Matinee Monday: Ernest Goes To Jail

June Diane Raphael
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Now it's time for let's wallow in. The mediocrity of some bar art. Perhaps we'll find the answer to the. Question, how did this get made? Hello, people of earth, and welcome to how did this get made?

I am Paul Scheer, joined, as always, by June Diane Rayfield. How are you, June? I'm great. How are you doing, Paul? Very good.

And Jason Manzoukas. How are you, Jason? Oh, Paul, you know what? I'm fine. I'm fine.

Jason Mantzoukas
I just watched this movie. So we have a very special guest, a very funny, talented writer. You know her from shows like girls, Brooklyn nine nine, in her book, dear Diary, Leslie Arfin. Hi. Hi.

Paul Scheer
Welcome to our show. Thank you for asking me to do this. I am so excited. And you're welcome for having an opportunity to watch Ernest goes to jail. Oh, my God.

June Diane Raphael
This must have been huge for you. You guys, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna admit it right off the top of the bat. I cried at Ernest goes to camp. Like that movie when you were a kid.

Jason Mantzoukas
Okay, good. Cause he had that song about he likes to cry in the rain because you can't see the teardrops. Very moving. I did not follow the further adventures of Ernest. Scared stupid.

Paul Scheer
Goes to Africa. Africa. Okay, you can't even find that. I know. And I had somebody, one of our interns, was able to watch it, and it was not as racist as you would think it would be, which is.

Jason Mantzoukas
Ernest goes to Africa. Yeah. Which is a bummer, because you feel like at that point, they probably just were like, well, fuck it. Goes to jail was a little racist. Oh, yeah.

Paul Scheer
Yeah. There's still a little bit here. You just assume that Ernest goes to Africa would be way worse. I just remember it. Any of the other movies.

June Diane Raphael
But the first thing that came up for me was, I was curious, is the conceit in all of the earnest movies that there's another character that looks like Earnest. In what sense? So let's. You know, so in Africa, maybe there's a black. There's not an African American.

Jason Mantzoukas
Earnest. I thought. So it's an American back to Africa. He has repatriated himself to his birth country. That's correct.

And so he's an African American living in Africa.

He looks like Ernest. Is that the conceit? No, the conceit. The conceit from Ernest, from what I understand, is Ernest is always a janitor who is striving to be something else. Oh.

Paul Scheer
So like in this one, he wants. Hijinks ensue, but he's not always a janitor at that. Bang. No. Sometimes it's like a camp.

Yes. Or in Africa. Yeah, sometimes he, I don't know the reasoning why he goes to Africa, but I do know there's one movie where Kareem Abdul Jabbar gives him magic sneakers and becomes an amazing basketball player, but he's probably a janitor at a NBA facility. None of the players that are in earnest goes to jail, are also in. And none of the townspeople.

No, the only one that is in this is one of my favorite characters in the entire movie is the old guy who doesn't speak. The guy with the gun. Bobby. Bill boy. Oh, the guy from raising Arizona.

Oh, no, no, that's his prison mate. This is like the older man who had that crazy, he looks like the. Kid from road trip. Dj qualls. Yeah.

Grown up. By the way, there are a lot of characters in this movie who don't speak for the entire movie and then start speaking. Oh, yeah. In the last 20 minutes. Yeah, there's a lot.

June Diane Raphael
He's one of them. Well, I will talk about this guy, Bill Bergy. I guess he retired. He worked in a Nashville library and then retired to start acting in earnest movies. And that's pretty much all specifically.

Jason Mantzoukas
And his dream was achieved. I guess he may have been friends with. That's so specific. I'm retiring. I'm gonna work in these earnest movies.

So I'm moving to California to figure that out. And he does it. I think that's he's only been in earnest movies. He was 81 years old. Earnest must know him.

Leslie Arfin
He was 81 west. Oh, I guess he's 81 now. Sorry. Yes, he's 81 now, but yes. So he's the only reoccurring character, but does not play the same.

Paul Scheer
Oh, he actually plays Bobby in every one of the movies. I'm just looking at it right now. Yes, he does play Bobby. Okay. But he's not with Chuck in every single movie?

Not that I know of. Can I ask a question? Yeah. We haven't even gotten into the movie. You know what?

Jason Mantzoukas
And if we never do our lives, we'll all be richer for it. What does, what, where does Ernest come from? Like, what is the origin of this character. Okay, well, there are a couple things that I know, and this is true, Ernest. You might think, oh, maybe this is a groundlings character.

Paul Scheer
He was a stand up comic, creative. Character, like a pee wee Herman type character, right? Because it was created by an adult agency, and he was cast as this character. Oh, for the. Oh, wait, wait, wait.

Jason Mantzoukas
What was the product? I remember this now. The earnest character was created by a Nashville advertising agency called Carden and Cherry. He used to be in commercials throughout the country and used mostly in dairy commercials at first, then moved up to news and local tv promos. He was the guy who was like, hey, Vern.

Yeah, yeah, right. Bruce. We never saw Verne. That was the joke. The audience, the people at home were Vern.

Paul Scheer
Cause he was always talking to the camera, and Vern was, like, in the shower or on the toilet. No, I don't care for that. Philosophically speaking, we are all verne. Now, the character got so successful from commercials that he was spun off into a tv show called hey, Vern, it's earnest. And then I don't know how long that lasted.

I'm sure I can find that out in some cases. I thought the tv came after the movie. No, because it said in the opening credits of the movie that he had won an Emmy. He was Emmy award winning. It said that?

June Diane Raphael
Yes, it said that. How did. I. Fast forwarded the credit. Wait.

By the way, it was the longest credit sequence I've ever seen in my life, but I'm pretty sure it said that. Hey, Vern, it's Ernest. Ran for 13 episodes, and then he went right on to do Ernest goes to Splash Mountain, a Disney movie. What did he win? Yeah, exactly.

