Second Chance Players + Ranks Alive, Burning Questions! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/7

This episode dives into a detailed analysis of fantasy football players who are perceived as having a second chance to prove their worth in the upcoming season, and examines various player rankings alive with potential for the 2024 season.

1. Marvin Harrison Jr. has significant upside and is ranked in the top ten receivers in initial projections, demonstrating potential high fantasy value.
2. Patrick Mahomes is surprisingly Jason Moore's top-ranked quarterback despite a previous downtrend, indicating a potential bounce-back year.
3. Evan Ingram is seen as a controversial pick due to previous inconsistencies but is ranked high based on the volume of vacated targets.
4. Rookie Jaden Daniels shows promise with his rushing abilities, placing him just outside the top twelve quarterbacks.
5. The importance of keeping projections updated with the latest player moves and conditions is emphasized to maintain accurate and useful fantasy rankings.

1. Introduction and Sponsors

The episode opens with sponsor messages followed by a humorous introduction from the hosts. Andy Holloway: "Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright."

2. Player Discussions and Rankings

In-depth discussion of various players' performance, potential, and ranking for the upcoming season. Jason Moore: "I was genuinely, wholeheartedly shocked when I finished my rankings and saw that Patrick Mahomes was my quarterback one in six point scoring formats."

3. Rookie Focus

A specific focus on rookie players entering the league, their expected impact, and fantasy values. Andy Holloway: "He's my quarterback 13. Okay. I got him at 14. When you have the ability to rush for, you know, 850 yards and five plus rushing touchdowns, that's usually going to be a top twelve quarterback."

4. Questions from Listeners

The hosts address listener questions about player rankings and decisions. Listener Question: "Do you guys believe in Chargers wide receiver Quinton Johnston?"

5. Closing Remarks

Summary of discussions and a final roundup of the fantasy draft kit offerings. Andy Holloway: "Ultimate draftkit.com the best ball rankings normally launch on June 1."

1. Update Your Draft Kits: Ensure your fantasy draft kit is up-to-date with the latest projections and rankings as player conditions and team dynamics change frequently.
2. Monitor Rookie Performances: Pay close attention to rookie camps and preseason games to gauge the potential impact of new players.
3. Value High Upside Players: In your drafts, consider players with high upside potential, especially those who might have underperformed in the previous season but have a favorable setup for the coming year.
4. Consider Player Fit: Analyze how players fit into their respective teams and schemes, not just their individual talent, to better predict their fantasy output.
5. Stay Informed on Player Conditions: Keep an eye on injuries, trades, and off-season training reports, as these can significantly affect player performance and fantasy rankings.

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Andy Holloway

Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright.

Jason Moore

Oh, welcome in Tuesday, May 7, Jason Moore, Andy Holloway with you, the fantasy footballers podcast.

Andy Holloway

You know, Andy, you, uh, you came in, you had a. You had a. You had your pointer finger up, like, you had a. Yeah, you had a point to say, but I'm telling you, from my perspective, the way you were holding that hand up. Yeah.

Jason Moore

Flipping you off. I thought you were flipping the camera off. I was like, what's happening? Welcome in YouTube. Okay, well, Indy pulling out his nose.

No, as a pointer finger, it was kind of directed at you, like, hey, Jason, it's you and me today. Best friends day. Mike is sick as a dog or sick as a bear. Sick as a bear. Jay Griz sitting in today.

Yeah. So it's you and I, and that's okay. I think that makes for a great show. You and I have also just completed our initial run through of the 2024 stat projections for every single offensive player in the National Football League. Yes, we have.

Andy Holloway

It was a grueling labor of love, and this is only the first go through. We'll. We'll obviously be updating things nonstop. When superstars like Jalen Guyton sign, right. Certain places, but Odell Beckham.

Well, I mean, I said superstars, so. Yeah, I mean, it's. It. But it. It took a lot of work, and it's nice to have the first set done.

I got away to a cabin and just, like, hunkered down because I'm very ADhd. It takes me too long. If there's any noise, any movement. And I have different processes for completing our statistical projections. Yes, very different.

Yeah, mine is really good. Slow. Mine is also very slow. Yeah, I'm not. I think it is good.

Jason Moore

I think your process is good. It's just that sometimes you end up in this place of desperation because normally I am done before you, and that was not the case this year. You started very early. This was the first. Got away to a wilderness.

Andy Holloway

Yeah. Our. Our 10th year doing this show. This is the first year I was the first one to finish because of the wilderness. I think the Woodland creatures, they helped.

They certainly did. Yeah. So you and I, we went through our first run through. We've been. It's fun when you get done stating out all these players, or at least the first, you know, draft of that, which all goes into the ultimate draft kit.

Jason Moore

That's where all of our rankings come from. All of our projections and everything are in there. It's also what allows your custom scoring formats to, you know, if. If you do things where, you know, whether you're six point or four point or you do a extra bonus for tight ends at this, you know, whatever your league is, you can plug in your stats and we have this. The statistical backing.

Yeah. So you can. Yeah, exactly. Contort the rankings to your league style. That's part of the UDK's customization.

But it's fun when we kind of get done with it and we look like, for example, my first run through, I have Marvin Harrison Junior, somebody that people are very excited to see. He gets static. I have him at number nine and I think you've got him. I have somewhere around 16. I have him a little bit lower right now.

Andy Holloway

Yeah, I believe he's my wide receiver. 17 in half PPR scoring. His upside is through the roof, though. I don't blame anyone taking him as a top ten wide receiver. Is there a name on your initial rankings at any position that you are embarrassingly high on and would have preferred?

Jason Moore

I didn't bring it up so you could adjust it and then come back and tell me the number later. So this is the. This is the weirdest one. It's, it's, it's so, so, so silly to say that you're embarrassed to have this guy number one because he literally might be the best player of all time in the NFL, but I was genuinely, wholeheartedly shocked when I finished my rankings and saw that Patrick Mahomes was my quarterback won in six point scoring formats. Now obviously he's been there before, so that's not like an outlandish thing.

