Matinee Monday: Sleepwalkers (w/ Lauren Lapkus)

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Jason Mantzoukas
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How did this get made?

How did this get made? Hello, people of earth, and. And welcome to how did this get made? I am Paul Scheer, and I am joined, as always, by Jason Manzoukas. How are you, Jason?

I'm okay. Having watched this movie, I just don't know what to think. This is an odd one in so many ways. I'm so excited to kind of break it down with all of you. Oh, yeah.

Paul Scheer
And also excited to break it down with our other co host, the resident scaredy cat, June Diane Rayfield. June, how are you? I'm good. How are you, Paul? Good.

Freaked out from the moment this movie started. Yeah. Yeah. I would have paid $1,500 to watch this movie with you, June. The first moment that this thing popped on, it was, no, no, no, no, no.

And then it got worse from there. Well, I was doing it. Cause we watched it last night. I was doing the calculations. Could I actually stay up and finish it?

Lauren Lapkus
This was a rare one where I thought I'd be less scared and more able to handle it. Tired and late at night than in the daytime by myself in our home. And I think I made the right decision. Yeah. All right, cool.

I think I made the right decision. I had some scares. So we'll get into it. There was. I have a lot.

Paul Scheer
Well, we'll get into all of it. We are very excited to be joined by a very special guest today. You know her from her amazing podcast with Lauren Lapkus. Oh, now I've already spoiled who it is because your name isn't as hell. Also, the wild horses show, also here on Earwolf.

She's been in Jurassic World. A bunch of great stuff all around. Please welcome Lauren Lapkus. Hi, guys. Hi.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yay. I was also scared. I didn't know this was a scary movie. Cause I just didn't look at anything about it. Me neither.

Lauren Lapkus
And I put it on in the middle of the day by myself. And I was like, oh, no.

Paul Scheer
It is a weird movie in so many respects. And I would also say it's ultimately weird because it introduces these characters that we, from moment one to the end of the movie, I still cannot describe what they are. Very rare. Is it that the protagonists of the movie are the villains? Yes.

Jason Mantzoukas
Right. The people whose journey you're following, the arc of people who need to, I guess maybe like a Dracula is what they're going for. But like, the incestuous mother and son, who are the lifeblood of this movie, is berserk. The reveal of them being mother and. Son, I was upset, which happens almost immediately.

Paul Scheer
But it's so weird because this movie, this movie is about a mother and son, an incestuous mother and son, who are kind of like vampires. Kind of like werewolves. Well, here's the thing. Wait, they're shapeshifters. Okay, okay.

Lauren Lapkus
They're not mother and son. They're two creatures. Okay, okay. And I do not believe those two creatures are mother creature and son creature. I believe they are creatures.

Paul Scheer
I agreed to this and I need to believe this. I agreed to this last night because I knew that you wouldn't continue watching the movie. No, I think. Okay, let me ask you this, okay, so let's take for example that. Let's say, for example that you are right in that they are, I'm assuming, merely posing as mother and son.

Jason Mantzoukas
That's correct. Then why do they keep calling each other mother and son only to each other? Good question. Why wouldn't they, when no one else is looking, refer to each other by their names? Because they think it's like their sex game, freaky and fucked up and they love it, but they are not actually mother and son.

She screams at the end, you killed my son. That's right. What do you take that to mean? I seriously, I cannot continue this podcast. Okay?

Lauren Lapkus
If they are actually mother and son creatures, I just can't do it. I just can't do her.

I also felt like they basically, they just put that little title card at the top to kind of be like, there's some history about cats. And then they're like, we'll never explain that. We'll never explain it. Never. Was there one person that was like, usually what would happen in these movies?

Jason Mantzoukas
Nobody is ever like, I know what this is, right? These are sleepwalkers, these are shapeshifters, these are nobody ever. There's never a college professor, there's never a van Helsing, there's nobody who comes along who's like, I know what this is. I know how to fight it well. But I would argue the cats.

The cats. And they're just, like, looking. Except the nonverbal. The nonverbal cast. The nonverbal cast of feral cats.

Paul Scheer
Well, I need to break down a couple things here. First of all, to answer this question, I am believing that they are kind of vampire cats, or at least something that I'm seeing there, because they have a lot of cat stuff at the top, right? And then this is what it says at the top of the movie. I wrote it down. Sleepwalker.

Noun. Nomadic, shape shifting creatures with human and feline origins vulnerable to the deadly scratch of the cat. The sleepwalker feeds upon the life force of virginal human females, probable source of the vampire legend. So this would have me believe that they are born of cat and also vulnerable to cat. To cat.

So it's kind of like Superman esque. Like I'm from Krypton. And Krypton also destroys. I think that is correct. But that, by the way, and this is the problem with all these movies, this needs to come up in the middle of the movie because I'm not reading.

Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, this needs to come up throughout. Oh, yeah, yeah. I read a book every couple of scenes. I literally was like, cats are important. And then it kept going.

I rewound to go back to this at one point because I. Anything? Yes. The sentence that is vulnerable to cat scratches, I was like, that's why these cats want to scratch this incest. Mommy, daddy.

Lauren Lapkus
They're not mommy. Sexy babies. Guys, guys, can you just admit. Fine, if you think. Can you just admit that as creatures, they don't even really have a sex?

Jason Mantzoukas
They do. No, they don't. They're just, like, crazy. No, but they were fucking in the first scene. He took her upstairs carrying her and kissing her.

You remember when they let me ask you this question? Well, they made that concept when you see in the mirror them having sex as the creatures, are they genderless? Maybe. They don't look like they have a genderous creature, but they're heavy. That's what I'm saying.

Lauren Lapkus
But they're heavy. But I don't know. He could be a man. I mean, he could be a woman. She could be a man.

Like, they're taking human form as whatever they please. And in this world, that's mother son. But I do not think we would be so dumb to assume that in their creature world, they are mother son. Why? You think there are layers?

Jason Mantzoukas
So you think in their world they are just lovers? Yes. Absolutely. But why is that any less? Why will you allow for them to have a gendered lovers relationship and not a gendered mother son relationship?

Lauren Lapkus
It's the same mother son as what? As creatures or. As creatures? Yes, creatures. You're saying as creatures.

It's fucking disgusting and it's wrong. Well, yeah, I think that's the point, that it's wrong. I thought it was a great relationship. What is one of the healthier relationships we've seen in a movie? But I will talk about this.

Paul Scheer
I still even want to tackle the opening scene, which really doesn't tie into much. So the opening scene, the first one, the hero or the lead young boy, cat, he is looking through a yearbook. He says, tanya. Then he takes a knife and slowly carves a t into his. I totally forgot that.

Jason Mantzoukas
He's sitting shirtless in that room a very long time. And we watch him slice his arm forever. And I did start to wonder, how are they making the blood coming? But that's not the first. The first scene is much the cold open of this movie.

Lauren Lapkus
Corpse. Yeah, with the corpse and the cats hanging from the trees. It was like a. Somebody fucking hates cats. I was like, it's like a bad version of the hang in there poster, because all the cats are literally hung.

Jason Mantzoukas
Like, by the way, make that poster, everybody. How did this get made? Hang in there. And it's just a stick still from this movie with cats hanging from. By the way, that would be our great next piece of merch.

Paul Scheer
Like a very floral, like, hang in. There, hang in there. Cats on new store. There's something that's weird that I didn't understand. So I guess we are to assume that this.

Lauren Lapkus
That the creatures we will come to know killed those cats and killed that little girl. They go from town to town, suddenly. Understood. But then, if they can kill all of those cats and hang them, why couldn't they kill the cats later on in the town they were in? Why are they setting traps up and staying here inside for weeks?

Jason Mantzoukas
I think they are with cats on. The lawn staring at you. I know. Well, this gets at one of the very strange things that occurs in this movie, which is these people, these shape shifting monsters who are mother and son, but also lovers, but engaged in a very powerful sexual relationship with each other. They are only vulnerable to the scratch of ordinary house cat type cats.