Paul Scheer
Wait, what? For children's programming? Yeah, I'm sure he got choked in a show. I don't remember. Here's the thing that's gonna blow up your whole podcast, is that this movie did really well.

Yes. And it got made because kids loved him. It was like a huge franchise. Yeah. I mean, I love this movie.

I mean, I love those. Ernest goes to camp. That was a good one. Ernest goes to camp. Was that the first?

I think it was. That was the one that, like, had the most, like, he, like, a snapping turtle, bit his nose. Like, that was classic earnest. I remember that in the trailer. I'm having a flashback.

Leslie Arfin
But he was also, like, a more a straighter peewee, a shittier dress. Right. See, I did bounces. Still have all those machinations of pee wee. Yeah, I had a question about that, and we can wait till we get.

I don't know how it goes. You can go. I mean, Jean didn't find him lovable. So you're like, I didn't. Yeah.

I don't know if this is shocking. News, if I may. This is shocking. Are we supposed to think that he is different? And if he is challenged, why is his house a Rube Goldberg?

Jason Mantzoukas
Yes. Contraption adventure. Well, I had trouble with all those contraptions because I usually find them satisfying in movies when they take. They're just satisfying to watch. Can you hit me with, like, two examples?

Could you have any? Oh, he has, like, five. That's true. Yeah. Like, he's the only one.

June Diane Raphael
But usually they make life easier on some level. And for his contraptions, it was just like, I wrote this thing. A rubber thing hitting the tv. Yeah. There was no strategy to.

It was like, why would you even want. Why would you start to create that? What problem are you solving with this product? His products seem to hurt him. Like, instead of a shower, which is a relatively simple contraption, he created a washing machine that he puts himself in and is violently shook.

Right. You know what? We haven't even talked about the powder aspect of this movie. The movie powder. That he became powder.

Jason Mantzoukas
Conveniently, I would say he became electro, but that's just the kind of nerds that we represent. I was like, oh, so this is, like, Ernest becomes powder. Yes. Well, in the first couple seconds of the movie, he is violently electrocuted. Oh, yes.

He's repeatedly. He is. A degree of voltage is put through his body repeatedly throughout this movie. At one point. This is a children's movie, I believe.

Now, at one point, he is electrocuted in an electric chair in a prison, which should kill him, but only makes him more powerful, powerfully magnetic. I really want to talk about. Cause it is in one of the first scenes. Sure. The science behind his conductivity and how it cracks through the movie.

Do you want to talk about the science that gets us even to that, which begins with the floor buffer that has a sticker on it that says, do not flick, switch rapidly, which he. Has been doing repeatedly. And then that floor buffer can climb walls and go across the ceiling. I would argue the floor buffer is, like, the antagonist of the movie. Or the catalyst.

Or the catalyst, yes. Basically, if this was, like, to break it down on a superhero origin story, it is because of the floor buffer that his late mutant talents are awoken. And he's given this, like, magneto kind of electricity. I was gonna say, like, is this any. Is this what we're gonna see in the new Spider man movie kind of this, you know, maybe Jamie Foxx is playing with a floor buffer.

I heard a huge part of it is a ripoff of this movement. Huge part. So he becomes electrocuted. Well, I don't even remember how, because of the floor buffer. The light falls on him.

The lamp. The plugged in lamp falls on him after the floor buffer has poured gallons of water. That floor buffer shouldn't have had that much water in it. There is definitely a problem in that. I don't think floor buffers have water in them.

Paul Scheer
I'm going to argue that too. Controversial. Controversial statement. They don't have water, but do they. Shoot out a lot of foam?

Jason Mantzoukas
Like shampoo foam? Do they not obey the rules of gravity? No. Oh, that was, there was another part in this movie that got really. They didn't obey.

Leslie Arfin
They abandoned all rules when Bobby. Yes. The old man. I love this scene. I don't know how to describe it.

Jason Mantzoukas
This is like a looney to the radio. This is Looney Tunes. That was crazy. Just picture. Picture a microphone stand and a grown man peeking out from one side, but his other side is, you can't see it.

Paul Scheer
So it is like a Looney tune, but that's like. Yeah, it's a Looney tunes thing where he keeps popping up. He's spying on the earnest. Earnest. Oh, God.

Evil. Earnest spying in on earth? Yeah, on evil. Earnest, the double. And.

Jason Mantzoukas
But he keeps popping up all over the bank. It's like, boink, boink, boink. And then, yeah, everything. The physics doesn't make sense. And, you know, they put that in.

Leslie Arfin
Cause they were like, this is so classic. This is funny. We gotta do this bit. There is so many things. I mean, again, this movie starts off in the.

Paul Scheer
Just to even pull it back to the beginning, before we even get into the prison element of it, the movie starts off with the premise that the two men who work in the bank as security guards are frightened and scared of Ernest cleaning the bank while they were all in it together of a noise. They're just scared, frightened, and scared of a noise. And that seems to be his job, which is, he is the night janitor. By the way, the hours and times in this movie never make sense. Oh, no.

It's. Court is getting out at midnight. Ernest goes, I have to go. I'm late for dinner. The sun is shining.

Leslie Arfin
It's 01:00 p.m. The people in prison are working during. I mean, none of it makes sense. Ernest could have been in jail in this movie. For twelve months.

Jason Mantzoukas
I know. For 12 hours. Yeah. It did not make. So basically, so that opening sequence with the cops and everything, that's fine.

June Diane Raphael
Okay. So to go back to the science for a second, he gets electrocuted by a lamp and then becomes, I guess, a conductor. Well, he becomes magnetic. He's, like, magnetized. Everything metal starts shooting across the room and sticking to him.

