The Sacred Cosmology & Forgotten Wisdom Of The Lakota w/ Chase Iron Eyes # 464

Aubrey Marcus
Chase ironize is a First nations relative of the Lakota tribe, and he's here to share the deep wisdom of his lineage and the stories and the lessons that come from eons lived on this land, our land, and how we can shift our stories to live in right relation with all of creation. It's an absolute honor to share this podcast with Chase iron Eyes. First up, we have Helix. And the reason why I'm continuing to have Helix as an advertiser on the podcast is because I'm continuing to sleep on helix mattresses. Oftentimes wherever I go.

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Chase iron eyes. We're going to tell some stories today, and good stories often start with a good name, and you've got a good name. And so what's the story of your name? Where does your name come from? Well, that's a good story.

Chase Iron Eyes
You know, I have my mom to thank for that.

My father's surname is little.

You know, his brother went into the movies, and he became little sky. But my mother's name is Iron Eyes. When I was born, she had been working for this particular medicine man from. From where I now live on the pine ridge reservation. His name is Mark Big Road.

All of his family, you know, the ones that I know, I talked to some of them. They're still there. And he was called Chase alone as a small child for some reason. And so he told my mom. My mom went to one of his ceremonies, and he told her, and he didn't know that she was pregnant.

He said, you know, doksha, you're gonna have a. You're gonna have a boy. And if you could name him Chase alone. So chase alone, ironize. That's my full name.

But on the birth certificate and the corporate identity, it was Chase alone, little first. So I went through until I was 18 years old, and then I changed my name to Iron ice to honor my mom, you know. So my mom hooked me up. Chase iron eyes. Chase alone.

Iron eyes. And where did she get that name Iron eyes from? What's that story? Yeah, well, her. Her father, my grandfather, is named Eddie.

Eddie's father is named Jerome, and Jerome's father is named Ironize. That was his name back in the day. We just had our lakota names or our indian names. Right. No surnames.

And you could have multiple names throughout your life. You usually get a name at birth, and that's either a family name or something happens that you're given a certain name, like Red Cloud, you know, like, he's one of our greatest leaders, but he got his name because of something that happened at his birth. And then when you're in puberty, when you graduate into another state of being, and then when you're an adult, you usually do something and you've got to earn a name. And so ironize is the name that my great great grandfather was given because he was around when european Americans were coming into our lands, and he was one of the first to have the iron rimmed prescription glasses. Oh.

I don't usually tell a lot of people that because iron eyes sound like a superhero. You know what I mean? Yeah. But that's not. A lot of people ask, you know what I mean?

That's how iron eyes came into being. And so that's, you know, that's a long. That's 140 years ago or whatever it. Was you say, you know, coming into being, there's a deep lineage and a deep history. And one of the reasons why I was so excited to invite you on this podcast is we sat and sweat lodge ceremony together with Robert F.

Aubrey Marcus
Kennedy Junior as unbelievable, unbelievable experience. And I just got to hear some stories that you shared and feel your heart and feel your prayer in that. And I started to really, you know, even though I've been exposed to the Lakota kind of culture in different ways, you seem to carry, you know, some of the stories and the prayers and the. And the remembering in a particularly strong way. So what is the.

What are the early stories about. About your people? I mean, what is, like, the Genesis? If we're going to start from the beginning, what is the Genesis story? And then maybe we'll even go to the genesis story of all of creation.

Chase Iron Eyes
Yes. Okay. As well. Thank you for that, because that's where my mind immediately went. I was like, oh, no, here we go with the big bang.

You know, that's our story about the big bang. But for us as a people, there's a level of knowing that when we tell the stories and when we pass on the knowledge, it is pertaining to our people, the Lakota people. But now, after traveling and just being a little older, these are generally applicable. But every people, every spiritual discipline, every knowledge system is like that. It is locally or ethnically applicable to the people.

But it is also Matt in a macro sense, you know, giving guidance to humanity. So the way that we tell in a man that I. I never knew this man, but I've studied, you know, things that he put out. His name is Pete catches. He's a waka iesuka, a holy man.

And he tells a story around in linear time, this side of the ice age, the last ice age. So however long ago that was, 200,000 years or whatever it was, there was a blood clot. He calls it a mass of blood and water and whatever else there's a clot. And it is. This is a time when there's buffalo here on the earth.

And so this female buffalo, this woman buffalo hears this voice, and it is saying, wa ne wachiello, which means, I want to live. So this buffalo, this woman buffalo is hearing this voice, and she don't know where it's coming from. And so she leaves her herd, goes over to where she thinks this voice is coming from. She hears it again, and so she goes back and tells everyone else, hey, or all the other buffalo, there's a voice over here. There's something over here speaking.

And she goes back for four days, and on the fourth day, all the other buffalo thinks she's, like, crazy, like she's hearing things, right? And she goes back, and this mass of blood and water, we just call it blood clot. And this female, the way that we tell it is this female buffalo breathed consciousness into this clot and formed us, formed the human being. Now, that's one creation knowledge. There's also another of us emerging from a cave in the black hills of what is now called South Dakota.

That is kind of the spiritual epicenter of our people, not just our people, but other tribal nations. And that is another story. It's another emergence story. We also have another emergent story when the great flood covered the earth, however long ago that was, and pretty much every culture on the planet has a knowledge about the flood, you know? And so I do my best to learn these knowledge systems, and I really had to pick it up and to pick up the pace because I wasn't indoctrinated, and I wish I would have been indoctrinated.

I wish I would have been able to either from my elders or from my mom or from an academy or something been able to learn all of this sacred knowledge. This is power, this power knowledge.

But I just had to seek it out through different medicine people reading whatever I could get my hands on since I was probably 16 is when I started reading and exploring it that way. But it all sped up really, really quickly when I had children, when me and my wife had children. And then your children start asking you, how did we get here? What are we doing here? Why are we here?

And you have to be able to tell him something. It should be something of depth and substance. So I really had to kick it in the fast gears as we had children. Yeah. It's interesting to explore these stories and what that deeper meaning might be.

Aubrey Marcus
But the first story about the clot of blood and water, it's a story that deeply connects your people to the buffalo. And this is a connection that extended until basically the european colonialists tried to break that connection. But that connection between the Lakota and the buffalo is deep, as deep as it gets. So it makes sense that there would be an origin story that you're actually, you know, your people actually came from the breath of the buffalo itself. Yes.

Chase Iron Eyes
And all of us have these. Not just the Lakota. There are other buffalo people that we call. We call ourselves buffalo people. De Oyate, like the Blackfeet Confederacy are buffalo people.

The Cheyenne nation, the Crow Nation, they're probably even further down Kiowa, you know, maybe Comanche, wherever the buffalo are or were. And that's all the way from northern Texas all the way up into what is now called Canada. But those connections, those cosmological connections, those cultural, mythological connections, they speak to something that is not, that is beyond reason. It's beyond what the human mind is trying to think about or that is capable of analyzing. But like I said, I grew up in an american school system on the reservation, so I learned about what came from western civilization and what came from there during what we call the enlightenment, you know, in american western education systems, rationalism, scientific supremacy, empiricism, you know, science is a truth.

Science is. It is what it is. It is a truth. But what has happened is that the religions, while there's a longer story there about religions, but if religions are good, then they're leading a human being toward a sacred metaphysics, a sacred reality, and that's not what has happened with western civilization. And something else has happened which has led us to kind of a spiritual dead end, maybe.

But those who now call themselves white people were once and are indigenous people. They're capable of the same sacred cosmologies, lived cosmologies, expressed cosmologies, ritual and ceremonial cosmologies that we still have as native people here. It's just that, you know, whatever happened with Rome and the way that they took over empire, yeah, the church and so forth, all the european people were subjected to that colonization before us. And so now we're all here. Now we're all in America and we're all searching.

We're all seeking a sacred connection. And we want to know how. How can we connect? How can we deconstruct the metaphysics and myths that we were taught either in school or we just learned? And whether that's, you know, the self or the ego or even the myth of anthropocentric supremacy, like we teach ourselves that we're the apex of creation.

And that's just not how, you know, that's not how I was taught. That's not how my people view things. What is the way that your people view things? The human beings are the youngest, the youngest of creation, of God's children. We were the last.

And we have to learn everything of how to be, how to have divine order and how to have a civilized way. We learn that from the older beings, the older relatives, the four legged beings, the winged beings, our prophet. I wouldn't say I don't know about prophet, that might not be the right word, but there was a woman who brought our people the sacred pipe, which was at the sweat lodge at the Oini kaga, the yinipi. And these are complex, very powerful ceremonies that we still have that are sustenance and provide a way to salvation and deliverance. But even in our metaphysics, the mind, which is the seat of reason and free will and self determination, very, very powerful.

