The Looming Loom

This episode delves into the fascinating intersection of weaving and technology, featuring an engaging conversation with a passionate weaver who reveals the unexpected connections between these fields.

1. Weaving has played a crucial role in the history of computing, with early binary systems resembling the operations of looms.
2. Modern looms can incorporate technology, enhancing traditional weaving techniques.
3. The conversation highlights the dedication and passion required for mastering weaving, as well as its artistic and competitive aspects.
4. Julia showcases the dual nature of her career, balancing artistic expression with technical expertise in textile engineering.
5. The episode effectively demystifies the complexity of looms and weaving, connecting it to everyday technology and innovation.

1: Introduction

Julia introduces herself and explains her move from LA to Ithaca, where she passionately pursues weaving. The conversation sets the stage for a deep dive into the craft of weaving.

• Conan O'Brien: "Are those looms behind you?"

2: Weaving and Computing

Julia and Conan discuss the historical connection between weaving and computing, exploring how the binary system used in weaving influenced early computers.

• Julia: "Weaving is actually the origin of modern computing."

3: Julia's Passion and Projects

The episode explores Julia's personal journey with weaving, her artistic ambitions, and her upcoming solo show, illustrating her commitment to the craft.

• Conan O'Brien: "You describe yourself as obsessed, that is the key to being really good at something."

4: Humor and Tangents

Amidst the technical discussion, Conan brings his characteristic humor to the conversation, making light-hearted comparisons and jokes about weaving.

• Conan O'Brien: "You can watch pornography on a loom."

5: Closing Thoughts

The discussion concludes with reflections on the broader impacts of weaving in technology and Julia's aspirations in the weaving community.

• Conan O'Brien: "It's neat that you're an artist and a craftsperson, but you're also working in the medical community."

1. Explore hobbies that relate to your profession to find creative and innovative intersections.
2. Consider historical contexts of modern technologies to gain deeper insights into their development.
3. Engage with local craft communities to share knowledge and foster creativity.
4. Attend or participate in local arts and crafts shows to support and inspire community engagement.
5. Use humor and relatability to make complex subjects more understandable and enjoyable.

Conan talks to Julia from Ithaca, NY about weaving with a loom, big-name weaving celebrities, and engineering textiles for biomedical devices.

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Julia
Hello. Hi, Julia. Welcome. Oh, my God. Oh, hello, Julia.

Conan O'Brien
How are you? Hi. This is crazy. I'm freaking out a little bit. No, I think we're the ones experiencing the craziness because we can see.

We can see you. For anyone listening right now. We actually. We have a screen and we can see what's behind you. And are those looms behind you?

There's a massive, massive wooden loom behind you that looks like it could be 800 years old. I don't know. It's literally looming. Yeah, it's looming. Thank you.

I think that's where looming comes from. It must be. Yeah. So what's going on, Julia? Who are you?

Where are you? Why are you and when are you. Hello? Where are you coming from? My name is Julia.

Julia
I'm calling from Ithaca, New York, which is kind of random. I moved here from LA, and I have this studio, and I actually have two looms behind me. So it's two big looms that are looming right now. Okay. It's funny, because I know so little about looms that it just looks like one giant loom.

Conan O'Brien
I can't see where one loom starts and the other one begins, but it's very impressive and very cool looking. Thank you. Yeah. I'm a little obsessive about weaving. I love weaving, which is kind of insane.

Julia
It's very. It's a lot of equipment, though, that you need on this level. Okay. Let me ask you a couple of questions quickly. So you use the loom.

Conan O'Brien
What would you call yourself? You wouldn't say, I'm a weaver. What would you call yourself? I would say, I'm a weaver. All right.

I didn't know if you preferred textile technician. You know, I just don't know what terms you prefer, and I want to use the term you prefer. Yeah. I think weaver is a good term. I would introduce myself as, hello, I'm a weaver.

Okay. I think a textile technician is more so because I'm also a textile engineer in my day to day normal life, and the technicians are the ones that operate kind of big machines. I do that too. You do that as well. But this is more of you in your hobby phase, would you say?

Because you've got this giant loom behind you that looks very old school. You're wearing a very beautiful, colorful scarf, I believe, or a blanket. Yeah. Or poncho. I don't know exactly what it is, but it looks gorgeous.

Did you make that? Yeah, I did. Thank you. Yeah, it's a blanket. It's my cozy blanket.

Julia
It's kind of cold in here, so I got this on. But, um. But, yeah, I wouldn't necessarily say I'm a hobbyist either. I went to school for weaving, for textiles, and I am very, very obsessed about textiles. If I could be successful in this, then this would be my life, and I wouldn't need the day I thing.

