Andrew Tate's Plan to Fix Fertility Rates

Malcolm Collins
Hello, Simone. This episode is going to be great because it's another Andrew Tate episode. So I need my sword again because as Andrew Tate has taught me, women won't respect him unless he is physically threatening them with a sword. You got your sword. Your wife starts talking, you're like, shut up.

She's got a sword. If every man on earth walked around with a sword, most of the issues of the world would basically go away. We can fix this. It can all be fixed. You just need to carry a sword around your house, and I need to do that too.

That's how I keep my wife in line. The sword. Andrew Tate has outlayed a plan for solving demographic collapse. Are you serious? Did this actually happen?

I am serious. And it is as unhinged in a based way. Like, I like thinking outside the box, but it is very on brand, and I think it might be one of the most crazy things he said recently. Which is that saying a lot. Would you like to know more?

Dear white men, you're fucked. You're being replaced because none of you have children. Even those of you bitching about the replacement online like little girls don't find the gumption to fuck. I see white men bragging about having five kids as if it's an achievement. Lol.

Five lolol per year, right? Oh. All you white boys lost control of your women and now they won't accept multiple wives anymore. Now they tell you they don't want any more kids. One's enough.

They don't want to do their God given job anymore. No, they want Instagram likes instead. So your genetic potential is stumped by the whims of some singular female. A female who takes nine whole months to grow a single baby. Other races have multiple ovens for bread.

We're not cooked. Some bitch is screaming at you about loyalty and you're sitting there saying, yes, baby, jerking off to porn when she's asleep. Or maybe cheating with a side bitch. Condom on.

Hold on. I love this because this is a take that we've had, that non reproductive sex is just masturbation. It is a kink. I mean, I love that he has correlated jerking off to porn as being just as disgusting as sleeping. Cheating on your wife with a condom on.

Take care so far. Okay. Oh, no. I couldn't get another woman pregnant. My wife would kill me.

Exclamation mark. Concerned emoji. Total fucking losers. Soon your race will be nothing more than a few pages in a history book. A lesson on what happens when you fuck with the female psyche.

So hard. They're obsessed with money and social media, as opposed to being one of many baby factories for a king. 30 children minimum for the dons. White people, go talk to your quote unquote best friend wife about what you do this weekend. Maybe you can take a nice walk around Ikea, enjoy extinction.

Simone Collins
Okay, wow. That's great. So first, I want to point something out, because I always tell people, Andrew Tate's idea about male and female roles is not the western ideal, and it is certainly not the americana ideal. It is a muslim ideal. And they're like, nuh uh.

Malcolm Collins
Andrew Tate isn't about promoting, like, the muslim cultural idea of how you should structure relationships. I'm sorry, how can you read that and think literally anything else? He does not. And the muslim ideal can work. Like, to be honest, like, he's not promoting something that doesn't work or that doesn't lead to higher fertility within some cultural groups where you have the top men in a society having multiple wives and then using that to produce a huge number of kids.

Right. And it is a lifestyle that I love, that he is undertaking. It is championing. He's like, bringing. He's bringing polygamy into the modern Internet world.

Simone Collins
This is some pioneering work here. What can we say? And it, like, I actually like with Andrew Tate. So we have a video that's come out on Hamza, who's, like, another, like, men's influencer. You know what I mean?

Malcolm Collins
Like, leading with this male aesthetic. I don't really respect Hamza. I think he had the perfect life with this woman, and he left her so he could go to partying in cities with Instagram babes. And he even says that. Pathetic.

Honestly pathetic. And I'm glad he's getting back with this woman, and I hope he can get himself sorted out. Basically, I'm starting the fatherhood chapter of my life. We're not pregnant just yet, but we've moved to the Scottish Highlands. The reason why me and my ex split up is I told her to sit down and to write down, like, her goals.

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And I wrote, you know what? I want to move to, like, a big city. You will not find this kind of woman who will fit with this lifestyle in a big, major city. Why? The women who are in the big cities are their glorified Instagram prostitution.

