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Sona Movsesian
Conan O'Brien needs a fan. Want to talk to Conan? Visit teamcoco.com callconan. Okay, let's get started. Hi, Lainey.

Matt Gourley
Lainey, Lainey. How are you? I'm great. How are you doing? Doing really well.

So let's set up the story here because this is a little unusual. A lot of people sort of cold call in and we talk to them. You, I need to disclose the truth. I was chatting with backstage Beacon theater. Is that correct?

Laney
Yes, sir. Okay. Why don't you set the stage of what was the event? Do you remember the event? Because I do so many events.

Matt Gourley
I do so much for so many people. Oh, God. What was the event? Love rocks. Yes, love rocks.

They had an amazing band for love rocks. It's a great charity where they feed people who are in need in Los Angeles, who have and give them nutritious meals. I think people who are being hospitalized or in some kind of treatment, it's a great thing. They get really good people to come out and do it. I couldn't believe the talent that love rocks got out there at the Beacon theater.

It was insane. It was a surreal group of people. It was really cool. And so you and I are chatting backstage, and I think you were saying you're a fan, and I can't remember. I think I said, well, you know, you should call into the show sometime.

Did I say it like that? I cheated for sure. I think I was standing in there just like a babbling idiot. Just nonverbal. I went fully nonverbal.

Laney
And then Rebecca from Larkin, Poe was like, stopped you as you were trying to leave and told you that I was a gross fan of yours. What does gross fan mean? Cause I didn't think. I didn't think. I didn't hear the term gross fan.

Matt Gourley
Did she say gross fan? She might have said aggressive or intense. But all the same, let me reveal something to you. This is all a trick just to get your information so that we can check on you, because your intensity of your fanhood was such that we thought we need to get eyes on you. Yeah, a welfare.

Welfare check. A welfare check? No, not a welfare check. If she's that big a fan of you, I'm a little worried about it. You're concerned for her?

You're concerned for her employability in the world. No, I just think we have law officers watching, so this whole thing's being monitored. I just want you to know that right now. Where are you right now? Do you live in New York City?

Laney
No, sir, I'm in Nashville. I love the. No, sir. Yes, I'm in the military. You live in Nashville.

Matt Gourley
And so do you work with Larkin? Poe. Cause they're fantastic. They're very talented. Yes, I work with them and a couple other of touring camps.

Okay, so you're with Lark and Poe. And they actually tried to convince me to bring my guitar out on stage and just wing it with them. Oh, you should have. And I was telling them, I'm too scared to wing it with Larkin, Poe or pretty much anybody. I'd need to.

I'd want a day of rehearsal because I'm a comedian who pretends sometimes to play an instrument. Just let go, man. No, that's not a good idea. Oh, what's the worst that could happen? Oh, I'll show it to you.

La, la, la, la. Larkin. Poe banished from show business. Larkin. Poe.

Records plummeting. Larkin. Poe's back catalog destroyed. Oh, man. Larkin splits with Poe.

Yeah. Poe won't speak to Larkin. Larkin won't speak to Poe. Conan O'Brien destroys Larkin and Poe. Larkin and Poe is now a law firm.

Wait, a successful law firm. It turns out this is the best thing they ever did. There you go. Now they're back in the music business because they sued you. Funded by their law firm.

Yeah. Look what you did. What a roller coaster that was. That was a crazy ride. I should have gone out there.

Sona Movsesian
Yes. So when did you get addicted to. I shouldn't say addicted to. But you became a fan through the podcast or through some Jesus. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Matt Gourley
She's clearly obsessed, and it's dangerous. Well, through the podcast, that means you like me and Gorley too, right? Oh, might be a little bit more so than conias.

Unknown
You could go. So I'll just shut myself out. Well, I say that sensitively. Cause isn't that, you know, the point of the podcast? Yeah, kind of.