I'm not saying, I'm not trying to downgrade it, but the mind is the lowest on the totem pole of, in our system of cosmological order. It's still very, very powerful. But in our way, we're the youngest and the smallest and the most humble, I should say. And it seems to me, obviously, I've been steeped in the medicine lineages of many different cultures and many different medicines. And it would probably extend back to the rock nations.

Aubrey Marcus
The water nations, like the rock and water and fire beings and the elementals are probably our oldest relatives. And then even older than that are the old cosmological divine relatives, the origin, the source relatives of where we are. And then it moves into the life, into life and those relatives. But it's actually all, it's kind of a beautiful way to look at it, as we're actually the youngest. And then going back to the oldest.

And one of the things that really struck me that I'd never heard is you spoke of a deity, of a being that was prior to Wakantaka, and that being was eon. Yes. Tell me about that. Tell me about that origin story of, like, the divine creation. Well, Katanka is all of those, and it's one of those things that's almost beyond naming.

Chase Iron Eyes
It's beyond that. It's on a different transcendence. But we do have creation knowledge, and it starts when there was a time of. In the english language, it's called darkness, but in our language, it's called ha. So, like, when we talk about the moon, it's hawi, you know, it's the sun of the night, of the dark, but darkness.

A lot of people think darkness is like nothing, right? But it's. But it's definitely not nothing now. Now I think of dark matter and dark energy. Yeah, like the pregnant void of all creation, right?

Yes, sir. Like, it's there. And so at that time, in our knowledge, there was this primordial spirit, a God, a deity. This. And its name is Inya.

Now we hand it down with the. With the male personification and say that it's a he. But again, since I had daughters, like, they're like, why has it got to be a he? So. So it's an it, you know, it really isn't it.

It's beyond gender. And this is Iya. And then in the time of that time, long, more than 5 billion years ago that we know now, IO became lonely, and IO began to spin and in order to create something else. So Ina wasn't lonely anymore. During this spinning, he caused this explosion of unimaginable proportions, intergalactic explosion.

And in order to create, during this time, during this explosion, which I take to be the big bang, his power flowed from him, and his power was in his blood, and his blood is blue. Was blue, is blue, and his blood is water. And this is how we know that water is older than the sun, which I just read something in some scientific journal recently that scientists are confirming and discovering that water is, in fact, older than the sun. Wow. And we're just like, yeah, no shit, man.

We've been knowing this. And so when Ina did this, you know, it's not just the. He became shriveled and brittle because he sacrificed his own blood for the creation of the universe. The unknown expanse, right, of the universe, the ever expanding, infinitely expanding universe. He became the rock, and not just the rock on earth that we heat up for the sweat lodge, for the inipi, and then we reunite eno with his blood right when we're pouring the water on the rocks and that steam that you feel, that's called grandfather's breath, or the breath of creation, and so is the Milky Way.

The stars all together, that mist together. That was a hard sweat, bro. I just want to tell you that. Yeah, we were right. We were right next to it.

The whole team was in there, and we were front to back, side to side. You couldn't move. And I was having a hard, hard time. Like, I was like, man, I want to get out. I got to take a break.

I got to get. And then I was thinking, I'm the only Lakota in here, man. I can't do that. There ain't no way I can do that. My whole nation's riding on me over here.

And Aubrey looked, you know, you nudged me, and you're like, the warrior's heart beats as one. Beats as one. And you shook my hand and you held my hand, bro.

And anyway, it brought me through. It brought me through. And so that ceremony that is a part of a divine order that we as human beings can recreate, and we can avail ourselves of that cleansing renewal ability. So ya is not just the stone that is on Earth, all the mountains, every stone imaginable, the form. But Ian is also the stones.

The asteroid belt that is around our planet at all times, all imaginable, the planets, the other planets, the stones. That's what happened during the big bang, during Otokahe Khagapi. And so that is. And then there's stories for the rest of creation. I don't know how we know these things or how we transmitted them over time and again.

It's not like I was raised with this. I had to learn it and do my best to seek it out. And since I was nine years old, I've known different medicine. You know, I've only known medicine men, but there are medicine women, but I've known. My first teacher was a very good man, very powerful man.

He was kind of like an apprentice or maybe disciple might be a word. Just somebody who learned from one of our greatest healers, a man named Chief Frank Foolscrow. So, you know, I've been. I've been, and I strayed from the path over my years. You know what I'm saying?

I've not always been trying to stand upright in the light and in the power of creation. But now, that is our sacred ability. That's our authority, and it's there for us to do that, so why would we not do that? So when you say that to go just back to the cosmology, this event happens, Ian gets kind of separated. His blood becomes the water, his flesh becomes the rock, like the solid matter.

Aubrey Marcus
And then somewhere through all of that is the mystery or great spirit or wakantanka, and that encompasses everything and all of the in betweens of everything as well, right? Like, that is. That is like when the prayers are for to. Great spirit. Yes, that's that.

There are synonyms, right? Great spirit and Makan taka are synonyms. Same thing. Same thing. So.

Chase Iron Eyes
Yes. And you know when the big Bang happened, when that happened, this is before Earth. Earth wasn't formed yet, but, you know, and I'm not. Again, this is linear time, but according to the knowledge that we pass on to each other, earth was formed at or about that time. But you're talking more than geological time.

You're talking eons. And the earth was formed as a disk, is the way that we say it. And then the rest of creation happened, because Inna had sacrificed himself at that time. Sacrificed his blood, gave his blood so we could all be here, so there could be a universe or a multiverse or whatever. Then the son became the chief, the first God, so to speak.

And there's an ordering of 16 of these deities, these entities, you know, we Shka, Makha and iya. That is the sun and motion. Shka is like. Shka is now the sky, and Shka is motion, consciousness. Daku.

Shkashka is one of the words that we use. Makai is mother earth or the earth, and I became the fourth. See, he gave up his position right amongst the gods. And then each of those four created other gods. The sun created the moon.

Shka created the winds. Tate. Not just the winds on earth, but the winds everywhere. There's winds everywhere. Makkah created something called unk, which is like passion, or maybe the source of that mischief or.

I don't want to say negative, but you could interpret it as negative. The source of that energy. That's a very powerful God and something that is that we're all capable of good and bad. And then Ia created Wak'ia, the thunderbird. The thunder beings, you know, and they.

They're very important in our cosmology. They bring water, they bring sustenance, you know, mini wakand, the sacred waters, and they control. The thunders, control the waters of the heavens. You know, it comes up and it comes, and through the heavens it comes out to us. And then there's below that.

So that's eight gods right there. There's tobtob, which is like the bear. You know, the bear is a very powerful being. It's one of our most powerful healers. The bear actually becomes what's known as Ksa, which is the bearer of righteous knowledge, the being that teaches us righteous, esoteric knowledge.

And before that, it was just that Ksa was a title. But Ksa used to serve the gods and then worked with unk to embarrass the gods and let this woman, real beautiful woman, sit in the moon's place. And that embarrassed the moon, and so she banished xah. And I know there's a lot of Lakota words thrown around here, but he became the trickster. He became Igdomi because he disobeyed the gods and he was sent with the other people that were associated with him to earth.

And so he was, you know, all of these contain truths. You know, truths about who we are as human beings and principles really to guide us in our evolution, in our thinking, in our conduct, in our behavior. You know, the sun didn't only, he also had a child out of wedlock with somebody that wasn't his wife, you know what I mean? And that child became the whirlwind. And the whirlwind is a God.

There's the four, and then four, and then the bear and then Tatanka, the buffalo. But that not just the buffalo that is here. The buffalo here represents the sun, the power that, you know, the life giving power, but also a constellation of the buffalo. The spirit of the water is another God in the four direction wind. You know, the west, the north, the east, the south.

In our language, we all have names for them.

Those are, all those directions are the sons of the wind of tate, and then the lower four gods, so to speak, are niya, which is your breath, all of our breath, our collective breath. When we first come out of the womb, you're connected with your umbilical cord, and then you come into this reality and you're able to take a breath. And as soon as you take that breath, now you're in union. Now you're part of the unitive power, the unitive experience that is there for us. And that's niya.

The breath is a God. And then there's the nagi, or the, how do you say it? Like a ghost, like an eternal soul. You know, the spirit, the spirit that is here with your mind, you know, and, you know, the whirlwind is that one of them probably, say, the 15th God. And then your si ch, that is the lowest God, so to speak.

And that is your mind, the human mind. It's very powerful still, though, you know, to be in that, to even be in there. And when you in the sweat lodge, the poles touch the earth at 16 points to represent that cosmology.

Aubrey Marcus
There'S a huge swelling of a desire. And here's a Lighter to relight your Cigar. There's a huge swelling of a desire to reconnect with these ancient knowledge systems and traditions. And I think that's a very beautiful thing that we're actually experiencing in our time. And because it's not about the facts of the stories, but it's about the stories themselves and how the stories all weave into the grand symphony of all the stories and all the creations.

