Is the Right Wing Plan to Outbreed the Left Realistic?

Malcolm Collins
You can obviously just convert your opponent's kids, right? Because liberals have always been doing this. If liberals would cease existing if they stopped having kids, then why are there any liberals at all? And then you point out this trend only started in the nineties. Before the nineties, you didn't have a big difference in fertility rates within these two genetic clusters that led to different voting behavior.

And now one cluster is, in a period of two generations is just gonna be hard deleted from the gene pool. And isn't that wild? Because for so many generations, they were more or less even birth rate rise. This is unprecedented. We just don't know what it's gonna look like.

Here are two other studies I'm gonna post. One showing that 60% of the way you vote is genetic and the other showing that 40% of the way you vote is genetic. Yeah, but it is going to have a genetic effect on human psychology. Like, they are getting deleted in a way that is going to change the way humans think. So if you're one of those people who's bragging about leaving your parents religion, but are you having kids?

Because if you were the mutant and that mutation is correlated with not having kids, then you're just furthering our argument. Okay, would you like to know more? Kick us off, Malcolm. So there is an article in the Daily Dot recently, I think some articles on us in the past, from the long past, back when I proposed to you on Reddit, actually, they had a thing on us. It's titled who says romance is dead?

Right wing influencers launch a campaign to outbreed the left, and then it goes on to say far right figures. Chaya Raichie and Charlie Kirk both said they plan to, quote unquote, outbreed the left this week by having more children than liberals and raising them to have right wing values. Both of their statements are being memed online. Right. She runs the anti LGBTQx account libs of TikTok.

Oh, yay. I love libs of TikTok, which doxes left wing educators and individuals. Her tweets have been linked to more than 20 bomb threats at schools. Okay, bomb threats. Like, the people's tweets being linked at, like, how many death threats do we get regularly?

Kirk is the founder of the Turning Point USA, a conservative organization with chapters at high schools in college networks nationwide. Last weekend, Kirk hosted his organization's young women's leadership summit. On Sunday, he tweeted a video of mothers who attended the event. We are going to win either now or later, Kirk tweeted. We can outbreed the left.

Simone Collins
It's not even a can. And it's not even a pledge thing. It's just a will thing. It's so lame to make this like a statement. It's just the sun will rise.

I don't know what to say. Yeah, so, yeah, we actually, Elon Musk tweeted that it should be considered a national emergency to have kids. And this is what the person who finally lives with Twitch talk replied. I come from a family of eight. I plan to have a lot of kids.

Malcolm Collins
We're going to outbreed the left, then we're going to homeschool or send our kids to private schools so they can't be groomed and becoming activists for leftist causes. Unless that's a radical. But it's not a radical thing to say. No, I'm going to be honest. Every slightly conservative parent is saying now, and this is what I'm seeing on the ground in Pennsylvania.

Simone Collins
Running for office is very reasonable, normal, not even really religiously affiliated, just not actively progressive parents are saying, I'm concerned about what my kids learning. I don't want my kid to have mental health problems as a teen and adult. I'm going to homeschool them. Yeah. And I think a lot of people when I'm like, I am like bothered by woke ism and stuff like that, they're like, oh, are you really scared of the woke ism that's going on in schools now and stuff like that.

Malcolm Collins
It's, I do not think because certain, like, leftists seem to have a problem with breaking out of the current social mores. In looking at this from the perspective of you're not at a moral nexus of history and how are you going to be judged? You guys are going to be seen as a cult that went around castrating gay kids. You are not going to be seen favorably in the eyes of history. You will be seen as monstrous, genuinely monstrous alongside some of the worst atrocities in human history.

I do not think the left realizes how evil they've become and how transparently evil they've become to everyone else. But let's go into statistics because this is going to be a statistics episode where we're like, will this plan work? Because there's two things here. One, is the right really outbreeding the left? Right?

That's one question. Two is, can that work intergenerationally or do will these kids just leave their parents religious or structural, like cultural structural or voting frameworks? Right. So first I'm going to go from a quote here liberals are not having enough babies to keep up with conservatives. Arthur Brooks, a social scientist at Sierra Creole's University, was the first to point out all the way back in 2006 when he went on ABC News and blue state minds, quote, the political right is having a lot more kids than the political left, end quote.

He explained, quote, the gap is actually 41%, end quote. Data on us birth rates from the general social survey confirm this trend. A random sample of 100 conservative adults will raise 208 children, whereas a hundred liberal adults will raise only 147 kids. Oh my gosh. And so you need to divide these numbers in half.