I actually want to have a few, like, sleepless nights. I want to have a few, like, sleep deprived nights where I stay up late, bro, for the last few years, I've been to sleep at. You couldn't imagine the amount of, like, parties and social events and dinners that I've missed. I know what goes on in these parties. And the issue was that the girls that I was meeting from these places, just like I.

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I was as well. Were all low quality. It's a low quality place to be. I wanted to be super social. I wanted to have some late nights where we stay up and we're social and there's a party that we go to and everything.

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But she saw it, and I'm not gonna lie, like, I could see how, like, offended she was where she was quite, like, pressuring. She was like, wait, you wanna do this? Oh, you wanna do that? You wanna stay up late? But that's unhealthy.

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Those party girls like the party. Low quality, degenerate TikTok type of girls. They are attracted to the party. Low quality, degenerate TikTok type of guys. Fine, like, trash can stay with trash.

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Because for hers, she wrote that she wanted to do more of the things that we were currently doing. It's wholesome as fuck, and you know that she's an awesome girl for that. She doesn't wanna be around, like, you know, like, party girls and whatever. I just realized, like, we're actually going into two separate seasons right now. Fine, like, trash can stay with trash.

Malcolm Collins
When you define your moral system around an aesthetic, it needs to be witnessed to have value. And when he got to the countryside. There was no one to witness him. Affirmation from the social community.

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This is a person who aesthetically wants to be a father that fits his ideal of where he should be going in life, but is completely unwilling to make any of the sacrifices that are associated with that. That he is complaining about not being able to regularly leave the house after seven or eight. That is a normal part of being a parent. He's not willing to make the sacrifices associated with transitioning to the next stage of his life, which will lead him down a path worse than being a Jeremy, which is what he calls, like, I guess, losers. He's gonna become the crack fox.

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Once upon another time, there was a fox and he was called Jerome. He lived in the woods in elderberry Wood. They spent their days punting down the lazy rivers of Cambridge town, shooting. One day, whilst relaxing, he found a copy of Cheekbone magazine and he read an article about London life and then decided he was gonna go to London. Three weeks later, he was off his tiny face in a gay club.

Woohoo. The fun, fun times for him. But the party lifestyle took its toll. Eventually, he ended up on the streets begging for cheese in Dalston. That fox, my friend, was none other than me.

The crack. This is gonna sound weird. You need to be hit in the face. I will repeat that again as a young man, you need to be hit in the face consistently. Andrew Tate, he has chosen a different optimization function than me.

Malcolm Collins
Yes, but it is not necessarily an incorrect optimization function. It seems like the right optimization function for him. He doesn't seem like a monogamous, settle down, move to the countryside kind of guy. Andrew Tate is kind of a goofy guy with a different optimization function than us and a different cultural background than us. But I respect his level of baseness and his level to live a grinst, the grain of society and his follow through in the things that he says.

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Here is another great quote that he tweeted recently. Sex is for making children. Any man who has sex with a woman because it, quote, unquote, feels good is gay. Oh, my pp feels so good. This is great.

In fact, if you are 40 with less than five children, you're probably gay. All that feel good pp sex, and hardly any genetic legacy. Question mark. I mean, to be honest, when we talk about changing culture, right, it doesn't make sense. Like, the reason why culturally, we used to shame people for being gay was because the cultures that did that ended up having a higher number of surviving offspring because they pressured the men who were born with same sex attraction to have heterosexual relationships.

What Andrew Tate is doing in this tweet is adapting that shaming and that cultural concept for a much bigger threat in society today, which is condoms are not ending up having kids for some other reason, which is just so intelligent and cool, even if it's not the strategy that we would use. Yeah, and there's an analogy I came up with recently that I really like about male female dimorphism, which is that human males and human females evolved differently. Like, we are biologically and psychologically different from each other. You can think of this as, like, in a society where everyone's assigned a swiss army knife at birth, and they are slightly different brands of swiss army knife with different tools within them, you know, different size knives, everything like that between cultures. And then people take that to be like, oh, there's this morally correct way to deal with these differences.

Malcolm Collins
That is not true. You know, in a culture that grew up, you know, near a coastal region, it might actually be the thinner knife that's used for butchering animals. And in a crowd that grew up when an arctic region where they were hunting, like mammoths. Oh, no, the hunting group is always the one that had the thicker knife. There are many optimization functions that can even work within a single environment.

