Kara Swisher | Club Random with Bill Maher

Bill Maher
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We did not see. We could not. But she did. And in the end, what will I become? Senwa saga hellblade two.

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Kara Swisher
I don't know that. Here's the one thing you can't argue about me and what I'm like.

Are you surprised? You're like, ooh, a liberal lesbian from San Francisco who might, you know, I wanted to join the military, too, just so you know. Club random. Hello. Let's pretend.

Good to meet you. We just didn't spend the last hour together jousting and arguing. Can I tell you one thing, though? I'm going to tell you about my son. There was a.

There was a. He was in Argentina for the year, Mirof, and they had one of those Gaza protests. Like for Gaza. Right. Do it.

Bill Maher
Well, good. And he got canceled by some people in his class. And he said, I have a lot of questions because I think it's a lot more complex, and I'm not going to just sit down. And so I'm just saying there's a lot more kids like him than you think. Well, again, numbers.

I don't know what the numbers are. What I'm saying is, when you're 22 years old in general, and especially in the later generations, the more recent generations, they're just not. They just don't know. And I mean, trust me, I know this firsthand. Having been 22.

Well, having been 22 and knowing 22 year olds, like, there's lots of people in this country who just would never watch a show, like, real time because I'm, like, speaking Chinese. I had a kid here when the first podcast we did, one of the first club randoms, he was a. He's a big TikToker, sweet guy. I liked him a lot. And we were talking about, and he's 30.

We're talking about, just as an example, what we were talking about on the show, my last real time NATO and the ACLU did not know what either one of them was. Yeah, well, that's okay. That's what we're working with. So when you have a kid who. I'm sure your kid is not in that category, right?

I'm sure he. Okay. But I don't think that's more than 20%. I think that's about 20% are aware of, like, this, the big, bad world out there, and the other ones are just in their God knows what TikTok zone of whatever. I also think most people are, because I think we lived with an information desert.

Kara Swisher
Now we have an information flood. And so now it's the same difference. A desert or a flood, it's the same difference with people. Oh, I thought you said information slut. Slut.

Yes. Nobody's an information slut like the two of us. The two of us. You're an information slut. I know.

You sit there at night. That's a great title. Yeah, information slut. My next book, I was just gonna say, you're gonna steal that right now. You can have it.

Bill Maher
You can have it. You can have it. No, you can have it. I want you to have it. Cause I'm not gonna do another book.

The book I have out now. I bet John was thrilled to get books out of both of us. It's been 20 years before I refused to write a book for 20 years. It's so funny. Cause I refused for so long.

Kara Swisher
I refused. And, you know, he was after me. He was after me. Right. He's good.

Bill Maher
That's why he's so good. That's why he's my original editor on my first book. That's why he's where he is. Because a young guy. Yeah, but he.

And he did it in a way that was so classy. Exactly. You know, it wasn't pressure. No, but it was. Well, yeah, I mean, but in a good way, because it made us do something that I bet you you feel the same way.

I'm sorry. He's, like, put perfectly. I'm so glad you did this book. I'm so glad I did this book. This book I really believe will stand the test of time.

And so will yours. I really enjoyed yours. And, you know, when you have other platforms like we do, you kind of have to move us very craftily because we don't need it. Yes, that's right. A lot of people who you see on shows like mine and yours, who.

This is how they live. That's right. And so, like, I got no respect for them doing just two days in New York. And they do way more than that. Cause they gotta sell those books.

And like, if somebody says, hey, you know, come to my event and will sell 250 books, they're like, 250. It's pathetic, right? I sell anyone for under a thousand. I said, if they don't buy 1000. Books, I won't show more than that.

When you think about, I like 1000. Books and $90,000, and then I'll show less and less. People in this country just simply read. Certainly not a book. Actually, my sales.

Kara Swisher
Triple audio. Triple sales on audio. Right. Because of the podcast audience. Probably so will mine, because I read the whole book and so.

Bill Maher
Yeah, but even that. What? That's really good. I don't usually drink the darker ones. This is a lighter one here.

Are you having tequila? I have two tequila. God bless you. Okay. I like that better.

Kara Swisher
This is the celebrity one, the Randy whatever. Ding dong. The husband of Cindy Crawford.

Him. Oh, right. Yeah. Randy. Handsome Randy.

Bill Maher
And Clooney. Clooney is not as good as this. Right. And this is. I call this the Kardashian.

Kara Swisher
Is this the Kardashian? Yeah. Cause that's Kendall. Kendall. Is it?

She's a genius. Yeah. I don't know. She's a fucking genius. They've been nice to me, so I keep their.

I just was with Kim Kardashian in Germany, and she's fine. I'm sure they're very nice people. I mean, and I think they're. Chris would rip your face off if she had to. She would eat it, you know, for lunch.

Bill Maher
I had her right there. She was very nice. She's very nice. But I'm just saying she's a sharp entrepreneur. Yes.

Kara Swisher
That's all I mean, is she's got all the characteristics of an entrepreneur. She really is. So is Kim. So does Kim. Yeah.

Bill Maher
And it seems like they're not afraid to be on all the time with that. No. Like, everything they are is. Yeah. It doesn't make them bad people.

I mean, I'm a capitalist. Yeah. Does that make me a bad person? Are you? I'm a capitalist.

Okay, good. Both capitalists. Even Elizabeth Warren said I'm a capitalist to my bones. Yeah. Okay.

So, yeah, I think she is. I mean, these people who. And again, let's not go back to all the kids, but it's just, to me, perfect example of when you don't teach kids things right. And when they have the. Combined with the bad attitude of we don't need to know a lot of things.

Cause we're just we were given trophies as a child, and so we just know we're exceptional. Cause our parents told us that constantly. You're fucking exceptional. That is not true. But I'm gonna push back.

But a lot of parents do put that in their kids minds, okay? This is how you get kids saying things like communism. Maybe we should give that another try because they didn't learn about it and how awful and incredibly evil it is. And because they didn't bother to, like, look in the past because, oh, you tried it before? Yeah.

Get off my lawn, old man. I'll find out for myself. And it's like, no, you know, us older people, we know things. Cause we live through them. Like, we know about communism.

I don't know firsthand, thank God. Because it's one of the most corrosive things that ever happened. I would agree. Yeah. Yeah.

Kara Swisher
Although, again, I had a discussion with my son about this. He's like. He goes when people say we should try communism, I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Have you read history? But he's read history.

Bill Maher
Good parents. Not every parent gives their kids, like, constant. You're fantastic. I was quite hard on the kids. No, everyone does any.

Kara Swisher
I understand. But I'm just saying there's less parents. You think that do that? If we cannot speak English, there's a. Whole group of idiot parents and then there's actually really good parents.

What is that you're putting in there? It's summing to roofie, drink. And I'm going to turn you back to heterosexuality tonight. You're going to love it. And you're going to thank me for it, just like you thank Jonathan.

Bill Maher
You're gonna thank me. No, no, no, no. I always need these persistent reminders of why I'm gay. And here we are again. Why?

What did I do? No, I'm teasing you. I'm teasing you. No, I mean, I understand that completely. No, I mean, I understand why women don't wanna be around a lot of men.

Kara Swisher
Right? Why I like men and I just. Sleep with them, too. But, like, I'm not sure I would. If I was a woman, I would not have wanted to be around me at 2025.

Bill Maher
I mean, I had some good qualities, sure. I mean, I must have. I had some loving girlfriends. But, like, until I was even 50, like, I just feel like I didn't have a clue. Oh, this is ginseng.

Kara Swisher
That's what this is. It's not ginseng. It's ginseng. It's called ging. But it's not ginseng.

It says it right here. Like I say, it's a bunch of ginseng. Ginseng? Really? Oh, yeah.

Bill Maher
I don't know if I. Is that. Yes. You're drinking ginseng. 190 milligrams of american ginseng root per serving.

Kara Swisher
You're doing the ginseng. Does that make you. Does that get you, like, hard? What?

Bill Maher
Like caffeine? I don't know what ginseng. It's the ginseng. I know. I don't think it had ginseng.

Kara Swisher
It has tons of it. Do you not read bottles? That's ridiculous. This is like if we were married and it was a terrible marriage, but people used to get into terrible marriages. Cause you couldn't even be gay, right?

Bill Maher
And then there are things people like about each other. And I do like you. I legitimately like you. I really do. I know you do.

Kara Swisher
It's interesting. I see past your bluster. I'm not blustering. No? No.

Bill Maher
I mean, you're both. Maybe we're too alike. We're wysiwyg, I think. Well, we're not bullshitters. You know what wysiwyg means?

We're not. No. What you see is what you get. Exactly. It's a tool.

We're not bullshitters. I mean, it's great to leaven that with charm, which, apropos of what I was just saying, is something I don't think I did enough before I was. You know, I understand why a woman would want to be around me now because I'm very nice. How are you? Yeah, but, like, I just feel like when you're young, you're just so insecure and stupid.

I'm talking about me. Okay? I won't broaden it out. No, probably not. Women mature at a much younger age.

Men are. I mean, again, I won't talk for everybody, but come on. I know a lot of guys. It's everybody. We just immature till very late in life.

It's a shame. Well, you know the old joke, I like men. I have three sons, as you know, and I like men because the old joke, you don't have to sleep with them. So lesbians really like men? I do not know why people don't think, Les.