And when I look at what happened historically, there was a people. And in the south american traditions, they described, you know, what their indigenous people. They saw them as like the rainbow. As like the rainbow warriors. The rainbow beings were their own people, because all their chakras were lit with different colors, and they were all spinning and aglow with different colors.

And the european conquistadors came, and they called them the gray ones. They were gray because all of their energy centers were clouded and blocked. And what I see very likely happen is that from the many different empires that came and took power from all of the lineage and kind of indigenous native peoples. And then you fast forward that a few thousand years, where people have lost contact with what it was like to really live with the earth. Then there's this kind of disease of the mind.

And this can be called Witiko, which is also a native word. And this idea of witiko, which leads to empire, which leads to this belief that you can just take and rape and pillage. And this idea of ownership, it's the ego enlarged and the delusion that works both inwardly on the self and outwardly. And this kind of. It was like the first real pandemic that kind of spread was the people who had been disconnected from their own native roots and their own connections that had lost that and then started to spread their own disease throughout the world through conquest.

And by just focusing on one of those aspects of what a person is, which is the scientific, technological mind and the aggression that can come there was just, like, isolated into certain vectors without keeping everything in balance. Even as you talk about the bear, I think about in the celtic traditions, the word for bear is art, and art is part of Arthur. It was like the king, the great legendary king who restored the order of Camelot and the righteous knowledge of the bear. The bear is the king. And so many similarities from so many different cultures, but they were lost.

And then a new culture spread. And this is the culture that we're living in now. And people are realizing that we're sick. We're sick, and we need to, yes, take all of the knowledge and technology and information we've learned, but remember the old stories and the old ways so that we can heal ourselves and step into a new future that includes all the old stories and the new technology and creates a whole new story for the world. This is.

Chase Iron Eyes
I appreciate that technology in itself, it's real, but it's also. It's giving us new, different myths. And I see one of those myths reflected in our literary works or our television works, about uploading your consciousness to machines and AI, artificial intelligence, and leaving the earth to, you know, it's the myth of the frontier. That's not a frontier to us. You know, spirit travel is very real.

And how could. How could we know the earth is round? How could we know that North America, as it's known, is shaped like a turtle? You know, I don't know how we could know those things, but we know those things. And I believe that you take a look at Standing Rock, take a look at what happened with tens of thousands of people coming together under the invitation and the spiritual guidance of native people, not just Lakota people or o Chetty shakowin or Sioux nation, but people who did not think, might not think on a daily basis that, hey, my body is 70 whatever percent, you know, composed of mini wechoni, the water of life, mini waqa tamani.

You know, they might not recognize their divine flesh and blood or their bones even, you know, and the way that we look at it, the flesh and blood that we're composed of comes from Makkah, comes from earth. How and in what fashion, I don't know. You know, the buffalo breathe consciousness into us, or we emerge from a cave. Did we emerge in this form? I don't know.

The bones come from ea, you know, come from the stone. That's what's in our bones. Like, elementally, we're finding out that that's true. And when you have big extraction, right? Big oil coming, and I was just living my life.

We were trying to legalize hemp, and we were trying to create, replace the petrochemical, industrial imposed reality of everything on the standing rock reservation, right. In 2014, I moved back to Standing Rock, which is where I grew up. I now live on the Pine Ridge reservation. And we're all the same people, though. We're all Lakota, just different bands and people were, you know, always ask me, how come you're always protesting?

Why are you always, you know, don't you want to progress with civilization and the way we see it? Yes, we do. We do want to progress, but we want to redefine what civilization is. You know, civilization to us is used to be able to go out and drink water from any stream or any river, you know, and you can't. You just can't do that anymore.

So it's the, it's the health of the ecosystem that undergirds how civilized we are as human beings. And when that debacle happened where big oil forced this pipeline, we didn't want to fight that. In fact, we were just trying to mind our own business. And the oil company moved the location of the pipeline from Bismarck, North Dakota, which is a city that's like 90% euro American, to where the Indians live, right where the standing rock nation is. And so we didn't have a choice, but we were standing up because oil and water don't mix, and it's just a matter of time before pipelines leak.

And so we stood up. Not only that, but we have tribal sovereignty. We have a treaty with the United States. The United States is our friend. We made friends with the United States with the Americans in 1851 and in 1868.

And we said, we'll protect you. You'll protect us forever. You know, we'll stand with your flag, the american flag, forever, so long as our flag can flow as well. This is. But, you know, they don't teach that in the american educational institutions.

So we were out there for those reasons, those political reasons, but we were out there by the tens of thousands for spiritual reasons as well. And when we were offering ourselves, our bodies, our reputations, our earning potentials, everything, we're just putting it on the line because we wanted a different reality so we can push ourselves toward evolution, which is what I believe we're doing and what I believe the United States is capable of. I believe our government is capable of that. But right now, they've been captured. They've been captured.

There's no leaders over there. There's no spiritually driven leaders who are willing to take the steps that we need to take as a people, as a society because we're all in this together now. There's no, it's all these classifications and differences that have been assigned to us that we learned, that we've been conditioned to think from within, that we're trying to liberate from. But it's very difficult. It's obviously very difficult because there are real differences in our country.

Man, when George Floyd was killed, this country almost burned to the ground. It was very wild and serious. And obviously, that systemic challenge, we have to address. We have to address that. But for me, everything that is political or legislative or economic should be informed by a spiritual, liberative process.

And that happens here and here conceptually, first, and I'm no expert on it. I'm not. There are men and women who are much older than me, who know much more than me, but my path and my ability and my will to build bridges from this world that I was born into, this flesh and blood that I was born into this consciousness, and trying to bridge that with the dominant consciousness currently the dominant consciousness. What was it like for you to sit in lodge with a man who I believe will be the next president of the United States? And I could feel you and really kind of looking around like, wow.

Aubrey Marcus
Like there's a new reality that may be about to birth. Like, if the leader of this nation is willing to sit in the sweat and smell the sweet grass and the cedar and speak the prayers and sing the songs and be there, ass on the grass with brothers and sisters, it's a whole different paradigm that we may be entering in something that might, I could imagine, be almost unbelievable for you and all of the challenges that your people have gone through and the betrayals from people in those positions of power. You know, I mean, Bobby. Bobby Kennedy is. He's a different.

Chase Iron Eyes
He's cut from the cloth of the Kennedys, this guy, you know, but his whole. His whole campaign team was in that lodge with us. I've never been in a lodge so jam packed. You know, maybe it's been four years since I've been in a lodge that jam packed. There was a lot of people in there.

And what was profound for me was the sweat lodge doesn't just belong to the Lakota. It belongs to other native nations as well. Every native nation has a version of this ceremony. But what was very powerful and meaningful for me there in that moment with you and Bobby Kennedy and everyone else was that there were. There were mostly European Americans in there, except for myself and the Afro indigenous brother.

Aubrey Marcus
Porongi. Yes. Oh, Porongi. How could I? Porongi.

Chase Iron Eyes
And. And I wasn't pouring the water when it came time to sing. I wasn't the only singer. There's five, six other brothers in there who had sundanced under Chief Leonard Crow Dog, who is an absolute legend, who was one of my mentors, one of my teachers. I wasn't a contemporary of his because he walked on, he walks in power everlasting since I believe it was 2021.

But he gave me things. You know, I cherished the times that I had with Chief Leonard Crowdog. My first teacher, Sonny Richards, he learned from chief Frank Fools crow. And these people, I mean, all the way back to black elk, they have a very rasmopolitan, very cosmopolitan, very worldly view about our knowledge systems, our ceremonies. We do them on behalf of all humanity, and all humanity is able to participate, able to avail themselves of this knowledge that is the school of thought that I come from.

Not all lakota people feel that same way. Some are very guarded, understandably, completely understandably. But the teachers that I had and have right now, including Chief Bear Cross and one of my other teachers, passed on Marvin Helper and Everett Porthunder. These are guys that took me under their wing and just allowed me this english speaking lawyer that came from the reservoir, allowed me the space to be who I am with them while they're teaching me. So that ceremony that we conducted there and that we offered ourselves to, it's not easy.

It was not easy for me. Our ceremony is like the hardest ceremonies ever. No food or water for four days. You know, like, I spent a lot of my young life running from these ceremonies. You know what I'm saying?

Aubrey Marcus
Yeah, of course. And I had to just be brought back into it. So Bobby Kennedy, that probably wasn't his first lodge. I don't know. It wasn't.

Yeah. And for some people, it was their first lodge. So Bobby has been fighting for indigenous nations ever since, probably even before Quebec and the whale river. That's how my uncle met Bobby Kennedy, because my uncle was, you know, he was part of the beginning of this tribal water rights organization, and they sent him. This is before the Internet, before cellphones, all that.