And the ways that we use these tools are gonna change over time. When we are a space fearing race, it may turn out that what was originally meant to be, like a corkscrew, true, in the swiss army knife, is now perfect for handling some sort of, like, oxygen tank or something like that on the ship. And in our society right now, women being more, like, social, like, in a historic context that was totally different than them navigating the bureaucracies that they navigate today at a higher rate than men navigate. And so if we don't take into account that contexts have changed and that. So, one, the way that we relate to gender changes over time, but two different cultural groups historically related to gender differently.

And he's from a cultural group that really did relate to women in this way much more in a historical context. And he's leaned even further into that with his recent muslim conversion. But then, so the question comes, why don't we choose this strategy? Like, why do we think this strategy is bad? One thing he's wrong about, like, Simone, would you be up?

Like, am I not allowed to marry another woman? I wouldn't be into that. You could. You are welcome to be with anyone that you want. I hate people too much to have a household full of additional people.

Simone Collins
I'm sorry. It's not even, like, it's not that I'm not willing to share you. It's that I cannot deal with people. So, you see, I am cucked by my wife, right? She says, I would be less happy if you married another woman.

Malcolm Collins
And I take that into account. Right? But. And here's the key thing. So why am I dealing with that limitation on my fertility?

Like, why would I do that? Why would a culture do that? An argument that I would make, and I imagine you're going to make this as well, is that if we want to, one, be among the cultures that is technologically dominant and intellectually dominant, and that is to say, building the future. Like, literally, the group that builds the infrastructure that takes us to the stars and ultimately runs it and decides who gets to go where. You need to have maximum firing power on all ends.

Simone Collins
So both genders need to be high caliber, and you're not going to create a culture with high caliber women when the women are simultaneously subjugated in a way where they're seen as less, and they're part of this stable and they're part of this harem or whatever. It might be so. I think we can't inspire smart, ambitious daughters who we want to have in our culture to get married and have kids, if doing so involves being with someone like Andrew Tate. And I think that's the key answer here. But I want to elaborate on it a bit more because it also has genetic effects and stuff like that.

Malcolm Collins
Like, Andrew Tate could not secure a woman like Simone. Andrew Tate is always talking about how women are, like, not as smart as men and blah, blah, blah, and that they can't have intellectual or philosophical conversations. And what this tells me, because I haven't experienced that in the women I'm engaging with or in the woman that I married. So why is it that I haven't experienced that? But he has.

It's because what he was bringing to the table when he was out there trying to attract women to sleep with was specifically filtering for these women that were of an incredibly low intellectual caliber. Because that's the type of woman that goes for a guy like that, that splits like that. And there's actually even studies on this. Yeah, there's a really fascinating setting. I've never been able to find it, but I remember going over it when I was in psychology school, like, getting my degree in psychology and neuroscience, that looked at a culture that was polygynous, where you had one man and mini woman, and that women there, like the top men in that society, actually got lower quality wise than in nearby monogamous societies, where these extreme top tier women were actually sorting for mid tier men in terms of, like, wealth and stuff like that.

Simone Collins
Seen this? But it's looking at. It's looking at Africa. So looking at the evaluations that women are making, and specifically, they have to decide, do I want, like, if I go for a high value man, I know that I'm going to have to share him. So I have to dilute his current wealth or value or power by the number of anticipated wives, even if I'm wife number one.

Therefore, a high value ban is actually lower value because I'm actually going to get just one fifth of him, one 10th of him, one third of him. And so going for a mid tier man, who you anticipate to have only one wife, could you know it. So you see this in the data, is the point, like, lower quality wives. But it also reminded me of something that Hans has said in one of his videos, where he was talking about why he loves foreign women over western women, and he was like, oh, and they're short. It's so hot how short they are.

Oh, my God. No. No man in this space who's even slightly adjacent to the black pill space could possibly say something like that. No. No man that could ever actively try to reproduce with a shorter woman because he understands how important height is for men.

