear
Yes. Like, I almost feel like the movie did a slight disservice to what its premise is because had it teamed up the Arnolds earlier, we would have had more fun with them together versus we really only get, like, two little scenes of the two arnolds versus if all of act three or the end of act two they had gotten together, it would have been really funny. Fun for it to be more of two arnolds versus the world. Let's play a little clip of that guy. Forget about talking to the police.

I tried that already. Who the hell are you? Who the hell are you? I know this sounds insane. I'm Adam Gibson.

Jason Mantzoukas
Please answer. Yes. What? But we don't have enough time for you to be shocked right now because they got Natalie and Clara, and I need your help to get my family back. They are my family.

Tal John Shear
That's for sleeping with my wife. Yeah. I mean, that's what we're in for. And by the way, it's not hard to do. Yeah.

Jason Mantzoukas
I think what was bumping me a little bit was the total recall of it, which is like, am I really this guy or am I really this other guy? And that's a little bit the same thing that's going on here. Am I the clone or am I the original? The repet. Yeah, exactly.

Get yourself. Exactly. Repet is recall, you know? Yeah. Anyway, I enjoyed it, but I would, I would fast forward.

Tal John Shear
By the way, these movies are packaged as, like, a lot of the deep. There are a lot of comments on Amazon were like, I don't know why you're packaging them together. They're two totally different movies. Total recall. This is the other movie, total recall.

Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, that's funny. But they are very similar. This is, I just watched total recall recently. It's incredible. Oh, Paul Verhoeven.

It's incredible. Guato, Jason June, anything that you have that you'd like to talk about, share, let people know. I would say just check out the deep dive which is another podcast that I'm hosting with. How did this get made? Special guest, Jessica St.

Paul Scheer
Clair. So great, so delightful. And you have so many awesome, awesome people on the show. I love listening to it. It.

Jason Mantzoukas
And I'll just throw out, there are clones in invincible, the Mauler twins. They also do a pretty impressive job of being able to clone people on a molecular level, including consciousness. And they're always fighting about which one is the real clone and which one's the clone and which one's the original. I play Rex Blode, the motion pictures on Netflix right now, animated movie that I'm a voice in. I want to recommend Black Monday, which June is in as well, but also has a clone element to it, which is the Lehman brothers.

Tal John Shear
Kim Irino plays two characters in this. Oh, cool. So I have an ability to, I've worked with actors who can do that. And Ken has a stand in that will do his other parts, and it's lovely to watch them work off each other and, yeah, really, really fun. All right, so black Monday on showtime Sunday nights.

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Jason Mantzoukas
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Tal John Shear
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