Chase Iron Eyes
They sent him to Quebec to represent Sioux nation water rights and every other tribes that were within the Missouri river watershed. He goes to Quebec, meets Bobby Kennedy. He doesn't know Bobby Kennedy is going to be there. Bobby is there to defend the Cree nation and their ecosystem that they depend on from this large scale hydropower dam that was going to destroy all of their hunting lands, their trapping lands, their fishing lands, everything that they used to sustain themselves. Bobby was there to defend that in the early 1990s, and this guy's been doing it his whole life.

He saved the Hudson river. He's representing all the commercial fisher. He's the only guy that talks about when he speaks. I don't have to be sold on anything, you know what I'm saying? I feel like this is the guy.

This is the guy I want to support. This is the guy I'm down with. And, yeah, he's not perfect, but who is? You know what I mean? There's more than enough that I just feel empowered and to be there, that was something special.

Aubrey Marcus
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can feel the emotions rising in me as well, because I feel the same thing, you know? I mean, this is a time where we need a chief of chiefs, you know, a king of kings, you know, to help lead us. And the way that a king really leads, it's the one who serves the most.

And I watched Bobby in that lodge, and I watched when there was the blessing of a ladle of water that was passed, because, as he said, it was a hot lodge, it was an intense lodge. And the ladle was passed around, and Bobby just kept passing the ladle, passing the ladle, passing the ladle and didn't even drink of it himself. Why? Because he serves his people first. Like, that's just like, it's who he is, you know?

And people will nitpick this one thing he says, this one stance. But I trust him to just listen and to be there with his heart because you can feel it. It's like his heart extends outside of his body, and that's the place where you can really trust. It's not the fancy words or the things that, the promises that are made that evaporate like they were written in wind and rapid water. As soon as someone gets elected, it's like you can trust that his word matters, you know, no matter what it is.

I mean, I'll tell another quick story about Bobby. He invited me to go spend time with him 4 July at one of his kind of family homes out in the hamptons. And he invited me over Christmas, and I said, bobby, am I going to see you on the 4 July? And he goes, oh, shit, I invited you. And then he tells Stephanie, he goes, stephanie, what am I doing on the 4 July?

And she goes, oh, well, you have this national convention thing on this. And he goes, cancel it, cancel it. I invited Aubrey, and she's like, well. And then they just figured it out right there. But it was like, there's, like, principles, like values there.

There's things that are more important than just what's the best and most advantageous thing that he can do is, like, there's real principle and value that lives in his bones. He's not scripted. He's not manufactured. You don't get. Any other person is going to speak as a politician is almost required to.

Chase Iron Eyes
Certain talking points they got to stick to, and that's not Bobby. Bobby is a real human being, and he's coming from a place where there's a sense of urgency, I think, because he's entering his elder years, you know, he's. What is he, 70 now? 70, yeah. He's still pulling out 50 pull ups and 100 push ups, though.

Aubrey Marcus
Yeah, no, remember that more than me, bro. I didn't even want to. I didn't even attempt that. I didn't even attempt that. I was like, man, I just ain't in that kind of shape right now, but I've been working at it ever since.

Yeah, let's go. Because. Because that's inspiring to me. This. This.

Chase Iron Eyes
This old dude, you know, he's. He's a mentor. He's a brother. He's. Anyway, I appreciate.

Oh, man, I appreciate the emotion. Yeah, it's been a. It's been a hard road for your people, man. It's been a hard, long road, and I can't speak personally to it, you know, but I know some of what's happened, and I can feel it. And that was one of the questions I asked you when we shared that stage together, is, you know, how you can still show up with your heart open through all the pain and through all the trauma of the history of what your people have endured?

Well, we. How can I say? It's scar. It's scar tissue. There's no real way to heal fully from it.

The whole process of colonial extraction. But we do heal, and we leave space because that's the path we're on. We're not trying to hate. We're trying to liberate. And it's very real, because to be forgiving, forgiveness.

You forgive, and you don't forget. And to see my people where they're at right now is crushing. It's hard. There's no. I live right in one of the ground zero places on the Pine Ridge reservation, and there's no.

There's no reason why we have to be. We call it the fourth world because it's not even the third world. It's. It's. It's tough, and there are.

It's forced dependency. There are institutional mechanisms in place on behalf of the United States of America. But nobody's cared to go and look back into it for 90 years. You know, it's been 90 years since these modern reservations were formed and their forms of government didn't match what we know. And so there needs to be a mass reevaluation.

That's not, that's not possible with, with who's in Washington right now. It's not possible. If they would. If it was possible, they would have done it. It's not like I'm saying something new here.

You know what I mean? Like, and so that's, that's just where my heart lives. It's. It's always, it's right there. And, and I, we do our best.

Those of us who, who carry this fire and this responsibility to go out and to, to. We have another ceremony called the hunka ceremony, which is to make relatives. And that's, that's what I'm doing. That's what we're doing, is we're making relatives. Like when we're in the lodge that day and you're shaking my hand, you're holding my hand, and you're.

That happened for a reason. And I was like, man, like, I needed that. I was. I was not about to let my nation down in that lodge, you know what I'm saying? And because of you, I felt different.

I felt good, I felt empowered. I felt ready to go. And that's. The lodge renews you. That grandfather's breath, that steam, Iya's blood, reunited with Iya and the whole.

Even the unknown things that I don't know about this ceremony, rebirth, the human being, that is the purpose of that ceremony. And it's just to have that in the same place as a future president, as President Kennedy, that was just beyond wild to me. I can't even. I just. There's certain moments in your life when you go through things and you just, you're just living through it.

And then maybe afterward, you have the objective capacity to kind of think about it and to, you know, see what it meant or something like that, to pay attention to it. And a lot of my life is just going through it. And then sometimes when I'm alone at night or if I'm alone driving, then I'll think of how certain things change the trajectory of my life. And that's really. It's powerful.

And I really appreciate how we all were able to go through that experience together. Yeah, there's some really mystical things that happen. You know, I think people can focus on what temperature it was, how long you're in there, how dark it was, and just like, the logistics of the experience, but there's something that you can't describe. It's ineffable, and it's different every time. No lodge is the same.

Aubrey Marcus
And I. You've spent many more, many more lodges than me, but no lodge is ever the same. In this particular lodge, the third door, which is oftentimes, you know, the hardest, although the second door in this time was, I think actually that was the, that was excruciating. And I was just so people know, it's not that I'm such a badass, that I was in real good shape when I grabbed your hand. I needed your hand, too.

I needed your hand real bad. And so we were both supporting each other. But I remember in the third, in the third door, and I'm telling this story because I want to open up the space for you to tell both your own mystical stories and some of the other mystical legends of things that defy explanation. So in this third door, you know, I was really, I was in a challenging kind of emotional time leading up to that summit. And part of the reason is I'm writing a book now that's about, it's about Witiko.

It's about what I call anti you. It's about this force that's, you know, beyond trickster. It's not Heyoka beyond Trickster. It actually has dark intent, malevolent intent, and is looking to actually negate our light and bring us into a ruinous state. And it's this force of resistance or part x or the biblical has different terms.

Satan, hasatan, or however you want to say it, but I just call it anti you. And I've been in this because I'm writing about it. It's been very palpable and present door three, I'm, you know, going through, and Porangi says, you know, it's healing round. Healing round. And I've heard it called different things.

Warrior round, healing round, be both. It's, it's a, it's, it's intense. There's a lot of whoever's pouring the water. Yeah, exactly. And I had, and I'm totally, you know, sober.

No psychedelics, no medicine. And I feel this shiny chrome, almost like a bullet shaped projectile that's in between one of the vertebrae in the back of my neck. And I'm like. And I just feel it there and I see it and I'm like, oh, shit, this is a problem. So I use my energy and my will and my intent.

And I pull it out of the back of my neck, and I'm holding it in my hand, but it's like a magnet that's pulling back towards my spine, and it wants to go back. And I have my left hand, so my left hand is raised up behind my head, and I'm holding and holding it, and I can't hold it back behind my head like that because it's too strong. So I move it to the front of my body. I pull it towards the front of my body, and then it's looking to go lodge itself back into my heart. And this whole vision is happening in the darkness there as the prayers and the songs are going.

And I'm like, all right, well, this isn't going to work. I got to do something with this. So with all my will, intent, and strength, push it into the ground, and I start saying prayers to the mother. I said, mama, help me. Like.

Like, help me take care of this, because I can't hold this. It's too strong. It's too strong for me. And I'm holding it in the earth, and my hand is on the grass, down on the earth, and I'm holding it in the earth, and then it's still there, though. Like, I was hoping the earth could start to decompose it, but it was.