Unless he plans on doing IVF and eliminating all. Deal with this cloud. They deal with this brain cloud, right? They don't understand that half of your son's genes are coming from their mother. When you select for women who are innately subordinate and who are dumb, you are creating sons who are half subordinate and dumb.

Malcolm Collins
When you have sex with short women, it's the same thing. This is something that was completely growing up. If you grow up in rural America, and you can see this in America, and I talk about this all the time on the podcast, you see this in country songs. Anyone who listens to them, the women that you're told to look for are not the preening type. They are the type who hunt and fish and get dirty with the boys.

Simone Collins
Because he wants tons, who can do. All that, can intellectually engage with it. But if you only know about americana culture from country music, you don't see what it's like growing up. I grew up in Texas in a family that's been there for seven generations. So that's about as old as you get as terms in a Texas family.

Malcolm Collins
And it was constantly reinforced in me that when you are looking for qualities in a wife, that you are looking for the qualities you want in your sons. And this was actually a really interesting sort of cultural hack that Americana culture adapted to subvert the misogyny that also is in that culture a little bit. Could it be, though? I almost feel like men of the Andrew Tate type that we're discussing here just. They've dehumanized women to the point where they don't really even see women as, like, capable of passing on these traits to men if they're just, like, anything that's male obviously has to come from me, because the female is so foreign, so anti male, that there's just no point in even factoring her characteristics into what a son could be, because she's not.

Simone Collins
She could never be a son because she's a woman, and women are not human. You know what I mean? There's even the way that he worded, like, pathetic. Nine months gestating children. He just sees women as gestaters.

Malcolm Collins
I'm gonna be more generous to him and say that I suspect that you are misunderstanding or not misunderstanding, but not valuing enough. The fact that this is just his cultural background, he is from eastern european cultural background. This was a common mindset in certain parts of, like, southeastern european cultural mindsets. And because of that, he has adapted this cultural mindset to the current, like, technological age that we live in. And I think he's done a good job of adapting it.

But he just decides to bite the bullet on the downsides of this approach because it is the approach that dispositionally works for him. Like, he couldn't change himself. Andrew Tate could not change himself in a way that would allow him to attract high quality women. And because of that, from my cultural perspective, and because of that, there's no point in trying to be what you're optimized to be. I don't think that Andrew Tate is making a bad bet, given who Andrew Tate is genetically.

Simone Collins
No, I agree that he's doing what is optimally best for him. And when I look at myself, I have to admit there is a certain amount of cope in my position, right? There is a certain amount of cope and that you just cannot produce children at the rate that his women are going to be able to produce children. Right. And I can dream of a day where my sons can use, you know, exo wombs or use.

Malcolm Collins
By that I mean, like external wombs or wombs that have been genetically done in different ways that can produce children at a higher rate. I am so excited for that. Right. And I will encourage them to do that. And through that, they might be able to keep up with individuals using the cultural strategy that people like Andrew Tate are using.

But it's just a very different strategy. And we're going to do a whole video on this topic. But it reminds me of one of the things that people are always surprised of about us, where they're like, aren't you afraid of who do you think should have less kids? Aren't you afraid of these different cultural systems that are having just tons and tons of kids? And it's literally.

No, literally, like, to me, they are irrelevant if the cultural strategy they're choosing is one that is going to cause them to become intergenerationally less strong, less independent, and less intelligent, because in the future, their numbers don't matter. If they are attacking my descendants who have AI kill drones and they're coming at them with aks and sticks, they just. They can't even. The differentiation between the human groups in terms of their level of defensibility is exaggerating over time, as technology becomes more and more advanced and advanced in an individualized context. I think that with us, we need to be aware of the downsides to our strategy, which there are lower reproductive rate, maximum.

We were talking about it. Realistically, we're probably going to get ten kids. The classic k versus our strategy. Strategy. Biologically, yeah, classically versus our strategy.

And so then the question is, with his strategy, what he should become totally optimizing around. Like, for him, genetic selection technology matters much more than it matters for us, like IVF, genetic selection technology, because he's dealing with a lower quality gene pool to start. So he's got to do more in terms of editing it down. And the other thing that he needs to really look for is how does he ensure that he is choosing women who are the smartest among the pool of women he can get? Which means that if you're going for his cultural strategy, you actually want to devalue attractiveness in female partners to some extent.