Right. But that goes away for most of the movie. Yeah, I did enjoy the scene. I'm not gonna lie. I did enjoy the scene where he takes Charlotte, the love interest, out on a date.

And the spoon started. Mm hmm. I thought that was. Cause he went like that, and he put his fists against his face like a little kid, and he looked. Yes, well, that love row romance between.

Jason Mantzoukas
I have a real problem with this. I have a lot of problems with this, because Ernest is speaking like a three year old kid. He's like, I don't have, like, he's like, I don't have confidence. That man's a bad man. In case, just for the listeners, and I don't know, there are probably listeners who are like, I don't actually know what this is.

Paul Scheer
Yeah. Ernest is conservatively a 60 year old man. Okay. No, I think that is a part of the problem. He is in his fifties.

June Diane Raphael
Yeah, it's brain. I will say that Jim Varney passed away at the age of 50 during pre. Yes, during pre production of Ernest the Pirate, which is half finished. Ernest the pirate. Changing the rules.

Paul Scheer
Whoa. Changing the rules. And by the way, just another side note about Jim Varney. He was a smoker, a very bad smoker. So he died of lung cancer.

Jason Mantzoukas
He would always put the lit end in his mouth. He was terrible. He never knew how to do it, put it in his ear. But that's why in this movie, even he says, don't smoke. He goes like.

Paul Scheer
I go, hey, want a cigarette? Before he's about to get electrocuted? I think he just realized that as a person, I don't know if he had cancer. During this film, he said on Wikipedia that once he found out he had cancer, he quit smoking and did a PSA. So maybe he as artist.

Yeah. So who knows? Well, that's very sad. Also, when he was evil, when he was his doppelganger, and he, Ernest was Jim Varney, he was hot. He was as fuck.

June Diane Raphael
Yes, I agree. I totally agree. I was actually like, wait, what is. I 100% agree. I was shocked.

Leslie Arfin
Shocked, and he was kind of aching to do drama. Well, you know, he actually did do. Some drama, and he was so good as evil earnest. Really good. He was great.

Jason. And at one point, I thought to. Myself, I never thought. I never was like, ooh, this is getting me going now. I was shocked.

June Diane Raphael
And at one point, I thought to myself, is he really attractive or. And I thought he was oozing sexuality. Oozing, oozing sexuality. Jim, for earnest. In the earnest.

Paul Scheer
I agree. In earnest. Okay. I just want to make sure in Ernest goes to jail, there was a character that was oozing sexuality for you. Yes.

Leslie Arfin
Yeah. Wowzers. And that was really cute. And then he sort of raped. I know there was a rape scene.

Paul Scheer
There was a rape scene. But what were you gonna say? I was gonna say at one point, I thought, okay, this is. It's just in comparison to how childlike and boyish Earnest is that I'm thinking bad earnest is attractive. But looking back on it, I don't think that was the case.

Leslie Arfin
I think we can tell. Yeah, I think we can. I think that we can admit. I think we're mature enough that we can admit, you know what? This is just a compare situation.

No, this is. You know why? Because I agree, if I may. While if June is going to be. If June is going to take over the role of thinking something is overly sexual when it isn't, then I have to say this is very upsetting.

No, you know what? For people listening. I'm sorry. I was googled. If you google Jim Varney right now.

Paul Scheer
I have a picture of him, and he is a. Look at that picture. Jason, looking good. Okay. Sure, sure.

Leslie Arfin
He's weathered, and he's rugged. You know what? He's rugged. He did do a drama called Wilder Napalm. He's also earnest.

Yeah. In this movie, you didn't see a Jim Varney movie on its own and be like, hey, you know, you know who's not so bad looking when he's not earnest is Jim Varney. No. You watched an earnest movie. I saw the Jim Varney come on to come out.

Paul Scheer
Let's talk about this. Yeah, he did. Jim Varney plays three characters in this movie. Ernest Pee worl, Mister Felix Nash, and Auntie Nelda. Oh.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yep. Where he was suddenly super smart. That's another confusing thing. He does great impressions. Oh, he does great impressions.

Paul Scheer
As there's a scene, we actually should play the clip. At a certain point, Ernest is. Well, we should just get into the idea of why he is in jail. He is serving on a jury, and he happens to look like a criminal mastermind. That was a great scene.

That was the scene I laughed at where he's chewing on his pants, and the ink gets on his face. But then I got upset. I got, I got the ink in the mouth, and all over the face was making me dry heat. I go, this is, like, what it's like for me to watch saw. Cause I was like, oh, I don't like when he started chewing the paper.

Leslie Arfin
I was like, ugh, that was awful. There's a lot of wet mouth sounds. I'm, like, gagging right now. There's a lot of wet mouth sounds in that scene, and I really can't handle wet mouth sounds. You guys know how I feel about wet mouth sounds.

Jason Mantzoukas
And this one scene has, like, is because he's chewing on wet paper, and. His face is covered in, like, a real. It's green, and it's, like, dripping. It looks wet. It's a wet ink.

June Diane Raphael
It's like blood. Like black blood. It didn't. But the judge says, june, I think it's african american. Yes.

Leslie Arfin
And then we look at him, and he's covered in ink and chewing on paper, and he says, I'm fine. And I thought that was very funny. Well, Ernest, I also thought it was funny. I mean, actually, I thought this whole sequence was funny, that when he, when he sort of thinks he's still on jury duty and that they're just being very thorough about him, he wakes up in jail. I had a couple good laughs.

Paul Scheer
Basically, Ernest. Ernest is a victim of a criminal mastermind, because the criminal mastermind realizes that he looks like Ernest, so he could get, he could swap places with him. So earnest goes to jail, as basically everyone thinks he's this criminal mastermind in jail. And then on the outside, sweet, poor earnest, who everyone loves, is planning to rob a bank. That's basically the, yeah, it's a switcheroo movie.