The metal was from, like, almost like a different planet, like a different place. It wasn't organic, so the mother couldn't decompose it. And then as that was happening, I had this vision of all of these, like, ants and beetles and, like, stinging insects crawling up my arm, and it wasn't happening in real life. It was vision. And they came, and they started crawling in my ears and into my mouth and my nose and my eyes, and I knew it was like, this is just a vision.

Like, don't. Like, don't be afraid. Like, fear is the mind killer. Like, don't be afraid. Just stay, like, stay.

Stay with your focus. Stay with your intent. And then I called on Tata fuego. I called on the fire, and I said, like, the fire, fire, like, the fire of the mother come up and, like, melt this. And so the fire comes up from the earth and comes up from the center of the stones, and it melts this.

This kind of extraterrestrial metal that I put in the ground and melts it down, and it starts to, like, resin, it melts, and it starts to actually start to smoke, and I couldn't smell it or anything. Again, this is still in my vision, starts to smoke, and it makes this like, noxious black cloud. And I could feel the energy over this black cloud, and I was like, all right, we got to get this black cloud out of here. So I took a deep breath and, like, with all of my will and might, I just blew the breath with the intention that it would blow all the way out to the farthest reaches of the void, the farthest reaches of the whole universe, because only the whole universe in its entirety could hold that darkness and that, and that evil. And, you know, from that point, I've felt such a dramatic difference in my life in this battle.

It was almost like a critical point where that experience I had actually liberated me from a deep, deep challenge that I had been going through and was totally unexpected.

And this is what, what is possible when you just enter into a space that has that much healing and that much power. Like, you just, you never know what's going to happen. That sounds like a hero's journey. You were presented with an unknown. And sometimes there are many stories of, in our ceremonies where you're confronted with something challenging, and there are, there are bad doers out there.

Chase Iron Eyes
There are negative energies out there whose purpose it is to pull you away from your path and to entrap you in the senses and in your own understanding or your own ego. The mind is very powerful. The mind is, you know, the mind is not to be trusted at times. You know, you gotta hopefully that when you call on, like, that's why we have Lakota names, is because that is the name of the spirit that, that is working with me or with I, you know, I don't understand all of it, but I know to respect it. And when you're in those battles, you have to call on your powers and you're strong as a person, you're strong as a spirit, and we are capable, I used to think that I was capable of fighting Satan himself or whatever, put on my iron shirt and chased Satan out of earth, you know, like, like Lee Scratch Perry and that.

But there are strong things out there and, and sometimes they are otherworldly. They're, they're, uh, you know, we, we have, when you said that, it made me think of now we don't have creation or knowledge, but about ets and so forth, but we have, uh, I've asked medicine people about this, and all they tell me is that there are good ones just like us, and there are bad ones just like us, but there are also energies that work with that source, that negative source. And we have a certain name for them in Lakota and Ikdo is one of those energies. You know, Trickster is one way to. But it's more devious than that.

It's to cause misery and to revel in your misery, in the misery that we're creating. But there are others that have worked with that came. I don't know when they came about, but they have. Like, Ganeshki is another one, or iya the giant, which is kind of like this insatiable being that just eats it, can't get enough, and it'll eat everything. But all of these, you know, according to our knowledge.

I don't know. I can't say if crazy horse understood it like this or if sitting Bull understood it like this, that those were also within us as gods in a mythological sense, but probably, yeah. I mean, it seems like that to me right now. In our time, you know, we're in our time. They did what our ancestors, our grandfathers and grandmothers did what they could with what they had.

And now we're in our time, and we have to stand it. We have to. We have to empower ourselves. That's possible.

There are stories, there are things that defy things that have happened to me that defy kind of the physical understanding, like what your physics professor might understand and what they might teach.

Teleportation, I've not seen that, but I know people who have, who were there when these certain teleportation occurrences have happened. You know, miraculous healings. Some might call it faith based healing, or maybe an activation of the cells is occurring something beyond our understanding. That's why we use the drum and the voice, too. The drum and the voice are two very sacred powers that we have as human beings, because they can pierce corporal reality right in the world of waves and frequencies and vibrations, things that other beings are perceiving are not necessarily what we're perceiving as human beings.

We have a different capacity. But the voice is something. You sing an inappropriate song. The songs that we're singing in the lodge allow those veils to be pierced. And, you know, maybe something came for you or something, but it's not that I want to say that I believe.

Like, I know. You know what I mean? There's a belief that requires faith, and then there's like, oh, shit. I know. Yeah.

And we better equip ourselves. That's kind of how I see it. Yeah. You were telling a story of some kind of myths that involve crazy horse and a relationship he had with a special stone. And there's these stories of these things that defy our newtonian physics that exist.

Aubrey Marcus
You mentioned teleportations, and you mentioned, is there a personal story or even a story of crazy horse that is a little bit more specific about something that happened? Yeah, there's one story I know from my spiritual advisor right now. His father was running a particular ceremony. This man. His name is Vernal Cross, and he's no longer with us.

Chase Iron Eyes
He walked in power everlasting since 1997, according to the gregorian concept, doing a ceremony. And there was somebody in the ceremony that kept. Kept interrupting, saying, hey, vernal, I need to go bathroom. I need to go bathroom. And it's all dark.

You know, they're doing. They're performing a ceremony, a healing ceremony. And he must have got. His spirits. Must have got so annoyed or something that all of a sudden, he's outside the ceremony, and they didn't open the doors.

They didn't. Nothing. And this guy is completely composed in another space and time, or at least space. Yeah. And he's no longer in the ceremony.

I don't know how that's possible. I. And this. Now, that's. That's from personal anecdote, but from reading.

There is a met a holy man by the name of Dawson Hasno Horse. And, you know, apologies to any of his family. I don't mean to tell his story, but I read it in. I believe in a story about another. You gotta understand, since I was 16, I.

I read everything I could voraciously about my people, about who I am, because I began to think about it differently. I was working at Crazy Horse Mountain when this happened, and another great teacher, he's still with us, but I was a greeter there, and I saw this old man walking in and carrying a bunch of books and just carrying a bunch of things. And I was like, whoa. Lakota guy, native guy. I went over, helped him.

Helped him set up his whole booth. And he was selling books. He was selling his book called Matakuye Oyasi. Everything that is is my relative. And as a reward for helping him out, he gave me two books.

And then I read those. And then I went on to black elk speaks, and then I went on to this other one called Lamedir, Seeker of visions. And in there, this is a great man, John fire lame Deer, who my first teacher knew him personally. My first teacher being Sonny Richards, knew John fire lame deer. And chief Foolscrow, Frank Foolscrow.

And they, you know, they tell. Sonny would tell me different stories, but I read about this certain other story where they put. I believe they put. Dawson himself was on the hill. And then he said his helpers went up to see if he wanted to come down.

And on the hill means an envision quest or fasting ceremony. And he told them, just go back to the house and set everything up. Because when a ceremony happens, there's a certain way protocol, the way that the altar is set up. And so he told them what to do, go back and do this, this particular way and just start the ceremony. And so they did.

And they start the ceremony. And then Dawson is in that ceremony. Somehow it defies all logic and all understanding, you know, it really does. And so now I go through life and I enjoy being in, like, in the red pill world or in the blue pill world, I should say. You know what I mean?

Like when I'm just going around, I don't want to think that, hey, man, I might start levitating or, you know, certain things through telekinesis or other processes are just going to start happening because they do happen. They do happen, and weird things like that happen. Like not all the time, but enough for me to know that, hey, there's something else that is kind of assisting and around and you need to be aware of it. But there's, you know, there's probably our people are replete with absolute miracles. I mean, vine Deloria Junior, he wrote a book called the world we used to live in.

And that's all it does is explores not just the Lakota, but all native people who have credible sources speaking on miracles. I mean, crazy horse himself, now, he had like a bulletproof medicine, or, you know, we call it gopher medicine, certain dust that comes from a certain, certain animal. But his medicine person was a man named Chips, or horn chips. And because chips helped him out, they knew each other since they were little boys. The stones came to him when he was a little boy and assisted him throughout his life and told him if he followed these certain ways.

I'm not the authority on crazy horse. There's a man alive right now named Dicky moves Kemp. Richard move Kemp who? Richard moves Kemp is the grandson or great grandson of crazy horses medicine man. And so Dickie, you know, as he's known on the Pine Ridge, he lives in a town called wombly, just released a book two weeks ago.

They had like a book signing party for whatever knowledge he's authorized to share in that book. And I've not picked it up, I've not read it, but now I failed to go to the signing because it was, I don't know, it was cold out or something that day. But he had an event in Rapid City, South Dakota. These altars, these spiritual disciplines, they're still with us. And they're just below the surface.

You know, they're below the feathers and the leathers and the romanticized version of what European Americans or whatever the english speaking universe might think about native people. Those. I'm not saying those are bad. The feathers and leathers and regalias are good things. But there's another level that, and I'm not authorized to share this on behalf of the Sioux nation, but I feel, just from my experiences, we should be offering it to the world because it is a path.