So you are overvaluing the types of traits that you're going to find less of within the pool that he's able to attract and his sons are able to attract. And if I'm looking at this from his perspective as well, think that there are some arbitrage games that one could play as a polygamist to get smart, high value women who would still be open to being in a polygamous marriage. So if he plays, for example, immigration arbitrage and cultural arbitrage, pursuing women who are otherwise very smart and high achieving and giving them basically access to a level of wealth and comfort that they just would never get at home, maybe he can really get ambitious, smart people to join his harem, as it were, and produce lots of tater tots because he knows better. And he's certainly not against putting women to work. I think if you were a little bit smarter about how he managed his women, as it were, and it had them doing, maybe he does had them doing more interesting work than just being, like, a cam girl.

Simone Collins
He could create really interesting career opportunities for women and more, operate like a weird, harem corporate family where he has, like, his female employees who have rewarding jobs that are ambitious and interesting and intellectually engaging, who are also having his kids, who are all enjoying living in this, like, really nice corporate campus Harem Palace. I could see that work. You've got to keep in mind he has a hierarchy among the women who work for him. And the top women who work for him are not Cam girling. They are managing women who are cam girl.

Okay. You know, like, he's competent women to. Some extent, but it's, keep in mind, it's not just the women that he's able to secure. Another thing you have to keep in mind is for his strategy to work, it needs to work intergenerationally. That means his sons need to be able to generate, because to do this, like, huge wife pool strategy, you need to be able to generate tons of wealth to implement this.

Malcolm Collins
But I don't think his sons are going to implement. Are going to. I don't think he's going to be passing down this talent with a fidelity that I think that he assumes he's passing it down. Yeah. We see with many polygamist families, like when you look at fundamentalist mormon polygamist families, for example, it's super common for the men who don't get chosen to have lots of wives to just get kicked out.

Simone Collins
The majority of the boys, or at least a significant proportion of the boys, just get punted. We saw this also with someone we met who grew up in a cult in Latin America who was one of, what, ten kids and all of his brothers got kicked out of the cult. He was doing great, by the way. He seemed very smart, very capable. But, yeah, like that.

There is that problem of what to do in a polygamous, highly competitive culture and family. When you have a lot of sons and you want to set them up for success, what do you do? Yeah. And you've also got to think about his daughters. Right?

Malcolm Collins
Are they going to, when they look at what their mothers endured within this lifestyle, and then they realize that they're going to, if they're going to culturally continue his value system, endured that, but for a much poorer man because there's not many men at Andrew Tate's income level. Right, exactly. Are they gonna want that? And if they don't want that, then you get the Korea problem where they just opt out of breeding in revolution against him. And I'd say another thing.

Like, a lot of people think that what I'm talking about here is just the iq of my wife, and that's not it. Like, it is one. I do not want a wife who is a naturally submissive person. I want a wife who submits to me. But I would find it very disgusting to know that my wife, like, just culturally speaking, was submissive more generally.

Yeah. Like, aside from me being completely besotted by you, obsessed with you, creepily stockish about you, I am fiercely independent to the point where I don't even like receiving gifts or anything from other people because I don't like a feeling of obligation toward anyone. And I hate the idea of being subservient or associated with anyone. And I think that serves us and our culture, our particular culture, really well, because we want to breed this level of independence and initiative. So I see what you're saying, and I would want that in our kids as well.

Simone Collins
And I'm glad to see it in them already. The level of ambition you have, the level of these are also genetically linked traits. If you have a woman who approaches life and that has a genetic component to it that is not linked to her sex chromosome, which it probably isn't entirely right, you are getting that in your sons. And I actually suspect that this is why polygynous cultures, typically the men in these cultures, have such submissive roles to their cosmology. So I'll explain what I mean by this.