Andy Holloway

But, you know, he was the quarterback eight last year. The, the system that they've been employing is more dink and dunk. And while I do think he's upgraded his weapons, I was just. I was surprised to see that's how it landed. But, you know, part of my process is going through the entire t of the teams and seeing there's higher the entire tee of the teams because, you know, I love a good high t team.

And when you looked at Marquis Brown added to this team and you look at Xavier worthy added to this team, and you still have all the other cast of characters, you know, possible suspension notwithstanding, for rushy Rice. It all compiled up to where I think Patrick Mahomes is going to have a bounce back season. Statistically, obviously he won the Super bowl, but for fantasy purposes, I'm more in on him. Especially when you combine that with the fact that because he had a down year, he's not going to be like last year he was in the second round of your draft. Most quarterbacks that you, you would define as a pocket passer require an outlier to high end touchdown season, which oftentimes is difficult to throw into your stat projections when you look at averages.

Jason Moore

So it's rare when a touchdown dependent type of quarterback ends up that high in the rankings. Mahomes is very much like worthy, much like Rogers was during his peak of projecting those kind of years. But I have him at three. My surprise, I have dac at four in six point scoring, which was. Was different.

And then I've Evan Ingram sitting at three at tight end. Yeah, that one, which, you know, is. Not part of my brand. No, you're very anti Ingram, and that is surprising. I've got Evan Ingram at my tight end, nine.

Andy Holloway

I think I just look at. I know he's where I normally like to keep him. Yeah. You know, a low end tight end. One where it does.

Where he doesn't matter. No, low, low end tighten. One matters. And so he's coming off a season where he almost set the, you know, reception record. Played a lot of games without Christian Kirk in that underneath area of the field where I think that boosted him up.

Obviously, there's a ton of targets vacated here between, you know, the, the departures of Zay Jones and Calvin Ridley. So he's, he's an interesting player to debate. Where is Jaden Daniels on your first run through? When you talk about, let's do the rookies. Sure.

Jason Moore

Rookie quarterbacks. Jaden Daniels. Jaden Daniels. I was surprised. He is just outside my top twelve.

Andy Holloway

He's my quarterback. 13. Okay. I got him at 14. Yeah.

When you have the ability to rush for, you know, the ability to rush for 850 yards and five plus rushing touchdowns, that's usually going to be a top twelve quarterback. It's just hard to, you know, we're never going to, you know, Jalen Hurts ran for 15 touchdowns last year. You're never going to project a number like that. And so that's why also in the UDK we've got an upside meter in there so you can see like not just like here's what should happen, here's the most likely outcomes. But also who's got the chance to just go nuclear?

Who can explode? Who are you willing to take your shots on? And that's out of ten. What's your upside for Jaden Daniels? Out of ten for Jayden Daniels.

Let me pull. I have it while you pull it. I have them at eight on the upside, which is very high. I have. Let me see.

I have them at eight and a half. So you suck. No, I have the low end of the upside. Yeah, I'm just high end of the like he's got more upside than you do. No, you do feel that way.

Jason Moore

And just mathematically. Caleb Williams at 18. So Caleb Williams I still see with very, very high upside but with because. Of the weapons he finds himself in a great situation, has as much talent as anybody that's been coming in. The only obvious difference for fantasy is he's not the, you know, 500 plus rushing yard type of guy.

Andy Holloway

And because fantasy scoring is stupid and broken for quarterbacks where they score more for running than they do for passing for the exact same amount of yards, it's just always unfair. You've got that very succinctly prepared. It's just. Do we need to. Just a drop.

Jason Moore

I think I want a drop that just where he can just explain his disdain. Yeah. It's not going to change. No, I know it's not. Just move on, brother.

Andy Holloway

I've moved, I play moved on. Given my analysis, moved on. But I still. Look, sometimes you need an agent for change. And I will try to speak truth into the darkness.

Jason Moore

Now, we didn't add testosterone levels to the rankings this year. Upside meters and risk meters. There's no high t because that would be the Chargers this year. Right. But I saw you put Justin Herbert.

You had him a little higher than maybe. Yeah, maybe you thought he was going to be. That was definitely maybe far more surprising than Patrick Mahomes because right now I've got him as a top twelve quarterback. And obviously her Herbert is very talented, real world quarterback, but he's lost most of his weapons. And this is a team that's going to run the ball.

Andy Holloway

So, you know, for a pocket guy to really be up there, you've got to have 35 touchdowns. You don't see him throwing 35 touchdowns this year in this system with these. Weapons, but you have them in your top twelve. I do. I have them running the ball quite a bit more.

Jason Moore

Well, I do as well. I think what people need to realize is, like when you have rankings that go top to bottom, like to put Herbert there, that pushes other players out like a Jaden Daniels or a Tua or a Jared golf or whatever, Stafford. So, you know, they can be misleading at times when you have rankings that go top to bottom. Because I was talking to you about this this morning, rookie wide receivers, for example, my highest ranked is Harrison at nine. I've got neighbors at 17 and then Roma Dunze down in the forties right now.

But that doesn't mean that Roma Doonze is not going to be worthy of your roster just because he's outside the top 36. A lot of the times these players, running backs, wide receivers at the rook, you know, when they're rookies, they earn snaps opportunities. Second half of the year can be a lot stronger than the first half of the year. So there's nuance there. That's what upside factors into.

So I just thought we'd walk through a little bit of it, but yeah, Kyle's pointing out since 2014, 3.7 rookie wide receivers per season finishes top 36 options. So maybe it's not O'dons, a maybe it's McConkie. I've got. Maybe it's Roman Wilson. Yep.

Andy Holloway

I've got McConnell in my top 36 right now. So I believe I've got three rookies right now in my top 36. All of the player by player statistical projections. They launched with the UDK on June 1. Ultimate draftkit.com dot the best ball rankings normally launch on June 1.

Jason Moore

Best ball rankings are live right now. They're live today. People are playing it now. We've got them now. We need, we needed to get them out.