Given the way that this is, it's a very confusing way to word it, but the point being is that, and this was done a while ago and this gap has widened. Before the 1990s, fertility differences by ideology were small. And I'm quoting here, by the way, this is from the Family Studies Institute in Limestone. Women over the age of 45 had no difference in completed fertility. And women of all ages, but with controls for years of age had only a small difference.

There was, however, already a difference in ideology. Conservative women reported a child bearing ideal of about 0.12. So even the difference back then in the ideal was fairly small, only a difference of 0.12 kids higher than liberal women, which is small but significant difference. He goes on to say, I'm gonna put the graph on the screen here. Basically put, when people are like, you can obviously just convert your opponent's kids, right?

Simone Collins
Yeah. Because liberals have always been doing this. If liberals would cease existing if they stopped having kids, then why are there any liberals at all? And then you point out this trend only started in the nineties. That's why they're still liberals, because this wasn't a correlation we had historically.

Malcolm Collins
People can be like, come on, people live their birth culture all the time. Except in a big study that was done on this, 70% of teens vote like their parents. And then here are two other studies I'm going to post. One showing that 60% of the way you vote is genetic and the other showing that 40% of the way you vote is genetic. Regardless, it's huge.

Simone Collins
Yeah, I'd never thought about that point before. And I think it's worth hammering home that birth rates were not that different between progressive and conservative groups until quite recently. So this whole parasitizing slash rating or conservative groups to get progressive populations thing is not sustainable. No, it's not sustainable. It wasn't done historically.

Malcolm Collins
Yeah. And it is going to disappear now. There's a study that I'll post on screen here where people are like, I grew up in a conservative household and I left. And so. Yeah, but that's an anecdote.

Okay? That's not like statistics and conservative households all the time. But also those people didn't become sterilized. Yeah, there are going to be fewer people like that over time. And you, if they are the 60% way you vote, if you didn't have the genetic component that led your parents to be conservative, it turns out that genetic component was also correlated with you staying high fertility.

So if you're one of those people who's bragging about leaving your parents religion, but are you having kids? Because if you were the mutant and that mutation is correlated with not having kids, then you're just furthering our argument. Okay. And when I say having kids, I don't mean two kids, like above repopulation levels, three or more. Okay, so if you're not doing that, then no, you've just proven our point further.

But to their side, it is shown that people are more likely to be in the small fraction of people that leaves their parents political beliefs if the parents try to force them to have those beliefs while they live with their parents. So parents who are loose in terms of their children's political beliefs are much more likely to have children of their beliefs than the parents who are not. For example, my parents were always fairly conservative, like my dad. My granddad was a conservative congressman. And when I grew up I was considered myself quite progressive.

And now I'm quite conservative. And that's almost certainly the genetics that play there wasn't that my dad tried to like. And this is the other thing. People are like, here's how we'll win as progressives. We will extra educate the kid about political issues.

Through extra educating them, we can get them on our side. And oh, here's a little study here called genes, ideology and sophistication that looks up how much genetics matter based on how much somebody has studied politics. The heritability of political attitudes increases with greater political knowledge and sophistication. What we found, sociopolitical conservatism was 74% heretical, among the most politically informed, but only 29% hereditable for the least informed. This reminds me of other research that found that when you give more information to people with very opposing views on subjects, they just become more entrenched in their views.

Simone Collins
I guess this rhymes with that. I don't think that this is what this is. Okay, so imagine it's true that you are pre coded to have a specific political perspective. Like sociologically, how could you convince somebody to go against their pre coding? You give them information that isn't real about the world.

Malcolm Collins
Right. If you want to convince somebody who is genetically conservative to not be conservative in their actions and voting, what you need to do is hide information from them or tell them information in a twisted way which causes their conservative mindset to be overridden. Yeah, but the more information they gain access to about the world, the more they are going to fit in to like their actual puzzle piece slot. If we are all like political puzzle pieces, the more we know about the board, the more we're going to fit into our accurate slot. And I actually see this on the left when I see the leftists who have deconverted from conservative families.

They are often the least educated political individuals I know. Like their views on politics are usually more just like the party line, like tm. Yeah. Or, yeah, when we see this a lot. For example, with people in California who are not at all politically involved, but of course will only ever vote for progressive politicians because that's what one does.

Simone Collins
And it is one's understanding that the correct view is the progressive view. Because you did even allude to this a little earlier, that the assumption is that to convert someone to progressive views, you simply must educate them. And there is this pervasive view that the party of science in the United States is democrats. The people of science and of reason and correctness are progressives, and the people of backwards religious tradition are conservatives. Which is also just interesting because now I think it's starting to shift in the other direction.

And when you find hyper evidence based people, they're now conservative. Yes. Yeah, it is. But only hyper. Like we're willing to believe in the truth even when it is.