Leslie Arfin
Here's a wild card of an observation. Sure. The colors in this movie. Yes. I'm so glad you brought that up.

Jason Mantzoukas
Great. I'm so glad you brought that up. Okay. Thank you. Do you want to go just straight for the uniforms of the.

Paul Scheer
Cause? I'm interested about this prison. Here's what's interesting about those costumes. While the guards are wearing bright pink suits. Sort of.

June Diane Raphael
Kind of like zoot suits. Yes. They look like they're in one of our future weird movies. It reminded me of what raw Julia looks like in Street Fighter. There's this very big shoulder pads.

Pink, which was just such a choice and such a sort of defining characteristic of this world, and it was so kind of cartoonish. Was that to make it less threatening to kids? Do you feel like, to make it seem more colorful and less scary? You know? Cause I'm assuming this movie was for kids.

Jason Mantzoukas
Aimed at kids. For kids. Well, that's the thing that's surprising. It was NC 17 when I came. Well, when that rape scene happened, I was genuinely like, what is happening here?

But I was assuming that some of that stuff was to make it seem like poppy and not as kind of like. Well, it is a heavy topic for children. I think that they shot that whole. First of all, there are two sets in the movie. The bank set.

Leslie Arfin
Oh, my God. The bank set. The walls are cardboard. I was just gonna say paper set. It is.

Yeah, it does look. It looks like. Yeah. I've never seen more of a set. So much to.

Paul Scheer
When they actually do an overhead shot. It really shows the whole room because there's no roof. But the prison was also. It was so dark. The lighting.

June Diane Raphael
The lighting. I didn't see anything. Well, I thought that the costume designer was like, let's make their jackets hot pink, because in the lighting, they'll look red. And I thought she was dumb. Interesting, because everybody else in the movie wore army green or blue.

Leslie Arfin
Everyone else. Well, I was also just to talk. I mean, I know it's a kids movie, and we can't get to too much in detail, but the idea that the evil prisoner was able to have a matching Ernest prison outfit. Basically, the evil prisoner puts on an Ernest Jean jacket, but it's green. No, he swapped clothes with him.

Paul Scheer
No, no. But he also reinvest before he bonked him on the head. He was wearing a green prison vest and a green prison hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like the prison colors of Ernest's outfit, which I don't know how he would have.

Jason Mantzoukas
No, you're right. Yeah. Unless you were to believe that this whole prison also had earnest outfits as well. But the girlfriend wore green and blue at one point. I want to get into that relationship in a mage.

Yes, mage. I want to really dig it up. To talk about it. Cause. All right, so this is.

Paul Scheer
Ernest has a relationship with Charlotte Sparrow. So Charlotte Sparrow is this nice woman who works at the bank and is really smitten with Ernest. And at first she's saying, like, look, we're gonna go out for dinner just as friends, which I thought was a little bold. She wants to help him get a job. She wants to help him get a promotion at the bank.

June Diane Raphael
She also wants a promotion that promotes. She also wants a promotion that's been passed but not for the same job. Yes. And so she's helping him out in a way that I was like, oh, she's helping the janitor. But then it turns into a weird date, and that's when it starts getting real weird.

But does she like him? I don't think so. Well, no, she says it. She says immediately. She goes, she says when they're sitting there, he's like, oh, my gosh, you're so funny.

Paul Scheer
He made that joke. He makes a dumb, a real, like, fifth grader joke. Yeah. She was so weird that she liked it, because it seemed to me that he, like, she was actually trying to open up to him. Yeah.

June Diane Raphael
And he was very inappropriate. Yeah. But she loved it. She goes, Ernest, this is fun. You make good company.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah. And then later on, she says, I haven't gotten a chance to take a break from my job, which is like, she just works in a local bank. It's not like that. You don't know if you take that work home with you. In the other movies, does Ernest have, like, love interests, and is he a sexual being?

You know, in the other movies, they have penetrative sex. The show. The show penetrative sex. I'm imagining that in all the movies when he's sticking it in, they know he definitely, I think, has. I think he has.

Paul Scheer
I imagine he has a love interest in every movie. I think it's interesting that he must be unrequited. But do that they have this platonic love interest that they never really get. Together at the end? No, it's like the princess and Super Mario brothers or Dottie and Peewee.

Leslie Arfin
It's like there's always. But they don't do anything. There's no point to them. Little kids don't give a shit about a love interest. Right.

Or maybe girls. Maybe that gets the girls in. What she ended up serving as was really stakes for him once he got to prison to sort of go along with the fact that he was bad earnest because they threatened to kill her. Right. Well, that was his whole motivation to get out.

Paul Scheer
He seemed to have no problem being in prison. If only. The only reason to get out of prison was to save this girl that he only had one dinner with that just wanted to be friends. I had a hard. I did not pay attention like you guys did.

Leslie Arfin
I had a very hard time watching this movie. I get it, you know? Do you remember when he had a lobster on his face? Yes. Which means that the lobster was alive when they were gonna serve it.

Right. I had trouble with that, too. Because the lobster grabbed onto his nose and cheeks. Wait, but is the lobster. Well, yeah, I didn't even think about the lobster being alive.

Jason Mantzoukas
The lobster. But is the lobster magnetic? Well, here's the thing. Nothing on that plate was magnetic. The grilled lobster was being served sort of upside down.

June Diane Raphael
To have, like, flown like that and alive. It was definitely. No, it was definitely alive. The lobster was dead because it was red. But how was that?

Jason Mantzoukas
An alive lobster is green. Right, but it was glamorous onto his face, though. Yeah, but how did it. I think that was just because the thing pushed it up on his face and they thought it was a funny joke. Oh, well, yeah, I would buy that.

Paul Scheer
That's a funny joke. I laugh. Yeah, I laugh. I was lying. That.