Matt Gourley
Yeah. No, it's true. People like to see me inflate myself, float up to the ceiling, and then these two, like you had a pinata. You bash me with sticks. You're so good at setting it up, though.

Unknown
You're a master at self deflation. Perpetual self deflation. Her on to this show? Yes, I brought you on to deflate me, but Lei, tell us about your life. So you are with these different.

Matt Gourley
You work with several bands, and you hit the road with them. Is that right? Yes, sir. I travel with them. It depends on which camp I'm in, but I usually just take measurements.

Any groups I'd know besides Larkin? Poe. Mm hmm. Reba McIntyre. Oh, my God.

Unknown
Wait, what was the last one? Marin Morris. Oh, wow. Wow. Jesus.

Matt Gourley
This is legit. How did you. You seem very young. How did you get into this? This is a good gig.

Laney
I'm very lucky. It's very cool. I'm 25. Yes. And I started when I was 21, 22 with Terry Clark.

Her tour manager at the time was a friend of mine, and he just needed somebody to fill in on a weekend tuning guitars. I was like, I can do that. And then it kind of grew from there. Now, when you tune a guitar, this. I know there's a little device now that goes on the neck of the guitar so you can tune it pretty quickly.

Matt Gourley
Right. And is it just that the musicians are too lazy to do it for themselves? Is that what's going on here? I think it's a matter of cleaner transitions and making sure that the guitar stays in tune because they're subject to the elements outside. Humidity, wind, heat, all of that.

Laney
Nope. Okay. I think Reba's lazy. I think Larkin and Poe are lazy. I think Terry Clark's lazy.

Matt Gourley
I mean, I think it would be very humbling and good for their fans to see them occasionally stop and tune their guitar in front of everybody. It shows them that they're down in the muck with the rest of us. Do you tune yours? Oh, they still see that? Hey, why?

Can't wait. Here's my question. You didn't answer. Okay, please. Here's my question.

I have nine. I have six people tuning my guitar, one for each string. I have a guy for the low e and the high e. Two different guys. Two different e guys?

Yeah, two different e guys. I'm not gonna let my low e guy mess with my high e guy. I see. I keep them in separate rooms. I have six people, each dedicated to one string.

Unknown
You got a truss rod guy? Oh, yeah. Okay. That's another guy. Yeah.

Matt Gourley
I got a pickguard guy. I've got. I mean. Yeah. What's that?

What'd you say to me? Capo guy? Listen, capo guy, how dare you jump in, Edward. Honestly, Edwarda. That was out of line.

That was out of line, Eduardo. We were having a really good time. And then you jump in with your capo bit, which, by the way, he tries every time. And it's never. It's crazy.

He's always going, what about the capo? And I'm, like, trying to talk to Francis Ford Coppola about megalopolis. And you keep saying capo. Sorry. How do you.

Laney
Do you still have skills as your tech. Oh, you know about skills? Yes. Yeah. I got to meet him at Beacon theater.

I meant to connect with him, but it. What did you think of skills? Oh, he's awesome. And. Yeah.

Matt Gourley
Oh, that wasn't. He's really cool. I'm kidding. We were able to get along a lot. And a chills.

Skills has been with me since he did our big tour in 2010. And his job every night is I would open the show and do this song that would turn into a dance, and then I would throw my Stratocaster up in the air and he would catch it. And he caught it every night. It was absolutely. Were you worried?

No, no. I could always get another guy. It's the Stratocaster. I was worried about the strat. I mean, the strat is hard to find.

Yeah. I just looked at skills and I thought, you know what I mean? He'll probably be okay. He should probably wear a helmet. But no, he's great.

He's terrific. And he takes really good care of me sometimes my guitar is perfectly fine, and he'll say, let me take that guitar and give it a little refresh for you. And then I don't see it for a couple of months. That's my one complaint with skills. And I'm going to have to talk to him about it personally, but I like airing it here on the air first.