Conan O'Brien
Well, I think when you describe yourself as obsessed, that is the key to being really good at something. I would hope so, yeah. So the fact that you're obsessed with weaving probably means you are pretty good at it. And I don't even know. I can't even begin to know what goes into setting up a loom because they look impossibly complicated.

The loom behind you. Just the idea that you would know how to put the different. You use yarn. Is that correct? Mm hmm.

Okay. See, I know some things. You use different colored yarns, and then you have to figure out how they interlock using the loom. Is that right? That's the most fun part.

Julia
That part is what gets my brain just, like, so happy. But what's really cool about weaving is that weaving is actually the origin of modern computing. What it is? What? Yeah, it's.

Conan O'Brien
You can watch pornography on a loom. Oh, jeez. Well, I'm sorry.

Is there another use for a computer or a loom? Many times I've seen a loom and I've tried what's going on, and then I'm like, I get frustrated. This isn't sexy. I'm sorry, Julia. You seem like a cool person, and I totally flew this thing into the gutter immediately.

And I not only apologize to you, I apologize to the weaving community and everyone in textiles. Yes, but pornography. Okay, so what do you mean? The loom is the beginning of the computer. So you in what you're talking about how the threads interlock with each other.

Julia
You either are lifting the thread or lowering the thread. One or zero. So it's binary. Binary, yeah. The punch card system was invented by a weaver.

Actually, have. I didn't know that thing. Right there is essentially a punch card. And this modern technology, computing was invented from the operation of weaving. I mean, I did not know that.

Conan O'Brien
And it makes perfect sense. It's binary. It's this or that. And then you need a menu. You need something to tell you what the sequence is, and you work off of that.

And I didn't know that. The punch card, which basically was what I. When I was a kid, around the time I'm being born. 63, 64, 65. All computers work off of a punch card until we move beyond that.

But that's amazing. Yeah. It's so cool. I'm just so obsessed with it. I've been really focused because I have a solo show opening in a week from now, so I've just been in here every day weaving.

Sona Movsesian
Oh, let's go. Making fabric. Is it going to be an ithaca? I think you're welcome to come. It is going to be an ithaca.

Conan O'Brien
If we get in a car and start now. Oh, we're going to drive seven days, the three of us. Seven days? What are you talking. No, it's not seven.

Julia
Well, when I. That's not seven days. When I was in LA to Ithaca, it took seven days. I've done coast to coast in three. No.

Conan O'Brien
What? I didn't sleep. I was by myself. I was, like, 20 something. I was insane.

I was a crazy person. And I talked to myself the whole time. You were by yourself? I was by myself. Oh, my God.

Yeah. And there were some crimes committed along the route which have never been solved, but. Okay, so. Okay, three was a little much. I'm gonna say it was four.

Julia
Oh, okay. That's still not. I drove slow. Oh, might have been five. You guys are all being too conciliatory here.

Matt Gourley
Just stick to your original stories. I know we're losing the drama. Okay. I did it in two days. Okay, that's better.

Conan O'Brien
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Anyway, Julia, I'm taking you down a bad road, and I apologize. You have a show coming up. Is it a competition? Do you have to beat other people? You seem like you'd be very competitive about weaving.

Matt Gourley
Do you think, is there competitive looming? I bet there is. Well, actually, yeah, there is, but I wouldn't say my show is competitive. My show is like an art. Art show.

Julia
I went to. I went to art school for weaving, so I've been doing that. But there are competitive weaving. Actually, there is a sheep and wool festival where every year they have a sheep to shawl competition of how fast you can shear sheep, get the wool, spin the yarn, make a shawl. Does anyone ever win really quickly, but then they realize that the sheep is pretty much just wrapped around the person's neck.

Sona Movsesian
They didn't fully shear it. Kind of half sheared it, and then this thing, then they went, meh mesh. Quiet. Quiet. We've almost won.

Matt Gourley
Is there juicing in looming competitions? Yeah. Can you juice? Can you inject yourself with something that makes you operate the loom so much faster? Yeah.

Julia
I don't know. Do they drug test? That's a good question. Do they drug test in looming competitions? I can't answer that question.

Conan O'Brien
Oh, someone sounds pretty guilty. I hope not. She's thinking. Yeah. You know what I noticed?

Julia
Here's the thing. Yeah. My computer, my loom, actually, the one in the back has a computer attached to it, so my loom, actually, is faster than that of the normal weaver. Where and when is this sheep to shawl thing? Yeah, I want to go and buy.