Jason Mantzoukas
Do you guys remember when he gave a buttery hand job to a breadstick? Did you guys. Oh, that was so upsetting. So I was really like, what the fuck is that? The butter tray flew at him.

Cause on the date, he's magnetized. Which it was. But no reason to. There is a reason because his dryer is. His giant size human dryer is broken.

He opens up the circuit breaker and is like, oh, there it is. I got a short here. And he touches it and he electrocutes himself again. But it was too much of a delay for me because it felt like. It seemed like his magnetic powers only lasted for about four to five minutes.

Oh, man. You see, that's the thing is you're just not getting the extent of earnest magnetic powers. Remember when he gets. I mean, his power set is pretty clear. Well, he gets cocky at the end, and then it dribbles out.

Leslie Arfin
It's like. It is only for two minutes. Yeah, it's like a guy who dribbles. Out and turns into fairy dust. Yeah.

Paul Scheer
Yeah. That was an odd moment where he just stares at the. The dust at his feet. I felt sad for him there. It's like a guy who takes a viagra and comes immediately.

Jason Mantzoukas
That's what I felt like. Just so you guys know. Also, all these movies were written. Oh, I guess this one wasn't. But were all directed by John R.

Paul Scheer
Cherry, who worked as. This one was. It was written by Charlie Cohen. Normally, John R. Cherry would write them as well.

Jason Mantzoukas
Jrc. Jrc. He was from the ad firm of Carden and Cherry. That's so interesting. I didn't know about this ad advertising.

June Diane Raphael
I'm actually kind of creeped out by. I remember him doing all the commercials, but I'm kind of creeped out by the fact that he's so like, it's like the Geico caveman. It's like, you know, it's. It really is. He is a creative.

So you never find out, like, how earnest came to be, who he is. Like, what the. He's just a janitor. He's southern. He's.

He's not well, right. Well, at moments, he seems really right. Here's the thing I will say. In this movie alone, I see numerous things that happen to him that could cause him to have severe brain damage. So if in the earlier movies, those things happen as well, I'm getting, like.

Paul Scheer
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Leslie Arfin
He doesn't have, like, a fantastical world. No, he's a janitor. His house is really dumpy. His house looks so trash. See on true detective in that final episode when they find it with the.

Jason Mantzoukas
Yellow King, I would be so much. As the Yellow King's death cave. And he does the voices like the fucking yellow King guy. He does. Oh, my God, that's amazing.

I would love it. I would love it if Carcosa was instead that mousetrap style Rube Goldberg machine rather than just sticks and twigs. Oh, please, someone make a true detective boaster with Earnest on it. I wanna see that. Well, it seemed also that he was doing his bathing and, like, general hygiene stuff.

June Diane Raphael
At the bank? No, in the washing machine. That was down in his house. Yeah, that's the basement of his house. But I'm really confused about that because then he.

There's the next scene where he gets out of the drive, gets out of the truck. No, no, he gets out of the truck with Chuck and Bobby and walks into his house. Yeah, he lives next door to them. Remember, he gets the jury notice and runs to the house next door to. Tell them, I know, but he.

Jason Mantzoukas
And they are shooting at him indoors. Henderson cleans up before he. Before he goes home. Oh. Oh, you may be right.

June Diane Raphael
Because it was amazing. It was in, like, a locker room that he would have fashioned. Yes. That's why. Cause there's probably no shower there.

Paul Scheer
So he's like, oh, maybe what I'll do is I'll build a giant washing machine and a giant body blow dryer. It's a real impression. Here's the weird thing about that washing machine. It's a washing machine, like, for clothes. For clothes.

June Diane Raphael
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It's for a man to shower. Which he showers in the jean jacket. Yeah. Which, ladies, did you find that sexy or what? Cause he had no shirt on.

Jason Mantzoukas
Was this dude doing it for you? I didn't even notice that it was. That was like the total. That was totally normal to me, that he wouldn't ever take his shirt off if I saw him without his. I thought that was a good choice.

Leslie Arfin
That he lose my mind. Oh, man. I couldn't make. I really heads or tails of almost anything. The characters that I loved were Chuck and Bobby.

June Diane Raphael
And their lifestyle, their relationship was pretty fascinating. Yeah. They had a camo van. They were shooting guns in the house. They had a lot of hand signals.

Were they brothers? Those hand signals were brothers.

Jason Mantzoukas
I think so. Well, they're like. It's like a Burt and Ernie thing. Okay. Oh, I gotcha.

Oh, yeah. I had Laurel and Hardy. But now I wanna talk about when Ernest goes to jail. Representative of our respective ages. I think when Ernest goes to jail, it seems like he is put in this prison, and the prisoners are automatically angry with him.

Paul Scheer
It's like, you're gonna get what's coming to you inside and out, which is. That's an awful thing to say to anyone. Yes. Cause why would you wanna hurt this poor man? Then they had his back in prison, and people were scared of him.

Leslie Arfin
Cause they thought he was bad. Well, then. But then the one guy who was from raising Arizona, that guy, like, was helping him escape two scenes later. Well, everybody thought he was Nash. Right?

Paul Scheer
But no, the guys in the prison knew he wasn't Nash. No, the raising Arizona guy, their version of Chuck and Bobby. Right. Those guys had to continue to support. Had to support Earnest.

Jason Mantzoukas
Real earnest, as bad earnest. Otherwise the bad guys in prison would come after them. That's why they make him win the arm wrestling. That's why they. Cause otherwise they think they know that they are weak now.

June Diane Raphael
Yes. All right. Yeah, but the reason why I think raising Arizona ultimately sided with Earnest was because he was racist. He had a confederate flag hung up in his room. Yes, in his prison room.

Paul Scheer
Yeah.

Jason Mantzoukas
When Ernest was his dorm mate. No, it's true. Ernest at one point, is on a floral printed recliner in the prison cell. So it did seem more like a room. Oh, talking about the reveal of evil Ernest.