Anyway, he's my guitar tech, and he goes everywhere with me, and I trust him with my life. He's a good man. Yeah. We had a lot in common, having very similar artists. We work for you and Rebecca Lovell.

Oh, so you're saying that you also work with difficult, insane people? Yeah. Is that what you're saying? I would say more so chaotic than anything else. Kind of unpredictable.

Yes. I am a chaos agent. Yes, I think I'm unpredictable. I'm a catalyst for joy, I believe. Oh, well, anyway, let's just keep moving.

I give and I give, but I never receive. Anyway, how do you spell your name? Your first name. L a n I. So it's just you say Lanny or Laney.

Laney
Laney. Laney. Okay. That's a cool name. Where's the e?

Yeah, that's a good question. She doesn't need it. Does this look like a girl who's here? I'm not really sure. How many people say Lonnie, right?

A lot more than you think. You should put a line over the a so people know that it's like the. Yes. You know that flat line? They do.

Matt Gourley
That means it's the lan. Yeah, Lanny. Cause that would also give you kind of a cool name. You know, Cache? You're just a one name Laney.

Sona Movsesian
Just change your name. Yeah. Could you do. How about Barbara? Gertrude?

I actually like Laney a lot. Yeah, Laney's a great name. So you are. You're in charge of all the instruments? Have you ever lost an instrument?

Matt Gourley
Has an instrument ever gone missing on your watch? On my watch, no. But the artist has forgotten their instrument at home and realized, when we got to the gig, that has happened. Why did Reba do that? But.

Sona Movsesian
Reba would never. Reba did. It was Reba. I know it was. It was the one night Reba was gonna play the tuba.

Matt Gourley
She's like, and now, folks, my tuba. Wait, where the hell. Sorry. That's my reba impression. Got a little hillbilly issue.

Sona Movsesian
It's really bad. Everyone loves Reba. Everyone does love Reba. I wish I had a sitcom. I'll get one.

Matt Gourley
It's gonna be called Conan. I just thought of it. Yeah. What's the premise? The premise is exactly like Reba.

Sona Movsesian
Yeah. I have red hair and I'm living with my family, and I don't know. There are a handful. You had a show named Conan? Yeah, that's true.

Matt Gourley
For God. No, I mean a sitcom. Okay. Yeah. Is it gonna be Conan the sitcom?

No one calls a sitcom the sitcom. Yeah. What would your sitcom be called? Just Conan. Just Conan.

Yeah. But that's confusing. Cause you had a show named Conan for eleven years on tbs. So how would people know if they're watching the talk show or the sitcom the Conan family? Okay.

And then I play all the different characters. Green lit so bad. What a bad idea. That's a great idea. I come home.

Honey, I'm home. And then you cut to the top of the stairs and it's me dressed as my wife. Oh, Conan, you're so handsome. I thought it was gonna be you. Come home.

Unknown
Say, honey, I'm home. And there's just never anyone there. It's just empty. Always empty. They never existed.

And there are 30 minutes of you just walking around the house, talking to yourself. Yeah. Doing bits that might fly. Greenlit. Lainey, are you regretting that you called?

Sona Movsesian
Yeah. I mean, not at all. This is the highest form of entertainment for me. Wow. We gotta get you outside.

Laney
Touch grass. Yeah.

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Matt Gourley
Here's my question. Nashville. Very cool. Man, that town's blowing up. I mean, I was there, what, like 15 years ago?

And then I came back and they were two different places. The two times I've was a long window between when I've played Nashville and it was two completely different places. It's like Atlantic City. It's overgrown. Is it overgrown?

Laney
Terrible. Yeah. Did you grow up in Nashville? I did not. I grew up in St.

Louis, Missouri. Okay, so you're kind of an interloper, too. You're kind of the problem. See what I'm saying? Yeah.

Nashville blew up. I would say I'm the epicenter of the destruction. Yes, Lenny, that's kind of what I was trying to get to at the. Beginning of the downfall. I think the beginning of the downfall was you misrepresenting the pronunciation of your name in the spelling.