Kara Swisher
Why wouldn't we? We don't have to. They like us. They leave us alone for the most part. Right.

Bill Maher
Anyway, I say, in my act, girls like dick. How do I know this? Because they're willing to put up with men to get some. Yeah, I would say maybe they don't as much as you think. Well, I would say you have that backwards.

Most women, I mean, look, I would agree. It doesn't make. Okay, so here's what I agree with. A lot of women lately have been saying to me, I think I'm gonna become a lesbian. And I'm like, that's not because they don't like you.

Like, that's not because they don't like dick. It's because nobody administers it correctly. Okay. Or it comes with a bunch of other bullshit that's not even worth it. Of what it's attached to.

Kara Swisher
Yes. Yeah. But they would actually like, you know, in a more appealing package of all sorts. You know, polite, nice, kind thought, thinking of you and your needs and all the things, you know, and. Communicative.

Communicative. You know, they. Communicative. They. I mean, guys today, I think, have been ruined by the phone.

I would agree. Okay. I think the phone, more than anything, fucked them up. Women are communicative. Why am I saying it wrong?

I don't know. You haven't even started smoking yet. Communicative creatures. And the phone is antithetical to that. It's just.

Bill Maher
Wazzup. Yeah. It's also porn. You know, porn. There's always something on it.

Kara Swisher
It pulls people in. I think porn is really evil, which has always been the problem. It hasn't always been evil, but it's evil now. I mean, it's just too rapey. It's all evil.

It's been evil for a long time. You think early Playboy was evil? Not early playboy, but there was some really dark stuff in porn for years. But that's. Besides, now it's easily available.

And that's what the problem is. Everything is easily available. It's just. And on demand. I mean, there was a time when they made actual movies with, you know, pubic hair and acting and storylines and.

Yeah. Really good storylines. Well, there was. I saw a documentary on this. There was a peak, like, somewhere in the nineties where.

Bill Maher
Excuse me. It was still on vhs, right? But it had become. There was a little renaissance, flowering period where they were actually making movies, porn movies with a million dollar budget, which doesn't sound like a lot, but for a porn movie, it's crazy, right? That's a lot.

Because people. It was before they had the Internet and you could just see clips and stuff. So it was just. You saw the movie and you waded through the boring parts about the pizza delivery guy coming over, and so they actually tried to make them. There was one interesting.

I think it's about. They were pirates. They had costumes and the ship. I mean. I mean, it wasn't the Johnny Depp movies, but, you know, it was like a million dollars.

Kara Swisher
It's kind of porny themselves, the Johnny Depp movies. Right. It's kind of trans and looking good and. Well, pirates are. I think pirates are.

Bill Maher
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they very often use the. Term pirates are really gay is what they are.

Don't they use the term pirate frequently? To. Heck they do. Yes. That's what I was gonna say.

And. And also business like the corporate raiders and. Because obviously they. I don't know what the dictionary definition of pirate is, but apparently it refers really to unlawful raiding. Right.

Isn't that what pirates did? Yes, unlawful raiding and rapists. Yeah, I think. What? They're rapists?

Kara Swisher
Well, you know, I mean, my. Yes, indeed. But I think they. They love to use that term. And Apple had it flying over there.

Headquarters at one infinity loop or whatever. Yeah, they had the pirate flag. So their slogan was don't do evil or something. No, that was Google. Try to keep them.

Right. The performative stuff. Correct. So Apple had the pirate flag, and they kind of look at themselves as pirates, even though they're the last thing they would flee screaming from a pirate, an actual pirate, because it's an attempt to make themselves feel. They all really fear you.

Bill Maher
Don't they? Do what? They do. I don't know why. I know why.

Kara Swisher
Why? Because just say bad things about them. I don't say bad things. I say truthful things about them, mister truthful. Sometimes they're bad.

Well, sometimes they are bad. Sometimes I say good things when I like them. Right. So they just don't say a lot. Of bad things about them, too.

Bill Maher
I mean, and they are in many ways, you know, as bad as any robber Baron class. Correct. Well, of course they're not gonna like that. Well, yeah, but it's just the truth. I think one of the things that shows me crazy.

Kara Swisher
And you're talking about performative pirating, for example, which is so performative, like, you just put on, like, a basic leather outfit and do the same shit. But they had to put on their scarves and the parrots and the peg legs, et cetera. Who did this now? Pirates did this. Oh, actual pirates.

I'm just saying, you didn't have to be like that to be a pirate. You don't have to dress different. Right. You didn't have to have a different leg. Was performative.

Bill Maher
Okay, fine. They lost the leg and they had. The peg, but nonetheless, it's a big sacrifice for art. Let's be clear. Pirates are this sort of drag show of those ages, right?

Kara Swisher
Essentially. And so one of the things that tech people like to do is they are very performative and as opposed to, say, an investment banker. An investment banker doesn't go to you, Carol. What I really want to do is save the world. And, you know, the pharmaceutical executive.

World peace is my goal. But the tech people insisted on having that. Like, I'm here to change the world. One of my first articles for the Wall Street Journal was all these bullshit. Such a good point.

You know, like, we're all equal here, except I have stock that controls everything. Nobody has titles. We're just in hoodies. We're just this. Except the hoodies cost hundreds of dollars.

They were cashmere hoodies. And so it would drive me crazy that they would. The reason my first line of my book is it was capitalism, after all, was because that's what it was. But they insisted on these. Don't be evil.

Don't be evil. Why does it have to go to evil to start with? Why can't it be, don't be slightly damaging to young teen girls. Like, they had to go to evil. And therefore, there was no room.

Everything in front of it was okay. Right, right. And so they're very performative as to their role because they love video games and they see themselves as ready player one in these video games. And. But in general, I mean, they sort of, like, symbolize a large part of what people don't like about the left these days.

They're not left perform crap. I know, but they certainly are seen as left. And they vote, but they aren't. They never were. They vote left.

Bill Maher
Silicon Valley votes Democrat. They do, but not the leaders, not the people who really count with the. Money and the means. They were libertarian light. I would say libertarian light, but they see themselves and want to present themselves and are regarded as on the left.

Kara Swisher
No, I disagree with you. They were libertarian light. How they're perceived or they know that different because. Because tolerant about gay people. Tolerant about, you know, they have tolerance that is sort of.

But it's all in favor of making more money. It's like they like gay people because maybe they can make them money. Like, one of the things that the right don't get is like, you should like anyone who could make you money. Like, that's the kind of thing. And so they try to pretend it was out of a love of society, but in fact, it's a love of money.

And I'm agreeing with you. What makes them libertarian like? Because most of them never expressed a political opinion ever. Elon Musk. I never knew what his politics was for until recently.

Right? I just didn't. I had no idea someone was like, was he always this right? I'm like, he was nothing. Bill Gates.

Nothing. Mark Zuckerberg, I couldn't tell you what? He never expressed a political opinion. None of them did. Ever.

And except for government. Leave me alone. That they always said. But, like, Mark Zuckerberg gave $100 million to Newark. To Newark.

I mean, performative. Okay, I'm agreeing with you. Why are you fighting with me, honey? I am. Even when I'm agreeing with you.

Bill Maher
I'm gonna pull this. You're drinking ginseng. Let's keep that in mind. I'm gonna pull this rv. I looked it up.

Kara Swisher
You're drinking ginseng. I'm gonna pull this rv over. Yeah. Okay. And kick you out because Clarence Thomas and his wife are in the rv behind me.

Oh, God, I so much want to be in that rv. Like, in the closet. Don't you like what's going on with them? Don't you think they have really good sex, those two? I'm just raising better.

You know what? When you get with the nutty one, she better. Fuck you good. Nutty girl. She must be.

Bill Maher
Yes. There must be something. Either they're having no sex. No. A lot.

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Kara Swisher
Yes, of course. Yeah? Yeah, I like it. And what do you think? I end up talking to the strippers a lot.

A lot of them are lesbians, which is interesting, which I thought was interesting. I end up discussing their homes and stuff like that. I like them. You know what they're like, what their life is like. Oh, you meant, like, advising on.

No, no, no. Yeah. You should buy this house. It's really good real estate. I give them real estate tips.

I'm always there during ces, when I used to go to ces in Vegas and I went to the spearmint rhino. You've been there? Yeah. Have I ever been there? It doesn't ring a bell.

Bill Maher
Yes, I've been there. And it's a great club, all the. Tech, to be honest with you. Mark Cuban invited me to come, so I went with him because he's a lot of fun, and so. And you can't get into those clubs if you're a woman, if you're not with a man.

Kara Swisher
Do you know that you have to have a man bring you in, which I switch a room because they told me, I asked. They thought it's either an ex wife coming to be mad at their husband or wife, or it's like a feminist coming in to yell at everybody. Is that legal? I'm just telling you. That's what.

Bill Maher
No, I'm asking you. I don't know. I don't know. It sounds like the kind of thing that might not be legal by the. Whatever.

I know, but I'm just wondering, the idea that you can exclude someone if they're not, with all the gender, you know, switching and stuff we do now, how could you even enforce that? Well, I identify. Yes. Couldn't you say? I identify as a man?