Andy Holloway

So we, we bring it to you, the people. So if you've got the UdK plus, boom, bam, check your rankings. You've got best ball rankings. That's right. And you can also get in on the Discord channel, the best ball discord channel.

Jason Moore

People talking all the time because you're playing your drafting right now, and the best ball primer comes out on June 1 as well. All right, quick question of the day, Jason. Oh, boy.

This one comes from Marcus. It's Marcus with a K. Marcus. Mark us Marcus. It's not how we spell it over here.

Well, he's from Germany. Oh, bonjour. Thanks for the great work. Do you guys believe in Chargers wide receiver Quinton Johnston? I don't get why so many people seem to quit on him.

Seems to put in a ton of work and a new coaching staff could mean a fresh start. I don't know if the ton of work is correlating to the video circulating right now of him working out with Cardinals rookie phenom Marvin Harrison. Joe, man, don't, have you seen that? Yeah, I've seen that. Don't, don't use that as a video in favor of Quentin Johnston.

Andy Holloway

Watch those two guys go. They're both first round picks and it's like one of them looks like a sensational super route running gazelle and by. Comparison looks much better. Maybe it's just by comparison because you're running next to Marvin Harrison junior, but Quentin Johnson does not quite look as fluid. But let's talk about Quentin Johnston.

Jason Moore

There's a lot of people that invested in him. And dynasty leagues last year had some, I would say, headline catching drops, the kind of drops that were played over and over and over again on Twitter where people laughed. Mm hmm. And very consequential as well. Very.

Yeah. Yeah. When they happened, I, I went back and I watched every target and reception of Quentin Johnston last season. I heard tale of that. It took eleven minutes.

I don't know if that's a lot, but I don't think. That's not a lot. No, that's not a lot. That's the problem. But continue.

Andy Holloway

What did you see on. So I say that because what the film doesn't show is every play he's not targeted. And there were a lot of those. His targets per route run, 13.7%. That's 39th out of 42 1st round rookie wide receivers over the last decade.

Jason Moore

So didn't get targeted a lot. Low yards per outrun, 33 out of 42 in target percentage and had opportunity with Mike Williams going down. But I will say this, I watched every single play that he made on the entire year, every target, every drop, every PI call. Several of his drops came on plays where he did draw pass interference penalties. There were three real bad, real bad drops.

He did make big plays. He made hands, catches across the middle. He made plays down the field.

You know, there were back shoulder throws and some rapport he was building with Justin Herbert that I thought were pretty great plays.

So I thought it was better than the drops pervade. Like the story of opportunities, like when he made, when he got them. There were more plays that he made than I thought he did. But the question isn't going to be like that should be the given to me your first round wide receiver, you should make some plays. So question should be, how many opportunities are you getting to make them, you know, and then could he be the one?

Andy Holloway

Okay, so let me, let me ask you this to, to rewind just like 2 seconds into what you said, your first round wide receiver, let me give you a hypothetical situation. Okay. You are a first round wide receiver. You go to a good quarterback. Yeah.

And you are the number two in targets. Like, you are set. You're, you know, Jordan Addison last year is an example of this. First round wide receiver goes to a decent quarterback. He's the clear number two in the offense, but like, he's not on the bench, he's on the field.

Given just that generic thing, you're not a person. Not Quentin Johnson, not Jordan Edison. What stat line would you be expecting for a first round wide receiver on the field as the wide receiver? Two for a good quarterback. Awesome question.

Jason Moore

Let me come up with an answer for you. Yes, I did it. So you're on the field all, all season long. Is that all season long? Game one to 17.

Andy Holloway

Where would you, what number would you say you play 75% of the snaps. And what number would you need to be to where you said that's an okay rookie season? Yeah, I would say probably just a, a hair above what jason did last year because I don't feel like Jason's rookie season was. Jason was what, like 6650? About 750 to 800 yards.

Jason Moore

I mean, it's a 17 game season. Yeah. So 700, 700, 5800 yards and 60 catches. Okay, so 55 to 60 catches. Let me give you a sample of Quentin Johnson.

Andy Holloway

Now, Quentin Johnson got off to a slow start, but also Mike Williams got off to a slow finish, but the finish was without Justin Herbert. So that's not fair either. So you've got a rookie year in the beginning where it's not really fair. You're brand new your first couple games. Right.

The first couple of games of Justin Jefferson's incredible rookie season, he didn't play. And you had Mike Williams there the end of the year. No Justin Herbert. However, there was a six game period where he was the number two. Mike Williams was gone and Herbert was there.

Six games and he has a great quarterback. Here would be his. And for the record, he played 74% of those snaps. So he was on the. He was the wide receiver, too, for this team, setting up real nice.

Here's the total stat line. If he played that, that stretch for 17 games, it would have been 53 receptions for 504 yards and three touchdowns. So that would, that's not the end of the world. Not the end of the world is absolutely a dud, which is not surprising. Nobody's surprised.

Jason Moore

Very underwhelming. I would. But going. Jumping up to, you know, 67 to 70 receptions, 700, 800 yards and putting, you know, five or six touchdowns at six. 4220, that doesn't seem unrealistic with no Mike Williams, no Keenan Allen.

Andy Holloway

Yeah. So this is why I've got lad McConkie as high as I have him. Yeah. The highest there, right? Yes.

Not only because I believe in the talent, but Quentin Johnston has a role to play and he's still figuring out how to do that well in the NFL. He's, you know, going into a second year, I'm not betting well, I am betting against him, but I'm not like closing the door. I don't, I don't think that's a guarantee that he's, you know, he can't be better. But you did grab the handle. Oh, yeah.

Jason Moore

I'm like. And you're like closing the door. Right. But I'm like peeking out first. I'm like, is he going to make it in?

Andy Holloway

Probably not. I'm ready to shut it. But the thing is, is he was not a target earner. That's the biggest thing. He was on the field for 74% of snaps for that stretch and did not earn enough targets.