Conan O'Brien
We gotta go. I don't think we're going. But when is it? When is the sheep to shawl? So I'll make sure that we're not there.

Julia
Well, I actually think there are several around the country. But the biggest sheep and wool festival is in Rhinebeck, New York. I know Rhinebeck. They have an air show. They have an air show there.

Well, they also have the sheep and wool festival there. Oh. Is this ever aired? On, like, ESPN 18. ESPN ESPN 77.

It'd be cool if it did. Maybe PBS. Honestly, let's not be mean now. Or CNN.

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Sona Movsesian
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Yeah, definitely. I was noticing your house is really nice. Would you ever Airbnb your house? I would. I actually would for some extra cash if nobody was there.

Yeah. Yeah. Or maybe if tack was there. If your husband was there, you'd Airbnb the house without delling him. Why not?

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Hey, so, Julia, you get to figure out patterns that you then make into the finished product, right? Can you work, like, codes and stuff in there? Can you put secret messages into. Oh, God. Yeah.

Right? Look at her eyes. She clearly has feast little Easter eggs. So you can put little things in there, because I would think if basically, what you're making is the result of a program, this binary program. So using different colors, you can probably put subliminal messages into the scarves that you make.

Julia
Yeah, well, I don't make scarves, but yeah. Okay. All right. So is the subliminal message you put in there. Scarves suck?

Matt Gourley
This is not a scarf. This is not a scarf. Okay, well, yes, I've made one scarf, but you can actually. I mean, I was actually thinking about that the other day of, like, how could I take a coded message and somehow, like, translate it through the code of my loom and make something with it? I would definitely.

Conan O'Brien
Something that maybe promoted our podcast subliminally. No, just as a good idea. A blanket translated into. Yeah. Look, these things last forever.

These things get passed on from generation to. Right. I mean, theoretically, this could be around hundreds of years from now, and someone finds it, and for some reason, they're just like, I really need to check out this. You know, Conan O'Brien needs a fan, and it's just because they've inherited this sweater that's been passed down for hundreds of years, and it has this faint message. What do you think?

Julia
I could try. I'd be down for the challenge. There are so many people. Julia, I'm gonna need you to calm down. You're way too giddy.

Conan O'Brien
You're way too pumped up. Loomers are fucking crazy. These guys. They are. Dude, it's a badass world.

Julia
All the weavers I know are pretty badass. Do you ever talk shit about other weavers? Well, I mean, I try to be a good person. I know. Weave it into the coat of yourself.

Sona Movsesian
Is this small community? Is this weaving community small? Do you guys all know each other? I would say it's larger than people think it is. Like, there are a lot more weavers out there than we used to say.

Conan O'Brien
Can I say something? Yeah. You make it sound like we're out there. Anyone you know, could be Eduardo's over there. He has a little loom underneath the table, and he's looming right now.

He's weaving and looming. But, Julia, this fascinates me because I think you can't escape it in any profession. And I'm not asking you to name names or anything, but I'm asking you to confirm my suspicion that even you, this lovely, gentle, intelligent weaver, sometimes you see another weaver walking down the street and you're like, hack. Yes. You know, I saw that serape.

They made bullshit sell out. Sell out. You know? Oh, yeah. Checks.

We haven't seen Chex in a while. Nice. Oh, yeah, the old double drop loop. Like, that hasn't been done. Did I just make something up with a double drop loop?

Julia
Actually, there are. Double weave. Yes. No, that's not what you said. You said double drown.

Sona Movsesian
She's trying to make you feel better. One word that's commonly used in any industry. I see. I wonder if there's those weavers who walk into a room and people are like, oh, shit, that guy's here. Who is the shit in your energy, in your industry?

Conan O'Brien
And, Julia, it might be you, right? And be honest. If it's you, you can say. You can say, okay, so I did go to the digital weaving conference last year, and there are some weavers that walked in and I was like, holy shit, that's crazy. Like, they're here.

Julia
This person's here. But then there are other weavers. Mortimer chillings.

Conan O'Brien
Mortimer chilling. I would say I'm working towards that status. I think you're getting there. I'm really trying. I think you're getting there fast.

And actually, I think this interview is going to give you a little nut. Yeah. Do you have, like, a big social media presence with your weaving and stuff? Yeah. Where can we see it?

Julia
I'm. I'm trying. It's a u l I A K w is my instagram. But I. I mean, I'm really just trying to, like.

Yeah, I think that when it comes to the competitive part, I am pretty competitive. Good. I can sense that. I want to make fabric yeah, I want to make fabric that the best weaver that I could imagine wouldn't be able to figure out how I made the fabric. So you want the best weaver?