So, in essence, I'm with a man. I went on a lesbian bachelor party there, and we couldn't get in, and so I had to call a friend of mine I knew was playing poker. He walked us in. I made him come over. He brought a lot of ones, so that was fun.

Kara Swisher
But I like strip clubs. Okay. I'm fine with them. But what happens is, during Ces, there's a lot of tech bros in there. And so I go and say, hey.

And it makes them deeply uncomfortable, and I enjoy that. And they're always going to the back where things are happening in the back. This is an issue that Hamas does not have to worry about. No, I do. That's correct.

Bill Maher
What happens in strip clubs. That is true. But I don't mind them. I like that. They're fine.

That would be a funny man on the street to go to someplace. Well, let's hope the war is over soon. This man on the street in Gaza, like, asking, is there a strip club in town? That's nice. I don't know if there were just.

Kara Swisher
That's really sick. Shocking to you? I wrote one of the earliest columns about why does Silicon Valley take money from Saudis and those countries? Because of the way they treat women and everything else. So just, they just.

They have a lot of. I wrote a lot about them, like, how can they do this? And then sort of cosplay being, you know, feminists or whatever. They're not really feminists, but you know what I mean. It's.

Bill Maher
My next editorial is about, if you kids really are looking for a cause, I got one for you. Yeah, I really do. Yep. Mohammed Bonsai. What is it?

Kara Swisher
Mohammed Bonsai. The MBS. That's the nickname that I gave him. Have you met him? Are you kidding?

I never go. I wrote like, I can't believe these people are investing with these people, taking. You wouldn't talk to MBS in a. Place where I felt safe. Yes.

Bill Maher
Right? Yes. Yes. I certainly would. All right, well, there's a city called Bonesaw Village.

Kara Swisher
Yes. No, I certainly wouldn't go to Saudi Arabia. I would not even. I wouldn't feel safe. I've been there once, and I got into big arguments with people, and that doesn't make.

Bill Maher
And there are people now saying you're islamophobes. No. Well, you know, phobe means fear. And if you have a legitimate fear, that doesn't make you a phobe. I would be worried, as someone who's been a critical person toward what they.

Kara Swisher
How they treat women and gay people. So I would say that's what I'm fearful of. It's not the whole. Again, we talked about this earlier. The whole group of them.

No, but the leadership. Absolutely. Well, actually, sometimes it's the reverse. I hate to tell you. I know that's even worse.

Bill Maher
But there are definitely places in this world, Pakistan comes to mind because I've read many stories about it. It is the government that's trying to get the people to be more modern. There was a story, I think I'm remembering this correctly, a boy was in madrasa. And by the way, madrasa, you know, not something you really see in other cultures, that kind of school that just teaches one book. And the headmaster was saying something like, raise your hand if you don't believe in the prophet Muhammad.

And nobody raised their hand. But one kid thought he said he misinterpreted it, so he raised his hand and then, of course, did the normal thing and went home and cut his hand off. Oh, my God. Is that true? I believe you could say.

Kara Swisher
Feels like an Internet conspiracy theory. I know. No, really? You think the world is that sane everywhere? No, I don't think it's sane.

I think religion is. I'm with you on that one. I read this story. I know you got a lot of sources. I'm going to say I'm 95% sure.

Bill Maher
Can I say no? But I'm pretty sure because I remember reading it and it was in a reputable source. I think religion makes people crazy. It does in the extreme. I don't mind faith and people feeling good about things and going.

But I'm just saying. The federal government in Islamabad, I think, is often to the left of where. The trying to crack down the ritual. Stuff village life is. Yeah, I would agree.

Okay, so that's. We agree. Are you surprised? You're like, oh, a liberal lesbian from San Francisco who might. You know, I wanted to join the military, too, just so you know.

No, no. Look, we contain multitudes to say. Exactly. No, no. I'm always interested in what your exact opinion is gonna be.

Because it's like, I feel like, again, we're kind of similar this way. You don't have to suss it out. And I don't wanna suss it out. Just tell me what you think. Maybe I'll agree, maybe I won't.

But I don't wanna have a lot of lateral movement where I'm like, there are people in this world who I really like them, but they just have the kind of personality where they. They're too agreeable. You know, they just never want to. They're non confrontational. So it's like, do you really think that?

Because I just said the reverse five minutes ago and you were there, you know? Well, they could be secretly seething inside. I think a lot of people, although now I do think that people. I do think online has jumped offline now a lot more people are seeing everything they think in their fucking heads. And sometimes I'm like, maybe you shouldn't say it.

Kara Swisher
Maybe you should put down the Twitter. Put down. There's so many. A couple years ago, there was a reporter who was on Twitter and was responding to people. And I wrote them.

Finally I said, you're responding to bots that are trying to upset you. You need to put the fucking phone down right now and stop it. And so I do think a lot of people now have. That has jumped offline online has jumped offline now in many ways where people feel they can say whatever they think, or everyone has to have an opinion about everything, of which they don't have any expertise in, which drives me crazy, which is problematic. I think there's a lot of non expert experts on everything.

And so that sort of drives me crazy. People just feel they need to produce an opinion about something instead of just saying, you know what, Gaza? I really don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Or you got blamed by Bill Burr the other day. What was it?

That was funny. I got what flamed by Bill Burr. It was great. You know, he was like giving you a hard time for not knowing something. It was very funny.

Bill Maher
Well, we were playing. I mean, that I loved. That was a great interview. Thank you again. Hardly an interview.

What that really was and what I love about this show is that it wasn't an interview. It was like we just naturally fell into this comedy team paradigm where I'm the pompous professor and he's the meathead regular guy and it's a great comedic trope. I mean, it works as a conceit. And so without planning it just by. Being it, it was kind of like Art Carney and Jackie Gleason.

Kara Swisher
That's what it felt like. Yeah, very much. Yeah. And I was happy to play that role. I mean, it wasn't really me.

Bill Maher
And that, of course, he's not dumb in a meathead either. Oh, no. But he is, like, very often bereft of knowledge on things that you and I would take for granted and talk. Talk about. He's not a political person.

He doesn't know. I'm guessing he knows what NATO and the ACLU is. Although I'm not sure about the AClu. Anyway. That's okay.

Kara Swisher
But that was a good show. People like that. Oh, good. Yeah. So you have heard this before.

Heard what? This podcast. I like it. Yeah. Oh, thank you.

I like it. Isn't it funny that we could, like. I was worried about the weed, but I'm good. Do yours and then do yours. So different.

Yeah. And it just shows that we're mature people who have different sides. That's correct. And like, I mean, not to make too big a thing of it, but it is sort of what we were talking about on your show, about what America has to do to repair itself is like, you can be those other two people and then you can be these people. Right?

I mean, I think that's hard. That's what America has to do. One of the things that was interesting writ large when I was going on your show, a lot of my friends were like, you can't go on a show. He's changed so much. And I was like, one, I want to fucking sell a book.

Which is, I'm a capitalist. Two, I think we're not able to talk to people who are. The fact that we're not able to talk to people, we've decided to make lists is from fucking people. I gotta say people. Certain people.

I'm not going to Marjorie Taylor Greene's podcast. Cause she's a liar and a crazy person. Right. And so that's different. There's no conversation happening there.

There's just performative ranting, essentially. And I don't think there's anything to be learned from a conversation like that. But people who think I've changed a lot, to me, that's so much more about them. That's so much more about being locked in your tribal silo where you're comfortable and anything that disturbs you from there is something that, well, that's changed too much, or I can't deal with that. That's not who I'm working to anymore.

I'm surprised online. I get that a lot, too. Like, I did this, I was telling you, I was in Germany with Kim Kardashian doing something just there. And I got some people like, oh, cool, that's interesting. Or whatever.

Most of it is. But then there's this sort of, like, how could you speak to her and then lecturing me on it. Oh, come on. All the time. And one of the things I always do, and same thing, if I get it from the right or the left, the bitch.

I said, it's none of your fucking business. Whatever. But what, but I don't understand what the clause. Isn't she bad for women? Isn't she bad for.

Bad for women, whatever. Some people are like that. Others are like, she's, you know, just a terrible. I was sort of perplexed. I'm like, what do you.

First of all, one. What do you care what I do? One. And I'm sort of of that Woody Guthrie thing, which is mind your own business. So you won't be minding mine.

Like, it doesn't. And I'm not like, how could you do that as. Cause they have an idea of me as sort of like, this fighter for them, which is interesting. And I agree. I do that.

I do that, sure. But I don't have to fit into a trope of what. I don't have to go along with everything. You don't have to fit into a trope. The people who say I've changed, they don't get on that.

Bill Maher
They have to fit into a trope. You've changed a little bit, I think you've changed a little bit. Everybody changes a little bit. But again, did I react to the change? Yes, but I reacted the way I've always reacted to news stories.

Kara Swisher
Right. You know, so, I mean, that, to me, is not a fundamental change, but. I think probably the biggest trope. He's like, look, we get that you've been out front with Trump on the Trump stuff, right? You've been way out front.

You were very early about, he's not gonna give up power. He's a fascist kind of thing. That was sort of your trope a while ago, or your, or the things, the assertions you were making. Not a trope. And later, when you attack the left.

And it's interesting because it also happened when I did an interview with Mark Benioff where he called Facebook. This will make sense, I promise. Facebook, a cigarette company, and all these people reacted like class traitor. That's what I felt like. You know what I mean?