Like you said, 39th out of 42 1st round draft picks and targets per round run. That is objectively awful. I think that lab McConkey will be a target earner. He's going to be open in the spot where Herbert is expecting. And so that's why I've got Lad McCarthy coming in here and being immediately the number one.

You know, I've got Quentin Johnson with about 100 targets and I've got lab McCocky with 125. It's a good discussion. I haven't closed the door on Quentin Johnston. There were there one thing I didn't get to add from watching every single play. There were a number of plays where he did not achieve separation down the field.

Jason Moore

Thus no target usually, and it was mostly intermediate routes. It wasn't over the tops, down the sidelines, some of the bad drops. He actually had separation on those plays, and then they did involve him. Not enough underneath using the yards after the catch, but in the intermediate routes, not enough separation. Kind of Kelvin Benjamin esque in that sense.

Percentage chance. He's their number one fantasy producer at wide receiver. I have it, like, 20%. Yeah, exactly. 25%.

Andy Holloway

He's definitely not the leader for odds on favorite. I don't know if that helped producers alley over there. I know Papa Josh had some dynasty investment in Quentin Johnston. Have you? Yeah.

Do you see what we just said? As a pro Quentin Johnson or as an anti Quentin Johnson thing? He's on my team. I'm pro Quentin Johnson. But he didn't hear it at all.

Yeah, it's whatever you wanted it to be. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Quentin Johnson is not going to work.

Jason Moore

You don't think? No, I. There's. There's. There's ways that we can paint and narratives.

Andy Holloway

We can paint, but it's not gonna work. Yeah. Yeah, I know. You're probably right. At least the historical situation is not good.

Jason Moore

Dotson. Like, Josh Dotson, Laquan Treadwell, John Ross, Nikhil, Harry, Jalen Rager. Those are other rookie first rounders that. That are on the field and not earning targets. Yeah, that's the problem, is that he had opportunity.

Andy Holloway

If you sat behind someone and you got on the field for 2030, 40, 50% of snaps. Okay. But, like. Yep. Yeah.

Jason Moore

It's good for them that they weren't the Brock Bowers destination. Cause I think that would have made it easier for me to, like, the door would be locked, maybe. All right, let's. Let's take a quick break and come back with some news.

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News and notes from around the league.

Jason Moore

Not surprising to me, but the Steelers did decline the fifth year option for running back Najee Harris. I gotta be honest, I was a little surprised. Because you thought they liked him more than they liked him more than they should. Yes, it's 100%. It was not my opinion on Naji and that I think he should have the fifth year option.

Andy Holloway

I'm surprised that the Steelers didn't do it, you know? Very proud of you, Pittsburgh. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're a well run organization, and I think it does tell you something about Najee that is not a rosy outlook. You know, Najee has not been bad.

Jason Moore

No, Najee has not been what they thought he was. Both of those things can be true at the same time. Last year, Jalen Warren was the better running back in basically every metric. He had a ton of targets. Explosive run rate was 7% higher than Najee Harris.

Najee still gets into the end zone. And you and I talked before the show. Pittsburgh's greatest accomplishment in the draft was the offensive line in upgrading what Najee and Jalen Warren will have to work with. Slash, Cordero, Patterson. Thank you.

Arthur Smith. Yeah, and. And they got a quarterback upgrade. Say whatever you want about Russell Wilson and just fields. They're not great.

Oh, I will. But they're. They will threaten the defense more than Kenny Pickett did. And so that should help the running backs. Honestly, both of these guys, Najee and Jalen Warren, are huge winners after the draft.

Andy Holloway

You know, you want to talk about the sneaky veteran winners? It's not that they just didn't draft a running back, it's that they drafted no running back and totally improved the offensive line. I. This will probably be the nicest thing I've ever said, but if you want to get boring and take Najee later because nobody else wants to get boring, it'll probably help your team. Wow.

That is without a doubt the nicest thing you've ever said about you. You've been anti Najee as long as I can remember. He was the running back for his rookie year, running back 14 two years ago, and running back 21 this last year, I expect. Fun fact. Nobody has ever won a fancy championship with him.

That is actually inaccurate because Najee Harris is a second half of the year champion. They definitely won one the first year. Cause that was when Mitch Trubisky gave him like 9000 receptions. Dude, the last two years. And what, last year he was RB eight over the last half or something.

Yeah. And, and even two years ago he was unbelievable when it came to the second half. Sucked the first half, but the second half he was very good. He's going at RB 22 in best ball. That's about where he belongs.

Jason Moore

I was going to ask you. All right, we have a bunch of new players on new teams.

Andy Holloway

Mediocre signing of the week.

Jason Moore

Odell Beckham junior to the Dolphins. DJ Chark to the Chargers. By the way, DJ Chark put up better numbers than all of those Clinton Johnston season long numbers. So that one is something you could pay attention to because he's probably better than Quentin Johnston. Yeah.

Chase Claypool to the bills, Boston Scott to the Rams. And this morning Rashad Penny to the Panthers. And you said, well, maybe Miles Sanders is not long for that roster. Yeah, I mean they, they've got some dead cap to deal with if they were to get rid of Miles Sanders. But the fact that they drafted Jonathan Brooks, they weren't part of bringing Miles Sanders in.

Andy Holloway

Miles Sanders still has a big name. They're grabbing Rashad Penny. They've already got chuba there. It's like, feel like, you know, maybe, maybe a team is knocking on Miles Sanders door saying come on down. Either deal with dead cap or a dead running back.

Jason Moore

Cause he is dead back. I don't just remember this time last offseason, Frank Wright was the head coach of the Carolina Panthers and Miles Sanders was supposed to get over 4000 targets. So I want to, I wanted to bring this up in, not here, but I will specific to the Frank Reich when I was doing the stating and you know, and all of this, I was looking at the Panthers situation. And I like Dave Canales. I like what he did for Gino, for Baker, for this last year, for Rashad White.

Yeah. But last year at this time I did like Frank Reich. Like I thought Frank Reich was a good hires. Good for the offense, is good offensive mind. He has had success in the past.