And as a result, adult people act terrified of tiny cats, which is a huge problem. And the woman's reaction to the woman acts like.

Like she's in a home. She's inside the house. And then she acts like cats are going to, like, be able to keep the door down. Jason, they are sitting on her lawn, staring at her. Ooh, they creeped out.

No doubt. It's creepy. They have set up bear traps. Yes. Across the lawn.

Lots of cat traps. Which didn't catch one. No one. They got one. Oh, okay.

Lauren Lapkus
There was one moment where it was about two, and I was like, no. Yeah, no. They're trying to kill as many cats as they can. Why can the sun creature, who's not really a sun. Whatever, but how can he go outside with no problem?

Jason Mantzoukas
I couldn't figure that out. He gets in and out of his car. What I could never figure out is both of them do, at certain points, leave the house. He goes to high school, she drives around, blah, blah. Why don't the cats ever attack them?

Well, like, there's a bunch of cats around. Why don't they just, all they need is one scratch. Jump at scratch. What are we doing here, guys? But here's a couple of issues that.

I guess the cats needed. The leader of. Clovis. Well, gosh, Clovis. We were waiting for him.

Paul Scheer
I have a couple of major questions. Just so you guys know, this is the only Stephen King film that was written to be a film. So not based on a book. In other words, does he always do, not to skip ahead, but does he always do a cameo in his movies? I think that's kind of his thing.

Lauren Lapkus
Oh, it was killing him. Oh, his cameo. Oh, and it's so long. You liked it? I liked it.

Jason Mantzoukas
I didn't mind it. And I liked John Landis in there. There's a bunch of slow. Did you realize? And I wrote down this, but then I realized it was true.

Paul Scheer
I was like, this guy looks like Mark Hamill in the opening scene. The cop is a camel. Yeah. With a mustache. Yeah.

With a must. With a fake mustache. Yeah. And then, so it's also John Landis, Joe Dante, Clive Barker, and Tobe Hooper, who directed life force. All are in this movie, but Stephen King and Leatherface.

Jason Mantzoukas
Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Tobe Hooper. Oh, Tobe Hooper. Yeah. So there's something weird, because the movie, I have so many things to bring up.

Paul Scheer
Like, the movie does alternate between, like, comedic scenes. Like, even when. Well, let's jump into them. But Stephen King has a comedic performance, which I have. Well, it has.

Lauren Lapkus
I thought he did quite well. And it has all those, like, Stephen Kingy hallmarks, which I, which I don't mind. Like the, like, the small town characters. Like, I loved the teacher. The vindictive teacher.

That was insane. Like, I like that stuff. There's stuff in here that I didn't mind in that respect. All this stuff felt fast forwarded because it seemed like they just moved to the town. He looked through a yearbook.

Paul Scheer
He's like, she's a virgin. He didn't seem to ever meet. That's what I'm saying. He didn't even know her to know that she was a virgin. He's met her before.

Jason Mantzoukas
He does know that. Because, remember, he already knows that they're in class together. I think he has been. Cause they are. They killed the girl with the rose in her hair at the beginning.

Lauren Lapkus
Which, by the way, the way that corpse looked to me did not say little girl at all. It was the most insane. The braces. Oh, okay. It was the braces that were meant to kiss.

Jason Mantzoukas
And that's why Mark Hamill goes, I know. I was like, it was a trunken. It was a strange choice, though, because even to put braces and then say little girl. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was odd.

Lauren Lapkus
I mean, she's not a little girl if you're not. I think the reason that it happened was because they were trying to create a special effect that looked like the life force had been sucked out of the youth, and life force had been sucked out of her. So that's why she looked, like, desiccated and hollowed out. But then they were like, oh, but now she looks like an old woman. So they put braces on her and gave him a line that said, it's a little girl.

Paul Scheer
But she. There was nothing. Nothing to show that. Because I think otherwise people wouldn't have understood that it was a virgin. No, that's the deal.

Jason Mantzoukas
They have to find a virgin and do that. Like, it's almost like the dementor's kiss. And again, this is too much information at the top of the movie where you're not like, no one's going, hey, this is the third time we found this. You're not piecing it all together right away. And I will say that this movie is full of fuck you scares.

Paul Scheer
Because it's like they're not real scares. One scare is that girl popping out of the closet. They open a closet door. Oh, yeah. A cat jumps out.

I buy that scare. That's a fine horror movie scare. But then, like, beat, beat, beat. Body flies out. Like, where's the body?

And why did the catapult out? Like, after a few seconds, there's an audible female scream. Yeah, there's an audible female scream that comes when they are no women. There's nobody there. There's a two cops.

Jason Mantzoukas
I was like, oh, she's still alive because she makes an audible. There's a screw. It's meant to. It's like a creak scream. And why is no one going to this house?

Paul Scheer
They have over a dozen cats hanging on their front lawn. Like, wouldn't anyone go, how long have. Those cats been there? Should we maybe go check out this house? I mean, I watched it with you, and to me, I think a scare is a scare is a scare.

Okay. And you had a couple of really big jumps, so I don't think really big. Wow. We. Oh, cheers.

Lauren Lapkus
I just pictured you flying. Oh, man. I don't think I had scared, but all right, but, oh, wow. Guys, don't fight. No, it's whatever, you know, whatever, fight.

Paul Scheer
But. So I guess when they do, like. So, yes, the house is a massive target when you hang over a dozen cats in your front lawn. Somebody should have come to check something out. Yes, a neighbor should have reported.

It wasn't like that just happened the night of. Do you think that was the home of the teenage girl or do you think that was the home of the sleepwalkers? Sleepwalkers. Oh, interesting. Okay.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah. Cause I think that that was. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense why the cats were there hanging. Oh.

Oh. And then why when they fucking. In the first scene, the mother and son. Mother and son, you see the outside window and it's glowing like, whoa. Purple glowing.

Paul Scheer
But then when they're inside. Cause I think it. So I think there's a world in which that scene, that opening scene had just happened. So he's still filled with her virginal, virginal power. And so he's transferring it over and now they're on.

Lauren Lapkus
And do you think the next. Yeah. And shouldn't she have been older than the first time we saw her? And then he can shoot that in her mouth. And then the mother could be younger.

Jason Mantzoukas
I think that is what's going on in the opening credits. There is a drawing from a fake textbook. That is a girl whose mouth is open, screaming. And the energy. Oh, I missed that coming out of her mouth again.

Paul Scheer
It's too tough to put all this stuff with. Draw your own conclusions. But basically what they need is they need a virgin to suck the life force out of to keep them young. No. Is it them or is it just the mother?

Jason Mantzoukas
I believe it to be both of them. Isn't that what hocus pocus was? I don't I mean, yeah, I think it's. It's. It's.

It's all like. It's all things. It's vampires. It's all those kind of things that feed off the. Of youth or virginal purity or any of those kind of things.

Lauren Lapkus
But also, what I didn't understand is, so. So is the sun cat. Does he have a history of actually falling, by the way? Just, I want to point out something, because I knew that this was right. The director, Mick Garris, wrote hocus pocus.

Whoa. That's interesting. Interesting. He's like, I'm gonna do a better job of this sort of idea. And bette Midler was like, I'm in.

And Sarah Jessica Parker's like, me too. By the way, that's a really good SJP. Thank you. I was like, suddenly for a second, I was like, uh oh, Kerry's here. Mister big.

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Paul Scheer
Oh, sorry, but I interrupted what you guys were saying about we were going on from hocus pocus. Did I fuck up? Everything? You fucking say was run the credits. So he has a history.

Lauren Lapkus
Does he have a history of falling in love with these virgins and actually caring about them? There is. Okay. Well, June, this is gonna really get us into a much deeper conversation about the nature of the love between the mother and the son, because. Well, no, let me stop there for a second, though, Jason, because my issue.

No, my issue with this is like, we wouldn't. You'd never see the reverse of this, right? It just wouldn't fucking fly to have a father and a daughter. Oh, yes. And to play that out in a major motion picture.