Paul Scheer
They hide the fact that he looks just like Ernest for a long time to. No. For, like, 30 minutes. Yeah. For no dramatic effect, I don't think.

Cause it's like, it's clearly earnest, but it's like, who is this guy gonna be? And he's, when they finally reveal it, he's, like, washing his face, and he pulls down his towel. Shaving a beard. I know. Oh, he had a beard.

June Diane Raphael
I don't know. I think so. Oh, I thought that they were. That's the whole idea. They're not fantasy.

Jason Mantzoukas
Why even invent that backstory? You don't. It's unnecessary. You know what? I didn't have that fantasy.

Leslie Arfin
Now I do. Right. Wait, wait. No, no, no. If he had a beard, then he wouldn't look like bad earnest.

Jason Mantzoukas
Bad earnest with a sexy beard. That's why he had to shave. It would be weird. Why did you shave your ears? Categorically no evidence to suggest he had a beard in this movie.

June Diane Raphael
Is there a hair? There's none. What do we introduce? He pulls down, like, a hot towel. Like he's just cleaning himself.

Leslie Arfin
That's a hot shave. Why wouldn't they show you him with the beard? And then that would have been a better reveal. Like, oh, does this guy look like Ernest? I'm not sure.

Paul Scheer
No. Because his voice was so different as bad Ernest. Yeah, that one kind of just sounded like that. The ladies know. The ladies know the backstory.

June Diane Raphael
I think they handled that just right. Wait, I wanna do, I wanna tell you why the electric chair. Yes. Was my favorite part. Please.

Leslie Arfin
Because it is the most powerful electric chair in the world. And every time he gets electrocuted, he goes. And I really liked that.

Paul Scheer
That sounded like, made me laugh too, really hard. It went on way too long. And he's not even really in the electric chair. They didn't put the thing on his hands. His hands aren't strapped down, so he's impervious to electricity.

Leslie Arfin
I can do that for days. Here's what weird, though. I just pictured him in an ADR room just, like, doing that nonstop. There was somebody working. There was a worker working on the electric chair before he sat in it.

Paul Scheer
Which I thought was raising Arizona, like, trying to help him get out. Wow. But it was not. That theory is blown to shit because we've been alluding to it. I want to play the clips of Ernest doing all the impressions.

This. He gets a chance to hear the ring. This is Ernest in prison. In prison, trying to figure out how Nash sounds. Nash did how to be tough.

Yeah, exactly. Here you go. Hey, you, Murdoch. You're the guy that shot my brother, right? And I'm the guy that's going to shoot you, eh?

All right. Of all the gin joints and all the cities and all the world, you've got to waltz into my place, shoot my brother. Kids love a hunter bogart impression. I don't think this for kids. You're the guy that.

Wait, wait. I think you're.

You don't think this is children? Who is it for? Really feel that way. I'm gonna just say that there were. Things in there for the parents.

A daytime Emmy award was. He was given a daytime Emmy award for an outstanding performer in a children's series for Haver. And it's earnest. So I would argue that because he won an Emmy as his character, it. Is gotta be a kids movie.

Leslie Arfin
It is definitely a kids movie. We're not debating this. We're not debating that. This is a child's movie. This is a.

It's Jason. You know that June is. Wait, June. Don't look at me. June just said, I don't think this is a kids movie.

June Diane Raphael
It doesn't have that sort of levity, though. As we're going through talking about this stuff, I realize that this may be the issue with this movie. Every movie has been written and directed by John R. Cherry. This is the only one that was not written by him.

Paul Scheer
So maybe they are. They gave up. They gave up the reins of the storytelling and Ernest went a little bit south. Now, here's another thing. You talked about Laurel and Hardy a second ago.

John R. Cherry also rebooted Laurel and Hardy in the new Adventures of Laurel and Hardy. Oh, my God. For love of the money. The mummy.

For love of the mummy, now in. Earnest, goes to camp. Wait, click on that. Who played Laurel and Hardy? Let's see.

Jason Mantzoukas
It wasn't these two guys. It wasn't these two guys. Bronson? No, Bronson. Brunson.

Pinchot. He's in it as Stanley. Oh, yeah, I guess. Yeah. San Laura.

Paul Scheer
Oh, and the other guy. The guy from this movie. The other guy from the movie. The other. No, the security guy.

Jason Mantzoukas
The portly guy. The portly guy. I liked him a lot. Chuck. That's amazing.

Leslie Arfin
Chuck. Chuck. Chuck. Chuck and Bronson Pinchot were Laurel and Hardy. I want to see this.

Jason Mantzoukas
We now are doing that. Yeah. I think you guys need to do this. The new Adventures of Lauren Hardy. I love it.

June Diane Raphael
Well, guys haven't even gotten to Ernest flying. Oh, yeah, that's right. If you think there isn't flying in this movie, there is a little bit of a precursor. Yeah. For slam Dunk Ernest, I would imagine.

Jason Mantzoukas
But wait, there's more. Yes, he does fly at the end. Cause again, his powers are a little unruly. It seems like he's able to float. And also his rubber.

Paul Scheer
Because in the end fight scene, the bad earnest is punching. And by the way, I had a problem with this bad earnest, because when they finally have their showdown, they're both dressed exactly the same. So I figured that was all just to save money on set. Like, he did his good earnest then walked over to the other side of the set and did his bad earnest. There was also.

Jason Mantzoukas
No. I kept expecting there to be the moment of, like, shoot him. No, shoot him. I'm the one, you know, like, that beat. And it would have been great there to see bad Ernest playing good earnest.

Exactly. Yeah, I would have been. Yeah. But no, we didn't have that satisfying moment at all. And earnest just knocked him out somehow with maybe the buffer.