Andy Holloway

Thought the Colts did him dirty. Now it was bad. It was very, very bad. But I don't think that he had the weapons. It's not like the Panthers got good when Reich was gone from the top down.

When organizations are run poorly. Whoever the coach is is set up for a harder time at succeeding. So I might. This is a David Tepper. This is a David Tepper comment.

This is David Tepper at the top. I know he came in and when he bought the franchise, it was like, all exciting. Cause he's got plenty of money. He's going to go hard. He's going to be aggressive.

That's exciting. Look, we're Suns fans. The Matt Ispia. We get this. We were excited.

Matt Ispia comes in and buys a team and wants to throw money around and make big trades, and it doesn't always work out. Sometimes you got to get out of the way. David Tepper seems very much in the way. So, like, I like Dave Kanellis. I like some of the moves they've made.

But if I have to bet on whether a franchise succeeds or loses, a lot of times I take that bet at the top. I've done that for years and years and years and years with the Browns, and most of the time it's worked out with the, like, you know. So teppering, your expectations. Oh, baby. Ten out of ten.

Swish. Teppering my expectations. Well done, Andrew. It's tough when you have a coach that you have a lot of confidence in. Yeah, I mean, it's a good point.

Jason Moore

Frank Reich, you liked him. Yeah. I mean, maybe that was the foolish part, and he's just, you know, not good, but he didn't get the chance to show it with tepper stepping in. All right, we have some mailbag questions to get through, which will be fun because we just did our rankings, so we'll be able to talk about it with kind of a deeper look on each of these players. Now, who's doing the mail back drop?

There ain't no mike. Oh, I believe. Put his hand up first. So, Papa Josh, it looks like it's on you, baby. Mailbag.

Andy Holloway

Not bad. For the record, that was pretty good. You're on camera right now. Show the people how you put your hand up first. Yeah, you touched your nose.

You're like, nose goes and you. I don't play by that rule. When the camera code, when the camera's on, I just like to roll the bus right over Josh. You go seniority over nose. Yeah.

Jason Moore

Yeah. All right. You did well. That was great on time, and it wasn't Brooks's, so pretty good. All right, let's jump in.

We got voicemail questions. We've got questions from IG, from Twitter. If you have one for the show, you go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com. There's a lot going on over there. Click the submit a question button.

You can also dial the voicemail hotline. We got voicemail questions today. 302464 TFF B. See, I got Brooks already weighing in and he said, josh is not allowed to do that again because he wasn't bad enough, which. Yeah, well, you might earn another shot to be bad.

Andy Holloway

Don't worry. All right, we do have a voicemail question. We'll kick it off with Luke from Maryland. Hey, Ballers, it's Luke from Maryland. And I had a question about Redraft.

Jason Moore

Full PPR. Who do you guys have having a better season, Christian Watson or Marquise Brown? Thanks. It's a good question. Hollywood Brown, if you don't know now, Kansas City chief and with the rookie Xavier, where they coming in and then rushy rice having some time away from the team, there will be an opportunity for impact for Hollywood Brown.

However, I have Christian Watson ahead of him. Really? Because I know, I know you're a Jaden Reed guy, and so I thought you would not have Christian Watson ahead of Brown simply because I thought you'd have Christian Watson behind in the, in the packers pecking order. Does that mean Christian Watson is for fantasy purposes at the end of the year, your number one packer, Christian Watson. And Jaden Reed are both very close.

I have Reed higher. He had a nose for the end zone last year. Obviously, Christian Watson missed a significant amount of time, have been very, very close. Now, when did he miss a significant amount of time? Was it every year he ever played?

Correct. Okay. No, I have them similar. I, you know, Hollywood Brown, we watched him out here in Arizona for the last couple of years, and it's just hard for me to imagine him coming into Kansas City on a one year deal with a bunch of other established dink and dunk players with Kelsey and Rice. And, you know, soon to be, you know, Tony will be back and Watson will be getting targets and Noah Gray and, you know, Xavier worthy getting worked into the lineup.

Like, it's just hard for me to look at that and say, hollywood's going to be a monster. I have him with about 100 targets. The problem is his catch rate last year was 50%. He was obviously bad last year, like, you watch him on the field and he was dealing with a heel problem. And so whatever excuses you want to say, but he was a bad wide receiver straight up, was unhelpful.

And there wasn't demand for him this offseason. No. As well. Which tells you something. So it's either it was the heel issue and maybe he's healthy because he's been a quality receiver in the past.

Andy Holloway

He's been a guy that has, you know, had good stretches, you know, great collegiate production, obviously. And now he has the better quarterback. You know, we might be in love with love, but he's no Patrick Mahomes. So if you want to go tiebreaker and take Marquise Brown, I'm fine with that. If you want to go tiebreaker and go, well, here's the ironic part, right?

Like if you're worried about the injury to Hollywood Brown, then you have to be worried about the injury history to Christian Watson. I'm worried about the, I just think the better younger player is the one I'm going to go with. I mean, Hollywood Brown in five years of playing fantasy football because that's what he does. He plays fantasy football. He's also, yeah, he's a huge fantasy football player.

Jason Moore

463-423-4651 so I don't care what the reasoning is at the end of the, at the end of the year, he, and he's had over 100 targets four of five years. So something just seems to go awry and his catch percentage is 63 50. I don't know, like he's going to make big plays for them, but he see their new mv's more than he is their new, you know, number one target. I think it's closer on the NBS site. So I have Watson.

I mean, neither of these guys. I have super high speaker zero. Yeah, neither of these guys do. I have super high either. But I'm, I'm going to go Watson as well.

Andy Holloway

Watson has been extremely explosive in the games he's played. The problem with Watson is he hasn't played a lot of games. You know, he missed pretty much half the season last year and in that. Stretch, soft tissue issues. Yeah.

He still had two top ten fantasy production games in that, that short time. He did play his rookie year, he missed a bunch of that. But when he got on the field, he was a dominator. When he had. What do you have?