Jason Mantzoukas
Of course not. And the reason why is because that's a real. Can I tell you something that happens? Which is dads molest their daughters. The chapter moms can molest their sons.

Lauren Lapkus
They absolutely can molest your sons. You're 100% right. Psycho is a primary care. Like, not seeing the reverse is because there's a reality to it. Well, I also think.

Jason Mantzoukas
I also think there is something going on here that is trading on story archetypes that go back hundreds and hundreds of years, as evidenced by the fact that the chapter title of the incest reveal is called oedipal slow dance. Should I play us? Could I play that scene of them talking and dancing? No. Yes.

Lauren Lapkus
Oh, I hated it. I hated it. Paul, here. It was a second of it. Roast chicken and cranberry dressing.

Pumpkin pie for dessert. Cranberry dressing. Going anywhere tonight? Where? Anywhere tonight?

With a friend. With a special friend. I'll buy my lonesome. Oh, don't ask your mother. EuGH.

Jason Mantzoukas
So creepy. And it only gets creepier from there because what she. It's interesting. The dynamic that plays out is she needs him to go out in the world and find virgin girls to seduce and bring back so that they can suck the life force out of her. Got it.

Okay, we get that. But she also gets insanely jealous of him having relationships with the young girls because she's his lover. And he's like, they are in a dynamic where he's like, what are you jealous? And he's stoking her jealousy. And then that gets them all horny.

And then you're like, wait, what's gonna happen here? Because their mother and son. Oh. Oh, yeah. And then straight up bone zone.

Paul Scheer
Well, and it's. And. And then I also feel like the young virginal woman that he's supposed to. Fall in love with. Tanya, who, when you see her in certain shots, she seems like, I don't know, someone who would, like, seduce their therapist.

She looks like she's like, maybe like, 37. Like, she doesn't look like a high school student. Oh, no, really? Nature and Amic is playing. Is playing the girl from Twin Peaks and also Gilmore girls and Riverdale.

Lauren Lapkus
This is during a time in movies where every teenager looks like they're 35. I was thinking about the nineties, maybe the high waisted pants or something. They all look. Everybody looks 35. They all look like they are trying to be in working girl.

Jason Mantzoukas
They're all wearing shoulder padded blazers and dressed working women. By the way, I liked Tanya. I liked Tanya in this. And she sold some crazy stuff because there's a point in the movie when she's dancing to like, do you love that part? I love that part.

Why? Why is she listening to oldies. I loved it. I loved the scene. Why is she listening to oldies in the nineties?

Paul Scheer
Cause I thought in a way. Think about that. I'm curious. He is also. I knew that song in the nineties.

Jason Mantzoukas
The soundtrack for this movie is all song. This movie is contemporary for the time. 92. Yeah. The soundtrack is all songs from the fifties.

Lauren Lapkus
Yeah. But that's why when you first start watching it, I was like, oh, am I wrong? Cause the movie theater's a little bit old. No, this is Stephen King. Okay.

Jason Mantzoukas
This is all Stephen King. Okay. It's all Stephen King's soundtrack, basically. I love that moment when she put on the headphones to start doing the Rollie vacuum, and you just knew something bad was gonna happen. Cause it's like that horror movie thing of like, she's so oblivious.

Lauren Lapkus
Something bad. And then it wasn't that big of a deal. He just scared her. And the popcorn fell on her head from the top of the popcorn, which. Was also a weird way.

Paul Scheer
They seem to have display popcorn. It was like they glued popcorn to the front of it. There was no way that that should have fallen. There wouldn't be popcorn there. Yeah.

You would never put. You would never on the hot machine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because also, it would be incredibly stealable. Yes.

Jason Mantzoukas
You could steal all that popcorn very easily. Well, look, she's giving it away. I would also argue that if your plan is to come to town and suck a virgin's life force, you wouldn't maybe make a school report about it. The only person that reveals. Oh, my God.

Paul Scheer
The only person that reveals anything about these characters and where they're from is the main character in a. Do you think he goes from town to town, enrolling in school to school, doing like, just honing this short story about him and his mom.

I wanted to play that as well, because this is by far the only information that we get. There's no cop that has any information. No one explains a goddamn thing except for him. And here we go. They were sleepwalkers hiding in human robes, feeding on virtue, loving to feed, feeding.

To breed, feeding to breed. So in the end, they ran. In the end, Robbie and his mother always had to run. One night, the men would come in their old cars, men with lights and guns. Those guys never come.

Lauren Lapkus
The boy and his mother, right? A boy and his mother. Screams of rage always sound the same, like the laughter of the cruel gods. Time of happiness, too brief to be anything but golden, had run out. Okay.

Jason Mantzoukas
By the way, that is an interesting story. If they are demons who are being chased by demon hunters or whatever. Like, where are the men in the old cars with the guns? I wanna see that. I wanna see that there are people who are after that.

Paul Scheer
Well, your big problem is you have a movie where your main villain's villain are silent cats. Yes. The only people that are after the antagonist for the anti heroes are just cats. Cats seemingly are just kind of by. Virtue of being a cat.

They're like, we don't like you. We see your sleepwalker ways. And so are cats protecting humans always? I think so. From sleepwalkers.

Jason Mantzoukas
I think that's part. I think when cats, since a sleepwalker is nearby, they're like, we gotta take care of this shit, guys. But like, let me say one thing about the mother son of it all because, well, and I heard it a little bit more like listening to this story. So I think that what he's saying is true. They are demons.

Lauren Lapkus
They are not man, they are not woman. They do not subscribe to the rules of society as we know them, their relationships to each other. They're feral fucking pieces of energy. But they think it's funny. They think it's fucking funny that we're.

Jason Mantzoukas
Each talking about, wait, wait. What is mother son? Wait. They think it's funny that we are the real demons.

Paul Scheer
This is like their big elaborate plank. Like, ah, we're getting some jokes and. You all bought into it. What? Like, this is their game to like to bring down the humans.

Like they're kind of saying like, we're. Gonna show, but nobody knows funny son. Haha. No, nobody wouldn't. Two demons who were mother and son.

Lauren Lapkus
Well, yes, but they're not mother son. They're not words. Why can't be describing meaning to those words that they don't have that word. They are using the words who just like, do, right? They're using the words only with each other.

Only with each other. June, you need to wrap your head around this. You need to wrap your head around this. They are using the words to each other. Only to each other.

Jason Mantzoukas
You killed my son is a joke. You killed my son because you're thinking. They couldn't say you killed my lover because they wouldn't understand the importance. Importance of it. Because.

But then why not make use the. Same language that we have and just like put all of our, you know, norms and stuff onto them? But wouldn't that margin to do that, June? Wait a minute. Wouldn't that.

Lauren Lapkus
If they are trying to fit in the way we're. They're trying to fit into society, why would they choose to be an incestuous couple as a joke on humanity. Why wouldn't they just choose to be peers? Because they need to go. They are not funny at all.

Jason Mantzoukas
They are not funny people even remotely. Well, no, no, he's very funny in the cemetery scene when his face is being ripped off. He's doing a lot of jokes. If he's, like, funny in a private joke way between the two of them. I mean, evil.

June, you need to wrap your head around the fact that this is an incestuous mother and son. I did say to June, though, I did say maybe. Cause we were talking about this last night. I said maybe it's like interview with a vampire where. Where what's her face from?

Paul Scheer
Bring it on. And I'm forgetting, Kirsten Dunst is like, she was made because she was turned. She was turned as a child. Right. But she's always traveling around as a child.

Jason Mantzoukas
These are just beasts. These are sleepwalkers. But they can pick any form they want. And they must. They must have genders.

They must have genders in order to have sex. They have sex repeatedly in their beast form that we see in the mirror. So they have sex with the. I will allow that they may have some sexual. They may have some, like, defining sexual characteristics.

Lauren Lapkus
Like genitals. Like genitals. Okay. But they definitely were not rubbery that. They were mother son.