Malcolm Collins
But I think that was true historically. What is the fight? And this is actually interesting, between capitalism and communism or libertarianism and socialism, but a fight over how educated you are about economics and your willingness to believe the truth about how economic systems work. Oh shit. This is why we have reconverged.

Simone Collins
Yeah, there's the, there's the graph, right? There's like half wit, there's midwit, and. Then there's, and this is actually the core problem, right. Because two groups are drawn to conservatism, right? Like the reason why I am a capitalist and not a socialist and this is a capitalist with modifications and stuff like that.

Malcolm Collins
Like I'm not a pure libertarian is because it's the system that leads to the most prosperity and ability for individual freedom. And I do understand how being economically constrained constrains an individual freedom. And therefore, if socialism worked, I would support it. I don't support it because it doesn't work. It makes everyone poorer on average, even the people who are getting the social handouts.

Just so you people understand, like, how bad socialism is, here's a great example. Okay? You can look in America right now and be like, oh, certain groups are poorer than other groups. Like people will say, like, black Americans are poorer than the average American. But did you know that the average black American is wealthier than the average british person in terms of yearly income?

Simone Collins
That I know that. That's really interesting if that's true. Yeah, that's how much of a difference it makes. It's huge, even fairly. Not socialist country.

Malcolm Collins
I don't know, Britain, people would consider a fully socialist state, but to me it is. Or look at Canada. If you've nationalized healthcare, you've gone pretty far. Like the, like the. Anyway, but hold on, we'll keep going here.

But there, here's a problem on the right. Okay. There's two reasons that you can adopt right leaning perspectives. And this is why I'm scared, like a lot of people when I am approaching fertility collapse and who are our enemies and who aren't our enemies, I often approach the urban monoculture or the progressives like they're an NPC, like they don't even really matter, like they're not going to exist in the future. They're just an obstacle for me to jump over who's the player killer, who's the other player in this game.

And it's that there are two genetic propensities that can drive somebody to conservatism. And there are two broad conservative frameworks. I'd call this the fascist framework in the individualist framework. So one framework is like me, where I am driven largely by the belief that everyone should be free to do things their own way and to live the life they want to live. And that's what's guiding a lot of my decisions.

Like how do I maximize this outcome? Every cultural group should, at least not at the individual level, because that leads to stupid externalities. But at the cultural group, when people are like, what are those stupid externalities? Like a kid says, I don't want to be spanked. And they're like, the kid doesn't want it, therefore we don't do it.

Or a kid says, I believe I was born in the wrong body and I need to medically alter myself as an eleven year old. And the adults like, no, that's stupid. Fuck off. But if you take this like pure individualist instead of an individualist cultural frame threat, then you end up making really stupid decisions. So I take the individualist cultural perspective.

So that's what I'm optimizing for. But then there's the second. Instead of saying, okay, if all human groups are allowed to act the way that they want to act, that righteousness will be served. Then there's the other drive to conservatism, which is they want fascism, sorry, they want capitalism because they want the strong to rule over the weak. They want libertarianism because they see that as like an aesthetic ideal.

They want a system where they are the strong and they force the weak to live like them, where everybody has to live the way that their culture lives. And for us, these are really just progressives, but by a different color. Because this is what the progressive movement is doing right now. It's trying to enforce its beliefs on other people in regards to child rearing structures or in regards to the way you should live or in regards to education. And we try to take our kids out of these systems.

Sonia's like, why are you ragging on Germany for what they're doing with schools? Germany doesn't not know. Germany doesn't allow homeschooling. Does not allow it. It's illegal.

You cannot protect your kids from the urban monoculture in that country because it has gotten to that state. So that's how bad it is. And specifically, yeah, we're not traditionalists. We're not crazy progressives. We are in favor of cultural sovereignty.

Simone Collins
We're in favor of pluralism, and we're very strongly against coercion. And there are groups within conservative factions and progressive factions that are coercive and domineering in this way. And we are not for it. Yeah, I'm not just not for it. I am willing to ally wisdom in the short term.

Yeah, but they're not. They're incapable of being coercive in the short term. So that's. They're incapable of being coercive in the short term. And they're the only reason you realize winning because our faction, ideologically winning, gives them the COVID to grow and recover and try to gain power again.

Malcolm Collins
But to us, while we may ally wisdom in the short term, they are just as evil as the fascist progressives. They are just as much of a threat. And anyone who decides that their imperative is to impose their standards and values and cultures and lifestyles on you is going to be a threat. Ultimately, yeah. This is actually, I think it explains a very odd thing about us where people are like, why are you guys so philosophic, so nice to jewish populations and the jewish culture?