How could he, as a fellow billionaire, point out something that's glaringly obvious to everyone else? It's addictive. It's a problem. They don't care about safety. They don't.

They care about money over growth, over everything, and they are taking responsibility for the damage they do. That's all he was saying, right. Which was as clear as day. The fact that when I say it, it's like, oh, she's tough on us. When he said it, he was a class trader.

That's what I got. Which I thought was interesting. And so one of the things that I think is interesting is when you agree to talk to people you disagree with. Like when I did a Liz Cheney interview, same thing. They're like, how can you talk to her?

She likes wars. I'm like, yes, she does. And so I will talk to her about why she likes wars. Right. You know, or whatever.

I know that. You know what I mean? I'm just. That's the broad thing is, you know, she gets a lot of. Cause she's loyal to her dad.

And her dad was a problematic figure at best in american history. He is. He's gonna. It's gonna be a complicated. But even Iraq, I would.

Bill Maher
Now, I was against the Iraq war, as many of us were. But I will concede all these years later, like, in 50 years from now, what will people say about that? I'm not saying it will change. I'm saying you couldn't. You don't have to get a feather to knock me over with if it does change, because I've seen in my life, I'm holding up enough things which I thought were one way and then weren't right.

And just, that's why I said, here, I'm not gonna lose my nervous system about Trump again because he absolutely is a horrible threat, and he could blow up the world on day one, or he could just sit there and eat cheeseburgers and call into fox and friends every day for four years. He's so unpredictable. I'm just not gonna lose it until it happens. One has the hope that maybe he's just old. He'll just be old.

Kara Swisher
But I think what, see, I think the issue with people, with you, at least with you, and I'll tell you, the issue that tech people have with me is I'm not a constant fan of them. Who? Tech people. Right, right. I'm not constantly, even though I do love tech, and that's why the subtitle of my book was a tech love story.

I love tech, right. But I don't love what they've done with the place. And for some reason, those things can't coexist. And that's a problem. I think the issue with someone like you is that you, the focus on Biden versus the danger of Trump, that they're like you're focusing on the scones don't taste very good when the house is burning down.

I'm just telling you, you know, that. You're aware of that. We've talked about it on the show. Yeah. Almost everybody who I could think of, who I really respect, we're kind of all on the same page here, which is like, we lose our credibility if we don't talk about, as if they're not going to notice Biden's old place, like, do an old job.

Bill Maher
Oh, wow, honey. I had never seen that before. You know, Bill Maher makes a good point. Joe Biden is old. Yeah.

I mean, or whatever it is, I can't say it enough. I said it many times. I would vote for his head in a jar of blue liquid over Donald Trump. But that doesn't mean that I'm not. First of all, I don't think, I think it's a moot point at this point.

He's gonna fucking lose. Who? Biden? Yes. No, you're wrong.

Kara Swisher
No, I'm gonna bet you. Oh, great. What should we bet? No, nothing. You can.

I have ownership of this place. No. Come on. No, I'm not ownership. It's not the kind of thing.

I throw a bitchin'lesbian party here. No, you're not invited. He wins. Not only will I not bet on this premise. You could change my mind on it in the next two minutes.

Right. I'm telling you, he's gonna win. Convince me. All right. There is a, you remember the silent majority with Nixon, correct?

Bill Maher
Yes. There's a silent majority of people who really don't like Donald Trump. And I can't, I don't think they're that silent. I think they're, no, there's a noisy group, certainly, and they, and there are elements of, you know, going too far. But there is a quiet group of people.

Kara Swisher
And I have a lot of people who are Trump relatives. And now they're women. They're all women. Right. There's a lot of men who, in my family, people I talk to, various people who are like, I'm voting for Trump.

All the women, quietly. No, absolutely not. And so I think there is that benefit. I think the issue is where the votes are. Right.

And I think that's definitely the worry is if it's in Michigan, if it's in Nevada, if it's in Arizona, Pennsylvania, those issues. But as a whole, I think people will look at him and say, I just don't want that again. And Biden is the less problematic person who we kind of know how it's going to go and we don't want chaos again because I think people are sick of chaos. That is an absolutely possible scenario. This is why I would not bet on something like this.

Bill Maher
Do I think that's absolutely possible to describe? Yes. Or it could not be. And I can't tell the difference. It could go that way.

There's also something called the reverse, the shy Trump voter. Oh, I don't think they're shy anymore. Those. No, what you're talking about, again, you're talking about the people who, you see, the shy Trump voter is specifically something else. The shy Trump voter is the one who's going to vote for Trump but doesn't want you to know it because it's a little declasse and they don't want in whatever the company they're in.

I mean, any place you went in this town, no one would say they're voting for Trump. And I'm sure he's going to get some votes. Oh, absolutely. Oh, I think more than you think here. No, I, especially because of Israel.

Kara Swisher
I think it's because 100%. And also, then on the other side, which is the problem Biden has, he's a reasonable person, an unreasonable age. Right. Yes. You know, like, he's just.

Bill Maher
Well said. Well, you know, Gaza, there's a lot of really problematic situation there. At the same time, we need to defend Israel. You can't run up the middle anymore, right? Absolutely can't run up the middle.

No. And he needs a sister soldier moment. Sister. Oh, like that. Oh, for Trump, you mean.

Or no, sister soldier. No, I remember it was during Obama. No, Clinton. Clinton. Sorry, Clinton.

Kara Swisher
Obama was the other guy, the reverend member. Yeah, there's always one. Sister Soldier was not a very famous, as I recall, rapper who said that. Something like, I think there was this right after maybe the Rodney King. You want more ginseng beating.

Bill Maher
Yeah. Sexual vitality right now. Sexual vitality. Oh, I could say a million things. Oh, go right ahead.

Kara Swisher
But sisters also a lesbian who doesn't mind dick jokes, as you know. Well, you came to the right club, random, let me tell you. I haven't done any. Really? I usually do six or seven by this time with Scott.

Bill Maher
Well, next time we're at the Spearmint. And rhino together, we should go with Cuban and Galloway. What lesbian should we bring? Megan Rapinoe. Well, let me put it this way.

Anytime I'm in Vegas, so it's really on you guys. You go in the back room. No, no, no, I would. Yes. Okay.

You can argue with me on a million things. Oh, you know, except one thing. I don't know that. Here's the one thing. You can't argue about me and what I'm like and what I do.

Kara Swisher
No, I mean you. But isn't that the room where many people. But I'm just saying, lots of things go on in different strip clubs. Yes, I would imagine for a number of reasons, but including the fact that. Cleanliness would be on the top of that list.

Bill Maher
That's part of it. And also just like, I don't need trouble. And yes, people could say anything happened if you're like, in some dark room. I don't want to, and I don't want to do that. A strip club used to be somewhat more.

When they first had these high end strip clubs in the nineties, they were a lot classier. The women wore gowns. There was no lap dance. You know, they didn't grind on your dick. That's what I think ruined strip clubs.

It made it sleazy, it made me feel bad for the girls. I felt like the way I feel about football players, you know, like, oh, this is entertaining, but is he getting brain damage right now? Well, it's third and ten, and so they kind of ruined it. And I don't want to participate in that. I just feel like a strip club is a place you can go one.

It's not too loud, which. Most places are too loud. Even bars, restaurants can be too loud. It's quiet like the spearmint rhino has that great vip lounge. There's hardly anybody in there.

You can just sit at a bar. The secret to a strip club is to pretend you're in a regular club. I see. Then anything better that happens is like, oh, my God. All right, I'm glad we cleared this up.

This beautiful naked girl came over and started talking to me. When does that happen? Down at, you know, PJ Hitler's or wherever you. PJ Hitler's. Well, we used to say in New York there were so many bars called PJ that you could.

Kara Swisher
PJ Clark. You could name anyone. You could name anyone PJ. So we had PJ Hitler's was the joke. But that's a good Hitler joke.

There's not too many of them. There's not too many of them. That was a long time ago. I was just in New York. Yeesh.

Bill Maher
Wow. And beautiful. Where are the view? I saw the view and all of them.

Oh, no. I love another group of people that. Oh, I loved it. And I murder you and there'd not. Be a trace of you.

Kara Swisher
They could murder you and not be a trace of you and you wouldn't know that group. No. Joy Behar did the book reading with me that night. I love her. Whoopee.

Bill Maher
I love. I mean, the other ones I had just met, they were nice. Yeah, we got along. She called me brilliant on the air. Oh, wow.

Kara Swisher
Sunny did? Yeah. Oh, good. So that's nice. And, you know, we saw.

Bill Maher
Well, I think we all got along great. You were very well behaved. It was nice. You're selling them both.

Well behaved and got my point in big time. Yes. So as long as you can do both. But, no, I didn't pussy out. Did you like the green room?

Kara Swisher
I thought the food was fantastic. There was no food, as I recall. Really interesting. I got a lot of really great food. Oh, yeah.

Bill Maher
At that hour? I mean, I don't know. You probably weren't paying attention. I mean, trust me, 11:00 a.m. i'm not up at 11:00 a.m.

the idea. That's what I'm guessing on the air in makeup. I was judging green rooms as I did my book tours. Oh, my gosh. That was.