Malcolm Collins
Typically, submission to God is seen as much more within these cultures as like groveling, like head in the dirt, crawling on your knees submission that you don't see as much in cultures where women aren't expected to be this level of submission culturally. And I suspect what that is a level of inherited submission within the males of this culture that needs to be masturbated in some way. And the culturally approved way of doing that is to a supernatural entity. Whereas you don't see even within, you look at protestant traditions and many of them will say, I am worthless compared to God and stuff like that. But the.

The way that correlates to culture isn't like groveling on the floor like a submissive wife, but seeing that as a motivation to work to improve yourself and as a sign of why you should be grateful for God's interest in you at all, which is, I think, really interesting and a sign of how you actually, this mindset ends up breeding submissiveness into men as well. I thought more about this after recording and came to a new perspective. I think I might have been misunderstanding high female to male submission cultures or high female to male power distance cultures, in that focusing on the male to female dynamic is the wrong part of the relationship to focus on. It's throughout the entire family system that you have this increased power distance. You have the increased power distance between man and God with like additional groveling on the ground and stuff like that.

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But also between a woman and her children. Children where children in these cultures are often expected to be much more obedient to their parents. Where in cultures like Simone and mine growing up, there was no expectation, like children were about equals to the parents. And people in these high power distance cultures are often horrified by that. They're like why would a parent allow their children to say no?

Or allow their children to say, actually, I have an alternative perspective on this. And the answer, from the perspective of one of these cultures, on whether or not this is, is correct, is just a matter of optimization functions. There isn't necessarily a correct outcome. Like, reality is going to judge which of these cultures is right. But the logic, from the perspective of the culture that I was told growing up and what Simone and I would tell each other is the goal of child rearing is not to break a child's spirit or to teach them obedience, but to foster a child spirit and to teach them to stand up to authority.

And if they just mindlessly obey their parents, then they are not learning that skill, and they will be weak children. From the perspective of our culture, where weakness is defined by an individual's ability to stand up for their own beliefs against arbitrary authority. And if you don't, we've done the video on, like, the noodling girl and the tomboys. Tomboy apocalypse. Look at that.

Simone Collins
I think every fish I've caught this year has been mean.

Malcolm Collins
You look at this girl, and this is not the type of girl who's gonna go for an Andrew Tate guy. Yeah, the guy who she's going for is gonna be, like, muscly and stuff like that. But this is a woman who has her own opinions. And I think that is really interesting to me. And you even see this when, like, amish groups and stuff like that.

We've done a video where we have a longer amish segment where you see a lot of them talking, and you can see that women do have opinions within the community, and their opinions are valued almost as much as the man's opinions. This perspective of women's opinions just don't matter. Is actually not, like, a historically american perspective or part of our cultural background. So it would be very hard for me to adopt to it in effort to have a ton of whys. Yeah.

Simone Collins
Although it does depend on the specific american culture. Right. When you look at, like, in early America, there were some anti woman culture group, which just. It didn't become that important in american society. They made.

Yeah. Because I inherently think that those cultures are less competitive. Just as people know what happened to the culture that was more misogynistic, they became the cavaliers, which is where good old boy. Southern. Hierarchical.

Deep south. Deep south. Hierarchical culture. So we need to be clear. There are two core cultural groups within this house.

Malcolm Collins
One is the cultural group that I come from, which is the rural group, which is where country music comes from, which is where the girl who goes fishing and hunting and is covered in mud and likes to mud wrestle and play around with the boys and drink beers. That's one cultural group in the south, okay? And that cultural group likes strong women. Then there's the other cultural group in the south, which was the one that was like the slave owner, plantation owners, everything like that. They were very wealthy.

They were mostly from the sun, owners of aristocrats. And they make up a version of, like, aristocratic southern culture, which you still see in places like Charleston and stuff like that. This is where the southern dandy comes from, the guy who rides on his horse. And everything is about tradition, and everything is about, oh, my lineage. I can trace it x many things back, but this culture mostly went extinct.

Most of the misogynistic interpretation in american culture today actually comes from immigrant groups that were more misogynistic in their interpretation. Most of the catholic immigrant groups were a bit more like the Italians, and the Irish were a bit more misogynistic in the way that they treated women than the pre existing american cultural groups. But they were never as far as, like, the muslim or eastern european cultural groups. Although I want to be clear, I don't think that polygamy has to go contrary to women's rights. And I think that there are many or not many, but there are quite a few instances of polygamy culturally and anecdotally, like on a one off basis, where the women are really more like living almost like a quasi sister or lesbian collective, where there's also just happens to be one guy.