I don't think they even what evidences family relationships. You think that they. Because they couldn't. Because maybe what June is saying is that they couldn't pick husband wife because then he couldn't flirt with the young. Girls and they couldn't pick brother sister because where's the mom?

And why are they in these towns? They had to choose mother son. And it's a funny joke. Oh, my God.

Jason Mantzoukas
I would go along with that if in private they spoke to that at all. But I feel like only even funnier in private. I feel like they only double down on the fact that they are mother. And they're so committed to this bit. This.

But June, can I ask you this? Sexy, too. June, don't you think that this is Stephen King purposefully trying to make us uncomfortable by this relationship? Of course. Absolutely.

But then why give us an out for it if it's meant to be like they are? The. You're meant to kind of be made incredibly ill at ease. I am. I still am.

Lauren Lapkus
I still am. If they're not. Yes. If they're just play acting, even if. They'Re play acting, it's still uncomfortable.

But I just don't believe. But only for the audience are mother son. But only for the film audience, the people in the town. It's really only for June. It really is just a way for her to wrap her this.

Paul Scheer
Stephen King was like, I am going to serve this up in the longest payoff from 91 to 2017. I just feel like the whole movie is so dumb and bad that the idea that there are layers to any of the characters is impossible. They barely give you a layer to what we're in. Like, the main story is not even. Like, this movie is all text.

By the way, I was like, the last half hour of this movie is kind of what would have happened after the credits roll. Like, it feels like. I'm like, oh, this movie's almost over. Oh, no, 20 minutes left. Yeah, it's like, oh, we're gonna watch.

Lauren Lapkus
It right then, too. I was like. I'm like, oh, that was a quick one. And I was like, oh, but they're like, now we're gonna go back and see the police investigate, take pictures. Like, she's gonna take pictures.

Paul Scheer
That's like, when the camera, like, pans up into the sky. Like, and then the town was never the same. Like, no, no, no. We'll see the bath. We'll see the parents.

By the way, love that. It was the parents from Ferris Bueller's day off. I know. So cool. They were married in real life.

Lauren Lapkus
Wait, was it the same mom? I was like, I recognize her, but I can't figure out why. And she has short blonde hair. Oh, I didn't know that. Yes, same.

Jason Mantzoukas
I love when they were married in real life. Married in same life and then divorced in 1992. Oh, no, guys, make it work. The movie broke them. I don't know.

Wait, 19. 92. 92. Yes. So the year of this movie.

Paul Scheer
Well, 91 is, I think, when it came out, so, yeah, sorry. So, yeah, maybe the bad reviews. Wait, did they get married before Ferris Bueller or. They were married for a long time. That's all I know.

Jason Mantzoukas
There was a review that was like, I don't see these two people as married parents. And they were like, you know what? We don't either. Let's call it quits. Wait, now there is something also, I wanted to talk about the teacher who is the interior designer from Beetlejuice.

Lauren Lapkus
Thank you, God, I should have IMDb. I was just, like, trying to figure it out, going like, why do I know? I love this teacher. He was so kind of great. But again, in this weird world where we're not explaining anything, this kid gets up, tells his whole story.

Paul Scheer
Kind of like Shaq when he did the rap in Kazam. Just reveals himself, outs himself in front of everybody for no reason. And it's a good story. And you would imagine for a high schooler, you must be like, not bad. He's on his side, and then he's yelling at other kids in the class, and then makes some sort of reference about a box having four sides.

Our sleepwalker goes, actually, it has six zing. And then from that moment on, he's like, I'm gonna find out what you are, and then I'm gonna try to fuck you. Those are the two things I'm gonna hate. Fuck you. I mean, that's really his motivation, is.

Jason Mantzoukas
It'S as if he has been completely humiliated by the kids. Actually, a box has six sides. Yeah. And it's like he then chases him down in his Volkswagen bug, which. Can you pull over?

Paul Scheer
I mean, that kid pulls over as if he was a cop, and then. The kid just murders him. Straight up rips his kids off and murders him. His hand was crazy. If you're trying to fit in, you've only been here a couple of weeks.

Jason Mantzoukas
Don't straight up start murdering people. If he can disappear and become invisible, why not do that, then? Yes. Great. I wanted to just have a chase.

Paul Scheer
First of all, I also want to give it up to Otto, the interior designer for Beetlejuice, for that. So I'm going to refer to him as full title for being kind of collected. For he goes down to kind of grab a handful of penis, and then the boy grabs it, rips off his hand, hands it back to him. In his other hand, he does not scream. There's no.

Like. He's like, hmm. And then runs perfectly normal without a hand. He gets crawling and stuff. It's like he doesn't even notice.

Yeah, the hand is ripped off so kind of cleanly. Damn. Everyone here who gets brutally hurt does not have any real reaction to it. But I thought that one was an odd one. Cause he goes for a long distance.

Jason Mantzoukas
And this is where the kid with Charlie is. This. That same Charlie turns from the kind of dootodoo, well meaning smile on his face, kind of bland kid, teenage kid, to a really weird, creepy clown type character. They put in someone else's voice almost. Yeah.

Lauren Lapkus
When that happened with the teacher. And when he pretty much rapes Tanya, he goes into this like, hey, Tonya. Yeah? Why did you not like me? It's like.

It's terrible. It's kind of like Jim Carrey in the mask almost. It's like this performative, big, broad voice. Yeah. Suddenly he's got this big personality.

Jason Mantzoukas
And I was like, why would this be the case? I don't know. Especially since when the mom becomes her cat self, she doesn't have a voice. That's different. No, it's sort of like, I think he's, like, a real mischievous guy.

Oh, a mischievous cat. Yeah. But you know what? It's probably all just because of ADR. He probably could not get a word out in that stupid mask.

Paul Scheer
Masks, and, like, with all that blood. And it's like, all right, just do it all in the ADR. And he's like, maybe I'll just dress it up a little bit. Hey, what's up, buddy? Cause he really.

There are some jokey scenes. Like, there's a scene when he goes to visit the girl in her bedroom, and she's got all this underwear hanging from every way. And it's like, I get, like, your room is messy. But I also don't get why there's, like, eight pair of different underwear that. Would posit a world in which she just takes either a bra or underwear off and just throws it.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yes. And it lands where? It lands on the floor. On the dresser. When it's on the dresser, there's, like, a hero pair of underwear that's on the dresser, and it's.

Lauren Lapkus
It is really hard to understand why it's there. How would it get there? Because it's up high, and it's like, well, it's in the drawer or to me, it's on the floor. It's not like it's. Or, like bed, but it's not like.

Jason Mantzoukas
It'S on the floor near the hamper. It's not. I get, like, it's. No, it's, like, strewn amongst, like, precious moment figurines. And it's, like, one of four or five pairs, which she's already gotten rid of.

Of underwear. And if they're clean, why are they just about. And if they're dirty, why are they about? I can't make any sense of. Well, and also, I felt like I wrote down that scene.

Paul Scheer
Felt like, to me, like a mentos commercial that never got going. It was like, ooh, my boy. They all look a little foreign. The light is a little bit more blown out, and they're just running around you like e fresh. This movie would make a lot more sense if it was all a mentos.

I would like someone to edit that scene into a mentos commercial. If she gave him one when he was being the cat and attacking her. And he was like, I'm better now. The movie, the movie I genuinely wanted so much more than this was a buddy cop movie between the police officer and Clovis. The police cat, the attack cat, obsessed with those two.

Jason Mantzoukas
Obsessed. That was so delightful. I love. I was heartbroken when he died. I was an officer.

Lauren Lapkus
Crazy death cop kebab, which I also. It was emotional when Clovis and sat on his chest. Yes, that was the. I really. I wrote that.

You didn't. I felt really sad. Like, I really felt like, I was like, oh, that guy died. Like, I was like, I am not like. And I watch action movies where people get fucking shot in the head.

Paul Scheer
John Wick, like, no problem. And this is like, oh, wow, the. Cat'S gonna be really lonely. Can I play a best of Andy and Clovis, by the way? He says Clovis so many times.