It is the red road, and it is a path to what we call ton or understanding or enlightenment or a re spiritualized reality in metaphysics, which I believe the human spirit is yearning for that. But we haven't come together as a people and said, this person is going to be our Yogananda, who helps us spread the yogic or the vedic traditions or the Upanishads, that whole entire cosmology, which, again, I know enough to know that it's very serious, and it's a serious spiritual discipline. And obviously, they, some of them, maybe they went against tradition in bringing it to the west, so to speak, but it happened. And do I want to see that for our people, I want to see us respected. I want to see our knowledge systems on the same level as anything else, because it's definitely on that level, but it's perhaps even deeper, you know, carries even more substance.

And I don't say that in an ethnocentric way. I say that as a seeker like you, looking for and trying to avail myself of all these different traditions. And I don't jump in every one of them, but that's. That's just kind of the mark of a philosopher, somebody who's. I am willing to be challenged on my beliefs and what I think I know what I've been taught throughout my life, because then it's a real way, it's a true way that has stood up and our people have been just discarded and cast aside, as primitive, as savage, as uncivilized, as antithetical to progress and everything else.

We've been dehumanized, and we don't deserve to be dehumanized. But we have to teach, we have to share what we can, the depths of what we can, because that is how an evolution happens. And the state of human affairs is very, you know, tragic right now, very, very serious. We're hurting. All we know is war and consumerism.

And, you know, the myth of the end of the world is it's like they brought us to this spiritual dead end, to this nihilistic, you know, this place where there's no meaning. How are human beings supposed to find meaning and purpose in that world, in that linear, cartesian scientific supremacy? Again, all respect due to that, but that is only one way. That is only one truth. Yeah, and there's a lot more here.

Aubrey Marcus
It seems to me that it requires at first a great level of forgiveness that has to come to be willing to share the medicine because so much has been taken. And it's understandable. Those people say, you know, fuck you guys. You took everything. You didn't, you know, we were willing to share it right from the drop, but you just took it and you discarded it and you discarded us.

And so we're not going to share you our medicine and, you know, we don't want you in our lodges, we don't want you in our ceremonies. We don't want you to know our ways. But there's, with that attitude, we're all, as we're all relatives, we're all going to be headed towards a path of ruin. So it seems like people like yourself and Leonard Crowdog, who opened the Rainbow Lodge, opened it up to so many more people. Are these kind of messianic figures, these kind of mystic prophets that say, actually no, like, we forgive you, forgive them for they know not what they do.

We're going to share our medicine. You know, we're going to share are whether that's the, you know, the Quechua people who are sharing their ayahuasca traditions or whether it's the Lakota people who are sharing their nippy traditions or in their songs. And, you know, all of this, like, we all need this. We all need to find ways that we can reconnect to spirit and come together. Otherwise, the whole game is a wrap.

You know, like, the whole game is a wrap. And so, but it, but again, it requires that, like, in a deep bow to any native person who's willing to share that medicine because of how much has been taken. It's like that level of forgiveness is, it's almost christic in its nature. It's like, it's like being on the cross and saying, like, I forgive you and forgive, you know, forgive the people who've nailed my hands to the wood and my feet to the wood and put the crown of thorns on my head and like, I forgive you like that. That is a, it's a heroic act.

It's a heroic act of the heart. But it's. It's also necessary, in my view, for us to actually move forward together. We need all the medicines. We need all the medicine to gather to have a chance.

Chase Iron Eyes
The bad guys are winning right now. Yeah, they're. And it's because, you know, human beings are inclined. We're. We're inclined to spiritual liberation, but we're also very inclined to the easy route and sensory satisfaction and so forth.

And it puts our spiritual leaders in a very difficult position. You know, there's just allowing, quote unquote outsiders, non Lakota people, non native people, into ceremony is a huge issue in my world. In the Lakota world, we have a principle figure. He's like the pope. His name is Chief Orville looking horse.

And he's the 19th generation keeper of the sacred calf pipe, the chanupa, the peace pipe that was brought to us, to our people by the daughter of Shkah, by wope, or de saint, we call her, too. Sacred white buffalo calf pipe woman. You know, there's a whole story, a whole knowledge about how she brought us this sacred instrument, which is a. Wherever you're at, it's the Axis Mundi. It's the center of the universe.

You know, that's what that is. There's also a center of the universe in the black hills now called Black elk Peak. But this idea of sharing of ourselves is causing a lot of consternation and just deep, deep, deep thought and deep seated conundrums about, should we share? What do we share? What's appropriate to share?

And I, like I said, sometimes I'm out here walking along, and I'll do something that touches the nerve of my people, like at burning men in 2017, I went there for a global drum prayer, and I didn't think about any of what that really was. I didn't really know what burning man was. I just knew that I was on trial at the time, facing six years in prison because of standing rock, because of standing up to protect sacred water and defend indigenous sovereignty and Americans constitutional rights. Actually, tribal sovereignty is an untapped vehicle for defending and asserting our human sovereignty and american constitutional sovereignty as well. Anyway, somebody was there filming me, right when I'm in this, participating in a global drum prayer.

There's a bunch of other native people there, too. And there's a bunch of non native people, like 50. And they filmed us. There's a big drum, and somebody's. They're all hitting the drum, and they're all a bunch of non native people who are hitting the drum, and I'm there participating in what I'm.

You know, it's a global drum prayer. And I raise my hands to the sun because that's what we do when we're offering a prayer. You know, anytime you can offer your hands to the sun, it's like an energy, a portal, you know, especially when you have no shoes on and you're grounding as well, you know. So I did this. Somebody filmed me.

And then they start spreading rumors that iron eyes is selling ceremony at burning man and so forth. And it caused, like, a bunch of native websites, people that I knew were calling me out, you know, being online saying, why is iron eye selling ceremony at Burning man? Never happened. But it evidences this, that I. That.

That we still hold certain things to be sacred and that it touched a nerve. But I don't regret it. I feel like I want to bring as many people to this truth without proselytizing them, without trying to say my way is better than this, that way or the other, but just showing this is the flesh and blood that I was born into. And these are the traditions, these are the knowledge systems which sustain me today in 2024, which sustain our whole nation. Whoever chooses to walk that path, and it's a hard path, it requires sobriety.

It requires clarity. I mean, according to my teachers, there are other teachers who have incorporated cannabis, who have incorporated peyote, other sacramental herbs, psychedelics, and other teachers, plant teachers, other things that are much, much older than us. Plants and the standing silent, the standing sacred nations, much, much older than us. You know, it started with earth. And there's a whole system, right, of evolution.

You could call it that. So, like, when they say, hey, did you come from monkeys, or did you, or were you created by God? Those are not mutually exclusive. Like, we don't. We're not even challenged by that.

You know, we. We have our knowledge of how we got here. And the sacred is so ever present in our life and can actually intercede in our lives that we don't, we don't quite. We don't need to know where. How did we get here?

Why is that so? Why are we so hung up on that? Let's concentrate on the sacred realities that are available to us right now. And how do we inform our other institutions of politics and of, you know, jurisprudence or even our social institutions to reflect an elevated worldview? But I'll just say that, yes, there are some people, we're a complex people, the Lakota people in ourselves.

There are people over here who have nothing to do with the ancient knowledge systems and the rituals and ceremonial protocols and the Lakota language. They just, they've become something else. And then there are over people on this side over here who are. This is only for us. If you don't speak Lakota, you can't come to our ceremonies.

If you're not Lakota by your DNA or whatever, you can't come to our ceremonies. And I just wasn't. I wasn't raised like that. And I consider myself fortunate to be raised by universal thinkers. You know, I have Uncle Sonny to thank for that.

I'm nine years old meeting this guy, I don't know anything about anything. And he's just so gracious and patience and or patient. Only time I used to come to the medicine people is when I was in trouble. You know, I get in some kind of trouble, oh, man, I'm facing prison time. I'm facing jail time or I'm sick or I'm going out of my mind or, you know, then when I was in trouble, then I would show up, you know, knocking on these guys door thinking I was the only one.

Now that I work directly with medicine people, I realized what a pain in the ass I was. You know what I'm saying? But that's just, that's just my journey, and I really. We have something to offer the world and what we have to offer the world could use. Yeah.

Aubrey Marcus
Yeah. One of the things I was struck by is, you know, I've heard many Lakota songs in the lodge, and I don't know the songs myself. I know some of the things that I can kind of remember. And sometimes there's a call and response, which helps me, but there's a liberation that I heard, particularly in your voice. That was something that struck me even before we entered the lodge.