Simone Collins
And we've even seen some polyamorous subcultures, geographically locked, that kind of end up looking like this. And so I don't think it's necessarily harmful to women or anti feminist to engage in polygamy. I think for many people it's preferred. And honestly, in the end, you've got a bunch of women ganging up on a man. He's outnumbered.

Keep that in mind when you're looking at these configurations. A man can only hold up his will so far in a household where he's just outnumbered. And I think Andrew Tate, by pairing up with his brother and other male compatriots in a household like this, kind of gives him a little bit of a bulwark, but that is not the normal configuration, so we have to keep that in mind. I think that ultimately, what makes polygamy not sustainable and more weak isn't that women are harmed by it, and isn't that high value men are harmed by it. But that lower value men, less competitive men, are harmed by it.

And that creates problems and instability in society. No, that does create instability in society, but I don't think that matters in the current system. I think if you're talking historically, why we're polygynous systems culturally selected against, fine. But now society is becoming more atomized that it's really only the winners that matter anymore. If we have AI girlfriends and other distractions.

Malcolm Collins
And obviously, the way that muslim cultures historically dealt with this is if a guy was gay, they would just transition him. This is true in a lot of muslim and polygynist cultures. Is it that, okay, a guy's gay, get him transitioned. If you can't beat him, join him. So I think that we both need to realize the downsides of our culture.

So with his culture, the thing I would really focus on is you've got the number of kids down now. What you need to focus on is two things. The quality of those kids and their technophilia. Like how technically savvy are they and how technically productive are they, and how willing are they to engage in high tech systems. One of the big dangers of his cultural system is that it genuinely believes that physical strength and physical, like, hand to hand combat styles, has any utility in terms of modern conflicts, outside of just making him feel cool about himself and maybe motivating people to exercise.

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And we'll talk about this much more in the follow up video to this. But this is why a group that traditionally doesn't value something like hand to hand combat, like the Israelis in the Yom Kippur war, were able to beat cultures that did, where those other cultures were fighting them, with 100 to one manpower, ten to one armors and artillery. It's not that it's bad to focus on fighting. It's just understand that it's just a game. It's a status toy, like a maserati.

Don't accidentally bring your Maserati into a war because it costs the same as a tank. Just because you spent the same amount of time, effort, and industry putting it together as the other culture did, a tank, it doesn't mean it's realistically gonna stand up to a tank.

And here I'd like to quickly address something that we often hear, which is that when I exercise, I feel better, like, it mentally makes me healthier, and I perform better on specific tasks. And this is true. This is something you see in the research. And so we are not saying don't exercise at all. I mean, exercise.

Simone exercises about five to 6 hours every day, but she does it while on an elliptical and also typing. I think that it's very important to recognize the amount of physical exercise that is optimal to improve mental health while not going further than that in an amount that becomes really just hedonistic status signaling. And it's very easy to slide into that and to begin to justify that when you begin to engage in it for health purposes, because exercise has addictive properties. I'd also note here that exercise does have some effect on the hormones that your body produces, which in men can be useful for achieving certain mental states that are conducive to productivity and good mental health. However, you know, this is taken along with the exact same caveat that you need to look at the mental benefits you are getting versus the time trade off.

And the sort of sad thing about exercise is the by the time you can really start to see in a male that they are regularly exercising, they are almost certainly exercising far more than they need to for just the mental benefits at that point. It is for status signaling. And so there are general rules around personal austerity would apply, which is to say, you can do it if you want to. You know, I drink and I know it's not useful to me, but I also still recognize it as a sin. And I wouldn't recognize overly exercising or overly indulging in pointless arts like martial arts or something like that, beyond the utility they might have in terms of mental health for some individuals.