This is Deputy Andy and Clovis. Here we go. Come on, boy. Get the bad guy. Get the bad guy.

Jason Mantzoukas
Get the bad guy. Come on, Clovis. Get what, motherfucker? Good boy, Clovis. Hey, there comes Johnny with his pecker.

In his hand he's a one ball. Man and he's off to the road, yo. Well, a man live now. A man ride. Come on, you fucking turkey.

Paul Scheer
Get your right foot right. Get off the stage. Fucking jerk. You knew.

Lauren Lapkus
Why was he saying that? He is singing these songs. Those songs were so weird and they're so oddly vulgar. And he has this cat, and the. Cat, luckily, by the way, what a.

Jason Mantzoukas
Scene partner is a cat. And what a conceit that. The only, the conceit is this whole operation gets blown, essentially because the cop who carries a cat with him catches onto the plant. It's sort of sleepwalkers. Yeah.

He's like the only natural enemy of cats. Oh, wait, the cat was always his friend. Yeah. Yeah, I must. From the very, in the very beginning, he, like, has the cat.

And the almost, it almost, like, suggests that there's a world in which just, like, police dogs, there are police cats, which is crazy. I mean, I've never seen anyone even, like, the most, you know, rabid animal lover take around a cat. Like, a cat. Three in the car. Cat is not gonna be psychic.

Lauren Lapkus
Horrible idea. Terrible. And that cat. And. But again, I just want you.

Jason Mantzoukas
Do you have this actor's name, this detective? Detective Andy. Dan Martin is doing amazing work because he is alone in a car with a cat that is giving him nothing. And he is the most charming character in this movie. I mean, by the way, he has a death scene that the only person I care about, that girl could have been.

The only person I cared about more was the person that got killed by a corn cob. The corn cob was insane. Insane. They started, they stabbed in the back. It went through the spine.

Yes. They basically just started saying, anything that's an object is a full on sharp as shit knife. People are getting pulled because Detective Andy, first he gets a pencil in his ear. That's his first injury before he's shot. Yeah, he's fine after that.

Lauren Lapkus
He's still kind of communicating. His brain has a pencil in it. Guys, I was in an episode of Fresh off the boat with Dan Martin and I didn't realize it. That's cool. Yeah, I should have.

Paul Scheer
Oh, man, I wish I would've known. Yeah, that would've been a great person to talk to. He's still working. Very not surprised. Cause he's great.

Lauren Lapkus
Yeah. Oh, I'm happy about that. Yeah. He has been on. He was a series regular on Malcolm in the middle.

Paul Scheer
He also has been on numbers for many episodes and was on bold, bold and the beautiful and is in a new show called Wanda's Place. By the way, why make Tanya's mom a gravestone etcher? I didn't get that. That was bizarre. Who wouldn't have put them in a cemetery where she wouldn't be scared to get there?

Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, exactly. And also Greystone meant nothing to the mythology too. Like they could have gone to like make out point and had the same. Scene, but yet the drawing that that jock draws in class, I blew it up, is a picture of two people fucking in a grave. Well, that's because that's Homeland.

Homeland is where kids go to fuck. Oh, okay. I didn't realize that. Okay, so that's why the excuse of the edge. Yeah, yeah.

No, Homeland is make out point. Oh, so Stephen King is kind of lying when he's like, hey man, I don't need this stuff. I know, because he's basically created a fuck zone. Yes. So he is guilty, Stephen King, of not really keeping the upkeep, of not.

Being able to keep teenagers out of it. Yeah. Is what it is. Cuz that's the thing is the kids drawing is kids fucking at the graveyard. And it was like a really drawing, really well done.

It was a really good drawing. If somebody wants to recreate that drawing for us here at. How did this get made? Please do. Just give me four assignments.

Lauren Lapkus
I love Titania's mom has with Charlie. I mean, it just seems so insane. How would two people know? What are the chances that two people would be interested in this niche craft? I feel like it's so bizarre.

Jason Mantzoukas
I feel like. Did you guys. How old do you think Charlie and his mom are? Like, either actors? No.

I feel like they're all be, like, vampires. They're supposed to be, like, hundreds of years old or something. So I was like, maybe this is, like, because they're so old, they know things. They. Yeah, or they.

This used to be more of a common thing, that people would make a rubbing of a gravestone because they couldn't get back there or something. I genuinely don't know. I also was like, this is nonsense. It also just seems. It didn't seem in line with the rest of the home that Tanya's mom was trying to create, to have giant dead prints of.

Lauren Lapkus
Well, like. Yeah. Gravestones in hallway. Yeah. They had, like, a beautiful suburban home.

Jason Mantzoukas
And they get into a conversation about doing gravestone rubbings that is so specific that they're talking about different numbers of graphite to use on when you're making your rubbing. It was crazy. But maybe that he did it so that he could have his rubbing joke later when they're in my graveyard and he's like, we better get started rubbing or whatever. And she goes, we better. She's, like, by herself.

Lauren Lapkus
Like, yes, we should. Charles. I was nervous that that lip was gonna be bit off because she bit. Her lip biting almost the entire. I feel like someone told her that that's, like, a sexy look.

Jason Mantzoukas
And she did it then for the. Rest of the entire time, every line. Was bite, and then bite that lip. But then they also like, well, also, it goes back to my first point, which is like, why carve that t in your arm? Did he remind himself?

Lauren Lapkus
Here's the thing. Is he falling for Tanya? It seems like he is. I think so too. But then when he actually seems to get Tanya, he turns into such a maniac.

I mean, I guess that's the whole thing. Maybe he can't control that. I don't know. But here's my issue. There have to be other virgins in this school.

Jason Mantzoukas
100%. 100%. And why would he assume that she is a virgin? There's nothing. I guess my choice would be just maybe there's nothing.

Paul Scheer
Like, you wouldn't look at her and be like, virgin. No, I'm like, virgin. She's the hottest girl in anything. She's a very sexy. Right?

Put the pair on her and make her be like. Her friends are, like, girls who have sex, they talk about it, blah, blah, blah. So why would you think, oh, she's the one amongst those girls who must be the virgin. I don't know. Unless there's something about him, you know, his cat like senses.

Jason Mantzoukas
But also, what do you think you. Could tell from a photo? He can just, he can smell hymen. I don't know. Or had he already met her by the time he was looking at her in the yearbook?

Well, and the mother keeps saying, does she seem pure? The mother keeps saying, like, the grossest. The mother was. The mother was so gross. Her hair was so long.

Lauren Lapkus
Too long. I get really creeped out by women who have really, really long hair. How do you feel about crystal gale? I don't like it. Who's that?

Jason Mantzoukas
She's a country singer that has hair to the floor. It's so creepy to me. Yeah, I agree. There's something very strange about it. It means something.

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Jason Mantzoukas
And it's so silly. Like, in the face transformations, it looks like a little bit like sloth from chunk. Then it looks like a cat. What do you like? There should only be one other thing from clunies.

Not sloth. Only because the boards are going to go crazy. Not slothful. Yeah, it's not sloth from chunk, but. Like, wouldn't you just think there's one version?

It just be multiples. You're either that or you're not. Yeah. You're not like five other things. It's like a Rubik's cube.

Well, because there's like, there's like a cat face. They both have. Yeah. Then there's like an even more cat face. And then there's a thing that just looks like a hairless mole.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Or something. It looks like a hairless, like, beast thing that is still a mother and a son. But that is so gross that I'm like, I don't.

Why have four, at least four distinct looks if they're never explained? Can you pull up the picture of the creatures fucking so we can look. Please, let's do this. Yes. If they have any defining, like they're fucking.

Paul Scheer
I just wrote in, are cats incestuous? Just to see what the answer is? And they say, yes. This woman on Yahoo. Not that this is the definitive.

Jason Mantzoukas
Okay, so obviously it's right. Said yes. Once had a kitten from a litter born of a mother and a sun cat. The rest of the litter was born deformed to the point that some are missing cranial caps. Oh, God.