Kara Swisher
You have a good green room. You have an excellent green room. Oh, excellent. Good swag. And the staff.

Bill Maher
How great is my staff? They're very loyal to you. It's interesting. I found that interesting. Some of them have been there 30 years.

Kara Swisher
That's correct. They keep telling me that. And, you know, they keep telling you that. No, I think it's interesting. No, it is.

It is. No, I mean, a lot of people offer it to me as a compliment. Like your people. It is a compliment. Yeah, they like to.

Bill Maher
And look, we are a bit of a family. I mean, when you're together with people that long and it really works because, like, am I the boss who, like, claps everybody on the back all the time? No, I'm not. I'm just not. That's one thing I don't do well.

Hey, you did a great job this week. First of all, I don't see most of the people, right. I see the people in the writers meeting, you know, the writers and the few producers and everybody else. I see them at the Christmas party at the end of the year, and I go around and we. And I catch up on them, and I want them to know I appreciate them.

I just don't talk to people, you know, I'm just. I'm all business. You are very shy. People don't ask me all business. When I about you.

Kara Swisher
I said, he's quite shy. I would say if I had a bad. I'm not shy, but when I'm at work, I'm all business, and I don't have time for that bullshit, and it doesn't mean anything to anybody. And by the way, I remember when I had bosses, I liked it more when they weren't. Don't.

Bill Maher
You don't have to talk to me. It's always awkward because you're the boss. So we're not really as relaxed as we'd like to be. And what if I said the wrong. So just.

Let's just. But be kind. Don't never yell. Don't get mad at stupid shit, you know? Yes.

Once a year, we'll catch up on each other. What do you do after the shows? Depends on the night.

Dinner with friends. I mean, sometimes just stay home. We've taped some club randoms after the show Friday night, you know, get me while I'm already in makeup. So you just do it. Well, if somebody is in town, like you're in town now, we wanted to get you now, I don't know if it was ideal to do it after we did yours, but I'm loving it, so, you know.

But that's it. Sometimes that's the great thing about podcasting, is, especially in your house. You can kind of, like, just do it whenever, you know. I mean, just turn on the cameras. I built them into the wall for a reason.

We don't even need a cameraman. Right? Right. I know. There's cameras everywhere.

Great. Then we always feel like this is just. I wanted to always feel like this would be no different than you're sitting around in it. And I don't think I would. No, I wouldn't have said anything worse or better to you.

Kara Swisher
Yeah. I still didn't answer my question, which is interesting. You're quite good at that. What. What do you do in your free time?

You don't do sports, right? You don't do anything? I love basketball. Oh, you play basketball? Oh, you have a court here.

Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. That's my passion. Is it? Well, as far as physical activity, not pickleball.

I don't see you. I started that. I love that. You like it? Yeah, I was making fun of it, and I played it once.

Bill Maher
I was like, oh, I see what they're talking about. It is fun. It's kind of like half court basketball. You took out half the boring part. They made tennis smaller.

Kara Swisher
Yes, exactly. It's not so slow. Right. And when you're older, you don't want to run that much. I like pickleball.

Bill Maher
Yeah. So that's cool. I mean, I only played it once, but, yeah, you know, I mean, one of the great things about being older is that you collect friends. I mean that in the best sort of way. Over the decades, even, you know, if you have two or three really good friends that you come to know in a decade, you know, when you get to be in your sixties, like, you know, a lot of great people.

So, like, there's never enough hours to see all the people I'd like to see and stuff like that. And, you know, to just hang. Sweet hang. Well, you know, look, I don't have. Any free time, so that's why I have lots of kids.

Kara Swisher
So I spend it. Healing America is your goal. I don't have time for women. I have to heal America. That's what I'm doing.

Bill Maher
I'm healing America. Yeah, that's your job. So your kids tell me the ages now. 20, 219. Four and two.

Kara Swisher
So I'm a straight white man. I had a second marriage. That's what I'm doing. That's what I'm doing. It's true.

But it's actually true. I literally am that guy. Right? I'm that guy with the two families. The blended family.

Bill Maher
Another great title. Yeah, I'm that guy. I'm that guy. But I like, what's the other one? Tell them what the other.

Kara Swisher
The other one was something slut information. Slut information. I'm gonna do them both and they're gonna be big fucking hits. And it's gonna. You're gonna be like, that was my idea.

Bill Maher
It would not irritate me, give me such information. Slut is the single best. Do you know what? I was gonna. Gonna call one with, I shouldn't tell this story, but I'm going to anyway.

Kara Swisher
When my. I think I'm a pretty good parent. I'm actually really good. My kids are great. They love each other, which is really nice.

And they get an extra. I'll bet you are. They spent a lot of time together during COVID which was. Covid sucked. But that was one of the things is the little kids.

Bill Maher
I'm sure you're a no nonsense mom, which is the best. I'm dad. I'm fun dad. That's who I am. Fun dad.

Kara Swisher
But I am a no nonsense person with them, and I'm pretty strict with them in a lot of ways. And not. I make them think. I make them. I challenge their, like, whenever they say something, I'm like, why did you say that?

Do you know that I didn't do the. Like, at one point, we were at a. They went, the older kids went to private school. The younger kids are gonna be going to public school. But at one of the meetings, they were all the parents, you know, you get in those parent meetings, and I hate going to them.

I hate them. And they were like, every kid is unique. Every kid is special. And so I put my hand up, I go, come on, every kid isn't special. Why are we saying this to them?

Because it's not true. And so they were like, no, every kid is special. I said, every kid is different. That's absolutely true. I said, every kid is unique.

That is 100% true. But every kid is not special and depends on what the judgment is like. Is it money? Is it talent? Is it musical talent?

Is it acting talent? I said, because some kids are not as good as their kid, and we have to be able to say this to them. And so, of course, this group of parents was like, and I think all parents are sort of protected with their kids. It. And they're like, that's not true.

And then I started saying, let's stack rank this fucking room here. Let's do that. I said, because my wife at the time worked for Google, I said, she's the richest, so she's more special than you when it comes to money, that's for sure, earning. And I'm kind of more special to you in journalism, and it was kind of interesting. And so I try to raise my kids not feeling that they're not special, but that they're not.

They don't get extra for. For just being, like, they don't get extra just for doing a good job, or they don't get extra. I think that's important. I've lost my train of thought of this. Before, you protesting the word special.

Bill Maher
It just sounds exactly like something I would do that you don't really need to do it. You could have let it pass. I'm a word person, and we didn't. It's also. It's a little kitty corner to what Larry David does on curb.

Your not politics, but just, it's like, you could have let that pass, but you didn't. I mean, that's a lot of what his things were. I think in the pilot, there's that funny scene at the restaurant where somebody pays for dinner and thanks both of them, and he's like, why is the wife getting thanked? It's like, you don't have to mention that his whole. That is one of my favorite.

His whole brilliant characters, like, things that you could have let it pass, but you just can't help stop yourself. It's literally what in classic literature, they would call a tragic fall. Sometimes I feel like I'm gonna get, like, I was. We went to see. Went.

Kara Swisher
I was just in Nashville just before this, and last time I was there, I went to Dollywood. Cause I love Dollywood. Everyone loves. Who doesn't. You have to.

It's kind of a national situation. You kind of. And she is. She's totally likable. So I went to Dollywood, and it's this great place where, like, literally, it was like the gays, the rednecks, the straights, they were all together, loved with the butterflies.

Everybody's happy, but everyone is happy in Dollywood, and they like each other in Dollywood. Well, we're searching for this answer to. I'm just telling you, Dollywood is the fucking answer for everything. So we're in there, but then you leave, and you go to pigeon Forge, which is now not a small town. It is a big town of a lot of, like, fried dough places.

The pigeon forge is where she was born, but now it's a town based in Dollywood. Pigeon Forge, that's where she's from. You need to get keep up, you need to keep up with the dolly in fridge. Pigeon forge. That's the name of the town, pigeon Forge, Tennessee.

Bill Maher
I know. What does it mean? I don't know. No. Okay, so is it a holler?

Kara Swisher
It was a hauler, but now it's a giant strip mall, essentially, of all this stuff. And my son happens to love cooking. So there was a sign that said biggest knife store. And we're like, oh, let's get you some cooking knives. So we pull up, park the car, and the part I didn't see was biggest knife and gun store.

Right? So we walk in, and so he's going. He's going to look for some knives. And it's like this, like gun, like supermarket, essentially. And so I go in and I'm looking around, and there's a woman, and she's filling up her cart with bullets.

Just filling them up with bullets, right. Doesn't look like you can afford that many bullets because bullets are not inexpensive. Just so you know, filling them up, cart with them. And so I go, I shouldn't do this. This is what I do all the time.

I'm like, why do you need that many bullets? Right? And she's like, it's my right to have that many. I'm going to use a southern accent. She had one.

It was my right to own them. I said, I didn't say you shouldn't buy them. I said, what do you need them for? She goes, well, you're questioning why I want so many bullets? I go, no, I want to know why.

What are you going to shoot with that? Is it like a can? Is it a target? Is it a fake deer? Is it gear a squirrel?

Is it a squirrel? That's a lot of bullets for a squirrel. I was like, why do you need so many? And she started going on about how antifa was coming for her small town. I go, I don't think Antifa wants to come to your shitty little town.