Sure, sure. And then it is spelled incorrectly. Then you move to Nashville and say, I can't believe all these people moved to Nashville when. Hello. Well, I brought them.

Matt Gourley
You came in a giant. A giant mothership with hundreds of thousands of people. Well, what's the plan? Okay. And now I'm gonna sound like your dad.

What's the long term plan here? That is. That's tough to decipher when you're in the middle of touring because you love it so much and you don't necessarily want to leave, but growth is inevitable, or you'd hope. And so I think end goal would be working in sort of a production management role. So still touring, but in a higher bracket and also kind of less hands on, I'd guess.

Unknown
Sounds like she's got it. I'm talking, first of all, you're 25, and you are a very impressive person. I think I didn't take you seriously because you said you were a fan. But. But first of all, I would say the fact that you love what you do and you're doing it successfully at 25 is all you have to know.

Matt Gourley
The next step, at the risk of being sincere, the next step will become obvious to you. But to be 25 and be doing what you love is magical. That's magical. And so you, I don't worry about. I think the next step will become obvious to by the doing of it, don't you think?

Laney
Yes. Well, thank you. Yeah, I'm just really enjoying saying yes to opportunities that come my way and seeing what comes from them. Like this, for example. If I didn't have that job, I wouldn't be able to be talking to you right now.

Unknown
Well, I think it was really Sona and Matt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, was it Larkin or Poe who really made this happen?

Laney
Funny enough, they're actually not Larkin and Poe. It's actually the name of, I think, fourth great grandfather of theirs. And, oh, what a cool name of Edgar Allen. And so they just run with that. But Rebecca and Megan are the two girls.

And Rebecca's the one who stopped you and yelled at me to write down my name because I was nonverbal and couldn't collect myself. Yeah, that's right. She was yelling at you. Write down your name. Write down your name.

Matt Gourley
Give it to Conan. I thought it was very strange. It was a very strange encounter. Yeah, it worked. Yeah, I know.

Unknown
Look what happened. We got to meet Lainey and have a nice conversation. But maybe now, Lainey, maybe I should go out on tour as a musical act. What do you think? Absolutely, yes.

Laney
And then you should bring me in skills, and we'll have a great time. Or maybe we lose skills. Aw. Well, I'm just saying, what does he bring to the table? Well, what are we gonna do if you.

Sona Movsesian
I can't do anything. I mean, Matt, you play guitar. I can play. Matt, play anything. You know, I'm terrible with music.

Matt Gourley
Oh, but you're very. Your singing is very good. Why don't you show Lainey what you can do? Go ahead. I'm a terrible singer.

Sing the sun will come out tomorrow it's really good. The sun will come out tomorrow bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow there's a sweetness to that. I like you. No, I'm incredible. You know what?

Conan O'Brien
You know what? Her fuck you was more in tune than her son will come out tomorrow her fuck you is perfect. I beat genuinely, but I retracted. Yes. No, no, there was.

Sona Movsesian
I thought you were doing it. You know what? No, no, no. There was an innocence to it, like someone discovering their voice for the first time. It's.

Cause the song is like that. But I am. I can't. I can't sing. Sing a cher song.

Matt Gourley
Yeah. Oh, yeah. You love Cher. Can we hear a cher song? They say our love won't pay the rent before it's earned.

Sona Movsesian
Our money's all been spent. Okay, Lainey, help me. What the fuck? Well, in her defense, I think she has. She might have more experience saying fuck you than singing.

Yeah, true. Sing fuck you. F you. Oh, my God. You could shatter a glass with Alice.

Matt Gourley
She's like, fine. She hits this impossible note, and all the glasses in the neighborhood shatter. Ah, fuck. Are you.

Yeah, suddenly you're signed up for the Metropolitan. It's okay. Okay, I know that about myself. It's fine. You know yourself, and that's your greatest quality.