Malcolm Collins
And I should note here, when I. Say pointless, I don't mean that they have no utility at all in the modern world. I just mean that there is always something more productive you could spend your time on that would have more utility than them within the modern world. And finally here, what I note is these things like, I suspect human males have sort of different genetic patterns. And I think that some males may require exercise and fighting, like regular physical combat for health, much more than other men do.

E
In the same way that I don't feel fully mentally healthy if I don't do manual labor a few times a week, like exhaustive manual labor, which would have been more in line with my cultural history, as a way a man proves himself to his family instead of. Fighting for us, our kids. However many generations from now, if our culture keeps evolving in the way we want it to, they will be likely heavily gene edited, they will be engaged really heavily with AI. These are individuals where of the incredibly high fertility cultural groups in the world today. They could have 100 members and they wouldn't be able to culturally impose on one of my distant descendants.

Malcolm Collins
If we play our parts right, they could have 10,000 members, and they wouldn't be relevant to one AI swarm kill bot. You know, genetically augmented human with an iq like five standard deviations of humans today. Like, it's just. It would be comical to even think that they could pose a threat or imposition to these sorts of individuals, which is why we just don't care about them that much. I love when Luddites are like, oh, that's just wild speculation around what the future will be like.

E
No, it's not. We have AI right now, and we. Know it's getting better. And for the gene editing, all I can say is our position and profile gives us access to knowledge about parts of the state of this technology that the general public, even some scientists in the field, wouldn't have knowledge of, because it's a field that intrinsically has to stay very secretive due to legal regulations and stuff like that before the technology gets perfected. What I can say is, I am not being wildly speculative.

I am, you know, like, people are. Like, HG wells predicted submarines, and so simple submarines existed in his time. We're doing the same thing here. We are not making that outlandish of predictions. You are just not living close to the technology that we live close with.

Simone Collins
But still proposing an alternative approach here, I think. Yeah, I appreciate the creativity, and I appreciate that he's living by his value system, and I many. This is the best way. Not for us. Yeah, no, I need to be clear here.

G
This is not some Kumbaya bullshit perspective. I do look down on Andrew Tate from the perspective of my value system, and I would expect my kids to look down on him, and I would be disappointed in one of my daughters for marrying a man like him. I mean, you can just look at his perspective on something, like why he tries so hard for the things he tries so hard for. When people say to me, Tate, you're obsessed with money, I say, no, I'm obsessed with not being in that position. I'm never gonna let me live like me, live my only one life on this planet and waste my years of consciousness in that position.

H
I don't want to be the guy who's 37, driving a fucking shitty citron, who gets pulled out on a girl who's too hot for me, driving a car I can never afford, who can call fucking dudes, psycho kickboxers with fucking lambos and astons to turn up and bust me up. I'm never going to be that guy. I'm never going to accept that submissive position. And that's why I say when I talk about money and achievement and training and all these things, how important they are. Because if you don't find those things important, well, then you're just accepting your place lower down.

G
Tate is primarily motivated by and stresses about a fear of being powerless and having other people lord power over him. And that is not what motivates Simone or I. We are motivated by trying to create a culture and set of cultural interactions that can bring our civilization into the future. Essentially bring together a group of rebels that can rebuild a civilization and world that appears to be spiraling into the abyss. When I go to bed at night, I don't think if I fail, then people will lord power over me.

I think if I fail, then civilization as we know it collapses. When I look at my ancestors, that's what they attempted to do as well. Very different optimization functions than when I think about what I stress about. It's not about losing power, it's about giving people bad advice. I wonder if Tate ever sits around stressing.

It was one of the videos I did. Did it lead someone to make poor decisions? I don't think he does. He's primarily motivated by how everything reflects on him. And to me, that makes him a lesser person than me.

But I need to stress that is to me, because I am approaching this with a different cultural perspective, the cultural perspective I was raised within. But that doesn't mean I don't hold that perspective. I do. I fully believe it to be the correct perspective. I love you to death, Simone.

Simone Collins
I love you too, gorgeous.

What would you like to do next? So there was another episode that could go as a compliment to this. You'd alluded to it. Yeah. And it's on.

Malcolm Collins
Who do we not want having kids? Oh, all right, let's do it.

Simone Collins
Oh, all right, let's do it.

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