And we're like, this is the core reason. It's one of the few really successful, very high fertility, very culturally successful, and technologically successful cultural groups that is not interested at forcing my family to live a different way than we live. Like they are. Just like, yeah, we're okay with groups different from us existing. So of course we're going to uplift that example for other cultures to learn from.

And our culture historically did that. The calvinist cultural group was generally that way in a historic context because we believe in the elect and the fallen, right, and the fallen are going to hell anyway. It's not our job to save the fallen. The fallen are meant to go to hell. The elect will be called by God themselves.

And if they're not, then I don't need to go. I can broadly be part of the intellectual conversation and put my stuff out there and my ideas out there without an attempt to convert somebody, because I genuinely do not think that is how God works is through proselytization. He works through calling people to the. To the truth if they are meant to be among the elect or if they were reassigned among the electricity. But anyway, so that's one answer there.

But then you have the question of, what was I going to say here? There's a confounding factor here, Simone, that we haven't considered, which is to say that, and I'm quoting here from the family studies article on this, however, having children probably also makes people more conservative. Prior academic research has found that after women have children, they tend to subsequently adopt more conservative social attitudes about gender roles. As a result, in both british and american data sets. Now, you certainly have after you had kids.

I think it's because once you have kids, you realize that the traditional gender roles just work. And why the hell were you fighting this to begin with? Our stance on this is it doesn't matter who does what. People should just lean into what they're good at. And I think that's the thing, is if it turned out that we were flipped and somehow you did more traditionally womanly things and I did more traditionally man things, it wouldn't be a problem for us.

Simone Collins
We would just do what we're good at. Yeah. And then there's this other point here, which is going to make things harder when people are like, why do I care? Like, why am I so worried about the economic effects of all of this? Not just from a population fertility falling perspective, that it is disproportionately falling within the economically productive regions.

Malcolm Collins
This also comes into this conversation, which is, and did you know this, that democratic counties make up 70% of the United States economic output? Oh, ouch. Yeah, that makes sense because also when you look at cities which are largely progressive, they are famously referred to as IQ shredders. They're drawing the most productive, talented people to them who typically adopt the local culture and also stop having kids. And yet these are some of the most high achieving people in the world.

Simone Collins
So that's. Yeah, it is really scary. And I think that's something that's also not discussed enough when people are talking about pronatalist policy is they're looking about how to create more people in general and not how to create more high taxpayers in general, which is going to be the really big question, because if we're going to maintain any kind of semblance of the format of social services and infrastructure funding and pensions that we have now, we're going to lean more than ever on a very increasingly small group of productive taxpayers to pay for everything. And those people are disappearing the fastest, which is really scary. When I think about this, though, from the perspective of that original statement of we're going to out compete them, I pledged to do this.

We can do this. It's stupid. It's not a battle that any conservative is really fighting anyway, because any conservative actually really just knows that we will, and we do and we will. But if this were a battle where you had conservatives pledging this and you had progressives pledging this, the progressive rallying cry is, what are children for? A new book that came out which was supposed to be the progressive answer.

Malcolm Collins
We got to do a whole other. Episode, and we are. To the pronatalist manifesto and punchline. I only have maybe one or two chapters left. It is extremely unconvincing.

Simone Collins
And I'm reading it from the perspective of my teen, young twenties self, which was still very progressive and still quite against having kids, if we're being honest, it does not make a compelling argument. Worse. You keep getting angry. You're like, these women should not be having kids. Yeah, no, it's bad.

It's making me actually antinatalist toward progressives. Reading this book, which is deeply disturbing, I feel like the progressives are even more hoisted by their own petard then. They simone, they are hoisted by their own retard.

Malcolm Collins
By their own retard. I don't know. Say that. Yeah, the hard r as you returned. It's bad that progressives have been hoisted by their own retard.

But there's a few other points I wanted to go here. One that I really wanted to elevate is that this is going to lead to a genuine genetic change in the population that humanity has never experienced. The fact that before the nineties, okay. And we actually did a study where we were looking at progressive fertility rates and we found the rate to be 100% difference, or I think it was more than 100% difference, like 120% difference. So this other study, I think they're underselling it, or it was done a while ago.

But anyway, that before the nineties, you didn't have a big difference in fertility rates within these two genetic clusters that led to different voting behavior. And now one cluster within a period of two generations is just going to be hard deleted from the gene pool. And isn't that wild because for so many generations they were more or less even birth rate rise. This is unprecedented. We just don't know what it's going to look like.

Yeah, but it is going to have a genetic effect on human psychology. Like they are getting deleted in a way that is going to change the way humans think. Yeah, this is a selective pressure similar to, I don't know, like the irish potato famine. You've got this population where one group is choosing to go out into the future and the other group is choosing to stay and die. And what's that going to look like?