You guys had an opening song, and it was so powerful that actually all of the sheep on our farm came and moved towards the lodge and started bleating and singing with you in that moment. And it was what I interpreted as is there is a freeness. There's a freeness in the way that you sing or the way that you cry. And sometimes it's called crying because it's like a baby that's crying. There's no inhibition to the whales in the songs that are sung.

And it's not about are you on the right pitch or is it the right tone? But it's the absolute liberation of the voice. And in that liberation of the human voice, it's like God is listening. Great spirit is listening in that. And I was really, really struck by that, not only outside of the lodge, but also in the lodges.

When you sing, it's like you're singing like a free man, like a full, like a real, like a human, a human being in a liberated way. And I think we're so restricted in our dance and in our song by trying to make it sound good or trying to make our moves look right, but we're bound. We're in a prison of our own creation. And to even find that, even myself with my own voice, to find that is, I can only find it every once in a while, and I'll find something. Like that was true.

Chase Iron Eyes
Yes. Like, that was real. And I really appreciate and celebrate that about you. And it just shone through so strongly. In your character there, you know, ho ho, wa ka.

That's the voice, the sacred voice, loa, is to sing. And I feel that way that, you know, my teachers have taught me that the voice is that powerful. It is that sacred. Even the tongue can create and destroy, and that is the meaning of wa kah. It's not just sacred.

It's something more than that. But the voice has that power. The voice carries that. It's imbued with that divine authority. And those songs, I don't know how old those songs are.

We don't know how old those songs are. They're old, and they're given to us by source beings, sometimes other entities. Animals. Wamakashka is our word for animal. We don't have a.

We don't put ourselves there, and the animals are there. You know what I'm saying? We don't have a divine labor or property theory. Like, when I went to law school, I learned all this of how the western universe sees itself, you know, as if I can. I have dominion over everything.

So I'm always trying to bring everything under my dominion. If I'm a westerner, in many ways, I am a westerner. But the song and the voice is just as powerful as the drum. And the drum was also given to us through our own sacrifice, through our own suffering. All of our gifts and responsibilities have come to us because we were at the brink of extinction or at the brink of losing our way.

It's not like the Lakota. We're always the perfect beings. We go wayward. We have free will. We have self determination, just like the Mexico or the Aztecs or the people who were painting their pyramids and cutting down all the forests.

Human beings can lose their way. But the voice is something that is resonating. It is activating different vibrations and frequencies and waves and doing things that we don't. We can't fully understand. But it is real, and we feel it, and something is happening.

I didn't know that, but I knew that as soon as the people there had canupas and the people there had danced under Leonard Crow dog. And when Leonard's here, we call him. Even now, we call him chief of chiefs. He's a strong, strong man, you know? And he also picked up the way of the peyote, which was controversial at the time.

And it caused this evolution of our. If there's a Lakota fundamentalist way of viewing things, Leonard Crowdog was reaching outside of that, and thankfully, somebody had a chanupa there. When Porangi is performing earlier at the event, somehow there's a buffalo skull on the stage, bro. That was a moment for me because I'm sitting there, and I'm just vibing to everything that he's doing, and I'm appreciating it. I'm appreciating the voice, the drum, the sacred instruments, everything that's coming at me and is enveloping me.

And then I look up, and there's a buffalo skull staring right at me, and I'm like, what the heck? It just blew me away. And then at the lodge, the skull is there. The chanupas are there. The staffs are there.

You know, you had a. Your own staff was there. Yeah. That's the way to appoint it. That's the way to anoint ourselves.

Before we engage in that and we purify ourselves, we cleanse ourselves and the voice, we all have to learn our voice and even our dance, too. I don't dance enough. The only time I dance is at sundance. And those experiences, we cherish them forever. I knew I had to do that since I was a little boy, but I just avoided it because I was freaked out a little bit about the piercing aspect of it, but it's not even about.

It's not a show of toughness to pierce your skin. We're offering our blood in the same way that iya offered his blood to create the universe, so that it's an honor to be able to do that. Long time ago, not everybody was a Sundancer, and every single ceremony has so much depth to it that I would get lost trying to speak about those in depth. I mean, I could give a human attempt, but we would be much, much more well equipped with. And this is why I think I get on the medicine people's nerves because I'm always prodding at them, saying, hey, what about this?

What if we shared it this way? Do you guys want to do some recording? Can we do some video? Can we do some audio? Because all of the ethnographers and the different anthropologists and people that were coming around to study us during the time of the vanishing indian, that was a myth.

At the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries, they were just talking to our guys, and I mean, guys like, all the women were left out. You know, there's a whole women discipline that we have to figure out within our own people and at large too, as well. We have to figure that out. How do we deconstruct the oppressive nature of the aspects of our systems, of our thinking system? But now we have different technological capabilities and we need to be using those as tools.

So I wanted to gather spiritual leaders to talk about what is appropriate to share, what is appropriate to share about the sweat lodge, what is appropriate to share about Hambletya, the vision questing or fasting ceremony, the Sundance. There's other ceremonies. There's a woman coming of age ceremony, there's a grieving ceremony, there's a making of relatives ceremony, and then there's another that we just call throwing of the ball. And they all have different teachers who are alive right now, but our children are not learning them in any systematic way. And because a lot of us speak English now, I believe that we should be creating a little Lakota Hogwarts schools in places.

We got to do something because it's in peril, but it's still there. When you're saying we have been through a lot and it's a miracle that we're here. What's even more miraculous is we have what we had before Columbus got here still with us. It just went underground. It was illegal to be indian.

It was illegal to practice Inipi. We would have all got arrested if we would have done that ceremony prior to 1978. Wow. You know what I mean? There was a court of crim, or court of indian offenses where they outlawed all of our ceremonies.

They outlawed long hair, they outlawed being who we are. So all of that criminalization and that marginalization, systemic has passed on, and we're just now coming back into our power. You know, it's. If there was no power to your ceremonies and no power to your tradition and no power to these rituals and no power to your way, it would have never been outlawed. You know what I mean?

Aubrey Marcus
It's like there had to be. There had to be fear at the. At the root of it. At the root of it was. Was a deep fear.

And. And so when we're afraid of something and when we outlaw something and when we ban something and when we censor something, like the books that have been burned and banished, it's like they're burned and they're outlawed and they're banished because there's power there, and it's actually there that we should be looking. Whenever you see something like that, it's like they'll know there was a reason for that. And yes, the intent was, you know, malicious and malevolent, but it's also a clue. And the clue is, oh, no, there was something to be feared there.

Same with the people who were, you know, the witches, the, quote, witches that were burned and all of the, you know, the women who worked with the herbs and the plants and then the medicines. And why were these outlawed and banned? Is it because they didn't work? Nope. It's not because they didn't work.

You know, they were banned because they worked. And they were banned because there was power there. And I think, you know, this is a deep clue as we look to uncover, like, what are the things that have actively been suppressed? I make the joke all the time. The one thing that's never been censored is flat earth theory.

Why? Because there's no power there. It's bullshit. There's no power there. So nobody's gonna ban it.

Nobody cares. Talk about it all you want. Hey, make seven YouTube channels. You're never gonna get censored, you know, because there's nothing to fear there. But when there's something to fear there, and the fear comes from, there's a.

There's power in the way. There's. There's an order. There's an order that is. Is actively attempting to diminish our power and to keep us from seeking the truth, to get lost in our senses.

Chase Iron Eyes
And it is true. You're absolutely right. It's because the western mind, the rational mind, is conditioned to not. Why do you. Why do we fear the dark?

Why? You know, I remember thinking when somebody asked me about taking nature hikes, what the hell is that? We don't take nature hikes. We just go for a walk. You know what I mean?

Like, we're already in that state of frame of mind, but we don't need to assert dominion over nature. It's not us who are damming up all the rivers. We created certain traps and certain things. There was a. We have a civilization, but the things that we've been conditioned to do.

And I don't want to say white people. I don't want to say Americans. It's something bigger than that. You know what I mean? White people was never a reality.

There was no white people 400 years ago. And then white people were invented at the same time as currency was invented, you know, and there's this racialization that has taken place. The Indian. Indian is not a real term. There's no such thing as Indians or blacks, you know what I mean?

Like. But those are labels that have been given a violent institutional reality. I'm not saying there ain't racism, you know what I'm saying? But we've got to do everything we can because they are trying to extinguish a fire. And we present the only challenge to that next 1000 years of a secular, nihilistic, consumer based extractive order.

Add all those things together of whatever is in front of us and whatever we've inherited, you know, institutionally and economically, politically, everything, everything that is. That is imposed on us that we just kind of are born into and we participate in that process. I remember when the kids were little and every time it was some corporate driven holiday and my wife just calls me cheap for this, but when it's Christmas and I go in and I got to buy the gifts, and I look down the same hallway of any department store in America, and there's just endless rows of petrochemical, substance based things to buy every time, you know what I mean? And there is an order here that indigenous nations and those who are seeking a sacred relationship with themselves and with the elemental and universal powers, that's the only thing threatening that order. You know, if I'm the CEO or if I'm.