Like he had like seven touchdowns in four games or something insane. So fantasy points in a half point. Looking at Green Bay and where you had them on your initial run through, I am curious cause we had this question about a month ago when we did our early ranking shows and we hadn't started them all out yet and it was gut. Where are they stats wise? What is your order between the, between the wide receiver core?

Jason Moore

Yeah. Watson, Reed Dobbs and Wicks, I would say. So I've got Christian Watson ahead, then Jaden Reed, then dobbs, then wicks. Okay. I have read significantly ahead, then once, then wants, and then wicks, then dobbs.

Andy Holloway

So what is your. What's. What's your target situation there? Just. Just targets.

Because obviously Watson will be total targets or percentage. Just total targets. I'm just 107 for Jaden Reed. Okay. I've got him at 89, which fewer than last year.

A little. Are you making a little? Well, Jaden Reed last year, his. His big games were when Christian Watson was gone. So the splits, when you.

When you look at those, it's. It was just different world of utilization for Jaden Reed. Not that he was any worse of a player, but. And. Yeah.

And there's a lot of mouths to feed in this offense. Yep. I agree that that one's one where I believe the talent of Reed and Watson will bring them to the top. But it's a. It's an interesting offense.

Jason Moore

It might be like their offense could be better than Kansas City's for sure. Kansas City's got a really good defense. I think that the. The Green Bay offense could be a better offense. That's weird to say.

I know. Cause when you said it, I wanted to be like, you're so stupid. Right. But I think it's true. They really could be.

Yeah. Instagram question from Brooke Sifu says, thoughts on Jahan Dodson with a new quarterback last year. He got his cardio in 635 routes run. That is the fifth most run routes in the NFL. You wouldn't have known it.

That's not a full time player. That's a super full time player. Four touchdowns on the year, four finishes. In the top 40, 49 reception. So I had a hard time with them because I.

You look at the depth chart at wide receiver and you're like, Dotson has to do something. Like, if Jayden Daniels is anything, Dotson has to have some production. Curtis Samuel had over 100 targets. What. Whatever.

It was 119 last year. He's gone. Yeah. Luke McCaffrey. Right.

Andy Holloway

Is a day to pick. Barely. It was like the supplemental day to. And he looks like he's literally listed on the depth chart as the third wide receiver right now. Yeah.

So it's like, as the third. So Jahan Dotson will be very, very involved. He's obviously going to be running routes. And the question is, will he be. Will he be targeted?

Because he wasn't last year and he was his rookie season. How many targets did you give him? 90. All right. I got him at 89.

So lucky there. And not as many catches as targets, that's for sure. Yeah. I mean, in the end, don't hear what I'm not saying. 90 targets is a good amount of targets.

I've got him as my very not so nice wide receiver, 69. So I'm not a huge believer. It's painful what's happened there, because from a promising perspective as a rookie, came. In on fire, double digit touchdowns. What if I, and if you had taken that and you said, you know what, before the season, I'm going to tell you that they're going to throw the ball more than ever.

Every team in football, I wouldn't have believed you, but okay, I'll say, let me, let me go with that mental exercise. They'll throw the ball more than any team in football. He had seven touchdowns in his rookie. Seven, yeah, in his rookie year, only playing twelve games. All right, voicemail question.

Jason Moore

Hi, this is Victoria from Maryland. I was wondering if you guys thought that Justin Fields will be a full time starter or Aaron Rodgers will retire. Which one's going to happen first? Thanks so much, guys. Love the show.

Okay, so that question kind of changed on me.

Justin Field, which will happen first? Justin Fields is a full time starter. Aaron Rodgers retirement. I'm going to go. Rogers retirement.

I don't think Justin Fields will be a full time starter. Now what do you mean by that? Do you mean somebody gets signs? No, no, no. Okay.

Andy Holloway

Because full time, full time starters and for a week full time starter is going into the season. That is their clear starter now, even if he doesn't play the whole season. But that's what it's saying. Yeah. And Carolina started that way and then Marcus Mariota in Atlanta got that chance.

Jason Moore

Those are what your dreams are right. Now for right now. Yeah. I think the dream, to be honest. And he's, this is last year of the deal.

Right? They didn't pick up the fifth. They didn't pick up the fifth year. So he's going to be a unrestricted free agent. No matter how good he plays this year, he's not going to be a franchise type of player.

Andy Holloway

So that means the best case for Fields is that they split time this year or whether because of play from Russell Wilson or because of injury to Russell Wilson, Fields comes in and is very, very good, wins games with the Steelers and gets the contract to be the Steelers starter next year. That's the only path. Rogers retirement is what I'm going with. I agree. Rogers retirement.

Jason Moore

All right. Another voicemail what's up, Ballers? This is Isaac. I have a question for you guys. I was wondering what are some of the biggest rules or your favorite rules around keeper leagues?

Andy Holloway

I'm thinking about doing a keeper league with my friends. I've only done dynasty so far. So I was just wondering what your guys opinions are on kind of the rules and stuff and how you go about starting a keeper league. Thanks, everybody. I've ever explained our keeper league to really enjoys the format.

Jason Moore

So do we want to get into that? Yeah, everybody I've ever played with our keeper format loves playing the format. So there's all. There's a thousand ways to play keeper leagues. When we first started our league, which is going into year 17, I believe we had, you could just take three keepers, you could keep them for a certain amount of years, maximum, and they could be at any position and give them back.

Andy Holloway

And that was, that was it. You don't. You don't lose a certain draft pick for the player. You know, it's not based on the round you got them. It's just who's your three favorite players from your team?

You get to keep them. Can't keep player more than three years. But what happened is Ladany and Tomlinson happened and guys, you know, just stacking running backs and hoarding, they train everybody, keepers. And that would reset their keeper numbers so that they were there permanently. And we decided to do something different that I'll explain.