We can predict some of what it looks like. The ideas that progressives are pushing are not going to win in politics in the future. They will win more in the short run because people become more progressive when you break up a family structure and they go unmarried. But in the long run, they are just deleting themselves from the gene pool. And anyone who is ideologically citing with the progressives right now, you in history, even if you are not morally wrong, like in an absolute term, you will not be on the side of the victors, and therefore you will be treated in the same way today.

We talk about the people who supported slavery, or we talk about the people who supported the Nazis, or we talk about maybe in a more modern context, if you're talking about things that what's going on with the extremists within parts of the trans movement, the way who supported lobotomies, which actually were disproportionately done by progressives on their kids because the scientific community said lobotomies are good. And so they used it like the Kennedy family, for example, famously did a lobotomy. Progressives then and now, or we're in favor of medical interventions and they don't. Know how monstrous they're going to look in the eyes of history. But it's going to be bad.

It's going to be a historic bloodbath. And there is, I would not attach any idea I have to this stuff now. The second thing I need to talk about is a silver lining on all of this. Oh, that's good. Which is, as we've said, we don't really worry about the progressives.

They're just like a hurdle our family has to get by. But they don't actually matter. They're not actually a threat. It is the fascist conservatives who are the real intergenerational threat. Right.

Those conservatives who have this sort of ethnic hierarchy and think that everything can be solved by control and domination and my group will rule, is that the leaders of this movement often have no kids. You know, recently we did an episode basically trashing Nick Fuentes for not having kids, but like, he doesn't have a wife even. But like, you can look at older iterations of this movement. So I was on a talk show recently, zero hour with John Populopoulos or something. I don't know, it was by Blaze TV.

So they flew me out to Dallas and I went to this nice studio and everything like that. It was really fun. It's run by Glenn Beck, the network. Anyway, so before me they had on Ann Coulter and I actually trashed her in my talk, obviously because she sent the entire talk complaining about Hispanics in our country and low quality people in our country that we were letting in from other countries. And she said when we used to have high quality immigrants and people are thinking like pre 1900 thirty's immigrants, not the immigrants we have today when they say, oh, I only want legal immigration.

Simone Collins
Oh, because we loved Italians and irish people back. Yeah, this is, first of all, she's just high quality people living in fucking delusion. To explain what I mean by this, she's, look at all these freaking immigrants coming with their crime and all of their, these are organized immigrants always bring organized crime. The Irish brought the mob, the Italian brought the mafia. This is just a catholic immigrant thing.

Malcolm Collins
And then they integrate and they're not like that anymore. And then we call them white, even though we thought of them as different ethnicities to begin with. I guarantee you Hispanics will be thought of as white by the time you and I die. In fact, I imagine that the ultra lefties will start thinking it's offensive for Hispanics to pretend they're not white in the same way that they might talk about an Italian pretending they're not white, or Irish pretending they're not white, even though these were historically discriminated groups. Yes, the Irish were a historically discriminated group both in their home country and in the United States.

Yes, the Italians had it terribly, so terribly, by the way, that Frederick Douglass, former slave, famous activist, when he was doing a tour of southern Italy, he said that they lived in conditions worse than the american slaves. So I don't think that people realize how bad the Italians had it or that when they came to the US, people really did see them as, like, uneducated savages, and they did have a lot more organized crime than the current hispanic immigrants to our country. But anyway, in a culture, no kids, no husband, she's been through, like, five engagements, divorced every time or broke up every time. That's a her problem at that point. Like, you don't.

Breaking up even a single engagement, from my perspective, is a huge deal. Like, it's not a normal human thing to do, having done it so many times that she says she can't even remember everyone she's been engaged to. That is a. You are in some way some sort of a psycho. But I think that this psychoship, this incredibly high standards, which leading to these people not getting married, I think is part of it, is part of this ultra authoritarian mindset and this ultra outgroup hating mindset.

If they just don't know how to love again, I think love is just a tool to hold marriages together. Like, I'm not, like a. Love is a good thing, but I think that, like, our marriage has so much love in it, it's insane for people. But I also think love. I hate to say this, but we'll just say a positive experience and feeling of pride is a large driver of intergenerational durability in cultures, which is to say, if you really love your kids and give them a great experience and actually love each other, it's probably going to inspire those kids to want to do that themselves and pass it on.