Sona Movsesian
That's right. But I'm saying, if you go on a musical tour, what do we do? Can you just pay me to do nothing? I do that now.

That's true. Lainey, before we go, tell us a little bit about your everyday life. You know, give us a sense of who you are. All we've talked to is the working Lainey, who's. Yes, sir.

Matt Gourley
No, sir. Three bags full, sir. What do you do for fun?

Laney
When I'm home, my routine is usually, you know, take care of my dog, work out, find some way to form income that day. Um, good lord. Whether that's prep. Yeah. Very, very exciting.

Matt Gourley
Okay, so this is just full. This is. Any criminal would say the same thing. Find some way to create income. Well, let's just steal that.

Sell it. You got a stack of wallets behind. Yeah, I know.

Laney
I play guitar. I like to hike. I like to be active as much as I can. I like to go to shows in. Town, Lainey, as you can tell.

Matt Gourley
And you probably noticed when I came past the Larkin poe dressing room that I'm a workout fiend as well. Pause, pause, pause, pause. Anyway, what's your workout regimen? Me? I like weights.

I like my cardio. Pause, pause. What do you like to do? What do you lift, bro? I usually I put on a weighted vest, like you've talked about recently that Liza's done.

Laney
I'll walk you out. Yeah, my wife wears a weighted vest. I also wear a weighted vest. My marital responsibilities, we all waited for the punchline. Yeah, it was gonna go three different ways.

Unknown
That was one of them. There was nine different ways. I was gonna say the two of us were your weighted vest. Oh, yeah. No, no, that goes around my neck.

Matt Gourley
Oh, that's called the Lodestone.

Laney
That sounds like it should get checked out. I know. Hey, Lodestone's not a bad name for a band. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Lodestone.

So is that what you're gonna tour as? I don't know yet. I'm thinking about, I'd like to go out on the road. I really would. And you know what?

Matt Gourley
I think I would trust you. I would trust you to run things on the road with skills. Okay. Would skills be upset if I put you. I would put skills bloombneath you.

I would put you in charge. You would be in charge of skills. You're asking if you think he'd be a. Yeah. Now, skills, I should point out, is 79 years old.

You were 25. But still, I mean, skills is much more competent. Interesting. I'm gonna leave that. And then doesn't just tell you that he's looking for forms of income.

Laney
When that was the most awkward way she could have said, that's true. That was really weird the way you say it. No, I won't put down skills anymore because I love him too much and he's great. He's the best. But I'm glad we met.

Matt Gourley
Now. Can I just ask you about this meeting? Was I normal during the meeting or was I. You can say, well, I'm actually really glad you asked because the point I met you at, you were pretty, I think, stressed in that moment. You had a lot thrown at you from there all of a sudden, giving you more tasks to do on stage.

They did say, yep. And I thought that was really cool to see, you know, the humanity of it and the humility of it, of you just being vulnerable and saying, this is a lot. And it's more than what I thought I was getting into and more than I asked for. So you mean he was. It was really cool.

Sona Movsesian
Yeah. No, no, no. I was.

Unknown
Maria Kelly. I wouldn't go there. No. You know what I remember is it was just. It was like a lot of things where you show up and you're told you're going to do one thing and then suddenly it keeps multiplying.

Matt Gourley
Exactly. And what happens is anybody. You just get a. It's fear. It's just fear.

Laney
Yeah. It's like, oh, shit, I didn't know I was going to do that. What if that doesn't go well? I had that one song I knew I was going to do up front and then introduce the show, start the show. But then when there's more than that, there's fear, and that never goes away.

Matt Gourley
I'm always waiting for that to go away. And then I realized, jesus, if it hasn't gone away now, that is never going away. You probably see that cool, like, all the time. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Laney
It was really a gift to see, to see that, like, because that fear still gives you drive, and it's a reason to keep doing what you're doing. And it was just cool. The whole, like, celebrities, they're just like, us thing. To see, like, somebody you look up to isn't. Isn't too different.