Conan O'Brien
Let's say the. The Oppenheimer of Weavers, this Mortimer guy. Mortimer. Mortimer chillings. You want him.

You want to make something where Mortimer, Mort to his fans, Mort chillings comes in and you've made it, and he picks it up and he's like, what? Impossible. But how? I don't see the. It's switching from double triple half stitch to multi drop stitch within two parsecs.

Is that. You want to do that, right? Yeah, I kind of do. It's, like, a little embarrassing because I want to support people weaving, but then I also want to be, like, four harness. Okay.

Sona Movsesian
Like, and be the best at the same time. Julia, there is nothing wrong with a burning ambition to be the very best at what you do and to blow people away and be it. There's nothing wrong with that. That is the fuel. It should ruin all your relationships and leave a scorched earth policy.

Conan O'Brien
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Yeah. The goat of acting stupid. Hey, Julia, you said that you also. So this is just your. What's your day job?

Matt Gourley
What's your problem? My problem is so I don't really know. You know what I got thrown by. As I was asking this question, the red light went on, and I was like, oh, I'm asking a question. When the red light went on and it threw me, okay?

Conan O'Brien
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Matt Gourley
I appreciate your honesty. It's nice to see the human side of you, you know? Well, or if you're from upstate New York, human. Why? Julia, there are other applications for your weaving that I'm told that you use.

Julia
Yes. In the scientific community. What would that be? Yes. So I am a text cell engineer for biomedical implantable textile devices.

Conan O'Brien
I don't even know what that is. Oh, my God. Like, you put a sweater around my heart. Conan, y'all get this man. Put a cardigan over this man's heart.

Stop. A sweater over your heart. You are human. I am human. Yeah, but, like, actually, though, like, stents, heart valves, bone tethers, meshes all of that.

Julia
There's all sorts of, like, there's a heart valve that, like, knitted fabric actually helps kind of accept cells that need to, like, stabilize the medical device in your body. And woven fabric really helps to kind of, like, if you know, you have a. What is it that abdominal aortic aneurysm, if you got too much cholesterol or whatever, and you're event in your heart. The woven fabric prevents the blood from getting stuck on the walls and stuff. So my question is, what are you using?

Conan O'Brien
You're obviously not using yarn. That's not going to go very well in there. But what can you use that the body won't reject? We do use yarn. It's just different yarn.

Julia
It's not like wool or cotton. A lot of times it's polyester, actually. See, polyester is back. Cool. It doesn't wrinkle.

Conan O'Brien
I like it when my heart valve doesn't wrinkle. Yeah. You know what I mean? Straight out of the dryer. Yeah, I can.

And stains just brush off. Oh, my God. I like when my stent just is easily cleaned. Julia, you're an impressive person. Yeah, you are.

It's very cool that you know how to do all this, and I do not. I do not think you should feel any reservation about being competitive and wanting to be the badass weaver in the United States of America first and then the world. That should be your goal. Okay. Okay.

And do we know how to check out? I do want to check out your work. Yeah. We got your Instagram handle. Do you want to say it one more time?

Yeah, say it one more time so people listening can check it out. Thank you all. My Instagram handle is.

Very cool. I'm going to check out your stuff. There's probably a lot of photographs there of things. And do you ever sell stuff? I do, yeah.

Julia
Most of the stuff in my show is going to be for sale. Well, you're about to get the Conan bump. Yeah, Conan bump. And I'm going to buy a bone tether from you. I want a heart sweater.

Maybe one day you'll need it, and then you'll know. All right, let's not be so giddy about it. Julia. Man, Julia lit up. Hey, you're going to need one pretty soon, old man.

Matt Gourley
There's that competitive spirit. There it is. Oh, you don't think you're going to need one soon? You look like a guy that's gonna have a massive hemorrhage soon. If anyone's brain is gonna blow, it's me.

Conan O'Brien
So, yeah, I need a tight knit weave around my skull just to keep it all intact. But, Julia, very cool what you're doing. I really like it. And, I mean, it's neat that you're an artist and a craftsperson, but you're also working in the medical community. That's a neat.

You've pulled off a pretty cool career. I think you should be proud of yourself. Thanks. Yeah. It's a little weird.

Julia
Like, I went to art school. I did not study engineering, so it was a lot to learn. But none of us take necessarily a logical path. I sure didn't. But we figured out eventually, and eventually I will figure it out.

Conan O'Brien
Julia, thank you so much and take care of yourself, and good luck at your show. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, thanks. Bye bye.

Matt Gourley
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