Simone Collins
Whereas if you're doing this out of some sense of competition or pride or regimented, stern religious ferocity, you're not going to see a lot of people want to pass that on when they're given a choice. Exactly. I think it's that they don't know how to treat or think about other humans, fundamentally. So I could think about intuitions I've had recently where, like, you the other day, I accidentally locked her out of the bottom of the house because we generally bolt all of the inside doors of our house because we get so many death threats. And I really had to go to the bathroom.

Malcolm Collins
She had to go to the bathroom, and then she was short with me for doing that. Upon telling me. And I, by the way, you could have gone to bathroom downstairs. You needed to go to your specific bathroom. But then there's the toilet that the kids use, and I would have to completely wipe it down before I could.

Simone Collins
And I could not wait. But I also knew that you were gonna feel bad about being short with me. And I was like, I really hope she doesn't feel bad about that. Totally justified in context, because she was probably in a lot of pain in that moment. Losing emotional control is never justified.

You never. I should have thought about that. I knew you were out, but anyway, there was like a big yelling, too. It was like a few like, malcolm, don't do that again. I really need to go.

Malcolm Collins
It wasn't like an argument or something like that before storming away to go to the bathroom. But I guess it's just that any sort of negative interaction with you is so rare that I know you're gonna have this big existential reaction to having had one. And I feel bad about that because I don't want to cause you any negative emotion through anything I do. And it's just this. Thinking about another person, first in all things, is a mindset that is very hard for the person with a fascistic worldview to get behind.

But it's something you need if you're going to make marriages really work, especially in a way where kids want to replicate that, because you might be able to get your marriage to work. You might be able to stay in your household as a stern man, spanking your wife like they used to in the third. I don't know, whatever. Right? Your kids grow up.

They see you abusing your wife. They see your wife acting as totally subjugated by you, not uplifted by you. Do you think your daughters want to get married after that? You think they want to stay in your culture? No.

And I think that this is why those groups will ultimately fail, is even though they're part of the larger conservative alliance, they just are not very good when people can leave their culture and when they can't say, stay in or we'll kill you at keeping their culture together. Now, I do think they'll spread in regions where they control people. Look at Gaza, for example. Right? There were people in Gaza who were against the war, but they were murdered by other people in their country.

But there are other places in the world where the fascist group is dominant, where the group that is my culture, my way of seeing things, everything must be militarized. Everything must be my way or the highway, or we will come to your home and we will kill you and your children. That does exist as a majority viewpoints in some parts of the world. And those parts of the world, I think, are our cultural enemy. And that there are people in this country who want to create that and act, oh, I'm so giddy.

I'll partner with you for now. Or worse. They're like, no, we should do this in America today. And I'm like, first of all, I disrespect you because of your position. Second of all, I disrespect you because you're stupid.

You do not control a majority large enough to take power or competent enough to take power. You control a bunch of low economic producing zealots who cannot make up even a single election or maybe a few local elections, but that's it. Like, you need a big tent alliance to actually win, and you are sabotaging your own objectives, which should mostly be just living in peace because you're a minority population, which all conservative religious groups are in this country. Do you have thoughts? You are the smarter of us, and I know you're who fans really want to hear from.

We saw this in a recent comment, and I will never let you hear the end of it because I get. The one out of thousands of comments. Two people upvoted it, and then I've upvoted it. So there's three of us. Oh, boy.

Simone Collins
Just ridiculous. We know this is happening, and the whole reason why we are in this fight, to a great extent is because we're concerned about a loss of plurality. It's sad to me that people would gloat about the fact that they are just going to outbreed other groups, because when I hear that, I feel sad. I feel sad that we're losing those perspectives at the same time that I feel very frustrated by the perspectives of those we're losing. I'm reading this book, God, why?

I keep forgetting the name because it's a really, what are children for? Why is that even the title of this book? Why? I just. Yeah, children are for how they make the parents feel.

Malcolm Collins
That's why progressives cannot motivate kids. There was actually a tweet I saw recently that I really agree with, which said that 70% of maternal instincts are fulfilled with one kid and 90% are fulfilled with two kids. That is why progressives cannot motivate high childbirth. And it is true if you're only doing things because that's what you want. This is the thing, like, how could you do something to your kids that they don't want?

And it's because I'm interested in something more than just doing what I want all the time, being affirmed for whoever I want to be all the time. But in this book they, in this book they talk about people who like political lesbians, are like political anti natalists, where they say, I'm not having children unless you vote Democrat, unless you fix climate change. Unless. So they're politically not, they're politically childless. But I feel like the exact equivalent of that is these politically childful people on the right who are like, I'm gonna have kids just to stick it to you.

Simone Collins
And I think both are incredibly lame. Have kids. Hold on, hold on. And you're gonna be a good parent. Which of these groups is actually good people?