If I own majority shares in some corporate extractive company, then I want extract and should be got to be happening. You know, it's got to be a profit in order for me to live my life. I want endless war. I want to lend money to this side of the war and that side of the war, and I want to sell armaments to this side and that side. So the spiritual liberation that we are walking with is very serious, but we have to come at it in a peaceful way.

And I say it like that because our people have tried the other way. In the 1970s, my father, his brothers, his cousins, they took up arms and they were in a 71 day siege on Pine Ridge. Wounded knee two is the incident. And the federal government instigated a whole conflict there, you know, exploiting our insecurities and our differences and assimilationist versus traditional. And Leonard Peltier is still a political prisoner from that time.

Leonard Peltier has been locked up longer than I've been alive, you know, and I'm 46 years old. Leonard Peltier is in Coleman, too, right, in Florida right now for, for what happened, for what we represent, you know, and it's very tragic that two FBI agents were killed that day, you know, Ron Williams and Jack Kohler. And they were, they were, they were killed on land, the jumping bowl property where my dad lived, you know, and all of my, all my relatives, all my uncles and so forth. But anyway, that's another long story. Leonard was not able to present the same defense that two of his co defendants were able to present evidence that the United States had orchestrated this.

The FBI, DOJ, us marshals, whatever, was the intelligentsia of the time. Now, this is the same intelligentsia that got Bobby's dad and his brother. You know, that's serious. We're just serious business here anyway.

We have to continue, though, because what we have is true, and what we have has to be defended if we hope to be human beings. Yeah, there's, I believe it's a Lakota saying, and forgive my pronunciation, but it's attributed to crazy horse, but I'm sure it's much older than that, and it's naked.

Aubrey Marcus
And the translation that I've heard is, I'm ready for whatever's next, which is something that Bobby said to me in a different way, which was, I asked him if he was afraid that he might be killed like his father and his uncle was. And he said to me, there are worse things than death. Which is another way to say nake nula waon, like, hoka. And I was like, the same, this. Man say, nake nu la wa.

Chase Iron Eyes
Let the record reflect, you know. Yes, absolutely. Hokage is another one, that crazy horse. And all of our people, you know, we glorify warriors, we really do. And, but our, we were defending ourselves from aggression and impositions and intrusions.

And now America knows that, hey, the Indians, they were done wrong. They were just trying to protect their own homelands and their own way of life. But where? It means anytime, anywhere, any place or wherever I go, I live my life. And it's the same ethos as it is a good day to die.

We don't mean that in some fatalistic way. We mean that we are ready. We're doing all we can to do what's righteous and to follow that path. And we're willing to assert what's positive and what's righteous, and we're willing to defend that which is sacred, which is righteous from intrusion. And that is the meaning of, it's a good day to die.

It doesn't mean, let's go die today. Right? I want to wake up tomorrow, too. You know what I'm saying? Totally, totally.

But that's what it encompasses. It tries to encompass that ethos that guides us, and it still does, man. When you said that there are still Tokala, that is the motto. Just like the marines have. Semper Phi, the Tokala okola kichie.

There on, in the Sioux nation, we say nake nuala wa. That's what that means. And it's something that guides us. And there, I mean, I hope they hear it back home, because there are people who are Tokala, who are still that same society, those same staffs and those same instruments that had to go underground because it was, you know, it wasn't always cool to be indian. It wasn't always.

You couldn't just claim that. You couldn't say that, hey, yeah, I'm descended from crazy horse or sitting bull. People be trying to kill you, you know. Right? 1877, when Crazy Horse was assassinated at Fort Robinson, and then sitting Bull's 1890.

And there are many others. There are many others, but these are figures that have transcended, you know, pop culture, especially sitting Bull, crazy horse, too. But if you told people that those were your relatives, I mean, we were changing our names because they were being hunted after that, because they. Not only did they represent in flesh and blood a threat to that oncoming colonial order, but they had bundles. They have sacred things, sacred instruments that.

That are beyond all knowing and naming and so forth, that give the human spirit a certain authority, that there are worse things than death that lead to nake Nu Lu wa. It seems like for the hero, they have to pass a crucible where they recognize that their own life, the life of their ego identity, this name that we carry for a temporary amount of time, is less significant than the carrying forward of life itself, life with a capital l, and that we're always connected to life and that we'll always remember. And the deeds of our life will be remembered far more than the length of our life. And there's this point where you realize, oh, yeah, there's something more important than just mere survival at all costs, safety at all cost. And that doesn't mean that you have to take up arms as a warrior in that way.

Aubrey Marcus
It just means that you're willing to stand no matter what, for all of life. There's something that I like to say, which is my own motto. If I had my own semper phi, it was, it's all in, for all life. It's all in, for all life. And, you know, in my better moments, I remember that.

And. And that gives me all of the courage that I need. If I'm worried about. Maybe I should say this, maybe I shouldn't say this. Maybe people will unfollow me, whatever.

Whatever thing will happen. It's like, well, my priorities are out of. Out of alignment. Because if I really stand for all life, then I have to make a stand. It's so hard.

Chase Iron Eyes
It's not easy. Integrity is not easy. I'm not.

How can I? You know, it is very difficult to walk on a sharp edge. It's very difficult. And I'm no expert or role model. I'm only a human being too.

You know what I mean? And then we're just doing our best. We're just trying to inform and really make our children proud of us, really make our people proud of us, make our creator happy and pleased with what we do. And in this system that we are born into, it's like being born into a war, especially when you're native. Like the indian wars really never ended, but now it's for everyone.

Russell means said, welcome to the reservation. He's speaking to all Americans. Because the corporate extractive complex that determines our energy policy, our foreign policy, and whether or not we can catch rainwater, what kind of crops we can grow, what kind of sacraments you can avail yourself of. You know what I mean? There's a system of law and order, and we're for law and order.

But the law and order that has been handed down protects capital and property of those who own capital and property. And at one time, a lot of us were property. You know what I mean? We're barely just now coming out of that.

It reminds me of Standing Rock. I tried my hardest not to get arrested up there because I worked so hard to become a lawyer, right? To achieve something in the western world where I thought there was respect there. And there is. There is.

I'm not trying to say that being that achieving academic success and any modicum of success in the western world, whether that's whatever it is, money, respect, prestige, whatever it is, those are important things. Those are important drivers. But when stanning Rock came around, it was the powers of creation compelling me to take a stand. And I tried so hard not to get arrested. Also because of the militants and the activism and the liberation politics that my family propagates or participates in.

My mom, she's like, she's the most militant person I know. She is crazy and she's tough. She's 80 years old and she was at Standing Rock. She was at the front line. She was there any day.

The cops could have came and raided wherever she was at, but she wanted to be there. So sometimes, yes, we are called to sacrifice ourselves, to offer ourselves in that respect, in that geopolitical respect. Yes, we were there, but we were also there on behalf of the water. And even in our ceremonies. In your life, you know, you think back, there's certain moments where you are offering yourself, you don't know how this thing is going to turn out.

You go into the lodge, you don't know what's going to happen. You go up on the hill, that is a literal offering of yourself. You don't know if you're going to return from that. There have been people who've been taken from there, and that is an understanding that you have with offering yourself. But in order to grow from that, I don't want to say that you possess something that comes from that, but you put yourself through that.

And any ritualistic society over the ages, like in the sundance, you come out a different person. You're not the same person that went in there. There's a ritual graduation, and we're all going to be. We're all called to that in our lives, every human being. But it's easier to not answer that.

And you can not answer that. You can just chill, you know, with the status quo. But some of us don't have a choice, and some of us are making the right choice. A lot of times I feel like I don't have a choice, but. But we get there.

Aubrey Marcus
Yeah, it's a. It's the choiceless choice. When you open your eyes and you see, you know, my brother, this has been such a pleasure, man. Man, thanks for taking it. It's been awesome.

Chase Iron Eyes
I can't even believe it. I'm sitting here with Aubrey Marcus, you know what I mean? And it's so good. It's so meaningful. We need to come together.

We need to share our strengths and our powers and our compassion, our love, what undergirds all that. I'm standing up to this or that. It's because we love. That's right. That's right.

Aubrey Marcus
And we're not going to stop.

Chase Iron Eyes
My brother. Thank you very much, lila. Wopila. Trunka chi chapilo.

Aubrey Marcus
Thank you. Everybody. We love you. We'll see you next week. Thanks for tuning into this podcast everyone.

If you liked it, please share the word. This is such an important message at this time. I appreciate you all so much. Chase appreciates you all so much. To all our relations.

We love you. Goodbye.

The Sacred Cosmology & Forgotten Wisdom Of The Lakota w/ Chase Iron Eyes # 464

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