Leslie Arfin
I don't know. The buffer comes back here. But the weird thing about bad earnest, as I think about it, is bad earnest was just a. He was about to go on death row. He was.

Jason Mantzoukas
He was about to be killed. He was about to be killed when he was still in jail. Right. As bad earnest. Correct.

June Diane Raphael
I found it amazing. I mean, I guess this is what happens a lot, but I found it amazing that as soon as he got out of jail, he was staging a huge heist. You know, it's who he is. Well, he just. Who he is.

Paul Scheer
But he had a great. He had a great in. Like, Ernest worked at a bank. I know, but my God, he was almost put to death. You thought he would see the era of his ways.

June Diane Raphael
Yeah. You think given this second chance, he has now put earnest on death row, and you think he should just go up on the straight and narrow? Well, if I were him, I would just be so happy to be alive. Well, here's the deal, though. He's gotta be alive.

Leslie Arfin
Why did he get out of jail and, like, not have sex with somebody immediately? Well, he tried. He tried with Charlotte. He tried with Charlotte Bacon later. Yeah, it took a little bit of time.

Yeah, he doesn't do anything fun. Get a burger. Yeah, you're right. He just goes right into. Well, I mean, he goes to the.

Jason Mantzoukas
Is that your idea of fun? Get a burger. Get a burger and a shake. Well, like, I mean, he gets out of court really late night it's a late night court session where they release the jury. It's pitch black, and jury went on.

Leslie Arfin
A field trip to the jail. Okay, what was the justification of that? Why the man fell down. Oh, no, no. I'm sorry.

Jason Mantzoukas
I know this. I do know this. Okay. On the trial, the guy on trial who has a mohawk mister t looking guy, he realizes he's also wearing a. Very angular, brightly colored suit.

He realizes that Ernest looks just like Nash, and he whispers to the lawyer, it looks just like him. We can do this. And the lawyer says, stands up and is like, I think the jury needs to go to the prison in order to see the circumstances in which this happened. Yes, to facilitate the switcheroo. I see.

Leslie Arfin
Wait, say that again. Cause I was basically, I wasn't paying attention. I was thinking, again, this movie's racist because the black guy was on trial. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, what?

Jason Mantzoukas
Yeah, no, this was nothing but a scathing indictment of our prison systems, which incarcerate, like, an abnormally high ratio of black men to white men. And also, it's shocking. I mean, that's what. And that is the subtext, and that. I mean, you always are gonna get that.

Paul Scheer
You get that in some earnest. You get that in Ernest, the army, you get all those things. And then, not to mention, you know, I don't know anything about Ernest goes to Africa, but, yeah, I can. The tagline to Ernest goes to Africa is, Africa will never be the same.

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Ernest goes to camp made $24 million right out the gate. That was in 90 87. Ernest goes at Christmas made 29 million. Ernest goes Christmas oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Saves Christmas.

Leslie Arfin
I know the number for jail. Go for it. 25. 25. That's the third one.

Paul Scheer
Right? What? Then all of a sudden, Ernest scared, stupid drops. That goes to 14. You know why?

Okay, you know why? Because I think if I'm into the earnest movies, and I'm like, uh oh, he's even dumber in this one. And people didn't want to see, like, a scary, earnest movie. But then this is where everything goes downhill. Cause these movies are made in 87, 88, 90.

So at 25 million for jail, huge, scared, stupid. 14. Then earnest rides again. 1 million. Oof.

Jason Mantzoukas
Wow. People. And now, what would you think, Ernest? What year? Wait, what?

Paul Scheer
93. So this has now been eight years. Yes. Of making an earnest movie. What would you guys think earnest rides again is about?

Just cause I'm Ernest. Rides again. Rides again. It's a western. Okay, what do you think?

Leslie Arfin
A motorcycle. Okay, June, do you have an a? Guess. I was gonna say, he's like, it's not, like, totally a western, but he's a rodeo guy. No.

Paul Scheer
He unearths a huge cannon that contains the crown jewels of England. What? He unearths. He unearths a cannon. Yep.

Jason Mantzoukas
Crown jewels of India. Yep. That's. Who wrote that one? Don't know.

Paul Scheer
Did. JRC. That was JRC. Come on. Can we get him on the phone?

Leslie Arfin
Yeah. Yep. I want to talk to JRC. I want to talk to him too. That is.

Paul Scheer
Yeah, that is. That's. You know what? Here's the thing. I can imagine that in the other movies that are kind of more colorful and bright.

He befriends a history professor and finds a revolutionary war cannon and must protect from others who want the precious jewels inside. There it is. What it's gonna say is that Ernest has a special shot, a special camera move. It's like, ernest Cam. Where he's right on.

June Diane Raphael
Yeah, yeah. And I can imagine the other movies, it really works because they're probably brighter and well lit and outside and more colorful. But when he's in prison, shot like that, it's a little scary. Yeah, I don't like. Is that supposed to be the Verne cam?

Jason Mantzoukas
Vern cam? I think so. Oh, yeah. Cause those were. The commercials were like, hey, Vern.

And he would come right up into frame. Yeah, yeah. I don't. But they didn't talk about Verne in this movie. No.

Paul Scheer
At all. Did they talk about Verne in the office? Verne died in the first one. What? I'm just kidding.

June Diane Raphael
Did anyone else notice that the security guard. I think it was chuck the bigger guy. When he was screaming in the last sort of bank sequence, his scream sounded like a horse's neigh. Oh, I didn't see. I know.

Did you hear that? No, I did not hear that. I don't remember. But he's doing it. I could have knocked it out.

Jason Mantzoukas
I care about talking about the fact that he flies in the movie. I don't know what he said. He's electrocuted again in the bank. You know, what does powder fly? I thought he levitate.