Jason Moore

And it introduced a new fun day of the year for the league. And what we did is we, we have one franchise player. So you would consider that to be the, you know, the king of the keepers, so to speak, the number one franchise player, that player is locked on your team. If you've got Christian McCaffrey and you want to have him next year, you can franchise him. You just, you call him your franchise player, boom, he's on your roster next year.

You then select three more players from your end of season roster. They must not match the position of your franchise player. So if you franchise Christian McCaffrey and you had Bries hall on your team, he's not. He's not available. Correct.

And so then those three players go into what's called the keeper lottery for your team. And we have a special day every year that we jump on Zoom or people in person and literally your keeper lottery its names out of a hat. Two of them go to your team, back to your roster. One goes into the draft. So you could take a risk like Jason did this year.

He wanted to. I put breeze in my lottery. Yeah, because you, you had a couple running backs and you wanted the chance to keep them, both of them. And so that day is really fun every year. And it means that some really big talent drops back into the draft.

Somebody lost and Jamar chase this year. So big players go back into the draft. In fact, Al Borland sitting back there, inducers. Alley was on a nice five year run of losing the best player. He would take a chance every year and that player would always go back in the draft.

What was it? Mark Andrews, Nick Chubb? Can't remember all of them, but yeah, those were two you've lost. And then this year you finally lucked out. But that's how we do it in our keeper league.

Andy Holloway

Yeah, we had Justin Jefferson in the lottery this year. We got to keep him. Yeah, maybe stop putting such good players in the lottery, bro. But I had to franchise Bija. Yeah, all right.

But Owl is also a gambler. Yeah, he wants the upside. Well, we'll take a quick break, come back with some more questions. And I know Kyle's going to put up an article on the website, the fantasy footballers.com, that details our ballers league of record settings, which is that three keeper lottery plus the one franchise, everybody gets three back on their team. But it's fun.

Jason Moore

It's a, it's a fun way to do it.

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All right, this question comes from Kington, 33, who is the number one tight end off the board in 2024 in a standard scoring league? In a standard scoring league. Yeah, it's Kelsey. Yeah, it's Kelsey. Yeah, for sure.

Andy Holloway

You're just looking at in a standard scoring league, you're really, really touchdown focused. And yes, Sam Laporta had ten touchdowns as a rookie. That's great. But his utilization, you know, a lot of times you'll, you'll see all sorts of reports on what the expected touchdowns would be for a player based on where they were targeted on the field. And he very much out produced what his expectation was.

You've got Travis Kelsey getting the ball thrown to by Patrick Mahomes, getting little tap passes near the goal line. Like, I'd clearly put all my money on him having the most touchdowns this year. All right, I'm really excited about this next question because it, it's going to spawn another discussion. Dylan L. Writes in, he says if Kendra Miller was in this year's rookie.

Class, great way to look at it. Where would he fit into the rankings wise compared to the other running backs? So you're talking Benson and Brooks and Quorum, Marshawn Lloyd, Jalen Wright. He's just 21 years old. He missed nine games as a rookie, so he's kind of a rookie again.

Kendra Miller and he's, he's very, very New Orleans, New Orleans Saints behind Alvin Camara. To me, they're still the round two running backs in John and the Brooks, and I guess Trey Benson was a third rounder. Right. So you've got to talk about like, Trey Benson, Blake Quorum, Marshawn Lloyd, these are day two backs who are behind incumbents. And that is what Kendra Miller is.

He's a day two back behind Alva Camara. So he's in that tier. There was, I would certainly put him ahead of the Jalen Wrights. Ray Davis is those types. So I.

Jason Moore

Yeah. And Jamal Williams still rumbling around there, too. I watched one other players entirety of their snaps other than Quinton Johnson, and it was Kendra Miller. So I watched every play he made. And you, like last year, I did.

Andy Holloway

Like what I saw because I've seen it and it's good. Jonathan Brooks I have at 36 right now, Kendra Miller at 41, Benson at 44, Corum at 45. So to put it in my rankings, Kendry Miller is ahead of Benson and Quorum and Lloyd and Ray Davis. But for dynasty perspective, he's obviously, I think, Miller rookie, but he's one year less on his contract. Alvin Khmer ran for 3.9 yards of.

Carry last year, and he was an Alvin Camara as a, as a runner on the ground. An inefficient runner on the ground was so much better than Jamal Williams. Jamal Williams done like that, that little fun thing. It's over. Yeah.

Jason Moore

Yeah. He scored like one time. Rashad White averaged 3.6 on the ground last year. So I'm saying that because Rashad White was the RB seven, Camaro was essentially a top five, top six guy when he came back. Points per game for sure.

And so both of those players, they don't have to average high yards per carry to be the workhorse that gets all the passing game work and be great. But I'm telling, like, if Alvin Camaro went down, like, Kendra Miller can catch the football. Kendra Miller is. I rarely saw him go backwards. He had explosive plays in the passing game.

He's a very good player. He was disrupted by injury. I love him, and I just don't, I think from a sleeper like you, we can talk about it right now. Mike's not here. Like, Kendra Miller and the sleeper list on the UDK, for sure.

Andy Holloway

He should be there now. So the question here is, like, if he was in this year's rookie draft, I know for sure he's behind John of the Brooks, Trey Benson to me, those two guys, to me are. Yeah. To get back on the question. Yeah, I would you.

I know Jonathan Brooks will be ahead of him for you. I don't think I'd put, I think I put Marshawn Lloyd ahead of him. Okay. Marshawn Lloyd and I think. Okay, me, too.

So then it's Blake core, Marshawn Lloyd and Kendra Miller. Yeah. And then I think quorum and Wright and Davis and them are behind. I liked Kendra Miller's film more than either quorum or Lloyd, so I would go Kendra Miller behind Benson. Okay.

Jason Moore

There you go. So either three or four. Yeah. To answer the question. All right, another great dynasty.

Andy Holloway

Target to. Yeah. Now, like a trade for target. Had a, had a lousy rookie season. No one's like, oh, my gosh.