I don't feel like that's the case. And I kept arguing with them. I'm like, why do you need that money? Why do you need to pay the money? Don't you need that money for other things, like your kids or education or things like that?

That. And then I was sort of talking with the gun people. I'm like, why do you need seven? Like, do you need seven? Like, well, we can have them.

I said, I didn't say you couldn't have them. I'm like, why do you need. And I was doing this, and I sort of started to get a crowd and my son was like, let's get the fuck out of here. Mom, what are you doing? And I was like, what am I doing?

Cause they all have guns and you can carry them there, I think. I believe. I don't know. But nonetheless, it's amazing. Of course, we have my gun story.

Bill Maher
We hear about guns and stuff like that. But it is amazing how much if you just do this kind of thing. Like, I should have been in a lot of fights in my life because I am the same way, and yet I've never been in one. Me neither. I just think, like, if you're, if people sense that you're real about it and you're not doing it to make fun of them, right.

Kara Swisher
I wasn't. I wanted to know. I wanted to know. I didn't need it that much. They respect balls, right, right.

Bill Maher
Even if it's not. Not in something that they agree with. Right. Well, they were sort of like, do you not like guns? I said, I like safeguarding ownership.

Kara Swisher
I think certainly it's in the constitution. You should certainly be able to. Well, here's a sentence you'll never hear in America. What? If you're going over to the holler, Holla.

Bill Maher
I'm saying black people do not live in the holler. Some do. That's not true. No, really. There were black people in the stern.

Kara Swisher
Yeah, sure. Lots of people. Maybe they're buying knives, maybe they're buying guns. I don't know. I mean, Appalachia, I think of as very, like I'm often saying to people, well, maybe you're exaggerating.

Bill Maher
Racism still exists for sure. Maybe you're exaggerating. But Appalachia seems like the epicenter of where the kind of racism that we thought of as like, actual, real racism still, unfortunately, I mean, lives, I would. Say, you know, I mean, my grandparents, my grandparents had, I would call casual racism. And I don't mean to use that.

I know exactly what you mean. Oh, no, no, no, honey, don't say. But that you would do that about the polls or the, you know, my sister in law is irish and she said, she called her the potato, you know, things like that, like, or she's drunk or something like that. But one of the things that was interesting, my family's from West Virginia, my dad's family. Oh, really?

Kara Swisher
So, Appalachia, right. And we went there. My dad died when I was little, and my aunt was just very religious. Lovely person. Couldn't be lovelier.

Very, very Jesus y. Jesus was every five words in. And I respected that. That was her faith. And we went there and she gave me a box of stuff for my dad and handed it to me.

And I was looking through it. I was like, oh, wow. It's all these letters that he had and all kinds of things. And then I found some playbills. Looked down at the playbill.

Blackface. A blackface show, right? A minstrel show. My dad was in a minstrel show in high school, 1956, Morgantown, West Virginia, right. Or whatever.

Earlier than that, 52. And I looked at it, and I was like, oh, my God. Wow. And then I saw the script, and I'm like, he was Boxcar Willie. And I was like, oh, my fucking God.

My dad played backface. I didn't know this about him. Also, it was at the time, remember the governor of Virginia, the democratic governor Northam was caught in by. Anyway, so I look at it, and my kids didn't know anything about this really that much. And they go, what is that?

And I go, well, it's blackface. And people would dress up, and they were younger at the time. And I said, they dressed up and they, well, why would they do that? I'm like, well, they thought it was funny, and it wasn't really funny, but this is what they did. This is what happened.

And then white people would put on shows like this, and I was trying to explain it to them, like, in a very, like, even handed tone. And I was like, I don't think it was. Now, today, we can't do that. But. And it wasn't funny.

And it was racist. Clearly racist. And then all of a sudden, my aunt came out of the kitchen. She goes, oh, that was so funny. Everybody loved it.

And I go, okay, everyone didn't love it. And I was trying to help my kids. And she goes, no, everybody didn't. I said, I bet black people didn't like it in your town, right? And she goes, no, everybody didn't.

I said, they didn't say it, but they didn't like. Of course, my guess was they didn't like it. Maybe one did, but Candace Owen did. But whatever. I'm teasing.

So she's like, no, they didn't. I'm like, oh, they didn't? And so that was it. I was like, but kids, like, look, today we gotta look. That was then.

This is now. We know better. I guess. We learn. We evolve.

You don't do that now. It's disrespectful, it's rude, and it's just stupid. It's also stupid. Just at the very basis. And so later, we were washing dishes.

My son goes, oh, my God. I can't believe my grandfather was in black. They said, I've been reading about it on the Internet now. This is crazy. And I said, yeah.

And all of a sudden, my aunt said, I'm not racist. You know, my aunt, who never says a cross word, said, I'm not racist. You know, and very upset about it because she didn't want to be seen as racist because she's a, you know, she's a christian. She's. And I said, okay.

And she goes, well, I'm not. And I said, probably was a little racist. I said, we're all a little racist. We're all racist in some fashion. And it's okay.

Like, it's changed. Things have changed. But you have to realize, you know, what it was. I've never seen her upset once, except that one time, and it was because she thought I thought she was racist, which was, or my kids did. And it was a really interesting, I think, I don't like learning moments, but it was sort of like, huh.

It was such an insight to a lot of Trump supporters, a lot of people. It was such an insight. And she's, I would say, a good person, but she just, it was interesting. I'll finish this. Last thing is, have you ever seen the movie origins?

Ava Duvernay did it and didn't get much attention. Great movie, I have to say. It was based on Isabel Wilkerson's book called Caste. She was trying to change the idea of how we look of racism as more of a caste system. It's an amazing book.

It's about castes in India. Castes, the cast of racism in this country. And what was the third cast? I'm blanking. Anyway, it was just showing how it's not.

It's about social levels and stuff, and we should see it through those, through that prism versus just racism. And we can start to heal if we see it as a caste system. And it was really, it's a really interesting book and somewhat controversial. I interviewed Isabel right after January 6. It was a great interview, but then I interviewed Ava Duvernay about it.

But at the end of the movie, my favorite part of it was, she lives in this house. It's about Isabel's life, and she lives in this house. And there's a scene where she runs into a plumber who's fixing the basement, which is leaking, and there's a lot of mold. He's wearing a trump hat, you know, make America great again. Hat.

And she doesn't know what to do because here's a black woman with the makeup. It was really tense. Like, you're sort of like, oh, no, this is going to be a problem. So they have a really, actually good conversation about his life, which was, she made it about his life and not, they didnt get into this trope of who they each were, you know, liberal black woman, Trump white guy. And at the end of the movie, they say something that I thought was really profound, which was, look, this is the house we live in.

It was built on racism. It was built on all kinds of injustices. Right. And the bones of the house have problems. And in her case, it was a framing foundational problem.

So it's been built badly over the years. Some of it's good, some of it's bad, but there's a lot of bad things. That's not really what we need to be arguing about anymore. What we should argue about is what we're going to do with it now. Exactly.

And that was a really interesting. And I thought, okay, that's a way to get people. And you don't excuse what happened, because I think what's happening in the south about pretending it didn't happen is living. The year we're living here. Right.

But still, you have to live in the world we're living with a knowledge of the world we live in. Correct. And the year we're living in carries the scars of the past. This past lives on in the present like history lives on in the moment we're living in. Except that some people are indeed trying to erase it.

Yes, 100%. Some people are trying to erase it, and some people are trying to exaggerate it. There is a lot more against the erasers than the exaggerators. I can take the exaggerators. Well, there is a lot of weaponization of white.

Certainly, certainly. Look at that. You agreed. I didn't even get to the end of the set. Go ahead.

Bill Maher
No, no, I'm glad. Please cut me off. But I don't know why you have to equalize them. Because the erasers are the real danger of that. No, I disagree.

I think there's a lot of bad that comes from people weaponizing white guilt is what I was gonna say. Because you preach, on the one hand, like Joe Biden the other day, that you have to work ten times as hard, that the world is just so stacked against you, which is not, first of all, it's not true. It can be somewhat stacked against you, and it can help you somewhat to be a person of color. I certainly know this personally, anecdotally from people. And of course there are statistics about it.

I mean, I think a third of, was it in 2022, third of white kids applying to college lied and said they were. That's a racial thing. I understand that. They said they were people of color. Okay, so I'm not saying racism is over or that it's all better to be black.

No, but it's a lot more complicated than it used to be.

Kara Swisher
Except that the erasure or the banning of books, I think, is a very different, that is people who have had. But erasure? You mean like not teaching black real history? Actual history. And by the way, the way we.

Bill Maher
Think that's mostly a bullshit charge. I mean, I was in that all white town we talked about before New Jersey, like in the 1960s. We learned what slavery was and we learned it was wrong. That's correct. And that's the way it should be taught.

And it was, I'm saying. But this is an all white town in 1968, and they weren't erasing history. Why is the republican party obsessed with not talking about it anymore? Because part of it is a reaction to what happened. Talking about it too much.

Yes. Part of it is a reaction to the 1619 kind of idea. Kendi and Robin Dangelo, that racism is everything. That everything, that's what critical race theory really mean. We have to see everything.