Maybe he did. Guys, I'm just David Blaine style. I'm doing more reading about Jim Barney, and he did a lot of drama. He did a, he was one of the rebels in a midnight movie called Xisto. Then his last movie was in a Billy Bob Thornton feature called Daddy and them, where he played Uncle Hazel.

June Diane Raphael
I'm not surprised. And he was arrested for murder and that. And, yeah, he's done a lot. Yeah, he's done a lot of more serious roles. He wanted to.

Jason Mantzoukas
He had to. I mean, he had the training. I think he had the looks. You guys can admit, though, the looks for drama. It's fine if you don't think that he's a sexy dude, but he's a good actor playing bad, earnest.

Paul Scheer
Yeah, I actually think he's a talented actor. Sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

Jason Mantzoukas
No, I'm only saying I don't think he's sexy. Did Ernest have any children who did? Jim Varney? No, he was twice divorced. Both of his marriages did not work out, according to this.

Leslie Arfin
I wonder who's the heir to the Varney estate. Well, I know that someone in his family is trying to relaunch the earnest franchise in 2000, 920 twelve. They tried to relaunch the son of Ernest. Did they do a movie with them? They're talking about it right now.

Paul Scheer
It's a tentatively tied. Who would play son of Ernest? Well, you got it. I think his nephew wrote a book about him. Yes, he did.

Leslie Arfin
Maybe it was to be. The presumption would be that Ernest had sex. I know. Oh, yeah. Because it would be the son of.

I'm not comfortable. Who is it? Is it Miss Charlotte? No. Somebody later, I'm sure.

Paul Scheer
All right, so obviously we had opinions about this movie, but there are some people out there that have a different opinion. So now it is time for second opinions. Second opinions? Second opinions. They're not your first, but they're gonna be a second.

These are five star reviews culled from Amazon.com. These are people who loved Ernest so much. Now, I'll be reading their reviews. Here we go. Brilliant and executed out of style by DSG.

If there's one thing I got from this movie, and I have it on DVD, it's that even idiots can save the day. So don't ever doubt an idiot, you know? Cause he or she might be the one that saves your life someday. Brilliant script, funny as nails movie. Great actors and actresses.

Jason Mantzoukas
I was gonna say nails aren't funny. Five stars. Now coming up to my favorite review here. If that's your takeaway. If the takeaway is idiots might save your life, that's a bad lesson learned.

Paul Scheer
I think it's great. This one is called Super Earnest by John Ryzack. He goes, I need a laugh from time to time. Ernest is good for that. Done.

Five stars. Now, this is my favorite review because it actually opens up the field a little bit. Favorite, Ernest. But they cut the DVD. This is by empty p.

The only problem I have with the DVD is I used to have this on VHS. But sadly, when it died, I bought the DVD and was horrified to find out. They cut two scenes. The first scene I didn't mind so much, it was when Nash's girlfriend came and visited Ernest in jail. But then they cut the very final conjugal visit.

Yes. I don't know that this is a kids movie. And they goes, and they also cut the very final scene of the movie. The DVD ends when Ernest falls out of the sky, got burnt to a crisp, and says, the famous line, I. Came, I saw, I got blown up.

The real ending was after that. Cause I did think the ending was a little bit abrupt. I was surprised. It goes, the real ending is after that. When we see Ernest has finally got that clerk's job that he wanted while sitting at his new desk, he's shocked by the computer and becomes magnetized again, and the filing cabinets start chasing him.

It was a much better ending. Yeah, that's a way. Why would you cut the. Why did he cut that, I wonder. Yeah, he needed to achieve his dream at the end.

Yeah. Just to say I came, I saw, I got blown up. I was like, who made that decision that they didn't want to have him? Maybe they forgot to shoot it. Didn't want to rebuild the set.

Leslie Arfin
Like it. That's crazy. Or. No, no, they did shoot. No, they did shoot.

Paul Scheer
It got shot. Just kidding. And they're also, there also a bunch of edits. There's a bunch of edited scenes on YouTube where, like, where the evil earnest goes and has a scene with the evil bank manager, and he's really cocky, but boy, oh, boy. Would you guys recommend seeing Ernest goes to jail?

Jason Mantzoukas
I really would not. No. You know, I genuinely would say there are better, worse movies that we've done. Than Ernest goes to jail. This was not enjoyable.

June Diane Raphael
I mean, unless you want to watch it for bad, earnest. Oh, for drinking our nervous. For drinking our purpose. You mean why I still watch episodes two of true detective for the ladies? Yes.

Leslie Arfin
Wait, did you. Can I just ask you. Yeah, please. Ernest goes to camp first. Funny.

Paul Scheer
I don't know. I haven't seen it since I was a kid, but I loved it when I was a kid. Yeah, I loved that Ernest character, but I stopped following him in the theaters after Ernest goes to. I was more of a where's the beef guy. You know, I was always following her.

Career, and, I mean, she made some great movies. Some solid, solid movies. Yep. Where's the beef? In space.

Oh, so good. Well, Leslie, thank you so much for joining us. Do you have anything you want to plug? Anything you want to talk about? No.

No. Jason. Yeah. No, not really. June ask backwards is on Netflix.

Leslie Arfin
Oh, yeah, I saw that. Netflix and Hulu for free. I do want to say this. They played a good game. We won.

Jason Mantzoukas
How I met your mother has gone off the hill. Yes. And that was our great rivalry. Yes. H I m y m versus.

Yes. Versus h d t g m. Guess who's still on the air. We are to this day. How did this get made?

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Paul Scheer
And guess what? We're not gonna let you down at the ending. H I y d is coming out. Yes. Yes.

Okay, well, that'd be a whole new rivalry. They'll have to come up and see if they're gonna. Oh, we got your number. Greta Gerwig. We're coming for you.

Boom. Bring it. Bring it.

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Matinee Monday: Ernest Goes To Jail

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