Paul Scheer
Yeah, yeah. Okay. A few people are saying with cats, cats, brother, mother, sister, cousin, it makes no difference. And kittens often have problems with mating with their own. Well, sure, but, like, animals, so that's insane.

Lauren Lapkus
If they're not around any other cats and they are horny, they're gonna go, yeah, yeah. Well, that's true. That's what's happening there. Mother, son. No, it's not.

It's not. I think, though, that they are. They're cats. They're demons. Well, they're born.

Jason Mantzoukas
They are. They are some. Yeah, no, I agree. They are some sort of ancient. That's why they've got, like, egyptian statues in the beginning that are humanoid feline hybrids or whatever.

Wait, the best picture. The best thing in the beginning is there is a picture that is a triptych, right? In one. In the first oval is an old, tiny old lady. In the second is just a house cat.

And in the third is a picture that is half the old lady, half the cat, but split down the middle, so it's on either side. It's half of an old lady and half of just a house cat. I was like, this is fucking crazy. Well, you know what the tagline for this movie was? Who cares?

Paul Scheer
It was, they feast on your fear. And it's dinner time. Ooh. I still need more information. And that's not true.

Lauren Lapkus
They feast on your youth. Yeah. They're hungry. Yeah. And one needs it in this moment.

Jason Mantzoukas
Like, it's like the mother kept the mother saying, like, I'm so hungry, I need to feed. All this stuff was so gross. But you were not talking about the best line ever. When that cat does look at our lead, Charlie, this is what he says. And I mean, we have to play because I feel like it's the best line ever.

Stop looking at me. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Stop looking at me, you fucking cat.

And why did. Why weren't we told earlier on that the cat people can turn themselves invisible? Cats can't do that. Well, why can they turn themselves dim? What is that?

Paul Scheer
Well, that's the sleepwalkers I guess so. They're mixing in. I couldn't. That bothered me. I was like, that should have been.

Jason Mantzoukas
That doesn't. That's really convenient. Yeah. You're so rare. There needs to be a kid at school who, like, knew all about this and was like, someone something.

Lauren Lapkus
And then he's trying to tell people or something. No one believes him or something. I know what this is, by the way. Like I said, it was the first Stephen King book, first Stephen King original screenplay, but it was based on an unpublished short story, and maybe he should have. I feel like at this point in Stephen King, he's like, here's something I had there.

Paul Scheer
It wasn't published for a reason. I feel like it's possible Stephen King woke up after a night of drinking and these pages were on his desk, and he was like, let's fucking do this. Because this does feel like elements of pet sematary are in here, as everything with Stephen King. There were better versions of this at one point. Or, like you said, he rewrites the same story until he kind of gets it right.

So this is like, yeah, this is something I'm gonna play with later, but you can enjoy this half. Oh, it's half baked at best. There's no villain. There's no anything. Well, no, they are the villain.

Jason Mantzoukas
That's the thing, is, what's weird about it is they are the villains, but. We'Re taking their point of view, and we don't care about anyone. Yeah, except for Tanya, I guess, but she and Clovis. Oh, of course, Clovis. Clovis is the hero of this guy.

That's why I say, I wish this movie was about Clovis and Lieutenant Andy. Oh, I mean, I would watch that as a tv show. Netflix. Let's do that. Let's bring back Clovis and Andy.

There is. I will say there is a great comic book series that is called God damn it. Dark Horse puts it out. It's something. Beasts.

It's about all these animals in a demonic town that fight the supernatural threats. It's like, not. No, it's not red. It's not the. Hold on.

Just keep talking. I'll leave it. And then I just want to talk about the end before we get into these second opinions here, where the end of the movie, I feel like everyone just kind of gives up. Cause the mom goes to the house, she kills someone with a corn cob. Then someone else gets impaled on a white picket fence, and then she takes a gun.

Beast. Suburban. Oh, beasts. Of burden. She takes a gun, shoots a car.

Paul Scheer
It blows up as if she shot dynamite at it. Yes. And then does one shot, one shot, the other one. One shot. She blows up two giant cars.

And all the while, our lead actress, Tanya, can't get a key. She has the keys in her hand. She has the keys in the car. Even can't get the thing to start. And that's like.

It's sort of like, yeah, yeah. She'll just stay there. She should have left ages ago and could have. Well, how about when she and Charlie are in the graveyard, she clobbers Charlie with her camera and then goes over. To see if he's okay?

Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, he's attacking her. His face turns into, like, a demon face. He is mocking and attacking her. And then he goes, he says, you better start thinking of yourself as lunch. She hits him with her camera.

Lauren Lapkus
She's like, but are you okay? Yeah. And then she's like, Charlie, Charlie. I was like, come on, Tanya. Wait, did we ever see the pictures on her camera?

Jason Mantzoukas
Yes. Yes. Oh, okay. I don't remember. They're slightly better.

Lauren Lapkus
Why do I remember anything? I watched it yesterday. No, it's completely forgettable. But by the way, there is like, that's another scene that should have been cut out. I was like, I did take pictures of them.

Paul Scheer
Why don't you go develop them? Okay, I will. And it's like, you could have just cut that whole sequence out. Like, she has these pictures here. The guy looks like.

Jason Mantzoukas
And this police force in the course of 24 hours, has, like, six dead townspeople and are still moving so slowly. Oh, yeah. Well, they don't, like, they outright go, ah, like, someone was murdered, the cop was murdered. And they're like, we don't know. Teacher was murdered even before that.

Paul Scheer
Yeah, we're not positive. Yeah, we're not positive that these, these stories. That girl's got an active imagination. Oh, the girl who's saw the cop get murdered? Yes.

Like, who cares if it. Why would she ever make that up? Why? Why would she ever. And she's also covered in blood.

Like, she, like, something happened. It really made me crazy when the cop was killed in her home and the phone was hanging and you could hear the police department on the other line, like, asking where he was, telling him to pick up the phone for all long. I'm like, you should know. Here's the other thing. In a car and drive over, Lieutenant.

Jason Mantzoukas
Andy is like, tells the sheriff, it's almost like the guy didn't have a face at all. It's almost like, he was like, whatever. A shapeshifter. And the sheriff's like, don't tell the judge that, you idiot. And then Tanya's like, he's not human.

His face was different. And he's like, basically like, don't tell the judge that. Like, he's, like, really stupid. And then, oh, but thank God. Ron Perlman comes in, state police.

Lauren Lapkus
Ron Perlman comes in, state police. And I thought that Ron Perlman, you're gonna edge out that he also was a cat. I thought so, too. I was like, and he's like, a cat undercover. Because the mother and son even say at one point, there are no more of us, or we don't even know if there are more of us.

Jason Mantzoukas
And I was like, that's a clue. Somebody's gonna be a cat person. And I was like, and he's gonna clean up the whole mess and be like, it was nothing. You know? But he was not.

Paul Scheer
He was just a normal cop who gets killed. Yeah. Young Ron Perlman, though. God, I love it. I loved it.

Lauren Lapkus
That was great. We haven't talked about, I think, the defining scene of the movie, the mother bringing Tanya back to the house. The sun is clearly dead on the couch. Oh, my God. And she says, dance with him.

I mean, I laughed, so. That was so disgusting. Can I ask you a question? Is she manipulating his body via telekinesis? Yeah.

What was it? Okay. I didn't have things. He's not in some sort of, like. But by the way, 2 seconds later, he wakes up.

Paul Scheer
He does, and he goes totally back to normal. So I don't know, because he was. But then how did he come back? How did he come back from. Cause he's in the middle of that dance.

He's like, hey, I'm back. Yeah. And then he like. And then he's alive until he catches on fire, which I don't even understand how that. Wait, did he catch on fire?

Jason Mantzoukas
She did. The mob is on fire. Why does the cat scratching eventually lead to flames? You know what I mean? It seemed like she keeps.

She's getting scratched. Okay, cool. This is her kryptonite. But then the cats scratch enough that they are combustible, and she goes up in flames screaming, you killed my son. You killed my son.