Malcolm Collins
Right. The people on the right who are doing it because they believe that their cultural group matters and are good guys and they're willing to put their money where their mouse is into the effort of raising kids, which is hard. That's what the other group believes too. No, they're basically just cry bullies. They're like, I am going to threaten you by saying I won't have kids.

They are really the suicide squad from Life of Brian, the crack suicide squad that goes off and he thinks he's going to be rescued and they all commit suicide and go, that'll show him. So you're getting people to sign a pledge basically saying that they will not have children until the canadian government takes serious action on climate change.

Suicide squad, Dick, that showed them, huh?

You silly sods. Because that's what they're doing. I. Not if they come to me and they're like, I have different political beliefs in you. And unless you adopt my political beliefs, I'm going to kill myself.

And I'd be like, but I don't agree with you. I, like, I don't want to deal with the cleanup after you kill yourself. But like, I guess, go ahead. Can you lay down some newspapers first? That's really the way I feel about progressives right now.

Well, yeah. My point more largely is that I don't think that having kids should be politicized. As much as this is a politicized issue and as much as this is a major.

Wrongly on this point, I do. I think that people should have kids because they think that the way of life that they have should continue to exist in the future. People who don't have a hypothesis about how to create a good way of life, or who didn't have a good childhood and way of life growing up, it is righteous that they should have no kids because they will not be able to give the next generation a better life than they've had, which I think is always our duty is to create a generation that's better than us. So I do not mind that the people who can't even hypothesize a better civilization are the ones who are sterilizing themselves. And we have the episode that's on why running the prenatalist movement is so low stress, which I'd really suggest you guys check out.

It is hilarious. It's a Tucker and Dale versus forces of evil pronatalist problem episode. It'll include the little clip I put together from it in here. Oh, good, look, your friends are here. Hey, you're supposed to want to have children.

Simone Collins
And this is your ultimate goal in life. It is a very archaic idea and old idea and representation of a woman.

So you're getting people to sign a pledge basically saying that they will not have children until the canadian government takes serious action on climate change. Is that your blood? Well, no, no, it's college kid blood. And how many people have signed on so far? 1381 as of right now.

Malcolm Collins
I know what this is. This is a suicide pact. Oh, my God. That makes so much sense. We have got to hide all of the sharp objects.

If only I was born with a vagina. Amen, sister.

Holy mother of God. Some kid. He just hooked himself right into the woodchipper. What? Headfirst right into the woodchipper.

It looked like it might have been one of the college kids. It's true. It's. They. It is sad.

Like when we go to someone and we're like, okay, here's how we can help your group survive. They're like, you must hate us because you want us to change something. And it's not just progressives. The episode, I hope, goes live right before this one. We'll see how processing works is the catholic episode.

And when we go to Catholics and we're like, your fertility rates are desperately low. You need to culturally do something different. You hate Catholics. We're telling you this because we're trying to save you, you freaking knob. Okay, we're just telling you the facts.

Your fertility rates are uniquely low for your economic condition when contrasted with every other human group alive. Okay, figure out something or you're gonna die out. But it's the same with progressives. But with progressives, I have less care because for me, the current progressive party has just become, do I really want to save the Nazis? Do I want to save these people who believe that humanity should be divided into an ethno hierarchy with certain groups human dignity mattering more than others, as you see, was like Covid vaccines in our state being distributed based on race, not based on need, with certain ethnic groups getting access to it earlier or more extreme than that, the fact that they have literally become anti semitic now.

They're like, oh, we just hate Zionists. We don't hate Jews. I'm like, depending on the study you look at, 80% to 95% of Jews are Zionists. And they're like, yeah, it's those ones I hate. I'm like, bro, that's like saying I don't hate Christians.

I just hate people who believe that Jesus was the son of God. That's like a near hundred percent overlap. And they're like, why would the Jews, why would the Jews think they need their own state to be safe? What historically could have happened to them that would lead to this insane perspective. The pogroms, the holocaust, the constant genocides that they went through.

Yeah, there's a reason why this is such a common perspective in jewish circles. You guys are the delusional ones, and you are promoting a country that has already killed almost every person in it who promoted this? Not happening. Anyway, I'm going on a. I guess.

Simone Collins
The punchline is just, I'm okay. Conservatives are gloating. I'm okay. We will, we're gonna replace you because you do not deserve to exist with those vile opinions that you have castrating gay kids. See, here's where I disagree with you.

I think that the what as progressives is a very small, radicalized sub faction. That controls the party and is setting policy. That's the problem, is that they're still controlling the lifestyles and the birth rates of the very reasonable and pluralistic people existing under their reign. You're saying I support the Nazis who didn't support the. Okay, yeah, they voted for the nazi party, but they personally weren't on board with the whole genocide thing.