And I would agree it is America's biggest, baddest, awfulest sin. There's no close second. But not everything is racism. That's the kind of theme I'm, I. Don'T actually think everyone, I think what happens is certain people get outsized attention for this stuff, for some of it, which is nonsense, it's over the top and they get, you know, Tom Wolfe wrote about it 100 years ago about, you know, the meeting with the Black Panthers.

Not really 100 kids, if you don't know Tom Wolfe. But Tom Wolfe wrote that wonderful piece, which is great. Joan Didion did it, others did it. And one of the, and that those were great to point out the idiocy. Radical chic.

Kara Swisher
Radical chic. Everyone was right to point that out. What year was that? We imagine sixties? Seventies.

Bill Maher
Sixties. Seventies. Seventies, right. Seventies. I think Joan did eat in was seventies, but late sixties, seventies.

Kara Swisher
Yeah, I just pointed out, but more corrosive. And I, as someone who grew up gay in America, I can tell you it's very hard, and you have to do a lot of work not to be pissed off about it. I'm not because I felt great about being gay. But I can tell you, you can see how corrosive it was on so many levels in the ways. And so it takes a much stronger person not to have been affected by it.

And it's really hard. I always say it really is. And I'm not asking for no. I always say there's two ways you can see an issue. Not clearly.

Bill Maher
You can be too far from it. Racially, I will admit to that. I'm too far from it. I'm not black, basically. So I cannot know what it's like to walk through life like that.

You can also not be seeing things clearly by being too close to something. That's the fly on the Mona Lisa theory. You know, the fly and the Mona Lisa cannot appreciate what. Well, it's assuming a fly could appreciate great art. In other words, you're too close to it, so you can't see if your nose was pressed up against a great painting.

You could not. Sure. Get to Mona Lisa. What do you think? I'm like, I've said the same thing for years.

It's typical, like sheep thinking like somebody made the Mona Lisa, like, this greatest thing of art. And now every moron in the world makes a trek and takes a picture of it with their cell phones. And if there's not a million pictures of it in the world already, and then somebody throws puke on it to protest the rainforest. I mean, it's. I kind of like those people.

Kara Swisher
I kind of like those people who. The people who throw things on. It's covered. Cause it's covered up. Nothing's gonna happen.

Bill Maher
Oh, really? I like people who do things like that. I'm a jar. Don't try it with that Elvis post. I'm not.

I'm kidding. Fucking. I've been to Tupelo. I've been to Grace Clinton. Well, that's like beginner Elvis.

Kara Swisher
Sorry. Oh, you a big Elvis fan? I'm a huge Elvis fan. Explains the hairdo. I love.

Thank you. I love country music. Again, I am a lesbian who you're not gonna figure out. I wanted to be in the military. I got married to.

Bill Maher
Well, the military. That is not hard to say. Only gay people like the military and being married. Only gay people these days. Just so you know.

Kara Swisher
Like being in the military. We wanted to be in the military. Don't tell me you drive a Subaru. Cause that's like I had a Lesboru. Yes, I did.

Bill Maher
I always got that joke from my writers about the Lesborough lesbian Subaru. And it was like, I didn't know what they were talking about. The Lesboru. You didn't know about the Lesborough? No.

Kara Swisher
It's called the Lesboro. Try to keep it. I assume now we drive kids kias. Just so you know. Hybrid kias.

That's what we're doing now. Why? What is that? That's great. Cause we have a lot of kids and we need three rows.

And we like the hybrid idea. I also. Do most lesbians have kids now? Oh, a lot of them. You know why?

I told you this on your show. We're building the militia. Etheridge, did I not tell you this? I don't think I'm being so. Yeah, but when you say lesbian, like.

My kids can shoot and be sensitive. Sorry. Shoot guns and be sensitive. Yes. Most lesbians have kids.

Many gay people have kids now. We have great fucking kids. They're great, I have to say. But, like, when you say lesbian to me, that's like an old school term. Yeah, I know.

Bill Maher
No, no, I'm not. I'm a choice. Where is the new one? But, like, there is, like, a lot going on in the lgbt community that, like, muddies the waters for someone like me on the outside who's like, an old school, you know. Oh, you have a penis and you use it with woman.

What's wrong with you? Everybody has their. No, we like them too. No, I know, but it muddies it for you. Well, I'm just like.

There's so much, like, bisexual and, like, transitioning, but then there's like, this, like. No, I just like women. Like, I'm not, like, quitting on men. I just really never, like. That's not my thing.

Kara Swisher
Well, I had boyfriends. Go. Like I said, most lesbians had boyfriends. Yeah. No, no, that's not true.

Bill Maher
That's not true is what I. That is not true. And he did not. Honey, I'm gonna pull this. Let me just ask you.

Kara Swisher
Let me just. Parents. No, let me just tell you the. Next road stop, we're pulling over. You're getting the point.

Is, isn't it confusing these days for people like you? Right? Is that what you're saying? But honestly, one, we don't care if you're confused. Oh, I don't care either.

Nobody cares if you're confused. I'm just asking. What, like. What is your question? Well, like, Andrew Sullivan writes a lot about, like, as an old school heterosexual homosexual man.

Yeah. He feels like he truly is. He feels like there's stuff. And I'm a little stone now, so I can't reproduce it exactly. But he's feeling, I was just on.

A show with a lot of stuff. Going on with the lgbt community that is like antithetical to what he marched, and that's wrong, I don't think. Why does he care what they want to do? So what if they want to do that? Like, to me, one of the years.

Bill Maher
Ago, I think he thinks they're transitioning kids sometimes who are just really gay kids. I do have facts on that. It's not that many kids. And there's more kids having, more straight kids having, you know, all kinds of body, body surgery than there are trans kids. But we're not going, we're not gonna have the trans argument here.

Kara Swisher
Cause it's a very complex argument. Here's what I think he's saying that I think is, to me, is a problem, is one of the great things about being gay is you be who you are, and if you're truly a free speech person and you're truly be who you are, then just let them fucking call themselves whatever they want. And some of it's trendy, certainly. Okay, great. That's what I say.

Some of it's trendy, but some of it's quite real and they really. So why make their lives a living fucking hell by not letting them express themselves? And some of them are going to get over it, and some of them aren't. Well, look, you just said you don't want to have the argument here, so I. No, but go ahead.

Bill Maher
Okay. Well, we are an outlier now as America. That's correct. As far as our view of. No.

Any kid for any reason at any age says they want to switch up, we hide it from the parents we double down on. Not that this did not happen. It does happen in schools sometimes. Okay. Minors.

And we enable it in every way possible. This is something that all don't enable. It in any, every way possible. See, this is nonsense. It's a small group of people that are affected and weve made it the biggest problem.

Kara Swisher
Like, remember that interview that the governor of west, speaking of West Virginia had? I think it was with Stephanie Rohl. And they passed these laws about. And im not getting into the supports thing because I interviewed both Martina Navatrilova, whos against it, and a very famous runner, whos for it, and Caitlin and all kinds of people. I get that particular argument.

I get that its difficult. But they had the governor of West Virginia and they passed a law about trans athletes. Right. Very complex and requires a lot of really good people to have cogent arguments and not the crazies to discuss it, right? She said, how many people are affected?

He didn't know of any. They're passing laws when they should be passing laws about economy, about jobs, about everything else. This is their fucking obsession. And it's a small thing. That's one of the issues.

The second thing is with Andrew, and he and I have argued about this is the whole crux of the gay movement is be who you are, right? And so if people get to. I was at a party in Silicon Valley where someone said, when marriage was going on, and, you know, that was the gay marriage thing, this was proposition eight. There was all kinds of mishegas around that about gay marriage. And this venture capitalist, a very famous venture capitalist, said, I don't mind lesbians.

That's always their joke. I love a lesbian. That's the first joke. And the second part goes, but I don't know. I don't understand this gay man sex thing.

That's how they said it in the party. And everyone was silent because this is an important person. I couldn't do it. And I went, you know what? If you don't like gay man sex, you should stop having it.

Bill Maher
Oh. And he said. He goes, what? And I said, you shouldn't have sex you don't like. I think that's wrong, right?

Kara Swisher
And he said, I'm not having gay sex. I said, you just said you don't like gay man sex. Why did you say that? Are you lying about having gay man sex? You're either lying about having gay man sex or you having gay man sex you don't like.

Either way, you need to stop. And he's like, that's not what I said. And then I looked at him and I said, it's none of your fucking business what people do in their bedrooms. It's none of your business. If they want to fuck men, they can bug men.

If they want to fuck women, they can fuck women. If they want to call themselves Sylvia and go dancing on weekends, it's none of your fucking business. And that, to me, is the heart of gayness. Are trying different costumes on and off. I don't know why we have to not.

We don't let them do it. And let me tell you, as someone who grew up gay, when you couldn't do that, it was toxic. Furtiveness is toxic. I don't disagree with anything you said. My issue comes in with medical, right?

Certainly, because I do have statistics down here, pushback, don't you? I'm not going to get into any sort of specifics, but I am 68 years old. Nobody gets to be 68 years old without having experienced issues. Let's just leave it at that. Life's a rough road in.

Bill Maher
That means like, your health is not going to be perfect from zero to death. That's correct. Nobody dies completely healthy. Okay, that's not true. That's my next book.

I'm ready. If you get shot, you do, right? No, but there's stuff going on that's going to change that. Well, you're going to degenerate in some ways anyway. I feel great.