Which we never see, which is the. Best end of a joke. We never see the best guy right. To the very, very end. Callback.

Great callback. Their joke on humanity is that they've been playing at mother and son right to the end. Very Andy Kaufman esque of that mother to never let it. Let it go. Mary Brady, you did it.

Lauren Lapkus
It's a tribute. Like, the greatest joke they ever had. Oh, my God. The original title of this movie, the greatest joke we ever had. Jokes on you humans.

Jason Mantzoukas
But we never saw him burst into flames, which at the end of the movie, led me to believe he was gonna come out. And he was never scratched, though. Yes, he was. He was scratched by Clovis. He was the first.

That's why. That's why he goes, I'm dying, mom.

I also like those times when you're on death's doorstep that you keep the joke going. I also like that when the mom brought a vase over to Ferris Bueller's parents, and she hits him in the face of the vase. The mark that's left is three cat scratches. Everything. Why is everything a cat scratch?

Lauren Lapkus
That's a fucking bleeding all over his shirt. By the time he was on the ground, like, it was all over. That should have been a knockout. And Tanya twice scratches people in the form of a cat paw scratch. Like, three slash marks.

Yeah. When she scratched him, it was so weird. Wouldn't that rip your nails off? It would. You wouldn't be able to do that.

Jason Mantzoukas
Just we're like, rip. And it, like, got them. I. That. Yeah, the tension on the skin would be.

Think about the fact that she made out with him, and he's like, that gross being. She has to live with that forever, you know? Well, that's why she was taking a bath for a long time. Yeah, that's. Long bath.

Lauren Lapkus
Okay, I can't hear you. And then he appeared to her. I couldn't tell if that was, like, him projecting himself into her mind or. I didn't. Again, this is where I'm like, what is the power?

She just remembered it. Yeah, maybe you're right. There's so many questions. And by the way, wouldn't it have just been an easier answer if the teacher was into mythical shit? Great.

Paul Scheer
And all he would have had to have done is like, huh, sleepwalkers. And go, I know you're a sleepwalker. Yes. And, yeah, it would've been a million. Times better, and it would've made sense of, like, so many things, but it's.

Just a teacher who wants to be like, how dare you say a six sided box. I'm gonna fuck you. So that doesn't make any sense. The fact that this girl is hard. Nothing makes sense.

The easiest connections are not. Also, he's a shapeshifter. Shapeshifter. Okay, I get that. That is, like, a classic storytelling archetype.

Jason Mantzoukas
Got it. Why can he change the shape of his car? I know. And color. That's not how it works.

You can't. Like, I can change shapes, and I can also change other shapes. What? Yeah. And why does he see the car itself is a.

And why does the car. And why don't they get rid of the cats, then make them disappear or something? Like, they can get rid of their car. Perfect. Why can't they make their house and themselves dim so the cats can't see?

There was so much that was, at. One point, rules and regulations. Yeah, they did a terrible job of. World building at one point. They also make themselves invisible when the cops come.

Paul Scheer
Yes, but then they should have just killed those cops too, right? I guess. But I think the idea. I think what we're supposed to understand is the mother is weak. She can't leave the house.

She needs this thing. That's why the son's there, and the mother can't attack. The mother has no powers left. But does he ever transfer some of that virginal energy to the mom? I think during sex, he tried to.

Oh, he tried to. I think, during sex. That's the purple light with the sun and the mom. The sun and the mom. That's the purple light when they're having sex, because the light, of course, is purple coming out of the girls.

Right. And so I think it's purple going into his mom, if you know what I mean. You know, it's, like, really swollen in purple.

They did look like. They looked like latex creatures that you wet down with, like, a water bottle. They were, like, wet. Yeah. Or, like, Ky.

Jason Mantzoukas
I feel like they put Vaseline all over them. Like hairless cats when he was all. Cut up and on the couch. It was disgusting. It was disgusting.

Lauren Lapkus
Could not look. It was real gross. It was, like, in a way that. I was like, oh, the sewing of the hand. That was disturbing.

Although, wait. I have to say, I feel like, of course, this is, like, the point of your whole show, because it's called how did this get made? But I'm like, literally, like, how did no one, like, I can't imagine the process of, like, people reading this and being like, I get it. That's perfect. Like, yeah.

Jason Mantzoukas
How you did it again, Steven. Like, what? There's. I have so many questions, and I was barely even, like, knowing what's going on. You know what I mean?

Lauren Lapkus
Like, and if you're actually involved in. The process now imagine a world, Lauren, in which you've been doing this for six years. Well, let me just ask you. You feel insane to Lauren's point. Let me ask.

Paul Scheer
Ask you guys a question. This movie, the budget was $15 million. Wow. Big budget, right? That's significant special effect costumes.

Well, yeah. By the way, there's a. There's like two thirds of the cats in this movie are fake. And, like, fake. Like truces.

The cat from Saturday Night live fake. They are, like, terribly fake. Something throwing the cat that they do. Have, they clearly can't control at all. Cause most of the time they're just sitting there and, like, not.

Jason Mantzoukas
They're not doing what they want them to do. I feel like that one shot. Sorry, Paul. At the very end, where there are a ton of real cats, I think watching the house, like, the very, very end of the movie, they are truly just sitting there. Yes.

Lauren Lapkus
It looks like they're looking around like anything else. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Are we done here? Yeah.

Paul Scheer
What do we got to do? Okay, just do a quick order of business here, and then we'll see you guys back later. Well, it's also like you want them to feel as though they're a threat to the people in the house, but they're looking in all different directions. There's no. There's no coherent.

Lauren Lapkus
They're like, look, watching people run by, like, they are not. They're just being fucking cast. By the way, I'm, like, 90% confident that the lawn of Tanya's house or that area is, like, from lethal weapon. I feel like that's like a backlot. Okay.

Paul Scheer
So made for 15 million opening weekends. Wanted anyone or anyone wanting to take a guess on how much it made. Total. Total. Okay.

Jason Mantzoukas
I don't know if this is gonna be surprising. Cause it's so low or so high. And you were right, Jason. It is 1992. I was wrong.

Paul Scheer
The top three movies in 1992, Aladdin, Home alone, Batman returns. Oh. And those are just to give you. What if you like, top three movies, Aladdin, home alone, sleepwalkers. So that just gives you an idea.

Lauren Lapkus
Total. I'm gonna say opening weekend, it made 3 million. In total, it made 10 million. Got it. Anyone?

I am gonna say opening weekend, it made 5 million. Total, it made 25 million. Are we doing prices right? Rules? We are.

Jason Mantzoukas
Okay. I'm gonna do $1. No, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna go the opposite. I'm gonna say it made $50 million.

Paul Scheer
Well, here's the interesting thing. Opening weekend, $10 million. That's a nice. Oh, I said five. And then domestic gross, $30 million.

Lauren Lapkus
Wow. This movie is a success. Success is there. Massive success. You go see it.

If you didn't know anything at the time, you're like Stephen King would be. It's gonna be scary. Totally. Yeah. People go to horror films, like, regardless.

Jason Mantzoukas
Of scary, they just go to be scared. I think that's true. Well, obviously we had an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there that had a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. Let em say what phrase a I don't care about that.

Lauren Lapkus
It's all subjective, baby, so don't take it back. Let the world around us have the per se. We can serve them seconds then they'll go our way and we can change the mind of million without making a difference. Nothing's gonna stop us now and if this world runs out of review we'll know just what we'll do. Give our second opinion.

Time for second opinion now. Wow. Amazing. Wow, wow, wow. That was awesome.

Paul Scheer
Hannah Willis. Hannah Willis. And the new opening theme that we played today was from Joseph Frisch. So thank you both for sending those in. Okay, here we go.

Some second opinions. Let's get it started right here. All in caps. Love that. It written by Paul Junior.

Not me, not my son. The title is simply fangs. This is written in 2014. Just so you know. Not bad for an eighties movie.

Well, first strike there, not an eighties movie. The plot was good, acting was good. Location is great. What? Location is great?