Malcolm Collins
Is, bro, it doesn't matter if you're on board with the genocide thing or not. If you are voting in a way that puts those people in power, you are the consequence, not the consequences. But you are leading to this consequence. You can say I'm putting this person in power, but I disagree with the thing that they consistently do. I think that drawing a comparison to Nazis here is unfair because it's one thing to be aware of, for example, concentration camps, and it's another thing to not really understand what's going on with many progressive policies, which one's entire life, one has been taught, are backed by science, reason and goodness.

Yeah, to the children transitioning things. I support trans adults, but children transitioning, even the most recent study, but a lot of adults still think the results of the study. So people are aware because it's something people should be broadly aware of. It came out in 2024. It was titled something like development of gender nonconformity in adolescents and early adulthood.

And it found that of eleven year olds who are gender nonconforming, over 90% by the age of 26 are completely gender conforming. Of kids who claim that they are trans and go on things like puberty blockers, which we now know lead to irreversible long term damage and likely even more severe than the studies are showing in animal models as a one standard deviation decline in iq. You can't just turn off puberty and turn it on again, are leading to real damage to these people. And I think probably more damage than lobotomies. It is incredibly damaging.

Simone Collins
What I'm saying is there is probably more disinformation to mainstream progressive voters and adults now about what's really going on than there was with, like, mainstream voters and citizens in Nazi Germany about what was going on, and that there is going to be a lot of innocent collateral damage with falling birth rates because of what's happening. So when I see progressives going extinct, okay, there is this sub faction that was going to burn out anyway. Actually, I agree with you. I actually think that the types of misinformation are really overlapping. So why did the Nazis target the Jews?

Malcolm Collins
Because they were seen as like, a wealthy elite that had more money than the mainstream population. Why do the progressives target the people who they target? These people were being removed from their homes. People were disappearing. Like, I'm sorry, I have seen jews being attacked on college campuses.

I have seen the signs that they are chanting in mainstream progressive circles on college campuses. You know. Sorry, from the river to the sea. You're just. We're just on different points of a fucking timeline, Simone.

But this timeline could play out if we don't resist it now, and we. Don'T know it needs to be resisted. And I'm with you on that. I'm just saying that there is a vastly large mainstream progressive audience that is incredibly centrist. That is, look at how all elections work, right?

Simone Collins
The primaries. You get these extreme candidates and then they spend the entire general election lead up trying to look as centrist as possible. Because guess what? Most voters are very close to the center with a slight skew in one direction or the other. These are the progressives that we're going to lose.

Malcolm Collins
To convince them are the same taxes that were used to convince the Nazis. How did the Nazis convince people to hate the Jews? They said that they were going to come in and kill them. Basically. You had the blood libel claims.

You had the claims that they were going to come and attack them. Look at the way progressives make up stuff about conservatives and like, the lgbt community. We don't. We don't have a problem with trans adults. I support gay people to hell and back.

Okay. But I do think that what's being done to kids is completely out of line with what the data says. I agree with you. I think we're just talking past each other at this point. Hold on, I gotta go.

I gotta finish this statement here. Okay, but progressives of today are being convinced to take these actions to go into neighborhoods, to burn down people's stores with people. No, Malcolm. The mainstream centrist progressives are not doing that. They are allowing it by not shutting it down.

These should be met with local police forces where they are banned. The police and stuff like that. That this stuff is passing, that these things that in these people are living. In a world where the mainstream media frames this is a mostly peaceful protest and people don't understand what's happening on the ground. I'm sorry.

Simone Collins
That's what's happening. People are being lied to and many progressives have no idea how gravely terrible it is. And it's a little bit of Stockholm syndrome. It's a little bit of genuine misinformation. But I'm just saying there's, like Trump would say, a lot of good people on both sides.

Okay, all right. A lot of good people. I love that. I'm more extreme than Trump. I don't think there's a lot of good people on both sides.

Malcolm Collins
I think people in with Trump on. This husband, but we gotta go get the kids. As a smarter one, I should defer to your opinion. Now that I know that this is true. I can't roll my eyes hard enough.

Simone Collins
I can't.

Malcolm Collins
I hate you too, Simone. Octavian's probably running out here already. Would you mind intercepting him and getting the kiddos and carrying them over the mud ditch so they don't track it in? Try it out now. Don't worry about it, okay?

Simone Collins
And love you. I love you too.

He loves you too. He loves you too. Oh. Let's go get him. Let's go have fun.

Malcolm Collins
A citizen has the courage to make the safety of the human race their personal responsibility.

Is the Right Wing Plan to Outbreed the Left Realistic?

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