So excited for him right now. All right, this question from jason on X says, when should you do your rookie draft in dynasty? So you obviously wait until after the NFL draft. Some people don't, but that's so insane. I mean, you get guys like Troy Franklin going in the first round where, you know, once they fall in the draft, there's no reason to make a team play that way.

So do it after the NFL draft. Now, most of the leagues that I'm in, our rookie drafts are over. They are after the NFL draft and immediately after the NFL draft. It's like that thing is over. We give you like a, a chance to go to sleep, take a big breath, wake up and go.

Jason Moore

You should breathe during your sleep, though. I know. Yeah. I've got a machine that does. Yeah.

So, but to be clear, that's not a cPap. You get intubated every night. That's right. That's right. Full intubation.

Andy Holloway

I just, I prefer, enjoy the feeling. Don't do the work. Pure oxygen. Yeah. So, you know, I think you can lat, wait as long as you want.

You can go all the way up until it's draft season for else, you know, for, for redraft leagues. But the point of a dynasty league is to have fun in the offseason. So for me, I'm doing it right after the NFL draft. All right. Tyson in Florida.

Jason Moore

Dear goodness, help me find the Chargers RB one amongst Gus and Dobbins and Vidal Sassoon. Yes. Yes. Isaiah Spiller still there and Jared Patterson. And Elijah Dodson is really, really, really easy.

I mean, it's, it's the Gus bus. It's, it's absolutely the Gus bus. Vidal Sassoon. Vidal Sassoon is a, is an exciting rookie prospect simply because of his name. Because of his name, his landing spot.

He's a six round pick, but he's a 6th rounder. Like that people get every year. Most of these six round picks that go to a good spot, you're so excited for. And they don't do Jack squat. And Vidal Sassoon's not doing Jack squat.

Andy Holloway

More than likely, Kimoni Vidal is his name, but we call him Videl. Vidal says soon passed away at the age of 84 in 2012. The real Vidal, this is an honorary. You can take the name. Yeah, you, we honor you.

Vidal Sassoon. So the. That a top ten name of all. Time I'm loving just like human. Oh, just like.

You mean the name? Yeah. That's pretty good. Especially for someone that was, like, a salon guy. Like, he did, like, shampoo, like Vidal Sassoon.

Yeah. That can't be of his real name. I can't say the name and not laugh. It's spectacular. The real question about this backfield is JK Dobbins, because JK Dobbins is either healthy or he isn't.

That. That's it. He. If he. How much is he lying?

Jason Moore

A little or a lot. They paid him nothing. He has $50,000 in guaranteed money. What? His guaranteed money was reported as $50,000.

50,000? Yeah. Not 500,000 like the 50k. Yeah. Two, 10, and then a comma.

That's the kind of cut that you cut him. You don't even know. Exactly. You don't notice it on the budget. Sheet, but it also.

Andy Holloway

It works in both directions. Right. It says that this is not an investment they're making in him to be something special, but it also costs them absolutely nothing to move on. So if he doesn't have it, I expect them to be cut, which means if he makes the roster, he might be okay. And if both of these guys are healthy, if JK Dobbins, Gus Edwards are just.

They're ready to go, they're who they are at full strength, then. Then there is an argument that JK Dobbins is ahead of them. JK Dobbins was ahead of him when they were both healthy on the same roster with, you know, with Greg Roman. But the question is, how could he be healthy after an Achilles injury? Isaiah Spiller is going into year three.

Jason Moore

He's averaged 2.3 and 2.6 yards of carrying his opportunities. That's impressive. He is toast. Yeah, I mean, this is another one of those, you know, highly touted running backs who fell in the draft, and most of the time, highly touted running backs to fall in the draft do not work out. Braylon, Ed or Braylon Allen.

Yeah. No, Braylon Allen's got trouble. Yeah, it's. Well. And plus, he's behind Bree, so you.

Andy Holloway

Sometimes you just got to let these guys go. And there are hits sometimes, for sure. The, you know, there. But they are the outliers and they are the 10% is. Or if you're making the bet, you want to be on the 90% side now.

Every now and then you're going to get Kyron Williams. But Kyron Williams was someone we love. Or Kareem Hunt or, you know, I know he wasn't as far, but third or fourth round. Yeah, but like, you know, Kyron fell late in the draft where you just, you know, he was dead to us. But the people that have Kyron on their teams now, they're not even the people that drafted him in the rookie drafts.

He hit waivers? Yeah. You picked him up. All right, we'll close it out here. Jeff wants to know two.

Jason Moore

Why is Andy rarely on the dynasty show? And when doing rookie drafts, do you do NFL draft or snake draft style? Rookie drafts are all NFL draft style because it's a dynasty and you've got like the entire roster together. When you're doing a redraft like a startup, if you're doing a dynasty startup, then it's snake to make it even. But once these rosters are established and, you know, you've got to build it year after year after year.

Andy Holloway

The worst team gets the best pick in each round, you know, in, in reverse order all the way through the 12th pick. Why aren't you on the. That's the reason. I don't like in a bell draft style rookie. I'm a snake only man.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, ride the snake. Big snake guy. No, I mean, look, we've got two excellent dynasty gentlemen, and Kyle Borghanoni, Matthew Betts, and we wanted to have a baller on there.

Jason Moore

And so Jason and Mike have taken the mantle most often. I have had occasional appearances and I'm happy to continue to do so. Yeah, you're the too many cooks in one kitchen, man. Yeah. You're just the, like, break glass, a case of emergency type of guy.

Yeah, I'm here when, you know, Jason's tummy hurts and he's got to go home. My tummy's hurting. Uh, great. Yeah, I shouldn't. I gotta go home.

Andy Holloway

Wrap it up. Um, okay. All right, that is it. We really need to shut this down. Ultimate draft kid.com a reminder, the, the best ball rankings available right now.

Jason Moore

So if you go pick up the UDK, plus you can go browse them on the app, on the web, wherever you're at. We'll be back on Thursday, we'll have an overreaction episode and we'll find out if Jay Grizz moves out of here. We get Mike back. We'll see. Goodbye.

Andy Holloway

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