The thing that got stuck in my throat though was the son having sex with his mother. Oh really? That got stuck in your throat? Maybe creatures do this. Maybe creatures do this.

This is a good DVD to have in your collection. But remember, there are strange things in this world and nature does it her way. Five stars. Wow, that's like. It makes me worried for that person.

Yeah, and that, by the way, was all in caps. I didn't read it with the intensity that maybe it should have been read. Second review written by Burt Tram. Also in 2014, I guess this movie was re released in a big way. Okay, this one, it says title is my favorite Stephen King movie.

Oh no, this is a movie not really like any other. You might not think that unusual because it's a Stephen King movie, but it really not like any other Stephen King movies either, which is part of the reason I like it so much. A story about supernatural creatures, mother and son trying to hide and survive in modern society. Nostalgia, love, apprehension, fear, all wrapped together. Excellent acting, excellent dialogue, music score and special effects.

Five stars. It's apprehension. Apprehension is what's apprehension? It's true. Because he is really connecting to the idea that these two creatures are the protagonists of this film.

The mother and son. Yeah. Yes. Like that. They are who we are.

Lauren Lapkus
We're rooting for. We're rooting for and hoping they can survive like modern society. Yeah, it's really disturbing. But to me, the apprehension of getting caught is that what he's really in the moment, like, oh, I hope these guys get that virgin. I hope they do it.

Paul Scheer
This is from Zachary Tilly. As awesome now as when I was a kid. I do wish they had developed more of a backstory for the sleepwalkers. And it's kind of a disconnect for me how Brian Krause goes from being reluctant to hurting the virgin to all out bloodthirsty. I mean, shoot, if this movie came out now and they developed an angle a little bit better, this could be a horror buffs twilight.

Lol. Also wish SK would publish this story. So he's really giving it five stars. Stephen King movies get better with age. He's really seeing Pat like, he's almost like an editor of a Stephen King now.

Paul Scheer
He's like, stephen, a lot of great stuff here. We can. He's like, I want this person in my life, like, at five stars. Judging on the potential. Like, oh, if you just.

If you just developed and connected the. Dots, the thing that you already put out into the world. If we just got it, like, prime for. By the way, this could be a cool rebooted movie because I think the premise is interesting. Well, I don't know.

Lauren Lapkus
Well, it just needs. They just need to fill in so many blanks. So many blanks need to be filled in. Do you just want to see a movie about cat creatures that are kind of. I do like the reboot idea of this movie feels like.

Paul Scheer
I think there's something interesting about these guardians of Egyptian. I think that mythology could be cool, but I don't even know what they are. I don't even think they're cats. Well, then. And I will.

Jason Mantzoukas
They're sleepwalkers. I'm once again going to refer everybody to beasts of burden by Evan Dorkin, which is about, like, animals that are basically badass, supernatural bad guy fighters. I'm into that as a movie. Yeah. And that other one, which is.

Paul Scheer
What's the guy who writes walking dead? I'm forgetting his name. Kirkman. Robert Kirkman. Bobby.

Jason Mantzoukas
Bobby Kirks. He prefers to be called Bobby Kirk. Bobby Kirks. Doesn't he write Ranger, Red Rover or that's somebody else, maybe. Oh, I don't know that book.

Paul Scheer
Okay. It's another good animal book. All right, so anyone have any final thoughts? Anything else? You, Tommy, Lauren?

Final thought. This movie is some really messed up. Ooh. I want to talk about cameras. The camera angles on this movie.

Jason Mantzoukas
Oh, yeah. Are like. The dutch angles are like. There's a sequence where the couple falls on the ground, like, in a little love tussle, and the cameras are like, boom. It also goes on the ground.

Paul Scheer
There's a moment where they create one of those bullshit scares where, like, she's like, brian. Brian. And the camera, like, whips around in 360 to reveal him. And he's not scary at that point. It's just like, there's a lot, like, the camera is always moving in this and, like, coming.

Lauren Lapkus
It also seems. I guess my final thought is that when law enforcement sees these creatures, a ton of these cops just throw their guns down and run away. Well, that one copy got away from the cat lady in the house. He shot at her, like, five times and missed so far. And then he just ran out the back door.

Jason Mantzoukas
No, he didn't run out the back door. He ran into the kitchen and called the sheriff. Oh, wait. But then from inside the ceiling, I feel like I was like, oh, he got out, and then I just. No, he was.

That's the dude who was pouring coffee. As much as it's gonna be required.

Like, that's the thing is, there's a. Wait, he was the corn cock. He was us. I thought one of the parents was. No, the mom was thrown out the window and the dad.

Oh, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. And the mom seemingly gets away. She's okay.

She seems okay. Yeah. I hope the dad's okay. I think he is good. No, I think he died also.

Paul Scheer
I did. Like, when the cop, Deputy Andy, does say, get me back up. Bye.

Never, never too rushed for manners. I really. Again, the movie of them is the movie. Clovis is the mvp of this movie. The cat.

Jason Mantzoukas
The attack cat. Clovis, mvp of the entire movie. Well, Clovis, let's see that movie. Let's see that. Re the prequel.

Lauren Lapkus
Did we ever see how Clovis got a. Like, Tanya wanted to take care of Clovis after Dan Martin was killed. Did we ever see how he escaped the, like, headquarters? Oh, I don't know, but he ends up there with her at the end. You know, one person you don't need.

Paul Scheer
He's a cat. Gets in and out, is just you. And me now, Clovis is what she says, right? Or something. This heads to the house, by the.

Way, to take revenge like it's 1982, maybe let's 1992. Let's spin this off into, like, a sitcom. Like Caroline in the city or something like that. Like, multi cam. Like, this is me and Clovis.

Tanya and Clovis. She moved to the big city after her parents were murdered by sleepwalkers. It's all about how sleepwalkers are trying to get to Tanya. Cause she's still a virgin. That's the other thing.

Jason Mantzoukas
I was like, she's never even. Poor Tanya is never even aware why she's being targeted by this. Yeah, she could just have sex with someone. All she needs to do is be like, well, quick, somebody have sex with me. And I can just be, like, invisible.

Paul Scheer
The dad was supposed to do it, but the morals of the society did it. Oh, God. Can you imagine if the only answer to keep his mother alive was to create another incestuous relationship in this story to keep his daughter alive, rather, I. Only brought it up cause you said you would never see that in a movie. It was June now.

Jason Mantzoukas
Too much. All right, so let's talk about what we wanna tell people about. Lauren, what are you up to? What do you wanna tell people about? You should watch crashing on HBO.

Lauren Lapkus
I'm recurring on that show, and it's really fun. You can follow me on Twitter orinlapkis and on Instagram. Same deal. That is awesome. Yeah, June.

So the third season of Grace and Reggie is out on Netflix, so check that out. And I did a web series with a friend of mine called Threadbare on her YouTube channel, which is Cubana Mama Pictures. That's really funny and wonderful. And, yeah, check that out too, Jason. You know what?

Jason Mantzoukas
Just because I've talked about it on this podcast, I'm gonna just. Just plug beasts of burden by Evan Dorkin. Also, I will say follow big 100 on Instagram, and I will plug driveshare, which is on go 90. Jason is part of that, and it's super fun. 30 episodes are totally for free.

Paul Scheer
You don't have to sign up for shit. And you can see Jason and I if you want to go back in time and look at us in the last episode ever of workaholics. Oh, yeah, I haven't watched it yet. It's very funny. Oh, great.

Jason Mantzoukas
Nice. So make sure you follow us at hDTGM, on Twitter, and on Facebook. Make sure you listen to our mini episode as Blake Harris sits down with someone from sleepwalkers. I'll keep it a secret for right now, but someone from sleepwalkers listen to our mini episode and you have anything to add, call us at 619 p a U L A s k. That's 619 Paul.

Paul Scheer
Ask and we will play it in our mini episode. Thank you very much. Thank you to engineer Ryan. Bye bye.

Jason Mantzoukas
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Matinee Monday: Sleepwalkers (w/ Lauren Lapkus)

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