Don't ever worry about me, people. But all I'm saying is, medically, I could know in my mind, absolutely, I am not a man. I still wouldn't do anything medically, because I know we are not that advanced medically where we can pull that off without serious health repercussions. I mean, I don't take aspirin. Okay.

I believe we are living not in the future, we're living now where medicine can't do things like switching out organs without. I'm not saying it doesn't solve some problems sometimes, but medically, you can't look me in the eye and tell me there are not going to be serious health replication down the road for doing anything like that. Or puberty blockers making my hormones, which is the very natural part of the body, flow in the opposite direction. That's your choice. I'm not against you being able to make that choice.

I think you can do anything you want with your body, including doing that. But for me, my choice. And that doesn't make me a bigot. That just makes me someone who puts my health top of the list. Here's my health.

I love sex, sexuality, but it is under health. Except why the obsession with this small problem or possible that we can figure out. I'm not obsessed. I know, but I'm just saying the right certainty is because you know why? I'll tell you why.

Kara Swisher
One is good politics. And first of all, they tried with the bathrooms and nobody gave a fuck. Because most people, like someone, tell them about airplane bathrooms, because we're all in the same one on those airplanes, right? They didn't work on, not at the. Same time sometimes, but they're talking about being in the bathroom, I get it.

But with, I've been in lots of bathrooms with men and women. It's not that fucking big a deal, honestly. You find some new problem that didn't work. I couldn't agree with that. Didn't work for sends to work.

And now this transitioning thing works an avenue into attacking gay and lesbian people on the whole. There's a legitimate side to this. Excuse me, but they are concerned. Women, very reasonably, do not want penises in prisons and they do not want them in the swimming pool and they do not want them in the locker room. Women feel that way.

Some women do, some women don't. I respect the people who don't want to see the penises. I don't particularly. Whoopi, what do you think? Oh, I'm sorry.

Bill Maher
I thought I was on the view. Have you ever been on the view? I was. It was great. You should.

Kara Swisher
Let me just tell you why. I love the view. I was on the view, can I tell you? Can you imagine if you're on the view every day? Can I tell you, they asked me to be guest host this morning and I couldn't do it.

Cause I'm here with you. That's all I'm saying. Thank you. I love her. And the best thing that ever happened to me on my entire book tour was I was on the view and I was talking to Sunny, and then Whoopi killed me.

And all she said is, you're cool, and then walked away. And I was like, my life is done. I'm gonna. I talked to her a long time after the show. It was so great to reconnect.

Bill Maher
I hadn't seen her a lot. She's the best. She's fucking cool. She's iconic. She is everything.

I mean, she is. She can do whatever she wants and she's doing whatever she wants. She is. I mean, she lives in Italy. Oh, she does?

Yeah, she told me that. How she's on that view every morning. I thought the same thing. Obviously she has time off. Yeah.

You know, but that's where she considers herself to live. And I think that's a really cool place to live. I couldn't do it myself. I'm kind of hooked on this crazy, mixed up country. You have this compound here.

I'm moving anywhere. You have a compound. I'm going to die right here. Right here in the compound. Maybe tonight.

Kara Swisher
I wish I had a compound. I don't have a compound. Compounds are great. I should have a compound. I have children.

Bill Maher
No, they're so great. I can have them all live there with people. Right? I mean, when I think of, like, how when I was like, 18 to 28, I had no money. The worst sort of slummy apartments in college and then new York, always with roommates I didn't, like, never had a bathtub.

I could get into smelling other people's shit in the bathroom. It's like, it really makes it worthwhile. Makes worthwhile. It just makes it nicer, you know, like, to. Well, you can't live in stocks.

Kara Swisher
They say you can live in your houses, you can't live in stocks. You know, that's why a lot of people buy houses. Can I ask a question? Do you like. And I know we have to go soon, but do you regret not having children?

Bill Maher
Fuck no. I. There was one thing. I'm having them all for you, me, and Elon Musk. But there was one thing in my life that has been, like, steady from the beginning, yeti to the end, and that is when I was a kid, I didn't like kids.

Kara Swisher
Yeah. And I still don't. That is just, like, steady. Other things up and down and blah, blah, blah. That one, like, right across the board.

Bill Maher
Now, I don't hate them. I hate babies. I don't like. Babies are gross. I don't want to.

I've never touched a baby, except once in a sketch when I had to. They have nothing to offer. I understand. You need to go through that phase to become a baby. Yeah, they're a little in need, but, like, I can talk to a kid.

Kids actually like to talk to me. We want to do a club, random, where I talk to kids. Oh, that sounds like it would be funny. Illegal. Illegal.

Kara Swisher
I want to do a club. I'm going to have a carousel. Smoking my pot with five year olds. I mean, no, it's not. We're never going to be.

Bill Maher
No, we're never going to be able to do it. But I'll be the next court case. I think it'd be fun to talk to kids. Cause I talk to them probably the way you do. Like, I don't talk to them like I'm an adult talking to a child.

I just talk to them like we talk to everybody. We just say what we think, and kids do that. So we're kind of on the same level. Kind of. The secret to I feel like preserving yourself and your sanity and feeling youthful even as you get older is keeping that quality, that childlike, not childish.

That childlike quality of, as Richard Pryor used to say, if a kid says. You'Re ugly, you're ugly, it's childlike, but not childish. One of the things I talk about is childishness of, like, the tech people. They're childish. They like to say they're childlike, but they're childish, and a bad child at that.

Yeah, like, I mean, the thing you were talking about performative before, like, who's the duty bank free with his hair. The unmade bed. I call him the unmade bed. All I had to do was go like this. And you know what I was.

Kara Swisher
Yeah, I know he did hair. You know, he's a mess. Yeah, put on a shirt. Yeah, put on a clean shirt. Now we're on the newlywed game and I have to make you think he's a mess.

Oh, God. All my liberal friends are gonna be like, ugh, you're getting along with Bill Maher. Jesus, Kara. See, that's what I hate about America. You do?

You hate it. I hate when people like, I'm friends with Ann Coulter. It's like, I hate that people. I hate that you like somebody. Fuck you.

Bill Maher
Fuck off. You wanna unfriend me? Good luck. Goodbye. Don't need people like that.

Kara Swisher
My move is not goodbye. My move is not goodbye to people who don't want. Just like I. Well, then you don't have to like them. Just like I said to that veteran, don't they?

Bill Maher
They're the ones who are starting it. They hate that I like somebody. I mean, that's. I mean, that's kind of what you just said, is that your friends are gonna not like it. Yeah, but I won't go, fuck you.

Kara Swisher
I'll be like, okay. Okay. Yeah, but it's just a bad attitude. That's my answer to everything. Just, okay.

Bill Maher
Bad fucking attitude. I don't care. It bothers me. I don't care. I don't care.

Kara Swisher
My whole attitude towards life now is I'm not as old as you, for example, but I am 62. I'm 61. A lot of my life is now, okay. Like, you know, it's sort of like that. Okay, whatever you do that, I think.

Bill Maher
You gotta have a little both. I mean, I'm certainly, certain. Certainly have the Irish in me still, that kind of like. But I also feel like I have melod. And that's nice, too.

I mean, it is great. I think that people have bucket lists. I think even better than a bucket list for me, anyway. A bucket list is things you wanna do. No, I know what that is.

I know. I'm telling everybody that the list of things that I used to do that I no longer have to do or don't. Yeah. Basically have to do, like, Christmas shopping. Yeah.

Like, nobody's gonna, you know. Sorry. I made a vow never to read anything about Henry Kissinger again. Yeah. It's like, it's taking up mind space.

Kara Swisher
I don't like him. Sure, on the whole china thing, okay. But otherwise, no, not so much. That's the kind of stuff. But what is on your bucket list right now?

Bill Maher
Nothing. I'm saying I don't care about the bucket list. I care about the list of things I no longer want to do that I just want to squeeze out of my life. And I've been very successful, I think, at doing that. I mean, I feel like I very rarely do things I don't want to do these last two days on a book tour in New York, an exception.

Kara Swisher
You did that. I know. You did look vaguely uncomfortable in every. Oh, I did not. I did.

Bill Maher
Fantastic. You did this, like, ten yards stairs. You did. You did, you did. Well, that's different than.

Kara Swisher
But every now and then you could see it in your eyes. You're like, this is what Sam Harris calls leftist mind reading. Reading. No, it's not. I'm not mind reading.

I can see your face. You're like, oh, God, what am I doing here? You know that went through your head. I know how I felt. Yes, but that's different.

Bill Maher
As a performer. You're a clown. Right. Okay. Da da da da.

Now, there is no business like show little songs. There's business. A little seltzer down your pants. I get that. I get that.

Kara Swisher
But I'm telling you, you had looks. I was watching. I was studying them characters. Well, I'm getting it again. All right.

Okay. Thank you.

Bill Maher
I really, really thought this was fun. I hope you did, too. I did, too. And I have a buzz on. I'm really sorry that your friends are going to not like you for like.

Kara Swisher
That's all right. But.

Kara Swisher | Club Random with Bill Maher

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1: Introduction

2: Technology's Double-Edged Sword

3: Political Correctness and Media

4: Personal Stories and Philosophies

5: Tech Industry Critique

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