Matt Gourley
Some of them are not like us. There's some soulless bastards out there, and. I found that out, too. Yeah, yeah. We'll do the names on the next podcast.

Yeah, just give the names. But we all know who. We all know who we're talking about. Jason Bateman.

Oh, come on. Jason knows. I'm kidding. Monster, it was very nice talking to you and finally getting the word out on Jason Bateman. Yeah, it's time to take him down.

Yeah. No, ask anyone. Ask will Arnett. He'll tell you. Monster.

Monster posing as a man. It was lovely talking to you. I hope our paths cross again. Next time you see me backstage, I will say this. If it's before I've gone on, I will be nervous.

Someone a long time ago told me, if you're not nervous before you go on, something's wrong. So I think that's true. That's really cool. I think that's the good news and the bad news about this business, but very cool talking to you. I think show business and music is in good hands if you're out there.

Seriously. Well, thank you. Next question. And I do have a question, if that's appropriate. Oh, yeah, of course.

Laney
And a little bit of context, that isn't exactly kind. I grew up kind of hating you, I guess, and then, oh, I love stun on. Matt would enjoy. Go on. And then around.

Well, in college, my best friend introduced me to the podcast, and I absolutely fell in love with it. And so I was telling my mom about it, and I was saying, why did I hate him? Like, what's going on? Like, why didn't I never think he was funny? And she said that when I was a small child, like toddler age, you would come on the screen and terrify me, and I would scream anytime I saw your hair.

Matt Gourley
So you didn't like me because as a child, my hair? I frightened you? When you were in a formative stage, you were very. You were too young, and you were frightened by the weird muppet on tv. That's what I've been told, yes.

Laney
And I guess that grew, and I didn't never. I never questioned it. That's a great question. Like, when? Oh, okay.

Matt Gourley
That's not a question. The question would be, what tactics would you use to convince a child who is afraid of you to not be afraid? Well, that's really creepy. That's creepy on so many levels. I have some candy thinking about it now.

Laney
Yes. I'll get in my van. You like vans? Here's a red balloon. Oh, my God.

Matt Gourley
You know what I've always noticed? I'll answer this seriously, even though this is an invitation to be arrested. I just did this last night because I was over at Sona's house, and she has twins who are almost three. What I've always done is, with little kids, is because I'm six'four, and then my features and my hair can be frightening, actually, to people of all ages. I get down on the floor and get lower than them, and animals and kids chill when you're smaller than they are.

So I just get on the floor, and I got on the floor of Mikey and Charlie's room, Sona. And you weren't there. And they both immediately just start kind of jumping on me and bashing me, but laughing and having a good time because I'm now smaller than they are. You're on their level. I'm beneath their level, and I'm beneath them.

And they knew I was always beneath them. So that's, I guess, my tactic. I apologize for that being creepy. It was unintentional. No, no.

But I like how it started with I, for most of my life, hated you. And then there was a medium where I couldn't see you but could hear you. But from a toddler's perspective, you can be scary. Cause you also do, like, close up shots of your face a lot. You dance around.

Sona Movsesian
Yeah, I'm a little toddler. I'd be like, oh, my God. What's happening with this guy? Yeah, he's very needy. Something's wrong with him.

Matt Gourley
Well, I appreciate the honesty of the question. I hope you can go back and review the best of some of my early work and maybe reevaluate it. Oh, I have. And I adore it. It's great.

Oh, there. And I realized what I've been missing. I realized what I was missing. Yes. Oh, she's my favorite now.

Laney
Yeah. Okay, well, Lainey, we're gonna jump off, but really nice to talk to you again. I'm glad this worked out. My best to the ladies of Larkin Po. And thank you so much for calling in.

Matt Gourley
This is cool. Well, thank you. I really appreciate it. It was great meeting all of you. All right, take care, lady.

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